First time experiencing JINJER "Pisces" (Live Session) An in-depth VOCAL ANALYSIS
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- Опубліковано 21 лис 2023
- Join me for an in-depth vocal analysis! You've been telling me Jinjer's Tatiana Shmayluk was good, but I was not prepared for the tonal richness of her screams. Free Voice Lessons: chrisliepe.com/free-your-voice/
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Definitely rewatch the original video:
• JINJER - Pisces (Live ...
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My screams are guttural...but I have no cleans...I've Been smoking cigarettes since 4 and weed since 2...anyone who can sing check this out..im jealous...
OMG!
Thank you.
You explained her technique in a very simple way to understand how to engage the false chords.
Screaming is not growling FWIW. BIG difference.
From what I understand, Tatiana's insane depth and width come from a somewhat unique method that she developed, she actually opens the valve leading to her stomach, acting as an additional reverb chamber. I think she talked about it in an interview... wish i could find the link.
@@l337dtawoah I've never heard that before. That sounds intense! I'd love to see the link.
I love how you took it a step beyond analyzing her technique, and went so far as to use her example to teach mini-lessons to your viewers. It blows my mind that Tatiana is entirely self-trained. She's one of the best metal vocalists alive, backed by a ridiculously tight technical band.
I agree. Tatiana is so bright, we almost don't notice the band. But I did!
The live one take of Judgement and Punishment by Jinjer should be next😍
That is an awesome one take, and there is a cute kitty!
@@thoraxtheimpaloryeah, and the cat ain't bad either! 😉
Yes! One of my favorites!
Agree 100%
That would be a fascinating reaction!
Wow I'm actually really surprised that you hadn't done an analysis on this before! It's been such a popular video for vocal coaches on UA-cam haha.
I’m so glad you’re checking out this song! It’s turned into my go-to example for showing off female harsh vocals. Tatiana is fantastic!
Or harsh vocals in general. As the music isn't super heavy or fast or whatever it's a good piece to show to non-metalheads.
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She is certainly skilled, but don't you hear a similarity between this band and Opeth? Maybe just a little bit? Maybe a LOT?
@@russellspear6188Tatiana learned to scream using Opeth as her guide.
@@SteveSmith-os5bs That makes sense. I can tell this band likes Opeth a lot.
That short sizzle at "hook" when she sings "Searching for a hook to catch on" at 12:55 is crazy!
And the rest of that line "and see their sun beam", when she releases the air at the end, she does that quick and loud, accenting it. And then the echo hits shortly after *chef's kiss*
Details like these are what elevates artists to another level!
Exactly! These are the nuances that make Tatiana so irresistible to me. Every song is loaded with unreal levels of detail.
Jinjer - Pisces (Live Session)
Jinjer - Perennial (Live At Wacken 2019)
Jinjer - Pit of Consciousness (Live in Kiev)
Jinjer - On The Top (Live in Kiev)
Jinjer - Who Is Gonna Be The One (Official Live)
Jinjer - Judgement & Punishment (Tatiana One Take Vocal)
Jinjer - Teacher Teacher (Official Video)
Jinjer - Captain Clock (Live at Resurrection Fest 2018)
Jinjer - Cloud Factory (Official Video)
Jinjer - Outlander (failure .color Video)
Jinjer - No Hoard of Value (Official Lyrics Video)
Jinjer - I Speak Astronomy (Official Video)
Jinjer - Vortex (Official Video)
Jinjer - Wallflower (Official Video)
Jinjer - Mediator (Official Video)
Jinjer - Disclosure (Official Video)
Jinjer - Call Me A Symbol (Official Video)
Jinjer - Live At Wacken 2023
Definitely check out Perennial live from Wacken. It's toward the end of their set and she's definitely winded when she's speaking but once she starts singing and screaming she sounds great. She has fantastic breath control and a great stage presence. The entire band is insanely talented.
