I'm from Idaho and sometimes you can loose cell coverage due to weather and the mountains. I live in the Treasure Valley and we have mountains on 3 sides and you will loose coverage crossing them. You will even looose Am and FM radio stations. The entire state used to have only 1 area code until a few years ago. I'm still adjusting to having to put an area code in when making a local call. It definitely makes it harder to relie on technology. That's why a lot of people I know will give which route they are traveling to someone before we travel through those areas.
So glad you are covering this Andrea! Found you through Johnny V Amber case and loved you ever since! No exaggeration, just facts and it’s what we need. Keep up the good work ❤
Great Video... As a former former telecommunications employee that handled that sort of data and court orders, I must say it really had a good balance of technical info as well as contect explanation 😊
This analysis helps stop comments presuming a truckload that pre-empts due process. I found myself characterising the suspect's eyes as 'hypnotised' from just about every photo and video of the guy, the sense you also get from a hypnotic subject that the front of the brain has been bypassed for direct access to the unconscious that you could see on eye contact. But then every photo and video is showing a suspect stopped by traffic cops or under arrest or escorted past the media to court...where a deer caught in headlights is a typical look. I can;t recall the famous writer who said, whenever he was stopped by cops, he felt guilty even without specificity, and this was so normal for many drivers that some are known to panic and accelerate away from cops for no earthly reason. So AB's systematic analysis restores logic and rationality to quite a few internet lynch mobs that prefer to rush to judgment so that their brains can head off any ambiguity and stop thinking. More reflection has wondered how DNA has been reduced to one speck on a knife sheath, which sounds very on the nose if not found anywhere else...no one knows how much supporting evidence has been held back, so ppl presume this extra evidence exists. Some reflection has wondered about a 4 a.m. house call at the time of the murders, but no one seems to know who that was. Some reflection wonders how 4 fatal stabbings by one murderer could happen so fast with relatively minimal sounds and struggle and, seemingly, no blood on the suspect noticed by an eyewitness when surely he'd be covered in blood. Some cited the suspect's psychologically troubled forum postings from years ago, but I don''t know how authentic those are or how relevant. No one has offered any motivation from the suspect. 'Probable cause' does not seem to mean probable cause, legally. The affidavit doesn't address motivation. 'Cause' seems to refer to cause for prosecution? citing the evidence as probably incriminating the suspect as guilty, not the 'cause' of why he did it. This trial looks like it will be a very slow process, so we might get a piece-by-piece instruction of how a case is put together by coordinating evidence until what's circumstantial seems beyond coincidence.
OMG this!! When former FBI agent Jennifer C tweeted the PCA, I asked her how the ping that didn’t belong to Bryan’s phone could be explained. She didn’t reply, but a lot of her followers did, referring to GPS data. I didn’t bother to engage with them. Thanks for this! I’ve been waiting for someone to address it.
@@parisnchristlove if you have your location on, google can give you a timeline of all the paces you’ve been with your phone, I lost my phone walking my dog and managed to see where the person who found it had taken it. You can turn these features off, I certainly would if I was about to commit a crime.
What do u mean didn’t belong to his phone? U mean when it pinged but they don’t think he was in moscow? Most likely his cell did connect to the moscow tower but he wasn’t seen on surveillance in the area of the home. It’s that simple. If u at all understand cell towers u get it. I think there is a lot this woman is missing, or at least not putting 2 n 2 together.
Thanks Michelle! It may very well end up having a reasonable explanation, but based on the information they've put out so far, it's still a discrepancy the State will need to be prepared to explain. 🐟🐟🐟
A technical extra on triangulation and how it applies here: with a single tower you have an enormous circle of "where the cell can be". With 2 towers you will see a line shape of "where the cell can be". At 3 towers you finally drop this to a small circle plus instrumental error (from experience with making trackers), precision's at about 5-10 meters to any side in the open. Being inside buildings mostly shows on those calculations as jitter, an oscillation of where it seems to be. Most reconstruction algorithms (and thus software) can account for that, but it gets less precise and if you erroneously apply it that error increases sensibly. Enough to argue a case if the specialist screws up.
Of course! A good visual on what you can expect from this kind of triangulation is a venn diagram, with each tower being the center of the circles and the intersection being where the phone might be. If they can also know the strength of the signal, or if there are more towers (especially if they are far away from each other at opposite sides of the phone) it can be quite precise. Not as good as gps but enough to get the address down to a road.
@@synapse0 Thanks. This is a huge area of debate right now, and I definitely don’t have your expertise. It’s extremely helpful and will be to a lot of people.It appears there are four cell towers in Moscow, Idaho.
Biggest issue is he was in the area at strange times late at night early morning. Also the phone turned off then back on at perfect time frame. He’s screwed.
Just want to add that you can have more than three towers and that helps increase precision (reduce location error). I have seen people assume that you only have three towers but, in reality, phones query (different than connecting) to a lot more towers for connection. It is just that three is the minimum amount for triangulation. In places with lots of towers densely packed, a phone can query dozens.
Omg! Where have you been!!?? So glad I found you! This was so informative and articulated in an easy way to understand on topics that can be so confusing! Thank you!
Fantastic legal analysis again, Andrea!! Most people just hear that the phone connected to a tower, but don't understand the actual way that phones connects and how location can be decided!! Awesome!!👍👏👏🙏💯💯
Great information. If he is allegedly guilty, I hope there's a lot more data/evidence than what is in the affidavit. Appreciate your non-biased coverage.
Someone as smart as him would not make such stupid mistakes. He makes a good patsy, n he was obviously set up. The case looks too suspiciously like many other cases of serial killers or mass murders, where patsies are used. See Programmed to Kill by David McGowan and The Phoenix Program and The CIA as Organized Crime by Douglas Valentine and see also Russ Dizdar. Of course, this will be rejected outright bcz it's a claim of conspiracy, n, as we all know, there are no conspiracies bcz the fascistic, criminally insane CIA, which has a long and sordid history of conspiracies, says there aren't. it's abnormal extraverts who are anti-social, bcz they lack inhibitions and sensibilities, n there are no intraverted symptoms in anti-social personality/sociopathy/psychopathy--they are externalizing disorders, introverts have internalizing disorders.
I love how you do your analysis and presentation. You do your deep dives, get the facts, break it all down and then give it to us in an easily understandable way. You make us think, see all sides and keep us on the edge of our seats waiting for more.
I was wondering about the pinging. Pullman doesn't have nearly as much shopping, entertainment, or activity as Moscow does, so the fact that Kohberger was "in the area" twelve times didn't seem too alarming to me. They are only about 9.5 miles apart. I just came back from visiting my daughter in Pullman and, even running errands in Pullman, we were within 10 to 5 miles from Moscow at all times. Thank you so much for detailing this so well!!!
@@andreacarter8202 I don't mean just the day of the murder, (although there is some speculation that he may have turned his phone off), I meant the 11 or so other times that law enforcement said that his phone pined in the area.
I always learn something new from these videos of yours, Andrea. We here in the east rarely have to worry about lack of cell service (unless you're in the mountains). Thanks for another great video. You always leave me wanting to know more!
