Wow! This video is doing really well, thank you all for watching it! I'm working on another NYC subway scavenger hunt type video that I would like to release this week. I won't spoil it but stick around if you want to see it. If you have suggestions for other videos, lemme know. My goal is to make videos about things in transport and the city with nice editing and visuals to help.
Thank you for the heart logo. Many thing of which I have been fond of like an old fashioned children's playground compared to today's playground. And in a store for a penny I could put in a buble gum machine for chewing gum. Most of the adult TV and movie stars I adored are now dead. And many places in NYC are unrecognizable for me today. One of my earliest memories was my first day in Kindergarten in Flushing, Queens in September 1961.
Yup. A lot of people don't realize that both the E and F ran those R46s in the 1980s. Because of "dwell times" the MTA took them off the E in the 1990s and it dealt with the R32s, sturdy but nowhere near as nice, cars from 1990s to 2008. The locals got the R46s in the 1990s but used to run mostly older cars in the 1980s. The propulsion is quiet and whines out. Don't know why the propulsion on the newer trains are so loud, especially Siemens.
Newer trains use AC motors rather than the DC motors used on older models, and engineers designing them build barebones power electronics which are low-cost but make a lot of noise. Quiet power electronics for these motors exist (they can be found in nearly all electric cars and many high-quality personal EVs, all of which use AC motors) but I guess management doesn't think they're needed on trains.
Wanna add some comments rq - The R44s and R46s were built like railcars due to the fact that at the time the MTA wanted to have a line run through the LIRR, coming out from the 63rd St line on the F onto LIRR ROW until Forest Hills where the line would go back into the QBL. The project was called the Queens Superexpress but never happened. Provisions for it are right after 21st/Queensbridge with tunnels continuing straight while the tracks take a sharp turn to merge with the QBL. This would’ve been linked up with the 2nd Av line as you mentioned. - More or less (imo) the trains represent the M3s running on the LIRR. take me as a subway nerd but I’m just saying lmao Btw props to you for your excellent editing skills. Mad impressive. Earned my respect. ✌️
Thank you for writing all that! Never heard of the Queens Superexpress before, unfortunately I can totally see why they canned it. They already have so many massive multi-decade projects there's no way that one would have finished on time and on budget. It's cool how different cars from different sections can feel so similar based on when they were made. The R46, M3, and Shoreliner cars were all made within 10 years of each other and it sort of shows. Anyways, the superexpress looks like a really interesting topic. Thank you, now gonna do some reading on it.
2:35 you're not seeing things, you're right, I've experienced this too and I've noticed it. it feels like one of those monorails in the air that sway back and forth like that
Personally, I absolutely LOVE the R46 train cars. The R44/R46 train cars have been my favorite trains since childhood and they really are just gorgeous. And seriously those transverse seating is the best thing ever!!
I always liked the 1970’s orange and yellow seats and tacky wood paneling. When I think of the NYC subway, that’s the interior I always think of. I also loved tiding the RedBirds on the 7 line as a kid.
The 7 had the World's Fair livery when I was a kid and the trains seemed more modern than the ones on the other IRT lines. It was more unique then. They were painted many colors and finally red after the 1980s rebuilt.
bro u make train vids look like actual yt vids. amazing work! and yes, the r46 is an amazing train and ppl who complain so much abt it are babies; i stand by that statement and always will.
I love the R46 cars. I grew up riding these cars. The very first R46 cars I rode was on the (F) line and then eventually I started riding more R46 cars on the (A) and (R) lines and also the Rockaway (S) shuttle. I know that they ran on the (G) line and also the discontinued (V) line but boy I would have love to ride them on those lines. These cars will forever be an important part of my childhood, ok yes they are starting to show their age, they been running for a long time and it’s sad to know that they will soon be retired and replaced by the newer cars which I think they’re ok, they’re decent and modern but the R46 cars are timeless and they will forever have a special place in my heart. The R46 cars provided long, wonderful years of service and served the MTA very well, so they will be sadly missed once they are retired.
I remember this model a little differently. This model was considered an Edsel of the subway fleet. It almost crippled the system with its unreliability and service issues. It also had a poor MTBF rating which is measured in miles. The only reason the R-46 is in service because of the production issues associated with the new trains.
What??? The r46's are being replaced by those r211 train cars in the future??! No fair!! I adore the r46's. They're one of the most awesome, beautiful looking subway cars to have ever exist. Especially the ones that are running on the Q, N and the W lines. They look so gorgeous to have those letters together. Sure, times do change but i'm still not happy for that to happen, i'm just not. So there.
yep 😭 They’re going to still be in the system until at least 2025 (at least the way everything is going right now) so that’s neat. Can’t believe that’s only three years though. Can’t help but miss the R46 R trains tho, I had to steal an image from the internet for my profile pic!
Well the R46s are 50 years old it's time for them to go they got a few more years left At this point there too old and are starting to become a pain especially with the LCD signs a lot of the time they have an issue
I have mentioned on several transit related forums that since the R46 during GOH receiver electronic side signs and OB style drawheads which are the new standard on the NYCTS, I feel that the R-46s will be retained and the R-68s and 68As will be the 75 footers to be scrapped first since they lack the amenities of the R-46s.
What the heck are you drinking? The 46's have been on their last legs since we got them. The were the most unreliable cars we had. Only the R 16 were worse. You formers only know about the cars since they were rebuilt. The 68's are no beauty Queens, but they far superior the the 46's, and the new junk 142-211.
I remember when the r46s were very fast on the F especially on queens boulevard. The 46s one of my favorite subway cars in the system that is still in service.
The speed was nothing when compared to what is collectively known as the R9s built from different order from 1930 to 1940. They were the most common subway trains on the 6th and 8th Ave, lines in the 1960s. The F line within 1 minute already passed on the express tracks 2 local stations. I am a New Yorker who grew up in NYC during the Mad Men era! I was on the front looking out the front door on the Queens Blvd. Express on the F. The conductor opened a d closed thr doors in between the subway cars in the middle of the train.
I'm obviously younger than you but I've been on the transit museum runs and have been surprised with how fast they can go for such old tech. It wouldn't surprise me if they got slower over time due to safety restrictions.
@@robert.halpern Not in my opinion. Check out the videos for the Christmas season runs of the previous years going thru the 63 street tunnel to Queensborough Plaza.
@@luislaplume8261 WOW! I couldn't find a video of them going through the 63rd st tunnel but even on the E/M through the 53rd st one they are fast. Thanks for sharing.
@@robert.halpern Well the last time I rode that train there was in December 2009. The route may have changed since then. Even the neighborhood of Long Island City does not look as it did in 1961 when I was a little boy. The tallest building there was the Pan American Airways accounting rooms for their headquarters back in Midtown Manhattan aka then as the Pan Am Building that opened in 1960. I am from the baby boomer generation as you can see.
