I just LOVED how incredibly proud and excited and so very happy to see her son. Now that's a mother's pride and joy right there. That was lovely to see!
Confession time, I never thought Eva Marie Saint was not that attractive. Confession time. I was way wrong. She has a very subtle extremely gorgeous look to her. Talented is a given. Thanks for the video.
I hope she's feeling and doing well. Few people deserve both longevity and ongoing good health as much as Eva Marie Saint. God, she was both great and beautiful in "North by Northwest."
Lily Bean arlene’s son Peter was on at least 3 times on WML and she didn’t guess him on any of the shows! (One of thosewas the new syndicated version).
@@rapunzelz5520 Yes, I think I remembered one. Didn't Peter Gabel appear also with Bennett's son? They were from Harvard, right? Working on a magazine and such? They struck me as typical college hippies, such a contrast to the elegance of Arlene especially.
How cool that Suzy's son was a member of the Annapolis class of 1963. One of his classmates is a friend of mine. He too was in nuclear subs; his next-to-last tour was as commander of the ballistic missile sub USS Stonewall Jackson. Must ask Jim if he knows about this episode.
I GROW UP IN THE UK AND AS A TEEN I LOVED KILTS AND STILL HAVE ALL MY KILTS TILL THIS DAY , ONE OF THEM I HAND MADE MYSELF THAT WAS 60 YEARS AGO AND THEY STILL LOOK LIKE NEW,
Suzy's son went on to be an Assistant Secretary of the Navy, receiving a unanimous vote in the Senate for confirmation. His father was a highly Decorated Navy Ace in WW2, and became a Rear Admiral.
97 now, as of 11/4/21. When thinking of Eva, I cannot help but recall her kiss with Cary Grant on the train in, "North By Northwest". I consider it the most passionate kiss in cinematic history.
Nan, I'm glad that I am not the only one noticing Dorothy's absence - every November and December. I know that she made a lot of "enemies" with her column. But I'm also dismayed by the careless, unprofessional investigations surrounding details of her death. I seem to have a sense of "connection" to the person she was... also the Irish heritage and the fact that her mother's given name, Mary Ahern, is exactly the same as mine. And not so common a name...apparently Dorothy's mother and sister both lived into their 90's. Dorothy never got that chance.
I thought that Mrs. Knickerbocker was going to run over to give her son a hug and kiss. She shed a few happy tears looks like. I'm surprised she didn't recognize his voice.
How incredible this show bring so many happyness and love in the air that even today I can feel it and all I can emagin how happy she would be at that moment. Everyone so nice and loving which nothing today even close to this show.
Not often that a great film beauty seems even more attractive, if that's possible, on the small screen. But indeed Ms. Saint does radiate love,lyness unequalled here.
you got that right!... but there was also a "normal" quality about her, i.e., she looks like someone that you would see in the grocery store. outside of hollywood, you would never guess that she was that famous.
@@packrcch Have a story: When I moved down to L.A. years ago, as a classic movie buff one of the first big events I went to was a showing of "North By Northwest" with Ms. Saint in attendance. I couldn't believe I was seeing this classic with one of "Hitchcock's Blondes," but during her wonderful interview (which I videoed- it's here at ua-cam.com/video/cTiRnYC4RXE/v-deo.html) she came across, as you mention, as such a down-to-earth, well-grounded lady I re-thought how I view stars, as they are just people, abet with incredible careers. I've seen her at interviews a few times since, and received very nice responses the two times I sent her mail (once for a request to autograph two stills, and another time after a showing of 1956's "That Certain Feeling"). She is pure class, and a great role model for others to follow.
I was delighted to see Suzy's reaction to her son's reveal as the first challenger. I'm as big a sucker for a heart tug story as the next person, maybe bigger than most. But one thing puzzles me. When I heard Roger start to talk, it didn't sound like his voice was disguised that much. I was eagerly anticipating the masks coming off to hear his natural voice. It didn't sound all that different. I've seen blindfolded panelists pick up on the slightest nuance from the disguised voice of a Mystery Guest and correctly guess the identity. I was sure that as a mother, she would hear her son's voice somewhere in the disguise. But she didn't.
Probably the best of all the children of panelist as contestant segments IMO just because of Suzy's emotional reaction, not to mention how she looks much too young to have a son that old!
Eva Marie Saint will be 91 this July 4, and is still very much active, and still very much beautiful. Recently, she was in the film "Winter's Tale" in 2014.
Although it's not entirely clear, Eve Marie Saint starred in the motion picture "Grand Prix," released on December 21, 1966, just a few days before this WML show aired. So, given those circumstances, it was easy for Suzy to identify Eve as the mystery guest. Eve Marie Saint, incidentally, as of this writing, is age 96. And she's still beautiful.
Eva Marie Saint, and Françoise Hardy (French Actress and Singer) were the two most beautiful girls in the film "Grand Prix" (1966). Thumbs up if you agree with me.
Hardly miss Hardy! She was quite regular and plain-looking compared to Jessica Walter! Besides....there's only 4 actresses to choose from, really. The fourth, of course, being Genevieve Page.
@@TheCometHunter Are you kidding? Françoise Hardy in her youth was the most beautiful girl I've ever seen--either in the media, or in person. And on top of that, she was, as is, a great singer!
Eva Marie Saint has been married to TV director Jeffrey Hayden for 65 years. There is a fascinating 2 1/2 hour interview with Mr. Hayden at the Emmy Legends website.
Eva Marie Saint. 8 years have passed since the last time she was a Mystery Guest. The last time she was a Mystery Guest, she was there to announce that she would start filming Alfred Hitchcock's "North by Northwest" with Cary Grant.
That was my first Hitchcock film. In the scene that takes place in the cafeteria at the base of Mt. Rushmore, I love how a quite visible little boy flinches BEFORE Ms. Saint "shoots" Cary Grant.
