There's No Excuse to Hunt with a Creedmoor Anymore--How to Cut Recoil

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  • Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
  • A rifle with uncontrolled recoil can (1) Make the shooter flinch more, and (2) Prevent you from spotting your impact through the scope. With these 5 changes, you can dramatically reduce the recoil of a rifle.
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  • @rwschumm
    @rwschumm 10 місяців тому +177

    As a retired Mechanical Engineer, let me say looks like exactly the correct approach in designing your pad. Well done Peyton & Jim!

    • @dominic6634
      @dominic6634 10 місяців тому +4

      As a retired machinist I agree;)

    • @Charlatan-Parodyman
      @Charlatan-Parodyman 10 місяців тому +2

      They are smart people

    • @Kross8761
      @Kross8761 10 місяців тому +3

      And to his point at 23:18 about "peak pressure" not being the end all be all of recoil reduction: even if two things achieve the same peak pressure, the one that gets there slower will feel like it has less recoil. Slowing the impulse from a hit to a push, even if the push is the same amount of force, it will feel softer.

    • @nunzionapoli6325
      @nunzionapoli6325 10 місяців тому +1

      A Maxi Pad without wings.

    • @ChatGPT1111
      @ChatGPT1111 10 місяців тому +5

      I'm calling BS. Did you notice their graphs do not have the axis vector labels, either horizontally or vertically? Are we starting above zero as many finance charlatans frequently show. Is it even linear as opposed to logarithmic, etc. Kind've negates the precision of the graph lines.

  • @pogeegitz
    @pogeegitz 10 місяців тому +21

    What you're describing as the force over time is called impulse. Very similar to momentum, it's the abruptness of that pressure spike that feels like a punch, that you're turning into a push by spreading it out over time with the pad. And with the two different materials in your pad, you're essentially doing what the shocks and struts are doing in your truck suspension. I really like the throne idea - Weatherby got a lot of customer complaints with their first gen butt pad having issues when being stored in a safe.

    • @exothermal.sprocket
      @exothermal.sprocket 9 місяців тому +2

      Perception of recoil is very different from person to person as well. Very important to get actual math involved in designing something to reduce pressure (in PSI for example) on the shoulder. Time is very much a factor in that pressure and what is perceived by the rifleman. Honestly it's really the same ballistic principles in play in both directions, whether you're talking about bullet flight or rifle stock movement.
      The audible pressure wave is also something that's going to change perception of the shooter, which in most cases becomes more dramatic with a muzzle brake, even if the firearm movement is reduced.
      Eyes, ears, sound concussion, and finally stock punching the shoulder. It's several human senses suddenly becoming pounded.

    • @anthonykaiser974
      @anthonykaiser974 9 місяців тому

      ​@@exothermal.sprocketI remember spotting an AR-50 Mark Westrom was demonstrating years ago at Cp Atterbury for a Crane sponsored event, and even that was difficult due to the muzzle blast deflecting back onto my brow, causing me to blink every shot, missing the impact. Found out how important where you lay next to a braked gun is important.

    • @exothermal.sprocket
      @exothermal.sprocket 9 місяців тому

      @@anthonykaiser974 Would wearing some good stout goggles help with the impact of the blast wave across the face, shielding the eyes from it? Maybe that would make no difference.

    • @anthonykaiser974
      @anthonykaiser974 9 місяців тому

      @@exothermal.sprocket maybe, but it was hitting my forehead pretty good. Considering that a 50 BMG is pushing a bullet 10x the mass of 5.56 at similar velocities, imagine how much blast is coming back at you from an AR-50's clamshell brake. You just need to get out of the blast arc, and that puts you immediately to the side and slightly rearward of the shooter. I had never been a spotter before, so I was kinda hanging out a bit, not being comfortable being right on some stranger's shoulder.

    • @exothermal.sprocket
      @exothermal.sprocket 9 місяців тому +2

      @@anthonykaiser974 I guess it depends on the design of the brake. The "tank-style" brakes on BMG's direct pressure at a backward angle, I'd suspect that would be pretty intense standing beside the shooter to the left or right. Similar brakes like a 3 to 5 segment unit can direct the blast exactly lateral, 180° from the bore axis. I'd assume that would be much less blasty to the rear of the rifle.

  • @MikeJones-vb1me
    @MikeJones-vb1me 10 місяців тому +18

    Jim!!! Congratulations on producing a product!! This looks amazing and you’ve thought of so much. I’m impressed. I took my new Mauser in 7 rem mag out today and I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a little worried about flinching from how much harder it hits. This would be such an improvement. I love it!

