One or two extra notes I probably should've added in the video is the irony of using Musashi here. Back then, due to the lack of true forms and units in general, F30 would be 'balanced' after you get Musashi in Walk of Fame, SoL37. But nowadays, due to new units and easier farming and whatnot, reaching F30 is doable significantly faster and even getting Musashi might be just a little bit 'too late' into the progression for F30. It's kind of a funky weird thing with how updates and progressions are, which is even why I kind of considered Li'l Mohawk to be a bit further in progression despite Mina being obtainable much earlier than Musashi. Real strange stuff.
22:20 Decided to rewatch the video, and... you know what I have to say about Octopus Cat's range. In the past I probably would've made fun of it, but thinking now Octopus having 130 or 140 range doesn't really affect how the unit functions, does it? The only significant enemy I can think of with 130~140 range is Bore, and that's obviously irrelevant in the context of Octo since Bore would shred Octo, and he doesn't even produce waves so what's the point just CC the mad lad to death. Octopus Cat is a tanker-esque unit who is meant to get outranged by basically every wave-producing enemy since the way he survives is by his HP (and his anti-Floating abilities).
It's obviously Growing Red. Such masterful stage design with unique and interesting enemies. Such valuable rewards and tight gameplay. Really, Heavenly Tower Floor 30 pales in comparison to such perfect stage creation. Edit: Wow, never had a comment blow up like this before
your talking down floor 30 too much, everyone knows that without the lessons that stage teaches you could never beat growing red, even with boosted ubers.
Here's the thing, you kind of need to remember Hermit cat's description: "Loves to humble rich kids who think they can just buy enlightenment". This is so true on many different ways...
I think that what keeps F30 the most creep-proof is actually how strong the identity of the stage is. Where you can't really "break" the stage because even the strongest options obtainable early like Slime and Dancer which do make the stage quite a breeze don't interrupt the standard gameplay loop, but rather allow you to play it easier while still feeling like you are playing F30. Compared to how F40 got popularized with the identity of being a MMohawk and MKD stack stage, or a Baha chain stage, you now spam chip units and anti-traitless CC to the point where the stage just looks incredibly different from how it was on launch. The same can be said for how other stages in the game fold to Cyber/Deadeye, or other trait counters that make you play the stage differently than you did on release. Although difficulty is part of the picture, F30 being easy with new options still keeps the original identity of the stage, and its why this one and No Plan A seem to have been crept the least, even if they are much much easier: They still feel the same.
@daniiii888 or an ability called wave block to make all units essentially wave immune. Thankfully, the only generally accesible wave blocker we currently have, octo, doesn’t really change the way it's played
It seems like word of mouth was the way to go when it first came out. That's how I started back in 2015? My friend showed me, played it FOR him a lot mind you, and then a year later I started playing on my phone. 100% the longest lasting game I've played on mobile and I loved clash Royale for years till I gave up in 2022 with PTW features beyond this world. This game barely does that for beginners even. Very basic game with continuity and easy to learn style and sick music (and barely any ads unless you look for them). My 24 yr old self puts this at 8.5 or 9/10. Only once you treasure farm does it feel annoying but even then you need the xp anyways.
I am glad battle cats has never really been pay to win like other mobile games. Every hard level is one which requires planning and executing your plans somewhat perfectly (before power creep, but its still fun to redo those stages with the older units). (except that one with the big ass zombie and metal for green shell)
Funny how Lucas is kinda like a GD colon of battle cats... Both do: - Long, interesting videos; - Diving on content that not a lot of people talk about; - Both are extremely popular in their communities; - Long upload time but quality content; - Both are very good at explaining things, and that makes watching them a satisfying experience; - etc... Keep up the good content man!
lucas doesnt yap about bad spider parts lucas doesnt yap about coins and lucas doesnt have the tastiest plushie ever (not even joking shove my guy in a pan, on low medium heat for 4 minutes, flip it over, another four minutes, season it and it will change your life)
we timing slow beam against two ginger snaches with this one 🗣🔥 but in all seriousness though this video makes me really happy, i remember i got into the battle cats community right around when floor 30 first released and it was amazing seeing everyone come together on the stage. not just guidemakers, but artists and casual players as well, and with how much smaller the game was back then it just felt very special
In a way I sort of agree to an extent but unfortunately the entirety of EoC and treasure grinding really soured the whole experience LMAO For post EoC stages, some mid-SoL was also incredibly fun on release too.
@funfinity69420 they are talking at a mechanical level. They should change the mechanics of treasures and make it something else or simply eliminate it and change some numbers to keep the rest of the game the same way
I played Floor 30 for the first time at around early-midgame myself, and I have to say, it was indeed a challenge at that point still in spite of the fact I did this only a couple years ago. I played with very low powercreep, only having Pizza and Fishman, if I recall correctly, as well as using Shadow Akira over Musashi. I don't remember the exact lineup I used, but I do know it was basically the classic strategy. I remember making multiple attempts and being in a cold sweat the first time I beat Hermit. So, yeah, even though back then people were saying the floor was dead, not really. It's just changed from an endgame challenge to a early-midgame one.
I've been watching your content for a while now and your videos have such good quality and high analysis when talking about aspects of the game. This is probably a top 3 video for me and further solidifies my love for floor 30 and this channel.
Aw man now that I think about it, if someone is watching Nadu's videos but not streams, this video might be them seeing his victory for the first time. Weird side effect, but worth the funny imo.
I think idi:re definitely deserves a shout out, fun level that has a pretty simple strategy on paper but in execution needs good timing with some peons that can mess you up if not prepared. There's plenty of ways to beat it despite the 4 star restriction and i felt very satisfied beating it after struggling to for weeks.
yeah no fr, eldritch forces invasion is one of the most fun stages in bc i've ever played. landing an insane bahamut chain on idi and pushing her halfway down the stage is so immensely satisfying that even though i took god knows how many attempts (well over 100) i'd still love to be able to go back and play it again also ponos please let us replay invasion stages why are all the peak stages in this game so limited
I have looked forward to clearing floor 30 for a while now, with this video making me the most excited. Finally, with Heavenly Tower back, and after so many attempts, I beat it. It felt incredible. It is the most skillful thing I've done in this game, and I'm so happy I got to take it down. Thank you for providing loads of hype and anticipation for this monumental occasion.
My favorite stage is definitely Land of Dreams lvl 20 (the Messier Baron). Especially back then when one of the best counters for that stage was Ken from the SF collab. It made me so happy when I finally beat it for the first time. However, like Floor 30, it just gets easier with the more units you have available to you (and it is a collab so reruns are rare)
@@LucasIVYTland of dreams was an especially banger gauntlet because not only did it not make me want to pull my hair out like other gauntlets, the rewards were so good you actually wanted to do it lol
@@TheAwfulUsername messier also used to have some pretty good rewards, iirc one of them was 5 epic seeds i remember playing the stage up to max and having a great time, which for a baron is super impressive (it helps that the stages felt really fun for my skill level and game progression at the time)
f30, idi invasion, roo and other similar stages are rlly fun bc they allow you to express your own playstyle. that’s one of the most important things for a boss fight to do, especially in a strategy game. Socrates and mechabun are bad because there is only one strategy and the difficulty is unbalanced. Also i love how hermit, idi and luza are all super high hp threats who can’t push on their own and do deadly damage but their whole stage revolves around peons who make them much more dangerous
The best stage in The Battle Cats is Flower Cat Awakens. In this stage player needs to manage his tight budget to fight off powerful waves of enemies. The reward is awesome. The most memorable stage in The Battle Cats for me.
