Better: “I bought G-Force tuners, put them on a guitar that didn’t have the right type of nut, I didn’t read instructions and I blame the product” Also didn’t install the software update
That's not your head stock that cracked. If you look very closely it's just your lacquer. It was from the nut being pulled by the strings and it pressed on the lacquer.
@@literalghost929newsflash, people buy gibsons because they want a guitar that's built like how they used to be in the 50s and 60s. Flaws and all. Obviously they aren't for you
@@strawsparky33 Oh didn't know they had robotuners back then. But yeah if you want shoddy build quality, gibson is the only authentic choice, most modern manufacturers have QA and reliable build quality, definitely not something Gibson consumers are looking for; with gibson, you really have to hunt down that one special gibson which was build properly and sounds so much better than all the others; that one magical unicorn. Picking up a guitar and just having it play and sound great is just soo boring. Gotta be a quest to find a good one!
An automatic guitar tuner is a scary piece of technology. The entire time it's increasing the tension the only question I ask myself is "Is there a failsafe?" and "I hope there's more than one."
with heavy strings & fully charged battery, if it misjudged the pitch, pretty sure it has the strength to snap some necks. EDIT: That said, I was surprised to see it happen.
The prat was manually tuning, not letting it tune itself to pitch, it has the the same failsafe as a standard tuner in that scenario, none. If you keep winding, you'll add tension. 100% operator error.
@@acrock21 Of course you can, but it's up to you to stop it winding after it's reached pitch (he didn't), as it would be with any tuner. With the tuners turned off they also act like normal tuners, where you can turn the pegs. The muppet hadn't bothered to learn how these work, it's his own fault or deliberately done for content. It's actually a good system that works well. The mistake by Gibson was making it standard rather than an option. Would be good on acoustics where alternate tuning is more common.
This dude's reaction to his guitar getting cracked is really admirable. I used to be really precious about getting my guitars damaged but you're so spot on when you say "they're just things" . It took me years to get to not baby new ones and go "oh cool" when I inevitably ding it in a wall etc
I mean, you're right, but let me say this: I recently bought an Epiphone Les Paul prophecy, I paid almost 1000€ for it, and it was literally a month worth of work I did, I'm extremely careful as to not bump it into walls etc, especially since I paid all that i worked for. And it's so frustrating cause it gets all the dust and makes me mad cause I want it to look "new"🥴 I need to stop this haha
@@OttophilI agree that if it’s a good guitar that’s it’ll be fixed, but not everyone has the means to get stuff repaired. I’m lucky to both work at a music shop and have a good luthier local so my neck fracture was only $60, but it can get expensive depending on where you are
Yep, whole time i was watching that wondering why the battery was dead. Still, it shouldn't pull so tight that it damages anything. I've had them break light strings (8-40, 9-42) but never heavier strings. I've never had the Tronical on a 3+3 config, only 6-inline.
@@NunchucksHabit I have them on a 2015 LP 100th anniversary (GForce edition) and even if you hold a button down when restringing the motor will time-out and stop forcing you to press it again. While tuning if it goes past 'intune' it will wind the string down quite a bit before it attempts again. I do find that after restringing if you get them close to 'intune' by ear using the motors they will spend less time 'hunting' for the sweet 'intune' spot. Either he bought a defective set from someone of this is a hit piece as Tronical is still in business. Also when installing on another guitar you are suppose to perform a calibration after the initial tuning... something he did not do.
@@DirtyDog995 Yep, my thing was putting 9.5 - 44 Ernie Ball strings on my Strat and tuned it to half-down per my usual, then to break the strings in, I'd do a few bends and let the Tronical fix the slack every now & then. Tronical was a good solution for me as I was experimenting with different tunings, and I don't know how long you'd have to use them to wear the batteries down, but I spent 5hrs + per session when I was starting out (first guitar in 2018, @ 48yrs old) & only saw the low battery light once. The instructions were pretty bad, though, and anyone with a tiny bit of experience and locking tuners will benefit just as much. That's why my Tronical robo-tuners sit in storage & my Schallers have taken their place. You know how purists get about their Gibsons though. Gibson took a chance though, I respect that. It's not like regular tuners are tough to find. People overreact. I love Tyler's channel - he & Marty Music guided me around so many pitfalls as I started out recently & likely saved me a ton of money. Then there's the fact that in a hundred years I could never approach his level of musical talent. Gotta admit, I never suspected Tronicals would cause anything to crack on any guitar unless the guitar was doomed already.
Another example of user error. Not that I like these, but honestly people don’t like robots or gimmicks on guitars. Also, I bet most of the people that had these, never read the instructions and ended up using them incorrectly, like in this video.
@@vinny5004 If you do a lot of open tuning performances these are great for quick changes which is what I use the LP for but most people that got the 2014-15 Gibson models immediately removed them.
07:46: But the cracks were already there with the low tuning, before the tuning went way to high. Maybe these are finish cracks due to the tension changes. I would fix it by buying a Strat.
PRS is better than Strats and Fender. Fender is a joke; cheaply build and they play like a log. Before you think this is elitist talk, remember there are allot of PRS guitars that are cheaper and better than both.
@@mikew42906 Welll, there is. You can bump your headstock, making the finishes crack but without damaging the wood. Happened with nitro finish on my strat headstock.
I have an LP standard that originally came with these robo tuners - got a great deal on it for this reason from someone who didn't like it, and did initially plan to swap the tuners off but stuck with them for quite a while. I did change after a couple of years as I found restringing a hassle, but to be fair they did tune up fairly well and hold pitch. I think that crack is a result of the force the system was pulling over the guitar's nut unfortunately (or the shock from a quick change in tension), as the robotuners can put a lot of tension across it quickly. Hopefully it's just 'cosmetic' of the lacquer on the top layer. AFAIK Gibson guitars with these tuners installed all have both zero frets and a floating metal nut design rather than traditional style nuts. The change in design to use these elements to me suggests Gibson anticipated it might cause issues with a tradional style nut, or had problems 'binding' which could really stress the nut given the force of motorised tuners.
My sg came with them stock. Has normal nut. Works perfectly fine. Was definitely user error imo. Ive had mine start doing that because i was plucking the wrong string. Stopped immediately and reset.
