good video with lots of advise, your right on rain gear I've used it on rainy days when hiking and was just as wet on the inside after, good if your in camp walking around but hiking I just leave it off now
I'm not surprised that you received so many 'likes' on this video, it hit all the highlights! As someone who has camped many a rainy May 2-4 weekend in their youth, there are few components more important than 1) a tarp and 2) a positive attitude :)
Loved the “serious lecturing” voice with which you relate the scouting advice on synthetic bags! So much better to do all you can to keep your bag dry in the first place, whatever the fill is. Useful video, thanks.
I really appreciate your excellent and thoughtful videos. You’re like the experienced backcountry friend I always wished I had. I love the ‘sunny disposition’ advice because I really find that attitude can turn tough challenges into the best and funniest experiences. I’m about to take my 3 kids on a 5-day paddle trip with rain in the forecast, so I’m soaking up the advice. I’m watching your videos while I prepare dehydrated meals from your cook book. So grateful I found your channel!
Today I bought a roll of Reflectix to make three pot cozys and some Tyvek to make two tent underlays (even though solo I’m a hammock sleeper). Thanks Kevin for the amazing advice!!
A loose fitting poncho allows air to circulate underneath. In most (not all) instances, this takes care of body heat and condensation inside the rain gear.
Excellent comment. If I was to re-make the video I would add that. Poncho's aren't as common as they used to be in outdoor stores but the online cottage industry has many to offer.
For years I had to do solo trips because nobody I knew was interested in backpacking. Whenever it rained I just decided to stay home or leave early. But now I have friends, and have had to learn to suck it up. I ended up sewing a lightweight tarp to chill under at camp. Good advice you've given.
Thanks very much for a great information video ! Great work ! ✔ Zip lock plastic bags ( 8:12 ) ✔ Garbage bags ( 9:19 ) ✔ Tarp ( 10:20 ) ✔ A good Tarp is worth it's weight in gold, when it rains ! ( Written 2 January 2021 )
Good advice. I agree with most of the ideas in this video, especially setting up your tent in a place that won't flood, electing to hike without raingear on occasion and using a tarp. My own experience using a wet hollow-fill bag is as follows: I was hiking in Denali Nat. Park with 2 ladies from NYC (I'm from the UK). We got caught in a downpour and due to my sloppiness in packing my backpack, my sleeping bag (NorthFace Snow Shoe, hollow-fill) got soaked. I remember the sense of dread that came over me when I realized my only sleeping option on a very cold night was going to be a soaking wet sleeping bag. Getting into it was most unpleasant...along the lines of putting on soaking wet, cold wool socks before going hiking. Anyway after about 5 minutes I was surprised to discover the inside of my formerly wet bag was now dry, the outside still soaking wet. I managed to get of to sleep shortly after. Upon waking the next morning I found that my sleeping bag was completely dry, due to my body heat over the previous several hours. Conclusion: getting into a wet hollow-fill bag isn't pleasant, BUT after 5 minutes it's okay AND keeps the heat in. Hope my story is helpful.
It makes sense to actually get wet if high end clothing is gonna get you wet on the inside and the temperature is warm/hot.ankle gators sounds better and cheaper.interesting what you said about tents also.who's the 42 dislikes from? High end retailers?
Thanks for the comment. Dislikes seem to come whenever something gets popular. Admittedly not my best day in front of the camera and many said I clapped too much. But should that generate a 'dislike' LOL
The Tilley hat is a great investment. I have had one for 15 years. Trash compacter bags are heavy gauge plastic and work great in wet conditions. They are kinda hard to find even in the US but Amazon has them cheap. Great thing is they can easily be reused on the next camp. I also invested in a sleeping bag insert. It seems to add about 10 degrees F in warmth in cold weather and if its too hot for the sleeping bag the insert makes a great sleeping bag itself. The idea of the tent footprint inside the tent is interesting. I think I would still lake a conventional footprint under the tent to protect the bottom but a footprint inside would just add another layer of protection so maybe both?
I would like to know about how to enjoy hiking in the rain. One thing I like being outside in rainy days are that the air I consume makes my stresses go away. But I also like the ambient noise it has to offer. Note that I have been going outside but wasn't confident in going through the rainy situations. But I love the way how Japanese anime music portrays nature in such beautiful way, like the lyrics from a SEKAI NO OWARI, RAIN says "magic will eventually fall, as we all know it" the song connecting to this phrase says "rainbow will soon fade away, but it grown a lot of trees that way." Magic like rain they will eventually fade away, but that makes the legend the generational. With this lyrics highlighted (tried my best to translate it) I thought of rain as a natural process and as a kid who is born in the concrete land that he feels limited by his own thoughts and environment. If I can identify by my own enjoyment of being outside, what are your stories when you first explored wilderness in rainy conditions?
Very interesting question Makoto. I appreciate the perspective on nature that Japanese culture has given you. I have had a rural Canadian upbringing and so I see rain in a little less poetic and more utilitarian way, hence the content of the video, but I still find rain beautiful. When I was younger I had lots of camping in the rain experiences. Many of which weren't good. Waking up in the middle of the night with a wet sleeping bag isn't pleasant. But I have learned that unless it is cold it is just water and won't hurt you. And, I have learned how to stay dry. When I was young I went to a summer camp and I remember going on an overnight camping trip. We hiked all day in the rain and were mostly miserable. The leader of the group heard us complain and took a moment to talk about how warm the rain was and that it was a good rain, good for the crops. I stopped complaining about the rain after that. You can't have pleasant without experiencing unpleasant. Rain is just part of the experience and it may take time but being in nature during rain can be enjoyable. Thanks! I hope I came close to answering your question.