The R46s are the best trains to ride. The fluorescent lights plus white walls and ceilings on NTTs hurt my eyes, while the interiors of the R46s are a lot easier on me. And getting a forward facing window seat gives much better views and makes me less nauseous than longitudinal seating. And as a lover of all things vintage, that fake wood and beige wallpaper just feels so nostalgic. I’ll miss these.
I like the 46's. It's kinda sad to know that they'll be retired soon, but for a good purpose at least. I just hope the R211's won't have as much critical failures as the start of the R179 fleet. Besides that, the editing for this video is great! Nice job. 👍🏼
The R-44s were 75 feet long as well. The R-110Bs were 67 feet long, as were the BMT standards. The entire system was slowed down after the Williamsburg Bridge wreck in 1995.
The new cars are terrible - brutal dentist chair lighting, the elimination of window seating, and now, apparently, corner seats are being removed as well. They’re robbing any pleasure out of the subway.
All subway cars used to be noisy and rough like the R32s only worse. The decor wasn't all that great either. Then came the R44 and it was quiet, smooth. I think they introduced some new kind of suspension involving pressurized air, but can offer no explanation for the dramatic change in noise level. (Of course they were air conditioned, and people were accustomed to barrelling along with windows open on sides and ends. The length of the R44-46s makes them impressive. They used to have glass in the partitions by the doors where now there's nothing. (you'd think they wouldda caught on after all the ratan seat cushions got slashed.) And the The flourescents showing through the paper advertising and also shining down was cool, but the best was the classy wallpaper with NY + NYC seals. (not really sure what seals they are but have been meaning to take a picture, though I never carry the phone.)
1:00 that's an R68A. R68 cars begin with 2 and R68A car numbers begin with 5. Another way you can tell is: underneath the roll sign on the exterior, the R68 has a white metal plate separating the rollsign and the window. The R68A doesn't have that, as you can see in the timestamp.
R-46 originally came out with P-wire train line operation, it was very ineffective in the subway. Many failures, stalled trains. This was not one of my favorites to operate.
I've always liked the R46. On the exterior, I like the rounded appearance, which is a departure from all the other subway cars which are quite boxy. I agree that I've always found them to ride pretty smooth. I really like the interiors. The yellow/orange seating and NYC/NYS logos on the wallpaper give a more warm and welcoming appearance that what you find on the rest of the fleet.
man i loved these cars. always felt so cozy to me. sure, the door and station announcements are helpful in the newer trains but i liked how quiet these are, and the seats i found to be more comfortable. plus i never went in one that smelled bad lol
Counter points from a train crew member. the AC doesn't work in the cab. there is nothing in the cab to hold on to when my partner is doing 40 up CPW and I'm bouncing all over the place, save for the master controller itself. And yes, they do NOT rock, they bounce. there is ONE buzzer in the cab and it's on the operator console instead of how every other train has three buzzers per cab (one on each door control consoles along with the train operator's console), meaning i need to leave my window to use it when operating on the off side. the handbrake chain is constantly banging against it's housing the TO's seat does not fold up like on every other train. The side destination sign connectors sometimes foul up and I have to cross over to the other cab to set the other half of the train. Literally the only thing the 46 has going for it is the spacious cab (compared to the closets on the R68s) and the sideways sliding windows (except when operating from the alternate position, where it can hit you pretty hard if you're not holding it open when your partner takes power. had one smack me in the face first time I did that) Positives of the other trains. R68s... none, they suck. R143/R160.... the most user friendly control interface R179... has a cup holder!
Stuff like the straps/bars to hold on to and the handbrake chain should be simple enough to fix I'd guess but they might not be a priority to the MTA because of how soon they will be replaced anyways. I'm guessing they fixed the AC for you in future cars but still that seems tough for TOs. Hopefully the R211 just further improves on this situation.
I like them too!! They were a staple in my life when I lived in NYC back in the 70s and 80s. I was in NYC last month and rode on one and it brought back memories 🥰
Fun fact: I was on an R46 express N train going between 36 Street and 59 Street and it was going VERY fast. When we slowed down to enter 59th, the car I was in just VIOLENTLY jolted and I hit my head on the window very hard. (I was on the window seats) Generally I like the looks of the R46, but the movement just bothers me sometimes. Dont let me get started on the N O I S E- That 'humming' idle noise pierces my soul 😶
I love the R-46. I wish that The F train will never replace it even though they are still being used on occasion. And when the E train had them back in the 80s as well as the D train back in the 70s as well. I hope they never get replaced. And I love the interior. Looks classy.
When I was a child, I remembered enjoying myself on the ride of the R46 train and listen to the chimes as the door closes, I wasn’t happy about the R32 or the newer train back then. I’m sure going to miss it when it’s gone, but hopefully it may come back, and hopefully the R211 train will do better.
I'm living in NYC for over 5 years now and from my experience of taking the subway on a daily basis I feel that these r46 trains are the best. they got the best seating arrangements according to me that allows looking outside through the window unlike the new trains where you only got to look at the face of the person sitting at your opposite seat. Also, the stopping time on each station is less as r46 has manual announcement that saves a lot of time unlike the new trains that must play the whole automated announcement on each station. I now feel sad that the F trains do not have the r46 cars anymore. I rode them just before the covid hit but now I do not see them anymore. I liked those cars so much that I would skip a few trains with new cars just to board on the next F train with r46 cars. If I got some extra time, I still often board on r46 A trains for some part on my way to school in Brooklyn from queens.
Wow, you edit so, so well! This is on professional levels of video making, would love to know how you do it! Keep going with your production, I’m loving this.
Thanks! I've been editing for a few years but I still have so much to learn. I use Adobe Premiere and After Effects and there are a bunch of great tutorials on youtube if you want to get into it.
@@robert.halpern Perfect, been wanting to learn Premiere at some point, would love to see more transit based videos coming out, make sure to keep them non-biased and informational, it really suits where you're going!
@@Emperor_NYC good luck! Trust me you’re gonna have fun with premiere lol. My next videos going to be very different (still on topic of nyc subway but it’s a challenge) but I really want to do more reviews like this in the future.
Not a fan of them but I do like the 75ft length for a subway car. I love the swaying when at slow speeds. The a/c is crisp in them when working properly. They did slow them down 55mph in 60th street and mostly 25-35 in normal operation between stations.
Great explanation! the only things I wonder was why some of the trains have been switched to a older system. I’ve noticed the train system is also becoming slower and so many delays
Thanks! Some of the delays are because of redundant speed limits set in place. Fairly recently they've started removing some ( new.mta.info/press-release/update-mta-new-york-city-transit-made-significant-subway-speed-improvements-during ) which seems to be speeding up the system so far.
For me I would always love to be in the very end of the last car and see the tunnel going by. Cant do that with the newer cars since the booth takes up the whole back end.
