You forgot to mention that Boros can regenerate almost instantly. When he took those consecutive normal punches his flesh snapped back instantly. That alone would be a good argument.
From endurance alone boros stomps,he stated that as long as he has energy he can regenerate as much as his energy,in a battle of endurance boros stomps simply by having energy worth enough to destroy a planet,if boros didn't use his star roaring cannon,I bet he could've tanked the serious punch air pressure
@@abx546 Well the serious punch's air pressure was partially countered by the csrc as they clashed, so he wasn't hit with the full serious punch's air pressure. Though he did survive with minimal injuries only missing a couple limbs, he could've regenerated from that very quickly.
"i dont wanna admit boros is above planet and star level and that multi continental was NEVER his cap" type of people are why this is a debate. VS Wiki literally has tatsumaki above METEORIC BURST. even though Boros gaps her and stronger characters to an insurmountable extent even when armored. they just dont wanna admit Boros is the GOAT. only surpassed by Garou in Cosmic Fear mode's later stages.
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Meteoric Burst do both? It is a form (aka power booster) that uses his latent energy to boost his power and speed beyond the limits of his released state, is it not?
@@ultimate_capper3643 Yes, it does, indeed, break his physical limits (As Boros himself stated that his Meteoric Burst form allows him to go beyond the limits of living flesh), his Released form still places him higher than all other characters that haven't broken their limiter.
@@ultimate_capper3643 it converts his latent energy which is held within him into speed and strength , so basicly it doesn't really have to do anything about limiter or ... he literaly said that in the fight the same energy he uses to shoot energy beams and regenerate
@@Agent-57Ok, but nothing about it is false either. And Satima saying that Boros is strong on three separate accounts, and being tossed around by him, while the girl is just Tough, and is struggling to even restrain him, should tell you something. Why don't you listen to the main character of thw manga, i think he'll know better.
I think you strike a good balance between liking caracters and "objective scaling". Its often hard to scale characters that you personally like more than others. Its easy to belive one is remaining as unbiased as possible but we are only humans in the end and we all have favorites. In your case I am really thankfull for this seeing as we would not have gotten a series such as "what if boros turned good" otherwhise. Great man video Im glad you are a creator!
Her main issue is that she *needs* to be in focus and to be able to react for shit to work. If she's caught off guard and cheesed she loses easily because her physical body is very weak. That's why people incredibly fast have an advantage against her, including boros and monster garou. Also, saitama is not shocked nor serious at all when she's using her full power on him (indicated by the fact that she's getting winded). Most of the fight against boros, he has his sharp ass chin indicating he's taking the fight relatively seriously, and acknowledges boros's strength immediately, then being shocked at how fast boros is during meteoric burst. Nobody has ever shocked saitama in terms of feats except for boros, while he was completely unimpressed with tatsumaki's tantrum and only complimented her after she was down in the dumps emotionally, so you can argue he's telling her that to make her feel better (he sees her as a child anyway).
@llllllllllllll_. he finds it difficult to contain her without hurting her. He never once attacked her. He was told not to kill garou and look at how much destruction garou still did even when saitama was hitting him occasionally. Saitama said he was impressed, sure, but it could very well be that he’s impressed at how much she can do as a physic instead of a physical fighter as indicated after he says he’s impressed.
@llllllllllllll_. yes he was talking about her esper power, which no esper previously has been able to shove him around like tatsumaki did. Again the statement “very impressive” is ambiguous. Also I have no idea what you mean by “I don’t use garou in that way,” nor do I get the relevance of tatsumaki getting stronger having anything to do with this fight if we’re comparing them in monster association arc
I always enjoyed they showed us one of the people at the top of the verse with Boros so early. He was making entire space colonies his bitch while suppressed. It really created an establishing shot of how negligently powerful Saitama is.
Acknowledging that Saitama didn't actually take damage isn't to downscale Boros, it's to keep the entire narrative of OPM intact, as a massive plot point like Saitama actually taking damage wouldn't just be revealed in a cover page or mentioned off-hand, and because Saitama has taken much harder hits still without showing damage like every other character shows when hurt (including himself with hair).
But Satori flat out showed how the chapters surrounding that statement does corroborate to what that statement suggests. Saitama was shown to react to that blow (unlike the other times he was hit) as well as how Boros stated how that one blow definitely connected and that Saitama has to have gotten hurt as otherwise he wouldn't have claimed that Saitama would slowly get hurt more and more. Not to also mention when Cosmic Fear Garou also hurt Casual Saitama, Saitama didn't make a big deal out of it as well. He pretty much dismissed the fact that he was hurt immediately. Also what "much harder hits" were you referring to? Satori made videos proving how every version of Garou is inferior (in terms of sheer power) to tatsumaki's maximum output.
Don't know about You, but to me, a chapter cover seems like a good spot for a reveal like that. Full page dedicated to the single image, front and center, at the beginning of the chapter, big letters with a dramatic pose. Seems like a pretty impactful reveal setup to me.
@@ultimate_capper3643 Boros overestimating himself is not proof of Saitama being injured, and neither is Saitama's facial expression. Also like Satori said, almost every hit besides the punch through the pillars was blocked or dodged by Saitama, so Boros saying that one connected doesn't have to mean "that one damaged him." Based on everything we know about Saitama, it wouldn't even make sense for him to be pissed if someone managed to injure him. If anything he'd be excited. Meteoric Burst was a massive upgrade over Released Boros and Saitama took heavy direct hits. He was then impressed that he had been launched to the moon but made no mention of actually being hurt and there was no blood on him like it's shown every time a character is injured. Saitama also took Cosmic Garou's Nuclear Fission punches and combos with no apparent damage, even when his suit was totally destroyed (something that no one else has ever managed). The argument about whether or not Garou injured Saitama with Saitama Mode is a separate deal, all I'm here saying is that narratively it makes no sense for Boros to have actually injured Saitama.
@@Supreme_Court. But Boros was very clearly not overestimating himself when he believed that he damaged Saitama. Again, he explicitly states that that ONE blow, out of all the times he hit Saitama was the one that managed to connect. And the fact that Saitama's eyes went wide when he WAS hurt further emphasizes this as several other times he was hit, he didn't react the same way. Also, Saitama was not pissed because of being hit, he was just annoyed at how Boros continues to ramble on and on about how he's going to win. And the reason why Saitama wasn't excited was because Boros was only strong enough to slightly hurt Saitama, but is not strong enough to give him a proper fight. Satori's "How strong is Boros video" has explained this more in depth as to why Saitama didn't get excited despite getting hurt by Boros. And once again, Saitama didn't immediately jump for joy despite being hurt by Cosmic Fear Garou either. And I don't see how this argument proves anything. It's been shown in the Cosmic Garou fight how despite being hurt to the point where he got a little mark, Saitama was still not jumping from joy. This proves that Saitama getting scratched is not enough to get him excited about meeting a worthy opponent. Saitama just went a bit serious when facing Meteoric Burst Boros (went from being flung all over the place to be able to stand still against Boros' hits), hence why he didn't take damage. This doesn't negate the fact that he WAS hurt in his casual state, just like how Suppressed Jiren was hurt by Android 17. But it does make narrative sense. As I've said before, the chapters surrounding that statement does put an emphasis on that punch affecting Saitama. Boros was stated and show to be able to rival if not surpass Casual Saitama. Boros' hit had Saitama's eyes widen. Boros states that the hit DEFINITELY connected. Boros then states Saitama would get hurt more and more. Then a little later Saitama says that Boros is almost strong enough to give him a real fight. Even a guidebook proceeds to state Meteoric Burst Boros made Saitama feel clobbered. I'm sorry, but what MORE do you WANT before you accept the notion that Boros did damage Saitama, no matter how miniscule that damage was, especially since you seem to accept Cosmic Garou hurting Saitama pretty well despite it never being made a big deal by Saitama.
@@SatorisYT Maybe if it was restating something that was already indicated and then it went more in depth on. It doesn't have to be a whole chapter on how excited Saitama feels, but why not at least have Saitama himself say or think "wow, this is the first time someone has managed to hurt me in almost 2 years" or something like that? To me, the one disembodied definitive statement and the dramatic pose is just serving the same bait and switch ONE and Murata have always done, where they tease the possibility of Saitama actually being challenged only for that expectation to be subverted every time.
Love to see all the powerscaling videos you've been doing lately! Always found it weird when people try to dismiss editor statements in manga. Like, the editor still has influence over these stories and can tell the mangaka to put things in or take things out of the story.
I agree with the " he took damage" statement, it works because we know how saitama works now. He took some "damage" there but instantly outgrew this powerlevel, so he was able to withstand the Meteoric burst afterwards
Because he was letting her unleash her rage on him? Are you dumb he serious punched garos because he was threatening the goddamn world and tatsumaki is a hero
I like how he talked about the "translation of the kanji" when there wasn't even any kanji there to begin with. But yeah this does translate to unexpected damage
I think there was always straight narrative of characters feats kinda making it easier to scale character.But worst problem would be like reaction speed and speed itself, especially Boros but since he keep up with at least base Saitama even if he didn't hurt him,Boros would stomp Tatsumaki before she react 💀 Edit:Not excatly Stomp but she probably wouldn't be able tank alot of Boros hits
I don't get the people who keep on insisting that boros is "just Dragon+" when he can very clearly obliterate planets. one, initial threat levels assigned by the hero association aren't always accurate(i.e. withered sprout[wolf>dragon] and deep sea king[tiger>demon]); and two, blowing up a planet obviously equals human extinction, literally the qualification for a disaster level god.
to the one who replied but deleted their comment, you do realize that destroying the surface of a planet still means human extinction, right? where do you think humans live if not on the planet's surface aka the crust? 😂 (only leaving this here cuz I know there are others who like to post the same argument to downplay boros)
The only other argument I could see someone make is that Boros is "only" planetary when doing what is essentially a suicide attack. Also there are plenty of monster even early on in the series that would be able to wipe out humanity If there were no heroes around so that definition of "threat to humanity = god" is kinda vague. But even then, the true Definition of disaster level god should be someone thats able to solo the whole s class and force blast to show up, which definitely applies to Boros. Boros being "the highest dragon" or "above dragon" is fanmade anyway since Boros never even have had any official rating since noone even knew he existed. If anything he would probably have been rated a tiger or smth by hero association logic since he was defeated by a c class hero lol.