I totally agree about bringing a tarp. However I have struggled with getting a tarp setup where we don’t get smoke coming into the tarp from the fire or having the tarp too far away from the fire and we can’t get the warmth from the fire, at least not all of us. I also find it much more comfortable if the tarp is high enough to stand up, so in some treeless areas I bring a 1lb tarp pole. I would love to find more specific tips on tarp setups for small groups while having a fire. I just spent a weekend camping with my kids and it rained the entire time. I got a headache from the smoke.
I got a chuckle at your comment about trash compactor bags. Though I live in the States and waltzed right into a local home improvement store a bought a box, I’ve never known anybody who has a trash compactor!
@@KevinOutdoors I think they are the same or very similar to "contractor" bags in Canada. www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/frank-insanely-thick-contractor-bags-5-pk-1421556p.html#srp
Yes, I think it's the kitchen garbage disposals that are more common in the US than Canada. A trash compactor is more of an industrial machine than a household item, I believe.
Never let rain in the forecast deter you from going out. The key is being prepared. Excellent advice Kevin. I’m not a fan of waterproof boots on multi day trips as they take a lot longer to dry out when they get wet (winter is a different story) although I can’t commit to switching over to trail runners, I prefer boots with mesh tops for breathabilty...that being said, I carry a spare set of insoles and an extra pair of wool socks.
I haven't switched to trail runners yet. Those who do say it was the right decision. Boots and keeping your feet dry could be another whole video. Usually on a hiking trip I prefer waterproof boots but when I am on a canoe trip there is a big decision to make. Do I try and keep my feet dry getting in and out of the boat and portaging through swamps or do I bring a lighter non-waterproof pair of hikers and just get them wet.
Thanks for the info. This is a great video with lots of wisdom. I was raised with a dad that brought my brother and I camping most of our child hood : )
Thanks Kevin! A lot of helpful perspective in here. I've taken the just-get-wet approach a couple of times when commuting on my bike in warm weather, and I know I can change in to fresh clothes at my destination. A free shower always beats a sweaty sauna. Never had a chance to try it in the backcountry - my biggest worry would be draining all that rain right into my boots, boots that I'd have to stick my feet back into all next day. Never seen a decent pair of hiking boots that could dry overnight, especially in damp weather. Good to know some simple gaiters make a big difference.
I particularly liked the ground sheet idea, and yes, tarps are a must, but I think the advantage for synthetic bags is they'll dry faster, and down will also mat. I love down, and will take my down bag when it gets close to zero or below, but in warmer wetter weather I take a cheaper synthetic.
A ground sheet/footprint is completely useless. It won't stop any type of water/condensation nor will it do anything for warmth. If your tent gets punctured or anything like that, then you didn't clean the area or clean it well enough.
@@360Investigations This was a super old comment, so I’m not even sure what I was thinking when I wrote it, but I believe I was saying the a ground sheet will extend the life of the floor. Even if the ground is free of sharp objects, just plain dirt is a grit that will wear down the material. Also is it starting to seep a little, it’ll help. Having said all that, I’ve never actually bothered with one. 🙂
@@jimf1964 Thanks for the reply. My reply comes from a place where I've been verbally attacking the entire camping/hiking/backpacking community. I'm really sick and tired of their shit information, and pushing overly expensive gear by companies that are clearly price gouging. I've been making videos lately calling out their complete BS.
Thanks for another good video, I do subscribe to the innie because sometimes there's not a good tent pad. We have had some great rainy camping days, with the advice herein, there is no need to let rainy weather keep anyone home. Nicely done.
I think down bags are worth it. Just be mindful to keep a rain cover on your bag and keep the sleeping bag in it's own waterproof bag or garbage bag :)
personally prefer camping in the rain. usually busy canoe routes will make you think you are 7 days deep in the backcountry because everybody's gone home
How do you put up a tent in the pouring rain? I think I would put the tarp up first and then assemble the tent underneath. After the fly is on, move the tent out to where it goes.
Thank you Kevin! The tarp is a great idea. I’ll have to look for a good one. My younger brother and I are planning for the John Muir Trail this summer. Your advice is greatly appreciated. Merry Christmas.
Hey Kevin love the videos was wondering what your average pack load weight is. You seem to favor more of a comfort luxury style hiking/backpack camping. I put my gear together for mostly ultra light style but noticed wow when I get to camp I really miss comforts and find myself getting bored or just not enjoying the camping aspect as much as the hiking because I brought the bare minimum. Like your tarp idea I love it! I use a tent and find if I get to camp and it’s drizzling I hate just sitting in the tent like I wasted the point of going camping. I guess these days with busy lifestyle not much free time work kids house I favor the fun backpack camping trip as opposed to long hikes carrying minimum gear I just feel like I can relax more having a comfortable camping experience then a long grueling hike and bare minimum to just crash at night. I’m thinking maybe I should look into Hammock camping since it virtually comes with a tarp a bed and technically a comfortable seat to swing in and enjoy the outdoors.