I worship the R46! I don’t know why everybody hates them. It’s sad to see my boys go, especially since I have so many memories with them. I guess all good things must come to an end. However, these R211s look pretty cool. I’ve seen them 3 times on the A, but I never rode one. I really want to ride one and explore the features and see if it’s really fit to replace the R46. Keep up the great work, man!
I’ve only been on an R160 on the E. We headed downtown to WTC, then back to 42-PABT. The R160(in what I believe was an R160A) was really nice and ran smoothly.
The most amazing cars! I would often take the IND just to avoid the R-32s on the IRT. Quiet, quick, and the space-age sounds when the door opened. An incredible ride especially to Aqueduct.
R44/46 were tuned down after the Williamsburg Bridge disaster in the 90. Field shunting was disabled because of signals..and overall mistaken made by operations. This lead to mechanically slowing trains, installing slow timers all over the system...and slow zones. With the newer cars,the speeds were not reduced to 40 mph. The new cars are able to sustain a speed of 55 ,but generally don't get to travel above 50. The Queens Blvd express can operate speeds of 65mph, as the R46 did so in "regulated mode" . The cars were actually purchased to operate on the New routes the MTA had planned to build from the 1967-68 new routes plan. The Second Ave SUBWAY was the primary reason. By the time the new equipment was delivered,none of the routes were completed... The Archer Avenue subway and part of the 63rd st Tunnel was completed by the late 80s..making the whole process pointless. A short version of The SAS was finally opened in 2017 with 3 stations. The R46s didn't see service there until a major car swap occurred due to CBTC. The current Broadway line operates R46 ,68 and 68a subway cars. The 46s has finally served its purpose.
The 75’ length has been awkward for the R46 (and R44 and R68) from the beginning, but I love them anyway. The R46 interior is a genuinely nice place to be. I like the softer lighting, the seats, and the seating arrangement. I love the fake wallpaper pattern of NYS and NYC seals on the walls. And as a child of the ‘80s woodgrain is my favorite color and its gradual disappearance-first it vanished from electronics, then building interiors, and now it’s disappearing from trains-has been traumatic for me. The NJT Arrow III’s could well disappear from the rails at the same time as the R46 and then where am I supposed to look when I need to see a picture of wood?
between Prospect park and 7th and 7th and Atlantic, the car shakes like crazy! So I dunno about the suspension but the colors are classic and I do live the thing and this video is adorable.
If you grew up in the 1970s like I did, I actually grew up in the 1960s, you realize just how big an improvement the R44 was over any train that came before it. The interior was amazing, almost seeming like a luxury train compared to the others and definitely seeming like a mini-Long Island Rail Road. The quietness and smoothness were leagues apart from any existing train. And, to be honest, for its age, even now, the R46, based heavily on the R44, is still a quiet train if it is reasonably maintained. These cars are far more unique than the same-old R211s with their tiny windows coming. I don't love the R211s and wish the MTA would break the mold from the R143 look. Adding the bullet back and blue instead of black on the front and new lights doesn't change that from the side, they still look like R143s. The R46 has served well and it is time for them to go. But, they deserve respect for being trains that brought the MTA into the modern era.
Words cannot express how much the R46s are my top favorites. I love how their designed and the interior with the wood panels. I love the smooth suspension and the GE propulsion that is has. Do you have discord so we can talk? Also your editing is very admirable
The mta reason for buying these long cars was because they figured less cars less maintenance. The Rockwell trucks was also the source of many problems like cracks. Also the r 44 and 46 were to long for a lot of the system
The 46s are smoother riding than the 68s. We call them Cadillacs because of the big cabs. The Coney Island 68s tend to have spotted wheels like crazy because of the Sea Beach and Brighton lines. The 46s biggest issue is dead motors.
I thought the 68s were a disappointment. They didn't improve on the smoothness of the R46s and the interiors weren't as nice. Same general format but something is missing.
Great video, but one reason im not a huge fan of the 46 is because of the displays. It would display their southern terminus while its going northbound which usually tricks me up alot
If you wanna test speed take the B train or D at 34st Manhattan going to West 4 every time I take a ride there I feel like we’re going to crash from fast we go
The electronic displays on R44 and R46 are not original and were installed in the early nineties as part of the overhaul. R68 weren’t subject to that overhaul because they were still pretty new at the time.
Yes!!!! I was in Atlanta not too long ago myself and the transverse seating and colors were very similar. I wonder if they were built by the same people, I’m going to check.
The R46s resembling the LIRR/ MNRs M-1/ M-3s is not by accident. The MTA had incorporated that design on its fleet back then which included the R40M, R42s, R44s, 46 and up until they started purchasing the newer generation subway cars which you see now taking over the subway fleet. The R46s weren't reliable at first but after the Rockwell trucks were changed and more so after their MK rebuilds, these ladies earned their keep. They feel more like a commuter train rather than a subway. I miss seeing them on the F line!
Ah yes the R46 one of the few cars that you can't go in between the cars Sometimes have bugged out LCDs and etc But is always there when you need it And are very reliable even now
Is this because they only run that one Q with R68 cars per rush hour and it’s not worth the costs to replace? That’s really interesting, thanks for sharing.
R46's are cool but the trains are not at much fault its mostly how the yards take care of them, Compare Coney Island's R46's to Piktins, Piktin doesn't clean Coney Island does and does regular Maintenace checks and they dont break down as much as the A and C lines R46's because piktin doesn't care, they just want the R211's and then just leave them dirty without a care on the cleaniness.
I prefer the window seats then the bench seating that the newer subway cars have. Maybe in the future MTA could try using window seats in their future train fleets.
Yeah. On my trip to New York City recently I noticed this. Trains built in the 70s and 80s on the B division (lettered lines) have window seats! Unfortunately, they are not planning to add window seats on any new trains. The reason for this is, capacity of the train sets overall. They take up more room than sideways seats. so you end up with much less standing room. I also think the interior on these was designed super well. The 70s and 80s were honestly the best era of public transportation design. You had warm lighting, wood grain accents, and often better seating! Chicago’s old 2600 series L cars also come to mind, though Chicago actually kept their bucket seat design and upgraded it with fabric backs on the newer cars thankfully!
The train that started the modernization. Can’t believe this train is from the 70’s. Still fast and still smooth. Probably made its first passengers feel like they’re in the future, because previous trains were clunky and rough.
It absolutely did. Train felt like another world and an upgrade over the previous trains. Much, much more quiet and smooth than the R42s and earlier trains.
The Shoreliners are great and their retirement will be sad, I don't think anybody could reasonably hate those cars. My only wish is that they get converted to electric if the MTA ever chooses to reuse the general Shoreliner design. The Amfleet cars are by far my favorite commuter rail stock, the metal lines are iconic.
