I remember acting in this scene. I'm the guy that says "I wouldn't do that Sir" and then gets fired. I looked forward so long to seeing this in the final edit of the movie, and was shattered when I didn't see it, at the time of shooting, I was told this was a very important scene in the movie. I was auditioned on the spot by James Cameron, it was an awesome experience.
Wow. I’m happy to hear from you but also so sorry for you at the same time. When I went to the theater to see the rereleased Extended Cut, I was hoping so hard that either this scene or “Avatars Attack” would be in it because Selfridge needed to get his humiliation closure. But I’m glad to hear your story and now others can too.
... And travelling back home another 5 years, lol. By the way all humans would leave Pandora a few days after this scene takes place, so he wouldn't be the only one to lose his job.
i'm feeling almost sorry for Parker. the guy came here to supervise a mining mission with maybe a side of border violence that he didn't necessay think he would take part in. he may have been annoyed by Grace but he did allow her the research. he also alowed the Hometree destruction but only when Quaritch promissed to start with dispersing people before the attack itself. he even gave the team 1 hour extra time once he got the dude off his neck. He sure as hell wasn't an environmentalist, but even a money motivated prick like him understands that a military putch and a genocide are bad. i wouldn't be surpised if in the 2nd movie it turned out that while everyone was out there fighting he was making some important calls with his higher ups back on Earth. would they listen to him and persecute those who return back home? who knows. but the dude has enough pride to make their life as difficult as he possibly can with the limited power he has.
Yeah, they really should've kept this scene. (From what I remember) in the movie it seems like Parker and Quaritch are on the same page. However, this scene shows that Quaritch is basically insane and taking over the entire operation. Really dumb to cut this one. Perhaps I'm mistaken and there were still scene(s) that showed this, but I don't think so.
definitely should've kept it in the final cut, partly because it helped to humanize Parker a bit more. this, combined with the look of horror on his face when Hometree was destroyed sold the whole "my god what have I done/I'm way over my head" epiphany he had. unfortunately by that point it was far too late and Quaritch had effectively staged his coup. Parker was a pencil pusher, all about the company's bottom line, but even he had a shred of humanity when it came down to it
Exactly, he's very much about convincing the Na'vi to move so he can strip mine, but he's not into extermination and killing. He's fine with the guns around for defending the mining operation but not to actively go out of their way to bomb the Na'vi to bits.
Generally Hollywood movies, let alone blockbusters, do not favor any nuance to the characters, especially villains. Realistically, Quaritch shouldn't be oozing 'evil', either but should be quite justifiable from his POV.
@@MasterUxi I think the same, actually my fav character is Quaritch, is so disciplined, has a strong personality and also huge intelligence. I think he is kind of "out of context", I saw other war and scifi scenarios like Clone wars and I think Quaritch would be such an interesting hero and commander in another battlefront, figthing against the Separatists, the arachnids on klendathu, Skynet or the Matrix, not primitive Navis. In another war he would have guide humans to victory and order, but he just ended up as the villain on a primitive planet, leading a massacre of inocents. Still my fav character
@303en Exactly, "a war hero that lost the way after decades of commanding mercenaries in a non-ideoligical but corporative mission", I have thought that too. That he just "has spent TOO much time in Pandora, awaiting his next great military strike to continue his "war hero career", but instead just gets to play endless diplomatical games that he hates"
Why did they left this out? This scene gives a deeper look into the characters of both Parker and Quaritch. Especially Parker. His actions in this scene goes well with his look of horror when the Hometree was destroyed.
I'd say because it shows that large numbers of the soldiers wiped out gleefully by the Navi were just miners and refinery workers coaxed into fighting by the villain. Seeing the mercenaries get wrecked was fine but cheering as a flying dinosaur rips apart some innocent forklift operator who was told he was fighting for his survival would leave a bad taste in peoples mouths. At the same time, it reduces the sense of threat. In the final film it looks like the heroes are up against a well equipped army. This scene depicts them as incredibly limited on ammunition and manpower, largely composed of untrained militia and further emphasizes their desperate use of improvised explosives.
Because then the environmental moral of the story would've been lost. In the original version is a critique on american coroporativism, militarism, colonialism and lack of environmental sensitivity. With this scene, the villain is no longer collective, but a single individual that went rogue.
The only reason I can imagine this was cut for is keeping the audience perspective of the “good guys” as good during the final battle. The scene specifies that a lot of these men are not mercs but miners being sent to their death by a crazed general. They probably didn’t want to build sympathy for people that get wrecked by Eywa. However it really pushes Quaritch as the main antagonist and that the battle will only end by taking him down. I also like seeing that one merc loading one of those giant knives we see Quaritch use later. Surprisingly a lot going on in this one small scene, bummer it was cut
It's really only cut for pacing. Avatar kinda had to play it safe in order to not fatigue audiences and actually make a profit, so the runtime was cut down significantly compared to what was actually filmed and conceptualized for the film
This actually explains a little bit about some of Parker's facial expressions once they started to engage the Na'Vi as hostiles!! In earlier scenes he showed little to no remorse as the excavators approached their holy site....but once he saw the engagement at Home Tree you could see the concern in his face. I always wondered why there was such a change in his personality!! As subtle as it was, it was still noticable!!
He never wanted to go to war, all he wanted was home tree, he thought they would leave, he didn’t know people would actually die, he feels guilty and finally comes to his sense’s.
@@mannyoommen2768 ehhh, idk. Jury is still out for me on that. The way I see it, no one has to die before a war is started!! If someone is trying to force me from my home, there's gonna be a war....and someone is gonna die!! Parker should've realized this IF his heart was in the right place from the beginning!!
His greed was getting the better of him earlier in regards to the unobtanium found on the Omaticaya Home tree. However, Parker had some form of humanity in him. He only wanted the Navi to leave peacefully, which was the whole point of why he gave both Jake and Grace more time to convince them. When Quatrich defied a direct order to stand down by attacking them and causing bloodshed, Parker confronted him for the deed. Because of the attack on the Navi and destroying potentially millions of dollars worth of unobtanium, he lost his trust and faith in Quatrich. Parker tried to assert his command again to force Quatrich to stand down. Unfortunately being more experienced as a soldier and a leader, he attacked Parker and usurped him as a leader.
@@ladyfire44You raise really good points. The whole reason why humans were there to begin with was to mine unobtanium, not start an endless war with natives. Most people tend to forget this
Wow this is just.... Wow i though Parker was kind of like Quaritch but no, at least he showed that he wasn't as evil as him, when he tried to stop it, was too late...this scene is gold.
I think its exactly, why its not in the final cut, because it totally changes his character and the director chose to portray Parker as the money hunger evil guy.
I like this scene because it shows Selfridge having a "right choice, wrong reason" mindset. He doesn't want a scorched earth response towards the Na'vi, not because it would be morally wrong, but because the loss of equipment and personnel would be bad for the bottom line. I like it when villains are complex and bad for different reasons.
Parker was bothered by hometree and the potential of kids blood on his hands. The problem here is he let the situation get this far and it out of his control
No he definitely felt it was wrong at least in some way, that’s why he also lets Jake enter the avatar body to warn the na'vi about the attack on the hometree. He had no objective reason to do this. He’s no military jingoist, he doesn’t want a conflict, he just wants to do his business in peace and that doesn’t make him evil. But he simply took this clear stance against quaritch way too late.
Also because I think he recognized that escalating things like this would result in continuous conflict with the Na'vi for years to come. Obviously he didn't expect the Na'vi to outright defeat them, but he knew it would cause problems.
I always thought that “Selfridge” was a play on “selfish”, as in that is his only distinguishing characteristic. I’m glad to know I was wrong! I love Giovanni Ribisi and his character basically disappearing for the third act always felt wrong to me.
I had a 1st sgt that acted extremely like the colonel. He wasn’t a bad guy just super gun ho. He came off extremely tough and hard, but he took care of his men. The guy was a definition of what a leader was. Professional and caring at the same time. I remember I got in a horrible accident and was rushed to the ICU. I wake up at 2 am and here is my 1st sgt in full uniform sitting next to me telling me to get better and relax no need to push yourself. He also told me no matter what your other bosses say, I’ll make you you’re given more than enough time to heal. I got you.
I guess that’s one of my problems I have with this move. My dad served in the Army and when I watched this movie with him, he said the Colonel’s behavior during the cafeteria scene between him and Jake was wrong. A soldier always chooses peace when it’s possible. They do not seek bloodshed. But the thing is, this is not the US Army, this is a PMC. He surrendered his duty to Country for money. But the American Flag imagery throughout the movie suggests Cameron is really pushing the American Imperialism angle with what happened in Vietnam and Iraq. I just hope to god that in the sequels we’ll get more human military allies, like the veterans who stood up to protect the Native Americans at Standing Rock. The Colonial Marines need to have their Honor Restored.