Thanks for the excellent question Papp! I keep a spreadsheet of gear I bring on many of my trips and I isolate Base Weight from Consumables (food, fuel, water, toothpaste etc.) Here are some base weight values of various trips (relating to videos I have). I have also included the camera gear weight as that is something anyone can do without... Isle Royale total 22lb (camera gear 2.1), Superior Hiking Trail 29lb (camera gear 1.9), Lake Superior Provincial Park 23.6lb (camera gear 1.6). I am clearly not an 'ultra-lighter' but I do keep my pack weight in check. Finding the right balance for you is what you want to achieve. What are the goals of your trip? What do you enjoy about backpacking? Location? Scenery? Comradery? Experience? I have met folks on the trail who have talked my ear off about how their base weight is 12, or 11, or even under 10 lbs. All the while looking at my gravity water filter with envy as they proudly describe their sawyer straw - The most boring people I have ever met! :) There is such a thing as stupid light. I guess that is what they are out there for, to tell others that they have figured it all out and know better than you. Food is about 1 lb per day dry weight. I try and keep my total pack weight under 30 lbs but I will do 35 or more if it is a longer hike. Look, if you pack your own bag and you are having fun you are doing it right! Don't let anyone else tell you different. I have a number of items on a 'wish list' that I swap in or out depending on conditions. If it looks like good weather the GORE-TEX socks, and Tarp sometimes get left behind. Also Bear Spray is something that I bring religiously in the Rockies or in Northern Ontario but on the Superior Hiking Trail I don't bother with. Trips in the shoulder season or at altitude will include a down jacket, and a sleeping bag liner. I hope this helps. Somehow I would like to make a video about this in under 10 min!!
Hi I went first time çamping with tent and rain came ...my tent went soak wet and I was so upset because I was wet on the middle of the night ....is every tent leaks like that????
Not every tent leaks but even a top of the line new tent will leak if it is pitched in the wrong place or the wrong way. Often new campers will pitch the tent by accident in a place where water collects. They wake up and realize the floor of the tent is wet. I can't say for sure but it sounds like that may be what happened.
...a really baggy industrial rain suit, with a farmer john works for me...lotsa air circulation underneath, even if it's a bit warm out...and a wide-brimmed hard-hat...
Gt advice kevin. One thing i have noticed about tents is the fly is too short and can allow water to drip onto the tent just above the tub floor protection. It then runs inside and pools. Poor design.
Patrick, excellent question. Generally, No. I do use good quality tents that don't need a tarp above them. And, I do use a tarp to make a separate dry area that I often refer to as my outdoor 'living room'. But, sometimes I do pitch my tent under the tarp. I might do this because I expect heavy dew and don't want to carry a heavy tent the next day. Or because I think it might rain sideways and the tarp might keep the rain out of my open door that allows for better ventilation. Usually if I pitch the tent under the tarp I am solo tripping and the size of the tarp can accommodate both the tent and outside living space for one person.
That is a challenge. If it is raining and you really need it dry a fire can help but of course there is the issue of sparks potentially destroying your pad so you will want to keep it well away from the flames and sparks. And I recognize fire isn't always an option. If I had to use a wet pad before I got a chance to dry it properly in the sun I would probably sacrifice a t-shirt or something and just wipe it off as best I could. There is no great answer here except to keep all your sleeping gear dry. Dry bags or even simple trash compacter bags can keep you comfortable.
Hey Kevin great video. I have a question that the ground sheet discussion in this video brought to mind. Sometimes while camping even with a properly sized ground sheet I get some water forming on the floor of the tent. Is this condensation simply from a temperature change from ground to tent interior? If so is there ways to prevent this from happening
Humm, hard to say. If it is forming as small droplets I would guess that it is condensation but condensation will usually form on the inside of your fly first. If it is forming small puddles of water on the floor I would suggest that the floor probably isn't watertight. Fabric waterproofness is measured in terms of the pressure required to push water through the fabric. A fabric may be waterproof in that water falling on it won't penetrate but if you lay on a spot and there is water underneath it may still push up through the fabric. I would experiment a bit. Perhaps place the fabric over a bucket and clip it in place then pour some water on the fabric and leave it there overnight. If water is leaking through then it is your fabric. A silicon spray may help. Also double check the seams, they are usually the first thing to cause leaking.
@@KevinOutdoors yeah it definitely collects in small droplets. This has occured even in non rainy or non wet conditions so I'm suspecting it's condensation. It is just odd that even with the ground sheet it seems ot be happening
Hi Kevin, Great video !!! I got into trouble when i was camping in near tobermory about 14 years back. this was my first camping in Ontario and we had heavy showers for about 15-20 mins and these were totally unexpected. I did not had trap, all my gears were wet, and I had firestarter liquid but fire-wood also wet. I was not able to start fire and I was also suppose to cook as well on fire. It was already 8 pm and getting dark. how would handle these situation ? just to let you know since then I have always done camping in mid July until Aug end.
Number 1, bring a tarp. A tarp provides great refuge in rainy conditions and will take the stress out of a lot of situations. Regarding fires and although I don't feature a lot of bushcraft on my channel, I think it is important to know how to make a fire in the rain. Bringing a dry fire starter and a lighter is a good idea for a beginner. If you have time you should practice making fire in wet conditions and have and learn how to use a good quality fire steel. When you know how to use one it is more reliable than a lighter. Lern the skills and how to gather good burning material. Birch bark will usually burn even when wet and it can be pulled apart and scraped to reveal dry layers. You can also find small dead twigs, still dry, and still on the tree under the canopy of large conifers. Also finding standing dead trees and splitting them open is very effective as the wood will be dry on the inside. Making feather sticks from the inside of a split dead stem is ideal in wet conditions.
Hi Scottie, I did mean compactor bags. Trash compactors aren't a thing here in Canada so you won't find those bags in local stores. You can find them online from American sellers. Garbage bags work too but it hard to find a light coloured bag that is also heavy duty.
@@KevinOutdoors Gotcha! On the BWCA forums online a lot of us talk about bringing a portage pack lined with a contractor bag. That kind of heavy duty, 55 gallon bag usually meant for construction debris. I absolutely have been LOVING your channel and have turned on a few friends to it. A dehydrator, a vacuum sealer, and your book are the only things on my Christmas list this year! Keep up the great dehydrating videos!
@@scottiebaldwin Thanks Scottie, much appreciated. I will have to check out 'contractor' bags. Anything heavy duty will work a light color is handy to see stuff inside.