@@randomhuman-012 It's hard to guess... the Shoreliner III and IV are both reliable enough to stay in service even maybe until 2030 but they probably won't electrify the whole MNRR until well past 2030. So the MNRR would either need the more of the double-decker diesel car the LIRR uses (C3) or they need to produce another, newer Shoreliner. Who knows? Curious to what you think will happen.
@@robert.halpern Well until the MNRR is electrified, it would be cool to see bi level cars on the railroad. But I think what is more likely to happen is for the MTA to order a newer diesel car, like the Shoreliner V or something. But when the MNRR is electrified, all the shoreliners will have to go, and trains like the M7 and maybe the M9, will take over. It will be both good and bad, good for efficiency (not having to change trains) and bad because I love all the diesel equipment right now, and I’m sure other people do too.
What I liked about the R-46’s besides their looks was the old braking system when I used to run them in the 90’s. When at a full stop and releasing the brakes they sounded like Chewbacca 😂.
I completely agree with the narrator of this video. I prefer the roll signs of the r68 and the r68 A's. They are easier to read. They are clear and they identify both terminals without passengers having to wait for the sign to change. The 75 ft cars and the seating in the r46 are much more comfortable and spacious than these newer cars that they are replacing them with. The lighting and the decor looks a little more inviting as opposed to the newer cars that look like Hospital er's with their grey demeanor. The MTA would be smart to keep these cars a few more years as they are reliable, spacious and more comfortable.
To me it's sort of the opposite, I want to know the actual destination of the train quickly. If you're about to miss the train you can glance up and see where it's going. I agree with you on the having to wait for the destination being annoying but I don't think it's that long of a wait. I also hope they fix the dull gray on the newer cars. Easy fix: use the alt paintjob that we see on the R160 sometimes. I'm guessing people like it more than the gray.
That was a very informative video and hopefully one day I'll be able to go to New York before 2025 to ride on one of them! Glad to know and definitely on my bucket list
Fun fact, the R44/R46 have the same Interior but the R44 interior is blue Bur the R46 interior is yellow and orange(I'm talking about the seats) and they also have arm rest, so dose the R68/A
One of the main reason for their dislike amongst rail fans is that Jamaica didn’t take care of them and they didn’t run the intensive service they do now when they were in Jamaica. Now at age 45 in 2020 you transfer them to heavy regular service on the N,W,Q and they are showing the wear and tear. There is no contingency plan for if the R46’s crap out before 2025 either, they’re sending the R32’s off to Ohio for scrap so if the 46’s really start to shit the bed than the riders are screwed and expect drastic service reductions. Even with their lemon nature in their early days they had a smooth commuter rail style appeal and were even more of a smooth ride with the aforementioned Rockwell trucks but now they can’t be reliable for heavy service along the N,Q,W lines, as someone who rode the A,C J,Z when they had R32’s and rides the Q the 46’s give way more trouble than the 32’s who were also past their prime.
I don’t get why they rushed the scrapping of the R32s like that. Yes, it costs money to maintain and keep parked, but the city needed the R32 to deal the R179. Now what is going to happen something happens to those cars again?
@@robert.halpern -typical MTA mismanagement which got them fleet shortages in 93 and 2010, the fact that in order to retire the R32’s they had to slash C service in the beginning of 2020 prior to COVID shows you how badly the MTA is run. I mean 2019 was a year in which Subway ridership rebounded and 2018/19 were the only years in which I can remember reliability on the C line going back to when it came to Brooklyn and the MTA slashed C service just to get the 32’s out. I could see the MTA’s train of thought in Summer of 2019 being that they could retire the 32’s slash service for a year and when the 211’s come in during 2021 service can be restored but as we see none of that happened and now the R46 are feeling the brunt of it and due to that the R68’s which aren’t spring chickens either are also being used more often on the Q putting a strain on cars which are in their mid 30’s, so a short answer is the MTA felt they could cheap their way until the 211’s entered service which has yet to come.
The back and forth swaying is called hunting osculation and its directly proportional to the speed. yes you are imagining things. It should be about the same for all the cars.
Wow! This video is doing really well, thank you all for watching it!
I'm working on another NYC subway scavenger hunt type video that I would like to release this week. I won't spoil it but stick around if you want to see it. If you have suggestions for other videos, lemme know. My goal is to make videos about things in transport and the city with nice editing and visuals to help.
Thank you for the heart logo. Many thing of which I have been fond of like an old fashioned children's playground compared to today's playground. And in a store for a penny I could put in a buble gum machine for chewing gum. Most of the adult TV and movie stars I adored are now dead. And many places in NYC are unrecognizable for me today. One of my earliest memories was my first day in Kindergarten in Flushing, Queens in September 1961.
Please do more of these type of videos!
I agree why not rebuilt them?
I love this video I want you to show more videos
This train isn't safe (some old days there was a guy doing suicide in there
Also one of the last of two subway cars still running with the quieter GE propulsion. A childhood classic on the Queens Blvd line.
Yup. A lot of people don't realize that both the E and F ran those R46s in the 1980s. Because of "dwell times" the MTA took them off the E in the 1990s and it dealt with the R32s, sturdy but nowhere near as nice, cars from 1990s to 2008. The locals got the R46s in the 1990s but used to run mostly older cars in the 1980s. The propulsion is quiet and whines out. Don't know why the propulsion on the newer trains are so loud, especially Siemens.
Newer trains use AC motors rather than the DC motors used on older models, and engineers designing them build barebones power electronics which are low-cost but make a lot of noise. Quiet power electronics for these motors exist (they can be found in nearly all electric cars and many high-quality personal EVs, all of which use AC motors) but I guess management doesn't think they're needed on trains.
Wanna add some comments rq
- The R44s and R46s were built like railcars due to the fact that at the time the MTA wanted to have a line run through the LIRR, coming out from the 63rd St line on the F onto LIRR ROW until Forest Hills where the line would go back into the QBL. The project was called the Queens Superexpress but never happened. Provisions for it are right after 21st/Queensbridge with tunnels continuing straight while the tracks take a sharp turn to merge with the QBL. This would’ve been linked up with the 2nd Av line as you mentioned.
- More or less (imo) the trains represent the M3s running on the LIRR.
take me as a subway nerd but I’m just saying lmao
Btw props to you for your excellent editing skills. Mad impressive.
Earned my respect. ✌️
Thank you for writing all that! Never heard of the Queens Superexpress before, unfortunately I can totally see why they canned it. They already have so many massive multi-decade projects there's no way that one would have finished on time and on budget.
It's cool how different cars from different sections can feel so similar based on when they were made. The R46, M3, and Shoreliner cars were all made within 10 years of each other and it sort of shows.
Anyways, the superexpress looks like a really interesting topic. Thank you, now gonna do some reading on it.
2:35 you're not seeing things, you're right, I've experienced this too and I've noticed it. it feels like one of those monorails in the air that sway back and forth like that
It’s due to the extra length. With a longer wheelbase, the cars are less susceptible to bumps in the track than the shorter 60 footers.