I always thought that Released Boros Vs Tatsumaki would be a good fight, with Boros winning eventually. But if you bring in Meteoric Burst, Tatsumaki is getting one-shot no concept of difficulty xd. But you scale the verse very differently from me, so fair enough. Good Vid
@@LouisWilliams-ic1kb in anime it is stated : AT LEAST planet level in official databook : released boros is planetary and can blast away planets also in official databook : CSRC is star level planet surface is probebly a mistranslation in manga as all the other source indicate
Have a question? or hot take or whatever. What would happened if Saitama didn’t break Garou gargoyle form? What if he just punch him without breaking it but still send him flying, could Gargoyle Garou become Cosmic Gargoyle Garou?
@@coom6932 continue to seethe over the fact that Armored Boros gaps her immensely. almost like you didnt even watch the video nor pay any attention to the story.
Saitama is impressed for Tatsumaki's psychic ability, dedication, mental fortitude, Boros can regenarate and regarded by saitama to be really strong. In regard to if they met and battle, One possibility is Saitama deals with the psychic tenticle creature and tatsumaki already was flying towards where Boros was located; after She smashed smashed the wall, they encounter and chat with each other just like Saitama encounter with him(Boros gaging her power). Boros will be in his armor so she likely will hold him for a very long time and will either hold him, throw him or try to crush, Boros first moves would be a approach or projectile ability if she didn't make the first move, yet boros would do something externally to attempt to set himself free, Boros was actually looking for saitama yet he doesn't mind battling, "I don't know what happens afterwards yet-- (*Saitama arrrives exactly like in the anime*) Ok, he arrives."
Boros is bae. Easily my favorite character in OPM. It hurts that he got killed, but he got Saitama to act seriously, which is pretty awesome. I'm interested in seeing what the Boros lookalike that helped Blast is all about. Perhaps its a Boros from a parallel dimension, which wouldn't hurt my feelings to say the least. Tldr; Boros is number 1, baby!
Boros forced saitama to ACTUALLY PUT IN A SLIGHT AMOUNT OF EFFORT TO KILL HIM. Can tatsumaki beat something of that magnitude? No. Not even her using telekinesis on his “hair”
i actually don't like comparing what saitama thinks of them because we've seen him grow stronger constantly (i know the statement that saitama oneshots himself from a day ago is probably false but it's technically cannon as far as i know) I'm personally sure boros would win this one in the end but i just don't feel that it would be any form of stomp
Yeah at bare minimum he grew exponentially stronger during the Cosmic Garou fight. Saitama's opinion isn't the deciding factor in the debate in any case tho'.
I'm just gonna say, since I see you use the calc a lot. But as someone who also makes calculations, the feat of Orochi sucking up energy from the Earth's core is more consistently around Moon level, and only gets to Small Planetary if you use very high and ambiguous time-frames. Which we literally have almost no way of telling until the anime comes out.
While I do agree that we don't have an objective time-frame, the time-frames used for the small planet calcs (20-30 seconds) seem pretty reasonable to me. The whole sequence takes place over the course of 2-3 pages in the manga and during that time Orochi and Saitama just kind of sit there. It would be pretty funny to imagine the two of them just sitting in awkward silence for a full minute😄.
@@SatorisYT Ok when I see people calculate the feat, I usually see people assume like 2 to 5 seconds to get it to the Small Planetary range. But when you said 20 seconds, I was confused because from what I usually see, if you assume 20 to 30 seconds, the feat goes down to the Low Moon to High Multi-Continental range. So I went to 1:55 here you show a screenshot of the results and copy pasted the amount (3.3381052485662e+31) into Google and it took me to an Orochi vs Isshiki page on vs wiki. And while the result to a calc is there, I can't find the calc that gets the result.
@@SatorisYT Ok I looked at the calc and it looked fine, but I wondered if it was accepted at one point, why wasn't it accepted anymore? So I went down to the comments to see some nice peer review and they were pretty mixed. I saw someone mention the shape of the drop that Orochi had was weird, and when I went to the image where they calculated the mass of the core, I realized something. In the image they were using to calculate the distance and volume, Murata drew the Earth in a way where the core of the Earth wasn't centered. I think he messed up when drawing that panel, and accidentally made it where if you edited a circle around the curvature of the Earth in that panel, the core wouldn't be centered at all. I think I recall having the same issue back when I calculated the feat for the first time honestly. Basically, to keep it simple, I think Murata made a drawing mistake to make the fragment Orochi got look bigger than it should've been by accidentally drawing the core uncentered than where it should've been based on the curvature. But if you use the panel above it where the fragment is about to break off the core and the core is much more centered, the fragment is smaller than in the panel below it. So the mass they got honestly should be less, unless you wanna say it wasn't a drawing mistake and that Orochi actually moved the entire core of the Earth a bit, which is why it's off centered. Which while it would still mean the volume and distance were more than they should've been, moving the entire core of the Earth a bit off center would also be a bit of a feat. And if you're not a big calc nerd and don't understand what I just said, I can elaborate better and use images to help show my point on discord.
@@SatorisYT Your video is good by the way, it was just really weird for me to see the Orochi feat get to that high when me and other people who calculated the feat rarely get numbers above moon level
@@mrsketchysketch680 well at the very least it would be a close fight between the two before forcing him to go to meteoric burst mode to finish the job, considering both forms are planetary
I think the biggest point with gargoyle garou is that Murata said that ONE stated monster garou and boros are around equal in a drawing stream, which is why people hype him up so much
That's normal Boros not metric burst Boros. Casual Saitama was busting up monster Garou but Boros without his limiter was ragdolling Saitama and was stated to be stronger than casual Saitama pre metric burst.
@@sky-oq5mrfirst point: he never said garou scaled to meteoric burst level. He just said "because in stream author said garou=boros and thats why people 0verhype him so much" Never once implied he said he was on level with burst form. Idk why you are bringing that up. 2nd point: boros did 0 damage to saitama. Seeing meteoric burst did 0 damage.
I definitely do think that Boros in his released form would one shot Tatsumaki Without the huge or invisible barrier + I am pretty Sure That Without Saitama & Blast existing, Boros would fodder the Entire Earth with low Diff.
did you forget the facts that tatsumaki spanked saitama around for five chapters. plus, saitama said that he couldn't control her. based on those feats, i think tatsumaki can easily handle the denominator of the universe! 😳🤯🤭😆😆😆😆😆
@@fitnessstuff915 Plus When he Said He Couldn't Control Her, He Meant He Couldn't Stop Her from Destroying Everything, You Know What Would Have Happened If Saitama Used a Normal Consecutive Punches on Her, Plus I Don't Her Having any Abilities To Stop Boros From Regenerating from Small Chunks.
@@fitnessstuff915 Tatsumaki is not any where near Close to the same League as Boros or Cosmic Garou. And Saitama was actively trying to accidentally defeat her
@@mrsketchysketch680 oh really? 1. when did saitama, boros, or cosmic garou tank a punch god but continue to fight? 2. when did saitama defeat psykos-orochi, two monsters who received extra powers from god? 3. when did saitama save the s-class heros? 4. when did saitama fight most of the monster association executives? 5. when did saitama rip the monster association headquarters out of the ground and end the monster association arc? 6. when did saitama check to make sure everyone was safe and evacuated before they destroyed stuff? 7. when did saitama try to rescue psykos? 8. where in the one punch man encyclopedia does it say that saitama''s supernatural abilities are the fruit of a divine realm? 9. where in the opm encyclopedia does it say saitama's powers can move all creation? 🤯🤯🤯 10. where in the opm encyclopedia does it say saitama's body contains a "bottomless" well of power? 11. when did saitama pull a meteor from the asteroid belt and send it to earth? 12. and when did saitama talk about dimensional travel and warping?
@@SatorisYT watched it, more like an actual strength measurement, because there are a lot of different opinions within the community, according to vsbattlewiki spring mustachio should be able to one shot Gums for example
Tatsumaki’s speed is pretty high because Psyhos actually speed blitz Flashy Flash. When Psyhos flew past Flashy Flash and Saitama, Flashy Flash couldn’t even recognize what flew by while Saitama actually saw that it was a woman who flew by. So if Psyhos can speed blitz Flashy Flash, then Tatsumaki’s speed is far greater.
I know this argument. The main problem with it is that Psychos flew by completely out of nowhere while Flashy was doing other things, so You can argue it was because Flash was off guard and such. It's an argument, but I don't think it's an undeniable argument personally.
