Hi Vlad! I don't know where to write this, so I just do it here. I had the great pleasure to meet you twice. Both times were in Zurich and I wanted to share the fond memories I have. The first time was in 2001 for Korchnoi's 70th birthday's tournament, which you won, beating Garry in the final in what is to this day the most impressive combination I have ever seen live. I think I'm still a bit under the shock of Bxa6!? (objectively not best, but what a beauty) 23 years later. I remember that after the game Peter Svidler was like a little happy kid, just as amazed as I was, while discussing the variations in russian with you. I had bought a book of Korchnoi's best games on that day, and I asked you to sign it, while congratulating you on that fantastic game. You seemed surprised I asked you for an autograph in that book, but my exemplary of the book with your games was back home, 2 hours away, and to me there was some logic to make you sign Korchnoi's book: you had just won his tournament! For the record: I have his signature in that book, too😊. The second time was in 2009 it was for the 200 years Jubilee of the Zurich chess club. I had the great pleasure to play against you in a simul. It was en English Hedgehog, and let's just say that the best player won😉😄. I did appreciate that you took the time to explain where I went wrong after I resigned. Even though you've been living in my country, we haven't met since. But those 2 meetings have a special place in my heart.❤
Надо банить за такое везение!!! Согласен с Шикалко - уровень всех Джоспэмов, Хикар и Блюндбаумов как у начинаещих, а Магнус тоже фартовый халявщик без уважения к русскоговорящей мощи. Кто разрешал играть 1. h3, а потом нагло выигрывать??Просто им всем постоянно везет случайно находить сильные ходы! Надо брать пример у Владимира Борисовича и никогда не зевать. Ну кроме на секундах, когда мышка соскочила. А если соперник в дебюте зевнул, выигрывать, увы, уже не разрешается, иначе сразу в бан! Кстати поза без пешки это полностью проигранно, даже если комп показывает динамическое равенство. Кроме если это моя пешка, тогда полная компенсация за позиционную жертву! У кого не советский стиль игры всех тоже в бан! А лучше вообще в тюрьму, и призовые за всю жизнь отобрать. И все школьные медальки пусть возвращают.
So when you say that a persons play is “interesting” or unusual you don’t mean that he’s cheating, you mean that that type of play should qualify for “checking into”. Is that correct? That’s very understandable. It seems like this point is the misunderstanding. You’re not really accusing of cheating you’re simply saying that there be a standard for “checking into” just as a protocol to create safety. (I happen to disagree with your understanding of the Hikaru run, imo it’s very reasonable and understandable for him to have those results and I also understand and agree with the chess com evaluation, it makes sense to me. I’m not trying to fight or argue with you personally, I’m simply sharing my view) Much love
If your channel really only has less than 6K subscribers, you can be super proud of how loyal they are, given the ratio of views to subscriber numbers. I don't know of another chess channel that comes remotely close to this percentage of subscriber support.
This video must be titled: Kramink against good luck ua-cam.com/video/7QgHnctLG_8/v-deo.html but he fails to demonstrate ANYTHING against Jospem. Pathetic.
Hello, I'm a master student in statistics and chess player during leasure time. I'm trying to calculate the probability that Jospem cheated but I am not able to because I need some data that I don't know because I'm not high level chess player Can I ask you some questions about some probabilities ?
He is a top 20 blitz player in the world! If you also add mouse skills, he could easily be top 10 player in the world online. Which makes his performances in title tuesday totally normal.
I'm curious though. how did he get the rating points? cause in his otb tourneys there is nothing impressive. he beat Sevian and Drew to Fabi, but lost to Levon and a 2300 losing points In American Cup 2021 I think. Is it possible to get FIDE rating form online tournaments? Because if that is it needs to be immediately stopped lol.
@@sasharellodo you get my point mister? Of course, he wasn't cheating that day, the goal here is to make a player who constantly performs top 5 level online WITHOUT SURVEILLANCE to show he or she CAN PERFORM such level of chess WITH SURVEILLANCE. So far not proved
'Mouse skills can only add no more than 5%-10% to your performance' - well, for a 2600 ELO Grandmaster, 10% is 260 ELO, and that's huge. Even if it's the lower of the two figures, then a OTB 2600 ELO player will play like a top 20 competitor - making his presence among the top scorers in Titled Tuesdays perfectly normal and to be expected.