  • @TheWVgoodguy22
    @TheWVgoodguy22 10 місяців тому +27

    The thought 💭 time and engineering behind this is astounding Jim and Eric. Especially with the custom pad depending upon cartridge and rifle. I also like the Throne idea. That’s extremely handy.
    One of the major reasons why I didn’t get a 300 WSM in a Tikka T3X Lite was how sharp the recoil is compared with others. I ended up with a Savage M110 Long Range Hunter which is two pounds heavier and has a muzzle brake. Not bad recoil, but super loud as you might expect.

    • @keithprinn720
      @keithprinn720 2 місяці тому +2

      get this recoil pad with your savage will be a magic reduction and easier to enjoy option.

  • @SVWildHare
    @SVWildHare 10 місяців тому +4

    I appreciate most people on UA-cam. It’s a tough business and damn sure hard way to make a living. Google certainly likes to take their share. It’s great to see someone not only creating content but creating a product. I don’t have any of the rifles that you currently manufacture for but I have submitted a request for two very popular ones that I’m sure will be coming soon. ❤

  • @GB-zi6qr
    @GB-zi6qr 10 місяців тому +15

    This is what drives innovation!!!!
    Congratulations on your creation!!!
    Until recently I had never shot a rifle equipped with a suppressor. About a month ago or so a range near me hosted something like a mini-shot show. The called it "Gunstock 2023".
    So I had the opportunity to shoot a bolt action.308 with a suppressor on it. IMO, the suppressor didn't so much reduce recoil as it slowed it down so there wasn't such a quick recoil.
    Awesome work!!!

  • @dennisgray7509
    @dennisgray7509 10 місяців тому +4

    I’m not to recoil sensitive but I’m teaching my grandkids and I think this would be so awesome. I will definitely look into these

  • @pauldavies4650
    @pauldavies4650 10 місяців тому +6

    Love it guys. Well done!
    You're going to have trouble keeping up with demand, and you're going to need people.
    What would be good is if companies start licensing the product from you and selling it with their guns

  • @benjaminbagley4168
    @benjaminbagley4168 10 місяців тому +17

    If it does what you say it does (I’m not doubting your claims) then I believe you have done a good job on price point. $90 isn’t unreasonable to me. I’ll be looking to get one as you develop into other guns. Specifically Winchester model 70. And Boyd’s AT-one which is a cool wood stock but has a terrible recoil pad. The Winchester is from the 1970s and just has solid plastic, no rubber at all it and will bruise me if I shoot half a box of ammo.

    • @backfire
      @backfire  10 місяців тому +9

      Thanks Ben! Looking forward to expanding to having Winchester Model 70 and Boyd's At-One. We'll just keep spreading it rifle-by-rifle until we have everything covered.

    • @rogermurphey7444
      @rogermurphey7444 8 місяців тому

      Jim. Do you have a recoil pad for the Kel-Tec K-2000??? The factory built In pad leaves a mark on my shoulders after 20 rounds or so. That's why I don't shoot it often. If you made a add on pad, it would solve that problem. Please let me know. Thanks Roger.

  • @treyh0079
    @treyh0079 10 місяців тому +5

    Cool product guys…. I appreciate the passion yall bring to the table. I’ll be keeping an eye out for these! 👍🏻

  • @doughesse6022
    @doughesse6022 10 місяців тому +11

    I have always hated the slap. I was always ok with a big push. That is why so many people like the 375 h&h because it was a push more than a slap. I was wondering if it helps with muzzle jump. Good work looks like a great product

    • @phild9813
      @phild9813 10 місяців тому +1

      Agree with the concept. I have a 45-70 that shoots much lighter than it ought to, even with heavier hitting loads. Very nice recoil pad too.

  • @robertcoffman9563
    @robertcoffman9563 10 місяців тому +1

    I ordered a recoil pad this eve for a Tikka T3X Lite Veil Wideland in 6.5cm. I had already put a limbsaver on it for no other reason than just because. At 70 years old and having shot for 62 years at least, recoil has never bothered me and still doesn't. I have shot 300 Win Mag, 270 WSM, 45/70 guide guns, and Marlin .444 and everything in between. However I enjoy Backfire and want to support Jim, hence the reason I ordered a pad for a 6.5cm. I also sent a note for a rifle I would like to add one on which is a Fierce Carbon Rogue in 7 prc which comes with the Limbsaver. Best of luck Jim!

  • @tareeprecision
    @tareeprecision 10 місяців тому +2

    It's impressive to see such ingenuity in the recoil pad game! 🤩

  • @leonardogarcia2506
    @leonardogarcia2506 10 місяців тому +5

    I believe the recoil pad you tapped on the truck hood, was hard and smooth on that corner to prevent grab or friction on clothing. This video is interesting though. I’m intrigued in the product.

    • @ryanmorris4406
      @ryanmorris4406 10 місяців тому +1

      Yep. Read up on shotgun pads and scout rifles.

