Windows 98SE was great! I have some special Audio and Video capture cards that never had drivers released for NT/2000/XP. So I still have 98SE installed on those machines. They still work great and do exactly as intended.
Thanks for the efforts for installing a PC with Windows 98SE OS. SSD connected SATA 2 slot , DDR2 Ram modules, High class Quad core CPU were the facts which make the people to think that these parts would speed up the installation.Also these parts are the differences for this PC from other retro PCs which has legacy Hardware from its' time period. Top level PCI sound card from Creative was another difference for this retro PC. This mainboard would run windows 10 on it effectively. Good work, thanks.
Hi! I thought about doing the same thing with my am2+ mobo and x2 4850 cpu. I agree it will be tough on your am3, but it will be fun and feel great once it's up and running! Thanks again for watching!
When I got myself a P200 some time ago, I installed Win 98 SE and as the Win98 Theme came up for the 1st time it felt like I was 23 again when I got my first Windows PC 🥰 But it is as You said: Those Windows versions were far from comfortable when it got to drivers & compatibilihy BUT to solve those issues just to play Half Life, Unreal or something like that are the reason we know today how to workaround most issues on a PC 😂 My favourite Retro build of that period is a SuperSocket 7 System (Asus P5A) with a K6 2-450 and a Riva TNT2 Pro. I did not bother with Sata drives on that one for obvious reasons, I used a CF Card IDE Adapter with a 16 GB CF Card as hard drive which can be also "hot swapped" at the back of the case 😁 works fine with every IDE controller. As Floppy I used the GOTEK. It is hillarious. And for some critic: I like sleepers but I would not use a case with USB 3 ports on the front to home my windows 98 build 😂😂😂 edit: Oh, and I think, Win98 does not support multi core cpu !?
Yep exactly! I'd fight for hours to get a game title to play! But it was worth it haha! Yep I think I mentioned 98 dosnt support multi core in the video. I know that but wanted to use the quad 9500 at 2.83 gigahertz just to sat did lol. I've got a sd to ide card reader adapter. I was going to try if the ssd gave me issues. I still might set thw reader like you did in the future. :)
This brought some good memories of W98 installs 🥰. I still can't believe W98 ran on a Core2Quad mb! Gotta be proud when manufactures are able to provide backwards compatibility with old drivers like that. My gaming PC in 96 or 97 was a Pentium Pro running at 233mhz, Adapter UW 2940, a 4GB Cheetah 10k, Monster Voodoo 3D(I can't remember the base video card), and 256MB of ram. Every game I threw at it was flying. Kinda makes you wonder how new of a motherboard can you install W98 on before it says NOPE I have zero clue what this mb is! Oh my. Newbie mistake is bolting down the mb then discovering the video card doesn't sit in perfectly forcing you to realign the mb. Always gotta leave the screws loose to position the mb. Happened to me a good number of times . Oh that old thermo putty, I've sometimes had to use a hair dryer to soften it up to separate CPU from heatsink. Ah fun times. 🙂
Hi! Yeah, some drives I had force, but they took. Not everything was 100% . Wow, 233 p pro! Those were expensive back in the day. So expensive I'm favt that my friends dad bought a 200 p pro and kept it even when he couldn't play or do stuff much anymore, lol. A 10k scusi drive back then wow lol that's awesome in a home computer. I did the same years later. Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate it! :)
very cool build,, how fast is your quad core cpu in your computer,, i am just starting to build my first windows 98 computer ,, i bought a MSI 661FM3-V (MS-7103) Socket 775 micro Motherboard W/ 3ghz cpu,,, and has ddr 400 memory 512mb,, i bought 2 512mb for 1gb it might crash with that memory,,,,,, it also has 1 agp slot ,,, 2 pci slots,, 2 ide hard drive controlers ,, 1 floppy slot,, 2 sata controlers,, i bought a ssd 120 gb drive for sata hoping to get my ssd to work ,, my queston is i saw other you tube videos stating going over 2 ghz cpu will make windows 98 crash , yours did not crash,,,, my cpu is a pentium 4 3ghz single core will my cpu work ,, or down grade to celeron D 2.66 GHZ,, also mabe i can adjust the 3 ghz cpu to slow down in the bios if i my windows 98 crashes,...., hope to see more of your videos,,,,
Hi and welcome to the channel! the CPU i used was a core 2 quad 9500 @ 2.83 ghz. I installed with 512 meg ram then used the mem patch to see over 512 and ran 1 gig and i think 1.5. Your Pentium 4 should run fine. As windows 98 wasn't really ever able to see/use more than 1 core cpu. Crashing problems occur with older games for DOS that go nutz when the CPU is to fast. Windows 98 se is what I used. It crashed a few times but that was me trying to force video card drivers to work etc. my fault lol. 120 gig ssd should work fine. Might want to make it 2 partitions if win 98se dons't see/like the 120 gig at first. Your right in thinking to slow the cpu down, that can help in some cases. Best of luck and let me know how it goes! Thanks for watching and commenting I appreciate it :)
Found a nice standard form factor industrial MB a while back that I plan to turn into a beefy 98/DOS machine. Socket 478, DDR 1, AGP, PCI, ISA, support for four floppy drives. The thing's a beast. Even managed to find an old SCSI card to go in it that has drivers for 98.
Hi! Oh wow, that sounds like it's got tons of options and compatibility niceeeeee! I'm tempted to retry this build with my athlon xp setup.. but I've got other projects atm I'm filming and trying to get out first for the channel ;) This rebuild will have to wait a bit ;) Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate it!
Great video! Your 3dmarks result is pretty good for a Nvidia 6200 GPU. For reference my 3d Mark 2001SE result on my current machine is 16895 - this is on a Pentium 4 3Ghz (OC to 3.3) and a Radeon 9800 256Mb Pro (also OC'd, 418Mhz GPU, 351Mhz Memory). You're definitely outclassing me with CPU, but the Radeon GPU would put me back ahead there.
Hi and welcome! Nice 3dmark results! Ooh, nice, you have a 9800pro sweet! I've 2 9700pros, but as of yet, to land a 9800. Nice system you have there! Wel, my cpu and nobody choice sure wasn't ever dreamed of forWindowss 98 lol and I had a few hiccups trying to get it running. I was wondering if I should revist 98se build but use my amd 3500+ 64 cpu and 939 mobo this time.. go with my 9700pro and oc it a smidgen. Thoughts? Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate it :)
@@RememberThisTech Thanks! ah yeh, the 9700 are good cards too. I actually started with a 9250 when I bought the system I started with for my current Windows 98 machine. I'm not sure if its as much your thing but I'd be keen to see some more benchmarks, particularly some CPU focused ones. I've not tried any AMD cpus yet personally but I hear good reports about them
A neat build! 👍👍 I recall using Windows 98 SE., on a Pentium 3 Compaq desktop PC., and it worked reasonably well, but it did have some stability issues, I never played video games on it though. I use Linux Mint these days and there are many free games in it's repository, but I'm not a gamer. Obviously I enjoy watching retro builds though.
@@RememberThisTech I have watched some videos about upgrading the older Mac Pro desktop computers, such as the 2012, 5,1 and once upgraded they are still very capable computers and workarounds are still created so that the latest Mac operating systems can be installed using Open Core or other patches; Linux OS., or Windows can also be used on those computers. Do you ever obtain older Macs? I have considered doing so, but there are not so many of them here in the UK., so they are still quite expensive.
@LAURENCE JOHNSON That's great info ty. Yeah, there's older Mac pro towers around where I live, imacs, laptops, thing is most of the cheap ones are with dead drives or not known to be in working condition. Either the owner knows its dead and just wants money or dosnt really know. So I'm worried to take a risk of buying a hunk of scrap metal.. I've also read that you can only upgrade to a certain Mac os depending on what hardwares in the Mac, but your saying with workarounds one can bypass that and install a newer Mac os? I've got my eye on a G4 tower... but the owners saying they don't know if it works has no hd... soo do I waste 60 bucks?
@@RememberThisTech The G4 is part of the power Mac range and that range is much older, it's from before Apple changed to using Intel and of course they have now changed again. The power Mac range can be made to function but they are rather limited and they use a lot of electricity . The second link below shows a channel where power Macs are often the subject of the videos. The later Mac pro desktop computers are the ones which interest me the most, that is the 4,1 and the 5,1 and the first link below shows a channel which has useful information on the workarounds which I mentioned. The Apple Imacs are also of interest to me, but they are rather complicated to work with. www.youtube.com/@jensdbe/videos www.youtube.com/@brokenelectronics3665/videos
Interesting build of a Windows 98 retro PC, albeit with components that didn't even exist at the time ;-) But then I would have been better off using a Gotek floppy emulator instead of the 3.5 inch drive, which is what I have in all three of my retro PCs installed and they work great. 999 disks on a 2GB USB stick, that's a strong argument ;-) I hope you don't have too much software that reacts critically to such powerful hardware (for a Windows 98 computer).