@@TheCometHunter I have seen interviews with Ms. Saint about that. Hitchcock felt that of all the takes made, that one was the best, although it was obviously not the first and the boy knew what was coming. 1959 theater audiences were very unlikely to notice that but with video and replay and such today, it is easily observed.
The boy actually plugs his ears as he was turned around slightly and was observing when the gunshot was coming. I’ve always noticed him and delight in finding such things in movies...bloopers and continuity type things.
Men often wore light blue shirts during the days of black and white television. This helped to minimize the flare caused by the bright lights and the image orthicon camera pick up tubes. This episode was broadcast in color so white shirts were worn. The new Plumbicon camera pick up tubes also required less light and didn't cause as much flaring.
Factoid (from Wikipedia) - the Bevin Brothers Company (last guest) is still in business (2019) and manufactured the cowbell used in the SNL skit "we need more cowbell", among many other notable bells. Rather interesting, actually.
Just like local beers were disappearing from the NYC scene starting around this time, so were newspapers. For years, Dorothy Kilgallen was referred to as a columnist for the New York Journal-American newspaper. So was Suzy Knickerbocker. But not on this episode. Suzy is introduced as a columnist for the ill-fated World Journal Tribune. Hurt by the competitive NYC newspaper market and a series of strikes, the WJT was a result of a merger of three newspapers that themselves had been formed by earlier mergers. Seven newspapers had now become one. The Journal-American was the result of a merger of two Hearst newspapers. The New York American had originally been named The New York Journal. It was a morning newspaper. Then Hearst came out with The New York Evening Journal. The two merged in 1937 in broadsheet format and had several afternoon and evening additions. In general it aimed for the blue collar market and lost out to the tabloid New York Daily News. "World" in the title of the new newspaper came from the New York World-Telegram & Sun. the result of the merger of three separate newspapers over the years, although one was a spin off of another paper that eventually became part of the World Journal Telegram. The New York Evening Telegram started out in 1867 as the evening edition companion to the New York Herald. It was sold to the Scripps Howard newspaper syndicate in 1927. Four years later, Scripps Howard bought the New York World from the heirs of Joseph Pulitzer and merged the two papers although it was mostly the New York Telegram writers who retained their jobs. (2000 employees of the World lost there's.) As a result it trended to the right over the years although the Telegram prior to the sale to Scripps Howard and the World under Pulitzer tended to be liberal leaning. For years The World was a national mouthpiece for the Democratic Party and a pioneer practitioner of yellow journalism (fake news is not new), often competing with The Journal American for which paper could be most yellow (coming from opposite sides of the political spectrum). Interesting that the prizes for quality writing and journalism are named for Pulitzer. The World-Telegram was a broadsheet paper that acquired the tabloid New York Sun in 1950. It was also a conservative leaning paper aimed at the masses. It was one of the first newspapers to make a profit. Previously most newspapers lost money and considered their journalistic work a public service. They sustained themselves doing printing work for private customers in the days long before plain paper copiers and printers. But by 1950, the paper was on its last legs. It is probably best known for answering a question by a young reader named Virginia as to whether there is a Santa Claus (a fitting mention on a 12/25/66 episode). The resulting paper retained the broadsheet format. The third paper in the mix was probably the most prestigious and continued to print an international edition long after the merger of the New York newspapers. The New York Herald Tribune was printed in broadsheet format and was the primary competitor to the New York Times. It was generally moderate, identified with the liberal/eastern wing of the Republican Party, Protestantism, big business and internationalism. The Tribune (founded by Horace Greeley) acquired The Herald in 1924 and by World War II was challenging the New York Times in prestige and profit. But despite a highly regarded staff of writers, the paper faltered and a major strike crippled it. The original plan was for the staff of the former Herald Tribune to publish the morning edition of the new World Journal Tribune with the remnants of the staffs of the other two papers to produce the evening edition. But the attempted merger in April 1966 led to another major strike of 140 days as the unions wouldn't agree to the concessions that management felt were needed to make the new newspaper work. The Herald Tribune closed its doors for good in August so the resulting paper that finally started in September only boasted an evening edition. The project lost momentum with the strike. Instead of gaining the readers of the previous three papers, they generally found new sources for their news by September. The new newspaper was gone before the last episode of WML. Its final edition was in May 1967. Instead of a portion of employees being laid off, all the union workers lost their jobs. Instead of some losses, the owners of the new newspaper had a near total lost, although they had some assets to sell. As a result, the New York City media market that had 15 newspapers in 1900 was left with three major daily papers in 1967 (although with the population flight to the suburbs, Newsday on Long Island, the Newark Star-Ledger and The Record in New Jersey and the Gannett papers in Rockland-Westchester were growing in importance). The Daily News received most of the features from the failed newspapers (comic strips and columnists). Suzy's column moved to that paper until the Daily News and the New York Post pretty much flipped the script as far as their writing staffs and features were concerned after Rupert Murdoch bought the Post in 1976.
Wow, that was an impressive wealth of information. I was aware of some of it, but I do not approach the largess, that is your historical knowledge. I enjoyed reading this.
@@loissimmons6558 If you say so. I'm a pretty decent typist myself but don't have the time or inclination to do the research necessary to comment at (great) length on 50 year old quiz show trivia. My time is far more valuable. I'm not being critical here, I just have a different perspective on the matter. Carry on.