You can’t scale Boros speed, since he has only fought heavily suppressed saitama, who is by far the fastest character in the show atm, so we cant decide if tats is faster
@@SatorisYT Flashy Flash wasn’t doing anything when Psyhos showed up. Flashy Flash was just riding on mine cart and talking to Saitama, he wouldn’t be caught off guard doing that because he is in a monster lair so he would keep his guard up. But regarding your Tatsumaki vs Garou video, Tatsumaki’s speed would scale far higher. Making it less likely for Garou to win.
I think there's truly an important question we must ask. Were the invaders with boros simply different types of aliens from different planets being their own species. OR were these aliens potentially monsters from different planets in which there were no heroes to stop the monster takeover on these planets? I think if the situation were the ladder, it could give insight on how much of a threat Boros was compared to villians which followed after. It could be the possibility that Boros was initially only a Monster King on a planet, but then became a Space Pirate and ended up recruiting basically other Monster Kings or fighting them across the galaxy, whilst just remaining the strongest. That is my personal headcanon I suppose, but it is how I always interpreted the story.
could these invaders simply be captives that come from a variety of planets that boros conquered and forced into boros' service? ive also read some fan theory that said boros was another one of god's avitars (like homeless emperor, and psykos) who god sent to dominate the earth.
@@fitnessstuff915 I do believe that they are either captives or recruits depending on the resistance or submission each race or monster may have posed. As for the God situation, I cannot say about whether Boros was influenced, however, I do believe he was a unique being almost.
Unrelated to the topic, but I must add one thing here. ONE himself couldn't say years ago who would win between Garou and Boros. That was years ago before Awakened Garou was introduced in the manga. So i think it's safe to say that manga Garou has greaters feats than webcomic Garou. I belive you see where I'm going with this. Anyways Boros easily defeats Tatsumaki tho.
Yes right? In my head Canon Gyrunganshoop or whatever ever he was called, would be a about the level of Tatsumaki, maybe not stronger than her, but in the same Ball Park
@@rcengineer8159 the anime and manga? forget continents, geryuganshoop can literally create black holes with ease. He just had the misfortune of fighting of fighting saitama.
Boros seemed weak because he was up against Saitama 😅 Tarsumaki didn't got wrecked as easy as Boros... and that doesn't say much either. By we have to remember Boros had the galaxis strongest esper as his Lieutenant becuase he could beast him eazy. Personally I rank Saitama, Blast, Boros then Tarsumaki
Boros still wins, but just because Saitama doesn’t have hair doesn’t mean he did not break his limiter yet. His hair fell off because it couldn’t keep on in fights and because Saitama broke his limiter. He probably broke his limiter a year or year and a half into training
The cover statement doesn't make sense as a valid statement due to the fact Boros did worse to Saitama when he hit Meteoric Burst, but Saitama seemed to fine afterwards. How are we gonna get confirmation that saitama took damage in Boro's suppressed form yet zero mention of damage when Boros did a infinite combo on Saitama that ended with blasting Saitama to the moon? It just seemed inconsistent to me.
In the manga, Boros only throws two attacks at Saitama in Meteoric Burst any that's enough to get Saitama to say "This is almost a real fight" afterwards. And then he goes on to block every hit Boros throws at him after. As for the anime, I've covered that in my original Boros video.
@SatorisYT I forgot the anime added some combat. For the manga, we have to still ask: is the initial Meterouc Burst speed blitz punch and kick that sent Saitama flying to the moon greater than or equal to the earlier energy blast and the behind-the-head punch that "caused damage" to Saitama? I would think it is stronger due to it the sheer destructive power and being able to knock Saitama around.
@@ephraimwolobah9152 I think the answer to that is pretty simple: The damage is probably all internal aswell as minor. Think about it, when someone gets punched really hard in real life its not like their skin will rip open or smth, atleast not usually. It will just hurt a lot and you maybe get a bruise. So the "damage" Saitama received from released Boros are just scratches at best and if in meteoric burst the damage he received was multipled by a big amount it would likely still not be enough to cause any visible injuries. Also Boros never claimed that Saitama was seriously hurt or smth. His whole point was proving that Saitama is capable of being injured, even if only a tiny bit, and that eventually he would wear him down because he can regenerate and Saitama cant.
Probably low-mid. Armored Boros' best scaling would place him above Orochi. There's one way You can get him to planet level, but even with that, Tats should still take it mid diff.
@@SatorisYT I remember that you used to say in one of your first live streams that Tats vs Armored Boros would be a good match. You even said that you would give the edge to Boros. Peoples's mind change I guess. 😄
@@SatorisYT I don't wanna scale any characters anymore. Powerscaling is just very weird to some extent. I guess I'll just follow the series without getting into scaling too seriously, maybe just for fun like you do. And probbaly you know me by now Satori. We have had a lotta chats in the comment section and the live streams. I discovered your channel through What If Boros turned good series. I really enjoy your content. Keep up the good work!
i have opm hypothetically dimensionally scaled to outerversal based on genos' third scenario - the state space of quantum mechanics which includes infinite-dimensional hilbert space. opm is also platonically outerversal because cosmic garou called himself "absolute evil".
@@freddmonster8769 theoretically, scenario 3, the quantum mechanics theory can contain infinite-dimensional hilbert space (2ℵ0). 2ℵ0 might be bigger than ℵ1 (ℵ0 being hyperversal), ℵ1 low outerversal, making 2ℵ0 outerversal+. so, if they used this scenario/method to execute the reversal, then they're actually outerversal+!
The thing is, we dont know how truly strong psychorochi was. Its possible that the beam which sliced off part of the earth could also slice the entire earth in half or possibly more. Since tatsumaki at full concentration defeated psychorochi with relative ease she COULD be planetary
Well i believe that the beam that psykorochi initiated was a casual beam. Also i believe she is AT LEAST high multi- continental though she’s probably a few bits away of reaching moon level in my eyes. Since tats literally negged her(i believe she still was taking the fight seriously at that moment) i’d say she’s low-mid planetary level
tatsumaki is large planet level lol. even Psykorochi is since Orochi was already casually in the triple zettaton range. Incomplete Psykorochi outscaled the Gaia Cannon. Not his regular attacks. Same Gaia Cannon that Saitama one shotted with 0 effort was something Psykorochi thought they could beat.
I haven't seen or read Mob Psycho yet. I tried getting into it, but the first 2 episodes of the anime really weren't my thing. I might give it another go sometime though.
Mob has only at best ever been scaled to Multi-Continental. If Orochi's small planet feat is to be taken at face value, she one shots Mob with ease. However, Mob was never really challenged in his series as he was able to effortlessly nullify the combined attacks of Toichiro and Sho Suzuki (former being 2nd/3rd strongest character in the verse, while the latter should be in the top 10) in his ???% mode.
14:37 is that your tier list? Because no form of Boros has business being on the same level as Cosmic Garou wtf. Everyone knows Boros is strong, but he's totally not on the same level as Cosmic Garou. You spent a good amount of time comparing Tatsumaki and Boros' fight against Saitama, so why not do the same with Boros and Garou. Cosmic Garou was trading blows with freaking Serious Punches, whereas Boros almost died with just one of those. There's your comparison. I could already tell the way you were describing Boros in this video that you're one of those stans that glorifies him and would still argue that Boros can hang with Cosmic Garou, but seeing Boros being put on the same level as Cosmic Garou is the last confirmation.
ITS A FUCKING HEAD COVER OF CORSE THEY DIDNT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT. ALSO IF THE ANIME DOESNT SAY IT IT DOESNT MEAN ITS NOT CANNON ITS A BOOK COVER YOUR ACTING LIKE THE ANIME IS JUST GONNA SAY “the head cover for this episode is he took damage” MAYBE DONT RELY ON ANIMES AND STOP BEING A LAZY FUCK AND JUST READ THE MANGA
Didn't Saitama say in a audiobook that he gets stronger with each day, that in itself proves Saitama is stronger in the monster association arc, let alone post Cosmic Garou Saitama. Also do you think Saitama retained his strength with his future self or not, I don't know. If he does, that puts the fight up in the air for me since Tatsumaki doesn't have the same speed feats boros does, though do you believe Boros is fast enough to get through Tatsumaki's shield before she can get a hold of him with her planetary tk powers
I go into the whole audio book Saitama gets stronger debacle in Mt original Boros video. It's unclear if Saitama still has his strength. He lost his memories and that's all we know. We won't be able to tell unless it's specifically addressed at some point.
@@sky-oq5mrhe clearly is not infinity. Seeing infinite AP=infinite DC. So even a single punch would have destroyed everything to exist. And it is not like saitama has ki control like that. Plus saitama did not kill boros's with that serious punch shockwave or he did just not in 1 punch. Even infinite speed air would kill anything with finite power. So that levek would have erased boros. Also if saitama had infinite strength/Ap boros would have died first punch. Especially seeing saitama was intending to kill and saitama shown multiple times not being able to tell the PL of other characters as well. And if he did why would he not kill boros if thats all he needed? There ya go infinite strength/Ap debunked.
@@tonggtiei you are using logic of the real world in a show where a sneeze can shatter Jupiter from earth. No point in talking further bro, you're crazy lmfao.
I 100% agree, at least when it comes to characters we can actually scale. People like Blast's team and the ninja village leader are likely stronger, we just don't have anything concrete yet.