Pf, really? That’s it? You’re forgetting the stage that pales Flower Cat Awakens into nothing but pure ash, the stage that’s designed for the player to make split-second decisions and precise and perfect timing, this stage is so well articulated, so fun, so replayable, that despite it’s difficulty, players still come around to visit this stage for the sole purpose of fun. I am referring to Korea
Think after trying floor 30 back in the day was the true final nail that got me stuck into battle cats, being able to lose again and again and go "one more time" has got to be one of the best feelings you can get from any game. Also makes me nostalgic for seeing the community hating and loving the stage at the same time
OMG I LOVE THIS STAGE!!! I actaully wasn’t playing bc when this stage came out but back in 2021 I was able to beat it without Ubers and that is literally my greatest accomplishment ever! Great video Lucas!!!
Floor 30 is at such a great place as well because most players won't have a lot of Ubers yet, so those three rare tickets are really tempting. You end up seeing a lot of personalized load outs that you wouldn't use for any other stage in the game. My load out was Cool Japan, Manic Mohawk, Power Cutter, Akuma Lion, Gravi (first form), Awakened Bahamut, and Mitama the Oracle. I used rich cat and sniper cat power ups and beat it after over twenty attempts. Never have I had more fun with a mobile game. This is the stage that convinced me to look up a guide and introduced me to the Battle cats comunity. Overtime I learned to improve thanks to battle cats creators like Lucas IV. Floor 30 is without a doubt my favorite stage and it felt great to come back every 3-5 months when heavenly tower returned to see how much easier it got.
3:31 I will forever have ptsd when anyone utters the word floor and 28. I had to stack 7 CYBERPUNKS just to beat that god forsaken stage it took soooooo long.
crypt of the necrodancer music :3 awesome video, I've hit a bit of a roadblock with battle cats where im tired of the grind so its awesome seeing videos like this to remind me how much strategy it can have
I think EVA-00 was my first collab unit, around the time the first collab, and I remember how baffled I was replaying Floor 30 with him. His presence genuinely felt like hitting the "Waves On/Off" button, and I abused him as often as possible back then even if his kit stunk for the type of threats on the wave stage I took it to. Hes one of favorite units, just made that strong of an impression on me.
I remember back when i first completed floor 30 as it wasn't really the "Bait n bash" tactic of stalling hermit at the base with a wave immune unit to act as the main damage but rather a fierce game of tug of war where i tried to go for a perma-stun trick with Vendor and Healor Cat CC, but could never get it to properly work with the peons coming in and ruining the perfect timing. So it just turned into a fierce tug of war where i pushed Hermit back to his base and try to fend off the peons with Courier and Pizza with Octo being the wave blocker and a few others until the perma-stun was broken and Hermit would march his way back to the base. I tried doing the "Bait n Bash" along with throwing every single wave immune unit but could never get it to work as the "tug of war" method got me the win. It truly did feel like i earned Hermit cat as a Unit that day. ...and then 1st tried floor 40 due to that same lineup being absurdly good and me getting absurdly lucky with the win.
It's extraordinarily difficult to make a good boss stage where the boss is the main deadly pushing threat, rather than the ever-looming backliner support which does an occasional omni/LD nuke -such as the great demon lord- whilst the peons do the main pushing (usually with one particular peon being somewhat tougher than the others and the main threat of the stage), but when it's done well holy damn it is absolute peak.
I love to see more analyses on some of the other superbosses of the game - Battle Cats has a surprising amount of really good bosses. Even the ones that fall flat can have neat ideas such as Bakoo being a foe you must interrupt as much as possible to prevent it landing a devastating attack or Aku Cyclone being a cyclone but with the twist that it can't be crowd-controlled. (and then we have stuff like lil nyandam which has the lenoirs be more prominent than lil ny himself, urs being... urs... and don't get me started on the travesty that is soractes. but again, these sort of bosses are the exception rather than the rule)
Hermit is not the main pushing threat though, you can stall him with literally just Mohawk. I think the only bosses that are the main pushing threat are the cyclones and Socrates, and we know Socrates’ stage sucks
@@daniiii888 That is true, but Hermit is definitely more involved than your usual omni backliner boss. I guess I mean more "frontliner boss" than anything, but I guess I worded it terribly.
@@scheeep7376 I get what you mean. It’s funny how most bosses aren’t the main threat and act more like annoying walls that force you to hold on for long enough to win
I suppose what I thought of in my head was that it's cool to see bosses which deviate from the standard "el big heavy nuker" formula, then I somehow misinterpreted myself and thought I meant "bosses which are the main threat", of which there is... Bun Bun? I guess? Granted, there is a reason why "el big heavy nuker" is a common formula - it just works really damn well, quite a few of the best bosses in the game uses this formula. But it's interesting to experiment outside the box or give deviations/twists to that formula? Maybe that's why I have this weird liking of pre-Courier Wanwan - he is one of the "el big heavy nuker" bosses, but his unique gimmick forces you to approach the stage in an interesting and unique way. (hang on this is completely off-topic, what am i saying here) uh othom best boss
I definitely remember when I first beat this stage, it was like the 7th re-run of the tower and utilising Zamboney as a second base and having it work out was probably the best feeling I’ve felt while playing this game
Floor 30 being the best stage being 1 of the only thing everyone in the battle cats agrees on is nice considering it is one of the oldest "superboss" stages
Hey Lucas, Its been a while. We were in a BC discord server about 7 years ago, and I wanted to say that you're still killing it. I had been playing battle cats since about a month after release, and I only quit about 2 years ago. Sometimes I still go through UL and SoL and relive a lot of the memories I have from back in the day. In regards to floor 30, this video completely summed it up perfectly. I remember the hours and hours of raging because I couldn't beat levels like river styx or floor 30 and asking for advice in the voice channels. I havent consumed much battle cats content in the last few years, but this video brought me back and really resonated with me in a way I have never experienced. I think battle cats was the first real community I was ever a part of, and I am extremely grateful for all of the time I got to spend with my online friends, as I was going through a rough patch back then. This comment is likely to be lost in the sea of the other 400 comments, but on the chance that you read this, thank you for keeping this community alive and well throughout all of these years. -NotActuallyRegit
41:38 you just reminded me of how disappointed I was of IT 47, not only did we not get a manic moneko(which tbh I wasn’t expecting much) but it got easier than HT47. (Also thank you for omitting any cheese strats, especially those that use a certain… collab cat)
I remember when this stage came out and my best wave immune attackers were shishilan and musashi, what a good feeling it was to finally beat this stage. I'm so happy I didnt get shadow gao until way later LOL. It was a feeling compounderd knowing my brother pulled EVA-00 so he never had an issue with the stage.
