The Zeekr Mix is one of the most interesting cars to come out of the exhibition as well as the Jac e30x. One of the main things I see missed is the advancements CATL continues to make. A condensed battery of 500wh/kg should be the highlight of the video.
Disagree, that battery isn't relevant until it's powering a car people can buy - Fully Charged have covered plenty of new tech that has never happened it's better they focus on the present/near-future
The Chinese auto industry, in particular the EV industry is just so far ahead of everyone else. Imagine living in a country where you can't buy any of these? USA cough cough.
The world's 1 and only ev sales leader is tesla, you know a U.S. based company! Built the first battery cell gigafactory opening in 2016 here! Go live in China if you want those not cheap when compared to per capita income and cost of living unsafe little evs! We won't miss you.👍🏻 And China charges the EU and us as much or more in tariffs on our cars as we charge them for theirs. 😀
The whole situation with the Chinese EVs and stuff kind of annoys me. Not because China's supposed to be bad or anything like that. It's just that most of the rest of the world feels like it doesn't even want to catch up to the Chinese brands... Some companies are working towards it, but so many are just so stubborn and stuck that they don't want to do anything to actually improve. They just keep forcing ICE vehicles and going back on EV plans... I just find it annoying that most companies around the world aren't really willing to provide such cool cars. And after so much talk of becoming less dependent on China and whatnot, we're back to depending on them if we want an actually cool car that doesn't cost an arm, a leg and a brother or something...
Totally understandable and reasonable comment. What if I told you that the legacy automakers have all acknowledged that they CANNOT beat China in EVs and that they know it's too late. If you accept that as a fact, what should they do now? Does that better explain why they're doing what they're doing? Some recent articles to consider, "Ford Chairman admits US can't compete with China on EVs", "China’s EV competition is so fierce that Volkswagen ‘cannot keep up’", "Elon Musk Warns That Chinese Automakers Will “Demolish” Western Rivals Unless Trade Barriers Are Established". A Goldman Sachs analyst wrote recently (sorry can't find the article) that all legacy automaker CEOs have realised that they cannot compete with China. The most obvious immediate solution is to put up barriers to entry in domestic markets as the USA has done and as the EU is contemplating. The other is to put out propaganda to confuse the consumer as the US and Japan are presently doing.
@@ericawong2135 do blather on about why China enforces as high or higher tariffs on EU and us cars, as the eu&U.S. charges on them! 👍🏻 You people never seem to want to talk about that simple FACT. The guy running stellantis knows what's UP though. 15-40% Chinese import tariffs on ALL us&EU cars. Vs 10% for Chinese car exports into the eu and 27% on all foreign cars here in america. 😀
@@ericawong2135 that's an interesting view, but I believe the matter is quite more complicated than it appears. Legacy car makers are not exactly doing nothing. Many of them, having realized it's too late to catch up with China, are signing deals to cooperate with Chinese EV automakers. This will allow them to produce legacy brands cars based on Chinese EV platforms. There is also another major thing to consider: EV charging infrastructure. This is a responsibility of Countries' governments. If a Country has an underdeveloped chargers' network, how can EVs be expected to sell well? Why should legacy carmakers invest their billions on EVs that they can't sell properly because the infrastructure is not there yet? In this regard China did a great job preparing a decent charging infrastructure, making it actually convenient for people to own an EV.
Marketing. Manufacturers convince people they need a bloated crossover so they can skid around dirt and gravel roads and intimidate other road users. They promote an awful dystopian fantasy instead of an appropriately-sized metal container that efficiently takes you to work and the shops.
Yes China has EV costs from $6,000; the latest BYD Seagull costs only $12,000, but your government have banned the imports of them in fear of destroying the legacy car manufacturers.
There are literally dozens of small EVs under 10k EUR in China. Some much much less... But most will not necessarily pass the stringent crash tests, although you can easily argue they are far safer than motorbikes or mopeds so great for the rest of the world.
We'll probably be pretty EV-efficient in the not too distant future, given our relationship with China. When it comes to ICE cars, we already have a lot of Chinese cars here in South Africa, and they're amazing.
The question is, does Africa have enough chargers for electric cars? ICE can drive anywhere, even rural and off-road, but EV needs to have charger at the location where drive to.
@@konstantinrebrov675 true but there's also home based charging which is an alternative for charging too, there's a virgin market for evs here ...we have a huge solar energy charging sector ...all home based..if overnight charging is possible ..solar is the best alternative especially for folks like me in rural off grid settings ....the huddle is getting evs at an affordable price and Chinese evs starting prices are manageable ...we can't afford eu it American brands
The Japanese took over the world's auto market in the 70s-90s because American brands didn't believe they could do it, and were too lazy to stay ahead. This is China's 'Toyota' moment. Stinks to say because I would love for an American OEM lead the way along with Tesla.
I'm fed up of comments from people ridiculing EVs. They don't know what they're talking about. Personally, I drive two top of the range EVs, a Jaguar and a Porsche Their acceleration and handling is fantastic. They look brilliant and they're really cheap to run. They need hardly any maintenance and haven't depreciated since I bought them. Literally the only criticism I could make of them is sometimes, if I really push them into a corner, they can fly off the track and get stuck under the sofa...
Fun thing is that whatever people are saying China will go on like this. They need their cities to get cleaner. They also need to get rid of their stock of US Dollars. They are buying a lot of rare earth minerals instead of holding paper.
