This Piece of Metal Can Make or Break Your Offset Smoker
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For anyone interested: this is a video where I show all the features of the pit, including the scoop. ua-cam.com/video/uqyeAo5Ij4A/v-deo.html
Any reason why you did not show the scoop on the 1000?
Can we see the scoop?
@@CraftyZA it’s in the video linked in this comment. The footage of the scoop was edited out of this video by mistake.
I‘ve got a picture of both maplewood metalworks scoop and my throat on my 500 on the gram as well. Good stuff man!
What do you think of the new Goldees offset smoker?
Would have been helpful to see the scoop :)
Was gonna say the same
That’s what I was waiting on the whole time
You can see the scoop at 2m 39s of the video where he announces the smoker.
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@@RaistlinMPPnot all hero’s wear capes.
So I have been considering building my own smoker, and I was considering all these questions because I've heard many people talk about hot spots. I had finally concluded to do a scoop type system because it logically made the most sense. But it was really good to hear your scientific approach and comparison of the different designs. Definitely gives me some more food for thought.
I have a plate in my 250 like the Franklin and I love it... the scoop sounds even better.. I saw the goldies smoker design recently and wonder how that would preform on a 1000 gallon.
I always wondered, watching all the "deflector/reverse flow/diffuser gadgets" on horizontal smokers, why this was so tough a problem to solve. Makes sense. Well not yet with me hanging meat in a WSM, but if I ever go this route, I will remember this. Thanks!
Check out the Horizons convection plate. They are designed to be slid in the chamber and you can dial in the heat across the smoker. In my smoker the convection plate is 1.25" from the hellmouth and it will hold temps evenly. If you what it hotter on side just slide the plate.
I just made a scoop like this for my Old Country Brazos and it really does even out the temps and give you ALL of the cook grate to safely cook on. Mine isn’t welded in, it’s about the height of the grate rail so it rests in there and can be removed. Watching this video again, I’m glad I haven’t actually welded it in because now I can remove it when I feel like cooking anything on that top rack like wings. You’ve taught me a ton on running an offset and smoking meat, thank you for the science and the knowledge you’ve shared!
I built my own 120 gallon pit and used a left over piece of plate as a baffle but its shaped like a trapezoid with the larger side at the fire box. It seems to work well but the scoop sounds like it would work better for mine too. Also always love seeing the experiments that you do and the tips and tricks you find to show us!!
Same here, made a big difference. I think blocking the radiant heat was just as important and directing the hot gas straight up.
I initially built my 330 gallon without a diffusing plate. The fire would blast anything next to the firebox. I added a thick piece of 3/5" to the side of the grate rack on a slight angle so the top was slightly closer to the firebox opening. it has helped to evenly distribute the air flow across the bottom rack.
After watching your channel for multiple years, I finally decided to buy an offset and went with the LSG Texas Edition, which has the scoop. It has been an awesome cooker and I haven’t had any issue burning my food. The only trouble I occasionally have is getting food to finish quickly, I spent ~7 hrs on some spare ribs. This may just be a result of me being new to offset cooking but any tips would help, and I definitely recommend the smoker!
Yes. You are 100% correct. Hot gases go up. Why fight physics? With the design you described, the heat ‘rains’ down upon the meat, then moves out the exhaust pipe. Further, the damper adjustment you mentioned allows just enough back pressure to even out the temperature across the grate. Applying these concepts, I have a lowly Oklahoma Joe ‘Longhorn’ working super good. You are giving your viewers valuable information. Thank you.
You mentioned LSG smokers... You're correct. Their baffles direct the heat up to the top grate area. I place my water pan in the upper right as a barrier to that heat. The lower right grate location becomes the true low and slow smoking location. Very nice, well-made smokers.
it definitely makes sense, might also be a fun project for the summer
Thanks for including the bloopers, makes my week. Keep it up.
After owning multiple styles of offsets my favorite is the reverse flow method. The Shirley reverse flows are incredible.
I put a large baffle like the Brazos has in my homebuilt smoker, but I'm encouraged to fab a scoop and give this a try. Thanks for highlighting this alternative technique to managing airflow and convective heat!