Thanks for the lucid analysis Andrea. Ping data alone cannot be dispositive of specific location. Such data clearly seems more prejudicial than probative.
I did see on one channel that at some of the previous visits he was close enough to the house that his phone linked to their Wi-Fi. That may be more important than the cellular Tower data
@benjamuniverse Not ALL homes have passwords on their GUEST wi fi. I didn’t for years and I know many people who do not. A large college party house probably would NOT!
If the reporting is accurate, that would establish he was at the location. Considering the street has been described as, "not a pass through location," that would be pretty damning.
@@BenjamUniverse The phone doesn't need to be connected to their wi-fi, but router data can show which phones were within its radius. If true here, more significant than triangulated tower data.
My husband and I were watching together and when you mentioned the cell coverage between Walla Walla and Clarkston, we both said "Yup!" 🤣🤣🤣 We lived in Walla Walla for 15 years. That part of the US has a whole lot of empty space between the towns. 💕
Your illustration of the Moscow/Pullman area is helpful to see how cell tower service might not be a strong piece of evidence for the prosecution. It is good to know that there are rules courts use to allow expert testimony. I will be interested to hear your dive into DNA evidence & the knife sheath. Thanks.
@@aburkhartlaw Someone as smart as him would not make such stupid mistakes. He makes a good patsy, n he was obviously set up. The case looks too suspiciously like many other cases of serial killers or mass murders, where patsies are used. See Programmed to Kill by David McGowan and The Phoenix Program and The CIA as Organized Crime by Douglas Valentine and see also Russ Dizdar. Of course, this will be rejected outright bcz it's a claim of conspiracy, n, as we all know, there are no conspiracies bcz the fascistic, criminally insane CIA, which has a long and sordid history of conspiracies, says there aren't. it's abnormal extraverts who are anti-social, bcz they lack inhibitions and sensibilities, n there are no intraverted symptoms in anti-social personality/sociopathy/psychopathy--they are externalizing disorders, introverts have internalizing disorders.
I just really hope they have a lot more evidence tha they are sharing at the moment. Because currently, it seems the case is pretty weak for a conviction. The knife sheath is interesting: It doesn't fill the trifecta of evidence they teach when studying forensics. Basically, they have his DNA on the sheath, and they have the sheath at the crime scene, but the sheath isn't a fixture in the home, it's mobile, so that doesn't mean he had to be there at the same time as the sheath. The DNA on the sheath being in only that one specific spot could also mean it was deliberately planted, just as easily as it can be attributed to the suspect cleaning it off and missing that spot for some reason, it could just as easily have been done on purpose by someone setting BK up. Because, as I mentioned above, that sheath is a mobile item, someone could have stolen the knife from him or it might not be his knife, some one might have shown him their knife, etc. I would think any good defense lawyer should be able to successfully sow enough doubt and pick holes in it. Complete the trifecta you have to physically place him there, either with DNA evidence under victims fingernails, his DNA or prints on fixtures directly in the scene (eg a blood spatter with his fingerprint in, his DNA/blood on something fixed like the headboard of the bed, or a door handle leading out of the room etc), or something from the crime on him (eg blood spatter on his clothes). While they do also have the shoe print, I have my concerns about that too. Idk if I believe he's guilty just based off the evidence we've seen. There are currently too many ways to find sufficient doubt. I need there to be that definitive piece of evidence. Hopefully the police have something more in the evidence file. My main concern is him getting a fair trial, tbh. There are people who are calling for him to be sent to the electric chair without even bothering with a trial. Disturbing af. I've seen far too many stories of people who were given the death penalty only to be exonerated afterwards, and that's not including those who are given life sentences in none dp states/countries and then exonerated after decades.
The pings themselves might not be strong evidence just like one piece of a puzzle is not the whole puzzle. When you add the ping data to surveillance and other evidence then the pings take on more significance just like adding more pieces to the puzzle starts to create the whole puzzle. What the OP did here is just cherry pick one piece of evidence amongst many pieces LE has against him. Cherry picking does not work in the court system because you have to look at the totality of the evidence presented and not disregard everything that ties into it.
I think this video highlights the fact that even if someone is guilty, a good, thorough defence lawyer will ensure the prosecution is held to task and there is a decreased chance that someone is railroaded by the State
I love 'nerdy stuff' such as evidential information like this. It's the area of legal expertise and technical evidence I wanted to go into. I'm too old now but I still enjoy the insights into it.
@@CaptZdq1 I proudly claim myself to be a Nerd. Nerd historically means someone who loves to learn new things and gets excited about scientific matters! I am a retired Rn with a Bachelor's of Science in Nursing. I am a nerd, so are all four of my children and we're teaching the grandkids to be Nerds already. My grandson wanted a book for 7 year olds on Entymology and a book on Dr Fauci! We are an intensively Nerdy group. I think we need a Nerd's flag! I will fly it proudly along with that other pride flag!
Thank you again Andrea. I love your succinct evaluation of defense strategies and how information is accumulated. This makes it much easier when listening to the guess is people are making. I am becoming a couch attorney 😅
Thank you, Andrea! I am always fascinated with your commentary. I read that BK's school is only 10 miles away from the house where the murders took place and if it as rural as you say it is, and they dont have GPS to back it up, he could have gone to the grocery market 12 times in that area. The only thing we really know for sure about that night is doordash delivered at 4:00 am from kernodles phone, the time the white sedan was seen (before it stopped being seen) 4:04 am, and the time it was speeding away 4:20 am.
I just wanted this video again after 2 weeks. Born and raised in Idaho, I can attest to the statement Andrea makes about dead zones. To this day, when driving between Boise and Hailey, there is a solid hour of the 2 hour drive where there is no service. The mountainous area around Moscow doesn't help this... Additionally, I was thinking about the map that makes a U shape when BK could have driven a straight line. If the towers being used to triangulate this are so far away, the gov't could have drawn just about any shape they wanted to depict the "map" of his drive. Makes me wonder how much the affidavit makes a mountain out of a mole hill to reach probable cause...
I really appreciate your videos! You break things down in a way that anyone can understand, you approach each subject logically. Thank you so much for all your hard work, Andrea! PS- your makeup looks beautiful!
I said this. Bottom line, the range of the tower is 25 miles. He lives within the range of the towers and 10 miles from the scene. He would have frequently pinged on that tower, regularly. That's reasonable doubt.
Andrea, I was surprised to hear you used to practice in Walla Walla!! Not a well known town (except for eew, eee, eew ah ah, ding dang walla walla bing bang) and a place I knew well back in the day being a grad of Wa-Hi and WWCC. I don't live there now, but it sill holds a place in my heart...
Hi just subbed I totally look at this case as you do. I can't say he's Guilty on what I seen so far while most has already convicted him hopefully he doesn't get any of those people on the jury. This is serious case BK could get the death penalty he needs people with common sense open minded folks.
One could also assume that a person with the suspect's background would have a fundemental understanding on how a cell phone could be used to implicate a person in a crime, which gives me much pause.
How is it possible that a man who has a PHD in criminology commits a quadruple homicide and isn't smart enough to leave his cell phone at home? That makes absolutely no sense.