Good afternoon from New England...I assumed you'd already done Jinjer lol...Her voice has matured and taken on new dimensions since this vid came out....Do the JUDGEMENT AND PUNISHMENT ONE TAKE VOCAL... It's just Tatiana in a vocal booth 🤘🧐✌️
Another great one take performance from her is the "judgement and punishment" video.
Will and Tatiana should totally do a collaboration ❤
I'm sure someone's already mentioned this, but even though she gets all the attention relating to this song, it was actually filmed to highlight the talent of their new drummer.
It just never gets old =D
"She has such a soft, smooth, velvety...."
Tatyana: "SCALE ARMOUR BLAAAAAZE!!!"
edit: Silliness aside, welcome to this particular rabbit hole. I assume that by the time you read this comment, you've read a hundred other comments saying you should really react to "Teacher Teacher", "Perennial live at Wacken 2019", vocal one take of "Judgement & Punishment" and likely also some for "Vortex" and "Home Back". I'm not saying you should react to all of them on camera, but I can only tell that you're missing out if you've not heard them. Pisces isn't fully representative of the band's capabilities. As a band, they are very tight, yet also versatile, which I've come to consider quite rare lately.
Heeeheee exactly
I recently saw them live for the first time. Seeing her switch in person is a GIFT!
Your tutorial on growling is just superb! Thanks :)
I love this group.
She is such a powerhouse of stage presence. You really need to see some of their actually live audience stuff. She owns the stage, like to the level of Robert Plant. Just exudes confidence and charisma. And the band is tight AF. Vlad (drums) and Eugene (Bass) especially are infinitely underrated.
I couldn't agree more! But the very fact you didn't mention Roman is illustrative to me of how he's even more underrated than Eugene or Vlad lol. Roman is the secret weapon! 😉
@@ericpeterson7512 Fair point. But Roman's part has been self described as modest by both him and Eugene. They talked about how the new album coming out finally features some strong guitar focused stuff. I'm definitely not trying to sell Roman short, I just feel like there has already been content from Vlad and Eugene worthy of world class respect. But your point is taken.
@@saltydroog854 Interesting. "Modest" eh? That's humble. I'm not sure I'd describe Roman's contributions as modest. Maybe compared to what he COULD do... Yikes, that's a truly scary thought! As far as I'm concerned his rhythm work is so amazing he doesn't even need to play leads. Have you watched his playthrough videos?? The man is a rhythm monster! I mean his right hand speed picking is like "James Hetfield hold my beer." I compare his chord selection with Alex Lifeson of Rush, and that's about as good of company as you can be in for that thing.
Like I said, Roman Abramkhalilov is way underrated. If he brings even more to the table on the next album, it will be time for everyone in the world to learn how to pronounce his last name!
@@ericpeterson7512 I do agree with you. And I think it's fair that I shouldn't have excluded him from my original point. But in this case I'm going off of an interview I saw with Eugene and Roman where they talked about thus far having not really done anything that features stand out guitar work. Perhaps they are speaking in the context of what his potential is, and it's also a 3rd language for them, so it was probably not put as eloquently as possible. But they made the point to say that this all changes with the new album, it's heavy on the guitar work.
I think I just mean that to a layperson, Vlad and Eugene instantly stand out as exceptional...especially Vlad, and Eugene does a lot of neck tapping and has an instantly recognizable sound. I just don't think Roman has had the opportunity to stake such claims.
But you are right. They are all exceptional musicians. And they all could not possibly be given enough credit for what they do as a band. The fact that there aren't all these self glorified solos is incredible to me, rather they play as a singular unit and equal something far greater than the sum of their individual parts.
@@saltydroog854 agreed 100%. I'm kinda a guitar solo guy. I love lead guitar. Jinjer is the first band where I kinda don't miss it. I'm super stoked to hear Roman will do even more on the upcoming album though! I agree, he hasn't yet fully made his mark. He's the least talked about member of Jinjer. I really love his work so far. He clearly has amazing skills. We've caught glimpses of soloing ability. I can't wait to see what emerges!