@TheLatiosnlatias02 more like it makes selfridge more human than how he was in the film, humanity is very complicated, not just a bunch of space orcs who only seek to destroy
Oh shit son, Viva La Dirt League's Rowan staring intimidatingly right in the middle of the scene at 1:47 :D he's also front and centre of the briefing where Quaritch tells the soldiers how many more Na'Vi are assembling at the Tree of Souls, but that scene actually made the final cut :D
How could they take that out? Really helps develop Selfridge's character of realizing this is going too far. I also like seeing the Marines mobilize and recruit the miners into a militia. Palace Coup indeed. Hopefully Logan got his job back.
I kinda hope Logan doesn’t. He doesn’t deserve to potentially lose his life to a bunch of oversized smurfs and a human who wanted to clap some alien cheeks. Logan deserves better than that.
Having watched avatar 2 now, i suspect this may have been cut when Cameron decided to bring back Quaritch (something I didn't like at all). Had Selfridge and him had this altercation, there's no way that selfridge would have greenlit the creation of avatars for Quaritch and his goons. Despite it ruining Selfridge's arc from Avatar 1 it was a necessary cut to ensure that Cameron's vision for 2 made sense.
@@standepain Most Hollywood stars are on temporary roid cycles or HGH, doesn’t mean they don’t workout hard tho the physical specimen still deserves respect especially at such an age. You make it sound like you just pop some HGH and do no serious work
@@rhysnichols8608 I never said he didn't work out or work like a fiend but by 40 your testosterone production starts slowing down and by the time men are in mid 50s it basically comes to a screeching so he most likely on HGH not only to look good to get action roles but health reasons too.
This is why I hate watching DELETED SCENES, What were they thinking. Keep the good parts that explain characters motivations and conflicts. Makes for a better story. It also gives a different perspective when this character is boarding the shuttle at the end of the movie.
@DSW22 "Na'vi are disgusting and backwards" the humans were once backwards and what do you mean by "disgusting" exactly? You know that shit goes both ways, right?dumbass. We could be invaded and subjugated by a much more advanced species and they'd say the same thing about us, Disgusting and backwards.
And it definitely adds more to the story and it explains a lot of things in the movie that were seen weird because there wasn't any explanation for any of them.
I agree that the scene was definitely cool to watch, but in the end it turned Quaritch into a hot-headed jerk. Even if he was in charge for the moment, this action and attacking your boss would certainly have had consequences in the long term. After all, he is also just an employee of the company who needs paying.
@@KYoung-kj7hr I'm not defending Quaritch in any way, but it's possible he preferred to fight this battle for his "honor" and the alleged safety of the base and its personel than thinking of the consequences upon returning to Earth
This is an awesome scene. In it you see just how much influence RDA has, but when it comes to a military threat, Quaritch couldn’t care less about the power RDA has. It’s his arena and he will do anything and everything in his power to eliminate the threat. It’s why I’ve always seen him as the excellent opposite to Jake and why I’m glad he’s returning in AWOW.
This scene should make it to the final cut. It shows Parker in a better light which is good because without it he's kinda like a cartoon villain. It also shifts a lot of blame from Parker to the military. Shows that Parker wasn't as bad as he seemed, there were lines he wouldn't cross. But he trusted his power too much. When he realized what's about to happen - it was no longer about him. Parker as an office guy who's only brave from behind his desk but gets screwed easily by the cruel mercenary and loses control works better IMO than the way he is in the final cut. It's a bit weird how in final cut Parker just dissapears without any explanation.
It also makes Quaritch more threatening. As he points out, Parker may have the ability to fire him, but any attempt to forcibly remove him would take five years. Because he’s the strongest, he actually holds all the power in this scenario. It’s a bit like that part in The Dark Knight Rises where the guy says he paid Bane and Bane says “and you think this gives you power over me?” before killing him.
Colonel Quaritch might have been an hero back on 🌎 earth. He an U.S. Marine, officer & gentleman. As for being station on Pandora as time passes by then he gotten so edgey & was so eager to start a "WAR" with the Na'Vi. He turned from officer into a mercenary, was waiting just right opportunity to get it started. So he pulls a coup over Parker authority, even on moments he realizes for he has done & what was happening there's nothing he can't do to stop it. In a way he wasn't so heartless as Quaritch is. By look on his eyes, see nothing but death & destruction. He's gone beyond service..he's a warlord. Parker felt scared & so out of place, out of his league.
christian nguyen if we go to wars using that kind of logic, we should’ve been nuking the Middle East to oblivion. You shouldn’t use *every* single asset in your arsenal.
Ande Zong well I was speaking that from a private military’s perspective. They don’t have nukes even today because it’s illegal and Impractical. Cost of decontaminating and repairing things is just too high. Just not smart He isn’t private security as there task is to protect the property. He’s a mercenary as he could be on the offensive. This attack would’ve put fear into their hearts
There is a full version of this movie? like a special dvd edition or something? I know the director´s cut, and it is awesome, but there are many many good scenes out.
This scene has a massive impact on the storyline. It completely changed the audience's perception of these two men. This was definitely a needed scene. Big mistake leaving it out.
Stephen Lang is just such a great actor. As Quatrich you can’t take your eyes of him, the every expression, pitch of the voice is always on point. 1:06 you see the annoyance in his face cause he knows what he’s doing is insane but must continue because he believes it’s for the safety of his crew.
it even hints at his recom revival when he does that na'vi-like hiss, I doubt Cameron thought that far ahead, but maybe he thought about bringing him back acter reviewing his own work
This is an important scene that changes the whole dynamic of Quartrich vs. the corporate weasel Parker and who's really in charge of what. It should have been kept in the movie.
It really shows how tied his hands were and how much he wanted to avoid violence. I think most of us don't think how heavily violence can weigh on a decent leader trying to avoid it. Especially if things spin out of control.
Parker may not have had the same respect and consideration of the na'vi as Jake did but he knew where to draw the line. Guy was simply in charge when things went south and in over his head
Scenes like this are so important for the context of the second film. I feel like people watching the second film are asking why the Colonel is a bit more crazy and it’s scenes like this that help to show the viewer why he is like he is
Idk if crazy is the right word. Scarred or numb is the right word. Is he an evil man? No I don’t believe he is. You see how he treats his men with respect and dignity. Does he do evil things? Absolutely. He’s a soldier whose seen unspeakable things and has seen more death and destruction than most could even imagine. He does make efforts to minimize casualties (before the army started to form after Jake rallies them) and has repeated attempts to negotiate with the people of pandora with minimal results other than the repeated attacks on his men. He’s facing An enemy 2000 strong and makes the tough call to attack before all his men are slaughtered. He’s by no means innocent but calling him evil or crazy is completely missing the context of his character
Small detail but one thing I like about this deleted scene is the way Quaritch almost like, hisses/growls when he grabs Parker, a very primal reaction with his small moment of rage. Which also, if you've seen the ATWOW, is very ironic.
The thing I like about many of these cut scenes is that they don’t retcon anything. This could have all happened just off screen. So this scene right here could be 100% canon just that it happened offscreen.
I think its safe to say that this scene is not canon, and was cut for a reason. And that reason being Quaritchs ressurection as Avatar in A2. They would not ressurect a guy who did military coup, and then failed miserably. Cutting this scene make it seems like Quaritch was still being within the confines of Corpos orders, and as such, candidate for Avatar Marine.
You don’t get it. Yes, the scene of them in Avatar 2 most certainly did happen hours /before/ this deleted scene altercation. The problem is that RDA still resurrected the colonial and his goons as recombanants /way after/ this deleted scenes palace coup. If this deleted scene was in the final cut of the movie, there’s no way in fuck Selfridge and RDA corp would have gone through with resurrecting the colonel and rehiring him after launching a military coup against the mining company. Cool scene of Avatar was a stand alone movie. But with what happens in Avatar 2, this scene breaks continuity and makes no sense.
This movie & world never ceases to amaze me. Its futuristic without being too techy, otherworldly without being confusing. Even though this scene looks like any other action movie it still interesting & investing despite taking place in such a vibrant planet. Not to mention every performance in the film has so much heart & energy behind it
And in one conversation we see the real motivation behind the characters; One is merely a capitalist who wants to make a name for himself. The other a Warmonger hungry for his seat at the head of the table. It just shows you that one brief moment can completely alter a character
To be fair to parker, there is back story to why they are after unobtainium. That part gets glossed over to make it just about money. Supposedly a critical energy source to save the human race. They were under pressure. But instead of a movie about conflicting sides, they wanted a good v evil story.
@@icecold9511 Why anyone will need to travel to distant stars for energy sources, if they can built fucktillion orbital solar panels around their own star, or dig for uranium and thorium on nearby planets? And that is without mentioning hydrogen from gas giants which could be used for fusion power plants?
@@icecold9511 Even then considering all the criticality parker still considered the most human option, where as colonel was just out for na'vi blood from the beginning, this was just an excuse.
@@necronlord8274 Pandora is most rich of unobtainium. As home tree has a huge deposit of it and was the closest. Not to mention they needed the ore to continue humanity's space travel back home. Including time wasn't on their side so they didn't have the luxury of waiting.