Hey Brother: It wasn’t just that night. In the weeks before, he visited the area several times. Yes, Andrea said 24 hours before, and 24 hours after, but I’ve read read several articles in the New York Post where they’re saying several times in the weeks before. Yes: He should have ALWAYS left the cell phone at home -- in all the drive-bys, etc, but -- I read he “turned off” his cell phone that night at some point. Also -- he didn’t have his PhD yet.
So interesting listening to how a defence attorney would tackle the information. Personally I just hope that the poor girl that saw the killer can identify them. She is the one person that can actually put the killer in the house. Thank you so much.
Eyewitness testimony is very unreliable especially if she was intoxicated in anyway and if she didn't know him beforehand. Hopefully either she was sober or the defense isn't too tough on her. Either way she is going to be put through hell during the trial. I hope she has support that is getting her through this
@Alyssa Brown-Carleton she's already under the gun as to why she didn't respond in any number of different ways. I feel sorry for her... if she'd known she was going to be attacked all over the Web, she might've not said anything. It's just that kind of treatment that keep people from coming forward when they know something or see something. They're treated worse than the alleged defendant. She's just trying to help but all the, "Well why didn't she call 9-1-+?" Or, "Why this" & "Why that"...we can't possibly know how utterly terrified she was but we can sure use our imaginations. I'd be frozen stock still.. so if her sighting does hold up to scrutiny, I hope she isn't put thru the proverbial wringer! Bless her heart!! I can recall being her age, living alone, & THINKING I saw something. I didn't call anyone or do anything till the next day & turns out there WAS a murder in the alley behind my apt. I maybe could've helped but maybe not. No one ever approached any of us living in those Apts (as a quadplex ) so, who knows? I didn't volunteer anything.
Well, drunk or not, as Andrea pointed out in her previous video, her testimony has ALREADY been the key that allowed the police to obtain cell records and so on, leading to the arrest.
Depending on the particular cell protocol used, there may also be *range* information inherent to the signal. This occurs when a TDMA (Time Division Multiple Access) protocol is used, for which the time-of-flight of the signal between the cell tower and the handset needs to be established, so that when the handset transmits it can be timed to fall into a pre-arranged slot when that transmission arrives at the tower. This is distinct from CDMA (Code Division Multiple Access) in which signals can overlap in time without interfering with each other too much, but a higher signal-to-noise ratio is required to make it work. If the time-of-flight data is available to investigators for at least some of the pings, that might help to explain how they are confident that a particular ping to the Moscow tower occurred at a large distance. It would also be possible to correlate trends in range data to the movement of the car with much more confidence than trends in signal strength data alone. If the phone was in active use near the time of the murder (eg. for mapping data in a satnav app), then that would greatly increase the likelihood that time-of-flight data would be available.
There are cameras on various businesses/homes (and if that area is anything like here in Orlando, we have red light cameras that capture images of cars and license plates) that police can gain access to that would help plot the path the Alantra took through town, and into the neighborhood where the crime took place. They can match the time(s) with cell tower ping(s). One of those business's/home's cameras could have captured an image of his license plate as well. If he was driving slowly by one of those cameras, it is possible it could have showed who was in the vehicle, especially if it was a night vision camera. I have three cameras on my property, all with night vision. The night vision on our cameras are very clear and bright.
Both towns are small, but this the US doesn't there will be some security cameras and ring door bells. The reporting and affidavit sight a car like his having been recorded.
Making sure that the prosecution makes the best case, the defense has to be as rigorous as possible. The defense actually keeps the prosecution honest. They can’t slide with messy uncertainty. They have to prove it. I used to feel the defense was just there to play unfair and get guilty people off. But I now realize the defense makes sure that the prosecution actually has the proof. I’m really amazed at our system. And very thankful I live here and not Britain (just comparing the courts, not the people as I love Britain).
You are a favorite of mine and appears to be a very smart defense attorney. I just hope your intelligence doest help The suspects attorney that is defending him. She needs to do her own research in my opinion. You are really easy to follow. I want to know what you have to say. Thank you for all your videos.❤
Yes, they will. There will be expert testimony on what the pings mean. The expert will explain how they place him in the area at the critical time and at several other times. It is just part of making a picture of the crime. The pings will be compared to video which will show with great precision where he was at various times. The overall picture must be consistent. The Nancy Brophy trial was similar in that respect. Cell phone pings and video showed her movements. There was no video showing her in the murder scene committing the act, but she was convicted easily, even without the actual murder weapon, by the totality of the circumstantial evidence.
Great explanation. There was also the assertion that the suspect's phone was touching the 1122 King Road's WIFI on several occasions. If true, that surely is stronger circumstantial evidence.
I have noticed that a lot of former detectives have already convicted BK in their YT streams. It’s irresponsible. All ‘true crime’ enthusiasts should also follow ‘LawTube’ members too, for perspective. Especially the streams where LawTube members cover cases of the wrongly convicted.
I agree. Some of the channels I subbed to, I no longer do. They have him hung, drawn & quartered already & he has barely opened his mouth. I find the so called deep dive into his personality & what his traits may be, highly offensive. This guy may very well be completely innocent (and I'm leaning that way)...and his life has now been dissected & pulled apart & will never recover. So sick of trial by media 😡😡
I agree. We shouldn’t assume that the killer had a cell phone or a car. Unfortunately, Most police officers are trained to search cell phone and cars, but this may not be the case. The killer could have worked or lived in the area.
Perhaps there is more DNA underneath some of the victims fingernails from fighting back? They have some on the sheaf so they wouldn’t need to reveal anymore at this time would they? They seem certain it’s him so that’s my thought atm..
Thank you for your analysis on cell phone data to prove location. Can you please do a separate video applying that analysis to the Adnan Syed case in Baltimore. He was convicted of murder because his phone pinged the tower covering the site where the victims body was buried, but he denied that he was at that location - and was at that time allegedly seen by just one witness in his school library.
Very interesting Andrea,The police make it sound as they have things "all wrapped up" but they may not. Incidentally, my family moved to a remote area of NC and I have to walk up a hill to connect to a tower when I visit.
Thanks, Andrea... fascinating again! I wonder if data from the other sensors such as the gyroscope or accelerometer or wifi are logged and can help paint a picture of what the person with the phone could be doing and when -- walking, driving, stabbing... except that he turned it off, didn't he? Which goes to conscience of guilt of course. The takeaway is: if you want to commit a crime, leave your cell phone at home.
If they have halfway decent towers around the area then each tower has like 8 different directions on it and they take each direction from each tower and connect them to get the location. Just depends on the tower.
That statement in this PCA may be an inference to their ability to track him to a single tower using signal strength data. That other tower may ‘serve’ Moscow from a location outside of the city, but they knew his proximity to the tower.