  • @bongdudugenio9947
    @bongdudugenio9947 9 місяців тому

    you guys rock! this is the design missing the entire muzzle recoil management for decade. salute to you all!

  • @markwalker4485
    @markwalker4485 10 місяців тому +1

    Glad to see you have not yet got nerve damage. Or ear damage. Shot lots of .500NE and .416Rigby and after years I feel the damage

  • @tylervolentine1286
    @tylervolentine1286 10 місяців тому +2

    If you want a really good muzzle brake, the APA Hypertap is AMAZING. Probably the best brake out there

  • @getinthespace7715
    @getinthespace7715 10 місяців тому +1

    I like EVERYTHING about this video.
    Great job!
    I'm ordering a 300 PRC right now. 😉

  • @jacquesmaree2178
    @jacquesmaree2178 10 місяців тому

    "Rescue" just as I thought, this table is more than perfect,, BEAUTIFULL. this table is truly a "LIVESAVER" I hope you get 2million views and more and give this extrodanry beautiful table away. GOOD JOB, WELL DONE 🎉🎉🎉

  • @ErikCortina
    @ErikCortina 9 місяців тому

    I tried this recoil pad last week and it absolutely works! Buy with confidence.

  • @wc7102
    @wc7102 10 місяців тому +1

    Thanks Jim, and family. Your channel has taught me a lot. I’m definitely buying 1

    • @backfire
      @backfire  10 місяців тому

      Great to hear!

  • @michaelhubbard144
    @michaelhubbard144 10 місяців тому +24

    Wow as I've gotten older I've gotten more recoil shy. I am really interested in trying out your recoil pad. I really commend you and your crew for the effort you put in! I can't tell you how much I enjoy watching your videos.

    • @phild9813
      @phild9813 10 місяців тому

      Same here. I somewhat annoyingly really like the 6.5 creedmoor for big game hunting or anything with a suppressor. Limbsavers are my friend too.

    • @m.osburn13
      @m.osburn13 10 місяців тому

      As long as the cost is worth it. If it's up past 30 buck why?

    • @m.osburn13
      @m.osburn13 10 місяців тому +1

      So u will have to buy the odometer for the recoil pad for it to work right. Just the. Cost will be outrageous of course just for a recoil pad. Way to much headaches for just trying to get a good recoil pad. Maybe for long range shooters that dont even hold the gun either the hands they hold them in visas and every adjustment is made by an object instead of the shooter and then the shooter barely touches the trigger lol. That is not shooting that is just math problems that the shooter still doesnt do all his computers cell phones and everything but the shooter figures out lol. This is ridiculous I am sorry but this item wouod be good for them

    • @m.osburn13
      @m.osburn13 10 місяців тому

      Then why have a recoil pad for a shooter that dont even touch the gun but with his finger.

    • @m.osburn13
      @m.osburn13 10 місяців тому

      Hiw much$$$?

  • @chrismcdonald6942
    @chrismcdonald6942 10 місяців тому +6

    Looks cool... BUT... you need to put units on your graph axis. How do we know the comparisons are accurate?

    • @rickoshea8138
      @rickoshea8138 10 місяців тому +1

      Or, at least put the two graphs on the same axis.

  • @jordankelly5250
    @jordankelly5250 10 місяців тому

    Ordered! Can't wait. I was literally debating between another mag or a limbsaver for my 300WM Tikka. And this video sent me in a new direction.

  • @MrGrey-vo2og
    @MrGrey-vo2og 10 місяців тому +1

    glad I became a subscriber a couple months ago. looking at getting a 7 mag at the end of next year, I'll probably be getting the recoil pad before then!

  • @azlaw2001
    @azlaw2001 10 місяців тому

    Awesome Pad. I love the self testing you do to ensure the product is what YOU would want to buy.

  • @ottokittel709
    @ottokittel709 10 місяців тому +5

    I hope that it will be easy to change out. the last recoil pad I had installed at a greedy gun shop, the cost was $240. labor plus the cost of the recoil pad right at $320.00. If you can change the recoil pad with a screw driver your self, your product will be a home run!

    • @backfire
      @backfire  10 місяців тому +5

      60 seconds with a simple screw drive

    • @Gunrunner223
      @Gunrunner223 10 місяців тому

      If the gun doesn't already have a pad, the stock will need to be shortened to keep the length of pull right.

    • @neglectfulsausage7689
      @neglectfulsausage7689 9 місяців тому

      Im the first person to be a cheap george costanza deal sniffer. However, I also recognize that with government fees, from permits and land taxes, to everything else, along with the fact that you have very low repeat business for guns (who really goes to get their gun fixed up by some other guy all the time?), they have to charge more. Its the same way that small manufacturers of limited goods charge more, and you think that buying it from a big mfg who produces 10,000x the items is cheaper and not price gouging you.
      If you've ever heard the saying the first battery costs 50,000 and the 1 millionth costs a few pennies, you understand how large scale operations can "hide" business operating cost from you. If you're messing with a gun shop you're in direct contact with actual economics and value, because they need to charge based on what it takes to make a tiny bit of profit while keeping their employees fed.
      If you cant afford it, fine. But calling people greedy for charging for something you wont do yourself when they want to make a living just like you do is pretty tone deaf.