I remember my first proper run against this stage, Diabolic Gao was my wave-immune attacker of choice. Having an Epicfest Uber like him would trivialize the stage, right? Not exactly. If I failed to defend SGao, Hermit would get the chance to shred his HP. However, the momentary freezes gave me additional time/opportunities to get a defensive unit in there. I initially tried Li'l Lion, but swapped to Manic since the additional speed provided MUCH more value than the wave immunity. Sure, the fight may've been a bit easier with SGao, but it was by no means a free fight, and honestly it was a ton of fun for that.
Unless you use like some all wave immune lineup that can fight hermit a mile away from base I believe you can never not have fun with this stage, the fact that when i was replaying ht last time when it came around for rewards with dasli and darktanyan at lvl 60 and I still enjoyed it is frankly amazing, I genuinely believe even if a new player has dasli this is one of like 5 stages that they still 1. Get to play, and 2. Have fun doing so (as long as theyre still timing mmohawk or smth and not just spamming wave immune)
This is probably my 2nd favourite level in the game. I love the level of strategy required for this level and I love how versatile and complex it can get. But I think HT 50 is slightly better than this. Uril was such a delicate fight for me as any mistake was basically a loss. I also love how the background looks like Kami’s Lookout from Dragon Ball and the song playing is reminiscent to Chala Head Chala from Dragon Ball Z. And it being the last level of HT adds onto it as I found HT to be the best challenge in the whole game
Ahh, I remember this. Back in my day, I used shishilan pasalan. You know, he was widely considered the best nekoluga and one of the best nukers back then! Now you children have your „king of doom phono‘s“ and „Gaia the creator‘s“. I was just equipped with a shishilan and manic Mohawk and like 2 combo‘s. Ah yes, those were the days… But seriously though, this stage is actually amazing, and it holding up even through the immense powercreep that the wave meta experience is so cool to see. I think one stage that i would consider to be similar in terms of fun and strategy and feeling of achievement would be prelude to ruin. It‘s an amazing introduction to UL, as it goes away from the spammy SoL meta, and uses the more reserved and strategic gamedesign of UL, while also keeping the enemies to stuff that is familiar, and giving a really useful unit as a reward.
The Filibuster and Meta Filibuster stages are kinda easy once u get the proper units, but for me, were fun stages. The music helps to be very inmersive, the suspense about no letting the attack being completed are so fun. Those stages with the IDI and Jagando, needs to be replayable.
I have 3 stared sol completed half of uL have all treasures in everything from eoc to cotc and i have done all of the deadly advent and im pretty sure the highest i got on heavenly tower was 15 because every time it comes out i just overlooked it and now that ive been wanting to play it i just have to wait for ponos to decide to add it
Honestly manic Mohawk is so underrated. Stacking ur cybers (or other Ld units) and then watching them shred through while watching cpu do everything is honestly pretty underrated
I recently got to this stage and even with all the new units that can help, it was very difficult learning the timing and what units to use, and just the complete different way you have to play the game, instead of just basically saving until you get your best unit, you have to slowly let the boss reach your base and make sure you time your meatshields perfectly or else they'll reach your base and kill all of your wave immune units. It was fun but also so stressful. Very well structured stage and I hope they have more unique and creative stages like this
I found that even if you have diabolical gao, you still have to play carefully as pushing to much means gao is going to take heavy damage, and if gao dies then you are going to have to stall for a LONG time to get him back on the field. My first time beating floor 30 I mainly used wonder momoco since she is wave resistant, even though she freezes blacks, reds, and angels, I still had to play carefully due to hermit pushing to close. Floor 50 in my opinion is also a good stage, not peak but pretty good as due to uril having over 100% uptime on surges and surges being vastly different in nature, the strat is kind of the opposite as now you need to keep uril at a safe distance and defend your CC units from the peons that SHRED meat shields(I'm looking at you sir rel).
I beat floor 30 before I finished ITF chapter 2. Then again, to be fair, I had Shishilan, and I didn't actually understand that much about the game back then, this was still before I got too much into the community(Surprisingly, ch 3 moon isn't what got me into the community, but that's a diferent discussion), and so I didn't really know what treasures were or think that they were that important, and I found the legend stages more fun anyway, so I just didn't play ITF all that much until I figured out that treasures actually mattered and figured it was finally time to true form Bahamut.
Ponos cooked for this stage. To keep Hermit from your base, you have to use timing and critical thinking, something that ZL doesn't have, you have to stay on your toes to adjust for the random enemy layout, something UL doesn't have, and there's a big freeflow, customizable element, allowing you to stray from the basic formula in your strategy to do it in your own unique way, something that SOL doesn't have; The lack of a difinitive answer lets you do whatever you want to try, making it the most replayable stage in the whole game. You need to put so much precision both into your lineup and your skill, that the pristine quality feels unreal compared to any of the stages surrounding it. This stage is a masterpiece and overcame powercreep very well for an early stage in the game's development by Hermit having the combat ability to fend off against newer units and instead turns newer units into extra abilities to hold him back with a sort of tradeoff or weakness, based on the unit at play. This stage manages to powerfully highlight both the flaws of powerful units and the strengths of weaker units. It serves a great point of tension, as it is so well layered, you expect it to be the finale, but it's just a minor stepping stone for the even tougher trail ahead. It's so climactic and full of tension, that this stage feels like it does everything it wants to do, unlike any COTC final boss, if you can even call those bosses actual challenge. Not to mention, it doesn't require overleveling or insane grinding, which is forced for MERCILESS Advents. Unlike stages that are extremely blunt with their time limits by using assassin bear, this stage instead slowly and steadily increases the peon spawn rate to incentivize going quickly, yet still allowing the player to survive when the enemy spawn rates tick up, rather than cutting off your run instantly when the game feels like it, making the experience much smoother than any timed levels, yet containing a form of time constraint. All of the stage elements moving together in their own unique and precious way gathered the whole community together to work this out. This stage is every good quality of level design rolled together into a singular battle. Heavenly Tower F. 30 is actually cinema at its finest. Best level, no contest.
I feel like Multiversal Studios on release was a pretty great experience. It had that same sort of back and forth tension that f30 had, where you'd often find yourself being pushed really hard by the peon waves but also being able to regain ground due the Musashi's high kb count. The stage was also very money tight, so you had to really consider what the best use of your resources were. It was also a really good introduction for the doge base, since it wiping the field if you pushed up too far would be especially brutal due to the lack of money. IMO it was the peak of endurance based stages, since there was a clear win condition in outlasting the zang roo/zir zeal waves, and most of the struggle was in managing your resources well enough to reach that point.
The stages that comes to my mind are the bottom if the swamp with kappy jr. with the same reasoning of floor 30 bc you souldn't have many surge immune units to power creep the stage this early on, and the brutal advent stages due to them being late game and needning pretty specific untis (with usualy high investment) to trivialise.
Hearing you praise the Evangelion collab stages makes me want you to rank all collab boss stages from all collabs. Like, how does We'll Meet Again compare to, like, Just Couldn't Say Goodbye from the Madoka Magica collab?
Unfortunately for Nutcracker Witch, her stage actually got mega powercrept hard with Courier LOL plus I think even though her stage premise is interesting, it's *mainly* just spamming units till you win. There's some timings here and there you can do but it's nothing super strict or super exciting, it's I think on a similar level with HT's F50
@@LucasIVYT Was mostly just a random example. I would love to see a tier list or ranking of every boss/challenge stage from every collab, so I was just throwing out some random stage names.
