Siskel & Ebert Classics 3/1/91 - The Doors, My Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2024
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I think their Doors review is one of their 10 best.
"The Doors" was one of S&E's best arguments ever.
So they got into a heavy disagreement over "The Doors," then Siskel talked about the Doors concert on Laserdisc, then they continued arguing about the movie after that.
That was great.
I think Roger had negative feelings from “The Doors” because of his own battles with addiction. He uses the word “empathy” in his arguement. Tells you everything.
Good insight. I am sure there are other movies where a main character self-destructs with drugs or alcohol that Roger nevertheless liked. I also suspect if he had watched The Doors on a different day, or revisited it a few years later, he might have a different take. In any event, Val Kilmer was robbed. He should have gotten nominations from the Academy and the Golden Globes for this performance, which is at least as good as Gary Busey in the Buddy Holly Story or Joaquin Phoenix in Walk The Line. Actually, the only actor I can think of who did a better job recreating a music icon is Jamie Foxx in Ray, but Ray is not nearly as good a movie as The Doors was.
I had no idea, and I've been a fan of Ebert's for a long time! This brought me to read his article, was very moving. Thanks!
Siskel is 100% right about The Doors
No, they were both right. Some people take acid and have a good trip and a some have a bad trip. Siskel enjoyed the ride. Ebert had a bad trip. He said it was a brilliant film that he can’t recommend. I suggest you go read Ebert’s full review on his website.
Morrison an incredible paradox, but that's life for some people. I say watch it and take it in as you will. I am a Doors fan and have been for 50 plus years. As Jimbo said "the future is uncertain and the end is always near." And, "when the music is over turn out the lights." That's it. Except let's go get some tacos. Later.
*take it as it comes.
This is like Roger Ebert complaining that Titanic didn't have a happy ending. Why did the ship have to sink? LOL
I love Ebert, but I don't understand how he can not recommend a movie he calls "brilliant."
I sat thru the Doors movie when it came out in 1991. I was a junior in high school and my friends and I all rushed to see the film on opening weekend. We agreed with Roger. A great Val Kilmer performance, but you will have more fun listening to the music instead!
It was a bit of a shock for me as well. It was too sad, on many levels. I think of it as a cautionary tale of how not to live. I don’t regret seeing it, but I don’t rewatch it either.
Yeah I was a sophomore when The Doors can’t out. Val Kilmer was excellent as Jim🕺
I've never seen a music biopic that I liked. They're always either gut-wrenchingly corny or just downright historically revisionist-heavy, or both. Oliver Stone's "The Doors" was no different, really. But as stated previously by Roger--and almost everybody who watched the film--Val Kilmer actually did a fantastic job as Jim Morrison.
Any actor or actress who is tasked with playing like an "edgy" artist or musician really has their work cut out for them: It's extremely easy to turn in an egregiously cringeworthy performance.
that doors review by ebert was confusing lol it totally sounded like he was going thumbs up
Siskel almost convinced Ebert how wrong he was about The Doors. First time I’ve ever seen this.
I became a doors fan when i saw the movie
Sorry to say folks but I enjoyed The Doors movie immensely. I can see Eberts perspective on why it was painful to watch the Morrison character on a death trip and not everything is true but Oliver Stone created something so powerful it felt like you were on an acid trip its artistic stuff by an auteur
The Doors movie is like taking acid. Siskel enjoyed the ride, Ebert had a bad trip.
Ah yes, the infamous Doors show. One of Roger’s most frustratingly confusing and contradictory reviews.
Especially considering his quote: "No good movie is depressing, but every bad movie is." In his review here he called it a "brilliant movie," then went on and on about how depressing it was.
@@williambartholmey5946 Right! Even Gene’s at a loss at 5:55. I think Roger had such an empathy overload for Morrison the person that he forgot to rate the film based on its artistic merit.
Gene got this one . And so did Roger. The fact that the movie ilicits that response is remarkable .
Wow! I love it when they get into catfights and they got into a big one over The Doors. I can't believe Ebert would praise the film for all its strengths but withhold a recommendation because he found the subject matter depressing.
He tended to be harder on directors who were as talented as Stone. Another example is Stone's Alexander, which would have just been mediocre if someone less talented had made it, but which was godawful compared to Stone's best work. Ebert nominated that one as worst of the year. (For the record, I would have given The Doors a thumbs up.)
These 2 are the worst critics ever!
Makes no sense. If that's what his life was like then that's what you gotta show.
It’s called smart people arguing. I understand you aren’t capable of intelligent arguments but those of us who are don’t label it a cat fight.
@@jjgreen5206 You must be a big hit at parties.
...I have seen many S&E reviews...and I have never felt so confused with Roger opinion like this time...
(he gave a thumbs up to Bad Lieutenant!)
The Doors is a so-called “loose” biopic of Jim Morrison and The Doors. A lot of them are made don’t always follow the true stories of their subjects!!!!!
Not so sure why Ebert was so passionate about the depressing nature of the Morrison downward spiral; he didnt feel that way about Leaving Las Vegas which was twice the downer “The Doors” was.