I agree that Quaritch was clearly the one who dominated this scene. But in the end, Quaritch is still just an employee of a company and going it alone against the instructions of his manager would have had long-term consequences.
If he wanted some leverage against a strong, military man, he should have brought back up...that said, the most Quaritch could do was kill him on the spot, but then he'd be going renegade....the corporate power and connection with powers that be still lie with Parker...it doesn't matter who's bigger
This is the reason why Parker had a frustrated look on his face when the bomber started up. He as well didn't agree with Qurtrich's methods. This is why I love the extended edition.
Parker was right with keeping all the troops/local workers in Hells' gates, even if he knew that about more than 20 Thousand na'vi were gonna overrun the base, the base could have been defended more easily and thanks to Quaritch the na'vi destroyed all the RDA army using home advantage. And i wonder what would have been the plan of Selfridge to deal with the 20k na'vi that were approaching
Well in 1 of the deleted scenes, back at the base an small group of scientist's helping jake on their end. As they manage to get the systems & link back to their avatar's. In the meantime RDA armies are being force to retreat. Reporting an massive unbelievable larger forces that are fighting along side with Na'Vi. As for Parker & the rest of RDA personal were in for a bigger surprise. He may have a small security force that were left behind, while the colonel took almost most of RDA army to the tree of souls. Parker didn't have enough to hold back an entire tribe. Which led him to surrender & was giving an choice leave the planet, carry a message back to earth.
@@tachy1801 That's explained in the movie, the area interfered with electronics and guidance systems which made it impossible to use sophisticated weapons. I think it get's overlooked because it's nothing more then hamfisted justification for explaining why the human forces didn't just bomb them to hell. Also i'd disagree one the colonel using survival as an excuse, the Colonel seems paranoid throughout the film believing that conflict is both inevitable and that the nav'i pose an extreme threat which wasn't being taken seriously. I think his beliefs about survival were genuine and that is what drove him to believe they had to wipe out the nav'i. In his mind it was the only way to ensure not just the survival of the camp but the human race. From the very first meeting with sully the colonel is talking about staying strong the risk of death and describing the Nav'i as hostiles. I think in his mind this was already a war, but he was the only one who could see it.
The more of these deleted scenes I watch, the more I feel bad for Parker. Sure he was a bit of a scummy business man, but he wasn’t an evil dude. He did his best to give Grace all the time she needed while also being realistic with the fact he was in charge of a company
I understand why this scene was cut. It made it feel that the corporate guy was no longer in charge of the operation. It also made the general to much of warmonger. In the film corporate guy already expressed his concerned by allowing the avatar guy some hours to evacuate the native away. Before that too he and the general were already discussing the invasion plans so this deleted scene would’ve conflicted with that because corporate guy gave the okay.
I disagree. It is easy for corporates to push the military machine...but at what cost and can you unpull a trigger...Unfortunately No...especially with the Career minded Military. If you dare say go, " GET the F!@# Out of the WAY!" There has to be safe guards and a party to politic with on the other side and in this case there was none. I am sure there are plenty of those types regretting their ambitions these days.
@@53knight In the film, it shows the military guy being obedient to the cooperate guy, they also always seemed to be respectful to each other position because they're both just there to do the job. Military guy whole point of being there was simply for protection and clear space with vital resources that earth wanted. This scene really doesn't make sense because corporate guy was in all the way in to make sure Pandora's resources was collected. Yeah this scene does show his humanity but him and military guy was still under payrolls from corporate to obtain the resources. Plus they've also agreed to clear the tree as "humane" as possible even if it meant Navi causalities. As long as they're not massacre like what us humans would do to each other. If they were both at odds than it would not make sense in the film because the whole point was Navi against Humans. But if you have Corporate guy and military guy against each other it just adds more confusion imo. The enemies was never them in the first place. The enemies was Human.
ZeroInfinity I think it would’ve been perfect tbh. Yes they discussed the invasion plans, but discussions are different from actions. Once he walked in and saw how the colonel was conducting the invasion (I.E. the bombs and what not). He came to the realization of what he had just agreed to. But by then it was already to late, the Colonel had all the power now. I think the scene would’ve at least given Parker some humanity, instead of making him just be a corrupt corporate tool who only cares about profit.
i see your point and i think youre right. It convoluted an black and white narrative. There is no need for all this moral grey area to humanize the obvious villains.
Well not totally, he discussed about destroying home tree with very limited casualties on the Na vi side, because it wasn't good for the medias, going at total war and destroying something unnecessary for the mission was not part of the plan, we never saw them discuss about an "invasion" Parker never approved Quarich to use everything they had to go at war and potentially ruining the operation
Hell's Gate Coup August 21, 2154 SecOps commander and chief of security, Colonel Miles Quaritch, along with one of his officers, Corporal Lyle Wainfleet, launched a coup d'etat against RDA civilian administrator Parker Selfridge, running Hell's Gate and RDA's operations in Pandora under a military dictatorship. It was generally described as a popular uprising. Due to Quaritch's popularity, Selfridge lost support from the Security Operations as well as from non-combat workers (Mining Operations). It holds the record for being the shortest coup attempt in the history of mankind, lasting in less than 2 minutes. The coup had been generally described as bloodless as Selfridge quickly and de facto relinquished his authority in favor of Quaritch. Quaritch would rule as leader of the Hell's Gate junta from August 21, 2154 until his death after humans' defeat in the Battle of the Tree of Souls on the 22nd of August of the same year. His vacated position would be filled 14 years later by General Frances Ardmore as commander of the Joint Expeditionary Task Force and head of RDA's base of operations in the Bridgehead.
that will all change when Quaritch was resurrected in RDA's own Avatar Program that was militarized to create Na'Vi-Sized SecOps Marine Units in order to level the playing field against the Na'Vi tribe now led by the former human traitor turned Na'Vi Jake Sully, he would later return to Pandora via RDA's Bridgehead Base and would soon be assigned to Gen.Ardmore's JTF unit working with a whole new military force, not only from the air, land and this time...at sea!
This is one scene I really like. It would have added a lot to both Selfridge and Quaritch. The colonel guy is genuinely horrifying when he just... grabs Selfridge like a rabid animal. Would've sold him as a villain even more. And I like that Selfridge isn't the violent type, just greedy. He wants the money without the blood on his hands.
The part where Quaritch snarls at Selfridge, that shows you that Quaritch is a psychopath. The reason why I think Quaritch is a psychopath, it’s because how he enjoys the violence, how he enjoys watching the Na'vi suffer and how manipulative he is, like how he manipulated Jake in Avatar 1, how he manipulated Spider in Avatar: The Way of Water and how he’s gonna manipulate the Ash People in Avatar 3.
I would've liked this scene in the movie because it made Colonel Quaritch an even more awesome villain than he already is and gave more depth to Parker then just a greedy corporate executive (I still loved his character an Giovani's performance btw).
this is a great scene, I don't know why they removed it! it makes the villain guys go beyond just "blue people stinky me want money" like quartich is holding a goddamn military coup, he doesn't want money, he wants power and he wants to rule this planet, way cooler than the one in the final cut. and seeing these two characters but heads makes the whole situation a lot more believable than just them being comically evil.
I like at how Parker is actually the good guy here. It turns him into so much more then just a corporate suit. His cameo in Way of Water would fit better with this scene if he was more pissed off and frustrated because the Colonels video journal likely would have been recorded while all of that was going down. If we ever get a Way of Water extended version they could flesh out the cameo by showing the aftermath of this scene.
I have a bit of a small theory, and it’s gonna sound a little crazy. I see people talking in the comments about how crazy Quaritch is in this scene, and I think I might provide part of that reason. Anyone remember when he met Jake after the Avatar test run? He mentioned how his first time in Pandora resulted in a scar on his head? What if that moment scarred him and made him realize how horrible Pandora was. Now granted, we don’t know how he got it. But it could explain his sorta-hatred for Pandora, and sorta the Na’vi for being an extension of that danger. Just putting it out there.
It’s not a small theory or even a bit crazy, it’s 100% literally a given this was the reason for his hate to pandora life. (Don’t need to read below text but I explain the reasoning for it) Think about it Cocky military top shot comes to an alien planet with most likely the same expectations as his experience from the wars on earth, to assert dominance over the enemy. First day on pandora and he suffers a severe scar to his head, basically almost killing him. Knowing Quaritch such an experience wouldn’t humble him, but he would double down and develop a strong hate to pandora. Not to mention he can’t particularly go in gun blazing or go out and actively kill Na’Vi since the scientists have a peace agreement with many of the indigenous tribes. The battle at Home Tree is basically an excuse to not exact his own personal revenge but commit genocide to the people which prevent him and grunts from controlling pandora. From what caused his scar I believe it was a Thanator. Which is why the battle at the end was a payoff for that.
@@Bro-dot- You know, I just thought about it recently, and here’s this. It’s given that Jake was sent further into Pandora thanks to the Thanator. Contrast this to Quaritch who suffered an injury from it. I see sorta a parallel in how they reacted to it. One was nervous while the other hateful. Kinda looks like if Jake was more cocky and gotten an injury, he could’ve acted a bit like Quaritch. It was a miracle he escaped it.