As to kilts, I remember being in the men's department many years ago at Nordstrom in Palo Alto. They had an entire formal dress outfit in the Scottish style with a kilt, knee-length hose, special shoes, a formal dress coat, a dress shirt and tie, and accouterments such as a sporran, which you could have custom made in the tartan of your choice for $1,500. One of those formal outfits with a kilt can be properly worn to any function requiring black or white tie. I don't know where he rented them, but a son of friends of mine got married wearing one of those formal outfits with a kilt and all the groomsmen wore kilts as well, due to the Scottish ancestry of the groom. In fact, there are organizations in this country that have an Irish or Scottish flair that march in parades wearing uniforms that have kilts, and even organizations featuring bagpipers that wear them in the U.S. So a kiltmaker in Canada or the U.S. doesn't surprise me -- somebody has to make all those kilts.
At 8:40 John said he had a son in the Navy at a base and I have played it back a few times and I cannot understand the name of the base. He said his son was a lawyer It sounded like he said "Jakuska." Anyone know what base he was referring to?
Suzy must have gotten started early. She looked fairly young to have a 20+ year old son in the service. If he graduated from USNA in '63, in late 65 he would have been around 24.
When Bennett asked the kilt maker if there was anything dangerous about the product, it made me say to myself what Bennett might have said "Well, you could get kilt!"
Suzy (Aileen Mehle) sure does not look like she's 48 years old in this show! She looks great! One of the best "Welcome Home" videos that are common place (and fantastic) today of service members surprising family members.
The last WML Christmas episode goes out with a bang. Over the years the staff came up with some memorable Christmas episodes from Santa Claus as a mystery guest to a Salvation Army Band performing to the spouses showing up as mystery guests. You would not suppose that a parasite would be funny, but mistletoe got a lot of yocks over the years.
Loved her in "On the Waterfront" 1954. Just maybe her best role and she won an Academy Award. Loved her stunning natural beauty in that film. Good film.
She'd have done better with a French or British accent, which given her immense talent, I'm sure she could do, easily. But, yes, that sexy voice is a dead give away. 😍
RE: Roger Mehle. The second-to-last WML contestants involving panelists's children. The production staff did this gimmick before in 1954 with Dorothy's two oldest children and in 1964 with Peter Gabel. Mahle's father became an admiral.
After a letter to Bennett from a viewer, John shows that he's wearing cuffs. I am sure that the men wore short-sleeved shirts sometimes owing to the heat in the studio... 2:50
As stated by yours truly, Eva Marie Saint is left-handed, though the way she signed in looked a bit less unusual than Joey Heatherton a year ago. Peter Fonda, when he was MG in June, also signed in more normally.
I cannot figure out why -- since the entrance had two portals -- why the director did not routinely ask contestants if they were left or right and have the leftists uh leftys come out left to sign. I would think it would be easier for them to do. Maybe it had something to do with the camera placement. . . . .
"The Russians are Coming The Russians are Coming" did get nominated for the best film Oscar, but it got buried in a year with a lot of notable foreign entries. Carl Reiner and Alan Arkin as I recall were involved with Ms. Saint in a comedy about a Russian sub that grounded off the coast of Maine. Its director, Norman Jewison, did direct the film that won best film of 1967 and the film that should have won best film of 1971.
"The Russians are Coming The Russians are Coming" is one of my favorite comedies, largely because it was adapted from a novel by Nathaniel Benchley, son of the great humorist Robert Benchley and father to Peter Benchley, author of the book "Jaws". When I'm stuck in traffic, I often shout out a line from the movie: (in bad Russian-accented English) "Emergency! Everybody to get from street!" It never does any good but it makes me feel better.
At 8:38 (or so) John Daly mentions his son as a US Navy officer and that he is a base officer. John names the base but I am unable to understand which base. He said that he has a "Number Two Son" out at "..." and the closed captioning spelled it Cuzco. A Google search came up with some articles about Guantanamo Bay.
Of all the dirty rotten tricks to pull on a panelist, that had to be the best! Suzy didn't even know his head was above water, and there he was, having to answer questions about not being a Marine. Brought tears to my eyes.
I googled Suzy's son, and he passed away on Oct 10, 2024 with his longtime wife at his side. After his military service, he was successful in business and went into government as an assistant Treasury Secretary in the Reagan Administration, and was the Founding Chairman of the Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board.
They have the camera focused on Suzy, just like with Arlene, when Peter Gabel was on. What a great first segment that was! And get a load of that new camera angle, too, when Roger hugs his Mother! Suzy's son was born 21 days after the Pearl Harbor bombings, and is currently 73.
Watching this episode has improved my opinion of "Suzy Knickerbocker"/Aileen Mehle about a hundredfold! She always seemed rather affected and "put on" to me, but after she recognizes her son in this episode, she is clearly filled with genuine emotion and not afraid to show it. I think the "real" Aileen Mehle shines through and continues to be the person sitting on the panel for the rest of the episode, and I like Aileen a lot better than "Suzy."
+SaveThe TPC Bingo! You've expressed it very well indeed. As I noted in a follow-up to my catty comments about Suzy on her mystery guest appearance in October, if she *can* be this personable and genuine, why would she ever suppress that warmth in her other times on the show? I don't know if she was trying to be competitive and businesslike in a bid to occupy the "Dorothy" seat on the panel permanently, but it's one possibility. Anyway, this one episode is the only time I've been able to enjoy watching her.
Neil Midkiff Thank you for the compliment. :) I think she probably affected a particular public persona deliberately -- likely in other public appearances besides WML, so I doubt that it had anything specifically to do with vying for "Dorothy's seat." In this case, she was caught with her guard down, and the public persona was forgotten. I'm glad we have this recorded example of her true self. :)
Too bad the bell seller didn't get more time. One night in 1963 when Arlene was not quite herself, she did one of her funniest performances with her questioning of an English bell maker that involved her making the sounds of various musical instruments.
Both Suzy and Arlene would have looked great in full kilts. Years before a kilt manufacturer appeared on the program waring kilts. I can't quite remember if that proved to be a clue to the panel.