I didn't get what does it proof? Guy plays the tournament, not as good as he could, but his opponents do blunders. And he see blunders and win. There are no any incredible unclear tactics, just some luck. This video proof that nobody cheating on it, no? And this is also the example that in real life such chain of impossible blunders is possible enough. And this also show that even GMs can do stupid mistakes. So it is ok when somebody can show incredible performance and then show very weak games. With all rspect to Vladimir, I didn't understand his point in this video.
Only viable solution seems to me is to have everyone play with two cameras one showing their face and one from their back showing their screens. It will not be foolproof but could make things a bit more difficult. Also cheating does not necessarily mean the actual cheater needs to personally win money in the tournament. Top player A could team up with another less known player in the same tournament so he discretely cheats against a couple of other top players except their partner increasing the first players odds (even draw them not necessarily win). The cheater can even finish last in this scenario and nobody will even care but top player A (who plays normally and is undetectable) will have an advantage. Things can get pretty complicated and probably already are since money are on the line.
Why is not Kramnik inviting Martinez Alcantara to a match OTB????? That would answer all his doubts! He doesn´t know him. Maybe scary about the result OTB? LOL (I like Kramnik games, but not this kind of thngs about somebody he doesn't know!)
Even for my 2000 raiting 75% of this moves that leads at least to draw was found in 1 sec I would be very pleased to have such luck and oponents blunders in 1 move everygame but I'm too bad to have such luck
It's much easier to see the moves when watching a youtube video. Playing is a different story. The vast majority of top players blunder terribly under time pressure, understandably so.
you should check about how they get this 3100 rated nicks. you are only checking tournaments games, but in "casual "games you can found the key. another important thing, you analised streaks, lets say won 45 games in row. have you even try to play 45 games in row to some oponent??, if you try you will see this is not posibel, there is no mather of won draw or lost 45 games, you cant play. from every 1 move you oponent are calculeted. your level, your teorical level and if you can be danger for his elo, normalways when you won 1 game. your oponent block you and you will never have any chanse to continued "farming" so we can clearly understand when 2 players rematch and remach 50 times, this is not casual chess. finally you are wrong when you think, guy will no push if the have no price chanses, do you thinks players not care about elo?? 3000 players get 4 o 5 free rounds 2500 player get 1 free round. this difereence is becouse of elo. you have not so big luck in the games becouse, your elo is 100 or 200 points lower, so you oponentes are way stronger, this is no a "luck" @@VBKramnik
Best way to justify cheating ia by saying that online and offline blitz are different while they are not much different. Best way to check Overperformance is to compare the results with the last blitz World Championships and then the overperforming players should be strictly monitored. Ps. In india there is a rule that anybody who scores more than 96 percent marks in a subject his paper is checked again it is not yo accuse somebody of unfair practices but just a precaution that is taken so taking such precautions in chess will also be a good idea.
well one tournament is one thing. but when you see a guy who never has a good otb tournament anywhere, but a top world player online, that is crazy to me lol.
Для того что бы выявить читера надо самому читерить. А Вы Владимир Борисович читерить не умеете, по этому трудно будет. Вам нужно найти тех кто читерит, они вам точно подскажут где искать у кого и как. Человек с опытом достаточно точно укажет с какого хода была включена программа.
Kids are using AI helping tools regularly in school now, some teachers coping with the new reality. So per analogy, perhaps having explicit Cheaters Tournaments (where helping tools are allowed) is a way to counter the temptation and save chess as we know it. Also, players who are caught are not cheaters, they are idiots. I would think that real cheaters vary their approach thus making them undetectable. Since cheating is a drug, they will always find ways.
that would be the worst thing to do. it forms bad habits. speaking of the overperformances Vlad is talking about. the streamers are the worst. The ones already getting exceptions to cheat for entertainment, uncoincidentally and unsurprisingly.