@@owensilva9224 blast is not faster than Boros. Boros was destroy everything by just moving. Also a shockwave ain't the punch. Also I tend to forget the manga and anime ain't the real canon stuff. In the webcomic that shit never happened. It's non canon
I personally think chapter 166 , literaly showed us mb boros was much stronger than we though if you belive parallel panels , it was shown that he was kinda stronger to cosmic fear garou initial (without copy) , it seemed that he was equal in terms of speed and strengh and he had csrc and regenration so I would say mb boros + csrc > cosmic fear garou initial (without copy) btw I didn't count grb as initial cosmic garou cuz he used it after copying casual saitama so I really don't see why boros vs tatsumaki should be even a debate
@@Danilo-tk1tj while I totaly respect your oppinion and that might be true, but I personally just don't see saitama getting surprised of only two persons speed which are mb boros and cs garou initial is a coincidence . and I belive murata put the parallel panel indicating saitama being surprised for a reason.
First to be clear I think Boros would win, in this fight due to many reasons, but I just want to point out that the Saitama that Tatsumaki fought is a lot stronger than the one with Boros, and the reason why is that Saitama would grow stronger by a stupidly large amount if he faced any real challenge, as we saw many times in the story, and I don't think that Saitama should be injured real badly or something to start growing more, so based on this argument, I would say Saitama from Tatsumaki fight is stronger than Saitama from Boros fight, and that will make their match-up more interesting.
wow! that's an interesting theory. but I think tatsumaki faked her fight with saitama and pretended to throw a temper tantrum in order to bait saitama into a fight and distract everyone's attention away from the fubuki - psykos rescue operation. i believe this because way back in chapter 176, tatsumaki tells fubuki "im gonna put on a little act and i need your help." looks to me as if tatsumaki and fubuki planned to rescue psykos all along. and that "little act" she mentioned, was tatsumaki intentionally getting into a fight with saitama. 🤯
Wrong. Every argument you are using for Boros was already debunked so many times and yet you never address any counter arguments that were made. No wonder you have this matchup backwards. For starters, scaling Saitama to Boros is nonsense, because we learn Saitama was holding back significantly against Boros the whole time, from Boros himself. So no, his punch he used at the start was not some baseline punch you can scale to other punches like Orochi punch. His serious punch was not a truly bloodlusted punch that you can scale to his fight against Garou. Saitama was holding back, because he sees eye to eye with Boros's dream of finding someone strong enough to fight. Saitama punched a lot of monsters and humans before with a variety of different intentions and achieved lots of different effects. He didn't kill the Frog monster that came spying on his house on behalf of Genus, and he punched him to the ground with no visible mercy. He didn't kill Sneck, even though he found him really annoying and absolutely caved his face in when he provoked him. There is no reason you are entitled to reasonably scaling punches Boros took to any other event after we learn that Saitama was holding back. At that point, punches become impossible to calculate, and simply have to be calculated separately, based off their own feats. The best calc Boros has is for his moon kick, which is multi-continental. Nothing compared to Tatsumaki. The only reason Boros can potentially damage Tatsumaki is if he is able to tag her with his collapsing star canon, but it's a predictable, linear attack, so it's unlikely Tatsumaki couldn't just dodge it like she could Psykos's lasers.
wow! spot on! i hope he replies to your comments. i would really like to read his counter arguments. personally, i think this content creator is just a tatsumaki hater.
I 100% think tatsu beats boros. Remember Saitama get way stronger by just existing like 1 shot levels above himself frm the previous day and alot of time has passed since then so using his feats against that weaker saitama isnt cutting it for me
wow, nice! i totally agree. i also think she can beat saitama!🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 the one punch man hero encyclopedia or guidebook says that tatsumaki's supernatural abilities are the fruit of a divine realm, her powers can move all creation, and her body contains a "bottomless" well of power. 🤯
You forgot to mention that Boros can regenerate almost instantly. When he took those consecutive normal punches his flesh snapped back instantly. That alone would be a good argument.
and the fact is that he prb regens even faster then we can so bc of the fight being extreamly slowed down prb
From endurance alone boros stomps,he stated that as long as he has energy he can regenerate as much as his energy,in a battle of endurance boros stomps simply by having energy worth enough to destroy a planet,if boros didn't use his star roaring cannon,I bet he could've tanked the serious punch air pressure
@@abx546 Well the serious punch's air pressure was partially countered by the csrc as they clashed, so he wasn't hit with the full serious punch's air pressure. Though he did survive with minimal injuries only missing a couple limbs, he could've regenerated from that very quickly.
thats assuming tatsumaki can even hurt him when even armored boros is insurmountable to anything she can do.
Why it is even a debate like wtf
"i dont wanna admit boros is above planet and star level and that multi continental was NEVER his cap" type of people are why this is a debate. VS Wiki literally has tatsumaki above METEORIC BURST. even though Boros gaps her and stronger characters to an insurmountable extent even when armored.
they just dont wanna admit Boros is the GOAT. only surpassed by Garou in Cosmic Fear mode's later stages.
Boros is the strongest character in one punch man without power boost or breaking his limiter
The chad build different
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Meteoric Burst do both? It is a form (aka power booster) that uses his latent energy to boost his power and speed beyond the limits of his released state, is it not?
@@ultimate_capper3643 Yes, it does, indeed, break his physical limits (As Boros himself stated that his Meteoric Burst form allows him to go beyond the limits of living flesh), his Released form still places him higher than all other characters that haven't broken their limiter.
Or, atleast, going by Satoru's tierlist.
Blast would take that actually
@@ultimate_capper3643 it converts his latent energy which is held within him into speed and strength , so basicly it doesn't really have to do anything about limiter or ...
he literaly said that in the fight
the same energy he uses to shoot energy beams and regenerate
There were so many people trying to say tatsumaki stomps boros for so long, I’m glad that this video is finally showing the truth
I wouldn't say it's the truth, just my take on the topic. I don't think there's one objective truth when it comes to discussions like this.
@@SatorisYT lol I know I’m just excited you gave your take on it
No its a pretty biased take. Nothing about it is the truth. Boros is hella overrated
@@Agent-57Ok, but nothing about it is false either. And Satima saying that Boros is strong on three separate accounts, and being tossed around by him, while the girl is just Tough, and is struggling to even restrain him, should tell you something. Why don't you listen to the main character of thw manga, i think he'll know better.
@@Agent-57Nothing false about it either, Tatsumaki just doesn't beat Monster Garou or Boros
I think you strike a good balance between liking caracters and "objective scaling". Its often hard to scale characters that you personally like more than others. Its easy to belive one is remaining as unbiased as possible but we are only humans in the end and we all have favorites. In your case I am really thankfull for this seeing as we would not have gotten a series such as "what if boros turned good" otherwhise. Great man video Im glad you are a creator!
Yeah, everyone has their biases, myself included. It's hard to ignore them.
Thanks!
I don't think is even a debate boros is clearly has advantage in everything+ he didn't die directly from a serious punch is closing the case
He could tank that but he used all his energy into roaring canon which leaves him vulnerable
Her main issue is that she *needs* to be in focus and to be able to react for shit to work. If she's caught off guard and cheesed she loses easily because her physical body is very weak. That's why people incredibly fast have an advantage against her, including boros and monster garou.
Also, saitama is not shocked nor serious at all when she's using her full power on him (indicated by the fact that she's getting winded). Most of the fight against boros, he has his sharp ass chin indicating he's taking the fight relatively seriously, and acknowledges boros's strength immediately, then being shocked at how fast boros is during meteoric burst. Nobody has ever shocked saitama in terms of feats except for boros, while he was completely unimpressed with tatsumaki's tantrum and only complimented her after she was down in the dumps emotionally, so you can argue he's telling her that to make her feel better (he sees her as a child anyway).
@llllllllllllll_. he finds it difficult to contain her without hurting her. He never once attacked her. He was told not to kill garou and look at how much destruction garou still did even when saitama was hitting him occasionally. Saitama said he was impressed, sure, but it could very well be that he’s impressed at how much she can do as a physic instead of a physical fighter as indicated after he says he’s impressed.
@llllllllllllll_. yes he was talking about her esper power, which no esper previously has been able to shove him around like tatsumaki did. Again the statement “very impressive” is ambiguous. Also I have no idea what you mean by “I don’t use garou in that way,” nor do I get the relevance of tatsumaki getting stronger having anything to do with this fight if we’re comparing them in monster association arc
I always enjoyed they showed us one of the people at the top of the verse with Boros so early. He was making entire space colonies his bitch while suppressed. It really created an establishing shot of how negligently powerful Saitama is.
Who thought this was even close? Atleast this isn't as one sided as Dante from DMC vs Son Wukong
Boros would annihilate tatsumaki. Probably kill her in a single hit
Who do you think wins from Dante vs Wukong
@@appleboss9742Sun Wukong would obliterate Dante.
Acknowledging that Saitama didn't actually take damage isn't to downscale Boros, it's to keep the entire narrative of OPM intact, as a massive plot point like Saitama actually taking damage wouldn't just be revealed in a cover page or mentioned off-hand, and because Saitama has taken much harder hits still without showing damage like every other character shows when hurt (including himself with hair).
But Satori flat out showed how the chapters surrounding that statement does corroborate to what that statement suggests. Saitama was shown to react to that blow (unlike the other times he was hit) as well as how Boros stated how that one blow definitely connected and that Saitama has to have gotten hurt as otherwise he wouldn't have claimed that Saitama would slowly get hurt more and more. Not to also mention when Cosmic Fear Garou also hurt Casual Saitama, Saitama didn't make a big deal out of it as well. He pretty much dismissed the fact that he was hurt immediately.