Thought the same thing
I am getting ready to start making offset smokers here in San Diego ca. thanks for confirming my idea I had for the baffle. Definitely going to be doing them in the same manner.
i have a tiny 1/4" offset and i grabbed a big baffle with holes like you showed to try and kill/manage my temps. its definitely helped me in the short term because of all that thermal mass helps me manage the fire easier and has balanced my hot spots. my problem is the smoker isnt that long so any hot spot really kills my ability to cook alot on it. 2 large briskets would put 1 of them basically on the hot spot without it. im probably sacrificing convection and air flow, but theres always a compromise.
This does have me thinking though and experiments will need to be done!
This is great. Thanks for showing the different baffles. I've only been smoking for a year or so, but I've always been "baffled" (don't block me 😂) as to why the smoke and heat gets sent down or out instead of up. I'm making a smoker now and will definitely be using this method on my new pit. Thanks for the video.
Very helpful... Totally makes since and understood. I am assuming that you are going to add this scoop to your 1000 gal pit?? And the BBQ journey had to be a blast. It was great to see it on your, Chudd and Joe Yim's channels. You all need to plan something similar next year.
Did I miss something? I saw all the baffles you don't like, but I didn't see the scoop one that you do like? 16 minutes and no payoff.
4 minutes of ticket selling
We all would love to hear your take on Goldees' new design with their backyard offset smoker. Design looks great and the concept is interesting. Would love to see your opinion after using it some day.
Came here to say this…
This
I want to see the scupe.
I want to see this scoop?
Great video. I have a brazos old country offset smoker. I broke the spot welds on the sides of the baffle. Lifted it to 90 degrees and left it in place. Really helped with controlling the hot spots and air flow. I have learned so much from you. Thank you so much.
I removed mine, put it in the grate and added a shelf to raise the cooking area up about 3". I went as far as making mock briskets out of flour and water when I was testing but I have considered putting mine back at 90 degreesb again so I don't have to use the shelf.
@@All2Skitzdnot sure I understand your post about the baffle and mock brisket
I have a Pecos. I have four thermometers, at food level in the lid, equally spaced. I used two 12"x12" tuning plates in the bottom of the chamber. At any temperature between 200°F and 275°F, my cooler is within 5°F all the way across, the food cooks evenly, the color and smoke level is the same for everything.
There's a foil lasagna pan I fill with water on the plate closest to the firebox.
It maintains temp on reasonable fuel for four hours, in weather below 60°F, I use a welding blanket, and can maintain 275°F for more than 4 hours with no work or additional fuel.
I have a diffuser plate, but I also added a downspout to the chimney right at the grate level so the heat & smoke rises and then gets pulled down across the top. Works great for me, but I’ll take this into consideration when it’s time to upgrade.
Ok saw this when it came out and had 2 Briskets to cook on an old country pecos ... well I wish I would have been able to make this mod before would of saved a lot of time and energy due to space on grill to use without burning ... just used for 1st time with deflector plate up and WOW 3/4+ of the grill space is now available ... doing a rack of spare ribs and the results are amazing .. extended stack and deflector up all heat at about 4 inches from fire box on grate rest is good to cook on, holding temps 10 degree difference from hot side to stack side and ribs cooked fabulous NO BURNT BOTTOM ...juicy tender ... this is a must for anyone trying to maximize grill space on a Pecos Smoker Thanks Jeremy this works on backyard smokers too..
Would love to hear the throughts on the scoop vs the goldee's backyard design with the "scoop" directly from the firebox vs within the tank
No wonder my old country cooks weird I'm commenting on this 2 days after I watched the video I cut that baffle thing out and flipped it over where it points the fire up and it cooks great now thank you man. Would love to have some q with you sometime
I'd love to see you review LoneStarGrillz pits, as I've had my eye on their Large Insulated Cabinet, Pellet Smoker, and their offsets for some time.
I did that by accident. I got an antique wood stove that I used for my fire box that has a baffle plate in it. I decided to leave it in and fire it. Glad I did. The smoke across that grill is amazing. Mine is a 120 gallon offset.
