I remember trying to get into him when Chance blew up after Acid Rap, in my personal opinion, it was I like the personality but not necessarily the art. I thought Vic was cool, but none of his music had enough substance to keep me there listening.
Beefin with someone who has a cult following like xxxtentacion and dissing him at a award show after he died in front of his mother kinda killed his career for me from there.
@@lisasimpson8003He wasn’t arrested for domestic violence. Vic Mensa said in a song that he was cheating on his ex girlfriend. The had gotten drunk that one night. His ex girlfriend was attacking him by hitting him in the jaw. He had blacked out and he had his hands around her neck. But when he was realizing what he was doing, he had backed off of her. And he wasn’t arrested for it because his ex girlfriend didn’t have him arrested. He had just put it in a song
Vic's biggest issue (imho) was that he was having an identity crisis musically, and possibly personally. His sound was jumping from one thing to another. Never laying down a foothold in one particular style. From songs like "I Feel That to songs like "We Could Be Free", I think Vic didn't really know what type of artist he wanted to be. The fans wanted him to tap back into the sound of his INNANETAPE days, but he had moved on.
I always felt like Chance and Vic needed each other (musically and personally) the most during the years they were beefing and disconnected. They both went completely different paths after 2013-14. Acid Rap and Innanetape was some of my fav projects in 2013. Their chemistry together was so fluid and musical that everything work for them
I'm actually a fan of Vic Mensa, I've always looked at him as a top MC from the 2010s, especially in Chicago. Along side Saba, Mick Jenkins, Chance, Joey Purp, etc etc. I agree with the street take because, I'm from Markham which is south of Chicago. Hyde Park is a neighborhood that most people want to move to because of how safe and poppin' it is (I understand safe is subjective). I don't know Vic personally, but since the city is 3 degrees of separation, I could probably get close to him or hear stories about it. I've never heard nobody near me say, "he was one of them niggas." Like... Ever lol. So I can agree with you. But he could be thorough in everything he's talking about. Even squares are knowledgeable about street shit because of people or family members near them. But I don't know why his music doesn't resonate because he's had songs that should've went up. Plus him beefing with Chance didn't help, but they're back cool now. I guess we'll never know.
Vic Mensa was a Chi town born, Gemini rapper with a homies and crews that was starting to pop. Had he stayed on the same trajectory artistically that he was on during INNATE, and records like “down on my luck”, he’d be a top teir rapper today. Unfortunately he chased the game. Confused his audience. Alienated a huge part of his base.
You should look into “XV” he was a Popular early 2010 rapper who had a good mixtape run and had songs with cole, Kendrick, etc he is really good in my opinion but took a hiatus.
Can you please do a video on Justin Timberlake, Azealia Banks, Alicia Keys, Mya, YoYo, Boyz II Men, Brian McKnight, Young M.A., YG, Will Smith, Lil Wop and Trippie Redd.
As a fan of the savemoney him and chance was supposed to take the game over. I feel like Vic got in his own way it’s sad man. His 2020 album Vtape was the most authentic Vic we’ve seen in a long time.