Also what "much harder hits" were you referring to? Satori made videos proving how every version of Garou is inferior (in terms of sheer power) to tatsumaki's maximum output.
Don't know about You, but to me, a chapter cover seems like a good spot for a reveal like that. Full page dedicated to the single image, front and center, at the beginning of the chapter, big letters with a dramatic pose. Seems like a pretty impactful reveal setup to me.
@@ultimate_capper3643 Boros overestimating himself is not proof of Saitama being injured, and neither is Saitama's facial expression. Also like Satori said, almost every hit besides the punch through the pillars was blocked or dodged by Saitama, so Boros saying that one connected doesn't have to mean "that one damaged him." Based on everything we know about Saitama, it wouldn't even make sense for him to be pissed if someone managed to injure him. If anything he'd be excited.
Meteoric Burst was a massive upgrade over Released Boros and Saitama took heavy direct hits. He was then impressed that he had been launched to the moon but made no mention of actually being hurt and there was no blood on him like it's shown every time a character is injured. Saitama also took Cosmic Garou's Nuclear Fission punches and combos with no apparent damage, even when his suit was totally destroyed (something that no one else has ever managed).
The argument about whether or not Garou injured Saitama with Saitama Mode is a separate deal, all I'm here saying is that narratively it makes no sense for Boros to have actually injured Saitama.
@@Supreme_Court. But Boros was very clearly not overestimating himself when he believed that he damaged Saitama. Again, he explicitly states that that ONE blow, out of all the times he hit Saitama was the one that managed to connect. And the fact that Saitama's eyes went wide when he WAS hurt further emphasizes this as several other times he was hit, he didn't react the same way. Also, Saitama was not pissed because of being hit, he was just annoyed at how Boros continues to ramble on and on about how he's going to win. And the reason why Saitama wasn't excited was because Boros was only strong enough to slightly hurt Saitama, but is not strong enough to give him a proper fight. Satori's "How strong is Boros video" has explained this more in depth as to why Saitama didn't get excited despite getting hurt by Boros. And once again, Saitama didn't immediately jump for joy despite being hurt by Cosmic Fear Garou either.
And I don't see how this argument proves anything. It's been shown in the Cosmic Garou fight how despite being hurt to the point where he got a little mark, Saitama was still not jumping from joy. This proves that Saitama getting scratched is not enough to get him excited about meeting a worthy opponent. Saitama just went a bit serious when facing Meteoric Burst Boros (went from being flung all over the place to be able to stand still against Boros' hits), hence why he didn't take damage. This doesn't negate the fact that he WAS hurt in his casual state, just like how Suppressed Jiren was hurt by Android 17.
But it does make narrative sense. As I've said before, the chapters surrounding that statement does put an emphasis on that punch affecting Saitama. Boros was stated and show to be able to rival if not surpass Casual Saitama. Boros' hit had Saitama's eyes widen. Boros states that the hit DEFINITELY connected. Boros then states Saitama would get hurt more and more. Then a little later Saitama says that Boros is almost strong enough to give him a real fight. Even a guidebook proceeds to state Meteoric Burst Boros made Saitama feel clobbered. I'm sorry, but what MORE do you WANT before you accept the notion that Boros did damage Saitama, no matter how miniscule that damage was, especially since you seem to accept Cosmic Garou hurting Saitama pretty well despite it never being made a big deal by Saitama.
@@SatorisYT Maybe if it was restating something that was already indicated and then it went more in depth on. It doesn't have to be a whole chapter on how excited Saitama feels, but why not at least have Saitama himself say or think "wow, this is the first time someone has managed to hurt me in almost 2 years" or something like that?
To me, the one disembodied definitive statement and the dramatic pose is just serving the same bait and switch ONE and Murata have always done, where they tease the possibility of Saitama actually being challenged only for that expectation to be subverted every time.
Love to see all the powerscaling videos you've been doing lately!
Always found it weird when people try to dismiss editor statements in manga. Like, the editor still has influence over these stories and can tell the mangaka to put things in or take things out of the story.
This video is basically, could a lime girl with twisty powers vs a white super saiyan 3 with a pink fetish
I agree with the " he took damage" statement, it works because we know how saitama works now. He took some "damage" there but instantly outgrew this powerlevel, so he was able to withstand the Meteoric burst afterwards
Saitama last punch was him being serious
Saitama did not even punch tatsumki😂
This is a absolute stomp
Because he was letting her unleash her rage on him? Are you dumb he serious punched garos because he was threatening the goddamn world and tatsumaki is a hero
No matter how much I like tats it was never a debate. Boros simply is built different.
I like how he talked about the "translation of the kanji" when there wasn't even any kanji there to begin with. But yeah this does translate to unexpected damage
I think there was always straight narrative of characters feats kinda making it easier to scale character.But worst problem would be like reaction speed and speed itself, especially Boros but since he keep up with at least base Saitama even if he didn't hurt him,Boros would stomp Tatsumaki before she react 💀
Edit:Not excatly Stomp but she probably wouldn't be able tank alot of Boros hits
I don't get the people who keep on insisting that boros is "just Dragon+" when he can very clearly obliterate planets. one, initial threat levels assigned by the hero association aren't always accurate(i.e. withered sprout[wolf>dragon] and deep sea king[tiger>demon]); and two, blowing up a planet obviously equals human extinction, literally the qualification for a disaster level god.
to the one who replied but deleted their comment, you do realize that destroying the surface of a planet still means human extinction, right? where do you think humans live if not on the planet's surface aka the crust? 😂
(only leaving this here cuz I know there are others who like to post the same argument to downplay boros)
The only other argument I could see someone make is that Boros is "only" planetary when doing what is essentially a suicide attack.
Also there are plenty of monster even early on in the series that would be able to wipe out humanity If there were no heroes around so that definition of "threat to humanity = god" is kinda vague.
But even then, the true Definition of disaster level god should be someone thats able to solo the whole s class and force blast to show up, which definitely applies to Boros.
Boros being "the highest dragon" or "above dragon" is fanmade anyway since Boros never even have had any official rating since noone even knew he existed.
If anything he would probably have been rated a tiger or smth by hero association logic since he was defeated by a c class hero lol.
I always thought that Released Boros Vs Tatsumaki would be a good fight, with Boros winning eventually. But if you bring in Meteoric Burst, Tatsumaki is getting one-shot no concept of difficulty xd. But you scale the verse very differently from me, so fair enough. Good Vid
Thanks!
@@coom6932 damn can't believe I met an even bigger Tatsumaki fan and Boros downplayer xd
@@coom6932 damn, this is some serious levels of delusion here, maybe you should take your meds or smt xd
@@LoudYapper Don't bother. The guy has literally said he refuses to hear out any arguments.
@@SatorisYT yeah man, I just can't believe I met one in the wild xd
Star level Boros doesn’t seem too outlandish
Disagree
@@LouisWilliams-ic1kbhe's already stated as such
@@sky-oq5mr and he’s stated as planet surface level as well for the same feat planet level is middle ground of that feat
@@LouisWilliams-ic1kb
in anime it is stated : AT LEAST planet level
in official databook : released boros is planetary and can blast away planets
also in official databook : CSRC is star level
planet surface is probebly a mistranslation in manga as all the other source indicate
boros is Multi-Solar System Level+ and debatably Galaxy Level. anyone arguing otherwise is coping.
Have a question? or hot take or whatever. What would happened if Saitama didn’t break Garou gargoyle form? What if he just punch him without breaking it but still send him flying, could Gargoyle Garou become Cosmic Gargoyle Garou?
He probably could
@@SatorisYTif that happened, how strong would he be?
@@ryansmith21035 Probaby as strong as Saitama, or at least on the level of Saitama's serious punches.
A Hydrogen bomb vs a sassy lost child
11:52 Well, he dodged or blocked all other blows, so it makes sense that Boros said so
The difference between people who Saitama sees as strong and people who Saitama ignores is astronomical, this was never a debate.
isn't release boros the one who destroys planets or was that in his armored state?
Boros literally destroys tatsumaki in his unleashed form
It should be clear who’s stronger great video
Thanks!
And if Tatsumaki did manage to crush Boros, he would just regenerate.
no, he wouldnt.
he cannot regenerate from a cellular level attack
Maybe his cells can regenerate from being disintegrated. I don´t know Boros's full power.@@coom6932
@@coom6932Boros still outscales and has better feats tho
@@brothsipper-h5o boros does not outscales and does not have better feats.
@@coom6932 continue to seethe over the fact that Armored Boros gaps her immensely. almost like you didnt even watch the video nor pay any attention to the story.
Saitama is impressed for Tatsumaki's psychic ability, dedication, mental fortitude, Boros can regenarate and regarded by saitama to be really strong.
In regard to if they met and battle, One possibility is Saitama deals with the psychic tenticle creature and tatsumaki already was flying towards where Boros was located; after She smashed smashed the wall, they encounter and chat with each other just like Saitama encounter with him(Boros gaging her power). Boros will be in his armor so she likely will hold him for a very long time and will either hold him, throw him or try to crush, Boros first moves would be a approach or projectile ability if she didn't make the first move, yet boros would do something externally to attempt to set himself free, Boros was actually looking for saitama yet he doesn't mind battling, "I don't know what happens afterwards yet-- (*Saitama arrrives exactly like in the anime*) Ok, he arrives."