Personally, I absolutely LOVE the R46 train cars. The R44/R46 train cars have been my favorite trains since childhood and they really are just gorgeous. And seriously those transverse seating is the best thing ever!!
I always liked the 1970’s orange and yellow seats and tacky wood paneling. When I think of the NYC subway, that’s the interior I always think of. I also loved tiding the RedBirds on the 7 line as a kid.
The 7 had the World's Fair livery when I was a kid and the trains seemed more modern than the ones on the other IRT lines. It was more unique then. They were painted many colors and finally red after the 1980s rebuilt.
bro u make train vids look like actual yt vids. amazing work! and yes, the r46 is an amazing train and ppl who complain so much abt it are babies; i stand by that statement and always will.
thanks! I agree and I hope these trains are preserved well for others to see in the future.
@@robert.halpern damn right they should be preserved. yk when its time for scrapping they should turn some into garbage and pump trains
@@conecisland1222 yeah but they're probably gonna have to rip out the interiors in that case 😭
I love the R46 cars. I grew up riding these cars. The very first R46 cars I rode was on the (F) line and then eventually I started riding more R46 cars on the (A) and (R) lines and also the Rockaway (S) shuttle. I know that they ran on the (G) line and also the discontinued (V) line but boy I would have love to ride them on those lines. These cars will forever be an important part of my childhood, ok yes they are starting to show their age, they been running for a long time and it’s sad to know that they will soon be retired and replaced by the newer cars which I think they’re ok, they’re decent and modern but the R46 cars are timeless and they will forever have a special place in my heart. The R46 cars provided long, wonderful years of service and served the MTA very well, so they will be sadly missed once they are retired.
I just hope the MTA saves some R 46 trains for future generations to ride like the trains of many colors and trains of many metal
1:17 that's an iconic image
I remember this model a little differently. This model was considered an Edsel of the subway fleet. It almost crippled the system with its unreliability and service issues. It also had a poor MTBF rating which is measured in miles. The only reason the R-46 is in service because of the production issues associated with the new trains.
The N and Q Should Get the R211 I know it's on the A line
Cause of CBTC They don't have the R160
New Subway Cars Can Be Better If I was going to 34 St Then I might as well take the R160 on the R
What??? The r46's are being replaced by those r211 train cars in the future??! No fair!! I adore the r46's. They're one of the most awesome, beautiful looking subway cars to have ever exist. Especially the ones that are running on the Q, N and the W lines. They look so gorgeous to have those letters together. Sure, times do change but i'm still not happy for that to happen, i'm just not. So there.
yep 😭 They’re going to still be in the system until at least 2025 (at least the way everything is going right now) so that’s neat. Can’t believe that’s only three years though.
Can’t help but miss the R46 R trains tho, I had to steal an image from the internet for my profile pic!
@@robert.halpern not fair. first the redbirds, then the brightliners, and now the r46s?
Well the R46s are 50 years old it's time for them to go they got a few more years left
At this point there too old and are starting to become a pain especially with the LCD signs a lot of the time they have an issue
@@lowfurts then put back the rollsigns if you got an issue
At least I more hears bc if r32 can go 58 years the r46 can
I have mentioned on several transit related forums that since the R46 during GOH receiver electronic side signs and OB style drawheads which are the new standard on the NYCTS, I feel that the R-46s will be retained and the R-68s and 68As will be the 75 footers to be scrapped first since they lack the amenities of the R-46s.
What the heck are you drinking? The 46's have been on their last legs since we got them. The were the most unreliable cars we had. Only the R 16 were worse. You formers only know about the cars since they were rebuilt. The 68's are no beauty Queens, but they far superior the the 46's, and the new junk 142-211.
I remember when the r46s were very fast on the F especially on queens boulevard. The 46s one of my favorite subway cars in the system that is still in service.
@Joshua V how many years have you been watching UA-cam
Imagine if the r46 (F) got on culver express
I believe that R46s are a staple of the NYC Subway, not to mention how amazing they look.
I grew up with R46 on the F and R lines in 2000s until they were switched back in late 2019.I know old things have to be replaced soon enough
The speed was nothing when compared to what is collectively known as the R9s built from different order from 1930 to 1940. They were the most common subway trains on the 6th and 8th Ave, lines in the 1960s. The F line within 1 minute already passed on the express tracks 2 local stations. I am a New Yorker who grew up in NYC during the Mad Men era! I was on the front looking out the front door on the Queens Blvd. Express on the F. The conductor opened a d closed thr doors in between the subway cars in the middle of the train.
I'm obviously younger than you but I've been on the transit museum runs and have been surprised with how fast they can go for such old tech. It wouldn't surprise me if they got slower over time due to safety restrictions.
@@robert.halpern Not in my opinion. Check out the videos for the Christmas season runs of the previous years going thru the 63 street tunnel to Queensborough Plaza.
@@luislaplume8261 WOW! I couldn't find a video of them going through the 63rd st tunnel but even on the E/M through the 53rd st one they are fast. Thanks for sharing.
@@robert.halpern Well the last time I rode that train there was in December 2009. The route may have changed since then. Even the neighborhood of Long Island City does not look as it did in 1961 when I was a little boy. The tallest building there was the Pan American Airways accounting rooms for their headquarters back in Midtown Manhattan aka then as the Pan Am Building that opened in 1960. I am from the baby boomer generation as you can see.
I rode the subways in the 50's -60's and during summer, I recall the front door being open sometime too.
This is my favorite video of all time since the R46 is literally my favorite car in the system
understandable and it's my favorite as well.
The R46s are the best trains to ride. The fluorescent lights plus white walls and ceilings on NTTs hurt my eyes, while the interiors of the R46s are a lot easier on me. And getting a forward facing window seat gives much better views and makes me less nauseous than longitudinal seating. And as a lover of all things vintage, that fake wood and beige wallpaper just feels so nostalgic. I’ll miss these.
I like the 46's. It's kinda sad to know that they'll be retired soon, but for a good purpose at least. I just hope the R211's won't have as much critical failures as the start of the R179 fleet.
Besides that, the editing for this video is great! Nice job. 👍🏼
The R-44s were 75 feet long as well. The R-110Bs were 67 feet long, as were the BMT standards. The entire system was slowed down after the Williamsburg Bridge wreck in 1995.
The new cars are terrible - brutal dentist chair lighting, the elimination of window seating, and now, apparently, corner seats are being removed as well. They’re robbing any pleasure out of the subway.
I'm for sure going to miss the R46 N/Q over the Manhattan bridge, the views with transverse seating and the massive picture windows were great.