Hi there, I appreciate that point on the new op hardware running 98. I guess the point was just to get the newest hardware to run 98 on :) I'm working on a new 98se build with more age appropriate hardware. It just takes time to get working pieces :) I have one of those gotech devices but was too slow to figure it out. lol :( Thanks for watching hing and commenting. I appreciate it.
you could try a radeon x850 xt platinum edition for the gpu as thats the most powerful radeon pcie gpu for win98 drivers. it even has better driver support than the 5000 and 6000 series geforce cards. And a core 2 duo E8600 has the best single thread performance of that socket since win98 doesnt support more than 1 core. you know about the 2gb ram patch too. sound card is good considering the chipset, but you get better dos compatibility with an aureal vortex
Hi there! All great info tyvm! I'll have to see what new parts I can gather. I think I'll go for a more compatible build next round. Thanks for watching I appreciate it!
I'm amazed the PCI-E version of that card was actually functional in 98. You should test some DOS games like The Elder Scrolls: Arena, or Raptor: Call of the Shadows.
Hi there! I used to have the elder scrolls arena I played it a long time. I lost the disk though :( might be able to download a copy from Gog or something. Thanks!
I run ME on a Pentium 4 with a Radeon 9550 & Soundblaster Audigy for all of my 16bit retro needs. Things solid, ME gets such a bad rap for being unreliable, but with more modern hardware its absolutely flawless, modern PSU's that dont spike
Hi there! That's a nice setup you've got there! Now you've got me thinking hrrmm could a Windows ME build be in my future :) What's you're P4 clocked at? Also, what mobo are you using? Thanks for commenting and watching. I appreciate it!
I used to copy the whole 98 installer on to a separate partition on my drive and install it from there so I didn’t have to put the cd back in every time I wanted to install a driver
@@RememberThisTech i actually loved windows 98 I would still run it if it supported all the new hardware I can’t even get it to run on a Virtual Machine anymore
@@jefferybills5224 Yup! I've tried to get it to setup on vms but it's tricky. That's kind of the reason I did this hardware build. Plus I wanted to see if it could run somewhat on newsih hardware.
Another drive option would be an IDE to SATA adapter connected to a SATA to mSATA adapter board. There are plenty of small size mSATA drives out there. I have done this a bunch of times in old 98 systems as well as in old thin clients.
10:29 only if your 60G partition were formatted FAT32 instead of FAT16, you would avoided some hassle. Just to be on the safe side, make your boot partition less than 32G for FAT32 under Win98. One never know how a particular chipset/BIOS may (mis)behave. Core line of CPUs were based on P3 if I remembrt correctly so you have there 4 pentium3 CPUs even if only one is used. The easiest way to backup/restore a Win9x or dos installation is, for me, archiving the content of C drive (and restore it when necesary) with any program you see fit (zip, arj, ace, rar, all the dos versions). Nice setup, I also tried Win98 on modern hardware and PCIe devices worked very well without issues, provided that there are drivers for them.
Hi and welcome! You're correct. I mist certainly made a few mistakes with this build :( I don't think I've built 98 in 30 years, hah! Perhaps I should have done a bit more research, I guess it helps me to relearn by doing this as well. I do seem to recall that the core2 was based on p3. Intell failure with the space heater p4 made them take a look back at the more efficient p3 architecture and bam! Thanks for the tips, comments, and watching. I appreciate it :)
I feel uncomfortable not seeing the I/O Shield lol anyway... I love this kind of videos with Windows 95/98 and XP..... Greetings from El Salvador in Central America
Hi, and welcome to the channel! Tough sometimes to get mobo io shields on old boards from online :( I hope I can get an xp build soon. The older socket 462 mobo I was working with has issues. Replaced a few bulging caps, but still issues :( I won't let it stop me. I'll still make an xp video !! Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@RememberThisTech Thanks to UA-cam for show me one of your videos on the recommended list, i really like your content and i will be seeing all your videos, they are really entertaining.
Love watching videos about building retro PC. I also have a Win98 retro PC also with more modern specs: Intel Celeron 420 @ 1.6Ghz Asus P5PE-VM ATI Radeon X800 Pro Creative Soundblaster Live 2x256mb DDR1 400 1x80GB IDE Drive 1x IDE DVDRW 1x1.44MB drive Deepcool Smarter Deepcool DE500 PSU
Hi and welcome to the channel! Very nice setup you have there! I've an Ati 800xl I've cleaned and re-thermal pasted That I'm hoping to use in another 98 or ME retro build soon! Thanks for watching and commenting I appreciate it :)
Since your 8800 GTS is >512MB, did you try the Rlowe patch to reduce thevram to 256MB which 98SE seems to have trouble with anything above? I have gotten the Geforce 7800GTX 256MB to work, but have not tried the 8800GTS. I have the 320MB version, so maybe I should try that.
Hi and welcome! Oh, I didn't try that! Thanks for the tip. I'm sure I'm going to try it now :) My 8800 gts used smoke tons of games. Would be nice to get it to work. Thanks again for watching and commenting. I appreciate it :)
Sweet! I'm going to build a Bridge machine with an Intel AX440LX board and a Pentium II 300 MHz processor. I'll probably need to get Win98 installed because I want to use those USB ports for transferring files.
Hi, welcome to the channel! That 440lx mobo brings back memories, hah! Make sure to use the USB support patch. Good luck and have fun! Thanks for watching.
I know this may sound random 😆 but can you play MIDI files with using the sound master live? Because I know the sound blaster 16 emulation is not going to work.
Hi and welcome to the channel! If I recall I was able to play midi files. It's been some time though... I read that one should use the WDM drivers not the VxD ones in case though. Could be mistaken. I know I had to force the drivers manually and tried a couple times. Windows 98 is a pita at times for sure and this build reminded me how difficult the OS can be ;( Thanks for watching and commenting I appreciate it :)
@@RememberThisTech well thank you. I'm glad I stumbled on your video. I did Google that brand of motherboard and they look a little different compared to yours but I think it would still work. Like for example, your IDE port is red when the other ones are green 😆 think they may be a little different revisions but as long as they are both the same chipset which they are, it should work fine as I am thinking. Also, I have dealt with Windows 98 when old hardware newish hardware and it is a pita 😆
@alexmccullough8704 I researched that board so I could get the newest/one with legacy driver support and some modern things like Sata, etc. BUT omg, it was still an ordeal. One thing I'd do over is use a Nvidia 5500 or 5700 series video card, perhaps. But that same mobo I also used in an xp build. There was a website with all the mobos with 95/98 drivers, but researching and finding a working one from that list was tough. People wanted a lot of money for older working legacy stuff.. Thanks again, and stay tuned. I have a few more videos coming up with older legacy stuff soon!
@@RememberThisTech thank you. I am looking forward to seeing more retro hardware videos. So do you think the other revisions of the board would still work? It probably will be a while until I build a modern-ish machine to install 98 on. I will also keep an eye on those exact Nvidia cards. I know it's pretty hard to find hardware because people do charge an awful lot of money 😆 😫
hi i have several of those geforce 6200 asus graphics cards. they seem to be vary uncommon because nvidia later produced the turbocache versions more and were pretty awfully slow at time. the one you have is more akin to lower clocked geforce 6600 and i think used the same silicon die too making them rare now.
Hey there and welcome! MattKc has great content. I like his channel, and Dawid does tech stuff, too. I've been slowly trying to work on my production quality hopefully I'll get close to their level kne day :) maybe I'll add a touch of my own sarcastic humor into future productions, or maybe I shouldn't? Thoughts? Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate it.
@@RememberThisTech A touch of comedy definitely wouldn’t hurt! I just subbed because your channel looks pretty nice, looking forward to what you make next!