She did make saitama muscles twitch and them boros surprised saitama by his speed
Boros is bae. Easily my favorite character in OPM. It hurts that he got killed, but he got Saitama to act seriously, which is pretty awesome. I'm interested in seeing what the Boros lookalike that helped Blast is all about. Perhaps its a Boros from a parallel dimension, which wouldn't hurt my feelings to say the least.
Tldr; Boros is number 1, baby!
Boros forced saitama to ACTUALLY PUT IN A SLIGHT AMOUNT OF EFFORT TO KILL HIM. Can tatsumaki beat something of that magnitude? No. Not even her using telekinesis on his “hair”
Also not with those noodle arms 💀
Boros was a foreshadow of cosmic garou. Cosmic bosses will prove to be the strongest in the end against saitama in fighting.
Tatsumaki seems like a much better match for the tentacled psyker navigator of the ship than Boros himself.
what the fuck? tatsumaki is stronger than boros and you are comparing her to geryuganshoop? this downplay is ridiculous
She would annihilate him
@@coom6932we meet again
Bro the Boros generals are Human Garou victims
@@coom6932 I was right about you not respecting people's opinions and you not minding your own goddamn business!
i actually don't like comparing what saitama thinks of them because we've seen him grow stronger constantly (i know the statement that saitama oneshots himself from a day ago is probably false but it's technically cannon as far as i know)
I'm personally sure boros would win this one in the end but i just don't feel that it would be any form of stomp
Yeah at bare minimum he grew exponentially stronger during the Cosmic Garou fight. Saitama's opinion isn't the deciding factor in the debate in any case tho'.
I'm just gonna say, since I see you use the calc a lot. But as someone who also makes calculations, the feat of Orochi sucking up energy from the Earth's core is more consistently around Moon level, and only gets to Small Planetary if you use very high and ambiguous time-frames. Which we literally have almost no way of telling until the anime comes out.
While I do agree that we don't have an objective time-frame, the time-frames used for the small planet calcs (20-30 seconds) seem pretty reasonable to me. The whole sequence takes place over the course of 2-3 pages in the manga and during that time Orochi and Saitama just kind of sit there. It would be pretty funny to imagine the two of them just sitting in awkward silence for a full minute😄.
@@SatorisYT Ok when I see people calculate the feat, I usually see people assume like 2 to 5 seconds to get it to the Small Planetary range.
But when you said 20 seconds, I was confused because from what I usually see, if you assume 20 to 30 seconds, the feat goes down to the Low Moon to High Multi-Continental range.
So I went to 1:55 here you show a screenshot of the results and copy pasted the amount (3.3381052485662e+31) into Google and it took me to an Orochi vs Isshiki page on vs wiki. And while the result to a calc is there, I can't find the calc that gets the result.
@@cipher6601 vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Qawsedf234/Orochi_sucks_up_part_of_the_Earth's_core
This is the calc I use
@@SatorisYT Ok I looked at the calc and it looked fine, but I wondered if it was accepted at one point, why wasn't it accepted anymore?
So I went down to the comments to see some nice peer review and they were pretty mixed. I saw someone mention the shape of the drop that Orochi had was weird, and when I went to the image where they calculated the mass of the core, I realized something.
In the image they were using to calculate the distance and volume, Murata drew the Earth in a way where the core of the Earth wasn't centered. I think he messed up when drawing that panel, and accidentally made it where if you edited a circle around the curvature of the Earth in that panel, the core wouldn't be centered at all. I think I recall having the same issue back when I calculated the feat for the first time honestly.
Basically, to keep it simple, I think Murata made a drawing mistake to make the fragment Orochi got look bigger than it should've been by accidentally drawing the core uncentered than where it should've been based on the curvature.
But if you use the panel above it where the fragment is about to break off the core and the core is much more centered, the fragment is smaller than in the panel below it. So the mass they got honestly should be less, unless you wanna say it wasn't a drawing mistake and that Orochi actually moved the entire core of the Earth a bit, which is why it's off centered. Which while it would still mean the volume and distance were more than they should've been, moving the entire core of the Earth a bit off center would also be a bit of a feat.
And if you're not a big calc nerd and don't understand what I just said, I can elaborate better and use images to help show my point on discord.
@@SatorisYT Your video is good by the way, it was just really weird for me to see the Orochi feat get to that high when me and other people who calculated the feat rarely get numbers above moon level
Meteoric Burst Boros>Full Power Tatsumaki>Released Boros>Tatsumaki>Armored Boros
Released boros is definitely above Tatsumaki With the Narrative.
@@mrsketchysketch680 well at the very least it would be a close fight between the two before forcing him to go to meteoric burst mode to finish the job, considering both forms are planetary
Armored Boros > Full Power Tatsumaki you mean.
I think the biggest point with gargoyle garou is that Murata said that ONE stated monster garou and boros are around equal in a drawing stream, which is why people hype him up so much
That's normal Boros not metric burst Boros. Casual Saitama was busting up monster Garou but Boros without his limiter was ragdolling Saitama and was stated to be stronger than casual Saitama pre metric burst.
@@sky-oq5mrfirst point: he never said garou scaled to meteoric burst level. He just said "because in stream author said garou=boros and thats why people 0verhype him so much"
Never once implied he said he was on level with burst form. Idk why you are bringing that up.
2nd point: boros did 0 damage to saitama. Seeing meteoric burst did 0 damage.
Well that’s an interesting thumbnail
I saw this title and was reminded of the annoying commenter on your Boros vs S-Class pole. My brain hurts. Ewewewe
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@@SatorisYT Also Btw Satori I wonder if people downscale Boros to make Saitama or Garou (the more well liked characters) stronger. Idk just a guess
@@animatorbroman3710 Possibly
Out of curiosity who do you think would win in a fight, Boros or Freeza (pre DBS)?
Frieza has better scaling IMO.
Boros has a planet-destroying blast as his ultimate attack, Frieza has a planet-destroying blast as a normal attack
Okay, but who you got if Tats got two Garou style big "zenkai boosts" first? Could she at least take on released at that point?
Maybe
I definitely do think that Boros in his released form would one shot Tatsumaki Without the huge or invisible barrier + I am pretty Sure That Without Saitama & Blast existing, Boros would fodder the Entire Earth with low Diff.
did you forget the facts that tatsumaki spanked saitama around for five chapters. plus, saitama said that he couldn't control her. based on those feats, i think tatsumaki can easily handle the denominator of the universe! 😳🤯🤭😆😆😆😆😆
@@fitnessstuff915 Boros is a Star Buster, Tatsumaki's maximum Feats And Statements put her at Small Planet Level.
@@fitnessstuff915 Plus When he Said He Couldn't Control Her, He Meant He Couldn't Stop Her from Destroying Everything, You Know What Would Have Happened If Saitama Used a Normal Consecutive Punches on Her, Plus I Don't Her Having any Abilities To Stop Boros From Regenerating from Small Chunks.
@@fitnessstuff915 Tatsumaki is not any where near Close to the same League as Boros or Cosmic Garou. And Saitama was actively trying to accidentally defeat her
@@mrsketchysketch680 oh really?
1. when did saitama, boros, or cosmic garou tank a punch god but continue to fight?
2. when did saitama defeat psykos-orochi, two monsters who received extra powers from god?
3. when did saitama save the s-class heros?
4. when did saitama fight most of the monster association executives?
5. when did saitama rip the monster association headquarters out of the ground and end the monster association arc?
6. when did saitama check to make sure everyone was safe and evacuated before they destroyed stuff?
7. when did saitama try to rescue psykos?
8. where in the one punch man encyclopedia does it say that saitama''s supernatural abilities are the fruit of a divine realm?
9. where in the opm encyclopedia does it say saitama's powers can move all creation? 🤯🤯🤯
10. where in the opm encyclopedia does it say saitama's body contains a "bottomless" well of power?
11. when did saitama pull a meteor from the asteroid belt and send it to earth?
12. and when did saitama talk about dimensional travel and warping?
Woah I got here 7 minutes in. Time to hear another opinion :)
Another banger
You saying 10 second genos can beat bulky garou on your tier list. Makes me wonder what you think about what lighting core genos can do.
The tier list is based mostly off of raw power, not overall combat ability, eith the only exception being Platinum S' placement.
did you take some of those scans from my video they looked cropped the same way as mine were? (fyi im not mad or anything just curious)
Yeah lol. That was the fastest way for me to find them
Could you tell me what fan manga made the panel at 0:10, I wanna read it.
It’s a fan made pannel I think
Boros had a prophecy only saitama could defeat him so he would destroy everyone except blast and saitama
He'd destroy blast as well. Blast ain't durable.
Can you do blast vs boros and cosmic garou pre awakening no saitama mode
Cosmic garou and boros should win
No Saitama doesn't matter you should say copy mode
Bro that 0:44 tatsumaki image😂😂😂😂
If boros break his limiter and get a cosmic boost
Saitama will go berserker to defeat him
Can you do a scaling video for the cadres? Especially some of the low tiers like Nian and Gums, who seems to be just to demon level
Didn't he make a video that ranked the Cadres?
I did sort of make a video on that. Maybe I didn't go as in depth eith a lot of the lower tier Cadres as I could have.
@@SatorisYT watched it, more like an actual strength measurement, because there are a lot of different opinions within the community, according to vsbattlewiki spring mustachio should be able to one shot Gums for example
@@ultimate_capper3643 yeah, but it was more like A>B, not how strong is A or B
@@SatorisYTi was hoping in that video you would give solid calcs and tiers for above dragon cadres like eow SC, and psycho orochi
Tatsumaki’s speed is pretty high because Psyhos actually speed blitz Flashy Flash.