Just had a lovely conversations on Threads with a guy who bragged how oil can be recycled. He claimed that his 20 year old VW is more efficient than modern EV cars which batteries die just after few years and then 1 EV in production cycle create MORE pollution than 20 ICE cars. I think i'll go and get some really really strong cup of coffee or maybe two because bloody hell !!
Not sure this video showed a fight back of any legacy brand. Rather it highlighted, on a minute scale, how far ahead the Chinese EV industry is ahead of the rest of the world. Living in China I've seen a transformation in those 5 years that took Hyundai 25 years. And today I see the same scale of transformation happening again. I think the legacy manufacturers didn't take China seriously. Their loss is now leading to tariffs to protect themselves. Too little, too late methinks.
"Their loss is now leading to tariffs to protect themselves. Too little, too late methinks." No, tariffs are needed as the Chinese are flooding the market with cheap EVs, something which is enabled by heavy state subsidisation. And that's not a level playing field.
Mini showing an Aceman that will probably have less than 160 miles range is not much "fighting back." The BMW Neu Klasse EVs might be great... for a price. I hope VW surprises us with a much-improved ID.3 and .4. @@thomasday3256 true, but it's not dumping. Chinese EVs cost much more in Europe and South America than they do in China.
I rejected delivery of a Model 3 Highland due to lack of stalks and gear selector, was looking at Polestar 2, Mustang Mach e and Kia Ev6. Ended up getting a Kia EV6 GT Line S! Spec list, looks, efficiency and warranty was the main factor. Got a great deal on en ex demo!
What market??? The ev market in Europe is small...and will remain small... no one is buying them except fleet buyers!! They are in for a shock when they try and get rid of them in the used car market!!...ha ha ha!!
The Chinese automakers are clearly the innovators and not the followers and copyists that they were 20 years ago and are still perceived as in the west particularly the USA which appears to be asleep with regards to the massive paradigm shift about to occur over the next 5 years
New competitors are always good for consumers even if you're not buying their products directly. You don't have to be a Chinese-brand enthusiast to enjoy the way those competitive Chinese OEMs pushing legacy OEMs very hard.
@@SasquatchMelee Smart is 50% owned by the Chinese, and Geely provides all the important bits such as platform, drivetrain, and software. All Mercedes does is the styling. MG, on the other hand, is 100% owned by the Chinese.
Americans: I can understand wanting to bolster jobs and manufacturing at home, but the last I checked, the climate crisis does NOT stop at any country's borders. We need fewer tailpipes worldwide! Immediately! If we therefore have to grit out teeth, pinch our noses, and allow China to import their EVs here… so be it. They're truly compelling vehicles!
Yes, and no... currently world-wide production isn't enough to meet demand (which is why world-wide EV sales are continuing to grow healthily). Thus, if Chinese EVs aren't sold in the US, they'll be sold in other countries - and offset the same number of vehicles (and given the low average milage of 'merkins, probably offset more emissions)... Thus in terms of impact on emissions in the short term, it's pretty minimal. However, if EV production doesn't take off in the US in the next 3-4 years then it will start to become an issue - and fast.
There isn’t a climate crisis, that’s just bad science which has been massively overhyped for money. And I’d there was, and if tiny amounts of CO2 made any difference, EVs wouldn’t be a solution. Their only purpose is making well-heeled Westerners feel better about themselves, while increasing unethical mining labour practices and environmental contamination on a massive scale.
Wow Eliott, I saw your podcast with Bobby before this video came out and now understand about the people. This was press day as well, seems nuts maybe they need to limit youtubers who only have 50 subs have a requirement and proof of subscribers(although sure there will be cheats as usually). Thank you Elliot for taking us here virtually, feel for you having to put up with all the press although really 'press' is very questionable at times.
I heard the Chinese automakers have been hiring European designers lately and it really shows, these are some absolutely gorgeous vehicles. Which begs the question... if the Chinese marques were able to find these designers and bring them to China to reinvent their brands... why couldn't the European and American automakers find these people? Especially the German marques... I don't understand what they are doing at all. Its like they all peaked in the early 2000s and then all simultaneously got amnesia and forgot what they were doing.
@@MaticTheProto Audi has spent a decade making Ford Taurus clones. VW is making bland lumps, although they are a slight improvment over the previous iteration of bland. Mercedes made some nice looking concepts that for some reason did not translate into the metal well at all. And the interiors are the cringiest, tackiest interiors in the industry right now. And BMW has been an absolute horror show of clashing design motifs and hideous grills and tacky interiors for way too long. They have some nice looking new concepts, we will see how those translate to real cars. Every single one of them had dramatically better looking cars 15 to 20 years ago, it's not even close.
@@patreekotime4578 I never even heard of the ford taurus. VW made designs that sold. Mercedes… okay yeah admittedly they do botch their production cars compared to their prototypes. But they seem to be turning things around rn. I like the interiors, they are nice to be in for the most part (aside from the hard plastic in the doors). BMW is trying to do better with the neue Klasse, but we have to see if the production cars actually are near identical to the prototypes
@@MaticTheProto Audi could have gone in the direction of the TT. Instead they went in the direction of American economy sedan. Likewise, BMW was really looking up when they introduced the Z4. Their EVs should look more like that than whatever the heck space beaver they decided on.