This scene adds so much to how big the fight actually was, why there was a pallet of explosives on the Valkyrie shuttle, and just how well-armed the soldiers were for the fight. It would've also furthered the conflict between Quaritch and Parker, because until this point it seemed like Quaritch was only serving the RDA's "bottom line" while explaining the shift in Parker's shift from only focusing on the mining to horror at making it a near-genocide of the Na'vi
There seems to be a pattern of evil corporate guys in James Cameron movies: - Terminator: Cyberdyne’s upper management hiding evidence of the future, knowingly making Sarah look crazy, and reverse engineering killer AI and robots, again knowing what Sarah Connor knew of the future. Aliens: granted Weyland Yutani was already evil in the 1st movie, before James Cameron did the sequel, Carter Burke’s coverup and disregard for life to capture a xenomorph know no limits. Sacrificing an entire colony, Colonial Marine Platoon, and almost Ripley & Newt to get what he wanted was just super scummy! The Abyss: yes, the corporate lady, Linsey Brigman was a ballbuster and evil & mean to her ex (Ed Harris) before nice aliens showed her the way! Titanic- Rose’s fiancé Cal was your typical self-centered, snobby, stuck up, American Corporate douchebag, who smacked his girl around, framed Leo, and stole someone’s kid so he can sneak onto a life raft for women/children only! And then Avatar... can these corporate types be anymore evil?
In my opinion there’s a lot of scenes like this which make no sense as to why they were cut from the final version. A lot of complaints people have against this film is that the characters aren’t memorable but scenes like this show so much complexity to them and the story. I think cutting 1 or 2 blue people jungle scenes and replacing them with more scenes like this would have changed a lot of the perception towards the film
This scene just further shows that Selfridge was not an "evil corperate" type....He had responsibilities to the US military, share holders and was in charge but he did not want death of natives, hence his approval of the avatar program!
This is GOLD. I would have loved to see all the other scenes but this one is too important to cut. Two seconds to understand that Quaritch is loosing his mind over power and Parker fears him. Dammit that wasn't even in the extended version. This is way too good.
guess showing Parker as the actual mediator character that he is would have been too much to ask...it's insane how much Cameron and his team thinks and studies before creating these beautiful characters and then when it's actually time to execute and put a coherent story on the screen he F up big.
I actually love giovanni or parker in this film, he was super funny to me. I wish they made him redeem himself to take out the ship or sacrifice himself but that wouldve been too sudden for him cuz the deforestation really was his idea and job
Everyone’s raging about how this scene should of been left in, but I think it complicates Parker too much as a character. He already tells the Colonel to “pull the trigger” earlier on in the movie when talking about gas. Parker and his actions/attitude in the final cut of the movie is what seals Jake and his team in as true underdogs, as everyone, even the man with the most authority technically, is now against them. Parker also plays more of a parental role constantly dealing with the bickering between the scientists and military. He ultimately cares about his job though and the company, which is why in the final version of the movie his character has progressed to nothing more than a bystander, despite having the most authority (on paper) of anyone there. And with no one else with the power to help Jake and his team, they rise to the occasion themselves.
People wondering why this was cut. A lot of it boils down to pacing issues. James Cameron films have always tried to strike a balance between depth and keeping the pace brisk, and also keeping the central plot thread coherent and moving. The extended cut opening with Jake on Earth for example is really good world building, but in terms of VFX quality and pacing it's a bit slow. A lot of the deleted scenes and extended cut stuff is great world building that gives us a deeper understanding of the world, but they would slow down the film if included. It's going to be interesting to see what was cut from Avatar 2, because that is a much longer film than 1. That said, I think there would be value in a Watchmen: Ultimate Cut-esque cut of this film with every subplot put back in. It would be much slower, but also have a certain thematic richness.
I agree. This doesnt fit the urgency of this sequence. It tonally doesn't work. It's not as tonally bad as the alternate ending to Titanic. It's a good scene. But it stops the show in its tracks for preachiness
I remember acting in this scene. I'm the guy that says "I wouldn't do that Sir" and then gets fired. I looked forward so long to seeing this in the final edit of the movie, and was shattered when I didn't see it, at the time of shooting, I was told this was a very important scene in the movie. I was auditioned on the spot by James Cameron, it was an awesome experience.
Wow. I’m happy to hear from you but also so sorry for you at the same time. When I went to the theater to see the rereleased Extended Cut, I was hoping so hard that either this scene or “Avatars Attack” would be in it because Selfridge needed to get his humiliation closure. But I’m glad to hear your story and now others can too.
That is so cool. James Cameron is awesome director.
Wow, sooo cool m8
Selfridge was very rude with u, you should have slapped him lol
So... They call you there with your real name, right? At least what I hear.
@@ondrejurban2634 yeah, Selfridge asked, and I just replied with my real name. Lol.
Imagine travelling five years to work on another planet and then getting fired.
... And travelling back home another 5 years, lol. By the way all humans would leave Pandora a few days after this scene takes place, so he wouldn't be the only one to lose his job.
Parker probably saved his life in partaking in that battle, unless he did partake in it despite being fired.
@@savagee4641 yeh. Parker got what he ders3ved heer is it just mor dies Giovanni rbsi act like shia LaBeouf here kinda
You guys think he get paid during his journey...that's atleast 5 years sleeping in cryo.
Honestly the payment is probably the trip back home otherwise the company gives each person on Pandora 10-12 year pay without any work.
Parker : I am in charge.
Colonel Quaritch:Do you feel in charge?
Bane
His pencil pushing was important... until now
Are we blind!?
I've paid you a lot of money.
and this gives you power... over me?
@@FCT70
I’m Pandora’s reckoning, here to end the borrowed time the Na’vi have been living on
This gives Parker's character more development than the whole movie does. WOW.
Yeah it proves that while Parker is not a saint he's not that mean either
i'm feeling almost sorry for Parker. the guy came here to supervise a mining mission with maybe a side of border violence that he didn't necessay think he would take part in. he may have been annoyed by Grace but he did allow her the research. he also alowed the Hometree destruction but only when Quaritch promissed to start with dispersing people before the attack itself. he even gave the team 1 hour extra time once he got the dude off his neck. He sure as hell wasn't an environmentalist, but even a money motivated prick like him understands that a military putch and a genocide are bad. i wouldn't be surpised if in the 2nd movie it turned out that while everyone was out there fighting he was making some important calls with his higher ups back on Earth. would they listen to him and persecute those who return back home? who knows. but the dude has enough pride to make their life as difficult as he possibly can with the limited power he has.
Yeah, they really should've kept this scene. (From what I remember) in the movie it seems like Parker and Quaritch are on the same page. However, this scene shows that Quaritch is basically insane and taking over the entire operation. Really dumb to cut this one. Perhaps I'm mistaken and there were still scene(s) that showed this, but I don't think so.
Absolutely 👍 it shows a side of him that we never got to see
Makes me wonder if the guy had a son that takes over his business that’s leading to the conflict of the way of water in my theory
definitely should've kept it in the final cut, partly because it helped to humanize Parker a bit more. this, combined with the look of horror on his face when Hometree was destroyed sold the whole "my god what have I done/I'm way over my head" epiphany he had. unfortunately by that point it was far too late and Quaritch had effectively staged his coup. Parker was a pencil pusher, all about the company's bottom line, but even he had a shred of humanity when it came down to it
Exactly, he's very much about convincing the Na'vi to move so he can strip mine, but he's not into extermination and killing. He's fine with the guns around for defending the mining operation but not to actively go out of their way to bomb the Na'vi to bits.
So true
Generally Hollywood movies, let alone blockbusters, do not favor any nuance to the characters, especially villains. Realistically, Quaritch shouldn't be oozing 'evil', either but should be quite justifiable from his POV.
@@MasterUxi I think the same, actually my fav character is Quaritch, is so disciplined, has a strong personality and also huge intelligence. I think he is kind of "out of context", I saw other war and scifi scenarios like Clone wars and I think Quaritch would be such an interesting hero and commander in another battlefront, figthing against the Separatists, the arachnids on klendathu, Skynet or the Matrix, not primitive Navis. In another war he would have guide humans to victory and order, but he just ended up as the villain on a primitive planet, leading a massacre of inocents. Still my fav character
@303en Exactly, "a war hero that lost the way after decades of commanding mercenaries in a non-ideoligical but corporative mission", I have thought that too. That he just "has spent TOO much time in Pandora, awaiting his next great military strike to continue his "war hero career", but instead just gets to play endless diplomatical games that he hates"
"I wouldn't do that sir" guy deserves a raise
*kaboom*
Logan is on this comment section, no bs, look it up!
Instead he got fired 😂
Haha thank-you
I love Quaritch's "Aw shit" when he sees Selfridge.
🤣
Yeah he’s just an annoyance 😂
Why did they left this out? This scene gives a deeper look into the characters of both Parker and Quaritch. Especially Parker. His actions in this scene goes well with his look of horror when the Hometree was destroyed.