@@cooloutac the habits are already formed, you would just channel it differently, look at it like with drugs or doping: you create spaces, where stuff is legal, so the temptation trigger is limited ---
@@cooloutac what myths? what results? I notice that legalisation in certain areas helps in other areas; eg legalized marihuana led to less marihuana based crime --- if you have better ideas, spit it out, buddy; good cheaters don't get caught, Dubov is right about this; you have to change attitude or leave online chess to amateurs
@@wurzelausc The fact that people do drugs cause its bad and cool and that legalization means less use when it means the opposite. I'm for legalization but not for the foolish reasons you read on the internet lol. The better idea is what Kramnink is saying, you monitor people from time to time who have a high probability of cheating or they don't play money events. Its that simply, its the best we can do. Like Kramnik said he wouldn't mind someone coming to his house to film him in his room while playing. ITs not unprecedented in the online gaming world. it goes back 25 years to the days of Quake. Its what online poker, the only popular online game, thats not even an e-sport, also does. Erik Allebest promised to do it. Chess24 did it hikaru in 2021 i remember. nothing wrong with that. No exceptions should be made to be a valid sporting platform.
I don't agree with you in most cases but think you have a point regarding these players. In most of these cases, I suspect a case of selective mutual cheating and paranoia at times. It's hard to believe that guys like this are even titled players. This should be the path you should take when exposing cheaters just analyze their games instead of the probability thing.
I also didn't like how chesscom handled this. Just for perspective, I have been defensive of Jospem especially in his recent match with Ian, but 1 day good or bad doesn't prove anything one way or another. I agree with that fully. You have to do something like this over a period of time and without all the pr stuff, so that conditions are as normal as possible for the player who is being tested and then afterwards you just make your conclusion and publish results. But hopefully they were just doing this as initial "noise" to show they are taking action and will continue normally afterwards and monitor. That will be best case scenario. But if they just end after this, that will be a bad way to go about this.
I really missed You and Cheating Tuesdays! Keep up the good work! Greetings from Hungary!
Опа, новый сезон моего любимого сериала подъехал🤣🔥
Excellent content. Please produce more.
Thank for everything you do in chess and chess world
Your welcome
You're*@@GOD-TheCreator
@@Kotsknotswho cares
@@chrepuhonyour english teacher did
@@SomeCarney Vladimir does not do that, he politely asks to check, that's it.
you show us chess games with under 10 seconds on the clock. That the moves played are bad. What do you expect from a human?
Only similar level and amount of mistakes playing on your own and with survalance, nothing more
Hi Vlad! I don't know where to write this, so I just do it here. I had the great pleasure to meet you twice. Both times were in Zurich and I wanted to share the fond memories I have. The first time was in 2001 for Korchnoi's 70th birthday's tournament, which you won, beating Garry in the final in what is to this day the most impressive combination I have ever seen live. I think I'm still a bit under the shock of Bxa6!? (objectively not best, but what a beauty) 23 years later. I remember that after the game Peter Svidler was like a little happy kid, just as amazed as I was, while discussing the variations in russian with you. I had bought a book of Korchnoi's best games on that day, and I asked you to sign it, while congratulating you on that fantastic game. You seemed surprised I asked you for an autograph in that book, but my exemplary of the book with your games was back home, 2 hours away, and to me there was some logic to make you sign Korchnoi's book: you had just won his tournament! For the record: I have his signature in that
book, too😊.
The second time was in 2009 it was for the 200 years Jubilee of the Zurich chess club. I had the great pleasure to play against you in a simul. It was en English Hedgehog, and let's just say that the best player won😉😄. I did appreciate that you took the time to explain where I went wrong after I resigned.
Even though you've been living in my country, we haven't met since. But those 2 meetings have a special place in my heart.❤
Kramnik is a great Champion. He always shows smile and understanding to his fans and chess players ❤
Thank you Vladimir! Please livestream when you feel better
-Richard
How do we explain this game then? ua-cam.com/video/ifY1qp0PM-Q/v-deo.htmlsi=wWPZ5a3EsSwWg5I3 😁
i always enjoy your long videos and never get bored , simply because you speak pure logic
Loooooool
Him and Fabiano I think two of the most down-to-earth players
I support Kramnik in this!
Vladimir looks like chess pastor in this shirt. Catch them all, Volodja😁
I've learned "Puff Daddy making cream" from P. Diddy!
Надо банить за такое везение!!! Согласен с Шикалко - уровень всех Джоспэмов, Хикар и Блюндбаумов как у начинаещих, а Магнус тоже фартовый халявщик без уважения к русскоговорящей мощи. Кто разрешал играть 1. h3, а потом нагло выигрывать??Просто им всем постоянно везет случайно находить сильные ходы! Надо брать пример у Владимира Борисовича и никогда не зевать. Ну кроме на секундах, когда мышка соскочила. А если соперник в дебюте зевнул, выигрывать, увы, уже не разрешается, иначе сразу в бан! Кстати поза без пешки это полностью проигранно, даже если комп показывает динамическое равенство. Кроме если это моя пешка, тогда полная компенсация за позиционную жертву!