The (admittedly) crappy cars featured in that segment: BYD, JAC (who makes the cars for NIO), GAC Trumpchi, and SAIC Roewe. Fast forward a dozen years, BYD has literally turned into the 900 lb gorilla of the EV world, and GAC Aion and SAIC-MG are now huge hitters in the EV market. Even JAC is doing okay, if not as good as the other 3. That JAC T9 Hunter certainly looks pretty nice.
My friend, two points why Chinese EVs are not going to win: 1- Test of time. Do not forget that Chinese EV boom is very recent... we are yet to get to know the large scale number of problems of owning one (Su7 lasting only 39km is not helping). 2- Slavery in Cobalt chinese owned mines in Africa. No western market will allow chinese cars if slavery is somewhere in the chain.
@@must205 there is no cobalt in LiFePo batteries. Many Western car companies have pledged to use only responsibly-mined materials including BMW and Tesla, but there is no government legislation requiring that
There is no doubt China is miles ahead of USA/Europe why. Because they have full control of labor, supply lines, logistics and ownership. High productivity and no unions.
I'm very cool on concept cars because so few of them turn into anything and if they are rolled out it's often with only the barest resemblance to the original idea. A notable exception is the Honda E which was very close to the concept and (for me) one of the most interesting EVs brought to market. Similar can be said of the Aptera and the Lightyear.
Lightyear is bankrupt and Aptera doesn't have the money to begin volume production. The BMW i8 was an impressive realization of the fantastic EfficientDynamics Vision concept, and no matter how much you hate the look it is incredible that Cybertruck is on the road.
@@trevorberridge6079 nope, in January 2023 Lightyear halted production of the 0 model, abandoned solar cars, and "pivoted from manufacturing complete cars to supplying solar panels and other components to car manufacturers." I don't know what you mean by "sponsors". February 2024 Aptera announced "Aptera Secures $33 Million through Community-Led Program to Fund Initial Phases of Solar EV Production" Nice, but that _isn't enough_ to make 2,000 vehicles, let alone 47,000 reservations. April 2024 'Aptera is looking to begin regular production of its vehicles early next year, and perhaps “deliver a couple vehicles this year for symbolic reasons,” Anthony said.' "I want to believe" does not produce the $100M a quarter a company needs to build large numbers of cars.
@@hclau218 if someone is trying to film or take a picture, unintentionally or in this case intentionally walking past the camera is generally considered as rude, world-wide.
@@Nikoo033 Everyone is trying to snap pictures with their handphone. Maybe Elliot should step aside to let them snap? You should listen to yourself and the words you use. Words matter. BTW, Elliot and team are not the "official documentor", so do not have special rights, unless you again want to claim "Western entitlement".. We are really sick of your "entitlement" nonsense. 1984 - "some people are more equal than others" That line does not apply in 2024.
Rob's Roast (video by AIM) has some interesting comments about FCS blocking, and more.
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I am owning a BYD Dolphin. I hope that BYD will brig also «civilised» version of the Ocean-M; a hatchback of the size of the BYD Atto 3 but not as a SUV.
The Smart #5 looks amazing as an off roader, although it seems the production model got stripped off all off-road features. Such a shame. I would have purchased one. Now I will wait for the Rivian R2 instead.
He said in the podcast episode that this is a smaller show than the Shanghai show last year, so all the brands were more focused on their bigger, higher profit vehicles. Apparently Beijing is also just a higher end market. And that Mini is the biggest Mini! 😅
Early Ev makers are one generation (7 years) ahead. VW is making a hatchback, Hyundai is making a hot-hatch. And it looks like Chinees are just fresh, they started with a blanke sheet so they don't have to go down every dead-end in develping a next-gen car.
More electric MPV's please! A small MPV is ideal in my mind can be small and lightweight enough and totally make use of a skateboard platform, sliding doors etc
I wish that the Mini had a bigger battery. Surely there must be room inside it for at least another 10 kWh? After all, it's roughly twice the volume of a proper Mini.
Thanks for the work. I really like a lot of these Chinese EV's. That Smart, or several small 2--door fun or cabrio EV's. For those huge 7 seat behemoth EV's, I see little use. Specially for over 60% of the world population. . . . the 1 or 2 person households. When you have 4 kids, a dog and a canary, yes. For the masses, no. And, as cheap as they are in China, the prices are often more than double when they sell them in the EU. Around €30.000 and up, is the standard. All these promises for affordable Chinese EV's with at least a decent 300km range, for the masses are still fake stories. Except for the EU build Citroën ëC3 EV. That indeed starts below €25.000. We bought one this week. So China . . . . and Tesla . . . .you are all to late with your bla bla about a €25k affordable EV.
The people who change oil, fix emission systems, and replace spark plugs could learn new skills. An EV has far less required maintenance then a gasser.
Although all these major achievements are great (amazingly fast and effective constructions of infrastructures, high-speed rail, airports, space station, Chang'e lunar explorations, EVs, battery technology, AI leadership, aircraft carriers, shipbuilding, money-less payment systems, excellent treatments on the people in Xinjiang/Tibet, etc., etc.), however the most important aspect and characteristics of China is its peaceful nature in its global policies. The friendliness of its population toward visiting guests is another beauty of China. The tasty and affordable food variety also helps to make everyone to love China. Okay I know, the western media will report just the opposite.
My sister in law teaches Chinese students in the U.K. and absolutely adores them. Hard working, polite and clever but best of all, great fun / funny as well.
@@rusty911s2 Even better, the high majority of the 1.4 billion Chinese people in China are as friendly and peaceful in mind as well. I know, the western media will say exactly the opposite.