All subway cars used to be noisy and rough like the R32s only worse. The decor wasn't all that great either. Then came the R44 and it was quiet, smooth. I think they introduced some new kind of suspension involving pressurized air, but can offer no explanation for the dramatic change in noise level. (Of course they were air conditioned, and people were accustomed to barrelling along with windows open on sides and ends. The length of the R44-46s makes them impressive. They used to have glass in the partitions by the doors where now there's nothing. (you'd think they wouldda caught on after all the ratan seat cushions got slashed.) And the The flourescents showing through the paper advertising and also shining down was cool, but the best was the classy wallpaper with NY + NYC seals. (not really sure what seals they are but have been meaning to take a picture, though I never carry the phone.)
The r211 is a case of “something being overhyped and when said thing is released it’s terrible but still loved-ish.”
1:00 that's an R68A. R68 cars begin with 2 and R68A car numbers begin with 5. Another way you can tell is: underneath the roll sign on the exterior, the R68 has a white metal plate separating the rollsign and the window. The R68A doesn't have that, as you can see in the timestamp.
R-46 originally came out with P-wire train line operation, it was very ineffective in the subway. Many failures, stalled trains. This was not one of my favorites to operate.
Didn’t even watch the video yet at the time I’m posting this
You automatically earned my respect
Ok, I like these and I like your video, its quick and direct.
I've always liked the R46. On the exterior, I like the rounded appearance, which is a departure from all the other subway cars which are quite boxy. I agree that I've always found them to ride pretty smooth. I really like the interiors. The yellow/orange seating and NYC/NYS logos on the wallpaper give a more warm and welcoming appearance that what you find on the rest of the fleet.
man i loved these cars. always felt so cozy to me. sure, the door and station announcements are helpful in the newer trains but i liked how quiet these are, and the seats i found to be more comfortable. plus i never went in one that smelled bad lol
The train looks boring and depressing and the gangways are closed, so i cant move from the front to the back
I remember thinking how fast they go when I rode it on the Broad Channel. And the nice calming rocking motion over the water. Will never forget it
Counter points from a train crew member.
the AC doesn't work in the cab.
there is nothing in the cab to hold on to when my partner is doing 40 up CPW and I'm bouncing all over the place, save for the master controller itself.
And yes, they do NOT rock, they bounce.
there is ONE buzzer in the cab and it's on the operator console instead of how every other train has three buzzers per cab (one on each door control consoles along with the train operator's console), meaning i need to leave my window to use it when operating on the off side.
the handbrake chain is constantly banging against it's housing
the TO's seat does not fold up like on every other train.
The side destination sign connectors sometimes foul up and I have to cross over to the other cab to set the other half of the train.
Literally the only thing the 46 has going for it is the spacious cab (compared to the closets on the R68s) and the sideways sliding windows (except when operating from the alternate position, where it can hit you pretty hard if you're not holding it open when your partner takes power. had one smack me in the face first time I did that)
Positives of the other trains.
R68s... none, they suck.
R143/R160.... the most user friendly control interface
R179... has a cup holder!
Stuff like the straps/bars to hold on to and the handbrake chain should be simple enough to fix I'd guess but they might not be a priority to the MTA because of how soon they will be replaced anyways. I'm guessing they fixed the AC for you in future cars but still that seems tough for TOs.
Hopefully the R211 just further improves on this situation.
I like them too!! They were a staple in my life when I lived in NYC back in the 70s and 80s. I was in NYC last month and rode on one and it brought back memories 🥰
Fun fact: I was on an R46 express N train going between 36 Street and 59 Street and it was going VERY fast. When we slowed down to enter 59th, the car I was in just VIOLENTLY jolted and I hit my head on the window very hard. (I was on the window seats) Generally I like the looks of the R46, but the movement just bothers me sometimes. Dont let me get started on the N O I S E- That 'humming' idle noise pierces my soul 😶
I love the r46 I don’t understand why some people hate them
I love the personality and vibe of your videos!!
Thanks lol
As for the R46 LCDs, they were also added in the 90s, but before then, the R46 used the rollsigns.
I love the R-46. I wish that The F train will never replace it even though they are still being used on occasion. And when the E train had them back in the 80s as well as the D train back in the 70s as well. I hope they never get replaced. And I love the interior. Looks classy.
I hated when the E was switched to R32s in the 1990s. Felt like a huge downgrade. I know railfans loved the R32 but I hated them on the E.
When I was a child, I remembered enjoying myself on the ride of the R46 train and listen to the chimes as the door closes, I wasn’t happy about the R32 or the newer train back then. I’m sure going to miss it when it’s gone, but hopefully it may come back, and hopefully the R211 train will do better.
I'm living in NYC for over 5 years now and from my experience of taking the subway on a daily basis I feel that these r46 trains are the best. they got the best seating arrangements according to me that allows looking outside through the window unlike the new trains where you only got to look at the face of the person sitting at your opposite seat.
Also, the stopping time on each station is less as r46 has manual announcement that saves a lot of time unlike the new trains that must play the whole automated announcement on each station.
I now feel sad that the F trains do not have the r46 cars anymore. I rode them just before the covid hit but now I do not see them anymore. I liked those cars so much that I would skip a few trains with new cars just to board on the next F train with r46 cars. If I got some extra time, I still often board on r46 A trains for some part on my way to school in Brooklyn from queens.
i'm pretty sure the R46 tops out at 67 MPH if i remember correctly from my friend unlike the 55 MPH on some others
Wow, you edit so, so well! This is on professional levels of video making, would love to know how you do it! Keep going with your production, I’m loving this.
Thanks! I've been editing for a few years but I still have so much to learn. I use Adobe Premiere and After Effects and there are a bunch of great tutorials on youtube if you want to get into it.
@@robert.halpern Perfect, been wanting to learn Premiere at some point, would love to see more transit based videos coming out, make sure to keep them non-biased and informational, it really suits where you're going!
@@Emperor_NYC good luck! Trust me you’re gonna have fun with premiere lol.
My next videos going to be very different (still on topic of nyc subway but it’s a challenge) but I really want to do more reviews like this in the future.
Why does this guy only have 218 subs???
The narrator and editing is spot on
Not a fan of them but I do like the 75ft length for a subway car. I love the swaying when at slow speeds. The a/c is crisp in them when working properly. They did slow them down 55mph in 60th street and mostly 25-35 in normal operation between stations.
Great explanation! the only things I wonder was why some of the trains have been switched to a older system. I’ve noticed the train system is also becoming slower and so many delays
Thanks! Some of the delays are because of redundant speed limits set in place. Fairly recently they've started removing some ( new.mta.info/press-release/update-mta-new-york-city-transit-made-significant-subway-speed-improvements-during ) which seems to be speeding up the system so far.
For me I would always love to be in the very end of the last car and see the tunnel going by. Cant do that with the newer cars since the booth takes up the whole back end.
I worship the R46! I don’t know why everybody hates them. It’s sad to see my boys go, especially since I have so many memories with them. I guess all good things must come to an end. However, these R211s look pretty cool. I’ve seen them 3 times on the A, but I never rode one. I really want to ride one and explore the features and see if it’s really fit to replace the R46. Keep up the great work, man!
