Think Jim made the right choice though he could have just said she's attractive but, so what? But, given Pam's state, he probably made the right move. Also, as someone who's been with my wife for over a decade, there's not enough focus in popular media on physical lust moving into romantic love. It's either you're always hopping into the sack every chance you get, or you're about to head to divorce town. No wonder media has screwed so many people up?!
It does kind of help establish the main relationship conflict between Jim and Pam, which is that Jim has tremendous trouble being open and honest with Pam, sometimes for seemingly good reasons, but that's really the one thing she asks that he make a priority, and he consistently fails to deliver on.
Yeah she wants honesty but she wants him to be honest in a way that makes her feel better not because she actually wants him to tell her what he thinks
I would be like “it doesn’t matter if she’s attractive or not. I love you and you’re the most attractive person in this world to me. You’re carrying our child and that’s the ultimate form of love we could share. That’s the most beautiful thing in this world to me”
also when jim grabs the toothbrush off the rack at the end, is he just gonna walk out without paying, because he certainly doesn't look like he's making an attempt to pay there.
I always thought Mike Tibbets was a doctored photo of Nelson Franklin (the IT guy... I forget his name, maybe Shadow or Garth). The general shape of the face looks like him, and taking off his hair and plumping him up is easy enough This allows the show to avoid giving some poor boring looking guy a complex for the rest of his life. Fun fact: this same form of mercy was used with "Buzz's girlfriend" in home alone.... WUPHF!
Considering what Pam said about Jim making Cathy laugh and being annoyed by it, I think he made the right choice. Imagine how she would've reacted if she knew that Jim actually finds Cathy attractive
It's really just a judgement call and it depends on your spouse and your relationship with them. I've been in relationships where I know I could be open and honest about those types of things. I've also been in relationships where if you were open and honest about those types of things, you would open the flood gate for insecurities and hurt feelings. So I believe Jim made the correct call not answering based on what we all already know about the character Pam based on my past experiences. We know it would bother her and it would fester in the back of her mind which would then create issues in their relationship, if not right away later on in the relationship.
@@MetalSandman999 Considering how she reacted when "why was he making her laugh so much came up." I would say Jim made the right call. Do not forget that Pam was acting particularly emotional this season as evidenced by this episode and the end of the list. The only reason it turned out so badly was because Jim did not account for Dwight and Kelly.
@@henrypeters5291 it turned put badly because Pam knew it wasn't true and didn't want him to keep lying to her. We have the whole episode to see how well it went for Jim and how well Pam took his denials (I.e. not very). And even if Jim was in the right to lie the first time, that wasn't the end of it. Whatever spurred Pam to suddenly not want him to lie to her (since you don't ask that question if you want the truth), he kept at it and it just kept escalating.
I would definitely be bothered if I was told "yes, I would totally nail the new girl in the office if it wasn't for you" and my boyfriend is the same as me. So, naturally, reading your comment I was wondering: in the relationships that you were open, secure enough with each other and shared such info, what value did that bring to the reationship? You got closer?
@@MsMinoula did you not watch the episode? It sounds to me like you didn't watch the episode and see how well Jim lying and saying no (repeatedly) worked...
The office ladies said the picture was likely taken on set near a production ramp but no one knows who he is. (Mike tibbets) . Love this commentary it is objectively attractive commentary 😂
"Pam's Replacement" was a decent but not outstanding episode. It had some funny moments and some touching ones, but it also had some flaws. The main plot of Pam trying to prove that Jim likes Cathy was a bit silly and unrealistic, and it made Pam look insecure and paranoid. The subplot of Robert joining the band was even less entertaining, but it also felt like a way to show off Robert's talents and charisma, without giving much development to the other characters. The episode had some good jokes and lines (e.g., grabbing the penis), but it also had some clichés and stereotypes. It was a typical episode of The Office, but not one of the best ones.
Given the coming drama where Jim easily brushes her off and Pam doesn't even seem threatened, I think assuming that Jim finds her attractive might be wrong.
When it's someone who is, as everyone around them agrees, objectively hot like Cathy, it feels more suspicious to deny the attraction like Jim does. Sure it's "tactful" but it's ironically what raises all of Pam's alarm bells and he's forced to keep doubling down on it.