Enough with these huge bulky SUVS, wheres all the hatchbacks that people need? I hate this trend of everyone just making huge cars when most of the time, theres only one person in the vehicle
They got a name change when they started being sold outside China... I think the Seagull became the Dolphin, and the the next size up became the Atto3 (that FC have covered a couple of times, I think)
He mentioned in the Podcast episode that Beijng is a smaller show with a more upscale market than Shanghai so all the automakers are showing fewer, but more expensive cars.
I'm in Australia and I Just Want a Baojun Cloud, not a beast of an EV, just a well designed, small non SUV with a large interior small outside and reasonable price.
In the US and Europe we mostly select cars on prestige. Cars are aspirational items here for most drivers. We want a brand that reflects that. It is not going to be Chinese. 😂 also they support Russia in European war in Ukraine, the money from car exports is not private money but gov money. By supporting Chinese exports you re putting bullets into Russian guns.
Great coverage Elliott 👏, we are seeing a HUGE shift in global markets , we will see in the next 5 years or so a number of lazy legacy manufacturers going to the ( Chinese) wall 😂
BYD's Ocean looks absolutely lit. Can't wait to see it.
The Zeekr Mix is one of the most interesting cars to come out of the exhibition as well as the Jac e30x. One of the main things I see missed is the advancements CATL continues to make. A condensed battery of 500wh/kg should be the highlight of the video.
Yup. The semi solid state battery
Disagree, that battery isn't relevant until it's powering a car people can buy - Fully Charged have covered plenty of new tech that has never happened it's better they focus on the present/near-future
@@nomoreheroes93 huh? The IM6 and Nios will have it
The Chinese auto industry, in particular the EV industry is just so far ahead of everyone else. Imagine living in a country where you can't buy any of these? USA cough cough.
The world's 1 and only ev sales leader is tesla, you know a U.S. based company! Built the first battery cell gigafactory opening in 2016 here!
Go live in China if you want those not cheap when compared to per capita income and cost of living unsafe little evs! We won't miss you.👍🏻
And China charges the EU and us as much or more in tariffs on our cars as we charge them for theirs. 😀
Yeah, they are far ahead in Intellectual Property Theft, Vehicle Fires, door jamming shut after a collision and Airbags not deploying
Or how about China. Friends that visited CN said their guide said they couldn't buy are car as not got a permit. Only select few get permits to buy.
@@4literv6 "unsafe little evs"... lol, the great america.
@@4literv6 Tesla No 1 lmao, Fanboi.
Thanks for the tour, Elliot. Must've been hard work, elbowing your way (politely, of course) through the crowds!
What a difference between legacy automakers and Chinese EV automotive industry, awesome video Elliot 😊❤
The whole situation with the Chinese EVs and stuff kind of annoys me. Not because China's supposed to be bad or anything like that. It's just that most of the rest of the world feels like it doesn't even want to catch up to the Chinese brands...
Some companies are working towards it, but so many are just so stubborn and stuck that they don't want to do anything to actually improve. They just keep forcing ICE vehicles and going back on EV plans...
I just find it annoying that most companies around the world aren't really willing to provide such cool cars. And after so much talk of becoming less dependent on China and whatnot, we're back to depending on them if we want an actually cool car that doesn't cost an arm, a leg and a brother or something...
Totally understandable and reasonable comment. What if I told you that the legacy automakers have all acknowledged that they CANNOT beat China in EVs and that they know it's too late. If you accept that as a fact, what should they do now? Does that better explain why they're doing what they're doing?
Some recent articles to consider, "Ford Chairman admits US can't compete with China on EVs", "China’s EV competition is so fierce that Volkswagen ‘cannot keep up’", "Elon Musk Warns That Chinese Automakers Will “Demolish” Western Rivals Unless Trade Barriers Are Established".
A Goldman Sachs analyst wrote recently (sorry can't find the article) that all legacy automaker CEOs have realised that they cannot compete with China.
The most obvious immediate solution is to put up barriers to entry in domestic markets as the USA has done and as the EU is contemplating. The other is to put out propaganda to confuse the consumer as the US and Japan are presently doing.
@@ericawong2135 do blather on about why China enforces as high or higher tariffs on EU and us cars, as the eu&U.S. charges on them! 👍🏻
You people never seem to want to talk about that simple FACT.
The guy running stellantis knows what's UP though. 15-40% Chinese import tariffs on ALL us&EU cars.
Vs 10% for Chinese car exports into the eu and 27% on all foreign cars here in america. 😀
@@4literv6 The high tariff on US vehicles was a direct consequence of Trump and his histrionics. Perhaps elect a competent leader next time?
@@ericawong2135 preach！
@@ericawong2135 that's an interesting view, but I believe the matter is quite more complicated than it appears. Legacy car makers are not exactly doing nothing. Many of them, having realized it's too late to catch up with China, are signing deals to cooperate with Chinese EV automakers. This will allow them to produce legacy brands cars based on Chinese EV platforms.
There is also another major thing to consider: EV charging infrastructure. This is a responsibility of Countries' governments. If a Country has an underdeveloped chargers' network, how can EVs be expected to sell well? Why should legacy carmakers invest their billions on EVs that they can't sell properly because the infrastructure is not there yet? In this regard China did a great job preparing a decent charging infrastructure, making it actually convenient for people to own an EV.
The problem with automakers is that they think the bigger the vehicle. The bigger the profit. People need affordable, practical city hatchbacks.