I built my own smoker and added this scoop plate to deflect the radiant heat, and it works a treat even temps all across the grate right to the firebox. ❤
Superb i added this thinking and plate to the smoker i just built.
I feel like I love your content way more when its just you being you in vlog content, I love the straight forward scripted feeling instruction but when your personality shows through its great content.
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Pretty sure the Outlaw pits have the scoop exchange system on them if I remember right. Been toying with the idea of trying that exchange design on one of my 80 gallon builds. Might have to now!!
I'd like to see that baffle system
Thanks for the visual
Thank you for this great video which shows that all smokers are not created equal. The scoop baffle is the most important part of your 1000-gallon offset, as it shields the cook chamber from the radiant heat (hot spot control) and creates top-down cooking (proper fat render). You wisely pointed out that many backyard offsets on the market today have tuning plates that essentially turn the smoker into a bottom-up cooking oven with restricted air and smoke flow. Keep these smoker design videos coming, as hopefully it will lead to better smoker design in the future.
Hey Jeremy, you’re definitely right here. The competition side of bbq has been utilizing this for a long time if you go back and look at how long jambo pits have been utilizing the same scoop idea up through all the other companies now like jay craig and outlaw smokers out of Indiana. Then we utilize that 100 degree hotter top shelf to really break down fat if you need it or set sauce or whatever. Cool to see you as a more restaurant style cook enjoy the same thing that the comp cooks dig to just feed six people on a weekend.
I added a baffle to my smoker. I have noticed that it acts like a big ol' heat sink and requires quite a bit more time and fuel to come up to temp. This scoop design sounds intriguing.
In my offset, instead of a metal baffles, I am using 4'x8'x2' fire bricks that covers the middle of the cooking chamber below the cooking grill, but not completely on the sides so smoke and heat can come up. Temperature is now equal from one side to the other of the cooking area, and heat that comes up is convecting the meat on the top. Another great plus that using these bricks brings is lowering the fuel needs as they radiate back heat when the fire goes down a little - exactly why we put firebricks into a wood stove to protect it and to allow less fuel usage.
This has completely changed the way I think about how an offset works. I been building a 90gallon reverse flow (old air tank) now I think I'll make it switch back and forth and see wich I prefer. Well said! Thank you as always!
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@@Steve-cu1ye negative I like to play
I don't know where you are at in your build, but, "smoker builder frank" recently did a video about how smoke flows thru the smoker. His explanation made complete sense to me. I have been in the process of designing the rebuilding/replacement my very burnt out fire box and I am also intrigued by the Goldees hybrid design but I want the fire box open to the front, not the end. It's taking some Frankenstein designing and I have no idea how it will ultimately cook, but I'm hoping, and hoping{!}, it will be better than what I using now! I have a 16x32x1/4 cook chamber, it's small and challenging, but I've been able to make it work in the past. Rust is a killer!
I built my 250 gal offset with this exact design except a square firebox! Love it it allows me to use almost every square inch of grates.
@@MadScientistBBQ_ saw your comment. What’s up?
Last year I removed the baffle in my Old Country Wrangler (not the tin can Wrangler 2) and it made a big difference in not having that hot spot on the bottom in the middle. The smoker works much better now.
I just bought an Old Country Wrangler (series 1 not 2). Was just wondering if I should remove the shield altogether, guess it does better huh?
So you don't use the welded shield nor the rock grate from your firebox inside the cook chamber? Your cook side runs empty of all baffles/shields?
I originally removed the lower firebox rack & put it in my cook side for a baffle. Dropped its fire boxes top rack down to hold wood/charcoal/fire.
Actually this did okay?
Just popped the shields two welds on the side nearest to my stack to raise my shield a few inches?
Q. Remove my bottom charcoal grate (baffle) I moved over?
Q. Anyone just drill big holes in their shield before removing it altogether on a Wrangler?
Q. Best to just remove shield & baffle & let her flow balls to the wall Im sure..lol
Q. I have a Joe fire basket, is it better to use it or not? Thanks All, sorry for all the questions. Big step up from my p.o.s tin can Char-broiler, I rarely used it cause it sucked so bad.