Magica madoka collab made me cry because i didnt know about the cat combo 😭 well atleast watching the anime made my life better and now im addicted to puella magica madoka
floor 50 ht and jagando's aku mountai were EXHILARATING for me i don't exactly remember what i used for floor 50 but i just know my main dmg was lufalan so just trying to keep lufalan alive while actually landing hits on uril was rly satisfying it was more ragey than satisfying but yeah for jagando my shield piercer was just aku researcher it was like at the time akus released so no true form or other shield piercers and man jagando was such a headachhee i didn't have any surge immune units and i just gunned him down with lufalan and aphrodie probably someone else too but i forgot other than that, filibuster's stage is rlllyy fun i think it's the most balanced boss stage in this game been a long time time ago since i first cleared itf 3 moon too but that was a blast just getting a.bahamut felt rly satisfying that being said i quit the game for a bit but came back on a new account like 3 months ago i wanna say? and i beat cotc 3 moon just now my "proof" would be the latest video i uploaded on my channel XD but yeah coming back i am surprised courier is this easily accessible he just denies a lot of enemies in general and is just a rly powerful unit sol is still a bit boring :/ i rly wish they'd revamp it in some way sry for the long comment but thanks for reading if u made it this far
I never got to truly experience this stage unfortunately, as by the time I had reached this floor, I had Shadow Gao at a very high level. Maybe I’ll challenge myself at some point if I feel like it.
I just beat this stage recently during the ongoing heavenly tower, it took me many attempts and various loadout changes but it felt really rewarding to beat.
This stage feels like a really good progress check. To beat this no gacha (or little gacha) you need musashi, maglev and manic island, requiring you to go through the manic stages and beat the hardest one, go through most of sol and go through some deadly advents.
Floor 30 for a mid-game player is truly a pinnacle stage. Despite me having regular Gao and Eyewaltz tf (including Musashi) I still struggled a few times. The moment Hermit died, it was the most satisfying thing I experienced in this game. Defeating this stage is the very definition of the phrase "LET'S F*CKING GOOOOO!!" and there's very few stages that can replicate that feeling.
I need to try floor 30 for real instead of cheesing it. Seriously though floor 30 is insane to be 7 years old and still this good, even with units like courier and uril.
@@ThisIsAHandle-xz5yo You get them on different periods of the game, most of the game you will use Future due to being unlockable right before An Ancient Curse, while Kappy Kawano's stage is literally brutal, so you will get Cone around Doron, Naala or even ZL, so Cone Cat is better, but Future Cat is more accesible.
You probably won't read this lol but this stage and the Infamous "No Returned Flights" are the best stages ive ever beaten, All of those peer pressures and that feeling when you escalate a plan that you made in a split seconds works is the best feeling
My old job was getting rid of a few Inspirons back in 2020. They were 3847MT, had i5, 4440. I replaced the PSU with a budget 650 or 700 watt, and added a 1060 6 gb. I sold 2 and gave one to my dad as a budget gaming machine. I miss the days when prebuilts had normal parts and you were able to swap parts as needed.
One or two extra notes I probably should've added in the video is the irony of using Musashi here.
Back then, due to the lack of true forms and units in general, F30 would be 'balanced' after you get Musashi in Walk of Fame, SoL37.
But nowadays, due to new units and easier farming and whatnot, reaching F30 is doable significantly faster and even getting Musashi might be just a little bit 'too late' into the progression for F30.
It's kind of a funky weird thing with how updates and progressions are, which is even why I kind of considered Li'l Mohawk to be a bit further in progression despite Mina being obtainable much earlier than Musashi. Real strange stuff.
Very instresting
You can get little mohawk as soon as you have Jagando, but that's probably later than Mina
22:20 Decided to rewatch the video, and... you know what I have to say about Octopus Cat's range.
In the past I probably would've made fun of it, but thinking now Octopus having 130 or 140 range doesn't really affect how the unit functions, does it? The only significant enemy I can think of with 130~140 range is Bore, and that's obviously irrelevant in the context of Octo since Bore would shred Octo, and he doesn't even produce waves so what's the point just CC the mad lad to death. Octopus Cat is a tanker-esque unit who is meant to get outranged by basically every wave-producing enemy since the way he survives is by his HP (and his anti-Floating abilities).
Are you telling me I should've done this stage 17 chapters ago
You can probably obliterate all the lil awakens stage(excluding titan) with cat god extremely underrated unit
It's obviously Growing Red. Such masterful stage design with unique and interesting enemies. Such valuable rewards and tight gameplay. Really, Heavenly Tower Floor 30 pales in comparison to such perfect stage creation.
Edit: Wow, never had a comment blow up like this before
your talking down floor 30 too much, everyone knows that without the lessons that stage teaches you could never beat growing red, even with boosted ubers.
@@BrimBlambefore beating stage 30, i couldn’t beat growing red even with paipai
@@BrimBlamwithout beating floor 30 i would never know how to beat the face
Agreed. The REAL best level
I really love the rewards for Growing Red. Especially the exclusive opportunity to get Nothing is really intriguing
Here's the thing, you kind of need to remember Hermit cat's description: "Loves to humble rich kids who think they can just buy enlightenment". This is so true on many different ways...
Well than... This is the first time in my life getting more than 100 likes, thank you all❤
What I find neat is that the 3 peons in floor 30 are basically variants of the first 3 enemies you meet in the game (Doge, Snache, and Those Guys)
and that its all the 2nd variant
@@noobysanwichwouldnt like znache be the 2nd snake variant
@@akshayreddy4071not if we’re talking about the sol order, ginger snache appears much earlier than znache in sol
@bboxx4352 yeah so... the second variant is znache
@@akshayreddy4071 ginger snache, first appearance, sol 20, znache, first appearance, sol 34
I think that what keeps F30 the most creep-proof is actually how strong the identity of the stage is. Where you can't really "break" the stage because even the strongest options obtainable early like Slime and Dancer which do make the stage quite a breeze don't interrupt the standard gameplay loop, but rather allow you to play it easier while still feeling like you are playing F30. Compared to how F40 got popularized with the identity of being a MMohawk and MKD stack stage, or a Baha chain stage, you now spam chip units and anti-traitless CC to the point where the stage just looks incredibly different from how it was on launch. The same can be said for how other stages in the game fold to Cyber/Deadeye, or other trait counters that make you play the stage differently than you did on release. Although difficulty is part of the picture, F30 being easy with new options still keeps the original identity of the stage, and its why this one and No Plan A seem to have been crept the least, even if they are much much easier: They still feel the same.