Marketing. Manufacturers convince people they need a bloated crossover so they can skid around dirt and gravel roads and intimidate other road users. They promote an awful dystopian fantasy instead of an appropriately-sized metal container that efficiently takes you to work and the shops.
Yes China has EV costs from $6,000; the latest BYD Seagull costs only $12,000, but your government have banned the imports of them in fear of destroying the legacy car manufacturers.
There are literally dozens of small EVs under 10k EUR in China. Some much much less... But most will not necessarily pass the stringent crash tests, although you can easily argue they are far safer than motorbikes or mopeds so great for the rest of the world.
Appreciate the show content 👍🏻
Please bring things to Africa too...evs are the future
No worries mate, we will be there with our EVs as soon as we possibly can.
@@mariusverwey2125 🫡🤣
We'll probably be pretty EV-efficient in the not too distant future, given our relationship with China. When it comes to ICE cars, we already have a lot of Chinese cars here in South Africa, and they're amazing.
The question is, does Africa have enough chargers for electric cars? ICE can drive anywhere, even rural and off-road, but EV needs to have charger at the location where drive to.
@@konstantinrebrov675 true but there's also home based charging which is an alternative for charging too, there's a virgin market for evs here ...we have a huge solar energy charging sector ...all home based..if overnight charging is possible ..solar is the best alternative especially for folks like me in rural off grid settings ....the huddle is getting evs at an affordable price and Chinese evs starting prices are manageable ...we can't afford eu it American brands
Majority were not crossover/suv clones! What a breath of fresh air!
Hi Elliot Thanks for being there with your look into the future. 👏👏
The Japanese took over the world's auto market in the 70s-90s because American brands didn't believe they could do it, and were too lazy to stay ahead.
This is China's 'Toyota' moment. Stinks to say because I would love for an American OEM lead the way along with Tesla.
i have to say...Xiaomi looks awesome!
Reminds me of something
I'm fed up of comments from people ridiculing EVs. They don't know what they're talking about. Personally, I drive two top of the range EVs, a Jaguar and a Porsche Their acceleration and handling is fantastic. They look brilliant and they're really cheap to run. They need hardly any maintenance and haven't depreciated since I bought them. Literally the only criticism I could make of them is sometimes, if I really push them into a corner, they can fly off the track and get stuck under the sofa...
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Fun thing is that whatever people are saying China will go on like this. They need their cities to get cleaner. They also need to get rid of their stock of US Dollars. They are buying a lot of rare earth minerals instead of holding paper.
Just had a lovely conversations on Threads with a guy who bragged how oil can be recycled. He claimed that his 20 year old VW is more efficient than modern EV cars which batteries die just after few years and then 1 EV in production cycle create MORE pollution than 20 ICE cars. I think i'll go and get some really really strong cup of coffee or maybe two because bloody hell !!
@@blackfoxstudioXyou can’t win a discussion with stupid people, google Bill Murray’s quote
🚗💨 Exciting glimpse into the future of automotive innovation! Can't wait to see these sleek EVs hitting the roads in the UK, Australia, and beyond!
Great job Elliot 👍
Not sure this video showed a fight back of any legacy brand. Rather it highlighted, on a minute scale, how far ahead the Chinese EV industry is ahead of the rest of the world. Living in China I've seen a transformation in those 5 years that took Hyundai 25 years. And today I see the same scale of transformation happening again. I think the legacy manufacturers didn't take China seriously. Their loss is now leading to tariffs to protect themselves. Too little, too late methinks.
"Their loss is now leading to tariffs to protect themselves. Too little, too late methinks."
No, tariffs are needed as the Chinese are flooding the market with cheap EVs, something which is enabled by heavy state subsidisation. And that's not a level playing field.
Mini showing an Aceman that will probably have less than 160 miles range is not much "fighting back." The BMW Neu Klasse EVs might be great... for a price. I hope VW surprises us with a much-improved ID.3 and .4.
@@thomasday3256 true, but it's not dumping. Chinese EVs cost much more in Europe and South America than they do in China.
The last car Hongchi thing reminds me of cars from the final fantasy games.
Yeah, especially the rear, reminds me of the Regalia from FFXV. I like the Hongqi's design quite a lot but the front isn't 100% my cup of tea.
Thank you for that tour lad felt almost like I was there bravo
The pace of this vid shows the amount of stuff pouring out of China. Smashing it, great vid 👏
This guy presents very very well.
I rejected delivery of a Model 3 Highland due to lack of stalks and gear selector, was looking at Polestar 2, Mustang Mach e and Kia Ev6. Ended up getting a Kia EV6 GT Line S! Spec list, looks, efficiency and warranty was the main factor. Got a great deal on en ex demo!
Actually a niche for electric Utes in mining in Australia where they have to drive through miles of tunnels and they don't want any emissions.
yeah except they're already buying EV converted hilux and landcruiser... why the hell would they want something like the JAC?
@@john_barnett converted EVs are not nearly as good as ones built from the ground up to be EVs. Particularly the component placement is just wack.
@@jurchiks you're absolutely right, but there's something to be said for durability
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We don’t know durability of newer designs. Except the ‘cybertruck’, I guess.
@@boggisthecat mining cybertrucks would be pretty mad
Chinese EVs are so impressive. Their designs are so unique now and interesting to look at. Not like the boring legacy automakers like VW, MB and BMW.