The USS Lewis and Clark was commissioned in 1964 so was Lt (jg) Mehle a "Plank-Owner" of the L&C? His mom looked fairly young in this video so she must have been a child-bride!
At one time, New York City was the home of a number of local beers: Rheingold, Schaefer, Ballantine, Piels, and Trommer's among the best known. Another well-known beer was Knickerbocker. A product of the Ruppert Brewery (Jacob Ruppert being the owner of the Yankees when they became a successful franchise in the 1920's and 30's) they were the sponsor of the Yankees for some time. But after Jacob Ruppert died and the estate sold the team, Knickerbocker was associated only with the Giants. Although my family was sold out for the Dodgers, occasionally when the Dodgers weren't playing, we would watch of listen to a Giants game and hear the refrain "Knock, knock for Knickerbocker, New York's famous beer." Knickerbocker beer had started to fail by 1966, but the slogan was still around, no doubt. I can't help but wonder if that slogan contributed to John Daly's brain fart as he tried to rush and get in a quick final round. Knickerbocker beer has an indirect connection to WML. In the early 1950's, it was the sponsor of a nightly show on weekdays called "The Knickerbocker Beer Show" on NBC's local NYC station. On September 27, 1954, that show was cut back to 15 minutes and the rest of the show under a different name switched over to the NBC network. When the show switched to the network, it became known as "The Steve Allen Show". Since Knickerbocker wasn't a national brand, it wasn't viable as a sponsor on the network portion. The national portion of that show on 9/27/54 is generally considered to be the first "Tonight Show". But here is the local portion of that night's broadcast. It contains times when Steve is taking a sip of beer direct from the glass after pouring from a bottle of beer. With him on the show are Steve Lawrence, Eydie Gorme, Skitch Henderson and Bill Kenney of the Ink Spots. (Bill Kenny was the singer that Redd Foxx as Fred Sanford would imitate on "Sanford and Son", singing "If I Didn't Care".) ua-cam.com/video/AeIBJst6evA/v-deo.html And an advertisement showing the knock for Knickerbocker jingle. It was probably found on the wall or in the window of a local tavern. www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vintage-knickerbocker-beer-wall-sign-1899768929 Of course there is a vulgar meaning of the word "knocker" that dates back to 1941. No doubt a lot of minds went in that direction when John Daly misspoke.
Bennett cliched, tedious question! Would you describe yourself a pin up girl? He asked this question in various forms over the time he appeared on the panel.
I thought for sure Suzy would pick up on her sons voice! Also the questions were leading to the guest being in the Navy. However watching her expressions she shows no sign that she even had a clue!
Or, Hitchcock's classic North by Northwest. Hitchcock told her before filming that he had a different vision of how she would look, beyond her dowdy appearance in a "kitchen sink drama", and took her shopping to Bergdorf Goodmans for glamorous outfits to be worn in his new potential classic film in technicolor. Of course, she's always gorgeous, even in an unglamorous role in a black and white drama.
They continued recording the sound after the show went off air. I was able to get hold of a tape: "So Mr West makes bells as big as 8 and 12 inches? I'll take the 12, John." "Arlene, I don't think you COULD take the 12." "I've had a child, John, I assure you I could." "You mean, of course, that young Peter has moved out and you now have the room for such a thing, a shiny bell." "Precisely, John. I have more than enough room to accommodate Mr West's product." "Well now, that's enough of that." "Oh, I'm not sure I could ever get enough of THAT, John." "Arlene... you're terrible."
Back in 1963 on a night when Arlene was . . . well -- sort of flushed, she had one of her funniest performances questioning an English bell manufacturer. As a part of it, she made the sounds of various musical instruments.
Kilts! I'd say that the buckle is a moving part because you can't fasten or unfasten it without moving the spindle which goes through a hole in the leather. There was a laugh over that question because a true Scot is not meant to wear underpants beneath the kilt, so the moving parts swing freely! Bennet Cerf is rather naive to ask why a kilt-maker works in Canada - many Scots emigrated and became more Scottish than the Scottish in order to preserve their culture. The only Canadian I knew in the past was called MacGregor.
I just LOVED how incredibly proud and excited and so very happy to see her son. Now that's a mother's pride and joy right there. That was lovely to see!
I enjoyed it, too. She was proud in a very sympathetic way. Without hysteria, without being boastful. Just very happy and natural.
Ms. Saint's voice is INSTANTLY recognizable. Goosebumps. One of the smartest and sultriest ever.
I don't know about "smartest", she wasn't fooling anybody by not disguising her voice. But sultry?? Oh hell yeah.
The segment with Suzy's son Roger is one of my favorites on WML. The sheer joy on Suzy's face and in her eyes was just priceless.
couldn't agree more ! eyes burned instantly
Confession time, I never thought Eva Marie Saint was not that attractive. Confession time. I was way wrong. She has a very subtle extremely gorgeous look to her. Talented is a given. Thanks for the video.
You wouldn't say that if you've seen North by Northwest
"Oh, my son! Oh, my son!" 6:43 and 8:56 One of the most emotional moments of WML.
Susie your son isn't a Peter Gabel
Google Peter Gabel today...LOL
I thought she said "Oh my God" not "Oh My Son". Regardless though a very emotional segment
@@galileocanIt sounded like Oh my son to me. I think that was right.
Just saw Eva Marie Saint in the 91th Academy Award's ceremony, she said she's older than the Oscar. But she still looks stunning as in here.
Eva Marie Saint just turned 100 years old on Thursday. Wow!
I hope she's feeling and doing well. Few people deserve both longevity and ongoing good health as much as Eva Marie Saint.
God, she was both great and beautiful in "North by Northwest."
Suzy must have been so proud of her son in the Navy... brought a little tear to my eye.
I love, love, love how proud and happy Suzy is, how excited to recognize her son's appearance. What a loving Mum. That was adorable!