Identity is a good word for it
The only way to make it stop “feeling” like floor 30 is to just use all wave immune units and completely ignore hermits gimmick lol
@daniiii888 or an ability called wave block to make all units essentially wave immune. Thankfully, the only generally accesible wave blocker we currently have, octo, doesn’t really change the way it's played
@@iker9095 yeah, but that neneko variant completely obliterates the stage
@@iker9095well, yaminoir true form exists
battle cats being 10 years old and still active is surprising
Muffin :D
A feat very few games can accomplish, especially considering the community is also growing
It seems like word of mouth was the way to go when it first came out. That's how I started back in 2015? My friend showed me, played it FOR him a lot mind you, and then a year later I started playing on my phone. 100% the longest lasting game I've played on mobile and I loved clash Royale for years till I gave up in 2022 with PTW features beyond this world. This game barely does that for beginners even. Very basic game with continuity and easy to learn style and sick music (and barely any ads unless you look for them). My 24 yr old self puts this at 8.5 or 9/10. Only once you treasure farm does it feel annoying but even then you need the xp anyways.
i feel like an old mf when he said heavenly tower was 7 years ago, its really been that long?
its a really really popular game now so yea
Were going to beat floor 30 with this one! 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
thank you again for the lunch money
@@LucasIVYTam going to toucach you lil boy
@@LucasIVYTim going to lick you
why dont you give me some :(((
@@potato-xm5encause your potato
God Floor 30 is a such a peak stage man it's so good. It's a classic I haven't it played it.
Bro i had a stroke reading that last part😂
I am gonna play it tomorrow
I beat it that day, was pretty fun
I hate this level
I am glad battle cats has never really been pay to win like other mobile games.
Every hard level is one which requires planning and executing your plans somewhat perfectly (before power creep, but its still fun to redo those stages with the older units). (except that one with the big ass zombie and metal for green shell)
Me when March to Death took more attempts than almost every other deadly and merciless advent combined:
A great example is how a large portion of powercreep is by no gacha units
Yeah, Daboo was atrocious. Even Papuu's condition stage took 2 tries for me. And 1 of those was a test round.
@@daniiii888 March to Death took me more attempts than god damn Villainous Gods did
@@phud69 holy shit I have no words lmao
I wholeheartedly agree with this notion.
holy moly is that THE f30 guy
omg my favorite celebrity sugadee is here! wow i am a huge fan can i have an autograph?!
Funny how Lucas is kinda like a GD colon of battle cats...
Both do:
- Long, interesting videos;
- Diving on content that not a lot of people talk about;
- Both are extremely popular in their communities;
- Long upload time but quality content;
- Both are very good at explaining things, and that makes watching them a satisfying experience;
- etc...
Keep up the good content man!
lucas doesnt yap about bad spider parts
lucas doesnt yap about coins
and lucas doesnt have the tastiest plushie ever (not even joking shove my guy in a pan, on low medium heat for 4 minutes, flip it over, another four minutes, season it and it will change your life)
he just needs the ‘IM NOT A FURRY’ arc and it’s official
@ToranDoesGaming1 but lucas yap about dasli and about *random subtrait* slayer
I love the slow wave immunity at 32:50
WAIT LMAOOOO ARGHHH THERE'S ALWAYS AT LEAST SOMETHING WRONG WITH MY VIDEO
@@LucasIVYT unwatchable, unsubscribed, disliked smh my head
based vid tho
@@LucasIVYT dw bout it, almost everyone watching this video hasn't made a video that is above 45 minutes that is good
we timing slow beam against two ginger snaches with this one 🗣🔥
but in all seriousness though this video makes me really happy, i remember i got into the battle cats community right around when floor 30 first released and it was amazing seeing everyone come together on the stage. not just guidemakers, but artists and casual players as well, and with how much smaller the game was back then it just felt very special
NPA and this stage brought the community in together the most I think. Also the Hermit vs Musashi arts are fire
Some old turtle hermit vs guy who got his name and spot in the meta stolen🗣️🔥
I feel like the best designed early game stage has got to be eoc 3 moon, genuinely teaches you a lot of how to play the game
In a way I sort of agree to an extent but unfortunately the entirety of EoC and treasure grinding really soured the whole experience LMAO
For post EoC stages, some mid-SoL was also incredibly fun on release too.
@@LucasIVYTcutpurse coast nrf
@justakrabbe6130if treasures didn't exist the game would be impossible
@funfinity69420 they are talking at a mechanical level. They should change the mechanics of treasures and make it something else or simply eliminate it and change some numbers to keep the rest of the game the same way
@@iker9095 play mate
I played Floor 30 for the first time at around early-midgame myself, and I have to say, it was indeed a challenge at that point still in spite of the fact I did this only a couple years ago. I played with very low powercreep, only having Pizza and Fishman, if I recall correctly, as well as using Shadow Akira over Musashi.
I don't remember the exact lineup I used, but I do know it was basically the classic strategy. I remember making multiple attempts and being in a cold sweat the first time I beat Hermit. So, yeah, even though back then people were saying the floor was dead, not really. It's just changed from an endgame challenge to a early-midgame one.
it's more of a midgame challenge than midgame but i agree
I've been watching your content for a while now and your videos have such good quality and high analysis when talking about aspects of the game. This is probably a top 3 video for me and further solidifies my love for floor 30 and this channel.
Aw man now that I think about it, if someone is watching Nadu's videos but not streams, this video might be them seeing his victory for the first time. Weird side effect, but worth the funny imo.
bit of spoilers but oh well!
0:20 i find it humerous that when you were showing the new units that counter the new enemies you show cat researcher for aku gory
LOL look you understand what I mean right that's good enough
I think idi:re definitely deserves a shout out, fun level that has a pretty simple strategy on paper but in execution needs good timing with some peons that can mess you up if not prepared. There's plenty of ways to beat it despite the 4 star restriction and i felt very satisfied beating it after struggling to for weeks.
yeah no fr, eldritch forces invasion is one of the most fun stages in bc i've ever played. landing an insane bahamut chain on idi and pushing her halfway down the stage is so immensely satisfying that even though i took god knows how many attempts (well over 100) i'd still love to be able to go back and play it again
also ponos please let us replay invasion stages why are all the peak stages in this game so limited
Idi and Jagando being unreplayable is actually such a crime
@@vinegar... Fr, making guides on those are a pain in the ass (I'm the kind of person who'd make a guide utilizing idi chains to beat the level)
😭i had ramen at 50+20 with lv5 talents so i just spammed it and won somehow
baha chaining idi: satisfying
naga and ramen with research combo method:
This stage almost broke me, but luckily I was on a packed bus with 1 hand.
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@@LucasIVYT to what
I have looked forward to clearing floor 30 for a while now, with this video making me the most excited. Finally, with Heavenly Tower back, and after so many attempts, I beat it. It felt incredible. It is the most skillful thing I've done in this game, and I'm so happy I got to take it down. Thank you for providing loads of hype and anticipation for this monumental occasion.
My favorite stage is definitely Land of Dreams lvl 20 (the Messier Baron). Especially back then when one of the best counters for that stage was Ken from the SF collab. It made me so happy when I finally beat it for the first time.
However, like Floor 30, it just gets easier with the more units you have available to you (and it is a collab so reruns are rare)
Oh I definitely should've mentioned that, Land of Dreams is legitimately a really fun gauntlet
@@LucasIVYTland of dreams was an especially banger gauntlet because not only did it not make me want to pull my hair out like other gauntlets, the rewards were so good you actually wanted to do it lol
@@TheAwfulUsername messier also used to have some pretty good rewards, iirc one of them was 5 epic seeds
i remember playing the stage up to max and having a great time, which for a baron is super impressive (it helps that the stages felt really fun for my skill level and game progression at the time)
f30, idi invasion, roo and other similar stages are rlly fun bc they allow you to express your own playstyle. that’s one of the most important things for a boss fight to do, especially in a strategy game. Socrates and mechabun are bad because there is only one strategy and the difficulty is unbalanced.