I’m incredibly skeptical of cell towers ping and location and let me tell you why. We live in a mountainous area. My cell phone often pings off towers in Atlanta. That’s a state away from me and a 2 hour and 45 min drive away. Just yesterday I googled Coke on sale near me and ads popped up for Harris Teeter in Atlanta. As for GPS from our cell phones it’s unreliable. My husband and I are members of an off-road association. When we offroad and use GPS sometimes his GPS will show that he’s miles away from me. How is this possible when he’s sitting right next to me? Also, cell service in mountainous rural areas will show a lot of inconsistent service areas. I can be in the same vehicle with my husband yet he has absolutely no service or connection but I do. We have the same model of phone, same service provider, the same plan, with the same activation date. We have gone into our local cell service store to get an explanation as to why this is happening and how to fix it. They have no explanation that we can comprehend. The GPS is especially concerning considering we offroad and if you break something and need to give coordinates to someone to help you. GPS recently showed me about 25 miles away from where I actually was. The problem here is the timing was off. I was at that location an hour previously. So for the cell phone pings in a rural mountainous area I’m not giving it much weight. Location and timing is shotty not only with 1 cell provider but across multiple providers. Example: you can have 2 phones traveling together but on different providers. Their service and GPS will be different. If pings and GPS is reliable then how do you explain this? As for the cell phone companies explaining it….good luck with that.
Don't know the name of the app, but there is one that assigns a unique 4 lettered code to a specific;"box" that narrows down the location/sesrch area drastically. Check w/ state LE for the name.
So,, so, so important as an unjust verdict would not only ruin the defendant's life but would also mean there is no active hunt for an extremely dangerous person or for more than one person's responsible.
when the affidavit was released, many thought the case was watertight, probably because very little was heard at first. now you can see more and more that many of the indications are not so sure. Touch DNA - easy to discuss away, shoeprint - the same, eyewitness - still very dare whether she recognizes him again. I have serious doubts at the moment whether it can be proven that he is the perpetrator. I hope LE has a lot more evidence that hasn't been made public. Added to this are the uncertainties in the information that you have transfigured.
Andrea - An imp factor to consider is that while the Pings show approx distance, LE has video evidence to combine with the Pings and document exact times and locations of the White Elantra. Specifically,, LE can show him making a three point turn in front of the house only minutes prior to the murders AND leaving at high speed only minutes after the murders.
Very Interesting breakdown of cell phone tower coverage. Also very very odd that the towers picked him up again utilizing cell coverage directly to the King rd address between 9:12 and 9:21 am morning after the murders. Phone traveling back to the Kohberger residence approximately 9:32 am. It will be interesting to see what evidence was found in his vehicle if anything at all.
One would assume they wouldn't go to the time, trouble and expense to arrest this guy without having more evidence than what's contained in the probable cause. At the very least, they could eliminate him as a suspect once they have the GPS from his phone, which they couldn't get before he was arrested.
There won’t be GPS data from his phone, as it was switched off. What they are looking for now is motive. They may already have it, but just wanted it cleaned up, or they may want to interview more people. There is almost always motive, but at the time the event that produced it may not have been seen as important.
@@Ken-er9cq i wonder if his car has gps. I know none of us know that 100% but the investigators and the car manufacturer. My little has a 13 model although it wasnt the same manufacturer and it had gps. If so, that could pinpoint his car to a location but those phone pings just do not do that. Yeah it could put him in a very general area but that could be miles away from the home. Like she said GPS wasnt in the PCA BUT they also could’ve obtained it after the PCA maybe i dunno. Very interesting case in a horrific way. Gonna be one interesting trial. I know BK isnt no genius but I think hes a little smarter than what some people give him credit for. Its super strange that he would make all these mistakes, excluding the sheath. I understand how he could make the mistake of leaving the sheath behind. It was his first murder, all the adrenaline he was getting on top of wanting to be in a hurry and get tf out of there. Being in a hurry with anything can cause you to make mistakes that you would never do in a normal situation. To think that he was counting on any cameras seeing his car, or for him to not just leave his phone at home is just a stupid mistake.
@@Ken-er9cq motive isn’t necessarily that interesting for the prosecution. It’s a nice bonus, of course. Hopefully they have lots more forensic evidence to tie him to the crime beyond reasonable doubt. I suspect they do.
Can we just slow our roll on the "been to the house 12 times" There is ONE cell tower in Moscow. 3 miles south of town. If BK's phone pinged it, it simply means that he was somewhere within 5-10 miles of that tower. It DOES NOT mean he was at the King Rd residence. This cell tower stuff will get riddled in court
I'm from Idaho and sometimes you can loose cell coverage due to weather and the mountains. I live in the Treasure Valley and we have mountains on 3 sides and you will loose coverage crossing them. You will even looose Am and FM radio stations. The entire state used to have only 1 area code until a few years ago. I'm still adjusting to having to put an area code in when making a local call. It definitely makes it harder to relie on technology. That's why a lot of people I know will give which route they are traveling to someone before we travel through those areas.
So glad you are covering this Andrea! Found you through Johnny V Amber case and loved you ever since! No exaggeration, just facts and it’s what we need. Keep up the good work ❤
Great Video... As a former former telecommunications employee that handled that sort of data and court orders, I must say it really had a good balance of technical info as well as contect explanation 😊
This analysis helps stop comments presuming a truckload that pre-empts due process. I found myself characterising the suspect's eyes as 'hypnotised' from just about every photo and video of the guy, the sense you also get from a hypnotic subject that the front of the brain has been bypassed for direct access to the unconscious that you could see on eye contact. But then every photo and video is showing a suspect stopped by traffic cops or under arrest or escorted past the media to court...where a deer caught in headlights is a typical look. I can;t recall the famous writer who said, whenever he was stopped by cops, he felt guilty even without specificity, and this was so normal for many drivers that some are known to panic and accelerate away from cops for no earthly reason.
So AB's systematic analysis restores logic and rationality to quite a few internet lynch mobs that prefer to rush to judgment so that their brains can head off any ambiguity and stop thinking.
More reflection has wondered how DNA has been reduced to one speck on a knife sheath, which sounds very on the nose if not found anywhere else...no one knows how much supporting evidence has been held back, so ppl presume this extra evidence exists. Some reflection has wondered about a 4 a.m. house call at the time of the murders, but no one seems to know who that was. Some reflection wonders how 4 fatal stabbings by one murderer could happen so fast with relatively minimal sounds and struggle and, seemingly, no blood on the suspect noticed by an eyewitness when surely he'd be covered in blood. Some cited the suspect's psychologically troubled forum postings from years ago, but I don''t know how authentic those are or how relevant.
No one has offered any motivation from the suspect. 'Probable cause' does not seem to mean probable cause, legally. The affidavit doesn't address motivation. 'Cause' seems to refer to cause for prosecution? citing the evidence as probably incriminating the suspect as guilty, not the 'cause' of why he did it.
This trial looks like it will be a very slow process, so we might get a piece-by-piece instruction of how a case is put together by coordinating evidence until what's circumstantial seems beyond coincidence.
Schizophrenia. Pixelated vision or visual snow has been associated with schizophrenia
Again, fascinating insights into forensics: Andrea answers questions I didn’t know I had! Thank you for another excellent video.
OMG this!! When former FBI agent Jennifer C tweeted the PCA, I asked her how the ping that didn’t belong to Bryan’s phone could be explained. She didn’t reply, but a lot of her followers did, referring to GPS data. I didn’t bother to engage with them. Thanks for this! I’ve been waiting for someone to address it.
To YOUR location? Or to your CELLPHONE location?
Too many people watching NCIS and thinking it's factual. Cell towers aren't recording a GPS position of a phone.