I'd say because it shows that large numbers of the soldiers wiped out gleefully by the Navi were just miners and refinery workers coaxed into fighting by the villain. Seeing the mercenaries get wrecked was fine but cheering as a flying dinosaur rips apart some innocent forklift operator who was told he was fighting for his survival would leave a bad taste in peoples mouths.
At the same time, it reduces the sense of threat. In the final film it looks like the heroes are up against a well equipped army. This scene depicts them as incredibly limited on ammunition and manpower, largely composed of untrained militia and further emphasizes their desperate use of improvised explosives.
Because then the environmental moral of the story would've been lost. In the original version is a critique on american coroporativism, militarism, colonialism and lack of environmental sensitivity. With this scene, the villain is no longer collective, but a single individual that went rogue.
Trantor The Troll I know you have troll in your name but lowkey that tends to make sense, at least in Hollywood.
@Trantor The Troll all we can hope for is that whatever we like doesn't get remade
Probably because he realize the Colonel and his men are in sane and he’s like OK I can’t have them think they’re incharge
The only reason I can imagine this was cut for is keeping the audience perspective of the “good guys” as good during the final battle. The scene specifies that a lot of these men are not mercs but miners being sent to their death by a crazed general. They probably didn’t want to build sympathy for people that get wrecked by Eywa.
However it really pushes Quaritch as the main antagonist and that the battle will only end by taking him down. I also like seeing that one merc loading one of those giant knives we see Quaritch use later. Surprisingly a lot going on in this one small scene, bummer it was cut
I wished avatar would be more of a moral dilemma story than "hur dur become blue monke"
@@gabrielcalda7033 says the guy that looked up and watched deleted scenes of Avatar
It's really only cut for pacing. Avatar kinda had to play it safe in order to not fatigue audiences and actually make a profit, so the runtime was cut down significantly compared to what was actually filmed and conceptualized for the film
@@davidcordero69 He's agreeing with you dummy. He wished there were more scenes adding nuance like this one
@@davidcordero69
What does this even mean?
This actually explains a little bit about some of Parker's facial expressions once they started to engage the Na'Vi as hostiles!! In earlier scenes he showed little to no remorse as the excavators approached their holy site....but once he saw the engagement at Home Tree you could see the concern in his face. I always wondered why there was such a change in his personality!! As subtle as it was, it was still noticable!!
Your so right!
He never wanted to go to war, all he wanted was home tree, he thought they would leave, he didn’t know people would actually die, he feels guilty and finally comes to his sense’s.
@@mannyoommen2768 ehhh, idk. Jury is still out for me on that. The way I see it, no one has to die before a war is started!! If someone is trying to force me from my home, there's gonna be a war....and someone is gonna die!! Parker should've realized this IF his heart was in the right place from the beginning!!
His greed was getting the better of him earlier in regards to the unobtanium found on the Omaticaya Home tree. However, Parker had some form of humanity in him. He only wanted the Navi to leave peacefully, which was the whole point of why he gave both Jake and Grace more time to convince them. When Quatrich defied a direct order to stand down by attacking them and causing bloodshed, Parker confronted him for the deed. Because of the attack on the Navi and destroying potentially millions of dollars worth of unobtanium, he lost his trust and faith in Quatrich. Parker tried to assert his command again to force Quatrich to stand down. Unfortunately being more experienced as a soldier and a leader, he attacked Parker and usurped him as a leader.
@@ladyfire44You raise really good points. The whole reason why humans were there to begin with was to mine unobtanium, not start an endless war with natives. Most people tend to forget this
Wow this is just.... Wow i though Parker was kind of like Quaritch but no, at least he showed that he wasn't as evil as him, when he tried to stop it, was too late...this scene is gold.
Well, he came there to mine and make money, not wage wars and drop bombs.
@@Elydir that's one thing very clear.
oh he didn't care about the navi, he just cared about his workers and his business. he's still bad, not as bad as quaritch, but still bad.
@ i guess you have a point there.
I think its exactly, why its not in the final cut, because it totally changes his character and the director chose to portray Parker as the money hunger evil guy.
I like this scene because it shows Selfridge having a "right choice, wrong reason" mindset. He doesn't want a scorched earth response towards the Na'vi, not because it would be morally wrong, but because the loss of equipment and personnel would be bad for the bottom line. I like it when villains are complex and bad for different reasons.
Parker was bothered by hometree and the potential of kids blood on his hands. The problem here is he let the situation get this far and it out of his control
No he definitely felt it was wrong at least in some way, that’s why he also lets Jake enter the avatar body to warn the na'vi about the attack on the hometree. He had no objective reason to do this. He’s no military jingoist, he doesn’t want a conflict, he just wants to do his business in peace and that doesn’t make him evil.
But he simply took this clear stance against quaritch way too late.
Also because I think he recognized that escalating things like this would result in continuous conflict with the Na'vi for years to come. Obviously he didn't expect the Na'vi to outright defeat them, but he knew it would cause problems.
I always thought that “Selfridge” was a play on “selfish”, as in that is his only distinguishing characteristic. I’m glad to know I was wrong! I love Giovanni Ribisi and his character basically disappearing for the third act always felt wrong to me.
Wow this scene changes everything.......
ForzaRacer IKR!?
it does
neolibs open the doors for the neocons
@@randall172 stfu noob
@@randall172 lmao
I had a 1st sgt that acted extremely like the colonel. He wasn’t a bad guy just super gun ho. He came off extremely tough and hard, but he took care of his men. The guy was a definition of what a leader was. Professional and caring at the same time. I remember I got in a horrible accident and was rushed to the ICU. I wake up at 2 am and here is my 1st sgt in full uniform sitting next to me telling me to get better and relax no need to push yourself. He also told me no matter what your other bosses say, I’ll make you you’re given more than enough time to heal. I got you.
I guess that’s one of my problems I have with this move. My dad served in the Army and when I watched this movie with him, he said the Colonel’s behavior during the cafeteria scene between him and Jake was wrong. A soldier always chooses peace when it’s possible. They do not seek bloodshed. But the thing is, this is not the US Army, this is a PMC. He surrendered his duty to Country for money. But the American Flag imagery throughout the movie suggests Cameron is really pushing the American Imperialism angle with what happened in Vietnam and Iraq.
I just hope to god that in the sequels we’ll get more human military allies, like the veterans who stood up to protect the Native Americans at Standing Rock. The Colonial Marines need to have their Honor Restored.
Bro Quartich just hissed. He was an Avatar before the second movie
1:46
Rowan! What are you doing here you're the manager!
*"No Rowan you can't just keep invading other planets , you are the manager....."*
mornin' nice day for pacification of natives ain't it? HUH HUH
Rowan went as far as joining the Marines and deploying on an alien world 5 years away from Earth in order to avoid his job😂
And looks as clueless as always. That's not a nice day for fishin.
I have to say this scene made Quaritch look way more sadistic and Selfridge more humane, this would’ve been an interesting scene in the movie
@TheLatiosnlatias02 more like it makes selfridge more human than how he was in the film, humanity is very complicated, not just a bunch of space orcs who only seek to destroy
Oh shit son, Viva La Dirt League's Rowan staring intimidatingly right in the middle of the scene at 1:47 :D he's also front and centre of the briefing where Quaritch tells the soldiers how many more Na'Vi are assembling at the Tree of Souls, but that scene actually made the final cut :D
Nice day for war ain't it? Hu ha!
Thats what i was looking for, thank you
So this is where he learned how to be a manager.
Except, instead of firing people, he just gave them paycuts.
@@Beanie-Sandals nice day for killing ain't it ? Huha
@@MurphNTurph no he is Rowans great great grandson
How could they take that out? Really helps develop Selfridge's character of realizing this is going too far. I also like seeing the Marines mobilize and recruit the miners into a militia. Palace Coup indeed. Hopefully Logan got his job back.
I kinda hope Logan doesn’t. He doesn’t deserve to potentially lose his life to a bunch of oversized smurfs and a human who wanted to clap some alien cheeks. Logan deserves better than that.
They probably cut a ton of good stuff because the movie was already hella long and 3d glasses give me a headache.
Having watched avatar 2 now, i suspect this may have been cut when Cameron decided to bring back Quaritch (something I didn't like at all). Had Selfridge and him had this altercation, there's no way that selfridge would have greenlit the creation of avatars for Quaritch and his goons. Despite it ruining Selfridge's arc from Avatar 1 it was a necessary cut to ensure that Cameron's vision for 2 made sense.
Because the movie is already THREE HOURS LONG. The bar is super high for which scenes are absolutely necessary and which can be cut
@@zaphod4245 the avatars were probably greenlit before this scene
I can't believe Stephen Lang was 56 in this movie. Looked like an absolute beast.
lol It's called HGH.