  • @abowhand
    @abowhand 5 місяців тому

    Great video, Thanks! Some time ago I saw a video with a recoil measuring device that incorporated steel rods for the gun to move back along. A great visual for comparison of recoil from different guns and cartridges!

  • @billg6051
    @billg6051 10 місяців тому +3

    Thanks as always for the info and your time!

    • @backfire
      @backfire  10 місяців тому

      Happy Thanksgiving!

  • @m444ss
    @m444ss 10 місяців тому +1

    i hope this takes off, in part just b/c i love to see entrepreneurial success but also because i want to see it available for many more platforms.

  • @jhulgan85
    @jhulgan85 18 днів тому

    This speaks to when someone approaches a problemsolution throughly. This is brilliant. 👏🏼 Hopefully this takes off and will be available for all kinds of rifles and sizes.

  • @Rockhead75
    @Rockhead75 10 місяців тому

    Pretty cool going so deep into an issue that's never been !! Good timing

  • @davidjrojas
    @davidjrojas 6 місяців тому

    This could be super helpful for folks looking to train out of flinching. Great engineering!

  • @mainenorthwoodshunter3265
    @mainenorthwoodshunter3265 9 місяців тому +1

    Very Cool. I am glad someone has FINALLY put some more thought and technology into making a recoil pad. As you stated it really makes no sense to have the same clump of rubber on all calibers. The one thing I did notice in your video is all your testing as far as I saw was you shooting in a prone position. The body naturally soaks up more recoil that way. Shooting from a standing position like most hunters do may make different recoil issues you havent tested yet. I am just saying! Maine North Woods Hunter (Shane)

  • @devrinmg
    @devrinmg 10 місяців тому +1

    Wow great job guys looks like a great approach to try and tackle the problem!

  • @adamturnbull6157
    @adamturnbull6157 10 місяців тому +3

    This is really cool. I thought the price was going to be crazy based on the R&D and all your time. I have to say for a truly custom product I think you are competitive. Can't wait to try it out

  • @carlLackey-qk8sd
    @carlLackey-qk8sd 10 місяців тому

    I use a limb saver now on most all my rifles, for sure getting one of these. Love the look!! I am putting a Horizon 22cm in a Hnt 26, being built right now, this will be a great addition.

  • @Hi-0678
    @Hi-0678 9 місяців тому +2

    @23:35- from the force gauge readings, assuming the graphs were force over time, you can measure the overall force exerted on the shoulder -take the integral. This will allow you to compare the dampening effect of the recoil pad. You might also get the same effect with higher durometer flexible materials other than traditional TPU. There are some really cool alternatives out there. I really enjoyed the engendering approach to this! I kept thinking you were gonna bust out a standardized jig.

    • @glenembry9041
      @glenembry9041 8 місяців тому

      I would like to see your graphs show the scaling on the X, Y; I also agree with @Hi-11109, that the Integral would be an interesting number to compare. You could also break that up and look at the integral to peak, vs the full cycle integral.
      One other suggestion would be to either set your scaling higher to show the full number of your peak pressures and/or purchase the proper transducers the can measure the highest pressures.

  • @joeldelorme1382
    @joeldelorme1382 10 місяців тому +15

    Can you post these graphs with actual numbers. So we can compare better

    • @backfire
      @backfire  10 місяців тому +4

      I'll work on preparing some that we can show more detail on. The issue with showing numbers is the way the pressure sensor works. It compares two shots to each other very precisely, but it's finicky to calibrate to precise ft-lbs numbers. The scale is really just a percentage of the maximum pressure it can read, and the lines are percentages of the max output. Roughly, it's 25 ft-lbs at the top of the scale.

  • @jefferyking116
    @jefferyking116 10 місяців тому +2

    Looks like a great product and you guys have put a lot into it. I'm looking forward to trying this out on a Texas rifle. Maybe my 300 PRC.

  • @MrRebar15
    @MrRebar15 10 місяців тому

    *Backfire* Bravo well done, thank-you sir for taking the time to show us this amazing product. GOD Bless.

  • @kellyrick4365
    @kellyrick4365 10 місяців тому +2

    Awesomeness.... congrats guys!

  • @johndunn9423
    @johndunn9423 10 місяців тому +5

    The hard plastic on the one recoil pad isn't to prevent deformation, it is to avoid snagging and promote a smooth gun mount. Rubbery material tends to grab fabric.

