Broken Bones and Being Vegan: Should You Worry? | Dr. Neal Barnard Live Q&A
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2023
- Many fear that eating a plant-based diet without dairy will lead to weaker bones and an increased risk of fractures. But evidence shows those concerns to be largely unfounded.
An analysis of thousands of people around the world showed that eliminating milk, cheese, and dairy from the diet is actually more protective for bone health in many instances.
Dr. Neal Barnard reviews the findings of the analysis with "The Weight Loss Champion" Chuck Carroll on The Exam Room LIVE. He has what you need to know about maintaining strong bones and getting enough calcium in a dairy-free diet.
Other Topics Discussed
- Is cottage cheese better for bones than regular milk?
- Does eating salt weaken bones?
- Calcium carbonate in almond milk
- Vegan alternatives to kefir
- Is Greek yogurt healthy?
- Can calcium supplements cause gallstones?
- Is plant-based butter healthier than regular butter?
- Plant-based probiotics
- Is raw dairy a healthier option?
- Plus more!
Have a question? Post it in the comments or chat and we’ll answer as many as possible during the live broadcast.
This episode of The Exam Room™ Podcast is sponsored by The Gregory J. Reiter Memorial Fund, which supports organizations like the Physicians Committee that carry on Greg’s passion and love for animals through rescue efforts, veganism, and wildlife conservation.
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WFPB for about 13 years. 73 years old. I walk and hike everyday, taken a few really hard falls on concrete, and rocks. Never had a broken bone.
72 and no broken bones. I never liked the taste of milk so I didn't drink it when was young..or old! Thank you for your channel!❤
Fell in my apt Last year on concrete floors, no broken bones; chiropractor fixed me right up
I'm glad you didn't break bones. Staying active improves resilience but also does WFPB. 😄
Wow, congrats for joining in this path.
I did May 1, 2005 and so far no turning back because a month following Gen.1:29 I ditched all my meds, asthma inhaler, nebulizer. Now 76 and 18 yrs healthier than when I was sickly growing up.
@@joywhitley3141 me too. When mom stopped breastfeeding me at 2 years, she has to look for me or chase me to drink that yucky cows milk I hated.
I am 62 yrs old. Have been vegetarian since age 8 and vegan off and on throughout the years and now am vegan for 10 yrs. Never liked milk so I never drank it. Ate cheese sparingly. I have never had a broken bone or fracture even with a very busy life. Use to dirt bike, trail ride, race walk, hike, climb, lift weights, etc. Only recently did I fracture 3 ribs but they healed in 2 months. Being vegetarian/ vegan has made me stronger. Dont buy into the fear that the dairy industry and their lobbyist spread.
You two are a great duo for health topics. Both of you compliment each other and are never boring. Great questions and answers. Thank you for all you do.
Wow, I have made all the mistakes that Dr. B has mentioned - raw milk danger, butter intake, all cheeses, before going WFPB. THANK YOU Chuck and Dr. B for this information!!!
I broke my arm as a 3 or 4 year old when my bones were still made of biscuits 👧🏽✨️ Hopefully my current non dairy life is protecting me from future fractures 🦴💥
I've been wfpb for 5 years, and have a diagnosis pf osteoporosis and osteopenia. Drinking 1- 8 oz glass of soy milk a day, for the calcium, along with eating greens everyday. I take no calcium supplements, but do take Vitamin D3 and B12. I walk, backpack, hike, and do weights, plus gardening. I am 66 years old, and have had no bone fractures. I try to give my bones "a reason to live," as Dr. Bernard says. Anything else I can do? And by the way, I love this show, and the sage wisdom all participants give here.
I am 56 and diagnosed with osteopenia and I would love an answer to your question. I was WFPB for about 16 months when I was diagnosed with osteopenia and I am hoping to stop it before it turns into osteoporosis. I do walk and weight train five days a week but just not sure if I should be doing something else. 😀
My advice- Eat 100 grams of whole dry roasted soybeans and at least a 300 grams of raw leafy greens, a few large kiwi fruits and get enough sunlight everyday. That really makes a difference over time.
Vitamin K2 supposedly helps shuttle calcium into the bones. It can also be found in foods such as natto.
@Daffidella why did you go for the Greek yogurt? What's wrong with the American yogurt?
@Daffidella Oh ok. The Dutch cheese has 3 X protein than any other European cheese if you have Dutch cheese around. I believe the Greek cows eat grass and you eat their cheese. So where do the protein come from cuz the Greek cows didn't eat protein. They ate grass.