I am waiting for another video to be uploaded and just thought "Ugh I wish there was something to watch for the meantime, like a new Office vid of Mulverine" Reloaded thr home page an viola, there you are :D
I would never side with Jim here. Whether or not it was right to lie to Pam the first time she asked, from that point on she was begging him to just stop lying to her and he wouldn't.
Jim did the right thing not saying he thought Kathy was hot, it would've only caused Pam distress. And then given what Kathy does later it probably would've only caused more trouble.
@@MetalSandman999 And what do you think would've happened if he said "Yes, Pam I think the woman who will be sitting next to me while you're away is attractive" It was a lose/lose situation
@@slospop1125 in a lose/lose situation, go with the truth - especially since, in this case, the whole episode was focused on her trying to just get him to be honest.
@@MetalSandman999 and then what? You think Pam is going to like that Jim thinks Kathy is more attractive than her? It's just going to make her feel bad about herself and she's already in an emotional place. Yes Jim lied, but he was doing it for the right reasons. Like telling a little kid you think their stick figure drawing is great. Also this isn't relevant, but I feel it's worth saying, but imagine what happens if Kathy found out Jim thought she was attractive.
@@slospop1125 the question wasn't whether Jim found Kathy more attractive, just that he thought she was. And Pam clearly knew he did because any guy would. You're acting like Jim just said he didn't find her attractive at all (an obvious lie) and the episode ended. But we have the whole episode to show us that it blew up in his face. Not to mention the foreshadowing it served for of all their (admittedly hamfisted) marital problems in season 9.
Jim should be honest coz Pam knows and it hurts her that he treats her this way just because she is pregnant. She even says "I'm not asking you if you would date her, but if you find her objectivly attractive". So yeah, just be honest.
@@bcsmith8994 I haven't been in a situation where I asked for the truth? It isn't like Pam would be mad. She is more upset that he lies to her because he things it would hurt her, which makes the whole thing worse.
I'd probably just say 'she's all right' if I were in Jim's position. If he says 'no' it's obvious he's just saying what he thinks Pam wants to hear, but he can't very well say 'yeah, she's the hottest thing I've ever seen in my life'.
This was probably the earliest I hated Robert California and saw the character's original potential being squandered. He basically just bullies his way into the band and takes it over. Less a Svengali and more just a jerk.
The cold opening doesn't deserve a 5/5 at all. Plus it's not connected to the plot at all 🤔, so I don't understand why would it have such a perfect and why the ratings change criteria for scoring a 5/5 over time.
Season 8 and 9 aren't that bad. We just hate them because Michael isn't there. I think that season 8 for me was top 5 seasons, and season 9 is actually pretty enjoyable.
Chris my dude, I'm in the same stage of my life as you are. Losing hair, overweight etc I started weight lifting like 10 months ago and I'm happy with being able to appreciate my reflection in the mirror more and more for the first time in my life. I have a question about hair: what do you use to keep your head like you keep it? Im gonna jump ship and go bald this year but I don't want a shiny bowling ball of a head, I want what you have. Any pointers? Ty!
The feeling women's swollen baby bumps must be a US thing. Because I'm a middle aged UK man with 2 biological kids of my own. A step-daughter with a kid. And 2 sisters who popped out 7 kids between them. And I've NEVER seen anyone affectionately feeling up their bumps. Or done it myself.
This episode leads the audience on the path to the lows of the Office series. The Jim/Pam A plot in the Steve Carell era would've been a B plot. The episode reveals how much the show's struggling to get it's footing in a post-Michael Scott world of the Office. Gonna have to side with Jim, 100%. Yeah, Pam says she wants honesty from Jim, but there's absolutely no upside to him admitting her replacement is attractive. Not a good idea before Pam's pregnancy and definitely not in the final stages of the pregnancy. Dangerous territory and a no-win for Jim.
The cold open was absolutely a retread of diminished returns. The episode was so mid. Pregnancy and fat jokes don't carry an episode alone. Dwight and Pam are fun, the "tests" are pretty fun but the episode is a slog. Kevin's band is okay but its not their best outing.
Guys, you're going to get a lot of different advice in these comments, but NEVER tell your very pregnant wife that you find another woman attractive. The hormones have control of the ship at that point and you will be doing her a favor by saying no and then quickly changing the subject to something about the baby.