Ha, well good thing I don't live in the U.K. I don't normally do that, most of the time I am perfectly comfortable in front of the camera. Something that day gave me a nervous clap.
Hi Isadora, I have a 'Guides Tarp' from MEC (Mountain Equipment Coop) here in Canada, it is 2.9 x 3.9 m and is great for small groups or solo canoe tripping. I also have a Sil Nylon 'Scout Tarp' also from MEC which is 2.9 x 2.1 m. It is much lighter and great for 1-2 people backpacking. I don't own any, but have camped under tarps made by Cooke Custom Sewing. CCS is a small cottage industry tarp manufacturer in the U.S. They make great quality tarps of different sizes and have multiple loops to support the tarp form above. Good luck!
Hi Devin, (my nephew) I would but, know what? The folks who watch my videos are not the same folks who will watch yours. My audience tends to be older folks who like to camp, canoe and hike. Your audience is younger people who like 4 wheelers (and Chevrolets). :) I have an idea for a video about 'UA-camrs I Watch'. If I make that one you will definitely get a shout out! K?
It depends on the quality of the tent and how old it is. Usually tents start leaking through the holes in the stitches and that is why they are sealed with a tape. The tape can deteriorate over time. And the fabric can also simply wear out over time from UV light.
Hi Monika, that is a tough question. There is no such thing as a 'best tent'. First consider your use of it. Are you a car camper or do you aspire to do long backpacking hikes? Then the season, do you need a three season tent or a 4 season tent. Then consider your budget, even cheap tents can be good tents. When I started out I bought inexpensive tents but treated them with silicon spray and sealed the seams myself. But generally speaking more expensive tents will be better. Consider how much room you need and how you will use it, I have some tents that tall people can't use comfortably and I have some two person tents that my wife and I are very tight in. A tent is a big purchase but it is one of your most important pieces of gear. Do lots of research and visit multiple stores and talk with the sales people. Also like I said before where you pitch the tent can be as important in keeping it dry as how good a tent you have so learn to find sites that don't collect water. Good luck! and welcome to backpacking! We all learn best from failure so don't get discouraged because you had one wet night!
@@KevinOutdoors thank u for your replay . I am thinking to get tent 2-3 bedroom for 6-8 people's lòts of space to specialy with kids 😊looking for tent which will be for sure waterproof better to have strong one suitable for any weather and any time ...maybe you can recommend some Please?
good video with lots of advise, your right on rain gear I've used it on rainy days when hiking and was just as wet on the inside after, good if your in camp walking around but hiking I just leave it off now
Thanks Craig, I couldn't agree more. Generally speaking it is more important to have warm dry clothes to put on at the end of the day.
yes your right on that
Take a drink each time Kevin claps. Cheers.
He reminds me of a TV talk show host with his constant and maddening clapping....lol
Thats funny
I am now drunk
Because of your comment, I just went to the fridge and got one.
9 in the first 60 seconds!
I'm not surprised that you received so many 'likes' on this video, it hit all the highlights! As someone who has camped many a rainy May 2-4 weekend in their youth, there are few components more important than 1) a tarp and 2) a positive attitude :)
Thanks so much!
The final point about having a sunny disposition was fantastic. Great camping information, subbed!
Awesome, thank you!
Loved the “serious lecturing” voice with which you relate the scouting advice on synthetic bags! So much better to do all you can to keep your bag dry in the first place, whatever the fill is. Useful video, thanks.
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback.
I really appreciate your excellent and thoughtful videos. You’re like the experienced backcountry friend I always wished I had. I love the ‘sunny disposition’ advice because I really find that attitude can turn tough challenges into the best and funniest experiences. I’m about to take my 3 kids on a 5-day paddle trip with rain in the forecast, so I’m soaking up the advice. I’m watching your videos while I prepare dehydrated meals from your cook book. So grateful I found your channel!
Thanks, much appreciated 👍
Today I bought a roll of Reflectix to make three pot cozys and some Tyvek to make two tent underlays (even though solo I’m a hammock sleeper). Thanks Kevin for the amazing advice!!
That is awesome, have fun with the projects!
Great video. I agree with everything you say. Keep things dry and you should be good. Water proof your tent. Fly and bottom every year.
Thanks Rob, wise words!
A loose fitting poncho allows air to circulate underneath. In most (not all) instances, this takes care of body heat and condensation inside the rain gear.
Excellent comment. If I was to re-make the video I would add that. Poncho's aren't as common as they used to be in outdoor stores but the online cottage industry has many to offer.
For years I had to do solo trips because nobody I knew was interested in backpacking. Whenever it rained I just decided to stay home or leave early. But now I have friends, and have had to learn to suck it up. I ended up sewing a lightweight tarp to chill under at camp. Good advice you've given.
Thanks Arcana!
Thanks very much for a great information video ! Great work ! ✔
Zip lock plastic bags ( 8:12 ) ✔
Garbage bags ( 9:19 ) ✔
Tarp ( 10:20 ) ✔ A good Tarp is worth it's weight in gold, when it rains !
( Written 2 January 2021 )
Good advice. I agree with most of the ideas in this video, especially setting up your tent in a place that won't flood, electing to hike without raingear on occasion and using a tarp. My own experience using a wet hollow-fill bag is as follows: I was hiking in Denali Nat. Park with 2 ladies from NYC (I'm from the UK). We got caught in a downpour and due to my sloppiness in packing my backpack, my sleeping bag (NorthFace Snow Shoe, hollow-fill) got soaked. I remember the sense of dread that came over me when I realized my only sleeping option on a very cold night was going to be a soaking wet sleeping bag. Getting into it was most unpleasant...along the lines of putting on soaking wet, cold wool socks before going hiking. Anyway after about 5 minutes I was surprised to discover the inside of my formerly wet bag was now dry, the outside still soaking wet. I managed to get of to sleep shortly after. Upon waking the next morning I found that my sleeping bag was completely dry, due to my body heat over the previous several hours. Conclusion: getting into a wet hollow-fill bag isn't pleasant, BUT after 5 minutes it's okay AND keeps the heat in. Hope my story is helpful.