I started working at Sam Ash Margate when these first started coming out on the 2015 models in the 2014 holiday season and it was quite a mixed feeling. Yeah, when it was bad it was absolutely horrible but when it was good it was quite a breath of fresh air. Being able to jump from standard to whatever tuning you wanted was pretty badass. I programmed the Rain Song tuning on mine (SG Standard) and it's one of my favorite guitars to play.
I have a 2015 les Paul classic with the Gforce tuners and it works awesome for me. The trick is to know exactly how to use it and make sure it’s fully charged.. I have many different tunings saved in mine and have no problem going from standard tune to full step down or any kind of crazy tuning I want at the push of a button. I bought mine new and it came with the book. It took me about 2 weeks to really get the hang of it.
These things work. There is an updated firmware that reduces the tuning time and increases precision. Having a charged battery helps and knowing how to use it/reading the manual helps. One thing that was not mentioned is how it has 3 banks of different tunings and will do custom tunings as well. It's a great tool to tune between songs silently at the push of a button. Initial setup on a string change is a bit of a pain, but once it it setup I find the updated version with a charged battery works as it is intended.
My charge lasts like literally maybe 6 months or more? I charge like once or twice a year depending on useage. You can always get a second battery as a backup and have zero down time...
I had the auto tuners on my LP Studio and they worked great. The only reason I changed the was some muppet, not me, put the battery in the wrong way round and broke the power connector. They are great on stage for alternate tuning, a quick tune once your strings are on. Anyone who says they didnt work, didnt read the manual
For a gigging musician that plays multiple tunings, I really appreciate how this makes life easier than tuning between songs or having multiple guitars in different tunings. Having more gear at a show means more stuff that could get stolen unfortunately so 1 guitar that does multiple tunings at the push of a button in seconds is a plus in my books.
Tronical still sells these (just not Gibson-branded). I loved them so much on my '16 HP I put them on ALL my other Gibsons. Zero issues, no headstock cracks, or anything else bad. You have to calibrate the unit once it's installed (or when you change string size/brands), which didn't help your tuning issues and speed.
Some people have books in the bathroom to occupy them when they're busy in there for a while. Tyler has a selection of basses and a pod. I now have new life goals!! The perfect bathroom DOES exist!!!
I had them for years on my LTD Truckster (bought them directly from the German company Tronical who makes the ones on the Gibsons. They make them for all kinds of guitars). They worked great
These worked amazing just people wanna over do it for tuning go individual or strum all 6 strings whichever is out of tuning it'll tell you hit it after simple
I bought a studio les Paul with these on, work great never had an issue just read the manual. I think they're solving a problem that doesn't exist though.
I have a tronical (literally same thing) on my taylor acoustic and its awesome. perfectly tunes. great for kids or newer players that struggle with getitng all the strings properly tuned and moves the focus to learning to play rather than trying to figure out why it sounds bad. But it does have a learning curve for proper use and is much more powerful than I could ever fully exploit
I bought a Les Paul with the G-Force tuners years back. I didn't want the tuners, but the model that had the features I wanted came with them. I did not have as much trouble as you with tuning it up and such. Sometimes it works great. Others.... well... not so much. When the batteries no longer charge, I'll swap them out for non-robo tuners. It'll reduce the weight at the end of the neck.
I have these on my 2015 LP Standard. "Press, Strum, Perfect". Not exactly every time, but, if you pluck each string rather than strumming the lot, it's pretty good. Makes it pretty easy to swap tunings too (with a quick check of the manual, as it's not something i do too often). People don't half hate on the 2015's, but I really like mine. I enjoy the flexibility of the push/pull pots, the flame top and paint finish on mine are excellent. Plus the fretboard markers are real mother of pearl. I don't like the headstock silkscreen, but i can live with that when i play it and remember how good it is. It sounds and feels great. People will hate on it, but I like it, so that's all that matters :-)
Send the tuner to me. I have it on 2 of my guitars, and I love it. Sure, I know how to tune a guitar, but this is so fast and easy. You do, of course, have to use it properly.
I still have a set of the Min E Tunes I got with my old Les Paul Signature T… I tried them once and could NOT get them to work before removing them and putting Grovers on!
I have a Tronical Tune setup on my all aluminum guitar. I freaking love the thing! Absolutely zero issues, just turn on, tune up (or tune to a different tuning), and I am off to the races. One of the better gear choices I have made in a good long while.
They are not the most intuitive to use. But if you learn how to use them they are not bad. They are locking tuners. They do get your strings to correct pitch, and they stay in tune very well, they work. You can adjust tuning manually when the power is off so as not to damage the motors. If all your guitar strings are out of tune, by allot, then the system has a hard time telling which string is at what pitch. Simply knowing how to use the system would prevent this kind of mishap. All you needed to do was to just long press the power button. That would activate the tuners in order, one by one, from low to high e, instead of all the strings togetherness. What happened was the system probably heard the vibration of the A string, which was so out of tune and low pitched, it thought this is the pitch of the low e. So it kept trying to tighten the low e, until it became too tight and cracked your guitar. It's not a terrible system, but it is also not a perfect system. As you have demonstrated, it's certainly not idiot proof.
Ive used them. The restringing is a bit of a pain but, its an amazing tool ONCE YOU KNOW HOW TO USE IT. You can still manual tune if you feel you need to but, you WILL break it, if you manual tune while it's switched on!
I have a les Paul hp. My robot tuners have never failed me and I can use alternate tunings in a pinch. You have to use it a while to get used to it. That's everyone problem
I could tell you were trying to give an honest review, and this is probably in my head, but every time I hear guitar players review these things it seems like they go in wanting to hate them. And, surprise surprise, they succeed. I have a Tronical Tune system (which I think is identical to the G-Force) on a Les Paul Studio and I've had it for years. I love it. Love it, love it, love it.
The device needs to be calibrated,when I change strings I sometimes tune the guitar manually and then the gforce will be alright from that point on, I love my gforce tuner!
I had a 2015 Les Paul Junior and the entire line came stock with G-force tuners. I was not intending on keeping them but the first string change I did I stripped a servo in one of the tuners because I over tightened the string locking nut. Grover’s locking tuners are way better.