@@standepain
Most Hollywood stars are on temporary roid cycles or HGH, doesn’t mean they don’t workout hard tho the physical specimen still deserves respect especially at such an age. You make it sound like you just pop some HGH and do no serious work
@@rhysnichols8608 I never said he didn't work out or work like a fiend but by 40 your testosterone production starts slowing down and by the time men are in mid 50s it basically comes to a screeching so he most likely on HGH not only to look good to get action roles but health reasons too.
That look in Giovanni Ribisi's eyes when he realized this 56 year-old man could crush his skull like a Budweiser can
The “What’s your name! You’re fired!!!!” got me😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
This is why I hate watching DELETED SCENES, What were they thinking. Keep the good parts that explain characters motivations and conflicts. Makes for a better story. It also gives a different perspective when this character is boarding the shuttle at the end of the movie.
It's much easier to make a political message when cutting out the nuances.
@DSW22 "Na'vi are disgusting and backwards" the humans were once backwards and what do you mean by "disgusting" exactly? You know that shit goes both ways, right?dumbass. We could be invaded and subjugated by a much more advanced species and they'd say the same thing about us, Disgusting and backwards.
@DSW22 so the humans didn’t destroy their home and a very sacred site?
They shouldn't have edited this out. It makes us see the characters in a different light.
And it definitely adds more to the story and it explains a lot of things in the movie that were seen weird because there wasn't any explanation for any of them.
Well luckily we were able to see the deleted scenes
@Frogger eh? when?
@Frogger Those moments were barely noticable to many people though. This scene was crisp and clear.
This scene is badass!! They should've kept it! Though it doesn't really explain much it gives the story and feel of the movie a little more padding
But it would have given at least a little bit of closure for Selfridge.
I agree that the scene was definitely cool to watch, but in the end it turned Quaritch into a hot-headed jerk. Even if he was in charge for the moment, this action and attacking your boss would certainly have had consequences in the long term. After all, he is also just an employee of the company who needs paying.
@@KYoung-kj7hr I'm not defending Quaritch in any way, but it's possible he preferred to fight this battle for his "honor" and the alleged safety of the base and its personel than thinking of the consequences upon returning to Earth
This is an awesome scene. In it you see just how much influence RDA has, but when it comes to a military threat, Quaritch couldn’t care less about the power RDA has. It’s his arena and he will do anything and everything in his power to eliminate the threat. It’s why I’ve always seen him as the excellent opposite to Jake and why I’m glad he’s returning in AWOW.
Yeah Hes tuff
Makes me wonder what plot shenanigans are going to be used to explain why he isn’t dead lol.
@@billdavis7577 You mean after getting two six foot long arrows lodged in his gut? I’m curious too.
@@billdavis7577 frfr, could swore I saw tha girl put 2 big ass arrows in his chest 😔
@@billdavis7577 Yea like the next movie sounds great but he is very clearly dead in this one I have no idea how they can explain it away.
This scene should make it to the final cut. It shows Parker in a better light which is good because without it he's kinda like a cartoon villain.
It also shifts a lot of blame from Parker to the military. Shows that Parker wasn't as bad as he seemed, there were lines he wouldn't cross. But he trusted his power too much. When he realized what's about to happen - it was no longer about him.
Parker as an office guy who's only brave from behind his desk but gets screwed easily by the cruel mercenary and loses control works better IMO than the way he is in the final cut. It's a bit weird how in final cut Parker just dissapears without any explanation.
It also makes Quaritch more threatening. As he points out, Parker may have the ability to fire him, but any attempt to forcibly remove him would take five years. Because he’s the strongest, he actually holds all the power in this scenario. It’s a bit like that part in The Dark Knight Rises where the guy says he paid Bane and Bane says “and you think this gives you power over me?” before killing him.
Very nicely put
BRO…. The growl and the look on Quaritch’s face when he grabs Parker is terrifying 😬
Colonel Quaritch might have been an hero back on 🌎 earth.
He an U.S. Marine, officer & gentleman. As for being station on Pandora as time passes by then he gotten so edgey & was so eager to start a "WAR" with the Na'Vi. He turned from officer into a mercenary, was waiting just right opportunity to get it started.
So he pulls a coup over Parker authority, even on moments he realizes for he has done & what was happening there's nothing he can't do to stop it. In a way he wasn't so heartless as Quaritch is. By look on his eyes, see nothing but death & destruction.
He's gone beyond service..he's a warlord. Parker felt scared & so out of place, out of his league.
@Vlad doesn't give him a good reason to be a heartless piece of shit, does it.
MR. HOLLAND [cRAzγ DUTcH] well, to defeat ur opponent, u must know them, and must use whatever asset you have. He is doing what he is paid to do
christian nguyen if we go to wars using that kind of logic, we should’ve been nuking the Middle East to oblivion. You shouldn’t use *every* single asset in your arsenal.
Grynch last I checked his job was to provide security, not wage a mini-war.
Ande Zong well I was speaking that from a private military’s perspective. They don’t have nukes even today because it’s illegal and Impractical. Cost of decontaminating and repairing things is just too high. Just not smart
He isn’t private security as there task is to protect the property. He’s a mercenary as he could be on the offensive. This attack would’ve put fear into their hearts
There were some good scenes they left out.
There is a full version of this movie?
like a special dvd edition or something?
I know the director´s cut, and it is awesome, but there are many many good scenes out.
@@rogeriopimenta6247 I want to know too. Like a complete version of 4 hours or something
Yet another scene that should've been kept in the final cut. It humanized Parker a bit and really felt like it belonged.
Really did, more character building was what avatar lacked a lot of
It also DE-humanized Quaritch perfectly.
I came here to find the Black Shirt Manager, Rowan. Is he still in his office? Legend says he never left his position. Lol
This scene has a massive impact on the storyline. It completely changed the audience's perception of these two men.
This was definitely a needed scene. Big mistake leaving it out.
@Derp Derp
What right?
@@Vincinate
Might and Power.
Hopefully Cameron bringing an experienced writer on board will help avoid these editing mistakes in the next movie
@Derp Derp I wonder if this logic applies elsewhere too
@@cccspwn Pov: his mother is british
Such an intense performance by Stephen Lang! Great scene, should have kept it!!
"Nice day for fishing hyuh!"
00:59 I love how Quaritch goes “ah shit” when Parker shows up, he’s just done with listening to him.
Stephen Lang is just such a great actor. As Quatrich you can’t take your eyes of him, the every expression, pitch of the voice is always on point. 1:06 you see the annoyance in his face cause he knows what he’s doing is insane but must continue because he believes it’s for the safety of his crew.
these deleted scenes really add so much more depth to the overall film with the additional dialogue
it even hints at his recom revival when he does that na'vi-like hiss, I doubt Cameron thought that far ahead, but maybe he thought about bringing him back acter reviewing his own work
This is an important scene that changes the whole dynamic of Quartrich vs. the corporate weasel Parker and who's really in charge of what. It should have been kept in the movie.
Holy shit, that look on his face. It sucks that Cameron has cut this scene.
It really shows how tied his hands were and how much he wanted to avoid violence.
I think most of us don't think how heavily violence can weigh on a decent leader trying to avoid it. Especially if things spin out of control.
This scene made me like selfridge more and made quaritch more terrifying
Thanks for posting these deleted scenes.
Parker may not have had the same respect and consideration of the na'vi as Jake did but he knew where to draw the line. Guy was simply in charge when things went south and in over his head
"MY WORKERS"!
Literally, after he fired a worker.
He probably saved that worker’s life, given the context here.
Scenes like this are so important for the context of the second film. I feel like people watching the second film are asking why the Colonel is a bit more crazy and it’s scenes like this that help to show the viewer why he is like he is
Idk if crazy is the right word. Scarred or numb is the right word. Is he an evil man? No I don’t believe he is. You see how he treats his men with respect and dignity. Does he do evil things? Absolutely. He’s a soldier whose seen unspeakable things and has seen more death and destruction than most could even imagine. He does make efforts to minimize casualties (before the army started to form after Jake rallies them) and has repeated attempts to negotiate with the people of pandora with minimal results other than the repeated attacks on his men. He’s facing An enemy 2000 strong and makes the tough call to attack before all his men are slaughtered. He’s by no means innocent but calling him evil or crazy is completely missing the context of his character
1:46 Rowan, my man! Now I know how he got his manager skills.
A good example is why giving someone too much power is a bad thing.
You came here for Rowan, didn't you?
Yes, yes I did. I assumed the other video's I saw where fake.
Small detail but one thing I like about this deleted scene is the way Quaritch almost like, hisses/growls when he grabs Parker, a very primal reaction with his small moment of rage. Which also, if you've seen the ATWOW, is very ironic.
The thing I like about many of these cut scenes is that they don’t retcon anything.
This could have all happened just off screen.
So this scene right here could be 100% canon just that it happened offscreen.
I think its safe to say that this scene is not canon, and was cut for a reason. And that reason being Quaritchs ressurection as Avatar in A2. They would not ressurect a guy who did military coup, and then failed miserably. Cutting this scene make it seems like Quaritch was still being within the confines of Corpos orders, and as such, candidate for Avatar Marine.
@@lihkan yeah, now that I watched AVATAR 2 this makes sense.