    • @johnseptien3138
      @johnseptien3138 10 місяців тому

      Thank, you someone else cringed when Jim described the reason for the heal end of the but pad having a harder material and being rounded. If you ever shot low gun international skeet or sporting clays you grinned when he mentioned industry's "fix" for standing a gun on it's heal.

  • @Flyboy9305
    @Flyboy9305 10 місяців тому

    100% will be looking at adding one to my 300 PRC when I get it. Nice work!

  • @MrTacklebury
    @MrTacklebury 10 місяців тому +5

    I don't own one of the supported models, but someday may try one. Maybe you should consider having a slip on version like Limbsaver and kickeeze has for more universality. Then you don't need the cage for storage, just take it off.

    • @REDNECKROOTS
      @REDNECKROOTS 10 місяців тому

      Exactly what I was gona say
      I've got a no name universal recoil pad and it's actually incredible. My 308 with the accubreak
      shooting 175grain terminal accent feels like .223 recoil.

  • @minutemanprep
    @minutemanprep 10 місяців тому +2

    I just ordered. I'm running a 7mm prc on hnt26 chassis with a suppressor. I'll make a video on my channel too

  • @elkhuntr2816
    @elkhuntr2816 10 місяців тому +4

    With the additional deflection of the new recoil pad, do you have to be even more careful to not get "scoped"?

  • @pico989gallo9
    @pico989gallo9 10 місяців тому +4

    Love your channel and this looks like a great product. For transparency the before and after graphs need to at least have some values put to the y axis. The way you are sharing these they could be completely different value ranges or units making one graph look much worse than the other.

    • @buzby80
      @buzby80 8 місяців тому

      Exactly my thought. Without values, that chart doesn’t mean much to me.

    • @Seas_Of_Neptune
      @Seas_Of_Neptune 6 місяців тому

      Comparing the no load readings shows that they are clearly different ranges--the readings before the shot on the "standard" graph appear to be around 3-5x higher than the same period on the new recoil pad graph.

  • @merlinofnew
    @merlinofnew Місяць тому

    You guys have such a great channel. I really love your work. That said - the recoil charts don’t have numbers. I’m not saying you’re misleading me, but without numbers on that Y axis (ie. PSI or whatever) we don’t actually know if the peak pressure is halved as it appears. (Ie. is the backstop graph capped at 200psi vs normal pad at 50 psi.)

  • @thespeedyviking9682
    @thespeedyviking9682 10 місяців тому

    I recently purchased a Fierce Carbon Rogue in 7PRC, I also own a Sako Finnlight in 6.5CM. They both weight 7.8lbs fully dressed, but the recoil pad and radial brake make both rifles recoil equally.

  • @sebastianpoe3799
    @sebastianpoe3799 10 місяців тому +1

    Just placed an order for my 7prc custom build in the HNT26 stock. Cant wait

  • @GarrenForth
    @GarrenForth 10 місяців тому

    Very interesting video, great topic and approach a problem that affects a lot of people.
    Me personally I’ve hunted deer with 12guage and 3” magnum slugs for decades. I’m not to sensitive to recoil. But with wife and grand kids a pertinent subject.

  • @ynotjf
    @ynotjf 10 місяців тому +1

    I hear marketing; “dial-it-in to the cartridge”. If that’s true, how do you compensate for rifle weight? By your own example, just adding a scope reduces recoil, so how do you dial a heavy rifle in a caliber versus a light rifle of the same caliber? Just for perspective, shotgun shooters have had custom recoil pads for decades that are tailored to reduce recoil and provide consistent accuracy at much less $cost. Precision shooters know recoil management greatly affects accuracy and the recoil pad is part of that process. I wish you well and hope you are successful just keep it real..

  • @MrJtin69
    @MrJtin69 10 місяців тому +1

    Thank you jim !! Gonna buy one for every rifle !!!

    • @backfire
      @backfire  10 місяців тому +2

      Really appreciate the support. I know you'll love it.

  • @jcc6356
    @jcc6356 8 місяців тому

    Great job guys!!!! Cheers from Montreal, Canada.

  • @adenholmes
    @adenholmes 10 місяців тому

    Beautiful transitions for the cinematography

  • @armeddiver
    @armeddiver 10 місяців тому +6

    I’m not a hunter and the heaviest round I shoot is a 6.5 CM, but I really like this pad and would love one for my 6.5 CM and 6 ARC precision rifles. I can only imagine how soft recoiling my 6 ARC would be with your pad. The throne is shear genius. I have never thought about vertical storage and should, considering all my guns are stored butt down on a Gallow Tech rack.

