"Don't you ever judge me." | What Cazador did to Astarion and Astarion's Empathy | BG3 ACT 3 SPOILER
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- You get this scene when the camp gets attacked by his siblings after encountering them at the flophouse in Act 3. This particular dialogue triggers if you choose to say nothing during their argument, they will reveal that Astarion was the 'weakest' because he never fought back. Truth was that he did fight back, way before his other siblings even existed and he paid the price as he explains here so the fight in him was gone by the time the others came around.
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literally THE MOST tragic back story. like if he's not saying somethign hilariously sassy hes saying the most heartbreaking shit ive ever heart
I agree. It was much worse than I'd speculated. Honeslty, no wonder he is how he is. Maybe it is too much to expect him to be nice after what he went through. It's unimaginable.
The sass is a cover, to hide his broken self.
@@stars-and-cloudsand yet with the good ending, he is. And he’s good to you before that, too.
@@kstar1489 yes, he is but I meant more like, it's too much to expect it of him. It's cruel to expect him to be kind and nice after everything he went through.
Through this game I have learnt that we assert a lot of pressure on everyone to be nice because it benefits us as social beings but for some who have been through so much, it is probably too much to ask and expect. People should be nice, yeah, but we shouldn't just expect that of them considering we don't know what they've been through nor should we judge them to be the ultimate evil because we have seen like 1% of their entire life and not the other 99%. Astarion used to be decent until his niceness was snuffed away from him.
@@stars-and-clouds Sass is just how I cope, because it’s absolutely hilarious. I’m fine.
There's a dialogue earlier in the story where you can say something like, "I hope you'll be alright, seeing your siblings again," and he brushes you off like, "oh, ha ha, you're so silly and adorable." And I was like, oh boy. He's deflecting. This is gonna be a trauma meltdown.
Yup.
Astarion was never a bad person. It's just that between the Gods never answering his prayers of being saved, or any adventuring heroes rescuing him, and Cazador punishing him for having a conscience and acting on it, Astarion has zero motivation or reason to be heroic or selfless without getting anything in return. It fully explains why at the tiefling party he hates being treated as a hero.
😢 How else can you feel after that.
Neil Newbon totally killed it here.
He honestly nailed every single line.
Imma need an ASMR of him sneaking.
@@iritkogan6314 I can't *stand* whispering and yet, somehow, I keep clicking on Astarion while he's sneaking. help, it hurts so good. XD
I’m so glad there’s an option to hug this man I swear to god!
Yes, but only once…. which frankly isn’t enough imo 😤
This!
@@mun3698I just wouldn’t let go and he’d have to drag me along with him
We should be able to hug him at will. He deserves all the hugs...
@@ComedyLoverGirl being able to ask him for a hug same as I can ask for kisses would be so good 😭
I would choose hugging him over kissing him 80% of the time, he really does deserve all the hugs
I like to headcanon Tav as a descendant of the guy Astarion spared, just so I can feel like that act of selflessness paid off.
Yeah but if you're Sebastian's great great great great great grandson, will Astarion still want to sleep with you?
I don't think Sebastian is the "sweet man" that Astarion spared, given that Sebastian said that Astarion first "taught him how [to kiss] and then destroyed him" meaning he was seduced, led to Cazador's Palace and taken away.
It's not Sebastian @@philippides
His story is awful and encapsulates everything Cazador forced him through. He was not only made to suffer in complete isolation, but any attempt at companionship was punished. He says this was in his first decade of slavery, implying that he had already been a vampire for a few years. Astarion had already endured years of being tortured by Cazador, but still disobeyed him in the hopes to save a near stranger.
Astarion did give up, but only after one of the cruelest punishments you could inflict on somebody, especially given his trauma of digging himself out of his own grave. And then he survived another 160 years after this. It's a testament to his strength that he was able to hold out even as long as he did, and that he had any empathy left by the time he escaped Cazador for good.
God bless the people who decided to turn their Fenris fanfic into a video game.
😂😂😂 my dream is a reality
Omg I didn't like Fenris at all. I referred to him as a hysterical twig. BUT! Contrary to my expectation, that was the first time whole game revolved around a companion. Hawke and Anders romanced, and the main quest became getting THEM out to the end. Preferably without world destruction, but that wasn't imperative. Anything and anyone was sacrificed along the way.