They seem like best buds in the recording made before Quatrich rolled out
@@vagasint.4345 you act like it couldn’t have happened hours ago before Parker saw all this
You don’t get it. Yes, the scene of them in Avatar 2 most certainly did happen hours /before/ this deleted scene altercation. The problem is that RDA still resurrected the colonial and his goons as recombanants /way after/ this deleted scenes palace coup. If this deleted scene was in the final cut of the movie, there’s no way in fuck Selfridge and RDA corp would have gone through with resurrecting the colonel and rehiring him after launching a military coup against the mining company. Cool scene of Avatar was a stand alone movie. But with what happens in Avatar 2, this scene breaks continuity and makes no sense.
This movie & world never ceases to amaze me. Its futuristic without being too techy, otherworldly without being confusing. Even though this scene looks like any other action movie it still interesting & investing despite taking place in such a vibrant planet. Not to mention every performance in the film has so much heart & energy behind it
And in one conversation we see the real motivation behind the characters; One is merely a capitalist who wants to make a name for himself. The other a Warmonger hungry for his seat at the head of the table.
It just shows you that one brief moment can completely alter a character
To be fair to parker, there is back story to why they are after unobtainium. That part gets glossed over to make it just about money.
Supposedly a critical energy source to save the human race. They were under pressure. But instead of a movie about conflicting sides, they wanted a good v evil story.
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Why anyone will need to travel to distant stars for energy sources, if they can built fucktillion orbital solar panels around their own star, or dig for uranium and thorium on nearby planets? And that is without mentioning hydrogen from gas giants which could be used for fusion power plants?
@@necronlord8274 plot?
@@icecold9511 Even then considering all the criticality parker still considered the most human option, where as colonel was just out for na'vi blood from the beginning, this was just an excuse.
@@necronlord8274 Pandora is most rich of unobtainium. As home tree has a huge deposit of it and was the closest. Not to mention they needed the ore to continue humanity's space travel back home. Including time wasn't on their side so they didn't have the luxury of waiting.
1:20 "Do you feel in charge?"
I agree that Quaritch was clearly the one who dominated this scene. But in the end, Quaritch is still just an employee of a company and going it alone against the instructions of his manager would have had long-term consequences.
If he wanted some leverage against a strong, military man, he should have brought back up...that said, the most Quaritch could do was kill him on the spot, but then he'd be going renegade....the corporate power and connection with powers that be still lie with Parker...it doesn't matter who's bigger
This is the reason why Parker had a frustrated look on his face when the bomber started up.
He as well didn't agree with Qurtrich's methods. This is why I love the extended edition.
Holy cow is that Baelin the fisher? Mornin! Nice day for fishin’ ain’t it?
Parker was right with keeping all the troops/local workers in Hells' gates, even if he knew that about more than 20 Thousand na'vi were gonna overrun the base, the base could have been defended more easily and thanks to Quaritch the na'vi destroyed all the RDA army using home advantage.
And i wonder what would have been the plan of Selfridge to deal with the 20k na'vi that were approaching
Well in 1 of the deleted scenes, back at the base an small group of scientist's helping jake on their end. As they manage to get the systems & link back to their avatar's. In the meantime RDA armies are being force to retreat. Reporting an massive unbelievable larger forces that are fighting along side with Na'Vi. As for Parker & the rest of RDA personal were in for a bigger surprise. He may have a small security force that were left behind, while the colonel took almost most of RDA army to the tree of souls. Parker didn't have enough to hold back an entire tribe. Which led him to surrender & was giving an choice leave the planet, carry a message back to earth.
I don't think Selfridge had any plan at all, he was just shocked by how insanely out of hand (and his control) things went.
Selfridge's plan: Blast'em then get back to work.
@@tachy1801 That's explained in the movie, the area interfered with electronics and guidance systems which made it impossible to use sophisticated weapons. I think it get's overlooked because it's nothing more then hamfisted justification for explaining why the human forces didn't just bomb them to hell.
Also i'd disagree one the colonel using survival as an excuse, the Colonel seems paranoid throughout the film believing that conflict is both inevitable and that the nav'i pose an extreme threat which wasn't being taken seriously. I think his beliefs about survival were genuine and that is what drove him to believe they had to wipe out the nav'i. In his mind it was the only way to ensure not just the survival of the camp but the human race.
From the very first meeting with sully the colonel is talking about staying strong the risk of death and describing the Nav'i as hostiles. I think in his mind this was already a war, but he was the only one who could see it.
If I’m a mine worker I won’t participate this assault but I will take a rifle to protect my wife and kids in case they overrun the base.
The more of these deleted scenes I watch, the more I feel bad for Parker. Sure he was a bit of a scummy business man, but he wasn’t an evil dude. He did his best to give Grace all the time she needed while also being realistic with the fact he was in charge of a company
I understand why this scene was cut. It made it feel that the corporate guy was no longer in charge of the operation. It also made the general to much of warmonger. In the film corporate guy already expressed his concerned by allowing the avatar guy some hours to evacuate the native away. Before that too he and the general were already discussing the invasion plans so this deleted scene would’ve conflicted with that because corporate guy gave the okay.
I disagree. It is easy for corporates to push the military machine...but at what cost and can you unpull a trigger...Unfortunately No...especially with the Career minded Military. If you dare say go, " GET the F!@# Out of the WAY!" There has to be safe guards and a party to politic with on the other side and in this case there was none. I am sure there are plenty of those types regretting their ambitions these days.
@@53knight In the film, it shows the military guy being obedient to the cooperate guy, they also always seemed to be respectful to each other position because they're both just there to do the job. Military guy whole point of being there was simply for protection and clear space with vital resources that earth wanted. This scene really doesn't make sense because corporate guy was in all the way in to make sure Pandora's resources was collected. Yeah this scene does show his humanity but him and military guy was still under payrolls from corporate to obtain the resources. Plus they've also agreed to clear the tree as "humane" as possible even if it meant Navi causalities. As long as they're not massacre like what us humans would do to each other. If they were both at odds than it would not make sense in the film because the whole point was Navi against Humans. But if you have Corporate guy and military guy against each other it just adds more confusion imo. The enemies was never them in the first place. The enemies was Human.
ZeroInfinity I think it would’ve been perfect tbh. Yes they discussed the invasion plans, but discussions are different from actions. Once he walked in and saw how the colonel was conducting the invasion (I.E. the bombs and what not). He came to the realization of what he had just agreed to. But by then it was already to late, the Colonel had all the power now. I think the scene would’ve at least given Parker some humanity, instead of making him just be a corrupt corporate tool who only cares about profit.
i see your point and i think youre right. It convoluted an black and white narrative. There is no need for all this moral grey area to humanize the obvious villains.
Well not totally, he discussed about destroying home tree with very limited casualties on the Na vi side, because it wasn't good for the medias, going at total war and destroying something unnecessary for the mission was not part of the plan, we never saw them discuss about an "invasion" Parker never approved Quarich to use everything they had to go at war and potentially ruining the operation
That growl quaritch did was very navi like
Hell's Gate Coup
August 21, 2154
SecOps commander and chief of security, Colonel Miles Quaritch, along with one of his officers, Corporal Lyle Wainfleet, launched a coup d'etat against RDA civilian administrator Parker Selfridge, running Hell's Gate and RDA's operations in Pandora under a military dictatorship.
It was generally described as a popular uprising. Due to Quaritch's popularity, Selfridge lost support from the Security Operations as well as from non-combat workers (Mining Operations).
It holds the record for being the shortest coup attempt in the history of mankind, lasting in less than 2 minutes.
The coup had been generally described as bloodless as Selfridge quickly and de facto relinquished his authority in favor of Quaritch.
Quaritch would rule as leader of the Hell's Gate junta from August 21, 2154 until his death after humans' defeat in the Battle of the Tree of Souls on the 22nd of August of the same year.
His vacated position would be filled 14 years later by General Frances Ardmore as commander of the Joint Expeditionary Task Force and head of RDA's base of operations in the Bridgehead.
that will all change when Quaritch was resurrected in RDA's own Avatar Program that was militarized to create Na'Vi-Sized SecOps Marine Units in order to level the playing field against the Na'Vi tribe now led by the former human traitor turned Na'Vi Jake Sully, he would later return to Pandora via RDA's Bridgehead Base and would soon be assigned to Gen.Ardmore's JTF unit working with a whole new military force, not only from the air, land and this time...at sea!
This is one scene I really like. It would have added a lot to both Selfridge and Quaritch. The colonel guy is genuinely horrifying when he just... grabs Selfridge like a rabid animal. Would've sold him as a villain even more. And I like that Selfridge isn't the violent type, just greedy. He wants the money without the blood on his hands.
We need Gordon Ramsay and Jon Taffer here to argue with Quaritch. That would be so epic.