@@parisnchristlove if you have your location on, google can give you a timeline of all the paces you’ve been with your phone, I lost my phone walking my dog and managed to see where the person who found it had taken it. You can turn these features off, I certainly would if I was about to commit a crime.
What do u mean didn’t belong to his phone? U mean when it pinged but they don’t think he was in moscow? Most likely his cell did connect to the moscow tower but he wasn’t seen on surveillance in the area of the home. It’s that simple. If u at all understand cell towers u get it. I think there is a lot this woman is missing, or at least not putting 2 n 2 together.
Thanks Michelle! It may very well end up having a reasonable explanation, but based on the information they've put out so far, it's still a discrepancy the State will need to be prepared to explain. 🐟🐟🐟
You've given the clearest example of a possible defense strategy in this case. Very informative. Thank you.
Andrea! Your expertise is as vast as the distance between cell phone towers in rural Idaho.
This was extremely interesting to listen to 4 months later as I go back over stuff. Thanks
A technical extra on triangulation and how it applies here: with a single tower you have an enormous circle of "where the cell can be". With 2 towers you will see a line shape of "where the cell can be". At 3 towers you finally drop this to a small circle plus instrumental error (from experience with making trackers), precision's at about 5-10 meters to any side in the open.
Being inside buildings mostly shows on those calculations as jitter, an oscillation of where it seems to be. Most reconstruction algorithms (and thus software) can account for that, but it gets less precise and if you erroneously apply it that error increases sensibly. Enough to argue a case if the specialist screws up.
Can I copy & paste this
Of course! A good visual on what you can expect from this kind of triangulation is a venn diagram, with each tower being the center of the circles and the intersection being where the phone might be. If they can also know the strength of the signal, or if there are more towers (especially if they are far away from each other at opposite sides of the phone) it can be quite precise. Not as good as gps but enough to get the address down to a road.
@@synapse0 Thanks. This is a huge area of debate right now, and I definitely don’t have your expertise. It’s extremely helpful and will be to a lot of people.It appears there are four cell towers in Moscow, Idaho.
Biggest issue is he was in the area at strange times late at night early morning. Also the phone turned off then back on at perfect time frame. He’s screwed.
Just want to add that you can have more than three towers and that helps increase precision (reduce location error).
I have seen people assume that you only have three towers but, in reality, phones query (different than connecting) to a lot more towers for connection.
It is just that three is the minimum amount for triangulation.
In places with lots of towers densely packed, a phone can query dozens.
Omg! Where have you been!!?? So glad I found you! This was so informative and articulated in an easy way to understand on topics that can be so confusing! Thank you!
Fantastic legal analysis again, Andrea!! Most people just hear that the phone connected to a tower, but don't understand the actual way that phones connects and how location can be decided!! Awesome!!👍👏👏🙏💯💯
Great information. If he is allegedly guilty, I hope there's a lot more data/evidence than what is in the affidavit. Appreciate your non-biased coverage.
Someone as smart as him would not make such stupid mistakes. He makes a good patsy, n he was obviously set up. The case looks too suspiciously like many other cases of serial killers or mass murders, where patsies are used. See Programmed to Kill by David McGowan and The Phoenix Program and The CIA as Organized Crime by Douglas Valentine and see also Russ Dizdar. Of course, this will be rejected outright bcz it's a claim of conspiracy, n, as we all know, there are no conspiracies bcz the fascistic, criminally insane CIA, which has a long and sordid history of conspiracies, says there aren't.
it's abnormal extraverts who are anti-social, bcz they lack inhibitions and sensibilities, n there are no intraverted symptoms in anti-social personality/sociopathy/psychopathy--they are externalizing disorders, introverts have internalizing disorders.
By the time the trial is held, the prosecution will have DNA evidence from the knife sheath, so the cell sight data may no longer be important.
There absolutely is. His apartment will have the victims blood or hair.
@@lisaiddings1354 if they had found that they would have harped on the victims blood being in his car or apt.
I love how you do your analysis and presentation. You do your deep dives, get the facts, break it all down and then give it to us in an easily understandable way. You make us think, see all sides and keep us on the edge of our seats waiting for more.
Attorney Burkhart critically examines the elements of the Idaho v Kohberger case. Great analysis to consider as the case moves forward.
I was wondering about the pinging. Pullman doesn't have nearly as much shopping, entertainment, or activity as Moscow does, so the fact that Kohberger was "in the area" twelve times didn't seem too alarming to me. They are only about 9.5 miles apart. I just came back from visiting my daughter in Pullman and, even running errands in Pullman, we were within 10 to 5 miles from Moscow at all times. Thank you so much for detailing this so well!!!
He was there in early morning hours same as time of musées. All business would have been closed
Wasn't the time in the middle of the night, though?
@@TheParentTeacherBridge Certainly, the one at the time of the murders could be an issue, but the other 11 times is what I was wondering about.
@@andreacarter8202 I don't mean just the day of the murder, (although there is some speculation that he may have turned his phone off), I meant the 11 or so other times that law enforcement said that his phone pined in the area.
@@tracysires2234 Yes. What would one be looking at that time of night? or doing?
Wait! What is this? facts? Fairness? Nonbiased? Not convicting him with limited unchallenged evidence? No conspiracy theories? You are brave!
I always learn something new from these videos of yours, Andrea. We here in the east rarely have to worry about lack of cell service (unless you're in the mountains). Thanks for another great video. You always leave me wanting to know more!
Thanks for the lucid analysis Andrea. Ping data alone cannot be dispositive of specific location. Such data clearly seems more prejudicial than probative.
I did see on one channel that at some of the previous visits he was close enough to the house that his phone linked to their Wi-Fi. That may be more important than the cellular Tower data
If he connected to their Wi-Fi then he’s been given a password or he guessed their password, or their Wi-Fi isnt password protected.
@benjamuniverse
Not ALL homes have passwords on their GUEST wi fi. I didn’t for years and I know many people who do not. A large college party house probably would NOT!
If the reporting is accurate, that would establish he was at the location. Considering the street has been described as, "not a pass through location," that would be pretty damning.
I heard Steve G mention that but has it been verified?
@@BenjamUniverse The phone doesn't need to be connected to their wi-fi, but router data can show which phones were within its radius. If true here, more significant than triangulated tower data.
My husband and I were watching together and when you mentioned the cell coverage between Walla Walla and Clarkston, we both said "Yup!" 🤣🤣🤣 We lived in Walla Walla for 15 years. That part of the US has a whole lot of empty space between the towns. 💕
Your illustration of the Moscow/Pullman area is helpful to see how cell tower service might not be a strong piece of evidence for the prosecution. It is good to know that there are rules courts use to allow expert testimony. I will be interested to hear your dive into DNA evidence & the knife sheath. Thanks.
