Arrows - Avanti S - 50mm EDF Jet - Maiden Flights - 4S + 3S
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#rc #airplane #avanti
I just added rudders to both of my Vipers and I have to say the flight experience is so much better. I have to wonder why they don't install stock rudders on these. I'd be willing to pay an extra $12 for the servo and linkage! Maybe they'll listen and start adding them.
what's the difference with the Arrows Viper 50? They both look pretty much the same.
Winglets and paint...
Same size, same edf..
Just a minor difference in cosmetics..
@redwineisfine This one is bigger and that's part of the issue ;)
They're similar, but different models.
@BrianPhillipsRC BAE-Hawk and viper 50mm are great flyers.. the Avanti is bigger? Heavier?
Smh..
Brian, I hate to disagree with you....but. I got my avanti last week after i had seen this video and expected to need to add a rudder. My reality was totally different from yours. I flew this with a 4s 1500 and with 100 percent throws with 25 percent expo, and it was amazing. Easiest jet i have ever flown. Very fast roll rate, super stable and the widest flight envelope i have ever seen. I have 50 planes including many edfs from 50mm to 80mm, and this is the first that i can confidently fly on circuits round my field at 6 foot of the ground. It turns at very slow speeds without a hint of a stall...and shoots around doing very tight turns at full throttle. To be honest it needs a rudder like i need an extra butt hole. This litle plane blew me away. Love your channel, andy in uk.
You need a second butt hole??? Sounds like a personal problem - LOL ;)
Guess I'm just recently spoiled by the 70mm Avanti S
Of all of the awesome RC knowledge I've gleaned from BPRC, I think the lesson in this video (this plane will drive you to drink by the 4th or 5th flight) is my current favorite 👍
Very nice ;) LOL
I thought only the Hot Rod Lincoln could do that....
Brian, do you still feel that a 4S battery is a good and safe option for the Arrows 50mm EDF's? Thank you. Doug Coates, Bristol, Rhode Island.
Got a Avanti and i think my one is lethargic on 3s . Will 4s perk it up without blowing the esc? Also will you be reviewing the new 50mm Mb-339 from bh?
Good review I like my e-flite habu 50mm way over 50 flights and no issues😀✈✈🛬🛫🪂👍👍
It is a GREAT PLANE! bprc.me/Habu
Brian,
At first, I really enjoy watching you on RC airplanes, Sailplanes and jets. You’re in great position, but not your helicopters except your OMP M4 and that was very great job you did and I am sorry if I offended you on gps or self leveling helicopters.
I asked my fellow member who know so much on Spektrum receiver for safe and self leveling. I asked him to remove all of that and asked him to change panic self leveling and that’s really fits me as a glove.
As for self leveling and safe, I cannot control my helicopter as before and it is terrible way to get it responsive very quickly enough. I’m being honest with you. I preferred panic self leveling no safe.
Keep practicing on your simulator and you’ll thank me a lot by giving me a gift OMP M4 kit with servos and ESC.
I wasn't so much offended, as trying to communicate in a way that was clear. I appreciate what you're saying, and what you said (on that comment a few days ago)...it's just that my personal journey through RC is not going to be FULLY controlled by you, or anyone else...this is up to me. I hope this position makes sense, without sounding incendiary. I certainly don't think you meant for your comments to be received that way either. It's just that I love this hobby, and have learned to actually appreciate the process of learning, even though I would have wanted to just start out being "REALLY GOOD" at first when I got back into RC planes 9ish years ago...now I kinda enjoy the challenge ;) Also, it keeps me grounded (no pun intended), and helps me to remember just how HARD it can be for new pilots to learn.
Anyway, I think our last interaction might have been an example of how NOT to communicate with one another...since it was a bit too easy to misunderstand one another...but either way, we really appreciate you, and glad you're here with us. This whole channel is about getting people into the hobby, and BACK into the hobby, and how to find success without going totally broke to try and do it. When we started the channel, we were just filming my journey, and we still do that to a certain extent, but part of the fun for our "regulars" is to continue to see that as we've somewhat changed gears into helping more people FIGURE OUT HOW to do what I did 9ish years ago. I suspect that this change has left a few regulars a bit bored, and I couldn't blame them, but we still love flying, and love flying new stuff too ;)
Thanks for being here!
I just enjoy the long build and fly times on the built planes ✈️
Nice!