I love Oliver Stone movies and love Jim Morrison music but Jim was a crazy man
I love both too.........................but this movie SUCKED!
Another movie that came out long after this review is the documentary When Your Strange narrative by Johnny Depp 🤨
3/1 is my birthday. Was born in 83
Cool 😎!
Happy birthday!
@@ryanloftis1125 thanks
I’m not getting Roger’s point with The Doors. Schindler’s List is clearly painful. Does that mean I should have never watched it?
Good point
The ending of Schindler’s List is not a downer.
Sometimes reviewers or critics are human maybe he couldn't bear the pain. I understand his feelings but I wouldn't tell someone not to go if he thought so much of it was great
True
I haven't seen any of these movies 😕.
Well then hop to it
My reviews
The Doors (two thumbs up, way up)
My Heroes have Always Been Cowboys (two thumbs down)
Iron and Silk (two thumbs down)
Superstar (two thumbs up)
Andy, thanks for this, the infamous Doors review. Always sided more with Roger but in this case… I mean come on aren’t most bio pics made about self-destructive, unsavory characters? There’s “troubled-star” movies - both fictional and non - all over the place and its point is to show you a tragic figure. So unless you just didn’t like the film as a whole, kind of a weird soft pass on his part.
I like the doors and I like Oliver stone. I don't like the movie. I just watched it again the other day. Was terrible. I don't know what Stone was trying to say. The second hour is depressing and kinda boring. The Patricia character was not very interesting.
You know the movie is ridiculous when Kyle McLachlan (!!!!) and Meg Ryan are side characters.....
Oliver Stone made Jim Morrison like a coked out drunk you'd want to escape in a dive bar-Ray Manzarek thinks Oliver had a "crush"during his heavy coke years.I agree-Watch Jim's films Feast Of Friends(on the Door's Collection DVD)or HWY.Listen to the Ultimate Collected Spoken Words-Jim was a good guy-Oliver Stone's the doors is an inaccurate,unfactual grotesque caricature:)
I think a Thmbs Up & Down Vote is fair because I think “The Doors” (1991) is an Eerily Mixed Bag. The look of the movie is amazing, however the writing is historically inaccurate to the portrayal of Jim Morrison.
Not sure if I understand Ebert’s critique or The Doors. I agree that Morrison as portrayed in the film was thoroughly unpleasant but the movie wasn’t, if that makes sense. Because a person or character is unlikable in a movie doesn’t necessarily count out the movie for being liked. I know these are completely different films but take for instance The War Zone. This is a movie about a family that becomes ruined by incest, rape and molestation, by the hands of the father throughout the movie. It is a painful watch, particularly one scene of rape, yet I believe Ebert gave it 4 stars. I appreciate the film and glad I watched it, but I never want to watch it again. Or a documentary called Just Melvin, Just Evil. He gave it an extremely positive review, and yet the guy that it’s about is probably one of the worst people to have ever been born on this earth. The Doors by comparison is a much bearable watch, even having me want to watch it multiple times. Not sure I understand his point.
I'm sure Riger has recommended lot of "painful" films
He recommended Cop and a Half so yeah!
He liked the original Last House on the Left too. (I found it painful because it was just too damn sadistic and disturbing for me).
Doors. Great example of why Sieskel was the better critic. Ebert is pissed. Because he got an emotional outburst from the film. It really affected him and he's too dense to see that is what makes the best movies, not that you agree with the characters and story.
Funny that most of people's knowledge of The Doors comes from this movie which is 90% pure fiction.
The Doors scene where Meg Ryan's character is excoriating Jim for taking "low grade acid" is clipped so it looks as though she is mad at him for his behavior. She is angry because he will "peak" sooner than her, because she intends to get high, too. The cutting of this clip is disingenuous, but I can guess why they did that.
Ebert was being a bit of a pecker, but I guess passions were running high…. and I kind of agree with his take in the movie… which was too much.
Doors is good no doubt but i hated the "nearly killed Pam scene," because I've looked and there's no evidence of that
Noy a factual film on any level-inaccuracies & grotesque caricatures.
Siskel is a woos
The Doors wasn't a bad movie but I just didn't care and found Jim to be a boring guy.
and he was an obnoxious jerk
the doors are the best band of all time. but the film was awfl.
Oh and the Two Jakes is easily the worst fall off of a sequel from the original of any movie I’ve ever seen.
Siskel is much more objective with his reviews, Ebert is an emotional wreck who wants movies to convey the right 'message' (look at his complete dismissal of 'Starship Troopers' 'cuz he didn't like the message).
Roger is right on -the movie is a downer. It would help if the band wasn't so mediocre but you come to understand that Jim was dumb af.
@Byrons Reward 2 words
@Byrons Reward you say a lot of things in your trailer park but weren't talking much when the Union Army came by
@Byrons Reward And you even took the effort to edit that nonsense? Let me guess, you're ready to break on through to the other side?
The Doors was just as dull as the band itself.