Lily Bean arlene’s son Peter was on at least 3 times on WML and she didn’t guess him on any of the shows! (One of thosewas the new syndicated version).
@@rapunzelz5520 Yes, I think I remembered one. Didn't Peter Gabel appear also with Bennett's son? They were from Harvard, right? Working on a magazine and such? They struck me as typical college hippies, such a contrast to the elegance of Arlene especially.
How cool that Suzy's son was a member of the Annapolis class of 1963. One of his classmates is a friend of mine. He too was in nuclear subs; his next-to-last tour was as commander of the ballistic missile sub USS Stonewall Jackson. Must ask Jim if he knows about this episode.
Let us know
I loved how excited she was when she realized it was her son! I would have been the same way, a great Christmas Present!!! 🎄🎁☃️
I GROW UP IN THE UK AND AS A TEEN I LOVED KILTS AND STILL HAVE ALL
MY KILTS TILL THIS DAY , ONE OF THEM I HAND MADE MYSELF THAT
WAS 60 YEARS AGO AND THEY STILL LOOK LIKE NEW,
Suzy's son went on to be an Assistant Secretary of the Navy, receiving a unanimous vote in the Senate for confirmation.
His father was a highly Decorated Navy Ace in WW2, and became a Rear Admiral.
Wow! I'm sure she was proud of them. She had quite a fantastic career herself as a very very popular columnist.
Unfortunately, it was in the Reagan administration. (The guy who ruined our country)
Happily, Ms. Saint is still with us at 95.
Still with us on 10/28/2020 at the age of 96!
97 now, as of 11/4/21. When thinking of Eva, I cannot help but recall her kiss with Cary Grant on the train in, "North By Northwest". I consider it the most passionate kiss in cinematic history.
Now a remarkable 99 yo.
On July 4, 2024 Eva Marie Saint will be 100 yrs old.
She's 100 until July 4, 2025.
Sadly for John Daly and the entire What's My Line panel, this was their second Christmas without Dorothy Kilgallen. May she rest in peace. Amen.
Nan, I'm glad that I am not the only one noticing Dorothy's absence - every November and December. I know that she made a lot of "enemies" with her column. But I'm also dismayed by the careless, unprofessional investigations surrounding details of her death. I seem to have a sense of "connection" to the person she was... also the Irish heritage and the fact that her mother's given name, Mary Ahern, is
exactly the same as mine. And not so common a name...apparently Dorothy's mother and sister both lived into their 90's. Dorothy never got that chance.
@@aileen694 Show was never the same without her.
@@brookehanley3659 I agree
Well they're all gone now..... But John seemed especially sad ever since for the rest of the shows
I thought that Mrs. Knickerbocker was going to run over to give her son a hug and kiss. She shed a few happy tears looks like. I'm surprised she didn't recognize his voice.
Eva Marie Saint...a very beautiful woman indeed!
Gorgeous revisit North by Northwest.
@@michaelgasiciel9317 I know that I do. Often.
I sooo miss the elegant tasteful styles of the 50s and 60s
Tell me about it. You get anybody to look that elegant these days.
How incredible this show bring so many happyness and love in the air that even today I can feel it and all I can emagin how happy she would be at that moment. Everyone so nice and loving which nothing today even close to this show.
Not often that a great film beauty seems even more attractive, if that's possible, on the small screen. But indeed Ms. Saint does radiate love,lyness unequalled here.
north by nothwest..she is amazing
One of my favourite episodes, thank you for posting.
Eva Marie Saint is gorgeous!
+Dana Hess Not to mention a fabulous actress!
+Dana Hess agreed!
you got that right!... but there was also a "normal" quality about her, i.e., she looks like someone that you would see in the grocery store. outside of hollywood, you would never guess that she was that famous.
@@packrcch Have a story: When I moved down to L.A. years ago, as a classic movie buff one of the first big events I went to was a showing of "North By Northwest" with Ms. Saint in attendance. I couldn't believe I was seeing this classic with one of "Hitchcock's Blondes," but during her wonderful interview (which I videoed- it's here at ua-cam.com/video/cTiRnYC4RXE/v-deo.html) she came across, as you mention, as such a down-to-earth, well-grounded lady I re-thought how I view stars, as they are just people, abet with incredible careers. I've seen her at interviews a few times since, and received very nice responses the two times I sent her mail (once for a request to autograph two stills, and another time after a showing of 1956's "That Certain Feeling"). She is pure class, and a great role model for others to follow.
And she's 42 here. Timeless class and inner beauty.
This show is from half centuries ago and yet still so entertaining up this day. Wish a remake of the show is produced.
Sad to say, there are so many reasons that a remake would fall far short of the original.
The segment, with Suzy's son, is one of my new favourites.
I was delighted to see Suzy's reaction to her son's reveal as the first challenger. I'm as big a sucker for a heart tug story as the next person, maybe bigger than most.
But one thing puzzles me. When I heard Roger start to talk, it didn't sound like his voice was disguised that much. I was eagerly anticipating the masks coming off to hear his natural voice. It didn't sound all that different. I've seen blindfolded panelists pick up on the slightest nuance from the disguised voice of a Mystery Guest and correctly guess the identity. I was sure that as a mother, she would hear her son's voice somewhere in the disguise. But she didn't.
That's exactly what I was wondering. But her reaction certainly seemed to prove she was duped.
I think she was a pain
If your not expecting to hear it then you don't always get it if you disguise your voice a bit arlene never guessed her son.
Hard to believe Eva Marie Saint is almost 97 years old.
Probably the best of all the children of panelist as contestant segments IMO just because of Suzy's emotional reaction, not to mention how she looks much too young to have a son that old!
Eva Marie Saint will be 91 this July 4, and is still very much active, and still very much beautiful. Recently, she was in the film "Winter's Tale" in 2014.