I have a 2015 Gibson Les Paul Less. The auto tuners are amazing and work well. I understand that some people find them so non-traditional so they immediately hate the idea. They should try them first.
I have one (not sure if it's the same year) and it's worked much better for me than shown in this video. I've never had it overpitch a string very much at all. Restringing is a bit of a pain and sometimes the strum tune just doesn't want to get it right. Others it works amazingly well.
I wish so hard to own one of those Gibsons but ill never be able to afford one an that is really really depressing be satisfied just to try one closes ill ever get to bad thou my dream guitar if ya ever feel like given that as a gift you would make me the happiest 51 year old in world love your vids i learn so much cheers
Thank God I finally got a buyer on my 2015 SG about a month before this video dropped. Now sure how much this has to bear on your finish cracking but the neck profile on my old guitar was thin but very very wide.
Maybe was one of the first batch, I had in my Gibson les Paul Dusk Tiger and was different, all integrated in guitar with the rotary knob to power it, and was brilliant, never had any problem. Of course you cannot pretend to tune the guitar from zero, so from zero tension, but from out of tune and from one tuning style to the other was great! so from Open G to standard E, or Standard D, was brilliant and fast.
I almost bought an SG with these, the guy at the shop said straight up "You don't want to buy this guitar, you should actually buy this one, same guitar, just with regular tuners" Don't know if they ever got to sell the one they had in stock.
I had these on a 2015 les paul special-they worked great and made me pick up the guitar more often for a quick play since I knew I wouldnt have to tune up. At gigs though, sometimes the volume of stage and crowd between songs would vibrate guitar enough to make it inaccurate-same as a clip on tuner. For this reason only I removed them.
Same here I got them whit my 2015 sg standard,I left mine on and do find them good but I wouldn’t recommend on every guitar now I’ll have nightmares tonight that all my guitars will have these g tuners on lol 😂
I was in high-school when these came out and I was just learning guitar, I remember how hyped I was and thought as soon as I get a job I'm going to buy me a set, glad I never did 😂
My SG came with them. I think I’d describe them as ahead of their time in that the idea of being able to strum your strings and it sorts out the tuning isn’t terrible at all but what they delivered was disappointing because the reality was the little motors would hunt back and forth for the correct tension and sometimes would just give up and you’d have to repeat the process. To Gibson’s credit the ones on my SG were very unintrusive. When they finally died and I decided to replace them with regular vintage tuners, there was no marks or spurious holes left by the e-tune unit, and the holes in the headstock where standard sized holes. You shouldn’t have to damage your guitar putting them on or taking them off (certainly based on my experience)
I worked at guitar center when these came out. I got burned by the tuners trying to demonstrate it to customers over and over again so I stopped bothering and just pointed them toward last years model.
I have two 2015 LPs (a Studio and a Deluxe) with Robot tuners and they both work fine. Still there is a learning curve on how to get used and get the best out of it. Howhever never tried them in an extremely loud environement to check if that may affect the tunning. And yes, both guitars have titanium nuts.
Les Pauls have issues with cracked headstocks and necks from their inherent design. I cannot imagine trusting these auto tuners to not exasperate the issue.
I have nothing negative to say about my guitars with robo tuners. I am a keyboard player and can RTFM and press buttons. Works best in single note mode for me. I only used it in standard tuning and string change is a bit more effort.
I have a Les Paul with the Gforce from the factory, at first I hated it. I learned I had to calibrate it and do it once every couple of weeks. I can save and store multiple different tinning and switch between them easily and accurately. I use the mode to wind string up close to tune then fine tune each string after each string change. I have two batteries and change them out when one gets to about 2/3rds charge. I found it was mostly user error at first. I just had to learn how to use it properly.
You’re definitely making it look like hard work. I have a 2015 Studio with the GeForce tuners and it makes changing tunings a breeze, from E Standard to Drop D, to Open C, and so on. As for tuning stability, it’s no different from any other Gibson.
I had them.. I actually have a few sets of them kicking around if anyone wants any. I didn’t mind them but once I actually learned how to play it was easier to just tune it normally If I was playing shows and use a lot of odd tuning it wouldn’t be bad. It actually worked pretty well when I use to play rocksmith all the time cus I could program all the different tunings into it.
I was a tech for Guitar Center when these were pulled from the market. Gibson sent all of us templates and new standard tuners to retro fit all of the new Gibson's and remove all of these Gforce tuners to be shipped back to Gibson. They were an utter failure. They constantly would take on a mind of their own and break strings, tune incorrectly, and damage guitars. You're actually not supposed to manually turn the tuning pegs either. Doing so damages the mechanisms, which was an additional problem that customers were running into. Because they would accidentally break their Gforce tuners by habitually turning the tuning pegs when they needed to tune quickly. I hated these things back then. After I determined the auto mode sucked donkey balls, any time I had to work on a guitar with one I always switched them into manual mode and tuned it myself. The best decision Gibson ever made was to quietly pull these from the market and offer free tuner swaps to any and all customers who purchased one. Good riddance. Seeing yours thrown in the toilet was actually pretty great to watch.
Those robotic ones with a handle that you position it yourself on the tuning machines are much better. I have one and the only time it broke a string was because i got distracted and placed it on a different string than the one i was trying to tune.
I don’t know how they haven’t gotten this right. There was a company that made one of these in 2001 and they were on the guitars at the Experience Music Project in Seattle and it worked flawlessly.
I noticed the Tronical battery was almost dead the whole time you were testing. Not saying your experience would have been much different, but charging those batteries takes a couple of hours. I bought my first guitar in 2018, and I wanted to experiment with as many tunings as I could, so I ordered the Tronical for 6-inline (Telecaster) and it worked really, really well. I often didn't do a good job with stringing so the tap of the button made it easier to iterate from full step down/half step down/DADGAD/Open E, especially with light strings. It was a novelty at best - since it was always out of tune, I let the Tronical do the work. It saved time. I really like innovation like this, and I never understood the 'purist' mindset when it came to tuning. The Evertune's another example of innovation I appreciate. Tronical made an "upgraded" version soon after, which I bought but wish I didn't. It was pure garbage. If it won't work on a Tele, it won't work on anything. When I tried dealing with Tronical about a refund or even to get parts or a new battery, they were, in my 54yrs on this planet, the worst company I've ever had the misfortune of dealing with. The only time I got a reply to an email was when it was in German. They'd refer me to their site, which at the time had nothing but an order form. Took the hint, threw the then-$300 kit in the garbage, used quality tuners and a Snark since. One point for the 'purists'.