Well I think that you are wrong. His first album didn’t have Kanye West on it. The album that had Kanye West on it was Traffic. And that album was scrapped. I think that the reason why people couldn’t get into musically, was because not just that he wasn’t from the hood. But I think that he wasn’t marked right by Roc Nation. Because I had listened to a lot of his music before and he doesn’t talk about a lot of the street life like the way the other rappers from Chicago had. Plus, he wasn’t relatable to people because of how he grew up. His mother is White and his dad is Ghanaian. So he didn’t grow up the way a lot of Black people had grew up. So the Black people in the urban community didn’t know how to relate to him. And like I said before. It didn’t help that Roc Nation didn’t know how to make him relatable to the urban community
there was a few facts that were off in this, 1. kanye feature wasn't his 2nd song, he had at least 2 tapes out prior to that 1 song, most notably INNANETAPE , the project that really served as a springboard for his solo career (which you didn't mention) 2. he's from the hyde park neighborhood in Chicago, not hyde park illinois, brutha. he is not from the suburbs of chicago. he is from the southside of chicago. kids these days; the "punk band" you refer to him being in is a product of the chicago public magnet school system. so as far as him "trying to act like he's from chicago" argument kinda just falls flat in light of the actual facts. i don't believe anyone who has actually listened to his music thinks he's trying make anything like chicago drill. he comes from a similar place, it still affects you no matter what. and he definitely touches on that. you also didn't touch on the political raps either, which has a lot to do with chicago issues. the song 16 SHOTS???? off the tape called There's A Lot Going On (which you also didn't mention) is about the murder of Laquan Mcdonald, a black man who was shot 16 times in the back by the chicago police. to me vic is considered a legend in the city to people of my generation. i just feel like you didn't truly listen to the music. i can't deny that the more recent stuff has gone in more random directions, and that his career has definitely been mismanaged, i agree. but i feel like the reasons you give are very weak and frankly unfounded. hope i didn't come off as aggressive, that is not the tone i'm taking as i type this, but am frustrated with the lack of proper research. -peace
PEACE/ ISLAM/ SHALAWAM/ HOTEP. I don't normally comment. I'm an elder at this point ( 51) whose been raised off of HIP HOP. I had to say something bc you made a mistake twice. HYDE PARK IS IN CHICAGO. IT'S NOT A SUBURB OF CHICAGO. HYDE PARK HAS ITS NICE SIDE AND HOOD SIDE. ITS A NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE SE SIDE. THE REASON VM DOESN'T CONNECT WITH THE PEOPLE TOTALLY ( He has a couple of songs I like). IS HE CAME OUT TRYING TO BE SO LEFT OF CENTER. HYDE PARK IS LIKE NEW YORK. SO THE RAP ROCK THING DIDN'T CLICK. P.S. KEEP THINKING VM IS SOFT OF SOMETHING. THAT'S HOW HYDE PARK IS. DONT JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER. PEACE AND LOVE.
I cringe every time he says "hyde park illinois" lol... Hyde Park is the name of a neighborhood on the south side of chicago. Vic is corny no doubt. But Hyde park is not a suburb; thats poor journalism. lol
The issue with Vic Mensa is he isn't sincere and people can see it loud and clear. If he was just himself and not pantomiming what is cool at that time, he could have built a following. Tyler The Creator is being a comparable example. He's an oddball and put that on display and people got into him.
thats a great point. and following your logic, vic **couldve** been marketed similarly to tyler. i consider them both talented oddballs lol.. your analysis was solid
This is a bit of a nitpick but "Hyde park, Illinois" doesn't really make sense. Hyde is a neighborhood in Chicago Edit: oh hold up, you really think hyde park is a suburb lmao. Also im not really sure id call "kids these days" a punk band, its like a weird jazz hiphop rock fusion band.
He’s actually a good rapper but later on what made him go downhill even more was following trends with sounds with his music I was never a fan of him also him delaying his album too late killed his career
This guy loves glorifying thugs and throws shade on guys who came from middle class families like if its a bad thing. You do realize people are more likely to succeed in life coming out a middle class family or neighborhood than from poverty right?
lol mans started hating from the first second. the fact that you think Drake is better at rapping that vic is laughable. also the jay Z and Pusha shots lol
His career started to fall when he dissed x after he died which was stupid asf because he has no place and no say in his situation especially when he’s been confirmed to do the same thing
Well, he had a mid career before he had dissed X. But after he had dissed XXXTentacion, people were mad at him. Then some to most people just stopped caring
What's your hones opinion on Vic Mensa as an artist?
I remember you already did on him before it got deleted.
I remember trying to get into him when Chance blew up after Acid Rap, in my personal opinion, it was I like the personality but not necessarily the art. I thought Vic was cool, but none of his music had enough substance to keep me there listening.
I have never heard any of his music
He's not a good artist. Tries to hard to be edgy.
His first 2 mixtapes were amazing then he changed his flow. Metaphors are too forced now.
Beefin with someone who has a cult following like xxxtentacion and dissing him at a award show after he died in front of his mother kinda killed his career for me from there.
WHAT?? That's some weak shit bro!