As I laid eyes on Astarion, I just thought - not again.
But that's exactly what's going to happen, and Astarion is far superior in every way...
I do see it tho, now that you wrote it. Coincidentally, I don't find Gale interesting as much. And they did kinda do the Justice thing. Not literally but pretty close
@@moranasprowler I love Fenris but God, the similarities were actually really distracting lol Especially when it turns out he has this giant brand on his back lol
Yeeaah BioWare did NOT add in enough Fenris fun time to satisfy the crazy fans created.
The sole reason why Dragon Age 2 wasn’t a complete flop and people look back fondly of it now a days? Fenris.
(Okay, the whole group were pretty damn awesome. Sucked they were locked into that drab game alone, never to adventure together again because BioWare didn’t want to repeat a group two years in a row. 🙄 they deserved better than just DA2)
@@Norinia I still say that DA2 had the absolute best companions. The other games, even the far better Dragon Age, can't compare in that regard. Is it any coincidence that the best companion in Inquisition is Varric?
Damn ...I didn't expect this I actually cried wow the voice acting in this game is insane. 😢 I didn't expect to see so much depth for the characters. I really need a PC just to experience this game .
Ikr??
Oh, I wrote a long post about how astarion won't betray tav and made a long analysis about him in it but I never expected him to be this way. Larian really surprised me with how soft he is. He's so touching and sensitive and cares so deeply about the mc... plus, he was always sensitive, hence him being merciful to the boy but his circumstances stopped him from being that nice.
@@stars-and-cloudsTrue there is also line where you try to break up with him becouse you are afraid of your Ilithid tranaformation. He is so sweet there saying you can't make decision for him and that he won't leave you. His good romance is so great and sweet I couldn't belive and was so happy when he confess in act 2 i was sure he would kept us in darkness and even maybe betray us but he decided to be honest. Becouse all of this his ascendent versiom hurt me so much but i can understand that. There is no way somebody so hurt and broken like Astarion who only just start healing process could not be change by such evil tranaformation. And after all although in that case his love for Tav is twisted he still wants to make us happy.
@@105saphirano lol FUCK his Ascendant path!!! I never wanted to there ever but I got curious and went looking for videos of it and I'm even more certain right now that I'll forever steer clear of that path. He literally turns into a monster; like Cazador. And I really hate how people twist his obsession and toxic possessiveness over Tav into "love" like???? Wtf.
@@ariruuu I mean you are right I stopped him from finishing ritual and only watched Ascendant Astarion on yt.
It’ll take so long to heal, unfortunately, especially if it’s 200 years of abuse. It probably feels like yesterday to him. There will be relapses, recovery, relapse, and more recovery. But it’s a lot better than Ascending, where he’ll just become exactly like his abuser.
Voice actor deserves an award 👏
He did get one!
I wanna give him a hug so bad 😭😭
you can
@@mzamnesia7190 I mean yeah but yk more in a I want to go into the screen and give him myself a physical hug kinda way 🗿
@@princesstavarez5405I’m so sorry..I am a horrid creature…
@@-Loki_Laufeyson- no you're not
@@alsy6813 But I’ve done so many terrible deeds, does that not make me awful? I’m turning into that wretched Cazador…or maybe I was already like him from the start..all those children I..
Faaaack, this poor boy. The writing coupled with Neil's voice acting is wrecking me emotionally
How many times can my heart break for Astarion? He had to endure so much.
Thank you, I really appreciate, that you included in your description, how to trigger the scene.
You're welcome ♥️ and the feeling is mutual. I didn't expect him to be so AHHHHH
Truly I cannot fathom how people encounter scenes like this and still believe that the Ascension route is his ideal ending… Like sure Cazador suffers more but so do all those innocent people, many of which Astarion was forced to lure back to him in the first place. He also does not allow himself any moments to express emotional vulnerability (especially indicated by how he can barely stand to hear the name Cazador without deflecting or lashing out while Spawn Astarion will fully admit that he wanted to be just like him for a moment) and as a whole it’s a process that denies him any opportunity of introspection, self-acceptance and healing, in favour of completely detaching himself from the clear guilt he once felt and attaching his own self-worth entirely to the power and control he wields. It earnestly does feel as if him is essentially trapping himself in a prison of his own making
Exactly. Very well said. I never understood why most people who ascends Astarion wants to justify their actions as the right one for some reason.