Dude, I think those early devices used on Gibson were somewhat improved later on. I am using Tronical Tune on my Strat since 2020 and I love it. Particularly when you need to change tuning between the songs to for instance drop D. Also it adjust immediate even if guitar is way out of tune, not at all like you struggled to do it.
I build, repair, and modify electric guitars. There have been a lot of cool guitars with high tech features. For example, I really like my 1980s Electra that uses onboard modules instead of effect peddles. However, high tech features add potential failure points to a guitar. Each component and each connection between components is a potential failure point. Modern, miniaturized electronics have a lot of parts and connections. They add a lot of failure points. If I was a working musician, I think my main guitar would be something fairly simple and robust. I would have others for specialized purposes but I would be prepared to fall back on my main guitar if one of those high tech features failed.
I got em on a 2016 Gibson SG and I they work great, exactly how they are supposed to. Really nice for changing tuning too. You just have to read the manual and know how they operate
The Roadie robotic guitar tuner is a much better option. It's not attached to the instrument, so you can use it on all your guitars, ukuleles, mandolins, etc.
I've got a Gibson with G-Force tuners and, I find the working, much better than it's reputation . You push the button, you strum all the strings, and it tunes the guitar. Simple...
I have previous version (not called G force, but it is exactly the same thing) of G force tuners in my Gibson LPM from 2014. Did not want them, but it was impossible to find LPJs that year, so I decided to take LPM with the automatic tunners. They had their issues. One tunner stopped working after 1 year, but got it replaced under warranty. 1 or 2 tuners are not smooth when operating manually. Apart of that I had issues with the tunners. The guitar is 10 years old now. I am waiting for the tunners to fail, but they keep working. They are good when I want to change the tunning between songs. Of course it is not ideal, as It is not doing the whole setup. The result is as good as one would expect from changing tunning between songs... but way faster than changining it manually.
7:52 "What is that noise?"
That's the authentic noise of a gibson headstock.
It´s especially funny because of the amount of smack he was talking at the beginning 🤣
That's the sound of a volute free headstock.
@@paulissus8974volutes feel weird
@@Louzahsol Really you won't even feel it after a little while playing on one. I have guitars with and without them and never notice it
Good catch. That sucks to break a head stock on Gibson. He handle a lot better than I would of.
The title is wrong.
"I tried Robotic Guitar Tuner and got free relic-ing"
😂 It's just a feature they don't tell you about.
Better: “I bought G-Force tuners, put them on a guitar that didn’t have the right type of nut, I didn’t read instructions and I blame the product”
Also didn’t install the software update
I think it is just the lacquer. It can crack when the wood beneath it deforms too quickly. I think the headstock is still fine.
@@EbonyPope Orange lacquer is great for margaritas
Yeah .. free checking !!
That's not your head stock that cracked. If you look very closely it's just your lacquer. It was from the nut being pulled by the strings and it pressed on the lacquer.
gibson guitars doing gibson things
agree!
That’s definitely just your lacquer. I’ve got a guitar that I thought had a heel break but it was just the paint. Looked just like that.
@@literalghost929newsflash, people buy gibsons because they want a guitar that's built like how they used to be in the 50s and 60s. Flaws and all. Obviously they aren't for you
@@strawsparky33 Oh didn't know they had robotuners back then. But yeah if you want shoddy build quality, gibson is the only authentic choice, most modern manufacturers have QA and reliable build quality, definitely not something Gibson consumers are looking for; with gibson, you really have to hunt down that one special gibson which was build properly and sounds so much better than all the others; that one magical unicorn.
Picking up a guitar and just having it play and sound great is just soo boring. Gotta be a quest to find a good one!
They way it was tuning fast and passing the correct pitch was like watching a horror film lol.
My eyes were squinting the whole time. 😂
Just some cracks in the lacquer, you can now trade it in as a $10k Murphy Lab relic.
most likely, but i'd be pretty pissed too
@@amaurythewarrior he has like 9 billion dollars of guitars im sure he can afford to have it fixed even if it did crack
You, sir, win the Internet today
that unintentional toilet bowl trickshot was brutal lmao
"this doesn't belong in the trash, this belongs in the toilet" -god or something
The lord redirected that tuner from the trash to the toilet, a holy miracle!
Its like playing a pitch russian roulette
With three bullets!
Now you have that perfect gift for a guitar player that is on the naughty list.
The guitar doesn't deserve it though.
I think it is just the lacquer. It can crack when the wood beneath it deforms too quickly. I think the headstock is still fine.
An automatic guitar tuner is a scary piece of technology. The entire time it's increasing the tension the only question I ask myself is "Is there a failsafe?" and "I hope there's more than one."
with heavy strings & fully charged battery, if it misjudged the pitch, pretty sure it has the strength to snap some necks. EDIT: That said, I was surprised to see it happen.
spongebob: Floor it???
Mrs Puff: yes. NO NO NO Spongebob...
spongebob : FLOOR IT??!?!?!?!
spongebob: OKAY! FLOOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!
The prat was manually tuning, not letting it tune itself to pitch, it has the the same failsafe as a standard tuner in that scenario, none. If you keep winding, you'll add tension. 100% operator error.
@@StevenHadfield so do you never manual tune these?
@@acrock21 Of course you can, but it's up to you to stop it winding after it's reached pitch (he didn't), as it would be with any tuner. With the tuners turned off they also act like normal tuners, where you can turn the pegs. The muppet hadn't bothered to learn how these work, it's his own fault or deliberately done for content.
It's actually a good system that works well. The mistake by Gibson was making it standard rather than an option. Would be good on acoustics where alternate tuning is more common.
This dude's reaction to his guitar getting cracked is really admirable. I used to be really precious about getting my guitars damaged but you're so spot on when you say "they're just things" . It took me years to get to not baby new ones and go "oh cool" when I inevitably ding it in a wall etc
I mean, you're right, but let me say this:
I recently bought an Epiphone Les Paul prophecy, I paid almost 1000€ for it, and it was literally a month worth of work I did, I'm extremely careful as to not bump it into walls etc, especially since I paid all that i worked for.