Despite the noisy crowds aound him Elliot gives us an excellent review of the show.
When will you review Xiaomi SU 27? Can't wait!
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Su 27😂
su27 is flying in the sky in Russia
Stunning design on most of the vehicles. China just took over the electric car market
What market???
The ev market in Europe is small...and will remain small... no one is buying them except fleet buyers!!
They are in for a shock when they try and get rid of them in the used car market!!...ha ha ha!!
The Chinese automakers are clearly the innovators and not the followers and copyists that they were 20 years ago and are still perceived as in the west particularly the USA which appears to be asleep with regards to the massive paradigm shift about to occur over the next 5 years
5:00 the color is just amazing
daaaanggggg! Love the electric show, some cars i never even seen online and now...some of them, they already have them on the roads.
New competitors are always good for consumers even if you're not buying their products directly. You don't have to be a Chinese-brand enthusiast to enjoy the way those competitive Chinese OEMs pushing legacy OEMs very hard.
"Fight back of the legacy OEMs" Shows 1 car.
2 if you count smart.
@@vorlon81 3 if you count MG.
0 if you count country of build
MG is a legacy brand, not a legacy OEM... ditto Smart, these days.
As for the Mini -
@@SasquatchMelee Smart is 50% owned by the Chinese, and Geely provides all the important bits such as platform, drivetrain, and software. All Mercedes does is the styling. MG, on the other hand, is 100% owned by the Chinese.
Americans: I can understand wanting to bolster jobs and manufacturing at home, but the last I checked, the climate crisis does NOT stop at any country's borders. We need fewer tailpipes worldwide! Immediately! If we therefore have to grit out teeth, pinch our noses, and allow China to import their EVs here… so be it. They're truly compelling vehicles!
you forgot the secret american ingredient - racism
Yes, and no... currently world-wide production isn't enough to meet demand (which is why world-wide EV sales are continuing to grow healthily). Thus, if Chinese EVs aren't sold in the US, they'll be sold in other countries - and offset the same number of vehicles (and given the low average milage of 'merkins, probably offset more emissions)...
Thus in terms of impact on emissions in the short term, it's pretty minimal. However, if EV production doesn't take off in the US in the next 3-4 years then it will start to become an issue - and fast.
There isn’t a climate crisis, that’s just bad science which has been massively overhyped for money. And I’d there was, and if tiny amounts of CO2 made any difference, EVs wouldn’t be a solution.
Their only purpose is making well-heeled Westerners feel better about themselves, while increasing unethical mining labour practices and environmental contamination on a massive scale.
You are not American. Americans do not want Chinese EVs... its that simple? No one wants to pay 30k for a car for it to break down after 39km.
@@must205 There are many Tesla, VW, Nissan, etc. made in China sold everywhere. Are you living under a rock?
Oh yes, that Hongqi Red Flag Is Soooo Robert. Definitely the flagship car for Fully Charged and Everything Electric.
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Xiaomi aber, ist der Hammer !! 👌
I was hoping you'd tell us a bit about the blue Xpeng you show at 0:02
Some people can't accept the fast pace of electrification in automobile which is seen in this comment box 😂, accept it guys it's the future
also for the sake of addressing climate change.
They said that about betamax
The innovative designs and technology make me feel like a kid in a candy store.
Wow Eliott, I saw your podcast with Bobby before this video came out and now understand about the people. This was press day as well, seems nuts maybe they need to limit youtubers who only have 50 subs have a requirement and proof of subscribers(although sure there will be cheats as usually). Thank you Elliot for taking us here virtually, feel for you having to put up with all the press although really 'press' is very questionable at times.
I heard the Chinese automakers have been hiring European designers lately and it really shows, these are some absolutely gorgeous vehicles. Which begs the question... if the Chinese marques were able to find these designers and bring them to China to reinvent their brands... why couldn't the European and American automakers find these people? Especially the German marques... I don't understand what they are doing at all. Its like they all peaked in the early 2000s and then all simultaneously got amnesia and forgot what they were doing.
Huh? Most German brands so well rn.
@@MaticTheProto Audi has spent a decade making Ford Taurus clones. VW is making bland lumps, although they are a slight improvment over the previous iteration of bland. Mercedes made some nice looking concepts that for some reason did not translate into the metal well at all. And the interiors are the cringiest, tackiest interiors in the industry right now. And BMW has been an absolute horror show of clashing design motifs and hideous grills and tacky interiors for way too long. They have some nice looking new concepts, we will see how those translate to real cars. Every single one of them had dramatically better looking cars 15 to 20 years ago, it's not even close.
@@patreekotime4578 I never even heard of the ford taurus.
VW made designs that sold.
Mercedes… okay yeah admittedly they do botch their production cars compared to their prototypes. But they seem to be turning things around rn. I like the interiors, they are nice to be in for the most part (aside from the hard plastic in the doors).
BMW is trying to do better with the neue Klasse, but we have to see if the production cars actually are near identical to the prototypes
@@patreekotime4578 15-20 years ago many of them had some super ugly cars. Rose tinted glasses…
@@MaticTheProto Audi could have gone in the direction of the TT. Instead they went in the direction of American economy sedan.
Likewise, BMW was really looking up when they introduced the Z4. Their EVs should look more like that than whatever the heck space beaver they decided on.
Very good job . Unbelievable but there coming.