Also i love how hermit, idi and luza are all super high hp threats who can’t push on their own and do deadly damage but their whole stage revolves around peons who make them much more dangerous
The best stage in The Battle Cats is Flower Cat Awakens. In this stage player needs to manage his tight budget to fight off powerful waves of enemies. The reward is awesome. The most memorable stage in The Battle Cats for me.
about this i thought it was 2 am and uh waited at night just for it to not be there smh
@@potato-xm5en2:22 pm not am
Pf, really? That’s it? You’re forgetting the stage that pales Flower Cat Awakens into nothing but pure ash, the stage that’s designed for the player to make split-second decisions and precise and perfect timing, this stage is so well articulated, so fun, so replayable, that despite it’s difficulty, players still come around to visit this stage for the sole purpose of fun.
I am referring to Korea
@@Whispasta64 shi that took me 2 weeks to beat on 3*
Playing The Battle Cats around 2018 was peak.
Think after trying floor 30 back in the day was the true final nail that got me stuck into battle cats, being able to lose again and again and go "one more time" has got to be one of the best feelings you can get from any game.
Also makes me nostalgic for seeing the community hating and loving the stage at the same time
OMG I LOVE THIS STAGE!!! I actaully wasn’t playing bc when this stage came out but back in 2021 I was able to beat it without Ubers and that is literally my greatest accomplishment ever!
Great video Lucas!!!
that pop off moment when I finally cleared f30 is what keeps me coming back every day to funny cat game
Floor 30 is at such a great place as well because most players won't have a lot of Ubers yet, so those three rare tickets are really tempting. You end up seeing a lot of personalized load outs that you wouldn't use for any other stage in the game.
My load out was Cool Japan, Manic Mohawk, Power Cutter, Akuma Lion, Gravi (first form), Awakened Bahamut, and Mitama the Oracle. I used rich cat and sniper cat power ups and beat it after over twenty attempts. Never have I had more fun with a mobile game. This is the stage that convinced me to look up a guide and introduced me to the Battle cats comunity. Overtime I learned to improve thanks to battle cats creators like Lucas IV. Floor 30 is without a doubt my favorite stage and it felt great to come back every 3-5 months when heavenly tower returned to see how much easier it got.
3:31 I will forever have ptsd when anyone utters the word floor and 28. I had to stack 7 CYBERPUNKS just to beat that god forsaken stage it took soooooo long.
And I had to stack 3-4 mitamas, and still almost lost.
Lucas is a type of guy that will make a video about earthshaker that 's 2 hours long
crypt of the necrodancer music :3 awesome video, I've hit a bit of a roadblock with battle cats where im tired of the grind so its awesome seeing videos like this to remind me how much strategy it can have
I miss this type of commentary overview video from you PLEASE MAKE MORE LIKE THIS!
"Still can't waterblast it"
Fucking comedy genius
Ridiculous. Dont you know that grotesque gallery is the holy trinity of stages?
I think EVA-00 was my first collab unit, around the time the first collab, and I remember how baffled I was replaying Floor 30 with him. His presence genuinely felt like hitting the "Waves On/Off" button, and I abused him as often as possible back then even if his kit stunk for the type of threats on the wave stage I took it to. Hes one of favorite units, just made that strong of an impression on me.
My thought process whil watching the video:
"Did this stage have strategy?"
"Oh right i have EVA-00 AND Akuma"
I remember back when i first completed floor 30 as it wasn't really the "Bait n bash" tactic of stalling hermit at the base with a wave immune unit to act as the main damage but rather a fierce game of tug of war where i tried to go for a perma-stun trick with Vendor and Healor Cat CC, but could never get it to properly work with the peons coming in and ruining the perfect timing. So it just turned into a fierce tug of war where i pushed Hermit back to his base and try to fend off the peons with Courier and Pizza with Octo being the wave blocker and a few others until the perma-stun was broken and Hermit would march his way back to the base. I tried doing the "Bait n Bash" along with throwing every single wave immune unit but could never get it to work as the "tug of war" method got me the win.
It truly did feel like i earned Hermit cat as a Unit that day.
...and then 1st tried floor 40 due to that same lineup being absurdly good and me getting absurdly lucky with the win.
28:42 I TOLD YOU PIRATE WAVE IMMUNE TALENT IS GOOD, TAKE THAT DOUBTERS. YEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHH
It's extraordinarily difficult to make a good boss stage where the boss is the main deadly pushing threat, rather than the ever-looming backliner support which does an occasional omni/LD nuke -such as the great demon lord- whilst the peons do the main pushing (usually with one particular peon being somewhat tougher than the others and the main threat of the stage), but when it's done well holy damn it is absolute peak.
I love to see more analyses on some of the other superbosses of the game - Battle Cats has a surprising amount of really good bosses. Even the ones that fall flat can have neat ideas such as Bakoo being a foe you must interrupt as much as possible to prevent it landing a devastating attack or Aku Cyclone being a cyclone but with the twist that it can't be crowd-controlled.
(and then we have stuff like lil nyandam which has the lenoirs be more prominent than lil ny himself, urs being... urs... and don't get me started on the travesty that is soractes. but again, these sort of bosses are the exception rather than the rule)
Hermit is not the main pushing threat though, you can stall him with literally just Mohawk. I think the only bosses that are the main pushing threat are the cyclones and Socrates, and we know Socrates’ stage sucks
@@daniiii888 That is true, but Hermit is definitely more involved than your usual omni backliner boss. I guess I mean more "frontliner boss" than anything, but I guess I worded it terribly.
@@scheeep7376 I get what you mean. It’s funny how most bosses aren’t the main threat and act more like annoying walls that force you to hold on for long enough to win
I suppose what I thought of in my head was that it's cool to see bosses which deviate from the standard "el big heavy nuker" formula, then I somehow misinterpreted myself and thought I meant "bosses which are the main threat", of which there is... Bun Bun? I guess?
Granted, there is a reason why "el big heavy nuker" is a common formula - it just works really damn well, quite a few of the best bosses in the game uses this formula.
But it's interesting to experiment outside the box or give deviations/twists to that formula? Maybe that's why I have this weird liking of pre-Courier Wanwan - he is one of the "el big heavy nuker" bosses, but his unique gimmick forces you to approach the stage in an interesting and unique way. (hang on this is completely off-topic, what am i saying here)
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othom best boss
I definitely remember when I first beat this stage, it was like the 7th re-run of the tower and utilising Zamboney as a second base and having it work out was probably the best feeling I’ve felt while playing this game
Floor 30 being the best stage being 1 of the only thing everyone in the battle cats agrees on is nice considering it is one of the oldest "superboss" stages
We all know its growing red
Hey Lucas, Its been a while. We were in a BC discord server about 7 years ago, and I wanted to say that you're still killing it. I had been playing battle cats since about a month after release, and I only quit about 2 years ago. Sometimes I still go through UL and SoL and relive a lot of the memories I have from back in the day.