And it's so frustrating cause it gets all the dust and makes me mad cause I want it to look "new"🥴 I need to stop this haha
The ole “off the trash lid, into the toilet, nothing but net” summed up the whole experiment perfectly.
My condolences. 🤘🏻😞
hearing the actual cracking noises was nerve-racking...
Ive snapped a gibby headstock off. Its nbd. True fans don’t let that stop them from the brand cause a youtubers nerves were racked
No big deal to you
@@OttophilI agree that if it’s a good guitar that’s it’ll be fixed, but not everyone has the means to get stuff repaired. I’m lucky to both work at a music shop and have a good luthier local so my neck fracture was only $60, but it can get expensive depending on where you are
I think it is just the lacquer. It can crack when the wood beneath it deforms too quickly. I think the headstock is still fine.
Nerve cracking is more like it
Note to MiW... the battery needs to be charged for it to work properly... flash red batt warning is a no-go
Yep, whole time i was watching that wondering why the battery was dead. Still, it shouldn't pull so tight that it damages anything. I've had them break light strings (8-40, 9-42) but never heavier strings. I've never had the Tronical on a 3+3 config, only 6-inline.
@@NunchucksHabit I have them on a 2015 LP 100th anniversary (GForce edition) and even if you hold a button down when restringing the motor will time-out and stop forcing you to press it again. While tuning if it goes past 'intune' it will wind the string down quite a bit before it attempts again. I do find that after restringing if you get them close to 'intune' by ear using the motors they will spend less time 'hunting' for the sweet 'intune' spot. Either he bought a defective set from someone of this is a hit piece as Tronical is still in business. Also when installing on another guitar you are suppose to perform a calibration after the initial tuning... something he did not do.
@@DirtyDog995 Yep, my thing was putting 9.5 - 44 Ernie Ball strings on my Strat and tuned it to half-down per my usual, then to break the strings in, I'd do a few bends and let the Tronical fix the slack every now & then. Tronical was a good solution for me as I was experimenting with different tunings, and I don't know how long you'd have to use them to wear the batteries down, but I spent 5hrs + per session when I was starting out (first guitar in 2018, @ 48yrs old) & only saw the low battery light once.
The instructions were pretty bad, though, and anyone with a tiny bit of experience and locking tuners will benefit just as much. That's why my Tronical robo-tuners sit in storage & my Schallers have taken their place.
You know how purists get about their Gibsons though. Gibson took a chance though, I respect that. It's not like regular tuners are tough to find. People overreact.
I love Tyler's channel - he & Marty Music guided me around so many pitfalls as I started out recently & likely saved me a ton of money. Then there's the fact that in a hundred years I could never approach his level of musical talent.
Gotta admit, I never suspected Tronicals would cause anything to crack on any guitar unless the guitar was doomed already.
Another example of user error. Not that I like these, but honestly people don’t like robots or gimmicks on guitars. Also, I bet most of the people that had these, never read the instructions and ended up using them incorrectly, like in this video.
@@vinny5004 If you do a lot of open tuning performances these are great for quick changes which is what I use the LP for but most people that got the 2014-15 Gibson models immediately removed them.
07:46: But the cracks were already there with the low tuning, before the tuning went way to high. Maybe these are finish cracks due to the tension changes.
I would fix it by buying a Strat.
After several bad experiences with Gibsons (I've got a list) switched entirely to Fenders. That took care of the "list".
*DDDDDDAAAAAAMMMMMMNNNNNN* this needs to be at the top of the comments. Calling out Tyler for fuckery! Come on, dude.
I seen that as well and was checking to see if anyone else caught it. You can see the crack or checking before.
PRS is better than Strats and Fender. Fender is a joke; cheaply build and they play like a log. Before you think this is elitist talk, remember there are allot of PRS guitars that are cheaper and better than both.
That's assuming that edit was shot before it happened. It's a totally different cut and could have been added in later.
Hopefully, that's just a finish thing, lol. The signature T Les Paul came with this stock.
Looks like just a finish crack to me
@@mikew42906 Welll, there is. You can bump your headstock, making the finishes crack but without damaging the wood. Happened with nitro finish on my strat headstock.
@@mikew42906 lmfao yes there is. what planet do you live on?
Test it on a Harley Benton first!
I have an LP standard that originally came with these robo tuners - got a great deal on it for this reason from someone who didn't like it, and did initially plan to swap the tuners off but stuck with them for quite a while. I did change after a couple of years as I found restringing a hassle, but to be fair they did tune up fairly well and hold pitch.
I think that crack is a result of the force the system was pulling over the guitar's nut unfortunately (or the shock from a quick change in tension), as the robotuners can put a lot of tension across it quickly. Hopefully it's just 'cosmetic' of the lacquer on the top layer. AFAIK Gibson guitars with these tuners installed all have both zero frets and a floating metal nut design rather than traditional style nuts. The change in design to use these elements to me suggests Gibson anticipated it might cause issues with a tradional style nut, or had problems 'binding' which could really stress the nut given the force of motorised tuners.
My sg came with them stock. Has normal nut. Works perfectly fine. Was definitely user error imo. Ive had mine start doing that because i was plucking the wrong string. Stopped immediately and reset.
I started working at Sam Ash Margate when these first started coming out on the 2015 models in the 2014 holiday season and it was quite a mixed feeling. Yeah, when it was bad it was absolutely horrible but when it was good it was quite a breath of fresh air. Being able to jump from standard to whatever tuning you wanted was pretty badass. I programmed the Rain Song tuning on mine (SG Standard) and it's one of my favorite guitars to play.
I have a 2015 les Paul classic with the Gforce tuners and it works awesome for me. The trick is to know exactly how to use it and make sure it’s fully charged.. I have many different tunings saved in mine and have no problem going from standard tune to full step down or any kind of crazy tuning I want at the push of a button. I bought mine new and it came with the book. It took me about 2 weeks to really get the hang of it.