    • @breyleighgegelman4359
      @breyleighgegelman4359 10 місяців тому +1

      In the same boat. Have no need for one with a 6.5 CM but would love to try it with the pad haha

  • @xwayesknbent
    @xwayesknbent 10 місяців тому +1

    Sweet just talked to Jim about this product. I'm going to try to get one as soon as can up here in canada

  • @GoferZeroSix
    @GoferZeroSix 9 місяців тому

    Backfire Backstop = All day fun with full auto elephant gun. Got it!

  • @tylerd8516
    @tylerd8516 10 місяців тому +1

    The hard smooth edge on the recoil pad keeps it from catching on clothing when shouldering the firearm I believe, I’m am not a expert designing recoil pads 🙄

  • @Six_Point
    @Six_Point 10 місяців тому +2

    Newer to your channel. The product looks GREAT. Your gun room looks amazing!!😊

  • @stevenraushenberger716
    @stevenraushenberger716 10 місяців тому +1

    Just turned 60 yo, and this might be just what the doctor ordered! Have had my eye on a couple of the PRC calibers for a while, and this might be the gentle push I needed. Pardon the pun!😂

  • @arimedina6114
    @arimedina6114 10 місяців тому

    Guys are doing the lords work 🙌🏾

  • @DrLuigiPhd
    @DrLuigiPhd 10 місяців тому +1

    That recoil pad on the HNT is garbage. I went thru the same journey with a 7SS bare muzzle. Added a modified limbsaver and a brake, then a suppressor, and topped it all of with a baby ATACR. Much more pleasant to shoot. I believe you are the first to bring a dedicated pad to the MDT shape buttstock and it should fit everything from the XRS to the ACC. I've been emailing limbsaver to make one, but you beat the big guys to the punch. Well done!

  • @jasonward8118
    @jasonward8118 10 місяців тому +1

    Great looking product! I’ll be waiting for the Remington 700 version and see what you can do for my Montana .28 Nosler. When I checked your website, price point was EXACTLY where I thought it would be - premium but not extravagant. Maybe consider an adder for custom sizes using a mold or tracer template of the rifle butt? Payton’s Aggie hat also helped the sales pitch!

  • @brandiwynter
    @brandiwynter 10 місяців тому

    Looks interesting but I've never had issues with the comfort of the factory Savage pad that came on my 116 .30-06 or the slip on LimbSaver on my .50 Beowulf. The Savage pad was included in the price of the rifle and the LimbSaver was 1/3 the price of the Backfire pad. Seems like it might be an option for those with the budget to trick out their gun and not worry about money. I wish that was me but it's not. I'd like to try one for comparison but I didn't have that kind of a budget.
    Either way, I'm glad it's made in America and I wish you guys much success!!

  • @caseyjones7641
    @caseyjones7641 10 місяців тому

    Super genius design!! Love the science.

  • @marcosrecendez3122
    @marcosrecendez3122 8 місяців тому

    This is great three different subjects plus some fancy sensors to come to a applied in the field conclusion everyone needs one for everything (for better accuracy and enjoyment)sold.

  • @cabochris100
    @cabochris100 9 місяців тому

    I also owned a 700 in 300 RUM in plastic factory stock with Limbsaver pad. No brake and it was pleasant to shoot off bench. Recently, I built a light 300 RUM, all carbon and Limbsaver. Brutal recoil! The stock doesn't absorb recoil😮

  • @geeccc5674
    @geeccc5674 10 місяців тому

    Super exciting! Looks like a great product!

  • @tomthoelke8343
    @tomthoelke8343 3 місяці тому

    There is a company out of Clarendon, TX that makes custom muzzle brakes that actually work. Witt Machine. I use the clamp on style but they make custom threaded ones as well. I pay around $100 for the clamp on brake and I've taken an ultralight 300 winmag from recoiling like a 10 gauge shotgun down to the recoil of a 6.5 or .243. Check them out. They are fantastic.

  • @mr.mr.3301
    @mr.mr.3301 10 місяців тому +1

    That’s cool. I have put limbs saver on my teas but I hate how grippy it is when you’re in a tree stand and you’ve got a thick jacket it’s just grips. You have to pull the gun way out and then pull it back. You just can’t lift it up normally

  • @jakeallama22
    @jakeallama22 9 місяців тому

    This makes total sense to me because I have zero issue shooting my 12 gauge pump but my 270 win I really don’t enjoy, especially from a prone position. The speed of the recoil is what bothers me, not the power.

  • @flattenedprimer-hz6vw
    @flattenedprimer-hz6vw 10 місяців тому +12

    I would expect the area under the curve to be roughly the same for both setups, but the new pad appears to have way less. I assume that is related to the pad conforming around the pressure sensor? Perhaps that is why you felt a 35% reduction, but the graph shows more? Great innovative product!