Some of them The Air Conditioner don't work
I like the R160 and the R211
The N and Q Should Get New Subway Cars
Great editing skills, you deserve more subs man
I love the R46 on the A train especially in the rockaway stops.
I’ve only been on an R160 on the E. We headed downtown to WTC, then back to 42-PABT. The R160(in what I believe was an R160A) was really nice and ran smoothly.
The most amazing cars! I would often take the IND just to avoid the R-32s on the IRT. Quiet, quick, and the space-age sounds when the door opened. An incredible ride especially to Aqueduct.
The first time me and my brother saw an R46 at Coney Island, we were freaking out. 'Orange seats?' we said at the time!
NY has such a subpar Metro system having visited a few countries in my travels they should be improved
Your videos are very good for only having 278 subs, keep up the good work!
When I was little I used to call the r46 the mustache train 😭
R44/46 were tuned down after the Williamsburg Bridge disaster in the 90.
Field shunting was disabled because of signals..and overall mistaken made by operations.
This lead to mechanically slowing trains, installing slow timers all over the system...and slow zones.
With the newer cars,the speeds were not reduced to 40 mph.
The new cars are able to sustain a speed of 55 ,but generally don't get to travel above 50.
The Queens Blvd express can operate speeds of 65mph, as the R46 did so in "regulated mode" .
The cars were actually purchased to operate on the New routes the MTA had planned to build from the 1967-68 new routes plan.
The Second Ave SUBWAY was the primary reason.
By the time the new equipment was delivered,none of the routes were completed...
The Archer Avenue subway and part of the 63rd st Tunnel was completed by the late 80s..making the whole process pointless.
A short version of The SAS was finally opened in 2017 with 3 stations.
The R46s didn't see service there until a major car swap occurred due to CBTC.
The current Broadway line operates R46 ,68 and 68a subway cars. The 46s has finally served its purpose.
I only like the 46s on CIY cuz unlike pitkin it’s easy to kick the window down on cab doors. And on CIY then have a metal window
The 75’ length has been awkward for the R46 (and R44 and R68) from the beginning, but I love them anyway. The R46 interior is a genuinely nice place to be. I like the softer lighting, the seats, and the seating arrangement. I love the fake wallpaper pattern of NYS and NYC seals on the walls. And as a child of the ‘80s woodgrain is my favorite color and its gradual disappearance-first it vanished from electronics, then building interiors, and now it’s disappearing from trains-has been traumatic for me. The NJT Arrow III’s could well disappear from the rails at the same time as the R46 and then where am
I supposed to look when I need to see a picture of wood?
1:49
R46s is the fastest train
R62: *am I a joke to you?*
The fact that was my station 😂
between Prospect park and 7th and 7th and Atlantic, the car shakes like crazy! So I dunno about the suspension but the colors are classic and I do live the thing and this video is adorable.
If you grew up in the 1970s like I did, I actually grew up in the 1960s, you realize just how big an improvement the R44 was over any train that came before it. The interior was amazing, almost seeming like a luxury train compared to the others and definitely seeming like a mini-Long Island Rail Road. The quietness and smoothness were leagues apart from any existing train. And, to be honest, for its age, even now, the R46, based heavily on the R44, is still a quiet train if it is reasonably maintained. These cars are far more unique than the same-old R211s with their tiny windows coming. I don't love the R211s and wish the MTA would break the mold from the R143 look. Adding the bullet back and blue instead of black on the front and new lights doesn't change that from the side, they still look like R143s. The R46 has served well and it is time for them to go. But, they deserve respect for being trains that brought the MTA into the modern era.
Words cannot express how much the R46s are my top favorites. I love how their designed and the interior with the wood panels. I love the smooth suspension and the GE propulsion that is has. Do you have discord so we can talk? Also your editing is very admirable
1:25 the r179 is super fresh lemonade
The mta reason for buying these long cars was because they figured less cars less maintenance. The Rockwell trucks was also the source of many problems like cracks. Also the r 44 and 46 were to long for a lot of the system
The 46s are smoother riding than the 68s. We call them Cadillacs because of the big cabs. The Coney Island 68s tend to have spotted wheels like crazy because of the Sea Beach and Brighton lines. The 46s biggest issue is dead motors.
I thought the 68s were a disappointment. They didn't improve on the smoothness of the R46s and the interiors weren't as nice. Same general format but something is missing.
It's hard to believe the styling of the R-44 goes back to the late 60s.
nice editing I don't know if it was you but to whoever did it awesome job
Yeah I edit, glad you like it.
Great video, but one reason im not a huge fan of the 46 is because of the displays. It would display their southern terminus while its going northbound which usually tricks me up alot
Maybe the operators are doing a bit of trolling that day... yeah that must be annoying lol
If you wanna test speed take the B train or D at 34st Manhattan going to West 4 every time I take a ride there I feel like we’re going to crash from fast we go
you tripped up the untapped market
The electronic displays on R44 and R46 are not original and were installed in the early nineties as part of the overhaul. R68 weren’t subject to that overhaul because they were still pretty new at the time.
I don’t want the R46 to be replaced at all tbh. It’s been my favorite car for so long and the first time I saw it is when I rode the R.
Too bad they are old they have to go sorry
i agree i dont want them replaced
Their junk, garbage. Scrap them.
When I went to Atlanta years ago, some of their trains reminded me of the r46 interiors a little bit
Yes!!!! I was in Atlanta not too long ago myself and the transverse seating and colors were very similar. I wonder if they were built by the same people, I’m going to check.
@@robert.halpern Ok
I know this might be off topic but does anyone know what sound effect he uses at 1:10 the duh-duh one?
Not sure if I can post links without my reply being deleted but it’s: Dawn of the first day -72 hours remain
You can find it on UA-cam somewhere
Will always love the R46. Love the look and was always my favorite Subway car along with the R44
It is my favorite train to operate.
The R46s resembling the LIRR/ MNRs M-1/ M-3s is not by accident. The MTA had incorporated that design on its fleet back then which included the R40M, R42s, R44s, 46 and up until they started purchasing the newer generation subway cars which you see now taking over the subway fleet. The R46s weren't reliable at first but after the Rockwell trucks were changed and more so after their MK rebuilds, these ladies earned their keep. They feel more like a commuter train rather than a subway. I miss seeing them on the F line!
Ah yes the R46 one of the few cars that you can't go in between the cars
Sometimes have bugged out LCDs and etc
But is always there when you need it
And are very reliable even now
Also the r68s have outdated roll signs - r68 (Q) trains stop service at 57th & 7th instead of the accurate 96th and 2nd
Is this because they only run that one Q with R68 cars per rush hour and it’s not worth the costs to replace? That’s really interesting, thanks for sharing.