Good point. And whats crazy, Vic Mensa was dissin XX for domestic violence but Vic Mensa was arrested for domestic violence soo lol
@@lisasimpson8003He wasn’t arrested for domestic violence. Vic Mensa said in a song that he was cheating on his ex girlfriend. The had gotten drunk that one night. His ex girlfriend was attacking him by hitting him in the jaw. He had blacked out and he had his hands around her neck. But when he was realizing what he was doing, he had backed off of her. And he wasn’t arrested for it because his ex girlfriend didn’t have him arrested. He had just put it in a song
@@andresciahooten9598 so, in short he was violent with a woman after condemning xx for being violent with women 🙄. Thanks for clarification
Vic's biggest issue (imho) was that he was having an identity crisis musically, and possibly personally. His sound was jumping from one thing to another. Never laying down a foothold in one particular style. From songs like "I Feel That to songs like "We Could Be Free", I think Vic didn't really know what type of artist he wanted to be. The fans wanted him to tap back into the sound of his INNANETAPE days, but he had moved on.
What you missing is the point is Hyde park is not the suburbia. And you don’t have to be chief Keef or Durk to be affected by Chicago.
These OT
UA-camrs🤦♂️
I always felt like Chance and Vic needed each other (musically and personally) the most during the years they were beefing and disconnected.
They both went completely different paths after 2013-14.
Acid Rap and Innanetape was some of my fav projects in 2013.
Their chemistry together was so fluid and musical that everything work for them
His song "orange Soda 🍊" is a CLASSIC!!!
His only good song
@@oldheadtv3152Lovely day is such a great song to put on when it warms up outside.
I remember seeing this episode a while back. You should do one on Twista
That’s what I was saying
Hyde park is not a suburb it is literally the middle of Chicago south side
Right!!!
thank you! i said the same thing.
Can you do Kelis?
He did🤦♂️
@@pudgieification where??
This was personal 🤣
I've never seen this man post on someone twice lol
@@DulceDelusheHe just did recently with the Asher Roth episode. He'd done one already on Asher at least a year prior.
He wanted to say he is TRASH….
@@eugenescott559I thought that he was saying that about Vanilla Ice 😂😂😂
I'm actually a fan of Vic Mensa, I've always looked at him as a top MC from the 2010s, especially in Chicago. Along side Saba, Mick Jenkins, Chance, Joey Purp, etc etc.
I agree with the street take because, I'm from Markham which is south of Chicago. Hyde Park is a neighborhood that most people want to move to because of how safe and poppin' it is (I understand safe is subjective). I don't know Vic personally, but since the city is 3 degrees of separation, I could probably get close to him or hear stories about it. I've never heard nobody near me say, "he was one of them niggas." Like... Ever lol. So I can agree with you. But he could be thorough in everything he's talking about. Even squares are knowledgeable about street shit because of people or family members near them.
But I don't know why his music doesn't resonate because he's had songs that should've went up.
Plus him beefing with Chance didn't help, but they're back cool now.
I guess we'll never know.
Vic was the first of the new Chicago wave. Vic was buzzing prior to the drill movement.
CHINO XL stunted growth????
His trajectory went down when he said what he said about Pac, then Pac dissed him on ‘Hit Em Up’
Can you do morray next? His decline was swift💯
Bruh Morray had such a great start…idk what happened??
Damn that was fast.
@@jamardunson1258 Exactly 💯 dude was 🔥
It sank like his song, "Quicksand" LOL! J/K
i think it’s cuz they are not letting him drop his debut album
Such a personal attack. This was more like a hit then a review on an artist career
JC If You Need New People To Cover Just Say That Because You Did One On Him Already....
That’s what I was saying
Homie just repeating sh*t now, he doesn't even have too because there's a lot of artists who are stunted growths
Now I know for sure you’ve done a Vic Mensa video before. How many more repeat videos are you gonna do bruh.
Yes, he has, because I had asked him to do one. Because I remembered that I did. But I didn’t know that he didn’t like Vic Mensa
Vic Mensa was a Chi town born, Gemini rapper with a homies and crews that was starting to pop.
Had he stayed on the same trajectory artistically that he was on during INNATE, and records like “down on my luck”, he’d be a top teir rapper today.
Unfortunately he chased the game.
Confused his audience. Alienated a huge part of his base.
Thank you for this stunted growth story. You should do Smoothe Da Hustler next.
Yes!!