Vortex, Wallflower, Perennial live at Wacken, Judgement and Punishment one take vocal, Teacher Teacher, Disclosure. Mediator and Sit Stay Rollover for two more aggressive tracks.
How did you miss the most viral reaction video ever? Lol Tatiana is a beast. What sets her apart (aside from her crazy lows) is how much versatility she brings in her cleans as well. To me the mark of an excellent modern metal vocalist is not only being able to transition between singing/screaming but also being able to carry a song fully with either one. Tati sings during heavy sections as well and is able to match the intensity through her belts, and then kick in the growls for even more brutality. A great example of her high belt voice is on “Cloud Factory,” absolutely incredible vocal delivery. There’s a great older live video of “Who’s Gonna Be the One” which is great to listen to if you think this is the lowest she can go. ;)
You hit the nail on the head! The mark of a truly good modern metal singer is the ability not only to sing beautifully and scream like a demon, but switch seamlessly between them, and carry a full song with either. Tatiana is unexcelled in her mastery of this IMO.
Or even lower, Home Back.
But that's a song that needs to be taken with the backstory first. It has a message.
@@JariJuslin The lowest Tati can go is between Colossus and Home Back for me. I can't decide which one is lower, though both are fierce.
The best guide for someone who don't no shit about the art of singing. Great job giving out the points and so. You got a sub!
Great reaction. Wonderful and insightful commentary. Tatiana is so varied and she sings with such groove and swing. Jinjer as a whole is such a balanced band, and all 4 of them work as single unit, without ego to create complete songs. Be sure to check out "Perennial" live at Wacken, "Judgement and Punishment" one take and "Teacher, Teacher". Hope to see more
First of all i write this comment before watching the video. I didn't realize that i haven't seen you react to this video yet even though i've watched hundrets of reactions of this video.
Pretty excited what you think about😁
I'm sure you can imagine Elizabeth's face on her first Jinjer encounter (this video)😮.🤯
Great analysis. It's true that is one aspect of the technique. It's a little like a synthesizer producing a static unpitched sound and then using a filter to shape the resulting sound light or dark or similar to a trumpet mute although in that case it's a pitched sound. Regarding the delay that is something some beginning engineers are not aware of. The pitch smearing effect from a relatively short delay and a descending note can make an impact on the feel of the vocal if the right delay interval is chosen for the given note slide.
If you like this one you will really like their video Judgement and Punishment One Take Vocal. The camera is on her the entire time for that one. Also Perennial Live at Wacken Open Air is an excellent example of how she does all this on stage.
As a person who cannot sing a single tone I am in awe of anyone with this ability. Our music teacher in primary school let me sit under the piano in order to prevent me from singing a single note with the rest of the class. I am also tone deaf and color blind. When I go to the Big Gig in the Sky I am going to ask why some of us are sent to earth with no talent at all and are expected to live a productive life. Despite my challenges I did take classical guitar lessons for 2 years before being advised to give it up. I admire each and every person who can sing.
I've watched so many Jinger reactions, and I have to say, they will never get old! 😆
I have, due to pure ridiculousness, been interpreting "sigh" as yawn. For months. I watched you sigh in this video and I was like, "Why is he sighing when he said to sigh... oh."
So yeah, I saw a pretty big and immediate improvement in my singing today.
Should dive into the Judgement and Punishment live take by them as well. Its amazing
There is a piece ideal for your indepth analyseys: Judgment and Punishment one take vocal by Tatiana. It's an excellent and joyful piece of art :)
Tati said in an interview that she did do some post doubling on the vocals. But that doesn't take anything away from this still being a live recording. Like nothing done in post enabled/affected her impressive vocals.
Now were talking 🤘
the part where she hits that high note when she sings "see the sun beam" always gives me chills
the best thing about her is she has no formal training at all... a completely self taught genius...
one could make a career out of analyzing Tatiana....you have done her justice with your breakdown but understand & be forwarned: this is just the tip of the Jinjer ice berg as there is SOOO much more to be seen & heard by this criminally underrated band...
Word!