I think this is my first time commenting on a UA-cam video. I am an amateur smoker, I have a crappy char-griller offset, but I have made good food. Heat management is so hard with this thing, I stacked some bricks inside it to mimick this wall till I could find out if it would work. One brisket and a couple chickens in, this works great on my tiny smoker. When I finally build one I will use this!
I attended your kansas city event and actually spoke with the gentleman who built this 1000 gal out and he pointed that out to me. Went home and did this to my old country pit and it works beautifully, highly recommend.
Are you running any type of water pan or anything with your modification? On my Old Country I removed the baffle but I have a water pump above the outlet.
@Doug Schriefer I've done it both ways and it's actually more even temps with no pan.
Who makes this pit? He never mentions it. And I still don't know what the deflector looks like. Lol
I have seen that same system in Jambo Pits that Jeremy is talking about, with the scoop at the opening of the firebox to cook chamber.
Another great video. Cheers.
If you get a chance I would check out a Lonestar Grillz (LSG). I have a 20x36 LSG and it has a baffle with an opening at the top and bottom. Not sure they all have that, but I find it works very well.
Great video, there is a brand in the UK called Cactus Jack that has this exact system, but it uses a ceramic half moon stone to achieve this, it cooks very evenly
I was just there at BBQHQ and you were giving a class outside. It would have been great to meet you, I’ll keep an eye out for your bbq class in California. Take and keep those excellent videos coming 👍🏼
Jeremy. I got a lone star 20x42. I’m not sure it’s exactly like a scoop but does let heat out at the top and believe or not circulates the smoke in the cook chamber and let’s cool smoke back into the firebox. Happy to let you cook on it sometime if you want content. It’s a great little smoker.
Was going to say the same. I have the same 20x42 LSG offset. Very consistent temperatures across the cooking grate horizontally presumably related to the “scoop”
That's exactly what I did with my homemade 1/4" 125gal offset. I used it several times without the scoop, I called it a 'block' because its goal was to block the radiant heat of the fire, and I had problems with the bottoms of brisket getting hard/burned. So I used a piece of 1/4" plate to blast the gasses straight up, block the crazy-hot radiant, and now she runs like a dream.
That's exactly what I did.
I decided to try your idea. I have a backyard sized pit 40x20 made of 1/4 welded steel. I bought some ceramic fiber insulation board and cut a half circle to fit as a heat directing scoop. Today I’m gonna run a biscuit test and see how even it’s cooking. Only thing I’m concerned of is my stack comes in up higher in the cook chamber so maybe I’ll need to modify the stack to enter down lower at the grate.
When I built my smoker, I made the cooking grate even with the middle of the firebox opening. I thought it was too high but this video changed my mind.
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Designed my reverse flow and had someone fabricate it for me. It works great and was a fun thing to do. Now I wish I could change some things. :)
I love the idea of a scoop matched with a stack that exits low in the barrel.
just in general, the tank size/length can have a considerable difference, especially when the stack is closer to the firebox. Heat is energy, and how it functions and works in a given area, and how it can be manipulated will be different from one size cook chamber to another. Is my thinking correct?
Jeremy, hope you see this. I JUST purchased a new Brazos, super excited. But the baffle I noticed on mine is adjustable up and down. As I’m typing this, I’m not sure if it’s also removable, but I will check. If it’s not removable, does an adjustable baffle make it better, or do you still recommend removing it?
Jeremy...Please do a review of a standard offset to a reverse flow. I would really like to see the results and get your opinion.
I have OK Joe offset smoker and figured out how to manage the heat. Now when I use it I seem to get good results.
Video Idea - what should you do to get your equipment ready for the cookout season (cleaning, maintenance, inspections, etc..)
I don’t know 💩 from shinola, but why not just bring the firebox heat in at the top of the cook chamber? 🤷♂️
I have that exact Yoder model. I took the tuner plate out. The infrared radiation from the plate burns the bottom of meat.