Hi, and welcome to the channel! I'll go back through and see if I can get a bit more detailed answer for you on that. Basically, you would download the Nvidia 6200le drivers and extract them into a folder. Open device manager, right-click on the video card, select properties update driver. You will need to specify where the drivers are you extracted.. Windows 98se isn't intuitive, lol.. then you can roll the dice and see if it's picks ups the driver automatically, but 9 times out of ten, you will have to manually select the inf file and see if it takes it.. I might try and create a short reel on how to do this. Just need the time :( If your super lucky you can find a 98se nvidia drivers install packaged on a retro pc site.. but be careful as theres tons of trojans and viruses out there..Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate it :)
i am actually running my beast W98 computer C2D 6400, AGP Radeon X850 PRO, 1GB RAM on Asrock 775i65G rev2.03. 3DMark 2001 result near 24k score. DId u tried dual core CPU instead C2Q? I think u can do much better result with CPU where is higher power for one core or you can try disable cores in bios but not sure if is possible with LGA775 cpus 🤔 Hmm i am surprised you installed PCI express under W98 i think i need try same thing 👀
Hi, and welcome to the channel! You've got a nice setup there!! I had a radeon 800xl back in the day with an actic cooling aftermarket cooler on it. Nope, I haven't tried a dual core or a high singer core setup yet, but I've got something planned for the near future!! Yeah, pcie graphics worked. It wasn't easy, and a lot of mobos and graphics cards probably won't work, but hey, it's worth trying :) Let me know how yours works out. Thanks for commenting and watching. I appreciate it :)
Nice build i did a 98 machine with a new old stock asrock motherboard and a 3.0 ghz pentium 4 the gpu is an agp ti 4200 i copied a build phils computer lab done a while ago ,it is amazing that windows 98 runs on some core2duo and quads they were and still are good cpu,s.
Hi and welcome to the channel! Thanks I appreciate it! Nice build! A p4 3 ghz is strong for that build plus you can heat your house with it lol j/k. Phil's computer lab is a good channel! Thanks for watching and commenting ;)
Nice vid! Went down this route a few years back. My ultimate win 98 pc has a athlon xp 3200+ on a msi K7N2 Delta-L with 512mb PC3200 DDR ram and a asus radeon 9800 xt, Chaintech nvidia fx 5950 ultra and a asus geforce4 ti 4600... i couldn't pick 😅and a sound blaster audigy 2 zs. Ooh use some brake cleaner to get away the old thermal paste.
Hi and welcome! Ty! That xp cpu was the fastest in that line if I remember right. Nice setup. In hindsight, maybe I should have gone with an athlon build. Would have had more driver support, perhaps. Shrug. Thanks for watching and commenting 🙂
@@RememberThisTech The xp cpu is pretty much overkill. If you do go for a athlon in the future get a motherboard with the nforce 2 ultra 400 chipset for best results. Also for most games to work geforce 4 or 5 will be better then 6 for compatibility which was a thing back then. And 512mb ram max for dos to work next to a hdd thats not too big.
@MeALot ahh great info thanks! I'll need a vacation after wrestling with this latest 98 build before I try and tackle another lol. Getting my hands on working 4 series nvidia cards will take some research :)
@@RememberThisTech I was lucky to buy everything during the start of corona when no one was buying stuff and sellers were kinda desperate lol Thats why i ended up with several gpus. The fx is kinda bad but i like making fun of it, the radeon 9800 pro is nearly as good as the xt and still sometimes pretty cheap. I have seen the 9800 xt go for 4 times what i paid for it right now. Geforce 4 ti 4200 and 4400 are not that much less from the 4600 in performance but are a lot cheaper.
just curious if you know if a dell windows 98 se will work on non dell windows 98 se computers,, my friend says he will give me a brand new package that has the windows 98 se disk and windows 98 floppy and coa book that says dell on it ,, thanks for the link i found my drivers
Wew 13$ for 120 gb is pretty good, even if it's a basic dram less ssd my cs900 has been working fine for about 4 - 5 years now i think ? About 11.6 TB writes too it & still 90% health left so plenty too go. Also got a 240 gb cs900 which I've put too use now in a laptop after getting a 1 tb m.2 drive for games instead.
Heh I figured windows 98 wouldn't mind a cheap ssd lol. You are getting some good life out of yours! I picked up a 2 tb for video editing and 1 tb nvme im going to use for boot.. got a 2tb reg ssd 980 samsung for games etc. Goto rearange setup.. depends on what or if i change my main rig to a new cpu and board.. decisions decisions.
You can pull the drive an create an image quicker with Macrium Reflect (free) using a laptop or another system using a USB to PATA/SATA adapter. That’s how I image the drives in all by builds.
Hi and welcome! I like that idea a lot! I've used Macrium before and like it. idk why I've never done that before for 98 retro backups. Excellent! Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate it 😀
Even you went so far managing to install somehow some drivers, you still can have problems with games. Like NFS4 that do not recognizes new video cards and uses shit standard vga setup with awful graphics. But if you use proper video card from its era you'll have the game at full and surprising beautiful graphics. It is nice for having fun installing it and making a yt video on it, but I will not go this way for a win 98 machine.
I used more modern parts and most games worked. That was the point. If I want I can buy a card from that Era. But Most cards I realy wanted like the voodoo 3000 or banshee I tried to get were too expensive or non functional after the fact so i used what I had that worked. Once I get the voodoo 3000 working I'll be all set. Thanks
@@bestopinion9257 i got 98% games working including old dx titles like turok & need for speed etc... to work with geforce 6 under win98 using some game patches and opengl to directx wrappers since these series of gpu's are very fast and strong with the opengl renderer. 8 bit palleted textures are useless and barely many games supported it. i got table fog and other legacy 3d rendering features working with the directx wrapper so i have no need to get a rare or expensive graphics card for an win9x build. although i still perfer the ATi radeon side of things with these types of builds because of the less driver and game support hassle, things just work outside the box with out the need of 3d renderer wrappers. also if you want to play 3dfx glide games on windows 98, use zack's opengl to glide wrapper as that works with pretty much every gpu that support opengl 1.3 or higher or use nglide which requires an directx 9 video card. i admit that driver support for the later nvidia cards suck and perfer to just stick to anything geforce fx or older for the win9x platform but if you're using windows NT, you have unlimited options at your disposal.
@@explorer9049 Patches often do not solve the problem entirely. And if you want a retro rig, make it compatible in the first place. You do not need to be 10x faster than you need and 95% compatible and to have to deal with patches. If you want a Formula 3 car, make a Formula 3 car. It is cheaper and less work. Do not make and F1 car and modify it to match the regulations for Formula 3. This is how I see this retro building rigs thing.
The ultimate win98 machine id build myself would probably be something like a socket 754 motherboard with agp, running a Athlon x64 for that socket or maybe the mobile Athlon x64 4000+ based on the newark architecture which is essentially the san diego core. 512 mb ram probably as well. As for gpu I'd probably go for something like a passive Nvidia 6000 series card, or the ati x1650 maybe a agp 6600 gt or gs. I do have a Audigy zs 2 laying around somewhere as well & a voodoo 1 4 mb (Though I'd personally want a voodoo 3 pci rather then the voodoo 1 for the games I'd like too run on there.)
I like your thought process on your 98 build and your choices of parts! I'd have preferred a 3000 voodoo or a banshee 16 meg even. I had a 6 meg voodoo 1 rush and a banshee, but alas, I sold them...plus they are expensive nowadays
@@RememberThisTech Yep, at least you can emulate the voodoo cards kind of via nglide on a modern pc & get game compatibility setup via dgvoodoo & dgvoodoo2 for some games as well.
Maaan, 128MB of GPU memory is the limit for W98/W98SE.. btw with memory patch you can go up to 2 gigs of ram and with LBA48bit patch you can easily use 500GB hdd
Hi and welcome to the channel! Good tips thanks! The 6200 Graphics card I had only has 128 mb of mem. I'm familiar with the mem patch upgrade but I didn't have 2gb of memory for the system :( I wasn't aware of the HD Patch good info tyvm! Thanks for watching and commenting I really appreciate it ;)
@@RememberThisTech No, windows will recognize more than 128. My 256 videocard has no problems, and 98 will run 512, but can and does flake on some cards at 512. Windows 98 will support up to 3.5gb of memory.
Does that revision of board have the Atheros AR-8131 lan chip? If so what driver did you use? There does not appear to be a Win9x driver for it....Or did you use a patch that allows the 2K/XP driver install?
Hi and welcome to the channel! Here's the link to the Board I used www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-G31MX-S2-rev-1x#ov Its got good 98se driver support, part of the reason I chose to use it. I believe it uses the Realtek 8139 Lan chip. I used some patches from Other sites I can't 100% remember but might have used mem patch and others from Phils Computer lab and and archive. Thanks for watching and commenting I appreciate it :)
@marcelmojzis4374 Well, when installing everything at the beginning, your suggestions are most likely the best, and one should disable those. Thanks for the input, and thanks for commenting and watching:)
Hi! Yep, i just couldn't justify some of the prices the 6800 was going for where I'm at :( So I settled for the anemic 6200, lol. Thanks for commenting.
@@RememberThisTech No problem and very good video. BTW it would be cool if you do a follow up testing a few more games like unreal tournament, quake and doom. Also, throw some obvious DOS games on the mix, just for teh LULZ.
@@jangelelcangry Thanks! Great idea! Might be a bit before I do that though because I've got a ton of new video projects in the works ahead of it ;) Thanks for watching!