9:44 Cruela Devil got me 😂😂
No snowdrifts in Scandinavia in the next five months.
seasin 18 ep 2 top gear from 12 years ago... how far they've come
The (admittedly) crappy cars featured in that segment: BYD, JAC (who makes the cars for NIO), GAC Trumpchi, and SAIC Roewe. Fast forward a dozen years, BYD has literally turned into the 900 lb gorilla of the EV world, and GAC Aion and SAIC-MG are now huge hitters in the EV market. Even JAC is doing okay, if not as good as the other 3. That JAC T9 Hunter certainly looks pretty nice.
Legacy Auto is an embarrassment. If they don't step their game up, they'll fade away like stagecoaches.
My friend, two points why Chinese EVs are not going to win:
1- Test of time. Do not forget that Chinese EV boom is very recent... we are yet to get to know the large scale number of problems of owning one (Su7 lasting only 39km is not helping).
2- Slavery in Cobalt chinese owned mines in Africa. No western market will allow chinese cars if slavery is somewhere in the chain.
@@must205they do in all other bateries :) why not in cars too ?:)
@@mihaicostel5883 in fact they do NOT in every other battery powered products... thank you for helping my point.
@@must205 there is no cobalt in LiFePo batteries. Many Western car companies have pledged to use only responsibly-mined materials including BMW and Tesla, but there is no government legislation requiring that
Thanks
A big battery makes many things possible, creature comforts that can never be realised on an ICE car.
There is no doubt China is miles ahead of USA/Europe why. Because they have full control of labor, supply lines, logistics and ownership. High productivity and no unions.
And no unions and lower wages longer working hours , no leftie should ever buy Chinese cars
As a father with children, I wish we could get that zeekr minivan here.
I would love to see even half of those cars in 'Murrica... but... first you have to get past the paranoia in the US government.
I'm very cool on concept cars because so few of them turn into anything and if they are rolled out it's often with only the barest resemblance to the original idea. A notable exception is the Honda E which was very close to the concept and (for me) one of the most interesting EVs brought to market. Similar can be said of the Aptera and the Lightyear.
Lightyear is bankrupt and Aptera doesn't have the money to begin volume production. The BMW i8 was an impressive realization of the fantastic EfficientDynamics Vision concept, and no matter how much you hate the look it is incredible that Cybertruck is on the road.
@@skierpage Lightyear have 200 cars going into production and Aptera have new sponsors.
@@trevorberridge6079 nope, in January 2023 Lightyear halted production of the 0 model, abandoned solar cars, and "pivoted from manufacturing complete cars to supplying solar panels and other components to car manufacturers."
I don't know what you mean by "sponsors". February 2024 Aptera announced "Aptera Secures $33 Million through Community-Led Program to Fund Initial Phases of Solar EV Production" Nice, but that _isn't enough_ to make 2,000 vehicles, let alone 47,000 reservations. April 2024 'Aptera is looking to begin regular production of its vehicles early next year, and perhaps “deliver a couple vehicles this year for symbolic reasons,” Anthony said.'
"I want to believe" does not produce the $100M a quarter a company needs to build large numbers of cars.
Love Elliot 🥰
My God, access to those cars was ruthless… no respect whatsoever for Elliot trying to work 😅
How is that "disrespect"? bcos Elliot is a Western guy and should have priority access? Update your calendar.. it is 2024, not 1974...
@@hclau218 if someone is trying to film or take a picture, unintentionally or in this case intentionally walking past the camera is generally considered as rude, world-wide.
@@Nikoo033 Everyone is trying to snap pictures with their handphone. Maybe Elliot should step aside to let them snap? You should listen to yourself and the words you use. Words matter. BTW, Elliot and team are not the "official documentor", so do not have special rights, unless you again want to claim "Western entitlement".. We are really sick of your "entitlement" nonsense. 1984 - "some people are more equal than others" That line does not apply in 2024.
Oh a small work truck. How innovative !! Who would have thought of building one of those. Anyone with ant sense I would have thought.
Yellen : China is Over-capacity ! How dare are you doing so much better than us !
Cheers mate
Rob's Roast (video by AIM) has some interesting comments about FCS blocking, and more.
I am owning a BYD Dolphin. I hope that BYD will brig also «civilised» version of the Ocean-M; a hatchback of the size of the BYD Atto 3 but not as a SUV.
😱so many EV models 👍
EV is not perfect.
But you can't deny that the advantages of EV are outstanding in some usage situations.
The Smart #5 looks amazing as an off roader, although it seems the production model got stripped off all off-road features. Such a shame. I would have purchased one. Now I will wait for the Rivian R2 instead.
Take the hummer h3
@@Unloaded74needs to be tiny for European roads 🙄
@@Travellereleven off-roader no go road usually? And even if they did the fact that it's a hummer doesn't mean it's 40ft long and 8 feet tall
Hongqi is mind blowing style wise
Nice video, but the Zeekr X is NOT a station wagon. It's an MPV in every sense of the way
really like the SMART SUV, thats looked cool, just hope it has the range required for long trips into the wilderness
Where's all the small cars, apart from the mini everything else is huge.
They didn't show any. There's a ton of course. Many didn't bother with the show as they did not have brand new models.
He said in the podcast episode that this is a smaller show than the Shanghai show last year, so all the brands were more focused on their bigger, higher profit vehicles. Apparently Beijing is also just a higher end market.
And that Mini is the biggest Mini! 😅
Early Ev makers are one generation (7 years) ahead. VW is making a hatchback, Hyundai is making a hot-hatch. And it looks like Chinees are just fresh, they started with a blanke sheet so they don't have to go down every dead-end in develping a next-gen car.