98 as of Easter 2023.
@@hopelewis565099 as of Sept 2023
the last Christmas show of what's my line
As beautiful as Eva Marie Saint is - her voice is stunning
I.ve seen her in movies but never realized how stunning she was until this episode!
@@robertfiller8634 Then you've never seen her in, "North By Northwest".
@@Cosmo-Kramer agree she was femme fatale for real… the flirting scene on the train is out of this world
Although it's not entirely clear, Eve Marie Saint starred in the motion picture "Grand Prix," released on December 21, 1966, just a few days before this WML show aired. So, given those circumstances, it was easy for Suzy to identify Eve as the mystery guest. Eve Marie Saint, incidentally, as of this writing, is age 96. And she's still beautiful.
It's a lovely thing that Ms. Knickerbocker was able to see her son on Christmas. Particularly since he was serving his country while in the Navy.
Eva Marie Saint, and Françoise Hardy (French Actress and Singer) were the two most beautiful girls in the film "Grand Prix" (1966).
Thumbs up if you agree with me.
Sorry, but my vote is for Jessica Walter when it comes to that film. :)
Hardly miss Hardy! She was quite regular and plain-looking compared to Jessica Walter! Besides....there's only 4 actresses to choose from, really. The fourth, of course, being Genevieve Page.
@@TheCometHunter Are you kidding? Françoise Hardy in her youth was the most beautiful girl I've ever seen--either in the media, or in person. And on top of that, she was, as is, a great singer!
Eva Marie Saint has been married to TV director Jeffrey Hayden for 65 years. There is a fascinating 2 1/2 hour interview with Mr. Hayden at the Emmy Legends website.
November 1, 2021, Eva Marie Saint is still with us at 97 years of age!
And on December 13 2022, she’s still with us at 98.
@@mhk3360 And as of May 18, 2024, still with us at 99.
Eva Marie Saint. 8 years have passed since the last time she was a Mystery Guest.
The last time she was a Mystery Guest, she was there to announce that she would start filming Alfred Hitchcock's "North by Northwest" with Cary Grant.
That was my first Hitchcock film. In the scene that takes place in the cafeteria at the base of Mt. Rushmore, I love how a quite visible little boy flinches BEFORE Ms. Saint "shoots" Cary Grant.
@@TheCometHunter I have seen interviews with Ms. Saint about that. Hitchcock felt that of all the takes made, that one was the best, although it was obviously not the first and the boy knew what was coming. 1959 theater audiences were very unlikely to notice that but with video and replay and such today, it is easily observed.
The boy actually plugs his ears as he was turned around slightly and was observing when the gunshot was coming. I’ve always noticed him and delight in finding such things in movies...bloopers and continuity type things.
So crazy of John to think that movies would be one day on TV!
Men often wore light blue shirts during the days of black and white television. This helped to minimize the flare caused by the bright lights and the image orthicon camera pick up tubes. This episode was broadcast in color so white shirts were worn. The new Plumbicon camera pick up tubes also required less light and didn't cause as much flaring.
I was about to point out that the new cameras were Norelco PC60s, but then I saw your username and figured you were already way ahead of me!
Factoid (from Wikipedia) - the Bevin Brothers Company (last guest) is still in business (2019) and manufactured the cowbell used in the SNL skit "we need more cowbell", among many other notable bells. Rather interesting, actually.
Wow! Christmas day 1966. I was 18 at the time
Happy 100th Ms. Saint. May God grant you many more
Just like local beers were disappearing from the NYC scene starting around this time, so were newspapers. For years, Dorothy Kilgallen was referred to as a columnist for the New York Journal-American newspaper. So was Suzy Knickerbocker.
But not on this episode. Suzy is introduced as a columnist for the ill-fated World Journal Tribune. Hurt by the competitive NYC newspaper market and a series of strikes, the WJT was a result of a merger of three newspapers that themselves had been formed by earlier mergers. Seven newspapers had now become one.
The Journal-American was the result of a merger of two Hearst newspapers. The New York American had originally been named The New York Journal. It was a morning newspaper. Then Hearst came out with The New York Evening Journal. The two merged in 1937 in broadsheet format and had several afternoon and evening additions. In general it aimed for the blue collar market and lost out to the tabloid New York Daily News.
"World" in the title of the new newspaper came from the New York World-Telegram & Sun. the result of the merger of three separate newspapers over the years, although one was a spin off of another paper that eventually became part of the World Journal Telegram. The New York Evening Telegram started out in 1867 as the evening edition companion to the New York Herald. It was sold to the Scripps Howard newspaper syndicate in 1927. Four years later, Scripps Howard bought the New York World from the heirs of Joseph Pulitzer and merged the two papers although it was mostly the New York Telegram writers who retained their jobs. (2000 employees of the World lost there's.) As a result it trended to the right over the years although the Telegram prior to the sale to Scripps Howard and the World under Pulitzer tended to be liberal leaning. For years The World was a national mouthpiece for the Democratic Party and a pioneer practitioner of yellow journalism (fake news is not new), often competing with The Journal American for which paper could be most yellow (coming from opposite sides of the political spectrum). Interesting that the prizes for quality writing and journalism are named for Pulitzer.
The World-Telegram was a broadsheet paper that acquired the tabloid New York Sun in 1950. It was also a conservative leaning paper aimed at the masses. It was one of the first newspapers to make a profit. Previously most newspapers lost money and considered their journalistic work a public service. They sustained themselves doing printing work for private customers in the days long before plain paper copiers and printers. But by 1950, the paper was on its last legs. It is probably best known for answering a question by a young reader named Virginia as to whether there is a Santa Claus (a fitting mention on a 12/25/66 episode). The resulting paper retained the broadsheet format.