Lol my first pc was back in 2003. I had a pentium 4 with 128 mb ram. Also it was only showing 112 mb ram for me because it using some of the ram as gpu memory. Another thing my old school mobo had a 64 mb gpu built in. Then after 3 years I was finally able to hook it to a nvidia card. The fx 5200. Mind you I was in a third world country too. But the gpu cost like less than 30$ back in the day brand new. Lasted 2 years. 😂
Hi and welcome to the channel! Wow p4 brings back memories:) Fx 5200 was an ok card for its time. Way to make your pc stretch! Thanks for watching and commenting 🙂
Hi, and welcome to the channel. I did test it with dual monitors before, and it worked well. From what I read, Windows 98 se can support up to 9 monitors. But that depends on your graphics cards and support, of course, lol. Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate it :)
If you ever try a multiboot system with Windows 2000 and you have petitions over 137gb activate lba if not you have to reinstall all =/ blue screen of death is a nightmare .__.
Hey there! Good info ty! I used to use win 2k for my daily driver but haven't used it for decades! As far as gaming I stick with 98 se and xp as far as retro rigs.
@@RememberThisTechI use my system for 98se 2000 XP and vista with 2gb memory 98 sometimes acts strange even with the memory patch on 98 and 2000 I play games with my voodoo 5500 PCI and on XP and vista I do play games on a 3850 AGP 1 system for all
WILL A AGP8X card will work in an AGP4X slot,, mine has a agp 4x slot ,iam looking to buy a nvida 8x 256mb video card will it work in my pc or do i need to buy a lower grahic video card, and where did you download the universal drivers for windows 98 se usb ports ,, i want to make sure mine work ,, what pci sound card do you recommend for windows 98 se and might try dos on windows 98,, , thanks
Supposedly All NVIDIA Geforce and Quadro GPU's which support AGP 8x mode are downwards compatible with AGP 4x motherboards. I'll try to find the USB drive link for you. I'd go with sound blaster 16 or audigy zs card.
My limits on Win98 (SE): - 512MB RAM (I think you can put 2GB, but you need to edit system.ini after 1st reboot and limit to max 768MB) - GF6200, 256MB GPU (mentioned patch is for 512MB, but I did not get it). - For CPU, apparently network stack will reduce it. As I remember, a Core2Duo 1.8MHz already tripped it. I read some timing measurement overflow and crashes (i.e.: it can go higher if NO network is used).
Hi and welcome to the channel! Great info there tyvm! Yeah From what I read too 2 gb needs a workaround patch after the os is installed then add the other gig. I think it might be easier using an era appropriate setup but good luck getting parts all in working order after 30+ years ;) Thanks for watching and commenting I appreciate it.
you didnt not get it working right. If it was working properly then the windows would have a light blue and dark blue shading. when its only blue it means your drivers are not working.
Hi, welcome. I'm sure this setup could be on Linux, maybe xp or Windows 7, even. But this was a Windows 98 build ;) Perhaps I may do a Linux build in the future!
Doom95 would likely work perfectly! If I remember correctly, it came with 'The Ultimate Doom'. But yes you're right in that that's the Windows native port and not the DOS version, I imagine DOS wouldn't like the PCI-Ex slot.
Win 98 was horrible os. I had it running on my duron 800mhz machine back in the day for less than a year, switched to XP fast as I managed to get a press version of it through a friend before it was even released. That was first good windows os.
Everybody says that the limit for Windows 98 is 512 or 1GB of RAM, 6000 series GeForce and a lower clocked CPU. I have a post on Vogons foruns about my personal "Ultimate Windows 98 Gaming PC" with a Core 2 Duo E8600 @ 4.00GHz, ASUS P5G41T-M LX V2, GeForce 7900GTX, 4GB DDR3 RAM, 120GB SATA SSD (in IDE mode) and C-Media CMI8738 sound card. Also did some benchmarks with the E8600 @ 4.86GHz on a ASUS Maximus II Formula motherboardwith crazy results, search for "windows 98 vogons baguete" on google.
Hi, and welcome to the channel! Wow, you have a beast of a 98 setup for sure! Must have had to patched to use the 4gb ram, I believed even with the patch that 98se could only see and use 2gb. I had an E8400 back in the day, and that cpu was super strong. Your 7900GTX must be able to play any title of that erra, totally maxed, sweet! I'll check out your post tyvm for the info! Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate it :)
Here's the list of boards known to be working (or mostly working with some addon hardware and tweaks) with Windows 98.
ABIT IP-95
ABIT SG 80DC
AsRock 4Core1600-Glan
Asrock 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0
ASRock 775i65G R2.0ASRock 890FX-Deluxe5
ASRock 970 Pro3 R2.0
Asrock AliveDual-eSATA2
Asrock AM2NF3-VSTA
Asrock 4CoreDX90-VSTA R2.0
ASUS A8V Deluxe
ASUS A8n-E (with nForce 4 ultra chipset)
ASUS K8V-MX/S
ASUS M5A97 (Confirmed by rloew)
ASUS P4S800-MX
ASUS P5K
ASUS P5PE-VM
ASUS P5SD2-VM
BCMCOM BC875PLG
BIOSTAR P4M890M7SE
ECS 662/1066T-M2
ECS GeForce 6100SM-M
ECS K8M800-M2
ECS P4M800Pro-M2
Foxconn H55MXV (Rloew's SATA patch most likely required for correct operation, even in IDE/PATA mode)
Gigabyte 8IPE1000-G
Gigabyte G31TM-P21
Gigabyte GA-870A-USB3 Rev 3.1 (AM3+)
Gigabyte GA-8I865GME-775-RH (rev. 2.0)
Gigabyte GA-8I865PE775-G-RH
Gigabyte GA-945GCM-S2L
Gigabyte GA-965GM-S2
Gigabyte GA-965P-DQ6
Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3R Rev 2.1
Gigabyte GA-K8A480M-9
Gigabyte GA-K8NSC-939
Gigabyte GA-MA785GM-US2H
Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2HP
Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L
Gigabyte GA-P31-ES3G
Gigabyte GA-P43-ES3G (Rloew's SATA patch most likely required for correct operation, even in IDE/PATA mode)
Gigabyte K8NSC-939
Intel LAD865GVIPL
JetWay J7F4K1G5S-LF
MSI 865PE Neo3-F
MSI 865PE Neo3-V
MSI 970A SLI Krait (AM3+)
MSI K8N neo
MSI K9VGM-V
MSI P31 Neo V2
MSI Z87-G41
PC-Chips P23G (v1.0)
Portwell RUBY-9719VG2AR
Soltek SL-XP865G-3IG
Soyo SY-P4I845PE Lite
Soyo SY-P4I845PE-ISA
Supermicro X5DAE
Supermicro X7DAL-E
Windows 98SE was great!
I have some special Audio and Video capture cards that never had drivers released for NT/2000/XP. So I still have 98SE installed on those machines. They still work great and do exactly as intended.
Hi! Yep 98 se works and can still have a purpose even today :) Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the efforts for installing a PC with Windows 98SE OS.
SSD connected SATA 2 slot , DDR2 Ram modules, High class Quad core CPU were the facts which make the people to think that these parts would speed up the installation.Also these parts are the differences for this PC from other retro PCs which has legacy Hardware from its' time period.
Top level PCI sound card from Creative was another difference for this retro PC.
This mainboard would run windows 10 on it effectively.
Good work, thanks.
Gonna try this on a AM3 board. Highly doubt I'll get the gtx460 working since it was a pita even in xp but it could be fun. Awesome video! :)
Hi! I thought about doing the same thing with my am2+ mobo and x2 4850 cpu. I agree it will be tough on your am3, but it will be fun and feel great once it's up and running! Thanks again for watching!
When I got myself a P200 some time ago, I installed Win 98 SE and as the Win98 Theme came up for the 1st time it felt like I was 23 again when I got my first Windows PC 🥰
But it is as You said: Those Windows versions were far from comfortable when it got to drivers & compatibilihy BUT to solve those issues just to play Half Life, Unreal or something like that are the reason we know today how to workaround most issues on a PC 😂
My favourite Retro build of that period is a SuperSocket 7 System (Asus P5A) with a K6 2-450 and a Riva TNT2 Pro. I did not bother with Sata drives on that one for obvious reasons, I used a CF Card IDE Adapter with a 16 GB CF Card as hard drive which can be also "hot swapped" at the back of the case 😁 works fine with every IDE controller. As Floppy I used the GOTEK. It is hillarious. And for some critic: I like sleepers but I would not use a case with USB 3 ports on the front to home my windows 98 build 😂😂😂
edit: Oh, and I think, Win98 does not support multi core cpu !?