Great story! Thanks for sharing it.
It makes sense to actually get wet if high end clothing is gonna get you wet on the inside and the temperature is warm/hot.ankle gators sounds better and cheaper.interesting what you said about tents also.who's the 42 dislikes from? High end retailers?
Thanks for the comment. Dislikes seem to come whenever something gets popular. Admittedly not my best day in front of the camera and many said I clapped too much. But should that generate a 'dislike' LOL
The Tilley hat is a great investment. I have had one for 15 years. Trash compacter bags are heavy gauge plastic and work great in wet conditions. They are kinda hard to find even in the US but Amazon has them cheap. Great thing is they can easily be reused on the next camp. I also invested in a sleeping bag insert. It seems to add about 10 degrees F in warmth in cold weather and if its too hot for the sleeping bag the insert makes a great sleeping bag itself. The idea of the tent footprint inside the tent is interesting. I think I would still lake a conventional footprint under the tent to protect the bottom but a footprint inside would just add another layer of protection so maybe both?
The Tilley is the best hat I have ever owned for rain or sun! Sleeping bag inserts are completely worth it! Thanks Abe!
Thanks for posting these tips!! Cheers.
Glad you like them!
I would like to know about how to enjoy hiking in the rain. One thing I like being outside in rainy days are that the air I consume makes my stresses go away. But I also like the ambient noise it has to offer. Note that I have been going outside but wasn't confident in going through the rainy situations. But I love the way how Japanese anime music portrays nature in such beautiful way, like the lyrics from a SEKAI NO OWARI, RAIN says "magic will eventually fall, as we all know it" the song connecting to this phrase says "rainbow will soon fade away, but it grown a lot of trees that way." Magic like rain they will eventually fade away, but that makes the legend the generational. With this lyrics highlighted (tried my best to translate it) I thought of rain as a natural process and as a kid who is born in the concrete land that he feels limited by his own thoughts and environment. If I can identify by my own enjoyment of being outside, what are your stories when you first explored wilderness in rainy conditions?
Very interesting question Makoto. I appreciate the perspective on nature that Japanese culture has given you. I have had a rural Canadian upbringing and so I see rain in a little less poetic and more utilitarian way, hence the content of the video, but I still find rain beautiful.
When I was younger I had lots of camping in the rain experiences. Many of which weren't good. Waking up in the middle of the night with a wet sleeping bag isn't pleasant. But I have learned that unless it is cold it is just water and won't hurt you. And, I have learned how to stay dry.
When I was young I went to a summer camp and I remember going on an overnight camping trip. We hiked all day in the rain and were mostly miserable. The leader of the group heard us complain and took a moment to talk about how warm the rain was and that it was a good rain, good for the crops. I stopped complaining about the rain after that.
You can't have pleasant without experiencing unpleasant. Rain is just part of the experience and it may take time but being in nature during rain can be enjoyable. Thanks! I hope I came close to answering your question.
I totally agree about bringing a tarp. However I have struggled with getting a tarp setup where we don’t get smoke coming into the tarp from the fire or having the tarp too far away from the fire and we can’t get the warmth from the fire, at least not all of us. I also find it much more comfortable if the tarp is high enough to stand up, so in some treeless areas I bring a 1lb tarp pole.
I would love to find more specific tips on tarp setups for small groups while having a fire.
I just spent a weekend camping with my kids and it rained the entire time. I got a headache from the smoke.
Great tips. I would add ; bring a UCO lantern. 15 to 30 minutes before you gobto bed, ligth it in your tent. That will burn off all the humidity.
Great tip!
I got a chuckle at your comment about trash compactor bags. Though I live in the States and waltzed right into a local home improvement store a bought a box, I’ve never known anybody who has a trash compactor!
LOL, I have never seen one up here either. There might be some store somewhere that sells them in Canada but they are certainly a rare item.
I saw one in 1973 and have not seen another one since. Those bags are kinda hard to locate but Amazon has them.
@@KevinOutdoors I think they are the same or very similar to "contractor" bags in Canada.
www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/frank-insanely-thick-contractor-bags-5-pk-1421556p.html#srp
Yes, I think it's the kitchen garbage disposals that are more common in the US than Canada. A trash compactor is more of an industrial machine than a household item, I believe.
I like poncho’s for rain gear, they have an added bonus of being a tarp for sheltering whilst eating.
Ponchos make a lot of sense as they provide excellent ventilation.
Watched this one last night. Great advice.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great and helpful tips!
Thanks for watching!
lot of good information. thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Never let rain in the forecast deter you from going out. The key is being prepared. Excellent advice Kevin. I’m not a fan of waterproof boots on multi day trips as they take a lot longer to dry out when they get wet (winter is a different story) although I can’t commit to switching over to trail runners, I prefer boots with mesh tops for breathabilty...that being said, I carry a spare set of insoles and an extra pair of wool socks.
I haven't switched to trail runners yet. Those who do say it was the right decision. Boots and keeping your feet dry could be another whole video. Usually on a hiking trip I prefer waterproof boots but when I am on a canoe trip there is a big decision to make. Do I try and keep my feet dry getting in and out of the boat and portaging through swamps or do I bring a lighter non-waterproof pair of hikers and just get them wet.
Thanks for the info. This is a great video with lots of wisdom. I was raised with a dad that brought my brother and I camping most of our child hood : )
Great experiences to get out and do camping early in life!