I can't help but feel that the people who ascend him have the exact mindset Astarion does and that is not healthy for him. Irl, they'd be called enablers.
Seeing him close himself off worse than he was at the beginning of the game would break my heart. All that work for nothing. From a gameplay pov, you basically reset all your progress with Astarion if you ascend him, it's like deleting your romance progress from your save lmao.
-_- because some people actually think? I mean look, I could argue either way to be honest, but... really? you don't think they suffer feeling the constant hunger? The first thing Ascended Astarion notices isn't how powerful he is, it's that he doesn't feel like he's constantly starving. But you know, keep telling yourself that the actual evil choice of releasing them into the Underdark is the right answer.
The truth is, they need to die (and if you choose that without ascension its not treated as evil), because the game doesn't allow for a gradual rehab to safely turn the ones that can be set free free. Now mind you, in my first good playthrough I did release them into the Underdark, but it was a struggle, only assisted because I had a Drow Durge (still isn't his right to release them but at least it's HIS home he's wrecking and not someone else's ), and planned to go to the Underdark with Astarion to clean the mess he made up. I also had to head cannon that once they get it all sorted out for the spawn, that would give Astarion time to chime in on what he'd rather do, because it actually sounds like being adventurers together was what he would have rather done (but he's still not confident in being the one to say what he wants rather than checking in with Durge).
So, if they need to die, and if we stop trying to force this to be a 'cycle of abuse' narrative (which is clearly is not when you look at the facts), it's easy to see why, if they have to die, it obviously makes sense for some use to come of it. Imagine telling victims you were going to make them go through the pain of the trial, but oh, it would be evil for someone to benefit from your suffering, so we're not going to use this to protect other victims. We just want to make sure we make you go through what's the best thing for society. That's essentially the argument about ascension being morally wrong. Now, one could argue it might not be the best path for Astarion, but that's not the same discussion as it 'making him evil' (which it certainly doesn't).
@saribeepo.o5111 Treating your partner like property, not allowing them to leave, and guiltripping them for even trying is pretty cut and dry abuser behavior... like it's totally okay to enjoy both sides of the story or even the darker side of the story, but the references to cycles of abuse are not subtext - he says it outright.
He admits that he wanted to become Cazador in that deciding moment. Granted he's not exactly like Cazador - he's practically speaking almost more Lestat-like - Okay when things are going his way, but terrifying when they aren't. ( perhaps he falls somewhere between the two with his love for making you debase yourself for him) The way that he is "like Cazador" is the way that he is obsessed with "power over people" even if he's not as overtly sadistic about it.
Enjoy your toxic character, he's fictional, he can't hurt you or me or anyone else. If you don't want to think about it in terms of abuse dynamics, and just want to abstractly enjoy the vibes, that is totally reasonable and fine, but trying to rationalize it into the ground isn't really helpful.
@@stars-and-clouds I ascended him because I wanted the story. If I ascend him again it'll be because it fits the rp aspects of the Tav's journey. That being said, I'll probably scum save kicking him in the balls (again) because my god he pisses me off 😂 He's such a pos - I just sit there shaking my head at him half the time.
I will admit, I thoroughly enjoyed turning everyone (left) into their worst selves. We destroyed the world together - it was certainly something. And then I backed all the way back to the ascension choice and redeemed everyone I could. It was really satisfying to take the same character, my same Durge, and take the story all the way to hell and back 😁
@@coloraddiction except he does allow the PC to leave, the PC can go with Karlach to Averrnus with no problem. There's also no evidence of him treating the PC like property, other than emphasizing how the PC is 'his'. That is, in fact the normal way it has always been understood between a couple, as we should remember that most people are NOT alright with poly relations.
He furthermore let's the PC dictate the course of their future, always accredits success as being both theirs, and speaks of them as being a united pair. He not only allows, but supports the PC in his/her desires to seize their own power, and allows a semi-open relationship. This is not how one treats property. His whole thing about obedience is all bark and no bite.