У кого не советский стиль игры всех тоже в бан! А лучше вообще в тюрьму, и призовые за всю жизнь отобрать. И все школьные медальки пусть возвращают.
Mathematically, the structures that arise during human play are different from the structures that arise in game using software.
This seems obviously true, but is there any study or something you can link to? I would love to see that research.
What will you accept as evidence?@@jayyy5270
Why "mathematically"?
Because chess is refined logic@@frednimzowi9852
So when you say that a persons play is “interesting” or unusual you don’t mean that he’s cheating, you mean that that type of play should qualify for “checking into”. Is that correct?
That’s very understandable.
It seems like this point is the misunderstanding. You’re not really accusing of cheating you’re simply saying that there be a standard for “checking into” just as a protocol to create safety.
(I happen to disagree with your understanding of the Hikaru run, imo it’s very reasonable and understandable for him to have those results and I also understand and agree with the chess com evaluation, it makes sense to me. I’m not trying to fight or argue with you personally, I’m simply sharing my view)
Much love
Big Vladdy style
Please stream some more Titled Tuesday, i really enjoyed those streams, great commentary
good to see you back! You should put on a policeman's' cap when you do these videos which should make these cheaters even more worried! :)
Is this the early titled tuesday playing 05.03.2024,when she plays against Magnus,were the game is very suspisious.?
"Making PR" and "Caesar's wife "
These are the 2 most interesting phrases I learnt from Kramnik.
If your channel really only has less than 6K subscribers, you can be super proud of how loyal they are, given the ratio of views to subscriber numbers. I don't know of another chess channel that comes remotely close to this percentage of subscriber support.
This video must be titled: Kramink against good luck ua-cam.com/video/7QgHnctLG_8/v-deo.html but he fails to demonstrate ANYTHING against Jospem. Pathetic.
interesting
3+0 is more then enough time for 2000 player. Talking on mouse skills in 3+1 for pros is ridiculous...
I love these uploads. I would watch your new analysis every day if I could.
steins;gate and kramik fan, neat
one man army
Hello,
I'm a master student in statistics and chess player during leasure time.
I'm trying to calculate the probability that Jospem cheated but I am not able to because I need some data that I don't know because I'm not high level chess player
Can I ask you some questions about some probabilities ?
Will you stream next Cheating Tuesday ?
Big Vlad for the win!
He is a top 20 blitz player in the world! If you also add mouse skills, he could easily be top 10 player in the world online. Which makes his performances in title tuesday totally normal.
But his PLAY in this particular tournament has nothing in common with top ten
I'm curious though. how did he get the rating points? cause in his otb tourneys there is nothing impressive. he beat Sevian and Drew to Fabi, but lost to Levon and a 2300 losing points In American Cup 2021 I think. Is it possible to get FIDE rating form online tournaments? Because if that is it needs to be immediately stopped lol.
He is farming his rating in regional tournaments as I could see, the same way what Hans Niemann did before he was invited to GM tournaments@@cooloutac
@@VBKramnik yes, but you see, he is not using engine here, he just super lucky this day, no?
@@sasharellodo you get my point mister? Of course, he wasn't cheating that day, the goal here is to make a player who constantly performs top 5 level online WITHOUT SURVEILLANCE to show he or she CAN PERFORM such level of chess WITH SURVEILLANCE. So far not proved
Can such a level really be a 3100 player.
'Mouse skills can only add no more than 5%-10% to your performance' - well, for a 2600 ELO Grandmaster, 10% is 260 ELO, and that's huge. Even if it's the lower of the two figures, then a OTB 2600 ELO player will play like a top 20 competitor - making his presence among the top scorers in Titled Tuesdays perfectly normal and to be expected.
great chesscom level math 😊
you think 5-10% of online chess 3+1 blitz is mouse skills? Have you watched Vladamir stream titled tuesday? You have to be joking right? 😂
This is the answers to all the questions of chesscom army 13:00 - 15:15
Можно, хотя бы, расшифровку видио на русском языке?