1:45 that's Rowan Bettjeman from VLDL for you ! Fresh out of drama school
The part where Quaritch snarls at Selfridge, that shows you that Quaritch is a psychopath. The reason why I think Quaritch is a psychopath, it’s because how he enjoys the violence, how he enjoys watching the Na'vi suffer and how manipulative he is, like how he manipulated Jake in Avatar 1, how he manipulated Spider in Avatar: The Way of Water and how he’s gonna manipulate the Ash People in Avatar 3.
A nice touch that Pandora's lower gravity lets Quaritch lift Parker completely off the ground.
My boy Rowan walking up like the manager he is.
honestly they should've kept this in the movie, it tells a lot about who Parker really is, a lot more than any other scene in this movie.
I would've liked this scene in the movie because it made Colonel Quaritch an even more awesome villain than he already is and gave more depth to Parker then just a greedy corporate executive (I still loved his character an Giovani's performance btw).
this is a great scene, I don't know why they removed it! it makes the villain guys go beyond just "blue people stinky me want money" like quartich is holding a goddamn military coup, he doesn't want money, he wants power and he wants to rule this planet, way cooler than the one in the final cut. and seeing these two characters but heads makes the whole situation a lot more believable than just them being comically evil.
I like at how Parker is actually the good guy here. It turns him into so much more then just a corporate suit. His cameo in Way of Water would fit better with this scene if he was more pissed off and frustrated because the Colonels video journal likely would have been recorded while all of that was going down. If we ever get a Way of Water extended version they could flesh out the cameo by showing the aftermath of this scene.
1:21 My man was a Na’vi even before becoming one 😂😂
Rowan walking around like the manager of play tech in the background
1:47 "G'morning! Nice to to kill xeno scum ain't it? Huh huh!"
1:47 Rowan from Viva la Dirt League! Now we know where he got his management skills. 😉
Bro was acting like a Na'vi with that hiss
I have a bit of a small theory, and it’s gonna sound a little crazy. I see people talking in the comments about how crazy Quaritch is in this scene, and I think I might provide part of that reason. Anyone remember when he met Jake after the Avatar test run? He mentioned how his first time in Pandora resulted in a scar on his head? What if that moment scarred him and made him realize how horrible Pandora was. Now granted, we don’t know how he got it. But it could explain his sorta-hatred for Pandora, and sorta the Na’vi for being an extension of that danger. Just putting it out there.
It’s not a small theory or even a bit crazy, it’s 100% literally a given this was the reason for his hate to pandora life.
(Don’t need to read below text but I explain the reasoning for it)
Think about it Cocky military top shot comes to an alien planet with most likely the same expectations as his experience from the wars on earth, to assert dominance over the enemy.
First day on pandora and he suffers a severe scar to his head, basically almost killing him. Knowing Quaritch such an experience wouldn’t humble him, but he would double down and develop a strong hate to pandora.
Not to mention he can’t particularly go in gun blazing or go out and actively kill Na’Vi since the scientists have a peace agreement with many of the indigenous tribes. The battle at Home Tree is basically an excuse to not exact his own personal revenge but commit genocide to the people which prevent him and grunts from controlling pandora.
From what caused his scar I believe it was a Thanator. Which is why the battle at the end was a payoff for that.
@@Bro-dot- I believe a Thanator did cause the scar as well.
@@Bro-dot- You know, I just thought about it recently, and here’s this. It’s given that Jake was sent further into Pandora thanks to the Thanator. Contrast this to Quaritch who suffered an injury from it. I see sorta a parallel in how they reacted to it. One was nervous while the other hateful. Kinda looks like if Jake was more cocky and gotten an injury, he could’ve acted a bit like Quaritch. It was a miracle he escaped it.
This scene adds so much to how big the fight actually was, why there was a pallet of explosives on the Valkyrie shuttle, and just how well-armed the soldiers were for the fight. It would've also furthered the conflict between Quaritch and Parker, because until this point it seemed like Quaritch was only serving the RDA's "bottom line" while explaining the shift in Parker's shift from only focusing on the mining to horror at making it a near-genocide of the Na'vi
Quaritch pulled a " Do you feel in control" Bane move there 😂
This would’ve been a good addition to the movie, adds more depth into the preparation of the battle
Quaritch: You're a long way from Earth.
Selfridge: At least I lived to make it back there.
Didn't the Aliens Kill him?
@@oscarsalesgirl296 No.
I wonder if the Colonel showing his teeth and almost growling when he pins Parker is meant to be foreshadowing his rebirth as a Navi in the sequel
There seems to be a pattern of evil corporate guys in James Cameron movies:
- Terminator: Cyberdyne’s upper management hiding evidence of the future, knowingly making Sarah look crazy, and reverse engineering killer AI and robots, again knowing what Sarah Connor knew of the future.
Aliens: granted Weyland Yutani was already evil in the 1st movie, before James Cameron did the sequel, Carter Burke’s coverup and disregard for life to capture a xenomorph know no limits. Sacrificing an entire colony, Colonial Marine Platoon, and almost Ripley & Newt to get what he wanted was just super scummy!
The Abyss: yes, the corporate lady, Linsey Brigman was a ballbuster and evil & mean to her ex (Ed Harris) before nice aliens showed her the way!
Titanic- Rose’s fiancé Cal was your typical self-centered, snobby, stuck up, American Corporate douchebag, who smacked his girl around, framed Leo, and stole someone’s kid so he can sneak onto a life raft for women/children only!
And then Avatar... can these corporate types be anymore evil?
About Cal, he saved the kid for his own purpose, but still saved her. She would have died without his help.
Amazing how this one scene changes the entire perception of Selfridge. He was never going to be a good guy, but it showed he was not a total asshole.
This scene NEEDS to be restored in the September re release
Selfridge showing an ounce of humanity but also gets his humiliation was EVERYTHING WE NEEDED during the whole movie.
In my opinion there’s a lot of scenes like this which make no sense as to why they were cut from the final version. A lot of complaints people have against this film is that the characters aren’t memorable but scenes like this show so much complexity to them and the story. I think cutting 1 or 2 blue people jungle scenes and replacing them with more scenes like this would have changed a lot of the perception towards the film
1:22 Holy shit Quaritch is scary. Can’t wait to see him back as a recom. He’s gonna draw some blood!
This scene just further shows that Selfridge was not an "evil corperate" type....He had responsibilities to the US military, share holders and was in charge but he did not want death of natives, hence his approval of the avatar program!
This is GOLD. I would have loved to see all the other scenes but this one is too important to cut. Two seconds to understand that Quaritch is loosing his mind over power and Parker fears him. Dammit that wasn't even in the extended version. This is way too good.
guess showing Parker as the actual mediator character that he is would have been too much to ask...it's insane how much Cameron and his team thinks and studies before creating these beautiful characters and then when it's actually time to execute and put a coherent story on the screen he F up big.
I actually love giovanni or parker in this film, he was super funny to me. I wish they made him redeem himself to take out the ship or sacrifice himself but that wouldve been too sudden for him cuz the deforestation really was his idea and job
1:46 holy shit I've seen how other people have pointed this out that's awesome to see as a Viva la dirt league fan and kiwi
He's a model.
“I’ll be nice once, and then I won’t”
Everyone’s raging about how this scene should of been left in, but I think it complicates Parker too much as a character. He already tells the Colonel to “pull the trigger” earlier on in the movie when talking about gas. Parker and his actions/attitude in the final cut of the movie is what seals Jake and his team in as true underdogs, as everyone, even the man with the most authority technically, is now against them. Parker also plays more of a parental role constantly dealing with the bickering between the scientists and military. He ultimately cares about his job though and the company, which is why in the final version of the movie his character has progressed to nothing more than a bystander, despite having the most authority (on paper) of anyone there. And with no one else with the power to help Jake and his team, they rise to the occasion themselves.
Kinda wish this scene had stayed showing how parker saw the mission was going to far and he still knew wright from wrong.
I'm excited to see Avatar 2 on December 17th (2021).
Sorry to give you the bad news? It got pushed to next year on December 16th 2022.
@@Clee-os6pv swear down it always gets pushed a year back 🤣
We definitely needed all of these deleted Parker scenes!! I thought I knew they guy but this changes everything!!!
People wondering why this was cut. A lot of it boils down to pacing issues. James Cameron films have always tried to strike a balance between depth and keeping the pace brisk, and also keeping the central plot thread coherent and moving. The extended cut opening with Jake on Earth for example is really good world building, but in terms of VFX quality and pacing it's a bit slow. A lot of the deleted scenes and extended cut stuff is great world building that gives us a deeper understanding of the world, but they would slow down the film if included. It's going to be interesting to see what was cut from Avatar 2, because that is a much longer film than 1. That said, I think there would be value in a Watchmen: Ultimate Cut-esque cut of this film with every subplot put back in. It would be much slower, but also have a certain thematic richness.
I agree. This doesnt fit the urgency of this sequence. It tonally doesn't work. It's not as tonally bad as the alternate ending to Titanic. It's a good scene. But it stops the show in its tracks for preachiness
bro, when he snatched him up by the neck and almost made some kind of hissing sound.. that was intense haha
Its fitting given what Cameron has done with his character
Avatar's deleted scenes are still better than any other movie of this century