Thanks Kevin! A lot of helpful perspective in here.
I've taken the just-get-wet approach a couple of times when commuting on my bike in warm weather, and I know I can change in to fresh clothes at my destination. A free shower always beats a sweaty sauna. Never had a chance to try it in the backcountry - my biggest worry would be draining all that rain right into my boots, boots that I'd have to stick my feet back into all next day. Never seen a decent pair of hiking boots that could dry overnight, especially in damp weather. Good to know some simple gaiters make a big difference.
Thanks Riley, yes wet boots are a 2-4 day commitment. :)
Great video Kevin! Thanks for all the advice! Will definitely be using your tips!
Glad it was helpful!
Great video, alaska nessecitates the right gear. Good tips!
Thanks!
I particularly liked the ground sheet idea, and yes, tarps are a must, but I think the advantage for synthetic bags is they'll dry faster, and down will also mat. I love down, and will take my down bag when it gets close to zero or below, but in warmer wetter weather I take a cheaper synthetic.
Good plan!
A ground sheet/footprint is completely useless.
It won't stop any type of water/condensation nor will it do anything for warmth.
If your tent gets punctured or anything like that, then you didn't clean the area or clean it well enough.
@@360Investigations This was a super old comment, so I’m not even sure what I was thinking when I wrote it, but I believe I was saying the a ground sheet will extend the life of the floor. Even if the ground is free of sharp objects, just plain dirt is a grit that will wear down the material. Also is it starting to seep a little, it’ll help.
Having said all that, I’ve never actually bothered with one. 🙂
@@jimf1964 Thanks for the reply. My reply comes from a place where I've been verbally attacking the entire camping/hiking/backpacking community.
I'm really sick and tired of their shit information, and pushing overly expensive gear by companies that are clearly price gouging.
I've been making videos lately calling out their complete BS.
Thank you for your useful tips. We'll be going camping soon hopefully we dont get rain so much.. cheers 😉😊
Glad it was of some use!
Awesome video my friend! Thanks for sharing and stay blessed
Thanks!
Thanks for another good video, I do subscribe to the innie because sometimes there's not a good tent pad. We have had some great rainy camping days, with the advice herein, there is no need to let rainy weather keep anyone home. Nicely done.
Thanks Mama! Rain is probably what keeps most people from going camping in the first place.
Very good video Kevin, thanks and take care.
Thanks Quinn, much appreciated!
Concise and informative. Thank you.
Thanks Don!
Great video
Thanks!
Great tips. Thanks for sharing. Take care and have a good one.
Much appreciated Crazy Horse Johnny!
I think down bags are worth it. Just be mindful to keep a rain cover on your bag and keep the sleeping bag in it's own waterproof bag or garbage bag :)
They certainly are.
personally prefer camping in the rain. usually busy canoe routes will make you think you are 7 days deep in the backcountry because everybody's gone home
Makes sense to me!
Great advice thank u
You are welcome.
How do you put up a tent in the pouring rain? I think I would put the tarp up first and then assemble the tent underneath. After the fly is on, move the tent out to where it goes.
That's exactly how I do it.
Great channel, wow 6000 subs your channel is growing for a good reason 👍. Keep it up.
Thanks Mike. Much apprecaited. My goal is to break 10k. I should be able to do it in a year or two. Hopefully less :)
Subbed because:
-great video, lots of good tips
-Canadian (like myself)
-incredibly positive attitude
Thanks you so much!
Thank you Kevin! The tarp is a great idea. I’ll have to look for a good one. My younger brother and I are planning for the John Muir Trail this summer. Your advice is greatly appreciated. Merry Christmas.
Thanks Paul, Wow the famous JMT! Have a great trip! All the best and Merry Christmas to you.
Hey Kevin love the videos was wondering what your average pack load weight is. You seem to favor more of a comfort luxury style hiking/backpack camping. I put my gear together for mostly ultra light style but noticed wow when I get to camp I really miss comforts and find myself getting bored or just not enjoying the camping aspect as much as the hiking because I brought the bare minimum. Like your tarp idea I love it! I use a tent and find if I get to camp and it’s drizzling I hate just sitting in the tent like I wasted the point of going camping. I guess these days with busy lifestyle not much free time work kids house I favor the fun backpack camping trip as opposed to long hikes carrying minimum gear I just feel like I can relax more having a comfortable camping experience then a long grueling hike and bare minimum to just crash at night. I’m thinking maybe I should look into Hammock camping since it virtually comes with a tarp a bed and technically a comfortable seat to swing in and enjoy the outdoors.
Thanks for the excellent question Papp!
I keep a spreadsheet of gear I bring on many of my trips and I isolate Base Weight from Consumables (food, fuel, water, toothpaste etc.) Here are some base weight values of various trips (relating to videos I have). I have also included the camera gear weight as that is something anyone can do without... Isle Royale total 22lb (camera gear 2.1), Superior Hiking Trail 29lb (camera gear 1.9), Lake Superior Provincial Park 23.6lb (camera gear 1.6). I am clearly not an 'ultra-lighter' but I do keep my pack weight in check. Finding the right balance for you is what you want to achieve. What are the goals of your trip? What do you enjoy about backpacking? Location? Scenery? Comradery? Experience? I have met folks on the trail who have talked my ear off about how their base weight is 12, or 11, or even under 10 lbs. All the while looking at my gravity water filter with envy as they proudly describe their sawyer straw - The most boring people I have ever met! :) There is such a thing as stupid light. I guess that is what they are out there for, to tell others that they have figured it all out and know better than you.
Food is about 1 lb per day dry weight. I try and keep my total pack weight under 30 lbs but I will do 35 or more if it is a longer hike.
Look, if you pack your own bag and you are having fun you are doing it right! Don't let anyone else tell you different.