Great video as always , thank you guys for all you do and all the people you’ve helped ❤
Very informative as always Chuck 😊
Just love this awesome doctor ❤. Very program with him is a gem 👍 Thank you 🙏
I loved this! I'm in the thick of PMS and this really lighted my energy.
Very helpful info!
Wish I’d found this earlier. I just went 100% whole food plant diet about 4 weeks ago but broke a bone 10 days in. I wasn’t confident in my new knowledge so reintroduced dairy.
I’m pretty sure you’ve told us before but I need to hear it again. Where would I find the original research that is the basis for your programs? Appreciate the information. Love the show. So helpful in making food choices.
I am sitting here with a broken bone in my foot, so I was very interested in this topic...
I hope you get well soon!
Good informations. Dairy products certainly contribute to developing weaker bones and osteoporosis.
Hi from South Africa
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A Healthy Hello to everyone! Honestly, cheese & ice cream are the least foods I miss since going cold turkey WFPB Vegan 2 years ago! I love myself and the foods that love me back🤩🤩🤩
Same here. I don’t crave or miss any of those foods and I was a big lasagna fan with all the cheese that goes in that.
As Dr. Neil Barnard often mentions, dairy cravings are due to the opioids naturally present in milk for babies to keep drinking.
Vegetarian here and giving up eggs and Greek yoghurt is the most challenging for me. Always loved the taste of soft boiled eggs and Greek yoghurt has that unique taste that goes well with so many foods like potatoes, bread, rice etc. My goal is to be vegan but with the current inflation it's simply another big challenge.
@@rebelraccoon9018 have you tried seeds/nuts butter (e.g. peanut, almond, pumpkin seeds)? They have similar fat content, taste better and inflation may have not affected their price as much, since they are not fresh products like yogurt/eggs...
Plants are much cheaper than meat and dairy!
Invited to your zoom with Sri Lanka on a pure plant medicine forum on medicinal vegetarian diet with which Sri Lankans are blessed ! Indeed!
Currently residing in Sri Lanka to heal from it all, and indeed eating Gotukola ( in the West it comes in a pill ) salad mixed with scraped coconut or just onions and jalapeño mixed with lime juice! Super delish and healthy!! Can’t wait to get the porridge done in the mornings and eat with jaggery!
Beets cut very fine in a curried sauce .
Never eaten so many medicinal veggies !
Can you please do a podcast on osteoporosis and the pros and cons of the medications prescribed to treat? Thank you!
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cows get calcium from grass leaves. Let's eat grass leaves instead! Cut out the middleman. Proud 1st commenter! Ha I got here first lol. Feed the youtube algorithm.
Yes! Once you start eating grass leaves, you automatically get three stomachs to get the calcium from grass leaves... 🤣
we have something called a blender - it is like an external stomach. You can't say you haven't eaten grass leaves before?@@polibm6510
@@polibm6510Lol😂
Pravi ljudi! 🎉❤
Thank you for another very informative podcast. I will cut out all the dairy no matter how hard it is. I am 69 & hope it is not too late.
I am curious if you have plans to come to Oklahoma (meat all day, every day, I'm afraid) or Utah, anytime within the next year.
Dr. Please comment on the mineral Boron and will it help with bone on bone knees thanks Eric A
Organic kefir is absolutely delicious and helps me with my gut health going through chemo. 🙂
I used ginger in food and made ginger tea while getting chemo stopped gastric pain, nausea.
I've recently added kefir to my diet. Listen to Zoe for their (positive) take on fermented dairy. Good luck with your recovery!
@@sectionalsofa Excellent! And, thank you so much! 🙂
@@daw7773 Yup, I drink ginger tea!
Why do you consume dairy while fighting against cancer if dairy is causing cancer?
Amazing🎉 thank you Chuck. How can I maintain/gain weight on a Plant based diet? BMI 19 (man)?
Look up vegan bodybuilders!
I would like to read the study, please post a link, or at least identify it, thanks.
Is he mixing up prebiotics with probiotics? I thought prebiotics was food for the microbiome, like fibre 🤔
Yes, he did. Shame.
@@andreawisner7358 This shows how misinformed Dr Bernard is on this subject. I'm surprised Chuck didn't correct him, having had Dr. Bulseiwicz (gastroenterologist) as a guest so many time.
Is WPBD helpful for Lymphadema swelling?