There is then the other element that this debate often neglects. They are, in fact bonded, and Astarion says just as much before turning the PC. Despite some being in denial, I've seen consistent reference to Dnd lore (with a cited source from E2) that points to the PC being made a 'vampire bride', not a spawn. In this case, the PC's well-being is tied to Astarion, such that he/she could be used against him. That's not to say what he does is good. He should trust the PC with this information, which I suspect would satisfy most people who forget the importance of the in game setting (if the damn kiss scenes were fixed). However, these are the same insecurities Astarion has always had (and likely has even if one goes with the spawn ending). They need to be worked through, wether the PC enjoys their dynamic (and wants it to continue) or not. However, that's not the same as being abusive, and it sure as hell is no where even close to what Cazador was and did.
My heart always breaks for Astarion. He has such a good heart, underneath all the bs he's built up to hide his pain. He's kind. And loving.
On another note: we can find out Astarion isn't the only person who starved for a year in Cazador's Palace. The other being Cazador's niece, Amanita, who it is implied may have been a true vampire, not a Spawn, considering she fought him every step of the process lol. She refused to drink human blood after her transformation and locked herself in the attic for a year, until she finally relented to drink. Honestly there are some interesting implications with her, considering she mentions other family members: a grandmother, and cousins among them (Astarion does mention being a slave to the Szarr Family, not just Cazador,) and some sketchy "Family Rites" that Amanita would have no part of, but mentions she was forced to become a vampire during them (honestly it sounds like she may have been intended as a Vampire Bride? Super sketchy considering *she was THIRTEEN* ). I've seen a few people headcanon that she killed the other members of her family since they never appear or get mentioned outside of her notes. She also cannot be found in Cazador's Palace, alive or dead. But we know she wrote books, including books on vampirism! Fascinatingly there is only one place this little girl vampire is mentioned outside of Cazador's: Raphael's House of Hope. He has a copy of her book on vampiric illnesses.
I'm kinda disappointed that Astarion never talks about her...
How interesting! I did not know that!
He might not have known about her. The idea that she might have ended up in House of Hope is pretty hearbreaking, but she likely wasn't going to get any kind of positive ending no matter what.
Still, a deal with a devil really would seem like no big deal compared to Cazador, at least in the moment. The reality... is, well, same shit, different shapes.
@@coloraddiction honestly I think it's unlikely that Astarion didn't know about her considering she's really new, only like ~20 years ago. Sure it's possible he forgot about her. He forgets a lot of things.
But yeah.... Cazador and Raphael are cut from the same cloth... I hope she's safe now that Raphael is dead. I think her and Astarion would like each other if they got to know each other, and she has a lot to thank him for now.
Every time I stop thinking about how much of a raging bastard asshole Cazador is, another video pops up in my recommendations to remind me. He gets off too lightly in any of his endings.
EXACTLY??? IKR? To quote Tav, "Death is too good for (him)."
And what makes it more complex is that Cazador was once like Astarion, a tortured slave vampire spawn. And if you let Astarion ascend, it's implied that he will become like Cazador. It completes the whole metaphor for the cycle of abuse.
@@ComedyLoverGirl cycle of abuse. The abused becomes the abuser if they don't heal.
@@ComedyLoverGirl No... we need to put this to rest because this is the exact misconception that has people buy into the BS that Astarion becomes Cazador if he ascends.
It SOUNDS like Cazador had a similar experience to Astarion, but he didn't at all. If you pay attention to what you learn from the skull of Cazador's former master, everything he went through was clearly done to TRAIN him to become the head of the family. You need only remember that his master has to be willing to allow him to drink his blood to become a full vampire to know this, but then take into account why he gets punished. He gets punished for showing weakness when he turns to a friend not because his master wanted him to sacrifice the friend, but because he was being taught that in vampiric society relying on such attachments to peers will get him killed. The second lesson shows us he is punished, not for trying to kill his master, but for failing to kill his master (who must have already given him full vampire status by that point). When he finally manages to kill his master it isn't through plotting it is part of a vampiric right, and they share a laugh. It is Cazador who dishonors the tradition, by disrespecting his master's remains. Which, I can't help but imagine is why he makes a point to stick around until he can ensure the true nature of his rules, which is to groom the next lord, are passed along. It wasn't until Cazador made a mockery of the lessons that he had a way to know he chose the wrong man for the job (as later proven by Cazador's actions as head of the family).