    • @cragbum87
      @cragbum87 10 місяців тому +1

      It's tricky to see visually the area under the curve with the graphs they are showing. Time doesn't start at the same place in each and the primary graph for back to back setup comparisons, jumps off the scale. They would need to reformat the graphs for it to pass the eye test a little easier. If they did, I bet the area under the curve would be pretty close with their setup.
      Looks like a terrific product. Hopefully with can get them shipped up to Canada.

    • @flattenedprimer-hz6vw
      @flattenedprimer-hz6vw 10 місяців тому

      @@cragbum87 I would assume they can get shipped up here. That would be great or perhaps partner with MDT😃.

  • @kingalbby2497
    @kingalbby2497 10 місяців тому +2

    Product Costs $90 for any one wanting to know.
    Not having numbers on your chart can be a red flag. You used numbers collected from your accelerometer and pressure sensor to measure the felt pressures, yet none of those numbers ended up on the charts. Which could mean you measured the recoil in this case in deferent scales makings your product appear beneficial. Additionally at the end 23:33 you said it was hard to have a way to have a standard value to measure.
    Based on the excitement you have I don't think you intend to deceive the customer. However a Customer can't make an educated decision on your product when they don't have stats to compare themselves. Also I don't think you mentioned cost, I had to go to the website.

  • @HenkduPlooy-ym3ed
    @HenkduPlooy-ym3ed 6 місяців тому

    Congrats - love the video. Greetings from South Africa

  • @carson3406
    @carson3406 10 місяців тому

    Good job, you guys. Everything about your product just makes sense. Much more comfortable than my dad's 303 British with a buttpad made out of brass lol

  • @DarkTimes365
    @DarkTimes365 9 місяців тому

    The more I watch your channel the more I really like the content you’re making! Keep it up!
    The real question is if it’s worth putting one of those on a 6.5 creedmoor…?

  • @twc9000
    @twc9000 10 місяців тому

    I love to see this. High end motorcycle helmets also use two densities of padding for the same reason.

  • @bigwestreviews4933
    @bigwestreviews4933 10 місяців тому +2

    I'd be willing to bet the suppressor recoil reduction is almost entirely due to weight. The gasses still exit the end of the barrel and therefore the momentum is the same. However, the impulse will be longer resulting in a lower peak force. Aka the area under the curve would be the same but it would be more spread out.

    • @z987k
      @z987k 10 місяців тому

      I have a 6oz suppressor that still reduces the recoil by 30-35%. The energy is the same, although there are suppressors with brakes built into them. But it's over a much longer period of time. The effect is a reduction in what we perceive as recoil. You're going from a punch to a gentle push.

    • @exothermal.sprocket
      @exothermal.sprocket 9 місяців тому

      What doesn't change is the inertia of the firearm platform (it's total mass). If you elongate the time factor (in fractions of a second), overcoming inertia is going to be dynamically different, assuming no muzzle devices are added. The muzzle brake is a superb device for dealing with recoil because it's altering the source of the force, the jetting gas. It's like nozzles on a jet aircraft.

  • @ronaldjohnson1474
    @ronaldjohnson1474 10 місяців тому +2

    Looks like a "better mousetrap" design! Beware of using muzzle brakes. Not only are they loud, but very dangerous for people on either side of you.

  • @larsonhomeinspection9932
    @larsonhomeinspection9932 7 місяців тому

    Looks like a great idea and design. Very cool you accomplished this product. Looking into one. Also your wife is a gem!

  • @lyfandeth
    @lyfandeth 10 місяців тому +1

    I'll give you one more, but first we'll need an NDA and patent search. But it is effective.

  • @joncavallo4391
    @joncavallo4391 9 місяців тому

    I have been to your website to submit builds for a Franchi Momentum Elite 6.5 PRC and a Winchester XPR in 7mm Remington Mag. Both with muzzle brakes installed. 😊

  • @NGWrenchin
    @NGWrenchin 10 місяців тому +3

    the graphs are interesting, but ultimately kinda useless without having the data values on the measuring axiis. You should show these with either overlays or the data showing that they are all being shown on the same scale as its very easy to manipulate those scales to make differences appear more favorable than they actually are. Not saying that you are, just that its possible and including that data or overlay (ideally both) would take that possibility away

    • @matthewwilcox1633
      @matthewwilcox1633 4 місяці тому

      I was thinking the same thing. No data is usless, pretty much just a picture. Without the impulse device on the pic rail how did you he get his data? Once scope is placed on the rifle could not put the device on to get the info, ha.

  • @rickoshea8138
    @rickoshea8138 10 місяців тому +12

    One factor that seems important to me is how hard you pull the stock into your shoulder before the shot. If you do not take up the slack fully, the rifle gains a lot of speed to punch you with. As people do not all use the same shoulder pre-load, how does that factor into the custom recoil pad design?