Thanks so much Mara! 🐟🐟🐟
@@aburkhartlaw Someone as smart as him would not make such stupid mistakes. He makes a good patsy, n he was obviously set up. The case looks too suspiciously like many other cases of serial killers or mass murders, where patsies are used. See Programmed to Kill by David McGowan and The Phoenix Program and The CIA as Organized Crime by Douglas Valentine and see also Russ Dizdar. Of course, this will be rejected outright bcz it's a claim of conspiracy, n, as we all know, there are no conspiracies bcz the fascistic, criminally insane CIA, which has a long and sordid history of conspiracies, says there aren't.
it's abnormal extraverts who are anti-social, bcz they lack inhibitions and sensibilities, n there are no intraverted symptoms in anti-social personality/sociopathy/psychopathy--they are externalizing disorders, introverts have internalizing disorders.
I just really hope they have a lot more evidence tha they are sharing at the moment. Because currently, it seems the case is pretty weak for a conviction.
The knife sheath is interesting: It doesn't fill the trifecta of evidence they teach when studying forensics. Basically, they have his DNA on the sheath, and they have the sheath at the crime scene, but the sheath isn't a fixture in the home, it's mobile, so that doesn't mean he had to be there at the same time as the sheath.
The DNA on the sheath being in only that one specific spot could also mean it was deliberately planted, just as easily as it can be attributed to the suspect cleaning it off and missing that spot for some reason, it could just as easily have been done on purpose by someone setting BK up. Because, as I mentioned above, that sheath is a mobile item, someone could have stolen the knife from him or it might not be his knife, some one might have shown him their knife, etc. I would think any good defense lawyer should be able to successfully sow enough doubt and pick holes in it.
Complete the trifecta you have to physically place him there, either with DNA evidence under victims fingernails, his DNA or prints on fixtures directly in the scene (eg a blood spatter with his fingerprint in, his DNA/blood on something fixed like the headboard of the bed, or a door handle leading out of the room etc), or something from the crime on him (eg blood spatter on his clothes).
While they do also have the shoe print, I have my concerns about that too.
Idk if I believe he's guilty just based off the evidence we've seen. There are currently too many ways to find sufficient doubt. I need there to be that definitive piece of evidence. Hopefully the police have something more in the evidence file. My main concern is him getting a fair trial, tbh. There are people who are calling for him to be sent to the electric chair without even bothering with a trial. Disturbing af. I've seen far too many stories of people who were given the death penalty only to be exonerated afterwards, and that's not including those who are given life sentences in none dp states/countries and then exonerated after decades.
The pings themselves might not be strong evidence just like one piece of a puzzle is not the whole puzzle. When you add the ping data to surveillance and other evidence then the pings take on more significance just like adding more pieces to the puzzle starts to create the whole puzzle. What the OP did here is just cherry pick one piece of evidence amongst many pieces LE has against him. Cherry picking does not work in the court system because you have to look at the totality of the evidence presented and not disregard everything that ties into it.
Thank you again for your well thought out perspective.
I think this video highlights the fact that even if someone is guilty, a good, thorough defence lawyer will ensure the prosecution is held to task and there is a decreased chance that someone is railroaded by the State
I love 'nerdy stuff' such as evidential information like this. It's the area of legal expertise and technical evidence I wanted to go into. I'm too old now but I still enjoy the insights into it.
It's not 'nerdy' stuff, it's brainy stuff. Using such confusionisms is a slur.
@@CaptZdq1 I proudly claim myself to be a Nerd. Nerd historically means someone who loves to learn new things and gets excited about scientific matters! I am a retired Rn with a Bachelor's of Science in Nursing. I am a nerd, so are all four of my children and we're teaching the grandkids to be Nerds already. My grandson wanted a book for 7 year olds on Entymology and a book on Dr Fauci! We are an intensively Nerdy group. I think we need a Nerd's flag! I will fly it proudly along with that other pride flag!
Thank you again Andrea. I love your succinct evaluation of defense strategies and how information is accumulated. This makes it much easier when listening to the guess is people are making. I am becoming a couch attorney 😅
Excellent information as always. However we really don't know all the evidence they do have.
Andrea, I love your explanations, you bring law to make sense for us. God bless.
Thank you for this intelligent video. I’m so sick of watching ignorant people talk about this case.
Commenting before I’ve watched because that’s a great tie dye!
Interesting, Andrea. I wonder how the prosecutors will spin it with such an absence of triangulation. A range alone won't cut it.
Thank you Andrea . Great assessment as always . Loving the Woodstock look
Thank you, Andrea! I am always fascinated with your commentary. I read that BK's school is only 10 miles away from the house where the murders took place and if it as rural as you say it is, and they dont have GPS to back it up, he could have gone to the grocery market 12 times in that area. The only thing we really know for sure about that night is doordash delivered at 4:00 am from kernodles phone, the time the white sedan was seen (before it stopped being seen) 4:04 am, and the time it was speeding away 4:20 am.
I just wanted this video again after 2 weeks. Born and raised in Idaho, I can attest to the statement Andrea makes about dead zones. To this day, when driving between Boise and Hailey, there is a solid hour of the 2 hour drive where there is no service. The mountainous area around Moscow doesn't help this...
Additionally, I was thinking about the map that makes a U shape when BK could have driven a straight line. If the towers being used to triangulate this are so far away, the gov't could have drawn just about any shape they wanted to depict the "map" of his drive. Makes me wonder how much the affidavit makes a mountain out of a mole hill to reach probable cause...
Finally a YT video about this case that raises ones IQ. 🙏🏽
andrea is vg...concise, insightful, and great delivery. only just found you....keep it up.
I have to believe they were able to get evidence from the car and apartment
Saw you on that marathon Pascal show. U killed it.. metaphorically speaking. You brought the cold, hard facts and POV that need to be faced. 🙏🏾💯⚡️💥
Informative and concise as always and I love your shirt! Thank you Andrea!
I really appreciate your videos! You break things down in a way that anyone can understand, you approach each subject logically. Thank you so much for all your hard work, Andrea!
PS- your makeup looks beautiful!
I really enjoy this kind of analysis, thanks for linking that article, too!
Even the affidavit says it pinged in Moscow on one day, but didn’t think he was there on that particular day. They don’t say why they concluded this.
Exactly, how do they know this. Not doubting it but how did they come to this conclusion. Thay would be useful to know
I said this. Bottom line, the range of the tower is 25 miles. He lives within the range of the towers and 10 miles from the scene. He would have frequently pinged on that tower, regularly. That's reasonable doubt.
Andrea, I was surprised to hear you used to practice in Walla Walla!! Not a well known town (except for eew, eee, eew ah ah, ding dang walla walla bing bang) and a place I knew well back in the day being a grad of Wa-Hi and WWCC. I don't live there now, but it sill holds a place in my heart...
Hi just subbed I totally look at this case as you do. I can't say he's Guilty on what I seen so far while most has already convicted him hopefully he doesn't get any of those people on the jury. This is serious case BK could get the death penalty he needs people with common sense open minded folks.
One could also assume that a person with the suspect's background would have a fundemental understanding on how a cell phone could be used to implicate a person in a crime, which gives me much pause.
How is it possible that a man who has a PHD in criminology commits a quadruple homicide and isn't smart enough to leave his cell phone at home? That makes absolutely no sense.
Hey Brother: It wasn’t just that night. In the weeks before, he visited the area several times. Yes, Andrea said 24 hours before, and 24 hours after, but I’ve read read several articles in the New York Post where they’re saying several times in the weeks before. Yes: He should have ALWAYS left the cell phone at home -- in all the drive-bys, etc, but -- I read he “turned off” his cell phone that night at some point. Also -- he didn’t have his PhD yet.