The third paper in the mix was probably the most prestigious and continued to print an international edition long after the merger of the New York newspapers. The New York Herald Tribune was printed in broadsheet format and was the primary competitor to the New York Times. It was generally moderate, identified with the liberal/eastern wing of the Republican Party, Protestantism, big business and internationalism. The Tribune (founded by Horace Greeley) acquired The Herald in 1924 and by World War II was challenging the New York Times in prestige and profit. But despite a highly regarded staff of writers, the paper faltered and a major strike crippled it.
The original plan was for the staff of the former Herald Tribune to publish the morning edition of the new World Journal Tribune with the remnants of the staffs of the other two papers to produce the evening edition. But the attempted merger in April 1966 led to another major strike of 140 days as the unions wouldn't agree to the concessions that management felt were needed to make the new newspaper work. The Herald Tribune closed its doors for good in August so the resulting paper that finally started in September only boasted an evening edition.
The project lost momentum with the strike. Instead of gaining the readers of the previous three papers, they generally found new sources for their news by September. The new newspaper was gone before the last episode of WML. Its final edition was in May 1967. Instead of a portion of employees being laid off, all the union workers lost their jobs. Instead of some losses, the owners of the new newspaper had a near total lost, although they had some assets to sell.
As a result, the New York City media market that had 15 newspapers in 1900 was left with three major daily papers in 1967 (although with the population flight to the suburbs, Newsday on Long Island, the Newark Star-Ledger and The Record in New Jersey and the Gannett papers in Rockland-Westchester were growing in importance).
The Daily News received most of the features from the failed newspapers (comic strips and columnists). Suzy's column moved to that paper until the Daily News and the New York Post pretty much flipped the script as far as their writing staffs and features were concerned after Rupert Murdoch bought the Post in 1976.
Wow, that was an impressive wealth of information. I was aware of some of it, but I do not approach the largess, that is your historical knowledge. I enjoyed reading this.
Somebody's been on wikipedia again. Gosh I wish I had that much time on my hands.
@@Walterwhiterocks It doesn't take that long when a lot of it is from memory or contemporary knowledge. It also helps if one is adept at keyboarding.
@@loissimmons6558 If you say so. I'm a pretty decent typist myself but don't have the time or inclination to do the research necessary to comment at (great) length on 50 year old quiz show trivia. My time is far more valuable. I'm not being critical here, I just have a different perspective on the matter. Carry on.
@@Walterwhiterocks If my posts are too long for you, I promise I will never put a gun to your head and force you to read them.
As to kilts, I remember being in the men's department many years ago at Nordstrom in Palo Alto. They had an entire formal dress outfit in the Scottish style with a kilt, knee-length hose, special shoes, a formal dress coat, a dress shirt and tie, and accouterments such as a sporran, which you could have custom made in the tartan of your choice for $1,500. One of those formal outfits with a kilt can be properly worn to any function requiring black or white tie. I don't know where he rented them, but a son of friends of mine got married wearing one of those formal outfits with a kilt and all the groomsmen wore kilts as well, due to the Scottish ancestry of the groom. In fact, there are organizations in this country that have an Irish or Scottish flair that march in parades wearing uniforms that have kilts, and even organizations featuring bagpipers that wear them in the U.S. So a kiltmaker in Canada or the U.S. doesn't surprise me -- somebody has to make all those kilts.
"Suzy Knickerbocker" lived to be 98, Eva Marie Saint is 98 today
Roger's dad was Navy. Suzy must have been very young when she had Roger Jr! She looks so young in this episode.
Suzy was 23 years old when Roger was born and 48 years old when this episode was pre-recorded.
There was a better-known Sam Sniderman in Toronto who owned Canada's biggest record store. What were the odds that there were two of them up there?
Schneiderman, the kilt maker, is one of the few I've ever heard of, who really lived up to his name. "Schneider" means "Taylor".
Tailor
Arlene looks so beautiful here as always. Love Eva Marie Saint.
At 8:40 John said he had a son in the Navy at a base and I have played it back a few times and I cannot understand the name of the base. He said his son was a lawyer It sounded like he said "Jakuska." Anyone know what base he was referring to?
Probably Yokosuka in Japan - only one that seems to come close
Yes, Yokuska, Japan.
@@jeffrandall4046 Yokosuka.
Suzy must have gotten started early. She looked fairly young to have a 20+ year old son in the service. If he graduated from USNA in '63, in late 65 he would have been around 24.
6:05 -- Arlene got her money's worth with that mask she wore to Capote's Black and White Ball.
When Bennett asked the kilt maker if there was anything dangerous about the product, it made me say to myself what Bennett might have said "Well, you could get kilt!"
Just did some googling, and found that sadly Roger just passed on October 10th, 2024 at age 82
Since the episode of WML aired on 12/25/66, Rodger was 24 then.
As of Oct 7th Eva Marie Saint is 99 yrs old. I too was in the US Navy from 1966 to 1969 but not on a ship.
Suzy (Aileen Mehle) sure does not look like she's 48 years old in this show! She looks great! One of the best "Welcome Home" videos that are common place (and fantastic) today of service members surprising family members.
It that it matters, I agree Suzy looks fine, but I’d have guessed her age as being in the low 50s.
Does it have any moving parts in it? -- yes!
Very good!
They may have asked whether there's any wood in it.
Taped on December 18, 1966.
The last WML Christmas episode goes out with a bang. Over the years the staff came up with some memorable Christmas episodes from Santa Claus as a mystery guest to a Salvation Army Band performing to the spouses showing up as mystery guests. You would not suppose that a parasite would be funny, but mistletoe got a lot of yocks over the years.
+soulierinvestments
It may be a parasite, but the proper and customary use of mistletoe is outta sight!
Maybe they new the end was near and just weren't in the mood.