I've done rudders on pretty much every 64mm jet I own. This one being smaller I would honestly try using one of those micro linear servos to keep the weight down and cut a rudder into this one.
Ive had rotten luck with linear servos, a grain of sand in the gears an They strip.
Agreed, gotta mod flaps in aswell,, LoL!
That would be easy, but the thickness will allow an Emax 13 gram MG, so I'd just want to keep it cheap ;)
jono - it's not so bad if you keep them BELOW 97-98% throws...it's when they get into the end of stroke, and "over-run" the mechanism, that we have this issue...and dirty resistive pot elements, under the sweepers...the fingers can get BENT...causing a crazy chattttttttttter ;) - also fixable, but what a PIA, no doubt
@@BrianPhillipsRCdid you manage to mod it? I'd like to see that haha. I was about to pull the trigger for the 50mm Viper, but found out about the EDF access hatch on this Avanti. I thought the only difference between them was that hatch, so I decided on getting the Avanti... until I watched this video. I was planning on eventually adding a rudder to the Viper anyway, but I couldnt find detailed videos on that process for either plane. So what would be better? A modded 50mm Viper or a modded 50mm Avanti?
Always Awesome and truthful info from my favorite RC pilot Brian Phillips !
Thanks Johnny ;)
you dont need a rudder for something so small - please
Love your honesty brother man. We could use some of that Iowa honesty round here. Thanks Megan! Best camera crew ever
Any time! Thanks!
Had to change my esc to a 40amp for 4s set-up.
Hands down, Arrows makes the best 50mm edfs.. no comparison from the eflite trash...
Habu 50mm ......trash
F14 twin 40mm.. trash
Sr71 twin 40mm ... trash
Arrows viper, BAE-Hawk and Avanti 50mm.. best in class..
Have hundreds of flights on my Arrows viper and finally need to replace the fan blade from touch and go picking up rocks and sand on the blades
Also, the aileron servo covers glued under the air intakes make landing on concrete or pavement better for the fuselage..
I would have liked to see you do a rudder modification. How does this compare to the Arrows Viper 50mm?
It's bigger. I did speak to my concern about the rudder mod. Maybe for a "Second Thoughts" - since this plane screams - GIVE ME A RUDDER ;) We even linked to a couple rudder options, which we could have, but usually don't have to do on these 50mm Arrows offerings. I like the plane, and I think most would, but why is it such a huge ask at this price point??? I don't get it. Would like to see it incorporated in ALL these 50's - unless they're the rudders that just ROLL the plane, which can, and does happen on some models. Also, sometimes with TWIN rudders, it can be pretty complex, and cause a lot more engineering and cost, so I kinda get that on twin tail planes, but this is most definitely not twin tailed ;)
Okay, just yelled out about your comment to Megan, and I said - heck, I wanted to see the rudder mod - LOL ;) Maybe I'll just have to do it and publish another video. I bet this plane would be other worldly with that $10 mod (and for the record, $10, might be a bit too high cost, since we linked to one that was maybe $8ish out the door from hz com)
Bank and Yank brother😅
Yup a small servo and a clear plastic rudder will work .
Yeah, but I'd just cut it in...would be super easy. I may just have to do it ;)
Hi brian. I live in uk and watched this video just AFTER i had ordered this plane from ali express. Just a quick question. I have the arrows 50mm viper which is rated 3s , but i fly on 4s with no issue, so ii am giong to try the same with this little avant. My question is this, the viper has no rudder, but flies very well as a bank and yank. I know you had a good experience with the viper, so how much different is this plane, which you seem to find harder ro fly. Bearing in mind they are both 50mm hand launch from arrows, have they produced a worse flying plane than previously. Andy in uk.
I agree on your battery discussion. But i would take that one step further and say Don't waste your time with 3s on any plane My modo is if it will take 3s 4s will be wayyy better. Thanks Brian.
yeah, but the specs DON'T say it will take it, I just cram it in there, knowing from past experience, the thing probably won't catch on fire ;) ;) :) :| - LOL
Ya me to.. that's with any plane I guess I have more money than sence. If the esc beeps me thru its going up. Ya and that no fire thing. I have and a few smoke the motor in the air at 200 miles a hour but hey its all part of the fun.. lol
Easiest hand launch ever wow, this is a perfect park flyer.
It was easy for sure!
For 20 more dollars, you get a 64mm, 4s plane with flaps and rudder! from FMS!! Why are rudderless planes still in production? Or even the HABU 50mm has a rudder. Hard no to anything without a rudder. Great flying Brian!!