These things work. There is an updated firmware that reduces the tuning time and increases precision. Having a charged battery helps and knowing how to use it/reading the manual helps. One thing that was not mentioned is how it has 3 banks of different tunings and will do custom tunings as well. It's a great tool to tune between songs silently at the push of a button. Initial setup on a string change is a bit of a pain, but once it it setup I find the updated version with a charged battery works as it is intended.
He didn’t use it right
You don't need them. PERIOD. PLayed live for over 40 yrs without one. Hmmmm,,I wonder how I pulled that off.
@@markusaurelius777 that's true. I like them, not everyone does and that's ok. This was not a fair representation of the tuners unfortunately.
"yeah babe one second my guitar is almost done charging"
My charge lasts like literally maybe 6 months or more? I charge like once or twice a year depending on useage. You can always get a second battery as a backup and have zero down time...
I had the auto tuners on my LP Studio and they worked great. The only reason I changed the was some muppet, not me, put the battery in the wrong way round and broke the power connector. They are great on stage for alternate tuning, a quick tune once your strings are on. Anyone who says they didnt work, didnt read the manual
For a gigging musician that plays multiple tunings, I really appreciate how this makes life easier than tuning between songs or having multiple guitars in different tunings. Having more gear at a show means more stuff that could get stolen unfortunately so 1 guitar that does multiple tunings at the push of a button in seconds is a plus in my books.
nobody in the right mind would buy such a useless tool for musicians. Use your fucking ears and a regular headstock tuner ffs.
@@viffer5did you try that line 6 guitar? It did that, although I imagine there was lag
Maximum Overdrive has come for our guitars!
great film... crackin sound track
Tronical still sells these (just not Gibson-branded).
I loved them so much on my '16 HP I put them on ALL my other Gibsons.
Zero issues, no headstock cracks, or anything else bad.
You have to calibrate the unit once it's installed (or when you change string size/brands), which didn't help your tuning issues and speed.
Some people have books in the bathroom to occupy them when they're busy in there for a while. Tyler has a selection of basses and a pod. I now have new life goals!! The perfect bathroom DOES exist!!!
The problem with the robot tuners are that theybwere just done really bad if they had put good work into them it would be super practical
I had them for years on my LTD Truckster (bought them directly from the German company Tronical who makes the ones on the Gibsons. They make them for all kinds of guitars). They worked great
These worked amazing just people wanna over do it for tuning go individual or strum all 6 strings whichever is out of tuning it'll tell you hit it after simple
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How much did it cost you? tempted to get one for my gibson
They were still only at the prototype stage. Gibson insisted on releasing them and ended up leaving Tronical with $90 million in debt.
@@vorpalbladesThats their fault, companies come and go
I bought a studio les Paul with these on, work great never had an issue just read the manual. I think they're solving a problem that doesn't exist though.
Honestly, I think if Gibson stuck these out I think they would have been amazing now!
I have a tronical (literally same thing) on my taylor acoustic and its awesome. perfectly tunes. great for kids or newer players that struggle with getitng all the strings properly tuned and moves the focus to learning to play rather than trying to figure out why it sounds bad. But it does have a learning curve for proper use and is much more powerful than I could ever fully exploit
Like uncle Dave said: If there’s a new way, I’ll be the first in line
I bought a Les Paul with the G-Force tuners years back. I didn't want the tuners, but the model that had the features I wanted came with them. I did not have as much trouble as you with tuning it up and such. Sometimes it works great. Others.... well... not so much. When the batteries no longer charge, I'll swap them out for non-robo tuners. It'll reduce the weight at the end of the neck.
I have these on my 2015 LP Standard. "Press, Strum, Perfect". Not exactly every time, but, if you pluck each string rather than strumming the lot, it's pretty good. Makes it pretty easy to swap tunings too (with a quick check of the manual, as it's not something i do too often). People don't half hate on the 2015's, but I really like mine. I enjoy the flexibility of the push/pull pots, the flame top and paint finish on mine are excellent. Plus the fretboard markers are real mother of pearl. I don't like the headstock silkscreen, but i can live with that when i play it and remember how good it is. It sounds and feels great. People will hate on it, but I like it, so that's all that matters :-)
Send the tuner to me. I have it on 2 of my guitars, and I love it. Sure, I know how to tune a guitar, but this is so fast and easy. You do, of course, have to use it properly.
Stevie T towed a car with I think it was 20 guitars strings.
I'm not surprised that a Gibson headstock broke before a single E string. XD
Think it was like 7-8 strings actually
Before they ran the neck into the front of the car lol
7-8!?
Damn... Poor Gibson didn't stand a chance. XD
Those guitars ara very very good to burn in the fireplace!
I still have a set of the Min E Tunes I got with my old Les Paul Signature T… I tried them once and could NOT get them to work before removing them and putting Grovers on!
I bought them directly from Tronical. They make them for all kinds of guitars. Had them on my LTD Truckster for years. They worked great
I have a Tronical Tune setup on my all aluminum guitar. I freaking love the thing! Absolutely zero issues, just turn on, tune up (or tune to a different tuning), and I am off to the races. One of the better gear choices I have made in a good long while.
They are not the most intuitive to use. But if you learn how to use them they are not bad.
They are locking tuners. They do get your strings to correct pitch, and they stay in tune very well, they work. You can adjust tuning manually when the power is off so as not to damage the motors.
If all your guitar strings are out of tune, by allot, then the system has a hard time telling which string is at what pitch.
Simply knowing how to use the system would prevent this kind of mishap.
All you needed to do was to just long press the power button. That would activate the tuners in order, one by one, from low to high e, instead of all the strings togetherness.
What happened was the system probably heard the vibration of the A string, which was so out of tune and low pitched, it thought this is the pitch of the low e. So it kept trying to tighten the low e, until it became too tight and cracked your guitar.
It's not a terrible system, but it is also not a perfect system. As you have demonstrated, it's certainly not idiot proof.
Will it add significantly to SG neck dive?
“Not idiot proof…” Zing!!!!
Yeah he was supposed to hit one string at a time. Not all together lol 😆
Your half bath is sickkk my guy, we need a house tour looks like you’re unique and creative in your decor as well🎸
i know right, that is like the sickest bathroom ever
Thank you for your sacrifice.