It can help keeping it under control. In general it is beneficial as it reduces inflammation
Hi I have a soy milk making machine, it uses dry soy beans and water which after 15 min of heating, it is strained and makes awesome soy milk. My question is, there is soy pulp leftover, if I take 1/2 cup of this pulp and let’s say add it to my oatmeal in the morning, would that count towards reducing menopausal symptoms like hot flashes?
What you need is phytoestrogen from plants - it knocked my mother's hot flashes out permanently in about 1 week 1/2. It was awhile back but it was Solaray's Phytoestrogen with mexican yam, black cohosh, dong quai & non-GMO soy. She tripled the dosage recommended & only took it for a month.
How do you buy mature Soya beans and have half a cup a day? As part of reducing hot flashes in menopause? I live in europe.
Check the frozen foods section in the supermarket.
He contradicts the stuff we learn via this chsnnel of Dr B
For. my money, I'm going with Dr. Bulseiwicz in all matters concerning the microbiome.
I would like to know if the body reacts to fasting and calorie-restriction with rebound weight gain. I basically eat a high carb low fat diet and gained a lot of weight. I guess I am eating a lot but only as long as I am hungry.
So my question is:
Do you gain weight on a favorable diet after calories restriction?
Go to proper human diet with healthy natural animal fats but not from supplements. High fat low carbs and you will forget about weight gain and be thriving and healthy! All dairy from supermarket are poison!! Only fresh, live milk and fermented dairy is a key to our health!!
Try eating wet starches instead of dry starches: for example Have more potatoes than bread, have more corn than oats. It’s all high-carb, all McDougall-approved, and satiating (and healthy!) but wet starches are lower in calorie density.
Leave out all oils - try it for 3 weeks and you’ll effortlessly loose stubborn weight.
You hold on to water on a high carb diet, so not all “too much weight” is necessarily fat but also stored water.
Just because something’s low in calories, doesn’t mean you can eat all you want (quote by Tim Kaufman who lost like 200lbs on a vegan diet.) never binge-eat on anything no matter the calorie density.
Those tips helped me a lot, maybe they’re helpful to you, too!
So, is this now your personal piece of advice or is this backed by anything? Resources?
@@mopedtobias9049 Jeez, it’s backed by science.
Check out Dr. Doug Lisle, Dr. John McDougall, Tim Kaufman and Chef AJ who’s got guests (just like the Exam Room) from the science field every day.
And dipping some bread into my fat free soup...is this wet starch?
Is there a diet protocol for toenail fungus?
Eliminate sugar and all refined foods.
Didn't work for me. Toenail fungus is stubborn.
I'm not seeing a link to the dairy review article - please add to the show notes.
😂 Greek yogurt has a better reputation because you'd rather be in Greece than New Jersey! LOLOLOL I agree and I live in New Jersey!😂
Ditto!
How do you reverse bone loss with food?
With a WFPB diet Eat broccoli 🥦 quinoa apples bananas kale cucumbers 🥒 onions garlic 🧄 pepper 🌶️ tomatoes
You really need to supplement vitamin D.
I take a lot of supplements and eat lots of vegetables but if I'm honest with myself, the most important thing I could do for my bone loss is to work out for longer sessions with heavier weights several times a week. I don't even know if that could reverse bone loss but it could certainly stop its progression.
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Ever hear of BUTTERMILK? That's fermented milk. It's been around for DECADES!
Even though peanuts are a plant food, is peanut butter bad because of all the saturated fats?
Peanuts are allowed on the whole food-plant based diet but it is sometimes recommended that if one can't stop eating them, it might be best to avoid them. They are addictive to many people.
Go for the no-added salt and sugar version of peanut butter. But yes, it's healthy stuff, great for heart health. Probably because of the healthy (unsaturated) fats in there.
Youre not supposed to eat too many fats on a vegan diet because the vegan diet is devoid of DHA. Some can convert ala and epa into dha on a vegan diet IF omega 6 fats are minimized and one eats flax seeds and some other foods. Scientifically what the vegans don't like to mention is that studies show many cannot even make this conversion.
@@k.h.6991No, they're not healthy. Peanuts contain aflatoxins, which is mold from being stored in humid warehouses, even organic contains it. Eat enough and it'll make you dizzy and put sores in your mouth. Sunflower seed butter does not contain this and is MUCH better (until they find a way to GMO that too).
I've been wfpbno since 2013 following Daily Dozen.
I tripped on uneven sidewalk , hairline fracture of kneecap healed in 3 months and some days. I have osteoporosis. I take calcium 1200mg per day. I've added more hemp seeds.