Just so happens this is exactly what I made for my home smoker. It works very well!
Take a look at the Lonestar Grillz 20” smokers. They have a similar baffle. It’s amazing and produces extremely even temperatures throughout the bottom rack. The top rack is higher…which is great for wings!
Their pits are amazing and super well designed. I keep the firebox damper about 25% open and the smokestack damper to control temps and you get beautiful, efficient fires that don't waste fuel, put the perfect smoke on the food, and hold temps so well.
I have a Shirley reverse flow patio model no hot spots, holds temp, you can use all racks, great smoke flavor,and cooks great . Is your scoop innovation for traditional offsets only?
I did this to my Pecos by putting some bricks in front of the firebox exhaust under the grates so the heat hits the bricks and goes up. The fat renders much better for me now and it adds more cooking space as you stated. I also have a stack extension so it also has good airflow even though I added some turbulence in the cook chamber.
I used a big limestone rock in mine, works great! Absorbs the radiant heat and I still get a good draw.
So in the bottom of the smoker you blocked that so it shoots back up?
@@kodyanderson4974 yes. Under the grate. Basically to keep the heat from advancing across the grate. So there is a few inches of space from the fire box.
@@emcalone thank you sir. How high do you stack them
@@kodyanderson4974 As high as the grate.
I decided to build my own offset with a, roughly, 60 gal tank cooking and a 20 gal fire box. It's been an adventure in stick welding and I still don't think I'm there yet. But you know what I like? I like building something that is going to bring people joy
I would interested to know what you think of the new Goldees backyard offset. They have a bent pipe coming from the firebox to try and solve the problems you are talking about.
I did something similar of a scoop on my Loaded Wichita. I get great rendering of fat on my brisket. In addition, my temps are even once I did that. It was day and night for me
I really like the way Loan Star Grillz did their intake baffle. It's every even on the top and bottom. The baffle is in front of the intake. Then it is set up to dissect the gases to split to the top and bottom.
So your lower rack cooks at a lower temp and your top is hotter.
They show their temp Separation on their product video. That is what sold me on their smoker. I could send you some pictures if you would like to see it.
That sounds very interesting. Can you supply a link to that video?
I have been building my cookers so that the heat goes straight to the top of the CC from the FB for the last 20 years. I can't believe it has taken everyone so long to catch on to this and throw away the tuning plates years ago.
As someone who regularly cooks on the Yoder Loaded Wichita, he missed the ability to move the baffle plate back and forth to mix hot upstream gasses with those directed along the bottom through the holes. The plate mass (and the weight of steel in this thing) acts as a thermal mass to even out spikes. I personally run the plate about 3-4 inches away from the firebox with a water pan on the open side. Renders fat cap up perfectly.
I never thought of this way. I have mine were the start of it is in the fire box.
More or less you absolutely love what Mr Jambo has been doing for years?? I don’t mean this smart by any means. I view the baffle exactly like you described here. I had a 250 built for me and tried to explain what I wanted but I got the traditional slanted plate , goin to see if I can get some mods done
I'd really like to see what the scoop looks like. Did I miss you showing it?
Hi Jeremy, Would you show us the scoop, please? Thanks. 🙂 OK, I just went back to the video where you had just acquired the 1000-gallon smoker and you do have a great shot of that scoop baffle. That is fantastic engineering IMHO. 🙂
Have you seen the brand new Brazos model? It has a removal/adjustable heat deflector plate and you can configure it in a way that points the air up! The new Brazos has other great mods but that one is excellent.
FYI. You are correct, Jeremy, The LSG new “Texas edition” offset has a very large baffle sending all heat directly up. Video on the LSG channel.
Very cool discussion
Great video Jeremy! Given this info, wouldn’t it make sense to have the smoke stack located as high as possible on the cook chamber to keep those hot gases from being forced down at the end of the chamber?
Love my Wichita but yes figured out pretty quickly to remove the heat dampening plate. Its a tank and makes amazing food without that. Only wish exhaust was a little longer.