Ive used them. The restringing is a bit of a pain but, its an amazing tool ONCE YOU KNOW HOW TO USE IT. You can still manual tune if you feel you need to but, you WILL break it, if you manual tune while it's switched on!
9:38 A flush would've been epic.
I have a les Paul hp. My robot tuners have never failed me and I can use alternate tunings in a pinch. You have to use it a while to get used to it. That's everyone problem
I never understood all the hate around these. I have them on my 2015 LP traditional and they're absolutely fantastic
Not needed...a simple headstock tuner does the job fine...plus guitars are not perfectly intonated, and your ears do the fine tuning before u go live.
Totally agree. Read the manual and they work great!
I could tell you were trying to give an honest review, and this is probably in my head, but every time I hear guitar players review these things it seems like they go in wanting to hate them. And, surprise surprise, they succeed. I have a Tronical Tune system (which I think is identical to the G-Force) on a Les Paul Studio and I've had it for years. I love it. Love it, love it, love it.
Knowing how to tune your guitar (manually) is just part of being a competent guitar player
Yuppers
Yeah, but what if you havent got fingers to tune it? then its useful right?)
The device needs to be calibrated,when I change strings I sometimes tune the guitar manually and then the gforce will be alright from that point on, I love my gforce tuner!
I do the same thing. Never have problems with mine and love it for quick change of open tunings.
I had a 2015 Les Paul Junior and the entire line came stock with G-force tuners. I was not intending on keeping them but the first string change I did I stripped a servo in one of the tuners because I over tightened the string locking nut. Grover’s locking tuners are way better.
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when you first played that neck pickup clean before the change it sounded beautiful
I have a 2015 Gibson Les Paul Less. The auto tuners are amazing and work well. I understand that some people find them so non-traditional so they immediately hate the idea. They should try them first.
I have one (not sure if it's the same year) and it's worked much better for me than shown in this video. I've never had it overpitch a string very much at all. Restringing is a bit of a pain and sometimes the strum tune just doesn't want to get it right. Others it works amazingly well.
No we shouldn’t. We should all buy a tuner and learn to tune by ear
I have a Trad with these on and they work fine
Mine works great, too.
Thanks for using it so the rest of the world doesn't have to
I wish so hard to own one of those Gibsons but ill never be able to afford one an that is really really depressing be satisfied just to try one closes ill ever get to bad thou my dream guitar if ya ever feel like given that as a gift you would make me the happiest 51 year old in world love your vids i learn so much cheers
That poetic bounce into the toilet was 😅
Thank God I finally got a buyer on my 2015 SG about a month before this video dropped. Now sure how much this has to bear on your finish cracking but the neck profile on my old guitar was thin but very very wide.
They tried to make a better mousetrap - and the mouse ate the mousetrap!
you can buy them directly from tronical, and you can easily repair the gears in the tuning pegs should they break.
That moment you show something it's worthless, and it just un alives itself, lol
Maybe was one of the first batch, I had in my Gibson les Paul Dusk Tiger and was different, all integrated in guitar with the rotary knob to power it, and was brilliant, never had any problem. Of course you cannot pretend to tune the guitar from zero, so from zero tension, but from out of tune and from one tuning style to the other was great! so from Open G to standard E, or Standard D, was brilliant and fast.
I had them on my 60s tribute Gibson SG, I switched them for original vintage tuners... I'll never go back 😂
That sound was the sound of you pressing the tune button so long that the e was tuned to like an out of tune b.
Bb3 to be precise, just short of the B string
Same thing happened to me. Welcome back Grovers!!
I almost bought an SG with these, the guy at the shop said straight up "You don't want to buy this guitar, you should actually buy this one, same guitar, just with regular tuners"
Don't know if they ever got to sell the one they had in stock.
I had these on a 2015 les paul special-they worked great and made me pick up the guitar more often for a quick play since I knew I wouldnt have to tune up. At gigs though, sometimes the volume of stage and crowd between songs would vibrate guitar enough to make it inaccurate-same as a clip on tuner. For this reason only I removed them.
How long does it take you to tune?
Same here I got them whit my 2015 sg standard,I left mine on and do find them good but I wouldn’t recommend on every guitar now I’ll have nightmares tonight that all my guitars will have these g tuners on lol 😂
I've loved my Tronical tuners for years!
They make them for Fender guitars too. I charge it once every 6 months or so.
When the automatic tuning came out, I knew right away it was a gimmick and hazardous to Gibson health.
They were a perfect example for human ignorance and stupidity.
Such a great invention. Love mine :)
I was in high-school when these came out and I was just learning guitar, I remember how hyped I was and thought as soon as I get a job I'm going to buy me a set, glad I never did 😂
The audible gasp I made when I saw the crack! Those tuners are pure evil!
My SG came with them. I think I’d describe them as ahead of their time in that the idea of being able to strum your strings and it sorts out the tuning isn’t terrible at all but what they delivered was disappointing because the reality was the little motors would hunt back and forth for the correct tension and sometimes would just give up and you’d have to repeat the process.
To Gibson’s credit the ones on my SG were very unintrusive. When they finally died and I decided to replace them with regular vintage tuners, there was no marks or spurious holes left by the e-tune unit, and the holes in the headstock where standard sized holes. You shouldn’t have to damage your guitar putting them on or taking them off (certainly based on my experience)
Did it tune that low E up a whole octave?
The robo tuners took that string up an octave and a diminished fifth - from the E2 it should be to Bb3.
I worked at guitar center when these came out. I got burned by the tuners trying to demonstrate it to customers over and over again so I stopped bothering and just pointed them toward last years model.
Probably an idea floated to Gibson by a Grover employee to up their sales for tuners that year.
I have two 2015 LPs (a Studio and a Deluxe) with Robot tuners and they both work fine. Still there is a learning curve on how to get used and get the best out of it. Howhever never tried them in an extremely loud environement to check if that may affect the tunning. And yes, both guitars have titanium nuts.
Les Pauls have issues with cracked headstocks and necks from their inherent design. I cannot imagine trusting these auto tuners to not exasperate the issue.
I have nothing negative to say about my guitars with robo tuners. I am a keyboard player and can RTFM and press buttons. Works best in single note mode for me. I only used it in standard tuning and string change is a bit more effort.
omg don't do it to that beautiful guitar!