Cazador on the other hand has no intention of letting his spawn become full vampires. In fact, he doesn't even intend for them to be spawn, that is merely their place holder while he gathers enough to perform the ritual. He goes out of his way to torture them when he actually has no reason to do so. Consider, he only needed two things for them before sacrificing them. 1. gather more spawn which they could have been coaxed or forced to do if he treated them well. 2. have the scars caved into their flesh. This would have been one single night of suffering out of Astarion's 200 years, and had he done something to make it hurt less, he wouldn't have needed to take as long correcting mistakes.
when taking into account the nature of vampiric society, and what it takes to survive in it; there is no cycle of abuse here, and certainly Astarion, at no point does anything even remotely like what Cazador or his master did. Take out the goofy Tav/Durge faces during the kissing scenes and there's 0 reason for anyone to say anything against him. Not even past his first day, and Astarion, while still high off his new powers already talks about protecting his 'children' (ie the spawn he will no doubt turn, because if he doesn't establish himself other vampires WILL come for what he has).
@@saribeepo.o5111 have you not seen how ascended Astarion treats origin Karlach? Calling her broken and defective and breaks up with her because he cannot turn her, so yeah for that alone he is no longer “the nice Astarion” because a partner who actually loved their partner would never say such hurtful things to them.
I want to hug him tightly and never let go of him.
Astarion, Laezel, Shadowheart, and Durge suffer a 'nature vs nurture' dilemma. They start out as violent and evil, but if they're influenced to make healthy life decisions, they can break away from their old ways of thinking.
very true!
OH MY GOD MY HEART IS SHATTERED IN A MILLION PIECES
I never thougth Astarion to be one of the most complex characters in the game
I was so shocked when I got this... I was floored. Neil delivered this perfectly! But I felt horrible because I didn't mean to come off as I had judged him! I immediately turned off my game, I will deal with this after work haha.
It’s really no wonder Astarion turned out the way he did. He was trapped in that hellish existence for around 200 whole years, only for no one to come to his rescue. It’s only natural that he grew to distrust people.
This is yet another scene where i SO wish you could give him a hug... I always just have to imagine my Tav cupping his face or something with that "im sorry" line
I don't need to defeat the Absolute. I need to hold him and never let him go.
SAME. (it's funny bc I actually haven't finished the game still xD I keep restarting and stop around 90% of act 3)
@@stars-and-cloudsLOL same fam. I just wanna kill Cazador kiss Astarion and dress my party up in cute clothes while ignoring the main quest.
@@stars-and-cloudsI literally only finished it because I knew there's an epilogue after that. And for the scenes you get after the final fight in general, like when I talked with romanced spawn Astarion (after killing Cazador and releasing the 7k spawn) and it was really sweet and I suggested we go together into Underdark to help guide the spawn, and he was genuinely happy I suggested it and that I said "we" 😁. One of my favorite moments in the game, especially since I actually like the Underdark. That's probably why the next playthrough, my current one, is as drow and idk if I can go back to surface races, lmao.
When I asked him the question, I wasn't trying to judge or accuse him, damn that story hits like a truck
Fucking hell, this is heartbreaking
Wish we could hug astarion more.
Not me hurting my own feelings deeper by wondering if the "sweet man" was Sebastian... 😢
I don't think so bc Astarion ran away and let this man go, Sebastian was captured. Then there is a time difference. Sebastian happened much further in Astarion's life, this man was within his first decade. Sebastian had been in the palace for 170 yrs, so Astarion would've been atleast 30 as a vampire when he met Sebastian.
Makes you wonder how many people Astarion liked but had to bring them back anyway...
@@stars-and-clouds There is another line by Astarion, if you talk to him right after finding the imprisoned spawn and asking him about how many ofthe people he lured to Cazador were his lovers, and he says, "Most of them were drunkards, cut-throats and brothel-goers... but from time to time, there was a Sebastian..."
0:34 well done Astarion well done lad🫡
Now i kinda feel bad excluding him from facing Cazador. He was kinda angry about it, when i mentioned him that we did it.
does he ever bring it up again if you exclude him?
@@cassandrasingh28 No. Thou, he stayed in the camp anyhow so maybe he would have if i taken him, not sure.
i was also able talk him down at that time and make him be fine with it more or less with a roll. Even without it didn't escalate to anything big. My next interaction with him was at the end credit roll so it did not really matter.