You should look into “XV” he was a Popular early 2010 rapper who had a good mixtape run and had songs with cole, Kendrick, etc he is really good in my opinion but took a hiatus.
I thought he was going to take off after he dropped Zero heroes mixtape.
really solid project 💯@@nelsonmoore2999
That dude's story breaks my heart, he was supposed to be on for real
So many from the blog era didn’t make it, plenty did.
XV had a legitimate chance and SHOULD be heavy in the game.
Listen to “Smallville” prod by Cole.
@@nelsonmoore2999man that was an amazing Mixtape
I seen him on the t.v. show The Chi and never knew he raps.
I seen him on Wild N Out a couple of times don't know much of his music but seen on The Chi also.
I knew him because they played a music video from him on mtv back in 2013 or 14 I believe I thought he would be huge but that didn’t happen
It’s crazy cuz I remeber listening to chance by me and my bro just typing rappers lol
Can you please do a video on Justin Timberlake, Azealia Banks, Alicia Keys, Mya, YoYo, Boyz II Men, Brian McKnight, Young M.A., YG, Will Smith, Lil Wop and Trippie Redd.
Over half those ppl u listed don't belong on a channel called 'stunted growth' but ok 😂
@@stee8345Naw bruh, they definitely do
Justin Timberlake? You crazy
Innanetape was actually a fire mixtape. Vic really had the flow but his mouth & moves ruined his come up.
Can you do FKA Twigs?
Was she ever on?
Hyde park is not a city in Illinois. It’s an affluent neighborhood in Chicago
O block is literally 10 mins away
@@CreedDjsupermanthat doesn’t mean anything every neighborhood got bad and good parts
Hold up man, didn’t you do a video on Vic Mensa before?! I swear to god that you you just did one. So what happened?!
That’s what I’m saying. That makes it seem a little bit personal
Sup man how about a crime mobb, frank ocean, melanie fiona, hotstylz episode/episodes?
Who?
He just told you who savage
@@oldheadtv3152 Ohhh Yeahhh dig it.
i swear man more than half the people he be doing these stories on i've never heard of🤔🤨
thats your fault lol
@@aldali724 What?! 😂😂😂
This video is ridiculous. Vic has obvious talent snd versatility you just hating for no reason
Another Vic?
As a fan of the savemoney him and chance was supposed to take the game over. I feel like Vic got in his own way it’s sad man. His 2020 album Vtape was the most authentic Vic we’ve seen in a long time.
How about Mr. Sancho? Lil Rob?
He has a great singing voice. Like on wolves
Well I think that you are wrong. His first album didn’t have Kanye West on it. The album that had Kanye West on it was Traffic. And that album was scrapped. I think that the reason why people couldn’t get into musically, was because not just that he wasn’t from the hood. But I think that he wasn’t marked right by Roc Nation. Because I had listened to a lot of his music before and he doesn’t talk about a lot of the street life like the way the other rappers from Chicago had. Plus, he wasn’t relatable to people because of how he grew up. His mother is White and his dad is Ghanaian. So he didn’t grow up the way a lot of Black people had grew up. So the Black people in the urban community didn’t know how to relate to him. And like I said before. It didn’t help that Roc Nation didn’t know how to make him relatable to the urban community
So many chances
Tour with Hov
Songs with Ye
How much more do you need?
there was a few facts that were off in this,
1. kanye feature wasn't his 2nd song, he had at least 2 tapes out prior to that 1 song, most notably INNANETAPE , the project that really served as a springboard for his solo career (which you didn't mention)
2. he's from the hyde park neighborhood in Chicago, not hyde park illinois, brutha. he is not from the suburbs of chicago. he is from the southside of chicago. kids these days; the "punk band" you refer to him being in is a product of the chicago public magnet school system.
so as far as him "trying to act like he's from chicago" argument kinda just falls flat in light of the actual facts.
i don't believe anyone who has actually listened to his music thinks he's trying make anything like chicago drill. he comes from a similar place, it still affects you no matter what. and he definitely touches on that.
you also didn't touch on the political raps either, which has a lot to do with chicago issues. the song 16 SHOTS???? off the tape called There's A Lot Going On
(which you also didn't mention) is about the murder of Laquan Mcdonald, a black man who was shot 16 times in the back by the chicago police.
to me vic is considered a legend in the city to people of my generation.
i just feel like you didn't truly listen to the music.
i can't deny that the more recent stuff has gone in more random directions, and that his career has definitely been mismanaged, i agree. but i feel like the reasons you give are very weak and frankly unfounded.
hope i didn't come off as aggressive, that is not the tone i'm taking as i type this, but am frustrated with the lack of proper research.