R46's are cool but the trains are not at much fault its mostly how the yards take care of them, Compare Coney Island's R46's to Piktins, Piktin doesn't clean Coney Island does and does regular Maintenace checks and they dont break down as much as the A and C lines R46's because piktin doesn't care, they just want the R211's and then just leave them dirty without a care on the cleaniness.
I prefer the window seats then the bench seating that the newer subway cars have. Maybe in the future MTA could try using window seats in their future train fleets.
Yeah. On my trip to New York City recently I noticed this. Trains built in the 70s and 80s on the B division (lettered lines) have window seats! Unfortunately, they are not planning to add window seats on any new trains. The reason for this is, capacity of the train sets overall. They take up more room than sideways seats. so you end up with much less standing room. I also think the interior on these was designed super well. The 70s and 80s were honestly the best era of public transportation design. You had warm lighting, wood grain accents, and often better seating! Chicago’s old 2600 series L cars also come to mind, though Chicago actually kept their bucket seat design and upgraded it with fabric backs on the newer cars thankfully!
I'm surprised a lot of people hate the r46 it's my all time favorite honestly
The train that started the modernization. Can’t believe this train is from the 70’s. Still fast and still smooth. Probably made its first passengers feel like they’re in the future, because previous trains were clunky and rough.
It absolutely did. Train felt like another world and an upgrade over the previous trains. Much, much more quiet and smooth than the R42s and earlier trains.
NYC definitely needs to modernize. Compared to other global citizens NYC is stuck in the past. Smh
You should make a video on the MNRR Shoreliner, and when it will be retired. They are by far my favorite train cars ever!
The Shoreliners are great and their retirement will be sad, I don't think anybody could reasonably hate those cars. My only wish is that they get converted to electric if the MTA ever chooses to reuse the general Shoreliner design.
The Amfleet cars are by far my favorite commuter rail stock, the metal lines are iconic.
@@robert.halpern When do you think they will be retired though? Yes the Amfleet, in my opinion are amazing too.
@@randomhuman-012 It's hard to guess... the Shoreliner III and IV are both reliable enough to stay in service even maybe until 2030 but they probably won't electrify the whole MNRR until well past 2030. So the MNRR would either need the more of the double-decker diesel car the LIRR uses (C3) or they need to produce another, newer Shoreliner.
Who knows? Curious to what you think will happen.
@@robert.halpern Well until the MNRR is electrified, it would be cool to see bi level cars on the railroad.
But I think what is more likely to happen is for the MTA to order a newer diesel car, like the Shoreliner V or something. But when the MNRR is electrified, all the shoreliners will have to go, and trains like the M7 and maybe the M9, will take over. It will be both good and bad, good for efficiency (not having to change trains) and bad because I love all the diesel equipment right now, and I’m sure other people do too.
Great editing 👌
The rocking is pretty satisfying though
What I liked about the R-46’s besides their looks was the old braking system when I used to run them in the 90’s.
When at a full stop and releasing the brakes they sounded like Chewbacca 😂.
Didn't mention the best part about the r46. It sounds sooooo good. It's almost default in my mind to what a NYC subway car sounds like
I completely agree with the narrator of this video. I prefer the roll signs of the r68 and the r68 A's. They are easier to read. They are clear and they identify both terminals without passengers having to wait for the sign to change. The 75 ft cars and the seating in the r46 are much more comfortable and spacious than these newer cars that they are replacing them with. The lighting and the decor looks a little more inviting as opposed to the newer cars that look like Hospital er's with their grey demeanor. The MTA would be smart to keep these cars a few more years as they are reliable, spacious and more comfortable.
To me it's sort of the opposite, I want to know the actual destination of the train quickly. If you're about to miss the train you can glance up and see where it's going. I agree with you on the having to wait for the destination being annoying but I don't think it's that long of a wait.
I also hope they fix the dull gray on the newer cars. Easy fix: use the alt paintjob that we see on the R160 sometimes. I'm guessing people like it more than the gray.
That explains why the J Z M and L don’t have r46s
1:24 what's that sound effect?
@@robert.halpern Sorry i meant sound effect when you said "the r46 became know as lemon cars or defective" with the skull emoji.
@@A-------A-y7k Ah my bad, that one took me a while to originally find too, it's Majora's Mask "Dawn of the first day"
@@robert.halpern Thanks!
That was a very informative video and hopefully one day I'll be able to go to New York before 2025 to ride on one of them! Glad to know and definitely on my bucket list
Fun fact, the R44/R46 have the same Interior but the R44 interior is blue Bur the R46 interior is yellow and orange(I'm talking about the seats) and they also have arm rest, so dose the R68/A
R44s interior is the same orange and yellow. The blue was added later to the seats.
I’ve lived in new york city all my life and still do, and my favorite cars are the r46, 42, and 44.
Miss the 42s & 32s, groundbreaking design
R32 is more older then r46
R32’s are retired, and with that logic, wouldn’t the r15 and stuff be even older?
One of the main reason for their dislike amongst rail fans is that Jamaica didn’t take care of them and they didn’t run the intensive service they do now when they were in Jamaica. Now at age 45 in 2020 you transfer them to heavy regular service on the N,W,Q and they are showing the wear and tear. There is no contingency plan for if the R46’s crap out before 2025 either, they’re sending the R32’s off to Ohio for scrap so if the 46’s really start to shit the bed than the riders are screwed and expect drastic service reductions.
Even with their lemon nature in their early days they had a smooth commuter rail style appeal and were even more of a smooth ride with the aforementioned Rockwell trucks but now they can’t be reliable for heavy service along the N,Q,W lines, as someone who rode the A,C J,Z when they had R32’s and rides the Q the 46’s give way more trouble than the 32’s who were also past their prime.
I don’t get why they rushed the scrapping of the R32s like that. Yes, it costs money to maintain and keep parked, but the city needed the R32 to deal the R179. Now what is going to happen something happens to those cars again?
@@robert.halpern -typical MTA mismanagement which got them fleet shortages in 93 and 2010, the fact that in order to retire the R32’s they had to slash C service in the beginning of 2020 prior to COVID shows you how badly the MTA is run. I mean 2019 was a year in which Subway ridership rebounded and 2018/19 were the only years in which I can remember reliability on the C line going back to when it came to Brooklyn and the MTA slashed C service just to get the 32’s out.
I could see the MTA’s train of thought in Summer of 2019 being that they could retire the 32’s slash service for a year and when the 211’s come in during 2021 service can be restored but as we see none of that happened and now the R46 are feeling the brunt of it and due to that the R68’s which aren’t spring chickens either are also being used more often on the Q putting a strain on cars which are in their mid 30’s, so a short answer is the MTA felt they could cheap their way until the 211’s entered service which has yet to come.
I love that car it’s fast and it has a lot of space for a lot of ppl to fit
The back and forth swaying is called hunting osculation and its directly proportional to the speed. yes you are imagining things. It should be about the same for all the cars.