There is no benefit to admitting she’s an attractive person. But just bc she’s attractive doesn’t mean he wants to be with her. He is absolutely in love with Pam and Cathy stands zero chance. Maybe Jim could have addressed it better, but ultimately it’s an unnecessary trap. The better way of dealing with it was just reassure Pam that she’s the apple of his eye. But at the end we see the pettiness of the whole notion of even asking that question, when they both realize the health of each other trumps everything else…because they are having another child together and their bond of being parents is more important than who each other finds attractive.
11:14 the point you just made is why a lot of modern women have strange views of men. Men are supposed to be honest because we're tough and strong and the only barrier between ourselves and the truth. We aren't supposed to lie because we can fight and use our strength to uphold the truth. So what if he got into a fight about an obviously hott woman?! It sharpens our spirits we have to be strong enough to handle a discussion. I'm sure Pam would have gotten over it. Especially since she thought she was hott too.
To the question of should Jim or should'nt Jim. As a man that has been married for many years and lived though a couple of pregnancies, I can honesty say Jim was right, admit to NOTHING!
Think Jim made the right choice though he could have just said she's attractive but, so what? But, given Pam's state, he probably made the right move. Also, as someone who's been with my wife for over a decade, there's not enough focus in popular media on physical lust moving into romantic love. It's either you're always hopping into the sack every chance you get, or you're about to head to divorce town. No wonder media has screwed so many people up?!
It does kind of help establish the main relationship conflict between Jim and Pam, which is that Jim has tremendous trouble being open and honest with Pam, sometimes for seemingly good reasons, but that's really the one thing she asks that he make a priority, and he consistently fails to deliver on.
Yeah she wants honesty but she wants him to be honest in a way that makes her feel better not because she actually wants him to tell her what he thinks
"My wife kinda digs me" = victory, bro
I like the conference room background
I would be like “it doesn’t matter if she’s attractive or not. I love you and you’re the most attractive person in this world to me. You’re carrying our child and that’s the ultimate form of love we could share. That’s the most beautiful thing in this world to me”
also when jim grabs the toothbrush off the rack at the end, is he just gonna walk out without paying, because he certainly doesn't look like he's making an attempt to pay there.
I always thought Mike Tibbets was a doctored photo of Nelson Franklin (the IT guy... I forget his name, maybe Shadow or Garth). The general shape of the face looks like him, and taking off his hair and plumping him up is easy enough
This allows the show to avoid giving some poor boring looking guy a complex for the rest of his life. Fun fact: this same form of mercy was used with "Buzz's girlfriend" in home alone.... WUPHF!
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The Office Ladies couldn’t track down who Mike Tibitz was either? 🤔
Btw 💛💛💛 “Bullfrog in love” 🐸❤️😂
God I love you for the Mom fashion advice anecdote and the following little talk about self awareness...
Considering what Pam said about Jim making Cathy laugh and being annoyed by it, I think he made the right choice. Imagine how she would've reacted if she knew that Jim actually finds Cathy attractive
It's really just a judgement call and it depends on your spouse and your relationship with them. I've been in relationships where I know I could be open and honest about those types of things. I've also been in relationships where if you were open and honest about those types of things, you would open the flood gate for insecurities and hurt feelings. So I believe Jim made the correct call not answering based on what we all already know about the character Pam based on my past experiences. We know it would bother her and it would fester in the back of her mind which would then create issues in their relationship, if not right away later on in the relationship.
How well did Jim obviously lying to her work out in this episode? We don't even have to wonder; we have the whole episode.
@@MetalSandman999 Considering how she reacted when "why was he making her laugh so much came up." I would say Jim made the right call. Do not forget that Pam was acting particularly emotional this season as evidenced by this episode and the end of the list. The only reason it turned out so badly was because Jim did not account for Dwight and Kelly.
@@henrypeters5291 it turned put badly because Pam knew it wasn't true and didn't want him to keep lying to her. We have the whole episode to see how well it went for Jim and how well Pam took his denials (I.e. not very).
And even if Jim was in the right to lie the first time, that wasn't the end of it. Whatever spurred Pam to suddenly not want him to lie to her (since you don't ask that question if you want the truth), he kept at it and it just kept escalating.
I would definitely be bothered if I was told "yes, I would totally nail the new girl in the office if it wasn't for you" and my boyfriend is the same as me. So, naturally, reading your comment I was wondering: in the relationships that you were open, secure enough with each other and shared such info, what value did that bring to the reationship? You got closer?
@@MsMinoula did you not watch the episode? It sounds to me like you didn't watch the episode and see how well Jim lying and saying no (repeatedly) worked...