I have a number of items on a 'wish list' that I swap in or out depending on conditions. If it looks like good weather the GORE-TEX socks, and Tarp sometimes get left behind. Also Bear Spray is something that I bring religiously in the Rockies or in Northern Ontario but on the Superior Hiking Trail I don't bother with. Trips in the shoulder season or at altitude will include a down jacket, and a sleeping bag liner.
I hope this helps. Somehow I would like to make a video about this in under 10 min!!
Hi I went first time çamping with tent and rain came ...my tent went soak wet and I was so upset because I was wet on the middle of the night ....is every tent leaks like that????
Not every tent leaks but even a top of the line new tent will leak if it is pitched in the wrong place or the wrong way. Often new campers will pitch the tent by accident in a place where water collects. They wake up and realize the floor of the tent is wet. I can't say for sure but it sounds like that may be what happened.
Really helpful video
Glad it was helpful! Good luck!
Great tips, thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Good common sense, its the same skiing, you can easily work up a sweat.
Nothing wrong getting wet IF you can get dry.
Thanks Gerard, yes definitely goes for skiing too.
I'm going to be camping in the rain seasons in the summer
Stay dry! :)
Thank god, theres only 200 videos about camping in the rain.
Thanks Gerard, I'll take that as it is. ATB on Easter!
cant camp or hike anymore but good info. just to let you know i have dehydrated beef, deer, chicken, turkey and ham up to know.
You've been busy! Thanks Phoebe!
we are going camping this weekend and looks like there'll be some rain. thanks for the helpful tips!
...a really baggy industrial rain suit, with a farmer john works for me...lotsa air circulation underneath, even if it's a bit warm out...and a wide-brimmed hard-hat...
That will work. 😀
Gt advice kevin. One thing i have noticed about tents is the fly is too short and can allow water to drip onto the tent just above the tub floor protection. It then runs inside and pools. Poor design.
Absolutely!
thanks 4 that
You are welcome!
dumb q but do you put your tent under the tarp? Or is your tent good enough and you use the tarp as a separate dry area outside the tent?
Patrick, excellent question. Generally, No. I do use good quality tents that don't need a tarp above them. And, I do use a tarp to make a separate dry area that I often refer to as my outdoor 'living room'.
But, sometimes I do pitch my tent under the tarp. I might do this because I expect heavy dew and don't want to carry a heavy tent the next day. Or because I think it might rain sideways and the tarp might keep the rain out of my open door that allows for better ventilation. Usually if I pitch the tent under the tarp I am solo tripping and the size of the tarp can accommodate both the tent and outside living space for one person.
@@KevinOutdoors awesome thank you
Do you know how to dry out your sleeping pad?
That is a challenge. If it is raining and you really need it dry a fire can help but of course there is the issue of sparks potentially destroying your pad so you will want to keep it well away from the flames and sparks. And I recognize fire isn't always an option. If I had to use a wet pad before I got a chance to dry it properly in the sun I would probably sacrifice a t-shirt or something and just wipe it off as best I could. There is no great answer here except to keep all your sleeping gear dry. Dry bags or even simple trash compacter bags can keep you comfortable.
Hey Kevin great video. I have a question that the ground sheet discussion in this video brought to mind. Sometimes while camping even with a properly sized ground sheet I get some water forming on the floor of the tent. Is this condensation simply from a temperature change from ground to tent interior? If so is there ways to prevent this from happening
Humm, hard to say. If it is forming as small droplets I would guess that it is condensation but condensation will usually form on the inside of your fly first. If it is forming small puddles of water on the floor I would suggest that the floor probably isn't watertight. Fabric waterproofness is measured in terms of the pressure required to push water through the fabric. A fabric may be waterproof in that water falling on it won't penetrate but if you lay on a spot and there is water underneath it may still push up through the fabric.
I would experiment a bit. Perhaps place the fabric over a bucket and clip it in place then pour some water on the fabric and leave it there overnight. If water is leaking through then it is your fabric. A silicon spray may help. Also double check the seams, they are usually the first thing to cause leaking.
@@KevinOutdoors yeah it definitely collects in small droplets. This has occured even in non rainy or non wet conditions so I'm suspecting it's condensation. It is just odd that even with the ground sheet it seems ot be happening
if its a plain terrain ? any one have a recommendation ?
New subscriber, great content 💯👍🏕🌧
Thanks and welcome!
Hi Kevin, Great video !!! I got into trouble when i was camping in near tobermory about 14 years back. this was my first camping in Ontario and we had heavy showers for about 15-20 mins and these were totally unexpected. I did not had trap, all my gears were wet, and I had firestarter liquid but fire-wood also wet. I was not able to start fire and I was also suppose to cook as well on fire. It was already 8 pm and getting dark. how would handle these situation ? just to let you know since then I have always done camping in mid July until Aug end.
Number 1, bring a tarp. A tarp provides great refuge in rainy conditions and will take the stress out of a lot of situations.
Regarding fires and although I don't feature a lot of bushcraft on my channel, I think it is important to know how to make a fire in the rain. Bringing a dry fire starter and a lighter is a good idea for a beginner. If you have time you should practice making fire in wet conditions and have and learn how to use a good quality fire steel. When you know how to use one it is more reliable than a lighter. Lern the skills and how to gather good burning material. Birch bark will usually burn even when wet and it can be pulled apart and scraped to reveal dry layers. You can also find small dead twigs, still dry, and still on the tree under the canopy of large conifers. Also finding standing dead trees and splitting them open is very effective as the wood will be dry on the inside. Making feather sticks from the inside of a split dead stem is ideal in wet conditions.
I think Kevin meant “contractor” bags instead of “compactor” bags. I don’t know of ANYONE that has a trash compactor!