Chris I couldn’t begin to tell you on the impact you’ve had on both my singing, and screams, and the countless people I’ve given that exact sigh tip you’ve mentioned. Thanks a ton, Happy Thanksgiving to you, and everyone else that celebrates! - ColSeth
" What a wonderfully, velvety, textured voice she has." Famous last words. XD
Awesome reaction and welcome to Jinjer!
She's the best
In five seconds I learned a lot more about screaming than they teach in extreme vocal schools. Thank you.🤝 (Because the teachers may be fools too (JINJER - Teacher, Teacher))
She does use a backing track for harmonies and doubling in live performances...they aren't quite big enough to employ session singers, and quite frankly, it's her voice we want to hear, not a session singer's.
Welcome to Jinjer. Great analysis. I think you would really enjoy "Judgement and Punishment" (One take vocal performance). (Subbed)
I love your videos so much Chris!!!
Great reaction/review! You should check out Jinjer live shows like Perennial live at Wacken 2019 and Who is Gonna be the One live from Atlas those really show her talent. I hope to see more Jinjer reviews from you!
Seconded!
This is absolutely the best and most interesting song I've heard in many years. See how she's placing her tounge down and back when she doesn the growls. It allows for more resonance and depth. She's truly technical. I've never seen (heard) anything like this, and I love it!
Anyway - after being in a studio for most of my life - there is a bit of post production going on here. The guitar has been dubbed and the vocals have been dubbbed as well. But the BASE song is recorded live. Effing good drummer, by the way.
Good analysis of the post
The video is lip-synced to the studio recording, it's not live, despite what the title of the video says. Just clearing that up. They got a new drummer and put this video out to promote it, but the vocal is clearly the same track as the album version. The drum part has changed and some added backing vocals, but playing them over each other that's all I can tell that's different - but it is the definitive version I think, the drum part is miles better.
There are lots of live videos of Jinjer online though and they're extremely good, so I'm not insinuating they can't 'do it live'. One of my favourite bands atm.
@@iantellam9970the major addition being the clean mixed belt on "searching for a hook to catch on, and see the sunbeam."
@@ericpeterson7512 I mean that's there on the album, just that the growl is higher in the mix.
@@iantellam9970 Right you are! I guess it had been longer than I thought since I'd heard the original album version. And she doesn't do the high belt live.
I love watching the teachers/reactors that get excited by certain things a singer is doing. Not just watching and commenting but getting into it, analyzing not because they have to but because they are fascinated by the sound. You, sir, are now one of my favorites to watch along with Charismatic Voice.
spectacular breakdown and analysis Chris.
you and only 1 other person have been able (that Ive come across) to give an in depth explanation and example of her technique along with a pure appreciation of it.
that other person is *the fairy voice mother* from a couple years ago.
Thank you for that clear progressive demo of how the scream is done.
Found your channel through the Ado reactions! Great stuff man, both entertaining and educational. I'd love to see you analyze Rainer Landfermann's vocals (formerly Bethlehem on Dictius te Necare) and/or Mikael Åkerfeldt (of Opeth and early Bloodbath fame). The former's very expressive growling unlike any other I've heard, and the latter for his unreal vocal depth. Would be very interested to know how the hell they do what they do.
and old but good hobby of watching jinjer reactions especially this song
Jinjer one of the best metal bands ive heard in years - so refreshing and left field mix of styles. Vortex is one my favs - the composition is just outstanding
Tatiana is amazing. I really like jinjer.
Chris, you opened the doors of vocals for me. Now I can't imagine myself without it. It's so nice to see your videos again. Thank you!
Great Video from Jinjer, great React from Chris again 👍Thank you 😁
thanks for the vid! really enjoyed it
I was waiting for this since the day I discovered you (probably around a year?)!! Thank you so much. You analysis and hints are phenomenal, by FAR the best I've ever seen. You're a treasure. Much love Chris! ❤🔥
The best video analysis of this band so far I've ever watched
I never get sick of this song or seeing people watch it for the first time. Just incredible.
Love the wisdom you share
very good explained! I like it!