Wait, what??? You didn't take Astarion with you to the finale of his own personal questline?? You denied Astarion not just the agency and choice to decide for himself if he wanted to go through with the ritual or decline it, but you denied him the chance to kill Cazador himself with his own hands... the _one_ thing he wanted, the thing he _needed_ to get closure on his tormentor of 200 years? Wow, that is evil.
@@Kevlord22 okay gotcha
@@TF2CrunchyFrog probably why they feel bad about it, as they clearly stated before
oh boy... did not yet have that line but... urgh, that one got me
Gods, that makes the evil version of the ritual even more enticing, Cazador suffered more...
Yeah, it's giving me second thoughts... Shouldn't have underestimated Cazador's cruelty.
that just turns him into cazador tho lmao
lol no that just makes him Cazador 2.0
From the notes in the Cazador's chambers you will realize that it's a pattern. They were all turned into those monsters after taking their masters power. Even this story about trying to save someone from their master, Cazador did the same thing when he was a spawn. If you're able to get the answers from Cazador's old master skull you'll see that they went through the same.
@@ThiagoHenrique-wh7qrcycle of abuse represented perfectly. I truly believe ascended Astarion becomes like Cazador going forward and we become like spawn Astarion. Same thing repeating over and over.
200923 thats is another heartbreaking story... i think there is more...
How did you unlock this line of dialog? Do you have to keep quiet when ambushed by his siblings??
Yes
I've already finished BG3 once but haven't seen this dialogue. The more I know Astarion’s story, the more my heart is broken. The next time I play the game, I want to let him ascend.
Don't do it lol
Make sure you have Halsin to balance things out 😅
If you walk around Jaheira's house with both Astarion and Jaheira, Astarion learns that he was forbidden from that neighborhood because Jaheira killed the last spawn lurking around her house. Now I wonder if this was one of Cazador's, and Astarion is the oldest surviving sibling (and Cazador had to gather up the ashes for the ritual).
i got this too. this made me want to help him ascend
it is tempting, yeah. but I feel its fulfillment is very shortlived and isn't the ending he deserves. Cazador is already dead when Astarion ascends, so by ascending he's not punishing Cazador, only himself.
Does anyone know how you get this scene? I don’t think I had these dialogue options in my playthrough
You get it when the camp gets attacked by his siblings after encountering then at the flophouse. This particular dialogue triggers if you choose to say nothing during their argument and they say that Astarion was the weakest because he never fought back. Truth was that he did fight back, way before his other siblings were even there and he paid the price as he explains here so the fight in him was gone by the time they came around.
@@stars-and-clouds Thank you so much! I did get the scene with his siblings but I don’t think I chose to say nothing so that’s probably why I didn’t get the same dialogue options. I’ll have to go back to it sometime, I don’t wanna miss any of Astarion’s scenes I’m too invested in his character.
Is the "sweet boy" he's talking about here, Sebastian?
Nope. He found Sebastian 150 years ago iirc. This boy is from 190+ years ago. Also this boy probably lived whereas Sebastian was captured. Astarion also remembers this boy but he doesn't recognise Sebastian when we meet him.
@@stars-and-clouds When I was in Cazador's Palace recently, Astarion did recognize Sebastian and was shocked that Cazador kept him. And when Sebastion asked how long he's been in there, Astarion said "170 years, you were one of my first" I have wondered for a while if the "200 years" is rounded in some way because it's easier and makes a stronger point than like 183 years or what not. I also maybe just want to know more about the Sebastian story. When Sebastian says "My name sounded like music on his tongue" (that's when Tav was just talking to him, and then when Astarion is there he says "My name sounded like a lyric on your tongue") I was so saddened but also inspired but that line. I'm probably reaching lol but still. :P and I mean, who's to say how fully accurate his memories are of the time? being abused and locked away for whatever amount of time, would get difficult to keep track of. Still, my heart. I just finished my first run yesterday. '
Did you get this by not finding his siblings as soon as possible?
i think this scene will happen even if you speak to them. they report back to cazador of his whereabouts. if you take too long they show up at the camp
@@ena_ina Oh thank you! I always missed this because I rushed the castle 🥹
I just got it randomly one night... Idk what siblings you're talking about =(
@@ena_inaare there any downsides to this? or should we do the quest as soon as possible?