You can auto translate captions in Russian through youtube
I didn't get what does it proof? Guy plays the tournament, not as good as he could, but his opponents do blunders. And he see blunders and win. There are no any incredible unclear tactics, just some luck. This video proof that nobody cheating on it, no? And this is also the example that in real life such chain of impossible blunders is possible enough. And this also show that even GMs can do stupid mistakes. So it is ok when somebody can show incredible performance and then show very weak games. With all rspect to Vladimir, I didn't understand his point in this video.
I SUSPECT YOU DIDNT WATCH THE VIDEO AND OR DIDNT GET THE POINT
TRY AGAIN
Has he had any incredible performances otb last few years, any at least half decent?
Only viable solution seems to me is to have everyone play with two cameras one showing their face and one from their back showing their screens. It will not be foolproof but could make things a bit more difficult. Also cheating does not necessarily mean the actual cheater needs to personally win money in the tournament. Top player A could team up with another less known player in the same tournament so he discretely cheats against a couple of other top players except their partner increasing the first players odds (even draw them not necessarily win). The cheater can even finish last in this scenario and nobody will even care but top player A (who plays normally and is undetectable) will have an advantage. Things can get pretty complicated and probably already are since money are on the line.
Don"t you think,cheaters lose the feeling of the flow of the game...that would explain heavy blunders they do, when they make own moves?
Соскучился по вам. Продолжайте! Пересмотрел кучу ваших интервью за все годы, узнал много нового для себя, кайфую каждый рад слушая. Благодарю :-)
I really love your streams. Please keep streaming when you get time Big Vlad.
Дизлайк за то что нет видео на русском
Don't give up!
В гипотетическом суде будут восприняты только показания сообщников или чистосердечное признание. Все остальное это игра мнений.
Nice to see you back Vlad! ♟🕶
Why is not Kramnik inviting Martinez Alcantara to a match OTB????? That would answer all his doubts! He doesn´t know him. Maybe scary about the result OTB? LOL (I like Kramnik games, but not this kind of thngs about somebody he doesn't know!)
I did
@@VBKramnik 🙌💪
Glad you recovered well Champ
I was worried. So happy to see you back!
Would comparing move times be viable here? Such as comparing move times of a player under observation against the same player unobserved?
Yes will
Glad you are getting to feel better, looking forward to more fantastic content,
Здравствуйте Владимир Борисович! Могу ли я обратиться к вам конфидециально? Почта или еще что-то?
напишите на профиле чесскома, укажите Ваш емайл, отпишусь
А могу прямо здесь написать емейл? На ческоме не был уже 2 года.@@VBKramnik
Если не боитесь всем раскрыть,пожалуйста
Glad you well Mr Kramnik❤ back to our conspiracies😅
Even for my 2000 raiting 75% of this moves that leads at least to draw was found in 1 sec I would be very pleased to have such luck and oponents blunders in 1 move everygame but I'm too bad to have such luck
It's much easier to see the moves when watching a youtube video. Playing is a different story. The vast majority of top players blunder terribly under time pressure, understandably so.
@@InvestorsHeaven much more rarely and not THAT bad, if talking about top players
you should check about how they get this 3100 rated nicks. you are only checking tournaments games, but in "casual "games you can found the key. another important thing, you analised streaks, lets say won 45 games in row. have you even try to play 45 games in row to some oponent??, if you try you will see this is not posibel, there is no mather of won draw or lost 45 games, you cant play. from every 1 move you oponent are calculeted. your level, your teorical level and if you can be danger for his elo, normalways when you won 1 game. your oponent block you and you will never have any chanse to continued "farming" so we can clearly understand when 2 players rematch and remach 50 times, this is not casual chess. finally you are wrong when you think, guy will no push if the have no price chanses, do you thinks players not care about elo?? 3000 players get 4 o 5 free rounds 2500 player get 1 free round. this difereence is becouse of elo. you have not so big luck in the games becouse, your elo is 100 or 200 points lower, so you oponentes are way stronger, this is no a "luck" @@VBKramnik
You are amazing. A giant in the history of chess. Happy to be able to enjoy a new video. Thank you. Greetings from South America.
Vladimir Borisovich, greetings from Saint-Petersburg, Russia with rays of full support!
Kramnik dressed as a pastor.