The office ladies said the picture was likely taken on set near a production ramp but no one knows who he is. (Mike tibbets) . Love this commentary it is objectively attractive commentary 😂
Can't wait for the field guide on the hotel episode.
"Pam's Replacement" was a decent but not outstanding episode. It had some funny moments and some touching ones, but it also had some flaws. The main plot of Pam trying to prove that Jim likes Cathy was a bit silly and unrealistic, and it made Pam look insecure and paranoid. The subplot of Robert joining the band was even less entertaining, but it also felt like a way to show off Robert's talents and charisma, without giving much development to the other characters. The episode had some good jokes and lines (e.g., grabbing the penis), but it also had some clichés and stereotypes. It was a typical episode of The Office, but not one of the best ones.
It was a typical season 8 episode. Unrealistic and cartoonish. This episode doesn't deserve more than a 1/5
Given the coming drama where Jim easily brushes her off and Pam doesn't even seem threatened, I think assuming that Jim finds her attractive might be wrong.
This!
When it's someone who is, as everyone around them agrees, objectively hot like Cathy, it feels more suspicious to deny the attraction like Jim does. Sure it's "tactful" but it's ironically what raises all of Pam's alarm bells and he's forced to keep doubling down on it.
I am waiting for another video to be uploaded and just thought "Ugh I wish there was something to watch for the meantime, like a new Office vid of Mulverine" Reloaded thr home page an viola, there you are :D
I would never side with Jim here. Whether or not it was right to lie to Pam the first time she asked, from that point on she was begging him to just stop lying to her and he wouldn't.
Your show is the bees knees!
Jim did the right thing not saying he thought Kathy was hot, it would've only caused Pam distress.
And then given what Kathy does later it probably would've only caused more trouble.
Would have caused her distress? What do you think him obviously lying to her did throughout the episode?
@@MetalSandman999 And what do you think would've happened if he said "Yes, Pam I think the woman who will be sitting next to me while you're away is attractive"
It was a lose/lose situation
@@slospop1125 in a lose/lose situation, go with the truth - especially since, in this case, the whole episode was focused on her trying to just get him to be honest.
@@MetalSandman999 and then what? You think Pam is going to like that Jim thinks Kathy is more attractive than her? It's just going to make her feel bad about herself and she's already in an emotional place.
Yes Jim lied, but he was doing it for the right reasons. Like telling a little kid you think their stick figure drawing is great.
Also this isn't relevant, but I feel it's worth saying, but imagine what happens if Kathy found out Jim thought she was attractive.
@@slospop1125 the question wasn't whether Jim found Kathy more attractive, just that he thought she was. And Pam clearly knew he did because any guy would.
You're acting like Jim just said he didn't find her attractive at all (an obvious lie) and the episode ended. But we have the whole episode to show us that it blew up in his face. Not to mention the foreshadowing it served for of all their (admittedly hamfisted) marital problems in season 9.
Just wanted to say your videos rock and I wish I had this breakdown for every series I like
Jim should be honest coz Pam knows and it hurts her that he treats her this way just because she is pregnant. She even says "I'm not asking you if you would date her, but if you find her objectivly attractive". So yeah, just be honest.
Yes I get that, but we all know the character PAM... She would take exactly how we think she will, hence why Jim chooses not to be honest with her.
@@AmmonHenderson I have a feeling you are one of the people who know another Pam than I do. She is not the jealous type.
Someone clearly hasnt been in this scenario before. Its a lose lose situation. Jim did the right thing by not answering
@@bcsmith8994 I haven't been in a situation where I asked for the truth? It isn't like Pam would be mad. She is more upset that he lies to her because he things it would hurt her, which makes the whole thing worse.
Did you watch the full video/episode? Jim literally explains why he does what he does. Also nice English
Amazing channel. Amazing thumbnail
We need comments about Dwight grabbing Jim’s part. xD
Bro great vid. Haha dude love your analysis man. You are spot on!
Bro i am a pretty new fan of the channel and wanted to say that your vids are amazing.
Welcome aboard!
I'd probably just say 'she's all right' if I were in Jim's position. If he says 'no' it's obvious he's just saying what he thinks Pam wants to hear, but he can't very well say 'yeah, she's the hottest thing I've ever seen in my life'.
I love the background!!!
This was probably the earliest I hated Robert California and saw the character's original potential being squandered. He basically just bullies his way into the band and takes it over. Less a Svengali and more just a jerk.