I had no idea about cell tower technicalities. This is vital. Thank you for the clarity. 🙏🏾💯💥
Thanks Andrea, as always an informative and fascinating video.
Thank you Andrea. Great preparation for what is coming.
Doing Search and Rescue in Montana I have seen pings be off by as much as 8 miles line of sight.
So interesting listening to how a defence attorney would tackle the information. Personally I just hope that the poor girl that saw the killer can identify them. She is the one person that can actually put the killer in the house. Thank you so much.
Eyewitness testimony is very unreliable especially if she was intoxicated in anyway and if she didn't know him beforehand. Hopefully either she was sober or the defense isn't too tough on her. Either way she is going to be put through hell during the trial. I hope she has support that is getting her through this
@Alyssa Brown-Carleton she's already under the gun as to why she didn't respond in any number of different ways. I feel sorry for her... if she'd known she was going to be attacked all over the Web, she might've not said anything. It's just that kind of treatment that keep people from coming forward when they know something or see something. They're treated worse than the alleged defendant. She's just trying to help but all the, "Well why didn't she call 9-1-+?" Or, "Why this" & "Why that"...we can't possibly know how utterly terrified she was but we can sure use our imaginations. I'd be frozen stock still.. so if her sighting does hold up to scrutiny, I hope she isn't put thru the proverbial wringer! Bless her heart!! I can recall being her age, living alone, & THINKING I saw something. I didn't call anyone or do anything till the next day & turns out there WAS a murder in the alley behind my apt. I maybe could've helped but maybe not. No one ever approached any of us living in those Apts (as a quadplex ) so, who knows? I didn't volunteer anything.
@@PhoebeMc
Yeah, unfortunately eye-witness testimony- in and of itself - carries very little weight: especially if they can prove drug/alcohol involvement.
Well, drunk or not, as Andrea pointed out in her previous video, her testimony has ALREADY been the key that allowed the police to obtain cell records and so on, leading to the arrest.
The best explanation I've seen online. Exceedingly brilliant.
Depending on the particular cell protocol used, there may also be *range* information inherent to the signal. This occurs when a TDMA (Time Division Multiple Access) protocol is used, for which the time-of-flight of the signal between the cell tower and the handset needs to be established, so that when the handset transmits it can be timed to fall into a pre-arranged slot when that transmission arrives at the tower. This is distinct from CDMA (Code Division Multiple Access) in which signals can overlap in time without interfering with each other too much, but a higher signal-to-noise ratio is required to make it work.
If the time-of-flight data is available to investigators for at least some of the pings, that might help to explain how they are confident that a particular ping to the Moscow tower occurred at a large distance. It would also be possible to correlate trends in range data to the movement of the car with much more confidence than trends in signal strength data alone. If the phone was in active use near the time of the murder (eg. for mapping data in a satnav app), then that would greatly increase the likelihood that time-of-flight data would be available.
TDMA phones are now obsolete and not likely part of this scenario.
@@Drone256 On the contrary, LTE (aka 4G) is a TDMA protocol.
Hi Andrea, i'm coming over from the pascal show, thanks for your insight into this case. love from Canada
Excellent content. Great presentation. You rock
There are cameras on various businesses/homes (and if that area is anything like here in Orlando, we have red light cameras that capture images of cars and license plates) that police can gain access to that would help plot the path the Alantra took through town, and into the neighborhood where the crime took place. They can match the time(s) with cell tower ping(s). One of those business's/home's cameras could have captured an image of his license plate as well. If he was driving slowly by one of those cameras, it is possible it could have showed who was in the vehicle, especially if it was a night vision camera. I have three cameras on my property, all with night vision. The night vision on our cameras are very clear and bright.
Both towns are small, but this the US doesn't there will be some security cameras and ring door bells. The reporting and affidavit sight a car like his having been recorded.
GREAT JOB !! and a pleasant voice to boot.
Making sure that the prosecution makes the best case, the defense has to be as rigorous as possible. The defense actually keeps the prosecution honest. They can’t slide with messy uncertainty. They have to prove it. I used to feel the defense was just there to play unfair and get guilty people off. But I now realize the defense makes sure that the prosecution actually has the proof. I’m really amazed at our system. And very thankful I live here and not Britain (just comparing the courts, not the people as I love Britain).
Informative as always! Thank you!
You are a favorite of mine and appears to be a very smart defense attorney. I just hope your intelligence doest help The suspects attorney that is defending him. She needs to do her own research in my opinion. You are really easy to follow. I want to know what you have to say. Thank you for all your videos.❤
Thank you for such thorough coverage, Andrea! Ugh- it’s hard to hear what we don’t want to. Let’s hope there’s some gps data in discovery,
Yes, they will. There will be expert testimony on what the pings mean. The expert will explain how they place him in the area at the critical time and at several other times. It is just part of making a picture of the crime. The pings will be compared to video which will show with great precision where he was at various times. The overall picture must be consistent.
The Nancy Brophy trial was similar in that respect. Cell phone pings and video showed her movements. There was no video showing her in the murder scene committing the act, but she was convicted easily, even without the actual murder weapon, by the totality of the circumstantial evidence.
That line concerned me when I first heard it. Thanks for addressing this.
Thanks for doing this video. My dad and I were having trouble understanding “pings” and data and how it’s used in the legal realm.
The Pascal show brought me here, I enjoyed the conversation very much.
I’ve seen that triangulation technique in the Harlderson trial. I was impressed
Great explanation. There was also the assertion that the suspect's phone was touching the 1122 King Road's WIFI on several occasions. If true, that surely is stronger circumstantial evidence.
What people have never considered is the fact, that it is possible for him to have visited the house before.
That was said by Steve Goncalves in an interview back on Jan 9 2023 in a station out of Seattle WA. I don’t know how true this is.
I have noticed that a lot of former detectives have already convicted BK in their YT streams. It’s irresponsible. All ‘true crime’ enthusiasts should also follow ‘LawTube’ members too, for perspective. Especially the streams where LawTube members cover cases of the wrongly convicted.
I actually find it disgusting. I mean if this guy did it put him against the wall for sure but the way people have jumped the gun on this is nuts
I find it gross that the genre is even called “True Crime” when it seems like 95% of it is made up garbage
I agree.
Some of the channels I subbed to, I no longer do.
They have him hung, drawn & quartered already & he has barely opened his mouth.
I find the so called deep dive into his personality & what his traits may be, highly offensive.
This guy may very well be completely innocent (and I'm leaning that way)...and his life has now been dissected & pulled apart & will never recover.
So sick of trial by media 😡😡
They want your money. Never send these scam artists a dime
I agree. We shouldn’t assume that the killer had a cell phone or a car. Unfortunately, Most police officers are trained to search cell phone and cars, but this may not be the case. The killer could have worked or lived in the area.
Perhaps there is more DNA underneath some of the victims fingernails from fighting back? They have some on the sheaf so they wouldn’t need to reveal anymore at this time would they? They seem certain it’s him so that’s my thought atm..
Great information. Loved the show.