Yep exactly! I'd fight for hours to get a game title to play! But it was worth it haha! Yep I think I mentioned 98 dosnt support multi core in the video. I know that but wanted to use the quad 9500 at 2.83 gigahertz just to sat did lol. I've got a sd to ide card reader adapter. I was going to try if the ssd gave me issues. I still might set thw reader like you did in the future. :)
This brought some good memories of W98 installs 🥰. I still can't believe W98 ran on a Core2Quad mb! Gotta be proud when manufactures are able to provide backwards compatibility with old drivers like that. My gaming PC in 96 or 97 was a Pentium Pro running at 233mhz, Adapter UW 2940, a 4GB Cheetah 10k, Monster Voodoo 3D(I can't remember the base video card), and 256MB of ram. Every game I threw at it was flying. Kinda makes you wonder how new of a motherboard can you install W98 on before it says NOPE I have zero clue what this mb is!
Oh my. Newbie mistake is bolting down the mb then discovering the video card doesn't sit in perfectly forcing you to realign the mb. Always gotta leave the screws loose to position the mb. Happened to me a good number of times . Oh that old thermo putty, I've sometimes had to use a hair dryer to soften it up to separate CPU from heatsink. Ah fun times. 🙂
Hi! Yeah, some drives I had force, but they took. Not everything was 100% . Wow, 233 p pro! Those were expensive back in the day. So expensive I'm favt that my friends dad bought a 200 p pro and kept it even when he couldn't play or do stuff much anymore, lol. A 10k scusi drive back then wow lol that's awesome in a home computer. I did the same years later. Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate it! :)
very cool build,, how fast is your quad core cpu in your computer,, i am just starting to build my first windows 98 computer ,, i bought a MSI 661FM3-V (MS-7103) Socket 775 micro Motherboard W/ 3ghz cpu,,, and has ddr 400 memory 512mb,, i bought 2 512mb for 1gb it might crash with that memory,,,,,, it also has 1 agp slot ,,, 2 pci slots,, 2 ide hard drive controlers ,, 1 floppy slot,, 2 sata controlers,, i bought a ssd 120 gb drive for sata hoping to get my ssd to work ,, my queston is i saw other you tube videos stating going over 2 ghz cpu will make windows 98 crash , yours did not crash,,,, my cpu is a pentium 4 3ghz single core will my cpu work ,, or down grade to celeron D 2.66 GHZ,, also mabe i can adjust the 3 ghz cpu to slow down in the bios if i my windows 98 crashes,...., hope to see more of your videos,,,,
Hi and welcome to the channel! the CPU i used was a core 2 quad 9500 @ 2.83 ghz. I installed with 512 meg ram then used the mem patch to see over 512 and ran 1 gig and i think 1.5. Your Pentium 4 should run fine. As windows 98 wasn't really ever able to see/use more than 1 core cpu. Crashing problems occur with older games for DOS that go nutz when the CPU is to fast. Windows 98 se is what I used. It crashed a few times but that was me trying to force video card drivers to work etc. my fault lol. 120 gig ssd should work fine. Might want to make it 2 partitions if win 98se dons't see/like the 120 gig at first. Your right in thinking to slow the cpu down, that can help in some cases. Best of luck and let me know how it goes! Thanks for watching and commenting I appreciate it :)
Cool video. I built all my computers from Win 95 to Win 11. Great fun. Yes 98 was the pain in the butt. Thank you
Ty! Yep I did mostly the same but started back in dos 5.0 and then moved to win 3.11 and then Windows 95. Thanks for watching ;)
Found a nice standard form factor industrial MB a while back that I plan to turn into a beefy 98/DOS machine. Socket 478, DDR 1, AGP, PCI, ISA, support for four floppy drives. The thing's a beast. Even managed to find an old SCSI card to go in it that has drivers for 98.
Hi! Oh wow, that sounds like it's got tons of options and compatibility niceeeeee! I'm tempted to retry this build with my athlon xp setup.. but I've got other projects atm I'm filming and trying to get out first for the channel ;) This rebuild will have to wait a bit ;) Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate it!
That sounds very very nice!!! 🥰
Great video! Your 3dmarks result is pretty good for a Nvidia 6200 GPU. For reference my 3d Mark 2001SE result on my current machine is 16895 - this is on a Pentium 4 3Ghz (OC to 3.3) and a Radeon 9800 256Mb Pro (also OC'd, 418Mhz GPU, 351Mhz Memory). You're definitely outclassing me with CPU, but the Radeon GPU would put me back ahead there.
Hi and welcome! Nice 3dmark results! Ooh, nice, you have a 9800pro sweet! I've 2 9700pros, but as of yet, to land a 9800. Nice system you have there! Wel, my cpu and nobody choice sure wasn't ever dreamed of forWindowss 98 lol and I had a few hiccups trying to get it running. I was wondering if I should revist 98se build but use my amd 3500+ 64 cpu and 939 mobo this time.. go with my 9700pro and oc it a smidgen. Thoughts? Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate it :)
@@RememberThisTech Thanks! ah yeh, the 9700 are good cards too. I actually started with a 9250 when I bought the system I started with for my current Windows 98 machine. I'm not sure if its as much your thing but I'd be keen to see some more benchmarks, particularly some CPU focused ones.
I've not tried any AMD cpus yet personally but I hear good reports about them
@@erroneoushyphen Thanks. I'll try and incorporate more benchmarks as I can in my next video :)
A neat build! 👍👍 I recall using Windows 98 SE., on a Pentium 3 Compaq desktop PC., and it worked reasonably well, but it did have some stability issues, I never played video games on it though. I use Linux Mint these days and there are many free games in it's repository, but I'm not a gamer. Obviously I enjoy watching retro builds though.
Hi! Yep, the infamous win 98 had serious stability issues lol. Mint is a good OS. I've used it a bit here and there. :) Thanks for watching!
@@RememberThisTech I have watched some videos about upgrading the older Mac Pro desktop computers, such as the 2012, 5,1 and once upgraded they are still very capable computers and workarounds are still created so that the latest Mac operating systems can be installed using Open Core or other patches; Linux OS., or Windows can also be used on those computers. Do you ever obtain older Macs? I have considered doing so, but there are not so many of them here in the UK., so they are still quite expensive.
@LAURENCE JOHNSON That's great info ty. Yeah, there's older Mac pro towers around where I live, imacs, laptops, thing is most of the cheap ones are with dead drives or not known to be in working condition. Either the owner knows its dead and just wants money or dosnt really know. So I'm worried to take a risk of buying a hunk of scrap metal.. I've also read that you can only upgrade to a certain Mac os depending on what hardwares in the Mac, but your saying with workarounds one can bypass that and install a newer Mac os? I've got my eye on a G4 tower... but the owners saying they don't know if it works has no hd... soo do I waste 60 bucks?
@@RememberThisTech The G4 is part of the power Mac range and that range is much older, it's from before Apple changed to using Intel and of course they have now changed again. The power Mac range can be made to function but they are rather limited and they use a lot of electricity . The second link below shows a channel where power Macs are often the subject of the videos.
The later Mac pro desktop computers are the ones which interest me the most, that is the 4,1 and the 5,1 and the first link below shows a channel which has useful information on the workarounds which I mentioned. The Apple Imacs are also of interest to me, but they are rather complicated to work with. www.youtube.com/@jensdbe/videos www.youtube.com/@brokenelectronics3665/videos
@@laurencejohnson4106 Oh wow tyvm! great stuff there! I'll take an in-depth look when I get a few moments ;) thanks again.
Interesting build of a Windows 98 retro PC, albeit with components that didn't even exist at the time ;-) But then I would have been better off using a Gotek floppy emulator instead of the 3.5 inch drive, which is what I have in all three of my retro PCs installed and they work great. 999 disks on a 2GB USB stick, that's a strong argument ;-) I hope you don't have too much software that reacts critically to such powerful hardware (for a Windows 98 computer).
Hi there, I appreciate that point on the new op hardware running 98. I guess the point was just to get the newest hardware to run 98 on :) I'm working on a new 98se build with more age appropriate hardware. It just takes time to get working pieces :) I have one of those gotech devices but was too slow to figure it out. lol :( Thanks for watching hing and commenting. I appreciate it.
you could try a radeon x850 xt platinum edition for the gpu as thats the most powerful radeon pcie gpu for win98 drivers. it even has better driver support than the 5000 and 6000 series geforce cards. And a core 2 duo E8600 has the best single thread performance of that socket since win98 doesnt support more than 1 core. you know about the 2gb ram patch too. sound card is good considering the chipset, but you get better dos compatibility with an aureal vortex
Hi there! All great info tyvm! I'll have to see what new parts I can gather. I think I'll go for a more compatible build next round. Thanks for watching I appreciate it!
I'm amazed the PCI-E version of that card was actually functional in 98. You should test some DOS games like The Elder Scrolls: Arena, or Raptor: Call of the Shadows.