This reaction was excellent 🤘💪
BADASS critique --
TYVM
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GREAT Review! One of the better Pisces reactions I have watched...which is no longer easy to count. You have a great voice yourself.
The entire band is fantastic, very talented and made for each other. I have a drum crush on Vlad.
Most of us discovered Jinjer because of Tati's growls and screams, but for me personally, you hit on exactly why I got hooked....the texture and variation within Tatiana's clean vocals. Breathy, velvety, almost jazzy at many points, sometimes Gwen Stefani playful in tone. Lots of vocal slides. And a great mixed voice belter as well. You should do either the Judgement & Punishment One Take (listed below) to see just Tati up close in a recording booth doing a true one-take vocal performance with a bikini top on so you can see her throat and chest to get a better view of her vocal production. Or go to Perennial Live at Wacken to see how great her physical presence is in a live performance. She is one of the best frontmen I have ever seen live over many genres over 35 years. Just a killer on stage.....the whole band brings it in spades.
Finally, TheFairyVoicemother has speculated that singers like Tati and Courtney (Spiritbox) who maintain strength singing with their true vocal chords in their lower notes/register indicates they likely have thick vocal chords....and that often ties into having a larger larynx...which means their might be more room within their throats for air to move around during vestibular chord engagement. Which is how they are able to sustain their deep growls for a long time. This video doesn't show Tati's really long growls or banshee scream.
I have subscribed. Keep on rocking the good reviews!
JINJER - Judgement (& Punishment) - Tatiana Shmayluk - One Take Vocal Performance
JINJER - Perennial (Live at Wacken Open Air 2019) | Napalm Records
yes! thank you so much, this really helped me out in my own vocal practice!
I've been waiting for sooooooooooooooooooo long for a Jinjer analysis omg
Finally! I was hoping you'd do a analysis of this song some day! 🥳
Amazing song and always fun watching someone hear it for the first time. Very interesting analysis of technique too. Thanks.
Dude your love for this stuff is so infectious and I've had a complete blast working through these videos and your courses. Never stop. :)
OMG I waited for so long to this moment! Tatiana Shmayluk has such a great vocal technique that I think we will be hearing more of it. I like to say that she has the absolute vocal range. She was the first female metal singer that deeply impresed me back then in 2015
This was the best how to/explanation on screaming vs singing I've ever heard, bravo!! I get it now!
Thanks for very useful insights Chris. Tanya is a legend!
I’ve watched at least 30 of these types of videos and you’re the only one who explained how she’s making these sounds. Great Stuff! I liked and subscribed
2:19 you alright there buddy? 😂😂😂
DUUUDE! So much goodness here! My new fav! From the legendary awesomeness of the video, to the great analysis and tips, to the requisite fun reaction to the contrasts, to the usual insightful comments from the Jinjer Army!
I've been seeing your videos and intending to take your courses. This video clinches it for me. Liked, subbed, commented, and going for the first course now! I've been working on my harsh vocals ever since I first heard David Draiman go "ah-WAA-AA-AA-AH!" on Down With the Sickness lol. I have to sing clean all night, so I've always known I had to go about it properly or risk losing it all. I've eased my way into it intuitively. Much like Tatiana, only not nearly so cool and awesome 😂. Walking around the house making noises like a lunatic. I've seen others break it down and give some good advice, but your instruction finally gives me what I believe I need to really progress with this harsh vocal thing.
I love everything about this! Can't wait to get started on the courses!
This is easily the best reaction video to this song because it's the only one where the reactor actually understands what is happening and can demonstrate it. Miles better than all the bigger accounts reacting that, while highly entertaining, have no idea how to actually analyze the technique.
New subscriber here and I gotta say I love your reaction!! Teacher, Teacher is another amazing song!! Can't wait to see what you react to next by Jinjer 🎉❤
Damn good reaction Channel, my man
I’ve bought your classes a couple years ago when I left my old vocal coach and I learned more with your classes than I eve did with my old coach where I paid a lot kf mibey for one on one classes in person and my voice is so much better. But I have been out of practice for a while due to a lifestyle move and change and after just seeing the video you had uo. I have to get myself and my vocals back. And better. I released. One single. But scince then I’ve written 5 new songs and I want my vocals in too shape beofre relasibg then! I’m really inspired to get them back in full shape !