I don't like mature soybeans but do like edamames. Can I use these to reduce hot flashes? If so, how many cups do I need to eat to equal a half cup of mature soybeans? Thanks.
Half a cup.
This permanently & completely knocked out my mother's hot flashes in about a weeik & 1/2. It was several years ago but I think the formula is still the same - Solaray's Phytoestrogen with mexican yam, black cohosh, dong quai & non-GMO soy. She tripled the dosage recommended & only took it for a month.
Thanks for the suggestion,@@planetofthevegans880 . I've used another brand for a couple of years with mixed results, but it doesn't contain wild yam.
Thanks@@k.h.6991
I think he confused "prebiotic" with "probiotic." Prebiotic is fiber that feeds the bacteria, not the bacteria itself. You lose credibility when you make mistakes. If you're not sure about your answers, read the questions in advance and prepare in advance.
Absolutely. I'm surprised Chuck didn't catch this and politely correct him. He's discussed this in depth with Dr Bulsiewicz on his show. I learned about this subject from those interviews.
Even the most renowned professionals make occasional mistakes. I'm sure he realised the error eventually.
Also, many people have such broken microbiomes that they should definitely consume fermented foods. However, no need for it to be fermented dairy. Go for kimchi, sauerkraut, water kefir, combucha. etc.
@@k.h.6991 Yes. Not only did he confuse the terms, he implied that fermented foods were unnecessary. I think Dr Bernard is a wonderful man and an esteemed doctor but I feel some of his advice is spotty in a number of areas.
I listen to this whole thing but still can't remember if calcium supplements were ever addressed. Anyone know?
Synthetic supplements can never duplicate the real thing - calcium from dark leafy greens!!!
How do you explain the high rates of osteoporosis in the Japanese and Chinese who don’t use dairy?
The answer about cheese and yogurt was a dodge.
Original Kefir came from Chechnya and the best cultures still come from there.
Has he read the book estrogen matters? Also, some ppl have hysterectomys in their 20s or 30s...you think no estrogen then, that is not what the science says. It helps with bones, heart, sex, and all aspects of aging.
Yes I’ve reviewed a lot of the studies myself as I don’t rely on other’s filters and the bal of evidence esp for women 50+ max 5-7 yrs is good. Safer and more effective in low dose patch. As estrogen can incr cortisol levels which may effect blood sugar and inflammation levels maybe ask your MD about checking these markers. Also be careful w/vit E as Estrogen incr prostaglandin synthesis and vit E decr it. Estrogen can effect platelet activity - some sources say incr and some say it reduces. An MD/endocrinologist is the best source for this info.
How are Japanese with fractures, considering they consume lots of sodium
Why would milk not be protective of fractures. We can all agree that calcium is important and milk is a good source of calcium, just like leafy greens are.
There’s no conclusive reason yet, but one hypothesis is the proteins in milk and dairy products. Proteins are broken down to their component amino acids in our digestive system. When we absorb that acidic nutrient our bodies neutralize it by releasing calcium from our bones. Leafy greens are alkaline and have much less protein per serving, so their calcium is absorbed without any need to release calcium from our bones.
Are people know what the dairymakers do with the babycalfs? CHEESE!!!
I'm a senior, having gone wpb for 2.5 yrs, I'm beginning to feel the mild effects of iron deficiency. It's pale under my bottom eyelids. Also some brain fog. I'm beginning to think I may have to either include some red meat in my diet or take a natural heme iron supplement at least for until those 2 symptoms are gone. Thoughts?
If I were you I'd get bloodwork first. If you are deficient in iron, supplementation is probably warranted. But you don't want to take iron indiscriminately because if your levels become too high that can cause other problems. By the way, legumes are good sources of iron (with vitamin c foods for absorption.) I'm 70 and was moving more and more towards being completely wfpb, but have recently added small amounts of yogurt/kefir, egg-whites and salmon as I feel that small amounts of added animal sourced protein is beneficial at my age. It is possible to consume too little protein, especially as a child or a senior, despite what some plant based docs say.
I had some brain fog. I make sure I have flaxseeds every morning and it went away.
You have to eat your greens and beans for the iron. Dr. Greger hàs a daily dozen food checklist app. Try to follow that to get all your nutrients. See if it makes you feel better. Blood work will tell you if you any nutrient deficiencies.
What are people supposed to do for healthy bones if they absolutely will not eat a well-balanced diet that includes meat and will not eat fish either?
Humans are frugivores