Hi there! I used to have the elder scrolls arena I played it a long time. I lost the disk though :( might be able to download a copy from Gog or something. Thanks!
I would love to build one! Thank you for the video.
@kickstart118 Tyvm! Let me know if you build one and how it goes!
I run ME on a Pentium 4 with a Radeon 9550 & Soundblaster Audigy for all of my 16bit retro needs. Things solid, ME gets such a bad rap for being unreliable, but with more modern hardware its absolutely flawless, modern PSU's that dont spike
Hi there! That's a nice setup you've got there! Now you've got me thinking hrrmm could a Windows ME build be in my future :) What's you're P4 clocked at? Also, what mobo are you using? Thanks for commenting and watching. I appreciate it!
I used to copy the whole 98 installer on to a separate partition on my drive and install it from there so I didn’t have to put the cd back in every time I wanted to install a driver
Hi and welcome! Yup, I did that as well back in the day. Oh, the fun of Windows 98 :) Thanks for watching!
@@RememberThisTech i actually loved windows 98 I would still run it if it supported all the new hardware I can’t even get it to run on a Virtual Machine anymore
@@jefferybills5224 Yup! I've tried to get it to setup on vms but it's tricky. That's kind of the reason I did this hardware build. Plus I wanted to see if it could run somewhat on newsih hardware.
All these smart UA-camrs should make a newer windows with the ui the same as 98se
@@jefferybills5224 now that would be something to see! :)
Another drive option would be an IDE to SATA adapter connected to a SATA to mSATA adapter board. There are plenty of small size mSATA drives out there. I have done this a bunch of times in old 98 systems as well as in old thin clients.
I used to have some of those adapters back in the day. I think I'll need to grab another one! Thanks again!
@@RememberThisTech happy to share my learnings when I can.
10:29 only if your 60G partition were formatted FAT32 instead of FAT16, you would avoided some hassle.
Just to be on the safe side, make your boot partition less than 32G for FAT32 under Win98. One never know how a particular chipset/BIOS may (mis)behave.
Core line of CPUs were based on P3 if I remembrt correctly so you have there 4 pentium3 CPUs even if only one is used.
The easiest way to backup/restore a Win9x or dos installation is, for me, archiving the content of C drive (and restore it when necesary) with any program you see fit (zip, arj, ace, rar, all the dos versions).
Nice setup, I also tried Win98 on modern hardware and PCIe devices worked very well without issues, provided that there are drivers for them.
Hi and welcome! You're correct. I mist certainly made a few mistakes with this build :( I don't think I've built 98 in 30 years, hah! Perhaps I should have done a bit more research, I guess it helps me to relearn by doing this as well. I do seem to recall that the core2 was based on p3. Intell failure with the space heater p4 made them take a look back at the more efficient p3 architecture and bam! Thanks for the tips, comments, and watching. I appreciate it :)
I feel uncomfortable not seeing the I/O Shield lol anyway... I love this kind of videos with Windows 95/98 and XP..... Greetings from El Salvador in Central America
Hi, and welcome to the channel! Tough sometimes to get mobo io shields on old boards from online :( I hope I can get an xp build soon. The older socket 462 mobo I was working with has issues. Replaced a few bulging caps, but still issues :( I won't let it stop me. I'll still make an xp video !! Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@RememberThisTech Thanks to UA-cam for show me one of your videos on the recommended list, i really like your content and i will be seeing all your videos, they are really entertaining.
@@RicardoGutierrez-xh1kn that's awesome! Tyvm! :)
Love watching videos about building retro PC.
I also have a Win98 retro PC also with more modern specs:
Intel Celeron 420 @ 1.6Ghz
Asus P5PE-VM
ATI Radeon X800 Pro
Creative Soundblaster Live
2x256mb DDR1 400
1x80GB IDE Drive
1x IDE DVDRW
1x1.44MB drive
Deepcool Smarter
Deepcool DE500 PSU
Hi and welcome to the channel! Very nice setup you have there! I've an Ati 800xl I've cleaned and re-thermal pasted That I'm hoping to use in another 98 or ME retro build soon! Thanks for watching and commenting I appreciate it :)
Cool build. I'm doing a slot 1 P3 win95 build now. Most all my games I have won't run in 98 . And none of the doss games will work in 98.
Hey there! Ahh a 1ghz p3 windows 95 build super! So even if you force run then under dos mode they still won't run under 98?
Since your 8800 GTS is >512MB, did you try the Rlowe patch to reduce thevram to 256MB which 98SE seems to have trouble with anything above?
I have gotten the Geforce 7800GTX 256MB to work, but have not tried the 8800GTS. I have the 320MB version, so maybe I should try that.
Hi and welcome! Oh, I didn't try that! Thanks for the tip. I'm sure I'm going to try it now :) My 8800 gts used smoke tons of games. Would be nice to get it to work. Thanks again for watching and commenting. I appreciate it :)
Sweet! I'm going to build a Bridge machine with an Intel AX440LX board and a Pentium II 300 MHz processor. I'll probably need to get Win98 installed because I want to use those USB ports for transferring files.
Hi, welcome to the channel! That 440lx mobo brings back memories, hah! Make sure to use the USB support patch. Good luck and have fun! Thanks for watching.
I know this may sound random 😆 but can you play MIDI files with using the sound master live? Because I know the sound blaster 16 emulation is not going to work.
Hi and welcome to the channel! If I recall I was able to play midi files. It's been some time though... I read that one should use the WDM drivers not the VxD ones in case though. Could be mistaken. I know I had to force the drivers manually and tried a couple times. Windows 98 is a pita at times for sure and this build reminded me how difficult the OS can be ;( Thanks for watching and commenting I appreciate it :)
@@RememberThisTech well thank you. I'm glad I stumbled on your video. I did Google that brand of motherboard and they look a little different compared to yours but I think it would still work. Like for example, your IDE port is red when the other ones are green 😆 think they may be a little different revisions but as long as they are both the same chipset which they are, it should work fine as I am thinking. Also, I have dealt with Windows 98 when old hardware newish hardware and it is a pita 😆
@alexmccullough8704 I researched that board so I could get the newest/one with legacy driver support and some modern things like Sata, etc. BUT omg, it was still an ordeal. One thing I'd do over is use a Nvidia 5500 or 5700 series video card, perhaps. But that same mobo I also used in an xp build. There was a website with all the mobos with 95/98 drivers, but researching and finding a working one from that list was tough. People wanted a lot of money for older working legacy stuff.. Thanks again, and stay tuned. I have a few more videos coming up with older legacy stuff soon!
@@The10021k-guy I used this Mobo GIGABYTE GA-G31MX-S2 LGA775 There's a few revs Like you said. Got it for a steal price of $35 bucks!
@@RememberThisTech thank you. I am looking forward to seeing more retro hardware videos. So do you think the other revisions of the board would still work? It probably will be a while until I build a modern-ish machine to install 98 on. I will also keep an eye on those exact Nvidia cards. I know it's pretty hard to find hardware because people do charge an awful lot of money 😆 😫
hi
i have several of those geforce 6200 asus graphics cards. they seem to be vary uncommon because nvidia later produced the turbocache versions more and were pretty awfully slow at time. the one you have is more akin to lower clocked geforce 6600 and i think used the same silicon die too making them rare now.
Hi, oh wow that’s good info Ty. I’ve got an fx5500 I’m itching to try soon. Thanks for watching :)
@@RememberThisTech I'd expect the FX5500 to definitely perform worse than your 6200, but would be interested to see the outcome! :)
@erroneoushyphen More support perhaps too for the 5500 fx ish series cards too. We shall see!.
@@RememberThisTechoh yeh, it'd certainly be more compatible with the bulk of win 9x era games
Nice video enjoyed it!
Hi and welcome to the channel! Thanks I appreciate it!
This is kinda like MattKC’s video, but without the comedy and background music.
Hey there and welcome! MattKc has great content. I like his channel, and Dawid does tech stuff, too. I've been slowly trying to work on my production quality hopefully I'll get close to their level kne day :) maybe I'll add a touch of my own sarcastic humor into future productions, or maybe I shouldn't? Thoughts? Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate it.
@@RememberThisTech A touch of comedy definitely wouldn’t hurt! I just subbed because your channel looks pretty nice, looking forward to what you make next!
@TheFinnishTechie tyvm I appreciate it!! I've got a bunch of stuff coming up. Hopefully, some of its good lol :)
Always enjoy your videos.
Hi! Ty so much I appreciate it! 😀
Could you possibly go into a little more detail on how you "force" installed those Nvidia 6200 drivers? I have never heard of that before!