When Psyhos flew past Flashy Flash and Saitama, Flashy Flash couldn’t even recognize what flew by while Saitama actually saw that it was a woman who flew by.
So if Psyhos can speed blitz Flashy Flash, then Tatsumaki’s speed is far greater.
I know this argument. The main problem with it is that Psychos flew by completely out of nowhere while Flashy was doing other things, so You can argue it was because Flash was off guard and such.
It's an argument, but I don't think it's an undeniable argument personally.
That should be the reaction speed
You can’t scale Boros speed, since he has only fought heavily suppressed saitama, who is by far the fastest character in the show atm, so we cant decide if tats is faster
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Flashy Flash wasn’t doing anything when Psyhos showed up. Flashy Flash was just riding on mine cart and talking to Saitama, he wouldn’t be caught off guard doing that because he is in a monster lair so he would keep his guard up.
But regarding your Tatsumaki vs Garou video, Tatsumaki’s speed would scale far higher. Making it less likely for Garou to win.
I think there's truly an important question we must ask. Were the invaders with boros simply different types of aliens from different planets being their own species. OR were these aliens potentially monsters from different planets in which there were no heroes to stop the monster takeover on these planets? I think if the situation were the ladder, it could give insight on how much of a threat Boros was compared to villians which followed after. It could be the possibility that Boros was initially only a Monster King on a planet, but then became a Space Pirate and ended up recruiting basically other Monster Kings or fighting them across the galaxy, whilst just remaining the strongest. That is my personal headcanon I suppose, but it is how I always interpreted the story.
could these invaders simply be captives that come from a variety of planets that boros conquered and forced into boros' service?
ive also read some fan theory that said boros was another one of god's avitars (like homeless emperor, and psykos) who god sent to dominate the earth.
@@fitnessstuff915 I do believe that they are either captives or recruits depending on the resistance or submission each race or monster may have posed. As for the God situation, I cannot say about whether Boros was influenced, however, I do believe he was a unique being almost.
Unrelated to the topic, but I must add one thing here. ONE himself couldn't say years ago who would win between Garou and Boros.
That was years ago before Awakened Garou was introduced in the manga. So i think it's safe to say that manga Garou has greaters feats than webcomic Garou. I belive you see where I'm going with this.
Anyways Boros easily defeats Tatsumaki tho.
Are the audiobooks cannon.
Boros had one of the most powerful psychics as his subordinate. This is already enough to say Tatsumaki is fodder to Boros.
Yes right? In my head Canon Gyrunganshoop or whatever ever he was called, would be a about the level of Tatsumaki, maybe not stronger than her, but in the same Ball Park
@@rcengineer8159that dude could create black holes at will.
@@rcengineer8159 yeah well that is your headcanon. the manga says otherwise. unfortunately like boros, he faced saitama.
@@tc-channelhobby4051 so there is a source that says he stronger?
@@rcengineer8159 the anime and manga? forget continents, geryuganshoop can literally create black holes with ease. He just had the misfortune of fighting of fighting saitama.
Boros seemed weak because he was up against Saitama 😅 Tarsumaki didn't got wrecked as easy as Boros... and that doesn't say much either. By we have to remember Boros had the galaxis strongest esper as his Lieutenant becuase he could beast him eazy.
Personally I rank Saitama, Blast, Boros then Tarsumaki
Boros still wins, but just because Saitama doesn’t have hair doesn’t mean he did not break his limiter yet. His hair fell off because it couldn’t keep on in fights and because Saitama broke his limiter. He probably broke his limiter a year or year and a half into training
Armoured boros is universal+
Released boros is planetary
Meteoric burst is large plant to star level
armord boros is what
Boros=star lvl
Tatsumaki=multi continental
Conclusion:Boros Stomps
Boros is my pookie. Happy November Satori!
Thanks! Happy November to You too!
The cover statement doesn't make sense as a valid statement due to the fact Boros did worse to Saitama when he hit Meteoric Burst, but Saitama seemed to fine afterwards. How are we gonna get confirmation that saitama took damage in Boro's suppressed form yet zero mention of damage when Boros did a infinite combo on Saitama that ended with blasting Saitama to the moon? It just seemed inconsistent to me.
In the manga, Boros only throws two attacks at Saitama in Meteoric Burst any that's enough to get Saitama to say "This is almost a real fight" afterwards. And then he goes on to block every hit Boros throws at him after. As for the anime, I've covered that in my original Boros video.
@SatorisYT I forgot the anime added some combat. For the manga, we have to still ask: is the initial Meterouc Burst speed blitz punch and kick that sent Saitama flying to the moon greater than or equal to the earlier energy blast and the behind-the-head punch that "caused damage" to Saitama? I would think it is stronger due to it the sheer destructive power and being able to knock Saitama around.
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I think the answer to that is pretty simple: The damage is probably all internal aswell as minor.
Think about it, when someone gets punched really hard in real life its not like their skin will rip open or smth, atleast not usually. It will just hurt a lot and you maybe get a bruise.
So the "damage" Saitama received from released Boros are just scratches at best and if in meteoric burst the damage he received was multipled by a big amount it would likely still not be enough to cause any visible injuries.
Also Boros never claimed that Saitama was seriously hurt or smth. His whole point was proving that Saitama is capable of being injured, even if only a tiny bit, and that eventually he would wear him down because he can regenerate and Saitama cant.
He would make tatsumaki his bithc 😂
I do think tatsumaki folds released boros bc lack of feats high diff
Boros is likely resistant to psyhcic powers, but i do not have proof
Boros low-mid diffs in meteoric burst
With which diff full power Tats beats Armored Boros?
Probably low-mid. Armored Boros' best scaling would place him above Orochi. There's one way You can get him to planet level, but even with that, Tats should still take it mid diff.
@@SatorisYT I remember that you used to say in one of your first live streams that Tats vs Armored Boros would be a good match. You even said that you would give the edge to Boros. Peoples's mind change I guess. 😄
@@sametbalc1812 Yeah, my views have changed a lot since then.
@@SatorisYT I don't wanna scale any characters anymore. Powerscaling is just very weird to some extent. I guess I'll just follow the series without getting into scaling too seriously, maybe just for fun like you do.
And probbaly you know me by now Satori. We have had a lotta chats in the comment section and the live streams. I discovered your channel through What If Boros turned good series. I really enjoy your content. Keep up the good work!
boros too fast for the lost child
Boros accidentally looks up her dress mid fight and dies from blood loss so intense that it outpaces his regen🗿
Tatsumaki negative diff
i think that opm is a great series for power scaling tho i am comparing to dragonball that lost all meaning of powerscaling after frieza saga
Tatsumaki can’t even defaet boros’s ship , While boros destroy it by just moving lmao
@llllllllllllll_. What you want trying to say , Boros gonna one shots tatsumaki no doubt.
@llllllllllllll_. Tatsumaki only dose 1% of damage what are you on😂
@llllllllllllll_. Cause she was ranked 2 hero But sadly get one shots by boros
@@mysterym4519Tatsumaki is clearly sixth strongest character in opm. Neither higher nor lower
@@dimass4031 Kid sixth and fiveth was big difference with power level.
OPM is the best series in power scaling beacuse you have tons of feats to talk about it
i have opm hypothetically dimensionally scaled to outerversal based on genos' third scenario - the state space of quantum mechanics which includes infinite-dimensional hilbert space. opm is also platonically outerversal because cosmic garou called himself "absolute evil".
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@@freddmonster8769 theoretically, scenario 3, the quantum mechanics theory can contain infinite-dimensional hilbert space (2ℵ0). 2ℵ0 might be bigger than ℵ1 (ℵ0 being hyperversal), ℵ1 low outerversal, making 2ℵ0 outerversal+. so, if they used this scenario/method to execute the reversal, then they're actually outerversal+!
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The thing is, we dont know how truly strong psychorochi was. Its possible that the beam which sliced off part of the earth could also slice the entire earth in half or possibly more. Since tatsumaki at full concentration defeated psychorochi with relative ease she COULD be planetary
I think she's planetary pretty casually.
Well i believe that the beam that psykorochi initiated was a casual beam. Also i believe she is AT LEAST high multi- continental though she’s probably a few bits away of reaching moon level in my eyes. Since tats literally negged her(i believe she still was taking the fight seriously at that moment) i’d say she’s low-mid planetary level
@@womanofinfinity5773 i agree with satori i think she is planetary pretty casually
tatsumaki is large planet level lol. even Psykorochi is since Orochi was already casually in the triple zettaton range. Incomplete Psykorochi outscaled the Gaia Cannon. Not his regular attacks. Same Gaia Cannon that Saitama one shotted with 0 effort was something Psykorochi thought they could beat.
@Brendan-kx8iy yeah I agree but at the time I made this comment tatsumaki downplay was standard
Maybe tatsumaki vs mob next?
I haven't seen or read Mob Psycho yet. I tried getting into it, but the first 2 episodes of the anime really weren't my thing. I might give it another go sometime though.
Mob has only at best ever been scaled to Multi-Continental. If Orochi's small planet feat is to be taken at face value, she one shots Mob with ease. However, Mob was never really challenged in his series as he was able to effortlessly nullify the combined attacks of Toichiro and Sho Suzuki (former being 2nd/3rd strongest character in the verse, while the latter should be in the top 10) in his ???% mode.