-peace
Can you do one on bronze Jfkay 😢
PEACE/ ISLAM/ SHALAWAM/ HOTEP. I don't normally comment. I'm an elder at this point ( 51) whose been raised off of HIP HOP. I had to say something bc you made a mistake twice. HYDE PARK IS IN CHICAGO. IT'S NOT A SUBURB OF CHICAGO. HYDE PARK HAS ITS NICE SIDE AND HOOD SIDE. ITS A NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE SE SIDE. THE REASON VM DOESN'T CONNECT WITH THE PEOPLE TOTALLY ( He has a couple of songs I like). IS HE CAME OUT TRYING TO BE SO LEFT OF CENTER. HYDE PARK IS LIKE NEW YORK. SO THE RAP ROCK THING DIDN'T CLICK. P.S. KEEP THINKING VM IS SOFT OF SOMETHING. THAT'S HOW HYDE PARK IS. DONT JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER. PEACE AND LOVE.
What about one for Mo Thugs?
I cringe every time he says "hyde park illinois" lol... Hyde Park is the name of a neighborhood on the south side of chicago. Vic is corny no doubt. But Hyde park is not a suburb; thats poor journalism. lol
The issue with Vic Mensa is he isn't sincere and people can see it loud and clear. If he was just himself and not pantomiming what is cool at that time, he could have built a following. Tyler The Creator is being a comparable example. He's an oddball and put that on display and people got into him.
thats a great point. and following your logic, vic **couldve** been marketed similarly to tyler. i consider them both talented oddballs lol.. your analysis was solid
I just think that he had too much anger and aggression in him at the time
This is a bit of a nitpick but "Hyde park, Illinois" doesn't really make sense. Hyde is a neighborhood in Chicago
Edit: oh hold up, you really think hyde park is a suburb lmao. Also im not really sure id call "kids these days" a punk band, its like a weird jazz hiphop rock fusion band.
He’s actually a good rapper but later on what made him go downhill even more was following trends with sounds with his music I was never a fan of him also him delaying his album too late killed his career
I like one song he has with Kayne
Do Dead Prez
What happened to them?
Not all of Chicago is hood. Hyde Park is a neighborhood in Chicago. Albeit, it’s an affluent neighborhood. But he is from Chicago. lol
This guy loves glorifying thugs and throws shade on guys who came from middle class families like if its a bad thing. You do realize people are more likely to succeed in life coming out a middle class family or neighborhood than from poverty right?
lol mans started hating from the first second. the fact that you think Drake is better at rapping that vic is laughable. also the jay Z and Pusha shots lol
Do Tory lanez next
I think that he had already done a video on Tory Lanez
5:36 Not being from Hyde Park that's not the hood! 🤣
Did u say pusha is a imitator?...reachin
Aw man, this one is long overdue! And don't worry, no one is a fan of Vic Mensa 😂
That’s not true, he has some fans. Maybe not as much as Drake, but there’re some people who like Vic Mensa
No wonder he do acting on TV RN
Tha Alkaholiks #StuntedGrowthMusic
Also, maybe he needed artist development at the time 🤷🏾♀️
I never got it. One min he cross dressing next min he a tough guy. I don’t get it.
MICK BEEN NICE!! DRINK MORE WATER!!
Drill music killed his career pretty much .
This dude sounds corny in the exact way he is describing here 😂
Amar'e stoudemire
His career started to fall when he dissed x after he died which was stupid asf because he has no place and no say in his situation especially when he’s been confirmed to do the same thing
Well, he had a mid career before he had dissed X. But after he had dissed XXXTentacion, people were mad at him. Then some to most people just stopped caring
But there have been some people who have been coming back to his music. But other people just either don’t care or don’t listen to rap music anymore
Pretentious.
Vic sucks
One of the corniest rappers of all-time! 🤷♀️