Hi, and welcome to the channel! I'll go back through and see if I can get a bit more detailed answer for you on that. Basically, you would download the Nvidia 6200le drivers and extract them into a folder. Open device manager, right-click on the video card, select properties update driver. You will need to specify where the drivers are you extracted.. Windows 98se isn't intuitive, lol.. then you can roll the dice and see if it's picks ups the driver automatically, but 9 times out of ten, you will have to manually select the inf file and see if it takes it.. I might try and create a short reel on how to do this. Just need the time :( If your super lucky you can find a 98se nvidia drivers install packaged on a retro pc site.. but be careful as theres tons of trojans and viruses out there..Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate it :)
i am actually running my beast W98 computer C2D 6400, AGP Radeon X850 PRO, 1GB RAM on Asrock 775i65G rev2.03. 3DMark 2001 result near 24k score. DId u tried dual core CPU instead C2Q? I think u can do much better result with CPU where is higher power for one core or you can try disable cores in bios but not sure if is possible with LGA775 cpus 🤔 Hmm i am surprised you installed PCI express under W98 i think i need try same thing 👀
Hi, and welcome to the channel! You've got a nice setup there!! I had a radeon 800xl back in the day with an actic cooling aftermarket cooler on it. Nope, I haven't tried a dual core or a high singer core setup yet, but I've got something planned for the near future!! Yeah, pcie graphics worked. It wasn't easy, and a lot of mobos and graphics cards probably won't work, but hey, it's worth trying :) Let me know how yours works out. Thanks for commenting and watching. I appreciate it :)
Think of all those retro games you can play!
i built one of these last year, i used an Asus board socket 754 with an AMD Athlon 64 and an ATI 9700 Pro
Nice setup! I just got my hands on a 9700 Pro card. That cards a solid card from back in the day! It stomped NVidias offerings at the time.
Nice build i did a 98 machine with a new old stock asrock motherboard and a 3.0 ghz pentium 4 the gpu is an agp ti 4200 i copied a build phils computer lab done a while ago ,it is amazing that windows 98 runs on some core2duo and quads they were and still are good cpu,s.
Hi and welcome to the channel! Thanks I appreciate it! Nice build! A p4 3 ghz is strong for that build plus you can heat your house with it lol j/k. Phil's computer lab is a good channel! Thanks for watching and commenting ;)
Nice vid! Went down this route a few years back. My ultimate win 98 pc has a athlon xp 3200+ on a msi K7N2 Delta-L with 512mb PC3200 DDR ram and a asus radeon 9800 xt, Chaintech nvidia fx 5950 ultra and a asus geforce4 ti 4600... i couldn't pick 😅and a sound blaster audigy 2 zs. Ooh use some brake cleaner to get away the old thermal paste.
Hi and welcome! Ty! That xp cpu was the fastest in that line if I remember right. Nice setup. In hindsight, maybe I should have gone with an athlon build. Would have had more driver support, perhaps. Shrug. Thanks for watching and commenting 🙂
@@RememberThisTech The xp cpu is pretty much overkill. If you do go for a athlon in the future get a motherboard with the nforce 2 ultra 400 chipset for best results. Also for most games to work geforce 4 or 5 will be better then 6 for compatibility which was a thing back then. And 512mb ram max for dos to work next to a hdd thats not too big.
@MeALot ahh great info thanks! I'll need a vacation after wrestling with this latest 98 build before I try and tackle another lol. Getting my hands on working 4 series nvidia cards will take some research :)
@@RememberThisTech I was lucky to buy everything during the start of corona when no one was buying stuff and sellers were kinda desperate lol Thats why i ended up with several gpus. The fx is kinda bad but i like making fun of it, the radeon 9800 pro is nearly as good as the xt and still sometimes pretty cheap. I have seen the 9800 xt go for 4 times what i paid for it right now. Geforce 4 ti 4200 and 4400 are not that much less from the 4600 in performance but are a lot cheaper.
@@mealot7613 Ahh makes sense! You got them at the right time. Nice!
just curious if you know if a dell windows 98 se will work on non dell windows 98 se computers,, my friend says he will give me a brand new package that has the windows 98 se disk and windows 98 floppy and coa book that says dell on it ,, thanks for the link i found my drivers
I guess you could try it and see. You can also download windows 98 se ISO from various sites. Make sure to scan them with AV of course.
Wew 13$ for 120 gb is pretty good, even if it's a basic dram less ssd my cs900 has been working fine for about 4 - 5 years now i think ? About 11.6 TB writes too it & still 90% health left so plenty too go.
Also got a 240 gb cs900 which I've put too use now in a laptop after getting a 1 tb m.2 drive for games instead.
Heh I figured windows 98 wouldn't mind a cheap ssd lol. You are getting some good life out of yours! I picked up a 2 tb for video editing and 1 tb nvme im going to use for boot.. got a 2tb reg ssd 980 samsung for games etc. Goto rearange setup.. depends on what or if i change my main rig to a new cpu and board.. decisions decisions.
You can pull the drive an create an image quicker with Macrium Reflect (free) using a laptop or another system using a USB to PATA/SATA adapter. That’s how I image the drives in all by builds.
Hi and welcome! I like that idea a lot! I've used Macrium before and like it. idk why I've never done that before for 98 retro backups. Excellent! Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate it 😀
Even you went so far managing to install somehow some drivers, you still can have problems with games. Like NFS4 that do not recognizes new video cards and uses shit standard vga setup with awful graphics. But if you use proper video card from its era you'll have the game at full and surprising beautiful graphics.
It is nice for having fun installing it and making a yt video on it, but I will not go this way for a win 98 machine.
I used more modern parts and most games worked. That was the point. If I want I can buy a card from that Era. But Most cards I realy wanted like the voodoo 3000 or banshee I tried to get were too expensive or non functional after the fact so i used what I had that worked. Once I get the voodoo 3000 working I'll be all set. Thanks
@@RememberThisTech Yeah, most games. But I do not play "most games" game. I play some particular games. And if they do not work 100% it is not good.
@@bestopinion9257 Vey true. Good point.
@@bestopinion9257 i got 98% games working including old dx titles like turok & need for speed etc... to work with geforce 6 under win98 using some game patches and opengl to directx wrappers since these series of gpu's are very fast and strong with the opengl renderer. 8 bit palleted textures are useless and barely many games supported it. i got table fog and other legacy 3d rendering features working with the directx wrapper so i have no need to get a rare or expensive graphics card for an win9x build. although i still perfer the ATi radeon side of things with these types of builds because of the less driver and game support hassle, things just work outside the box with out the need of 3d renderer wrappers.
also if you want to play 3dfx glide games on windows 98, use zack's opengl to glide wrapper as that works with pretty much every gpu that support opengl 1.3 or higher or use nglide which requires an directx 9 video card.
i admit that driver support for the later nvidia cards suck and perfer to just stick to anything geforce fx or older for the win9x platform but if you're using windows NT, you have unlimited options at your disposal.
@@explorer9049 Patches often do not solve the problem entirely. And if you want a retro rig, make it compatible in the first place. You do not need to be 10x faster than you need and 95% compatible and to have to deal with patches.
If you want a Formula 3 car, make a Formula 3 car. It is cheaper and less work. Do not make and F1 car and modify it to match the regulations for Formula 3.
This is how I see this retro building rigs thing.
The ultimate win98 machine id build myself would probably be something like a socket 754 motherboard with agp, running a Athlon x64 for that socket or maybe the mobile Athlon x64 4000+ based on the newark architecture which is essentially the san diego core.
512 mb ram probably as well.
As for gpu I'd probably go for something like a passive Nvidia 6000 series card, or the ati x1650 maybe a agp 6600 gt or gs.
I do have a Audigy zs 2 laying around somewhere as well & a voodoo 1 4 mb
(Though I'd personally want a voodoo 3 pci rather then the voodoo 1 for the games I'd like too run on there.)
I like your thought process on your 98 build and your choices of parts! I'd have preferred a 3000 voodoo or a banshee 16 meg even. I had a 6 meg voodoo 1 rush and a banshee, but alas, I sold them...plus they are expensive nowadays
@@RememberThisTech Yep, at least you can emulate the voodoo cards kind of via nglide on a modern pc & get game compatibility setup via dgvoodoo & dgvoodoo2 for some games as well.
Maaan, 128MB of GPU memory is the limit for W98/W98SE.. btw with memory patch you can go up to 2 gigs of ram and with LBA48bit patch you can easily use 500GB hdd
Hi and welcome to the channel! Good tips thanks! The 6200 Graphics card I had only has 128 mb of mem. I'm familiar with the mem patch upgrade but I didn't have 2gb of memory for the system :( I wasn't aware of the HD Patch good info tyvm! Thanks for watching and commenting I really appreciate it ;)
@@RememberThisTech No, windows will recognize more than 128. My 256 videocard has no problems, and 98 will run 512, but can and does flake on some cards at 512. Windows 98 will support up to 3.5gb of memory.