Best way to justify cheating ia by saying that online and offline blitz are different while they are not much different. Best way to check Overperformance is to compare the results with the last blitz World Championships and then the overperforming players should be strictly monitored.
Ps. In india there is a rule that anybody who scores more than 96 percent marks in a subject his paper is checked again it is not yo accuse somebody of unfair practices but just a precaution that is taken so taking such precautions in chess will also be a good idea.
well one tournament is one thing. but when you see a guy who never has a good otb tournament anywhere, but a top world player online, that is crazy to me lol.
I have gotham chess blocked on Twitter. That's says where I stand.
He says he cant sleep for you 😂
Всё конечно хорошо, но на русском было бы лучше
levitov chess youtube ☝️
hahaha so funny how he get 9.5 points when almost all GM playing his best games only get 7 points
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Greetings, Sadhguru 🙏🏽
catch all the cheaters please. I try to enjoy online chess but it is just brutal to play with all the cheaters out there.
Структуры которые возникают в игре человека, математически очень сильно отличаются от структур возникающих в игре машин и с их помощью.
Для того что бы выявить читера надо самому читерить. А Вы Владимир Борисович читерить не умеете, по этому трудно будет. Вам нужно найти тех кто читерит, они вам точно подскажут где искать у кого и как. Человек с опытом достаточно точно укажет с какого хода была включена программа.
Gotham is nowhere near you Vladi, you do not need to address him. You are a friend of the game, many of these people are not.
GMDramaKramnik 👑
Хоть мы и не знакомы но все равно с выздоровлением Вас. Не болейте Владимир Борисович. :)
Im sorry Demasiadas verdades don Vlad
Kids are using AI helping tools regularly in school now, some teachers coping with the new reality. So per analogy, perhaps having explicit Cheaters Tournaments (where helping tools are allowed) is a way to counter the temptation and save chess as we know it. Also, players who are caught are not cheaters, they are idiots. I would think that real cheaters vary their approach thus making them undetectable. Since cheating is a drug, they will always find ways.
that would be the worst thing to do. it forms bad habits. speaking of the overperformances Vlad is talking about. the streamers are the worst. The ones already getting exceptions to cheat for entertainment, uncoincidentally and unsurprisingly.
@@cooloutac the habits are already formed, you would just channel it differently, look at it like with drugs or doping: you create spaces, where stuff is legal, so the temptation trigger is limited ---
@wurzelausc you are believing and repeating myths. But not looking at actual results in reality.
@@cooloutac what myths? what results? I notice that legalisation in certain areas helps in other areas; eg legalized marihuana led to less marihuana based crime --- if you have better ideas, spit it out, buddy; good cheaters don't get caught, Dubov is right about this; you have to change attitude or leave online chess to amateurs
@@wurzelausc The fact that people do drugs cause its bad and cool and that legalization means less use when it means the opposite. I'm for legalization but not for the foolish reasons you read on the internet lol. The better idea is what Kramnink is saying, you monitor people from time to time who have a high probability of cheating or they don't play money events. Its that simply, its the best we can do. Like Kramnik said he wouldn't mind someone coming to his house to film him in his room while playing. ITs not unprecedented in the online gaming world. it goes back 25 years to the days of Quake. Its what online poker, the only popular online game, thats not even an e-sport, also does. Erik Allebest promised to do it. Chess24 did it hikaru in 2021 i remember. nothing wrong with that. No exceptions should be made to be a valid sporting platform.
Grande Kramnik
Chess has lost its style. How can this stupid nm win so much
I don't agree with you in most cases but think you have a point regarding these players. In most of these cases, I suspect a case of selective mutual cheating and paranoia at times. It's hard to believe that guys like this are even titled players. This should be the path you should take when exposing cheaters just analyze their games instead of the probability thing.
I also didn't like how chesscom handled this. Just for perspective, I have been defensive of Jospem especially in his recent match with Ian, but 1 day good or bad doesn't prove anything one way or another. I agree with that fully. You have to do something like this over a period of time and without all the pr stuff, so that conditions are as normal as possible for the player who is being tested and then afterwards you just make your conclusion and publish results. But hopefully they were just doing this as initial "noise" to show they are taking action and will continue normally afterwards and monitor. That will be best case scenario. But if they just end after this, that will be a bad way to go about this.