The cold opening doesn't deserve a 5/5 at all.
Plus it's not connected to the plot at all 🤔, so I don't understand why would it have such a perfect and why the ratings change criteria for scoring a 5/5 over time.
I was vibing with it. I don’t think 5/5 means it’s perfect. I do wish I was connected to the episode. Maybe 4/5 is in line.
Great episode, and great review!
That was the deepest meaning
New backdrop is awesome!
every time you say "my wife" you sound like Borat lol
I thought Mike Tibbits was the last IT guy that called out the office but without hair
Season 8 and 9 aren't that bad. We just hate them because Michael isn't there. I think that season 8 for me was top 5 seasons, and season 9 is actually pretty enjoyable.
Chris my dude, I'm in the same stage of my life as you are. Losing hair, overweight etc I started weight lifting like 10 months ago and I'm happy with being able to appreciate my reflection in the mirror more and more for the first time in my life.
I have a question about hair: what do you use to keep your head like you keep it? Im gonna jump ship and go bald this year but I don't want a shiny bowling ball of a head, I want what you have. Any pointers? Ty!
Love it! So I just shave my head. Sometimes I let it go for a few days in between shaves, but I’m pretty bowling ball-esc
The feeling women's swollen baby bumps must be a US thing. Because I'm a middle aged UK man with 2 biological kids of my own. A step-daughter with a kid. And 2 sisters who popped out 7 kids between them. And I've NEVER seen anyone affectionately feeling up their bumps. Or done it myself.
This episode leads the audience on the path to the lows of the Office series. The Jim/Pam A plot in the Steve Carell era would've been a B plot. The episode reveals how much the show's struggling to get it's footing in a post-Michael Scott world of the Office.
Gonna have to side with Jim, 100%. Yeah, Pam says she wants honesty from Jim, but there's absolutely no upside to him admitting her replacement is attractive. Not a good idea before Pam's pregnancy and definitely not in the final stages of the pregnancy. Dangerous territory and a no-win for Jim.
Make a video about Angela
Chris, are you AT Dunder Mifflin ?? 😅
I went to high school with a Michael Tibbets.
Also, your wife is oh my god so beautiful!!
Agreed! Inside and out
And all I could think of is why would Pam ask a No-Win question like that to her husband? No good will come from that - for anyone.
i feel like recycling the joke concept for the cold opening makes it less than a 5/5
Jim did it right
Tell the truth
Which is . She isn’t that hot and no , her breast are not large. Jim had nothing to worry about
The cold open was absolutely a retread of diminished returns. The episode was so mid. Pregnancy and fat jokes don't carry an episode alone. Dwight and Pam are fun, the "tests" are pretty fun but the episode is a slog. Kevin's band is okay but its not their best outing.
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Humans are not animals
did you pass 7th grade biology
Guys, you're going to get a lot of different advice in these comments, but NEVER tell your very pregnant wife that you find another woman attractive. The hormones have control of the ship at that point and you will be doing her a favor by saying no and then quickly changing the subject to something about the baby.
There is no benefit to admitting she’s an attractive person. But just bc she’s attractive doesn’t mean he wants to be with her. He is absolutely in love with Pam and Cathy stands zero chance. Maybe Jim could have addressed it better, but ultimately it’s an unnecessary trap. The better way of dealing with it was just reassure Pam that she’s the apple of his eye. But at the end we see the pettiness of the whole notion of even asking that question, when they both realize the health of each other trumps everything else…because they are having another child together and their bond of being parents is more important than who each other finds attractive.
11:14 the point you just made is why a lot of modern women have strange views of men. Men are supposed to be honest because we're tough and strong and the only barrier between ourselves and the truth. We aren't supposed to lie because we can fight and use our strength to uphold the truth. So what if he got into a fight about an obviously hott woman?! It sharpens our spirits we have to be strong enough to handle a discussion. I'm sure Pam would have gotten over it. Especially since she thought she was hott too.
To the question of should Jim or should'nt Jim. As a man that has been married for many years and lived though a couple of pregnancies, I can honesty say Jim was right, admit to NOTHING!
This was one of those episodes that made me start getting more annoyed with Pam
First! 😁
Never be honest to women.
Too much talking
I popped over to your channel and listened to your three minutes and two second video about the Pinecone Genie. Thanks for your feedback.
I love Kathy 🤤