@@R1BLACKRAVEN good info thanks :)
Radeon cards beyond the x850 don’t have drivers under 9x. The same is true for NVidia cards after the 8xxx series.
Good tip thanks!!
Does that revision of board have the Atheros AR-8131 lan chip? If so what driver did you use? There does not appear to be a Win9x driver for it....Or did you use a patch that allows the 2K/XP driver install?
Hi and welcome to the channel! Here's the link to the Board I used www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-G31MX-S2-rev-1x#ov Its got good 98se driver support, part of the reason I chose to use it. I believe it uses the Realtek 8139 Lan chip. I used some patches from Other sites I can't 100% remember but might have used mem patch and others from Phils Computer lab and and archive. Thanks for watching and commenting I appreciate it :)
@@RememberThisTech Why LAN? Bios > itegrated periferials > LAN = disabled, Integrated graphics = disabled, integrated sound card = disabled. If is possible.
@marcelmojzis4374 Well, when installing everything at the beginning, your suggestions are most likely the best, and one should disable those. Thanks for the input, and thanks for commenting and watching:)
For the Audigy sound card you should have used Vxd drivers
Hi there! Ahh ok tyvm that's a good tip :)
@@RememberThisTech if you look on Phil’s Computer Lab he covers this topic
@Roadkill7878 ahh cool ty! I've seen a few of Phil's videos, he's got a great channel!
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Hi, and welcome to the channel! Tyvm! Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate it :)
The Geforce 6800 works great on Windows 98.
Too bad that DOS on 9X doesn't like PCI Express.
Hi! Yep, i just couldn't justify some of the prices the 6800 was going for where I'm at :( So I settled for the anemic 6200, lol. Thanks for commenting.
@@RememberThisTech No problem and very good video.
BTW it would be cool if you do a follow up testing a few more games like unreal tournament, quake and doom. Also, throw some obvious DOS games on the mix, just for teh LULZ.
@@jangelelcangry Thanks! Great idea! Might be a bit before I do that though because I've got a ton of new video projects in the works ahead of it ;) Thanks for watching!
@@RememberThisTech No problem. Work on what you must do first.
Lol my first pc was back in 2003. I had a pentium 4 with 128 mb ram.
Also it was only showing 112 mb ram for me because it using some of the ram as gpu memory. Another thing my old school mobo had a 64 mb gpu built in. Then after 3 years I was finally able to hook it to a nvidia card. The fx 5200.
Mind you I was in a third world country too. But the gpu cost like less than 30$ back in the day brand new. Lasted 2 years. 😂
Hi and welcome to the channel! Wow p4 brings back memories:) Fx 5200 was an ok card for its time. Way to make your pc stretch! Thanks for watching and commenting 🙂
@@RememberThisTech no probs. Great video. Finally had the time tonight to watch the whole thing. While I was preparing to do another build.
@@RememberThisTech Another note: I still got a unopene windows 95 disk laying somewhere.
@@afufu-b5k wait what? You've got an unopened 95 disc?? Sweeeeat!! Save it or sell it ?
@@afufu-b5k awesome ty for watching through again! What are you building?
hello, have you tested to see if it works in windows 98 dual monitor setup and if so can you tell me please
Hi, and welcome to the channel. I did test it with dual monitors before, and it worked well. From what I read, Windows 98 se can support up to 9 monitors. But that depends on your graphics cards and support, of course, lol. Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate it :)
If you ever try a multiboot system with Windows 2000 and you have petitions over 137gb activate lba if not you have to reinstall all =/ blue screen of death is a nightmare .__.
Hey there! Good info ty! I used to use win 2k for my daily driver but haven't used it for decades! As far as gaming I stick with 98 se and xp as far as retro rigs.
@@RememberThisTechI use my system for 98se 2000 XP and vista with 2gb memory 98 sometimes acts strange even with the memory patch
on 98 and 2000 I play games with my voodoo 5500 PCI and on XP and vista I do play games on a 3850 AGP 1 system for all
WILL A AGP8X card will work in an AGP4X slot,, mine has a agp 4x slot ,iam looking to buy a nvida 8x 256mb video card will it work in my pc or do i need to buy a lower grahic video card, and where did you download the universal drivers for windows 98 se usb ports ,, i want to make sure mine work ,, what pci sound card do you recommend for windows 98 se and might try dos on windows 98,, , thanks
Supposedly All NVIDIA Geforce and Quadro GPU's which support AGP 8x mode are downwards compatible with AGP 4x motherboards. I'll try to find the USB drive link for you. I'd go with sound blaster 16 or audigy zs card.
I know Phil's computer lab website had 98 se usb 2.0 driver for download
I'm going to guess that you are a Scorpio.
My limits on Win98 (SE):
- 512MB RAM (I think you can put 2GB, but you need to edit system.ini after 1st reboot and limit to max 768MB)
- GF6200, 256MB GPU (mentioned patch is for 512MB, but I did not get it).
- For CPU, apparently network stack will reduce it. As I remember, a Core2Duo 1.8MHz already tripped it. I read some timing measurement overflow and crashes (i.e.: it can go higher if NO network is used).
Hi and welcome to the channel! Great info there tyvm! Yeah From what I read too 2 gb needs a workaround patch after the os is installed then add the other gig. I think it might be easier using an era appropriate setup but good luck getting parts all in working order after 30+ years ;) Thanks for watching and commenting I appreciate it.
you didnt not get it working right. If it was working properly then the windows would have a light blue and dark blue shading. when its only blue it means your drivers are not working.
You mean in the windows 98 screens? Hrm, well if that's so I'll need to go back and do some tweaks and rebuild the system to make sure then. Thanks!
dont buy antec coolers i bought one and got the wrong bracket🤦♂
Hi there! Yep I bought one and learned my lesson too :( Thanks for watching and commenting :)
no I/O shield for the motherboard
Never came with one from the vendor I got the mobo off of on ebay :(
irrelevant and allow more airflow over vrm's now
Tru fact windows 98 supports 512mb cause that is smoothest thing in 1998/1999
Cool!
Maybe is better with some distro of linux like lubuntu or similar.
Hi, welcome. I'm sure this setup could be on Linux, maybe xp or Windows 7, even. But this was a Windows 98 build ;) Perhaps I may do a Linux build in the future!
WTF is with that cooler !!!
hi! I assume your referring to the bent/broken Antec a50 amazon sent me?
Pre-watch prediction: Anything DOS related will fail miserably. So no doom for you.
Doom95 would likely work perfectly! If I remember correctly, it came with 'The Ultimate Doom'. But yes you're right in that that's the Windows native port and not the DOS version, I imagine DOS wouldn't like the PCI-Ex slot.
😒👍 775
HI! Yep 775. I'll revisit win98 with a more era appropriate build sometime soon!
Win 98 was horrible os. I had it running on my duron 800mhz machine back in the day for less than a year, switched to XP fast as I managed to get a press version of it through a friend before it was even released. That was first good windows os.
Hi! Yeah once xp came out, I agree I jumped on that OS. It was so awesome compared to 98. Thanks for watching and commenting I appreciate it
Windows Xp was much better than Windows 98 but many of the old games from 96-2000 did not function anymore on the newer Xp.
windows98 不支持多核心cpu!
我知道它不支持多核，但通过使用此主板，它具有 98 SE 的驱动程序，我可以使用 pcie 显卡。另外这个CPU有不错的查看指令等。另外我可以在Xp和vista中使用这个主板和CPU
98 is gone, move on
never... long live retro gaming platform!
XP too, never die!
No
Then why are you here? It’s a windows 98 video.
Everybody says that the limit for Windows 98 is 512 or 1GB of RAM, 6000 series GeForce and a lower clocked CPU. I have a post on Vogons foruns about my personal "Ultimate Windows 98 Gaming PC" with a Core 2 Duo E8600 @ 4.00GHz, ASUS P5G41T-M LX V2, GeForce 7900GTX, 4GB DDR3 RAM, 120GB SATA SSD (in IDE mode) and C-Media CMI8738 sound card. Also did some benchmarks with the E8600 @ 4.86GHz on a ASUS Maximus II Formula motherboardwith crazy results, search for "windows 98 vogons baguete" on google.
Hi, and welcome to the channel! Wow, you have a beast of a 98 setup for sure! Must have had to patched to use the 4gb ram, I believed even with the patch that 98se could only see and use 2gb. I had an E8400 back in the day, and that cpu was super strong. Your 7900GTX must be able to play any title of that erra, totally maxed, sweet! I'll check out your post tyvm for the info! Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate it :)
@@RememberThisTech well, just checked the thread and other user just broke my record 😅😅
Oh no, that kinda sucks sorry :( Time to retake your crown? Guess you better start liquid nitrogen cooling that rig! :)