In regards to floor 30, this video completely summed it up perfectly. I remember the hours and hours of raging because I couldn't beat levels like river styx or floor 30 and asking for advice in the voice channels. I havent consumed much battle cats content in the last few years, but this video brought me back and really resonated with me in a way I have never experienced. I think battle cats was the first real community I was ever a part of, and I am extremely grateful for all of the time I got to spend with my online friends, as I was going through a rough patch back then. This comment is likely to be lost in the sea of the other 400 comments, but on the chance that you read this, thank you for keeping this community alive and well throughout all of these years.
-NotActuallyRegit
Floor 40 was my favorite stage for many years
"if you haven't beaten floor 30 before, you should look forward to it" *me stuck on floor 29*
41:38 you just reminded me of how disappointed I was of IT 47, not only did we not get a manic moneko(which tbh I wasn’t expecting much) but it got easier than HT47.
(Also thank you for omitting any cheese strats, especially those that use a certain… collab cat)
"Limit yourself to 1 or 2 wave immune ubers"
Dgao and Dasli in the back:
The clickbait is so good that even if i've watched the video 3 times, im still tempted to watch it again
I remember when this stage came out and my best wave immune attackers were shishilan and musashi, what a good feeling it was to finally beat this stage. I'm so happy I didnt get shadow gao until way later LOL. It was a feeling compounderd knowing my brother pulled EVA-00 so he never had an issue with the stage.
I remember my first proper run against this stage, Diabolic Gao was my wave-immune attacker of choice. Having an Epicfest Uber like him would trivialize the stage, right? Not exactly.
If I failed to defend SGao, Hermit would get the chance to shred his HP. However, the momentary freezes gave me additional time/opportunities to get a defensive unit in there. I initially tried Li'l Lion, but swapped to Manic since the additional speed provided MUCH more value than the wave immunity. Sure, the fight may've been a bit easier with SGao, but it was by no means a free fight, and honestly it was a ton of fun for that.
Unless you use like some all wave immune lineup that can fight hermit a mile away from base I believe you can never not have fun with this stage, the fact that when i was replaying ht last time when it came around for rewards with dasli and darktanyan at lvl 60 and I still enjoyed it is frankly amazing, I genuinely believe even if a new player has dasli this is one of like 5 stages that they still 1. Get to play, and 2. Have fun doing so (as long as theyre still timing mmohawk or smth and not just spamming wave immune)
This is probably my 2nd favourite level in the game. I love the level of strategy required for this level and I love how versatile and complex it can get. But I think HT 50 is slightly better than this. Uril was such a delicate fight for me as any mistake was basically a loss. I also love how the background looks like Kami’s Lookout from Dragon Ball and the song playing is reminiscent to Chala Head Chala from Dragon Ball Z. And it being the last level of HT adds onto it as I found HT to be the best challenge in the whole game
Ahh, I remember this. Back in my day, I used shishilan pasalan. You know, he was widely considered the best nekoluga and one of the best nukers back then! Now you children have your „king of doom phono‘s“ and „Gaia the creator‘s“. I was just equipped with a shishilan and manic Mohawk and like 2 combo‘s. Ah yes, those were the days…
But seriously though, this stage is actually amazing, and it holding up even through the immense powercreep that the wave meta experience is so cool to see. I think one stage that i would consider to be similar in terms of fun and strategy and feeling of achievement would be prelude to ruin. It‘s an amazing introduction to UL, as it goes away from the spammy SoL meta, and uses the more reserved and strategic gamedesign of UL, while also keeping the enemies to stuff that is familiar, and giving a really useful unit as a reward.
42:36 I blame you for catclaw championship 12-2
I blame him on new brutal advent 💀!!
The Filibuster and Meta Filibuster stages are kinda easy once u get the proper units, but for me, were fun stages. The music helps to be very inmersive, the suspense about no letting the attack being completed are so fun. Those stages with the IDI and Jagando, needs to be replayable.
metafilibuster is replayable
I have 3 stared sol completed half of uL have all treasures in everything from eoc to cotc and i have done all of the deadly advent and im pretty sure the highest i got on heavenly tower was 15 because every time it comes out i just overlooked it and now that ive been wanting to play it i just have to wait for ponos to decide to add it
Honestly manic Mohawk is so underrated. Stacking ur cybers (or other Ld units) and then watching them shred through while watching cpu do everything is honestly pretty underrated
Floor 47 gets manhandled by a certain moustached chad wielding a giant flaming stick
I recently got to this stage and even with all the new units that can help, it was very difficult learning the timing and what units to use, and just the complete different way you have to play the game, instead of just basically saving until you get your best unit, you have to slowly let the boss reach your base and make sure you time your meatshields perfectly or else they'll reach your base and kill all of your wave immune units. It was fun but also so stressful. Very well structured stage and I hope they have more unique and creative stages like this
I found that even if you have diabolical gao, you still have to play carefully as pushing to much means gao is going to take heavy damage, and if gao dies then you are going to have to stall for a LONG time to get him back on the field. My first time beating floor 30 I mainly used wonder momoco since she is wave resistant, even though she freezes blacks, reds, and angels, I still had to play carefully due to hermit pushing to close.
Floor 50 in my opinion is also a good stage, not peak but pretty good as due to uril having over 100% uptime on surges and surges being vastly different in nature, the strat is kind of the opposite as now you need to keep uril at a safe distance and defend your CC units from the peons that SHRED meat shields(I'm looking at you sir rel).
I beat floor 30 before I finished ITF chapter 2.
Then again, to be fair, I had Shishilan, and I didn't actually understand that much about the game back then, this was still before I got too much into the community(Surprisingly, ch 3 moon isn't what got me into the community, but that's a diferent discussion), and so I didn't really know what treasures were or think that they were that important, and I found the legend stages more fun anyway, so I just didn't play ITF all that much until I figured out that treasures actually mattered and figured it was finally time to true form Bahamut.
Aw man, the video isn’t 3 hours long. Well, at least it’s 45 minutes lol. Nice job Lucas
Ponos cooked for this stage. To keep Hermit from your base, you have to use timing and critical thinking, something that ZL doesn't have, you have to stay on your toes to adjust for the random enemy layout, something UL doesn't have, and there's a big freeflow, customizable element, allowing you to stray from the basic formula in your strategy to do it in your own unique way, something that SOL doesn't have; The lack of a difinitive answer lets you do whatever you want to try, making it the most replayable stage in the whole game. You need to put so much precision both into your lineup and your skill, that the pristine quality feels unreal compared to any of the stages surrounding it. This stage is a masterpiece and overcame powercreep very well for an early stage in the game's development by Hermit having the combat ability to fend off against newer units and instead turns newer units into extra abilities to hold him back with a sort of tradeoff or weakness, based on the unit at play. This stage manages to powerfully highlight both the flaws of powerful units and the strengths of weaker units. It serves a great point of tension, as it is so well layered, you expect it to be the finale, but it's just a minor stepping stone for the even tougher trail ahead. It's so climactic and full of tension, that this stage feels like it does everything it wants to do, unlike any COTC final boss, if you can even call those bosses actual challenge. Not to mention, it doesn't require overleveling or insane grinding, which is forced for MERCILESS Advents. Unlike stages that are extremely blunt with their time limits by using assassin bear, this stage instead slowly and steadily increases the peon spawn rate to incentivize going quickly, yet still allowing the player to survive when the enemy spawn rates tick up, rather than cutting off your run instantly when the game feels like it, making the experience much smoother than any timed levels, yet containing a form of time constraint. All of the stage elements moving together in their own unique and precious way gathered the whole community together to work this out. This stage is every good quality of level design rolled together into a singular battle. Heavenly Tower F. 30 is actually cinema at its finest. Best level, no contest.