You make it so easy to understand all things legal. Your hair looks amazing
Thank you for your analysis on cell phone data to prove location.
Can you please do a separate video applying that analysis to the Adnan Syed case in Baltimore.
He was convicted of murder because his phone pinged the tower covering the site where the victims body was buried, but he denied that he was at that location - and was at that time allegedly seen by just one witness in his school library.
wonder what the conversation was like between Bryan and his dad after the second police stop ..
Can you keep saying Walla Walla in your videos, cracks me up every time
I always look to you for clear, logical, fair analysis. Thank you.
Yep. Born in Walla Walla. Good area to be From. Excellent video.
Very interesting Andrea,The police make it sound as they have things "all wrapped up" but they may not. Incidentally, my family moved to a remote area of NC and I have to walk up a hill to connect to a tower when I visit.
thank you for clearing this up. good job
Thanks, Andrea... fascinating again!
I wonder if data from the other sensors such as the gyroscope or accelerometer or wifi are logged and can help paint a picture of what the person with the phone could be doing and when -- walking, driving, stabbing... except that he turned it off, didn't he? Which goes to conscience of guilt of course. The takeaway is: if you want to commit a crime, leave your cell phone at home.
If they have halfway decent towers around the area then each tower has like 8 different directions on it and they take each direction from each tower and connect them to get the location. Just depends on the tower.
That statement in this PCA may be an inference to their ability to track him to a single tower using signal strength data. That other tower may ‘serve’ Moscow from a location outside of the city, but they knew his proximity to the tower.
I’m incredibly skeptical of cell towers ping and location and let me tell you why. We live in a mountainous area. My cell phone often pings off towers in Atlanta. That’s a state away from me and a 2 hour and 45 min drive away. Just yesterday I googled Coke on sale near me and ads popped up for Harris Teeter in Atlanta.
As for GPS from our cell phones it’s unreliable. My husband and I are members of an off-road association. When we offroad and use GPS sometimes his GPS will show that he’s miles away from me. How is this possible when he’s sitting right next to me? Also, cell service in mountainous rural areas will show a lot of inconsistent service areas. I can be in the same vehicle with my husband yet he has absolutely no service or connection but I do. We have the same model of phone, same service provider, the same plan, with the same activation date.
We have gone into our local cell service store to get an explanation as to why this is happening and how to fix it. They have no explanation that we can comprehend. The GPS is especially concerning considering we offroad and if you break something and need to give coordinates to someone to help you. GPS recently showed me about 25 miles away from where I actually was. The problem here is the timing was off. I was at that location an hour previously.
So for the cell phone pings in a rural mountainous area I’m not giving it much weight. Location and timing is shotty not only with 1 cell provider but across multiple providers. Example: you can have 2 phones traveling together but on different providers. Their service and GPS will be different. If pings and GPS is reliable then how do you explain this? As for the cell phone companies explaining it….good luck with that.
Don't know the name of the app, but there is one that assigns a unique 4 lettered code to a specific;"box" that narrows down the location/sesrch area drastically. Check w/ state LE for the name.
City data lists 43 cell towers registered in Moscow Idaho. Finding three towers to determine exact location it’s not going to be difficult.
If location services are enabled on the phone … the phone can be located by police and highway patrol. Do your homework!
So,, so, so important as an unjust verdict would not only ruin the defendant's life but would also mean there is no active hunt for an extremely dangerous person or for more than one person's responsible.
Great video Andrea! Thank you for covering this... I'm sure Bryan wishes he could get you on his legal team.
when the affidavit was released, many thought the case was watertight, probably because very little was heard at first. now you can see more and more that many of the indications are not so sure. Touch DNA - easy to discuss away, shoeprint - the same, eyewitness - still very dare whether she recognizes him again. I have serious doubts at the moment whether it can be proven that he is the perpetrator. I hope LE has a lot more evidence that hasn't been made public.
Added to this are the uncertainties in the information that you have transfigured.
finally someone doing non-propaganda , and being transparent
Andrea - An imp factor to consider is that while the Pings show approx distance, LE has video evidence to combine with the Pings and document exact times and locations of the White Elantra. Specifically,, LE can show him making a three point turn in front of the house only minutes prior to the murders AND leaving at high speed only minutes after the murders.
Very Interesting breakdown of cell phone tower coverage. Also very very odd that the towers picked him up again utilizing cell coverage directly to the King rd address between 9:12 and 9:21 am morning after the murders. Phone traveling back to the Kohberger residence approximately 9:32 am. It will be interesting to see what evidence was found in his vehicle if anything at all.
Hopefully his defense attorney is watching your stuff lol... Great stuff per usual.. Only lawtuber i think i'd suggest to others.
Hopefully she ISN’T watching 😐!
PEACE. LOVE your tie-dye.
Your in Washington state like I am. I’m up early having my coffee & you just dropped a video. 🎉
One would assume they wouldn't go to the time, trouble and expense to arrest this guy without having more evidence than what's contained in the probable cause. At the very least, they could eliminate him as a suspect once they have the GPS from his phone, which they couldn't get before he was arrested.
It's going to take 4-5 days just to go over all the evidence they have against him. That's according to the prosecutor!! They have so much more!!!
There won’t be GPS data from his phone, as it was switched off. What they are looking for now is motive. They may already have it, but just wanted it cleaned up, or they may want to interview more people. There is almost always motive, but at the time the event that produced it may not have been seen as important.
@@Ken-er9cq i wonder if his car has gps. I know none of us know that 100% but the investigators and the car manufacturer. My little has a 13 model although it wasnt the same manufacturer and it had gps. If so, that could pinpoint his car to a location but those phone pings just do not do that. Yeah it could put him in a very general area but that could be miles away from the home. Like she said GPS wasnt in the PCA BUT they also could’ve obtained it after the PCA maybe i dunno. Very interesting case in a horrific way. Gonna be one interesting trial. I know BK isnt no genius but I think hes a little smarter than what some people give him credit for. Its super strange that he would make all these mistakes, excluding the sheath. I understand how he could make the mistake of leaving the sheath behind. It was his first murder, all the adrenaline he was getting on top of wanting to be in a hurry and get tf out of there. Being in a hurry with anything can cause you to make mistakes that you would never do in a normal situation. To think that he was counting on any cameras seeing his car, or for him to not just leave his phone at home is just a stupid mistake.
@@Ken-er9cq prosecution doesn't have to prove motive
@@Ken-er9cq motive isn’t necessarily that interesting for the prosecution. It’s a nice bonus, of course. Hopefully they have lots more forensic evidence to tie him to the crime beyond reasonable doubt. I suspect they do.
Can we just slow our roll on the "been to the house 12 times" There is ONE cell tower in Moscow. 3 miles south of town. If BK's phone pinged it, it simply means that he was somewhere within 5-10 miles of that tower. It DOES NOT mean he was at the King Rd residence. This cell tower stuff will get riddled in court
Re-watching...........always interesting!
Another great vídeo Andrea, you are so awesome.
Many thanks for this excellent breakdown of a tricky topic.
Very interesting and informative! Thanks for your coverage!
Mr Goncalves said his phone touched their WIFI in another interview. Wouldn't this be more accurate?