    • @backfire
      @backfire  10 місяців тому +4

      Smart question. It seems that as long as the pad isn’t too stiff to not compress, and not too light to bottom out, there’s a window where variations like that didn’t change much in our testing. We did test with tighter and looser shoulder pressure and it changes the height of the graph but not really the shape.

    • @adamturnbull6157
      @adamturnbull6157 10 місяців тому +1

      I was wondering that also. Great question

  • @Plumcraziness
    @Plumcraziness 10 місяців тому

    Seems like an interesting product. I dig ingenuity and solutions brought about by a challenge. I'll be keeping a close eye on what users say about it. Very cool. 👍

  • @DankSandwich
    @DankSandwich 10 місяців тому +19

    Please make one for the Magpul PRS stock, would be cool to be able to run these on AR-10s. I realize they don’t have a ton of recoil to begin with, but anything that makes follow up shots easier in a combat/2a scenario is a force multiplier

    • @Gospelmusiccovers
      @Gospelmusiccovers 10 місяців тому +1

      Literally my first thought was my .450 bushmaster I just built lol.

    • @joshuajennings2995
      @joshuajennings2995 10 місяців тому

      My Aero M5 AR-10 kicks like a mule

    • @UtahCGG
      @UtahCGG 9 місяців тому

      I use those slip on limbsavers on my PRS. They work great and honestly you barely notice it on there

    • @mattlewandowski73
      @mattlewandowski73 8 місяців тому

      @@joshuajennings2995 I fear when you say "kicks like a mule" it does not mean what you think it means :)

  • @rich7331
    @rich7331 10 місяців тому +1

    weatherby rifles have actual recoil pads, easly the best from factory
    what your doing is pretty cool

  • @Gunrunner223
    @Gunrunner223 10 місяців тому

    I cant wait to try the recoil pad. But actually, alot of the pads made have a hard smooth top edge to make shouldering the gun smoother. Where it doesnt hang up on your shirt, or jacket. Thats a pretty nice feature. I wont use a limbsaver on my dove gun because it catches my shirt. I think pacmyer has one with a plactic cap over the top, but it still soft under the cap.

  • @danielstuart3270
    @danielstuart3270 10 місяців тому +4

    I love this channel and want to support it, and surprisingly I have been looking for a replacement recoil pad for my bergara b-14 in .30-06. I shoot a pretty hard hitting load and I'm hoping this will negate the need for a muzzle-brake, but it's still an option. So I picked one up. I can't wait to try it.

    • @backfire
      @backfire  10 місяців тому +2

      Really appreciate the support. More than you know. You’ll love it.

  • @Tradhunter
    @Tradhunter 10 місяців тому +1

    Rounding the sharp peak to more a round peak reduces the ouch.

  • @ric6706
    @ric6706 10 місяців тому

    knowledge is power. great job!

  • @jqb8603
    @jqb8603 9 місяців тому

    Gig’em fellas! Congrats!

  • @wickedtrutharms57
    @wickedtrutharms57 10 місяців тому

    There are math formulas for recoil. Base line constant is 8 lb. I own Wicked Truth Arms. I build chassis only for any shooting sport. The US Patented design reduces felt recoil to the shoulder plus reduces muzzle jump. Wicked truth arms has a vid on UA-cam shows how it works. Alot of mathematics went into the design. The rifle 300 win mag in the vid is a functioning prototype. A standard 8 lb 300 win mag with 150 gr bullets has 15.262 ft lbs of energy felt at the shoulder. The chassis is designed to reduce felt recoil by over half. Liked you video. Thanks. Also there are formulas on the internet for more specific cartridges

    • @johnfaulkner4067
      @johnfaulkner4067 Місяць тому

      I'm not an expert, perhaps you meant to say 15.262 fps of recoil impulse. According to many different recoil calculators, an 8lb 300 Win Mag, with a 150 bullet and 75gr of powder for 3300fps muzzle velocity generates right at about 30ft lb. of recoil. A 300 win mag with full house loads that only generates 15ft lb of recoil would have to be 16lbs.

  • @Caxel108
    @Caxel108 10 місяців тому

    I know i dont need it BUT this on a magpul CTR stock and i will love you even more

  • @desertbrainandspine
    @desertbrainandspine 10 місяців тому

    Ordered- excited to try before this years hunt!

  • @TheCodyO
    @TheCodyO 10 місяців тому +3

    Now you do this to a 6.5 cm then you have a rifle thats even more fun than before. Although I’m not trying to add a bunch of weight for the hunting I do.

  • @garypowell9006
    @garypowell9006 9 місяців тому

    The kid is not broken. He is in his right mind.

  • @rufusrizzo78
    @rufusrizzo78 10 місяців тому

    The VSO Gun Channel did a test on a jig to compare Silencer recoil reduction. Silencers reduce recoil more than just the weight.