So here's the the thing: I was absolutely convinced you had checked out Jinjer before, it felt like this is a "ah well he has to check out _that_ song by them as well, sure" moment, especially since you're well familiar with all things growling. So I was genuinely surprised (and delighted, of course!) when I realized that this was in fact your very first experience of Tati, Vlad, Roman, and Eugene. For further vocal analysis their One Take Vocal of "Judgement & Punishment" is a stellar example, if you'd like to experience how tight the band performs check out the music video of "Teacher Teacher", and "Perennial (live at Wacken" and (if you dare) "Who's gonna be the one (live)" are great examples of what they sound like in concert.
One of the best bands I've ever seen live. Excellent song choice, Chris!
My guilty pleasure is watching reactions to this song. I watched a dozen vocalists react to this by now. You did the best job by far.
I am not a vocalist, but now I feel like I learned so much, I need to start training.
13:09 i love it how you totally went Steve Irwin on that one 😂😁
you should check out Face Yourself, i like the song Guillotine, genuinely their vocalist is insanely talented and in some ways reminds me of Will Ramos but female
I second this
Would also like to see his reaction to Yasmine!!! (vocalist)
wow wonderfull stuff
It's been a while since the Gojira analysis but i want to see your perspective on them again after working with Will Ramos and Lauren Babic
Global Warming or Inferno live ins studio video might be a good one
You rock! You under rock! :P
This song is so beautiful.
Love your breakdowns. Would be nice if you could make the best singer of our time "Lisa", Fist take "Homura" or "Gurenge" would be nice :)
I think it might be spelled “Jinjer” 😁
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Fixed :)
I think the live performances of Perennial (Wacken), Pit of Consciousness (Kiev) and Judgment and Punishment (one-take) would be good ones to do.
Love that TCV (Eliz Z) didn't warn u...first rx to the growl is why I watch rx to this video...
Love your videos! As a female whose trying to song aggresive this is so helpful. Love the insight you give on the technique
Good luck with the aggressive vocals! You can do it!
I absolutely love this track. Could watch all the coach videos on it.🖤
I'm so thankful I found your channel! I'm a drummer, but I'm wanting to get into vocals. I'm especially wanting to get into metal/screaming, so I'm going to look into your courses for sure. Not to mention I'm a HUGE fan of both Spiritbox and Lauren Babic!
Same! I'm a bassist and singer. Looking forward to the courses!
You must like Morgan Rose of Sevendust. That dude can play and scream like a mofo! His theatrical playing style is super impressive live. I'm a huge fan.
Not to mention the amazing skill of her band. They are all incredible!
I was listening to Jinjer on my way home from work today and thought, “I wonder if Chris Liepe has reacted to “Pisces” yet?” (I’m a new subscriber. I’ve seen certain breakdowns so far.) Imagine my joy and surprise when I saw this. Just 3 weeks ago. I love this guy! 😊
Welcome to the Jinjer rabbit hole. The band makes all of the other bands out there look like beginners
Next you got to do JINJER - Perennial (Live at Wacken Open Air 2019) | Napalm Records
I'm new subscriber from Poland and I'm loving Your reactions, and vocal analysis of Ado and also Jinjer. If You want another great performance of Tatiana from Jinjer I suggest Teacher, teacher.
Brilliant! This song is so great that it did not matter how I sound, I recorded my growl anyway! And I feel am on a right course! Mainly thanks to You, Chris :)
Grabs popcorn, these never get old 😂
I love seeing people get their 🤯 by Tatiana. She is my Siren and my Succubus ! \m/❤\m/
"working with Lauren Babic" aaaaaaand subscribed. Love her so much!
Lauren is great! Check out the course we did together!