The Pitmaker Hitman 2 has a deflector plate that shoots firebox gasses toward top eliminating hotspot. It also had a vortex plate on exhaust, so I dont know how that effects flow. Firebox looks like good design too. I wonder why there is so little focus on this cooker?
I think this is how Jambo Pits are designed. From what I've seen in them, the firebox is usually raised, and the bottom of the opening from the firebox to the cook chamber is at or just below grate level. So the heat and gasses come in to the cook chamber at grate level and immediately go to the top of the pit and across. There is a "scoop" like he describes from the box to grate level or just above the grate. I built a reverse flow smoker 7 or 8 years ago. I wish I had seen this before I built it. I had mine after the Lang smokers. Those cook way different with all the radiant heat from the reverse flow plate. Still cooks good, but I still wonder, "What if?"
Jambo has an excellent baffle at the entry of the cook chamber.
You really have to start reviewing the Lonestar Grillz smokers. Their Texas edition does this. Their 20x42 does it as well though the scoope is a little closer to the grill grate. And just for kicks, you should review their pellet smoker. Hands down the best pellet smoker out there (that actually smokes the meat). And if you want even more intense smoke, they just came out with wood chips that you can mix with the pellets - it is a game changer!
Jambo's been doing the top down cooking for decades. Also Outlaw smokers does this as well. That LSG Texas edition has the right concept but they won't allow any modifications or additions to that model so for that reason I wouldn't choose them.
Would there be an issue using copper pipe in a smoker? I remodel showers and have a bunch of 1/2 I'd like to use as the platform the meat sits on, or some 3in copper I have as an exhuast for the smoke to travel to the meat.
Looking forward to some advice! Thanks everyone!
WE NEED SOME OLD COUNTY BRAZOS CONTENT!!! Id like to see this idea put to the test on it
I’ve been cooking on offsets for many years now. I don’t have a giant one but I would notice the center would be at a steady temperature, the closest to the fire box would be way to hot, and then the other side would be just barely warm. So I bit the bullet and bought a lava lock baffle plate. I’d rather have an even distribution of heat then burn my meat because the fire will go into the cooking chamber. This might be an unpopular opinion but weather it is brisket or pork buts I always smoke them fat side down. No point of having fat side up when the fat doesn’t penetrate the meat. The fat cap is just a good shield from burning the meat.
I know this video aired about three months ago. Did you ever get an opportunity to look at the Goldies backyard smoker where the pipe comes out the top and then into the smoke chamber?
Checked the other video you said showed the scoop & no scoop. Are you going go to provide a video that shows the scoop? Also, who made the 1000 gallon Smoker your giving away?! Thanks!
Do you think adding a baffle like this and relocating the exhaust would help on a cheap offset smoker, or would the thin metal just let too much heat escape?
If it was open to us Canadians, I would have LOVED to have a chance to get this smoker!
90 gallon smoker made from 24" pipe. How far from the firebox should the scoop go? How high up should it go? Cooking level or slightly higher?
Jeremy great video! When are you making your own offset brand?
I guess I missed it? I didn't see any pictures of this scoop from the firebox you described....? A picture is worth a 1000 words as they say....
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About the yoder smoker, does the heat diffuser plate go to the end or does it have a big gap in the end? If designer properly the smoke with it heat should give even temperature from the bottom through the holes AND have a large flow of smoke/heat that goes tot the end of the smoker and returns on the topside for topheat exposure.
Disappointed that you didn`t show the smoker that you liked so much. Waited to the end and you never showed the smoker that you like so much. You need to also say that you are raffling your smoker off and not giving it away. Kind of misleading.
Get a life!
Agreed, big teas with no visual example.
Yeah I think like $30 for a coffee mug?
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He’s been talking about purchasing a mug to be automatically entered in the drawing since the first video of this series.
I just got a old Oklahoma Joe Offset Smoker , got to get it cleaned up and try some cooking with it 👍
Bro, I got so much hate from some of the Lone Star Grillz family when I did a video on removing the tuning plates was superior. Glad to see this.
Me…now thinking I need to add a scoop to my 500 gallon offset! But maybe I’ll just win this 1000 gallon and not have to worry about it! Great video brother!