I feel like Multiversal Studios on release was a pretty great experience. It had that same sort of back and forth tension that f30 had, where you'd often find yourself being pushed really hard by the peon waves but also being able to regain ground due the Musashi's high kb count. The stage was also very money tight, so you had to really consider what the best use of your resources were. It was also a really good introduction for the doge base, since it wiping the field if you pushed up too far would be especially brutal due to the lack of money. IMO it was the peak of endurance based stages, since there was a clear win condition in outlasting the zang roo/zir zeal waves, and most of the struggle was in managing your resources well enough to reach that point.
43:13 i like to throw in my own honorable mention IDI's invasion stage on 4 star eldritch forces
The stages that comes to my mind are the bottom if the swamp with kappy jr. with the same reasoning of floor 30 bc you souldn't have many surge immune units to power creep the stage this early on, and the brutal advent stages due to them being late game and needning pretty specific untis (with usualy high investment) to trivialise.
The only Super Rare you’ll need is Witchy Neko, and your favorite area attacker. Mine is Chill Cat.
Hearing you praise the Evangelion collab stages makes me want you to rank all collab boss stages from all collabs. Like, how does We'll Meet Again compare to, like, Just Couldn't Say Goodbye from the Madoka Magica collab?
Unfortunately for Nutcracker Witch, her stage actually got mega powercrept hard with Courier LOL plus I think even though her stage premise is interesting, it's *mainly* just spamming units till you win. There's some timings here and there you can do but it's nothing super strict or super exciting, it's I think on a similar level with HT's F50
@@LucasIVYT Was mostly just a random example. I would love to see a tier list or ranking of every boss/challenge stage from every collab, so I was just throwing out some random stage names.
Magica madoka collab made me cry because i didnt know about the cat combo 😭 well atleast watching the anime made my life better and now im addicted to puella magica madoka
floor 50 ht and jagando's aku mountai were EXHILARATING for me
i don't exactly remember what i used for floor 50 but i just know my main dmg was lufalan
so just trying to keep lufalan alive while actually landing hits on uril was rly satisfying
it was more ragey than satisfying but yeah
for jagando my shield piercer was just aku researcher
it was like at the time akus released so no true form or other shield piercers
and man jagando was such a headachhee
i didn't have any surge immune units and i just gunned him down with lufalan and aphrodie
probably someone else too but i forgot
other than that, filibuster's stage is rlllyy fun
i think it's the most balanced boss stage in this game
been a long time time ago since i first cleared itf 3 moon too but that was a blast
just getting a.bahamut felt rly satisfying
that being said i quit the game for a bit but came back on a new account like 3 months ago i wanna say? and i beat cotc 3 moon just now
my "proof" would be the latest video i uploaded on my channel XD
but yeah coming back i am surprised courier is this easily accessible
he just denies a lot of enemies in general and is just a rly powerful unit
sol is still a bit boring :/
i rly wish they'd revamp it in some way
sry for the long comment but thanks for reading if u made it this far
I never got to truly experience this stage unfortunately, as by the time I had reached this floor, I had Shadow Gao at a very high level.
Maybe I’ll challenge myself at some point if I feel like it.
Watched the entire video while doing homework and i still wasnt done
I just beat this stage recently during the ongoing heavenly tower, it took me many attempts and various loadout changes but it felt really rewarding to beat.
Me with Witchy neneko, meatshield spam and pizza cat:
Such an easy level...
I love you, Dark kasli
9:55 did not expect a reference to my favorite game in the middle of a battle cats video
25:26
Does he also spit acid; spammable advent?
30:59 I think the word you might have been looking for here is 'impractical'
“Unconventional” is another
im gonna be honest, i used dark garu and phono as well as dasli and won without any other units 😭
I've long since stopped playing battle cats, but still enjoy your videos!
This stage feels like a really good progress check. To beat this no gacha (or little gacha) you need musashi, maglev and manic island, requiring you to go through the manic stages and beat the hardest one, go through most of sol and go through some deadly advents.
Thought this video was gonna be about Pitfall Zone. Can't believe you Lucas >:|
I beat floor 30 with the nurse wuffa strat and it’s probably my proudest battle cats achievement
Floor 30 for a mid-game player is truly a pinnacle stage. Despite me having regular Gao and Eyewaltz tf (including Musashi) I still struggled a few times. The moment Hermit died, it was the most satisfying thing I experienced in this game. Defeating this stage is the very definition of the phrase "LET'S F*CKING GOOOOO!!" and there's very few stages that can replicate that feeling.
yey finally another player who has eyewaltz
I had darktanyan, I couldn’t appreciate it☹️☹️☹️
43:40 the goat keep up the good work what is heavenly Tower coming back help me they're holding me hostage the voice is screaming loud
last time i attempted heavenly tower i didnt even have A. bahamut or manic cats, now im done with sol and cotc as well as having every advent cat tf
out of all units that powercreep this stage just didnt mention gloomy neneko, it made the stage a JOKE!
Dude your videos are so interesting, im finally convinced to continue my journey after my 1 month break
I need to try floor 30 for real instead of cheesing it. Seriously though floor 30 is insane to be 7 years old and still this good, even with units like courier and uril.
I havent played the tower before but i think i can brute force this since my ubers almost all have wave immune
It is so sad that some levels are playable only once. IDI invasion and jagando stage are so good, its been years i played those
The true peak of stage design is Extinction's Vortex, due to beating it rewarding you with Future Cat, the best Relic meatshield in The Battle Cats
What about cone cat?
@@ThisIsAHandle-xz5yo You get them on different periods of the game, most of the game you will use Future due to being unlockable right before An Ancient Curse, while Kappy Kawano's stage is literally brutal, so you will get Cone around Doron, Naala or even ZL, so Cone Cat is better, but Future Cat is more accesible.
you forgot to mention that trolly blogger magically gains the ability to 100% knockback your units when you need them to not be knocked back
You probably won't read this lol but this stage and the Infamous "No Returned Flights" are the best stages ive ever beaten, All of those peer pressures and that feeling when you escalate a plan that you made in a split seconds works is the best feeling
Respect to you... You've edited nearly all of the pictures so they have your hat... But hey, does it looks cool? Yes.
i sometimes just like to do this stage with a non powercreep lineup just for the fun of it
Love the undertale thumbnail
What if a alternate universe hermit has surge attacks instead of wave attacks during the update of wave enemys💀
35:12 I KNOW RIGHT LIKE I NEED A GOOD WAY TO GRIND DARK CATSEYES
My old job was getting rid of a few Inspirons back in 2020. They were 3847MT, had i5, 4440. I replaced the PSU with a budget 650 or 700 watt, and added a 1060 6 gb. I sold 2 and gave one to my dad as a budget gaming machine. I miss the days when prebuilts had normal parts and you were able to swap parts as needed.
Somebody Please drop the name of that artist 1:10
Nuh uh