@@ultimate_capper3643 I think you meant former top 10 and latter top 2/3
@@ultimate_capper3643 one once said tatstumaki can defeat normal mob but if he gonna be serious there is no clear answer
@@GigaChairOne also said that Boros and Garou are equal in power. I don't think we can use the "he said she said" argument here.
I think you’re power scaling is not correct i think monster garou was alone a god level threat and boros is a solar system level threat
I wonder what it would look like if all of S class fought comsic garou (no radiation) (no king memes)
14:37 is that your tier list? Because no form of Boros has business being on the same level as Cosmic Garou wtf. Everyone knows Boros is strong, but he's totally not on the same level as Cosmic Garou. You spent a good amount of time comparing Tatsumaki and Boros' fight against Saitama, so why not do the same with Boros and Garou. Cosmic Garou was trading blows with freaking Serious Punches, whereas Boros almost died with just one of those. There's your comparison. I could already tell the way you were describing Boros in this video that you're one of those stans that glorifies him and would still argue that Boros can hang with Cosmic Garou, but seeing Boros being put on the same level as Cosmic Garou is the last confirmation.
That's INITIAL Cosmic Garou on the same tier as Boros, not anywhere near his peak and not the one who was trading blows with Saitama.
Boros slams tatsumaki and hes gonna pee on her dead body cause of her anoyingness
Nah bro boros be clapping both ways
The he took damage was never said in the anime so it’s not canon
ITS A FUCKING HEAD COVER OF CORSE THEY DIDNT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT. ALSO IF THE ANIME DOESNT SAY IT IT DOESNT MEAN ITS NOT CANNON ITS A BOOK COVER YOUR ACTING LIKE THE ANIME IS JUST GONNA SAY “the head cover for this episode is he took damage” MAYBE DONT RELY ON ANIMES AND STOP
BEING A LAZY FUCK AND JUST READ THE MANGA
Didn't Saitama say in a audiobook that he gets stronger with each day, that in itself proves Saitama is stronger in the monster association arc, let alone post Cosmic Garou Saitama. Also do you think Saitama retained his strength with his future self or not, I don't know. If he does, that puts the fight up in the air for me since Tatsumaki doesn't have the same speed feats boros does, though do you believe Boros is fast enough to get through Tatsumaki's shield before she can get a hold of him with her planetary tk powers
I go into the whole audio book Saitama gets stronger debacle in Mt original Boros video.
It's unclear if Saitama still has his strength. He lost his memories and that's all we know. We won't be able to tell unless it's specifically addressed at some point.
He is already limitless can't get stronger than infinity.
@@sky-oq5mrhe clearly is not infinity. Seeing infinite AP=infinite DC. So even a single punch would have destroyed everything to exist. And it is not like saitama has ki control like that. Plus saitama did not kill boros's with that serious punch shockwave or he did just not in 1 punch. Even infinite speed air would kill anything with finite power. So that levek would have erased boros. Also if saitama had infinite strength/Ap boros would have died first punch. Especially seeing saitama was intending to kill and saitama shown multiple times not being able to tell the PL of other characters as well. And if he did why would he not kill boros if thats all he needed? There ya go infinite strength/Ap debunked.
@@tonggtiei you are using logic of the real world in a show where a sneeze can shatter Jupiter from earth. No point in talking further bro, you're crazy lmfao.
@@sky-oq5mr so no valid argument then calling me goofy or ad hominem.
It’s made because tatsumki was the most power ful hero besides saitama who could face Boros at the time
Tatsumaki is clearly sixth strongest character in opm. Neither higher nor lower
6. Tatsumaki
5. Boros
4. Blast
3. Cosmic Fear Garou
2. God/Saitama
1. God/Saitama
I 100% agree, at least when it comes to characters we can actually scale. People like Blast's team and the ninja village leader are likely stronger, we just don't have anything concrete yet.
@@SatorisYT 8:02 where is this image from? Boros vs Tats
Im fan of Tatsumaki and she is the only one i like in OPM characters but i dont think she can win againts Boros
Boris fought a weaker saitama if saitama where to inconter him he would 1 shot him
the boros neg diff
Goribus vs king the two strongest
That's a great video idea!
Can you make this as April fools idea? Cosmic fear goribus or king
@@user-ct2hb4jq4t That's what came to mind immediately after reading Your comment (:
I like how Boros' AP and his race in general can be compared to Sayians
I always thought he was a mix of Vegeta and Frieza.
Blast beats both of them at the same time.
Blast is not durable enough. If Boros hits him he will most likely die. Boros scales to cosmic Garou
@sky-oq5mr blast took no damage from the serious punch squared Shockwave. Blast is durable enough. He speed blitz boros and one shots him.
@@owensilva9224 blast is not faster than Boros. Boros was destroy everything by just moving. Also a shockwave ain't the punch. Also I tend to forget the manga and anime ain't the real canon stuff. In the webcomic that shit never happened. It's non canon
@sky-oq5mr then why you talking to me.
@@sky-oq5mrLol lil bro thinks reacting to serious Saitama is slower than Boros.
boros kinda stomps
Ant meet tank.
I personally think chapter 166 , literaly showed us mb boros was much stronger than we though
if you belive parallel panels , it was shown that he was kinda stronger to cosmic fear garou initial (without copy) , it seemed that he was equal in terms of speed and strengh and he had csrc and regenration so I would say mb boros + csrc > cosmic fear garou initial (without copy)
btw I didn't count grb as initial cosmic garou cuz he used it after copying casual saitama
so I really don't see why boros vs tatsumaki should be even a debate
Sincerly using a similar art panel Is absolute bullshit
@@Danilo-tk1tj while I totaly respect your oppinion and that might be true, but I personally just don't see saitama getting surprised of only two persons speed which are mb boros and cs garou initial is a coincidence . and I belive murata put the parallel panel indicating saitama being surprised for a reason.
Good video but cease this Garou slander
Never!
@@SatorisYT Any point after he kills Sage he becomes the Tatsumaki slayer 😤
and Saitama slander, bros normal punches scale above Gamma Ray Bursts
Boros neg diffs
First to be clear I think Boros would win, in this fight due to many reasons, but I just want to point out that the Saitama that Tatsumaki fought is a lot stronger than the one with Boros, and the reason why is that Saitama would grow stronger by a stupidly large amount if he faced any real challenge, as we saw many times in the story, and I don't think that Saitama should be injured real badly or something to start growing more, so based on this argument, I would say Saitama from Tatsumaki fight is stronger than Saitama from Boros fight, and that will make their match-up more interesting.
wow! that's an interesting theory. but I think tatsumaki faked her fight with saitama and pretended to throw a temper tantrum in order to bait saitama into a fight and distract everyone's attention away from the fubuki - psykos rescue operation.
i believe this because way back in chapter 176, tatsumaki tells fubuki "im gonna put on a little act and i need your help." looks to me as if tatsumaki and fubuki planned to rescue psykos all along. and that "little act" she mentioned, was tatsumaki intentionally getting into a fight with saitama. 🤯
Wrong. Every argument you are using for Boros was already debunked so many times and yet you never address any counter arguments that were made. No wonder you have this matchup backwards. For starters, scaling Saitama to Boros is nonsense, because we learn Saitama was holding back significantly against Boros the whole time, from Boros himself. So no, his punch he used at the start was not some baseline punch you can scale to other punches like Orochi punch. His serious punch was not a truly bloodlusted punch that you can scale to his fight against Garou. Saitama was holding back, because he sees eye to eye with Boros's dream of finding someone strong enough to fight. Saitama punched a lot of monsters and humans before with a variety of different intentions and achieved lots of different effects. He didn't kill the Frog monster that came spying on his house on behalf of Genus, and he punched him to the ground with no visible mercy. He didn't kill Sneck, even though he found him really annoying and absolutely caved his face in when he provoked him. There is no reason you are entitled to reasonably scaling punches Boros took to any other event after we learn that Saitama was holding back. At that point, punches become impossible to calculate, and simply have to be calculated separately, based off their own feats.
The best calc Boros has is for his moon kick, which is multi-continental. Nothing compared to Tatsumaki. The only reason Boros can potentially damage Tatsumaki is if he is able to tag her with his collapsing star canon, but it's a predictable, linear attack, so it's unlikely Tatsumaki couldn't just dodge it like she could Psykos's lasers.
wow! spot on!
i hope he replies to your comments. i would really like to read his counter arguments.
personally, i think this content creator is just a tatsumaki hater.
By your very own logic, Tatsumaki caps at multi continental as well and Orochi's core feat is just country level.
@@fitnessstuff915I think you're just spreading misinformation and wank.
"Scaling Saitama to Boros is nonsense" bro, how would you be able to scale him otherwise? It's his one SINGLE fight we see in the series
Tatsumaki negs
Bible truth
I 100% think tatsu beats boros. Remember Saitama get way stronger by just existing like 1 shot levels above himself frm the previous day and alot of time has passed since then so using his feats against that weaker saitama isnt cutting it for me
wow, nice! i totally agree. i also think she can beat saitama!🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
the one punch man hero encyclopedia or guidebook says that tatsumaki's supernatural abilities are the fruit of a divine realm, her powers can move all creation, and her body contains a "bottomless" well of power. 🤯
@@fitnessstuff915Fallacy upon fallacies. Unless this comment is a joke.
My head hurts reading these dumbass comments. Pls tell me you're trolling.
@@hissatsu4937me too