@@stars-and-clouds there are two other of his siblings you can run into at the floghouse at the crossing :)
how do you get them to attack the camp? i had astarion in my party when encountering them at the flophouse and when i approached the two he threatened petras, i kept quiet the entire time and i just never??? got ambushed at the campsite... i progressed a fair amount into the city after already doing other side quests so i definitely took some long rests after it. unless i just happened to do all those quests and kill cazador within 3 nights? haha...
edit: okay i loaded my old save and long rested right after the flophouse 8x in a row and nothing happened, do you need to camp in a specific location?
you have to rest at Elfsong Tavern
@@Artemisia8426you don’t actually. just rest after finding the siblings in the flophouse, that’s the only requirement
Hmm... First time was definitely too early since this happened 3 nights or so after the flophouse incident for me.
Second time, I think your game was glitched probably... Or you don't have his approval in exceptional perhaps. Did you ask him about his siblings in act 2? Maybe that matters too but that's just my speculation.
That's all I can think of tbh, sorry =(
personally it happened in the lower city camp for me but i’m not sure if you need to be in the lower city for it to happen, maybe try that out :)
i replayed this cutscene and cant get this dialogue option to show up. none of them say anything about astarion giving up fighting him. how do i get this to trigger?
That option only shows if you choose to 'say nothing' during his argument with his siblings bc then they call him weak and say that he never fought back, hence you can question him about it. Hope this helps =)
how do you get the ambush to trigger? i tried long resting so many times and could never get the spawn to ambush the camp after i already met petras and dalyria at the flophouse
Can we see the other option answers pls
I'll upload the others but they're more or less the same other than this and the other one I have already uploaded.
ua-cam.com/video/TWNc_EZw5b0/v-deo.html there you go =)
I didn’t get that option for dialogue, how do you get it?
Check the description!
Omg, I’ve never seen this dialogue. Horrible.
How do you get this dialog?
Read the description =)
How did you trigger this dialogue?
It happened by itself about 2-3 night's after (spoilers ahead)
meeting his other two siblings at the flophouse. I didn't go to Cazador's house after it so I think they just seeked astarion out. This particular dialogue triggers if you choose to say nothing during their argument.
Why is she bloody? I had the same stupid mistake and it ruined the scene for me 😅
I don't mind the blood =)
@@stars-and-clouds my best moments with astarion are when we are both bloody. Makes the kiss even more screenshot worthy
@@ketnettyyep xD he has no issues with it, I am sure 😂
its immediately after a fight. if ur characters are injured or something they are typically bloody
After a combat encounter your character will be bloody and/or bruised if they have taken damage. I think you can clean it by casting Create Water on the character, or throwing a water bottle at their feet? Haven't personally tried it but people mentioned it.
This scene was one of the deciding factors in going for his ascension route. This man deserves everything after what Cazador did to him, including his maker’s power.
No regrets ❤
I know he is apaprently bi, but he always mentions being with men. Hmm.
its possible that hes bi with male preference/lean. i think also bi works so that the options are both genders for any of the romance-able companions but you can take it as you will. its just speculation on my end.
@@BurritoadintheholeMaybe cazador was the gay one, hence why Astarion was always sent after boys. Though there is a girl in the cell with Sebastian
But both the writer and voice actor confirmed he’s pansexual
@@Burritoadinthehole thank you for agreeing with me on this, im a bi woman who has always had a lean/preference to women but have dated men as well so its very re assuring to me that there are people like me as well on the pan side of things ☺
This thread is really relatable because I'm Bi but it's strictly towards femboys when I'm looking for a male partner.
Astarion sounds like an SS officer.
"I was just following orders"...
Except, it's much worse
Except in this case he has zero choice. Thralls can not help but follow the commands of their master. Vampire masters have total control over the sound of their thralls.
He was literally worse than a slave, he was a puppet as he put it, not even in control of his own body. You’re disgusting for making such a comparison.
I mean you literally see it happen in the scene the tiefling tries to let him escape but can’t they’re completely helpless.
Vampire spawn don't have free will - his body will literally follow the commands no matter how he might try to resist (This is also true in dnd5e)