ALSO note to buyers: everything is on backorder!! the important parts!
What planes are you quoting... there ARE some that are gonna be only a little bit more, but not $20 - sorry. This one is only going for like $160 (at the moment), and to get up to the next step, there's quite a laundry list of other features missing...retracts, flaps, led's, 6S capability - BUT for about DOUBLE the price, and a bit more for the Rx too, provided you have 6S batteries already, you can be in the 70mm and have a GREAT experience!
For $30 more, you can get the Futura 64, but that's NOTHING like the 80mm... I just think this plane BEST compares to it's exact big sister, the 70mm, and both are good...just ~$10+15 more and half a days effort, you can HAVE rudder, then this plane is a good value...I just think it's ridiculous, like you said, WHY NO RUDDER OUT OF THE BOX!??!! The MFG's need to get this resolved. Bank and yank is only okay on certain air frames.
@@BrianPhillipsRC I was referencing the 64mm Futura, Some reason i thought it was $20 more with all the extra features anyone would want besides retracts. (I picked up the Futura for $169 after code and CS rebate for damaged wing(like yours))
100% the MFG's need to resolve the no rudder issue. Its the same with HH latest 50mm release. I will never buy a plane without a rudder again, its just so important. The day of Bank and Yank should of died back long ago. New people coming into the hobby like me will buy probably only one plane that is rudderless and learn their lesson quickly. No rudder is a HUGE loss in FUN!
Thanks for the Demo and always great Content! You are my Go too on initial set-up, then I adjust settings as needed.
How much of a pain would it be too maintain your land without a tractor mower? Pays to be a Farmer with all the tools needed!
Do you happen to have a video on how to set up buddy box: everything needed and radio set-up
Note: I have the 70mm HH Viper on pre-order and soldered a cable to make two 3s into a 6s(thank you for the idea)
just noticed the electricity pole and lines are gone. great videos!
Yes they are! We had them relocated a while ago now, and some BIGGGG changes coming in about a week. Equipment is arriving late this week, in fact. Permits are getting submitted TODAY. Pond is on the way!!!
you said has a 30amps esc, then did you do a amps draw with the meter on 4s? Did you check the temp of the motor on 4S?
No, never have, and don't care to waste the time - catching this thing on fire would be WAY cooler ;)
...but to be honest, I don't have an current meter that would be a good fit inside this plane...the one I have is bulky, and I haven't used it, even a static test for years. These Arrows planes generally do fine on 4S, but if you want to fly her on 3S, this plane is weak and regrettably lame...I'd just say, "pass" if I were to keep her on 3S. Adding Rudder to a 3S MIGHT help, but it's still just not enough for a "fast" jet. She flies, no doubt, but I wouldn't encourage anyone to get this if they plan to fly it on 3S.
So yeah, if you do test it, please do share.
@@BrianPhillipsRC yup you are correct for the price, it is what it is, Nice review.
@@BrianPhillipsRC Not the same but I am guessing the same motor & esc. My Viper is 28 amps WOT on 3S. 36 amps on 4S. I am running on 4S.
Hey Brian you should review the Banana Hobbies Wildcat F4F it's been out for years but it's different in a good way ,it's unique and flies well .
Banana hobbies dont make an F4F. Do Banana Hobbies make any planes?
Yeah, Banana won't return our emails. I stopped trying to get them to respond. If you can get them to send an email, we'd be willing to work with them too ;)
@markmcc21 - yeah, I think Rafael know that...he's just saying they sell it - slip of the keyboard ;) Banana is just a distributor, kinda like Horizon Hobby is just a large distributor, but HH owns their own brands.
The user manual says 3s 11.1v?
yeah, I'm pretty sure we mentioned that. This is a 3S power system, that will run on 4S all day long, at least in OUR experience. Keep in mind, we're NOT in a desert.
She'll fly on 3S no doubt, but when you taste 4S, you'll quickly loose any desire to go back to 3S
I like the viper 50 better.
I can't say I disagree.
Just got mine. I put rudder on it. Flew it a couple times without rudder and a couple times with rudder. DEFINITELY better with rudder. Flys just like it’s big brother
How did you add a rudder?
Added a servo in the battery bay, added a pushrod and sleeve, added a control horn to the rudder, plugged in the servo to the rudder port and waalaa rudder was born
Yeah first one to like it
Screw you, you lucky bastard 😂