Hi Scottie, I did mean compactor bags. Trash compactors aren't a thing here in Canada so you won't find those bags in local stores. You can find them online from American sellers. Garbage bags work too but it hard to find a light coloured bag that is also heavy duty.
@@KevinOutdoors Gotcha! On the BWCA forums online a lot of us talk about bringing a portage pack lined with a contractor bag. That kind of heavy duty, 55 gallon bag usually meant for construction debris. I absolutely have been LOVING your channel and have turned on a few friends to it. A dehydrator, a vacuum sealer, and your book are the only things on my Christmas list this year! Keep up the great dehydrating videos!
@@scottiebaldwin Thanks Scottie, much appreciated. I will have to check out 'contractor' bags. Anything heavy duty will work a light color is handy to see stuff inside.
Very good video Kevin thanks for the advices. Maybe less hand clapping in the future. 😊
Thanks! Sorry for all the clapping. I seem to develop a unique manerism for each video I do.
I often end up booking a hotel
That isn't a wrong answer 😃
God bless you
Thanks!
Love your vids
Thanks, much appreciated!
In the UK a slow handclap is not good Kev.
Ha, well good thing I don't live in the U.K. I don't normally do that, most of the time I am perfectly comfortable in front of the camera. Something that day gave me a nervous clap.
What is the brand of tarp that you recommend?
Hi Isadora, I have a 'Guides Tarp' from MEC (Mountain Equipment Coop) here in Canada, it is 2.9 x 3.9 m and is great for small groups or solo canoe tripping. I also have a Sil Nylon 'Scout Tarp' also from MEC which is 2.9 x 2.1 m. It is much lighter and great for 1-2 people backpacking. I don't own any, but have camped under tarps made by Cooke Custom Sewing. CCS is a small cottage industry tarp manufacturer in the U.S. They make great quality tarps of different sizes and have multiple loops to support the tarp form above. Good luck!
Outdoor people talk about their gear like city peope talk about their sneakers 🤣
Learned:
Roof line for tent need to extend past inside tent
Consider buying ankle gators
Ha, we do.
Kevin could I have a shout out pls I won't make fun of your Ford anymore🐸
Hi Devin, (my nephew)
I would but, know what? The folks who watch my videos are not the same folks who will watch yours. My audience tends to be older folks who like to camp, canoe and hike. Your audience is younger people who like 4 wheelers (and Chevrolets). :) I have an idea for a video about 'UA-camrs I Watch'. If I make that one you will definitely get a shout out! K?
Kevin Outdoors yes bud
Hi is every tent leaks from the roofs or Windows? Or on the steaches ? Thank you
It depends on the quality of the tent and how old it is. Usually tents start leaking through the holes in the stitches and that is why they are sealed with a tape. The tape can deteriorate over time. And the fabric can also simply wear out over time from UV light.
@@KevinOutdoors thank u for replay. Which tent is best to buy ? Mine was cheap one from asda made wanted to try camping ...
Hi Monika, that is a tough question. There is no such thing as a 'best tent'. First consider your use of it. Are you a car camper or do you aspire to do long backpacking hikes? Then the season, do you need a three season tent or a 4 season tent. Then consider your budget, even cheap tents can be good tents. When I started out I bought inexpensive tents but treated them with silicon spray and sealed the seams myself. But generally speaking more expensive tents will be better. Consider how much room you need and how you will use it, I have some tents that tall people can't use comfortably and I have some two person tents that my wife and I are very tight in. A tent is a big purchase but it is one of your most important pieces of gear. Do lots of research and visit multiple stores and talk with the sales people. Also like I said before where you pitch the tent can be as important in keeping it dry as how good a tent you have so learn to find sites that don't collect water. Good luck! and welcome to backpacking! We all learn best from failure so don't get discouraged because you had one wet night!
@@KevinOutdoors thank u for your replay . I am thinking to get tent 2-3 bedroom for 6-8 people's lòts of space to specialy with kids 😊looking for tent which will be for sure waterproof better to have strong one suitable for any weather and any time ...maybe you can recommend some Please?
Hey Kevin just subscribed to your channel !!! Very cool & nice work with your channel & videos
replace toilet paper + zip log bag with baby wipes :)
A neglected subject well presented :)
Thanks Andy!
Kevin Outdoors
No problem pal, I enjoyed it.
How do you dry out and hang wet clothes?
That is tricky. I do it under the tarp but on a wet rainy and humid day they won't dry. Only a good fire will dry wet clothes on a wet day.
Pretty good stuff, I havent heard of those socks or a few other ideas. Stop clapping though.
harduckn I think - Sealskinz - is one of those brands!
The brand I have is 'Rocky' 'Rocky Stretch GORE-TEX Oversocks'. Their sizes are terrible. I wear a size 9 boot and a size 12 Rocky.
Thanks!
pit zips
Yep, I don't know if I mentioned it but that jacket I am wearing has nice large pit zips. Very important!
Hamptidampti
Over 50 cant camp in the rain pain can get you sick
That's too bad. I just hit 50, my adventure days are numbered.
@@KevinOutdoors you can, but some of us 50s can't over bone peobpems.
why are you clapping your hands all the time
Because I am happy and I know it.
Loved the information, but please don't clap your hands.
Thanks, I don't know what was wrong with me that day :)
Your hand clapping in annoying please keep your hands still
Who has the money for spoiled rich gear?
People who work hard. Is a rain jacket and a tarp really 'spoiled rich gear'?
just wanna see rain not yapping
LOL, OK I'll make a 30 min video of rain just for you.
Stop clapping your hands !
I don't know what got into me that day.
stop clapping!
👏👏👏 sorry can't help myself 👏 👏 👏