Great video man. When I was watching you tune up the low E string I thought "What if he just did dive bombs with tuners" lol
p90s just smoke with badassery. I always will want for a TV yellow special
I have a Les Paul with the Gforce from the factory, at first I hated it. I learned I had to calibrate it and do it once every couple of weeks. I can save and store multiple different tinning and switch between them easily and accurately. I use the mode to wind string up close to tune then fine tune each string after each string change. I have two batteries and change them out when one gets to about 2/3rds charge. I found it was mostly user error at first. I just had to learn how to use it properly.
You’re definitely making it look like hard work. I have a 2015 Studio with the GeForce tuners and it makes changing tunings a breeze, from E Standard to Drop D, to Open C, and so on. As for tuning stability, it’s no different from any other Gibson.
I had them.. I actually have a few sets of them kicking around if anyone wants any.
I didn’t mind them but once I actually learned how to play it was easier to just tune it normally
If I was playing shows and use a lot of odd tuning it wouldn’t be bad. It actually worked pretty well when I use to play rocksmith all the time cus I could program all the different tunings into it.
I bought a set years back and still have em. Nobody has every made me an offer at all.
I was a tech for Guitar Center when these were pulled from the market. Gibson sent all of us templates and new standard tuners to retro fit all of the new Gibson's and remove all of these Gforce tuners to be shipped back to Gibson.
They were an utter failure. They constantly would take on a mind of their own and break strings, tune incorrectly, and damage guitars.
You're actually not supposed to manually turn the tuning pegs either. Doing so damages the mechanisms, which was an additional problem that customers were running into. Because they would accidentally break their Gforce tuners by habitually turning the tuning pegs when they needed to tune quickly.
I hated these things back then. After I determined the auto mode sucked donkey balls, any time I had to work on a guitar with one I always switched them into manual mode and tuned it myself.
The best decision Gibson ever made was to quietly pull these from the market and offer free tuner swaps to any and all customers who purchased one.
Good riddance. Seeing yours thrown in the toilet was actually pretty great to watch.
Those robotic ones with a handle that you position it yourself on the tuning machines are much better.
I have one and the only time it broke a string was because i got distracted and placed it on a different string than the one i was trying to tune.
nice intro. Man i like your channel a lot. I wish you the best.
I don’t know how they haven’t gotten this right. There was a company that made one of these in 2001 and they were on the guitars at the Experience Music Project in Seattle and it worked flawlessly.
I have a gibson hp 2016 with this, and it works well. When battery is low it starts to get nuts
I noticed the Tronical battery was almost dead the whole time you were testing. Not saying your experience would have been much different, but charging those batteries takes a couple of hours.
I bought my first guitar in 2018, and I wanted to experiment with as many tunings as I could, so I ordered the Tronical for 6-inline (Telecaster) and it worked really, really well. I often didn't do a good job with stringing so the tap of the button made it easier to iterate from full step down/half step down/DADGAD/Open E, especially with light strings. It was a novelty at best - since it was always out of tune, I let the Tronical do the work. It saved time.
I really like innovation like this, and I never understood the 'purist' mindset when it came to tuning. The Evertune's another example of innovation I appreciate.
Tronical made an "upgraded" version soon after, which I bought but wish I didn't. It was pure garbage. If it won't work on a Tele, it won't work on anything.
When I tried dealing with Tronical about a refund or even to get parts or a new battery, they were, in my 54yrs on this planet, the worst company I've ever had the misfortune of dealing with. The only time I got a reply to an email was when it was in German. They'd refer me to their site, which at the time had nothing but an order form. Took the hint, threw the then-$300 kit in the garbage, used quality tuners and a Snark since. One point for the 'purists'.
Dude, I think those early devices used on Gibson were somewhat improved later on. I am using Tronical Tune on my Strat since 2020 and I love it. Particularly when you need to change tuning between the songs to for instance drop D. Also it adjust immediate even if guitar is way out of tune, not at all like you struggled to do it.
Robo tuners have the added advantage of doing some light relicing.
I had wondered why these things weren't made for harps. Now I think it was sensible to try them out on guitars first. ;-)
I build, repair, and modify electric guitars. There have been a lot of cool guitars with high tech features. For example, I really like my 1980s Electra that uses onboard modules instead of effect peddles.
However, high tech features add potential failure points to a guitar. Each component and each connection between components is a potential failure point. Modern, miniaturized electronics have a lot of parts and connections. They add a lot of failure points.
If I was a working musician, I think my main guitar would be something fairly simple and robust. I would have others for specialized purposes but I would be prepared to fall back on my main guitar if one of those high tech features failed.
I got em on a 2016 Gibson SG and I they work great, exactly how they are supposed to. Really nice for changing tuning too. You just have to read the manual and know how they operate
the tuners being stronger than a gibson headstock is gold
Those tuners came on a Gibson Studio I bought from GC a few years back. I replaced them within a week. And someone actually bought them on ebay.
Man. That crack was audible. It hurt my teeth! Also, that is why I haven’t bought a Gibson yet. I’m so damn scared of those headstocks.
The Roadie robotic guitar tuner is a much better option. It's not attached to the instrument, so you can use it on all your guitars, ukuleles, mandolins, etc.
I've got a Gibson with G-Force tuners and, I find the working, much better than it's reputation
. You push the button, you strum all the strings, and it tunes the guitar. Simple...
Dude your bathroom is dope haha. Love the POD on the toilet
Ive got tronicle tune on a strat I made. Love them. been on for years. You need to read the directions.
Breaking the headstock is par for the course in a Gibson, this genius Gibson product automates the process.
I have previous version (not called G force, but it is exactly the same thing) of G force tuners in my Gibson LPM from 2014. Did not want them, but it was impossible to find LPJs that year, so I decided to take LPM with the automatic tunners. They had their issues. One tunner stopped working after 1 year, but got it replaced under warranty. 1 or 2 tuners are not smooth when operating manually. Apart of that I had issues with the tunners. The guitar is 10 years old now. I am waiting for the tunners to fail, but they keep working. They are good when I want to change the tunning between songs. Of course it is not ideal, as It is not doing the whole setup. The result is as good as one would expect from changing tunning between songs... but way faster than changining it manually.