I will be going to Everything Electric North at the Yorkshire Event Centre on Friday 24th May 😊
harrogate？
That Mix is and RV from helll 🤣🤣
MG is saved😮
More electric MPV's please! A small MPV is ideal in my mind can be small and lightweight enough and totally make use of a skateboard platform, sliding doors etc
Why would they use the Smart brand for a big SUV? The brand is known for small cars. Are they even going to do a 2-seater?
Is the Smart #5 going to be the modern Ponda, that thing looks serious..
I wish that the Mini had a bigger battery. Surely there must be room inside it for at least another 10 kWh? After all, it's roughly twice the volume of a proper Mini.
Thanks for the work.
I really like a lot of these Chinese EV's. That Smart, or several small 2--door fun or cabrio EV's.
For those huge 7 seat behemoth EV's, I see little use. Specially for over 60% of the world population. . . . the 1 or 2 person households.
When you have 4 kids, a dog and a canary, yes. For the masses, no.
And, as cheap as they are in China, the prices are often more than double when they sell them in the EU. Around €30.000 and up, is the standard.
All these promises for affordable Chinese EV's with at least a decent 300km range, for the masses are still fake stories.
Except for the EU build Citroën ëC3 EV. That indeed starts below €25.000. We bought one this week.
So China . . . . and Tesla . . . .you are all to late with your bla bla about a €25k affordable EV.
Denza is Mercedes designed and BYD built
Has any given thought as to who is going to repair the EV's and exactly where these techs can be found. And, the prices will be outrageous.
The people who change oil, fix emission systems, and replace spark plugs could learn new skills. An EV has far less required maintenance then a gasser.
No mention of safety of the car, safety features are very important when buying a car.
How many 300KW chargers in Wales?
Very interesting EV's this year it seems like the deigners are starting to understand what the cars are a lot more.
The rumor I heard is that Chinese marques have hired a bunch of European designers. It really shows!
Although all these major achievements are great (amazingly fast and effective constructions of infrastructures, high-speed rail, airports, space station, Chang'e lunar explorations, EVs, battery technology, AI leadership, aircraft carriers, shipbuilding, money-less payment systems, excellent treatments on the people in Xinjiang/Tibet, etc., etc.), however the most important aspect and characteristics of China is its peaceful nature in its global policies. The friendliness of its population toward visiting guests is another beauty of China. The tasty and affordable food variety also helps to make everyone to love China.
Okay I know, the western media will report just the opposite.
My sister in law teaches Chinese students in the U.K. and absolutely adores them. Hard working, polite and clever but best of all, great fun / funny as well.
@@rusty911s2 Even better, the high majority of the 1.4 billion Chinese people in China are as friendly and peaceful in mind as well.
I know, the western media will say exactly the opposite.
Have you ever done business with China?!
@@Phildouf Everyone in this world have done business with China, either directly or indirectly.
The only thing British about Mini is the name!
How about an MG ...
@@baercontact Same issue, there isn't a big brand British car manufacturer anymore, the only British ones are kit car manufacturers.
@@shortbuslife3440 sorry was trying to be sarcastic, yep nowt left over.
zeeker looks like ID Buzz clone. SU7 looks like a Taycan.
Legacy car makers are toast
0:58 "More utilitarian"? How is that more utilitarian?
Hand waving B.S. !
Enough with these huge bulky SUVS, wheres all the hatchbacks that people need? I hate this trend of everyone just making huge cars when most of the time, theres only one person in the vehicle
When are the tiny cheap electric cars coming to the UK?
There's one here already, the VW e-up (also badged as the Seat Mii). You can find a 3-year-old one for 10k.
Within a decade we will all be driving Chinese cars.
hongqi is sick!
It's already a government officials car. President Xi recently to France, Serbia and coming Hungary also riding hongqi cars. Just awesome.🇨🇳👍
Last year at this show you showed us some cheap cars from BYD, what happened to them?
They got a name change when they started being sold outside China... I think the Seagull became the Dolphin, and the the next size up became the Atto3 (that FC have covered a couple of times, I think)
He mentioned in the Podcast episode that Beijng is a smaller show with a more upscale market than Shanghai so all the automakers are showing fewer, but more expensive cars.
@@logicalChimp Seagull is called Dolphin Mini in Brazil (or maybe all Latin America), but there is no name change in other regions so far.
Elliot suits a beard
5m long! We need to ban these selfish-ahole mobiles from our cities pronto.
that Ocean-M looks sexy af.
Legacy brands are being leapfrogged by chinese ingenuity
I'm in Australia and I Just Want a Baojun Cloud, not a beast of an EV, just a well designed, small non SUV with a large interior small outside and reasonable price.
In the US and Europe we mostly select cars on prestige. Cars are aspirational items here for most drivers. We want a brand that reflects that. It is not going to be Chinese. 😂 also they support Russia in European war in Ukraine, the money from car exports is not private money but gov money. By supporting Chinese exports you re putting bullets into Russian guns.
These massive and massively powerful things are not going to save the planet are they, quite the opposite.
Imagine BYD making a racing team and joining F1
That Smart looks awesome, don't care for any of the others.
Great coverage Elliott 👏, we are seeing a HUGE shift in global markets , we will see in the next 5 years or so a number of lazy legacy manufacturers going to the ( Chinese) wall 😂