Loved her in "On the Waterfront" 1954. Just maybe her best role and she won an Academy Award. Loved her stunning natural beauty in that film. Good film.
I thought she also should have won or her role in North by Northwest.
I wonder if Bennett being on the cover of "Time" will go the Fluffy distance?
John, I just live that Suzy Nuckerbocker
And Eva looks dynamite too. Her voice is easily recognizable. In 1958 she really disguised her voice well. No hint of the EVA voice.
I agree, her voice here is distinctive and recognizable
She'd have done better with a French or British accent, which given her immense talent, I'm sure she could do, easily. But, yes, that sexy voice is a dead give away. 😍
Can I appreciate John Daly asking the question do you really think they’ll be a time when they put those movies on TV? Uh yeah.
RE: Roger Mehle. The second-to-last WML contestants involving panelists's children. The production staff did this gimmick before in 1954 with Dorothy's two oldest children and in 1964 with Peter Gabel. Mahle's father became an admiral.
Ms. Saint is even lovelier out of character than in, if that"s possible
Im not really fond of Suzy but that was a lovely segment with her son.
Arlene had her sandwich board. Suzy had "the Marines." I suspect that the make up artist had to adjust Suzy's makeup during the commercial break.
After a letter to Bennett from a viewer, John shows that he's wearing cuffs. I am sure that the men wore short-sleeved shirts sometimes owing to the heat in the studio... 2:50
Happy 100th Birthday Wishes and Greetings Madam. 🧸🫶🎭🫶🧸
Martin Gabel looks a lot thinner than he does in older episodes.
As stated by yours truly, Eva Marie Saint is left-handed, though the way she signed in looked a bit less unusual than Joey Heatherton a year ago.
Peter Fonda, when he was MG in June, also signed in more normally.
I cannot figure out why -- since the entrance had two portals -- why the director did not routinely ask contestants if they were left or right and have the leftists uh leftys come out left to sign. I would think it would be easier for them to do. Maybe it had something to do with the camera placement. . . . .
"The Russians are Coming The Russians are Coming" did get nominated for the best film Oscar, but it got buried in a year with a lot of notable foreign entries. Carl Reiner and Alan Arkin as I recall were involved with Ms. Saint in a comedy about a Russian sub that grounded off the coast of Maine. Its director, Norman Jewison, did direct the film that won best film of 1967 and the film that should have won best film of 1971.
"The Russians are Coming The Russians are Coming" is one of my favorite comedies, largely because it was adapted from a novel by Nathaniel Benchley, son of the great humorist Robert Benchley and father to Peter Benchley, author of the book "Jaws". When I'm stuck in traffic, I often shout out a line from the movie: (in bad Russian-accented English) "Emergency! Everybody to get from street!" It never does any good but it makes me feel better.
I like that movie too.
Egermancy?
It is not just her son...it was her son she hardly ever got to see...
I can't recall where exactly this came from, but I heard that one thing Eva Marie Saint would love to do on her bucket list, is work with Woody Allen.
At 8:38 (or so) John Daly mentions his son as a US Navy officer and that he is a base officer. John names the base but I am unable to understand which base. He said that he has a "Number Two Son" out at "..." and the closed captioning spelled it Cuzco. A Google search came up with some articles about Guantanamo Bay.
Yokosuka Japan.
@@dougwickstrom9870 Thank you Sir.
Interesting no mention of Christmas.
Eva Marie Saint. Still living 97. Beautiful woman
Merry Christmas was mentioned in the last minute.
Back when people in the entertainment industry had family members in the armed services.
Of all the dirty rotten tricks to pull on a panelist, that had to be the best! Suzy didn't even know his head was above water, and there he was, having to answer questions about not being a Marine. Brought tears to my eyes.
I googled Suzy's son, and he passed away on Oct 10, 2024 with his longtime wife at his side. After his military service, he was successful in business and went into government as an assistant Treasury Secretary in the Reagan Administration, and was the Founding Chairman of the Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board.
They have the camera focused on Suzy, just like with Arlene, when Peter Gabel was on. What a great first segment that was! And get a load of that new camera angle, too, when Roger hugs his Mother!
Suzy's son was born 21 days after the Pearl Harbor bombings, and is currently 73.
Watching this episode has improved my opinion of "Suzy Knickerbocker"/Aileen Mehle about a hundredfold! She always seemed rather affected and "put on" to me, but after she recognizes her son in this episode, she is clearly filled with genuine emotion and not afraid to show it. I think the "real" Aileen Mehle shines through and continues to be the person sitting on the panel for the rest of the episode, and I like Aileen a lot better than "Suzy."
SaveThe TPC Couldn't agree with you more!
And even better, Suzy/Aileen is still with us at age 95!
+SaveThe TPC Bingo! You've expressed it very well indeed. As I noted in a follow-up to my catty comments about Suzy on her mystery guest appearance in October, if she *can* be this personable and genuine, why would she ever suppress that warmth in her other times on the show? I don't know if she was trying to be competitive and businesslike in a bid to occupy the "Dorothy" seat on the panel permanently, but it's one possibility. Anyway, this one episode is the only time I've been able to enjoy watching her.
Neil Midkiff Thank you for the compliment. :) I think she probably affected a particular public persona deliberately -- likely in other public appearances besides WML, so I doubt that it had anything specifically to do with vying for "Dorothy's seat." In this case, she was caught with her guard down, and the public persona was forgotten. I'm glad we have this recorded example of her true self. :)
18:10 Eva Marie Saint. She's 42 in the video. Beautiful and beautiful again.
She's 100 years old.
Too bad the bell seller didn't get more time. One night in 1963 when Arlene was not quite herself, she did one of her funniest performances with her questioning of an English bell maker that involved her making the sounds of various musical instruments.
As of 2022 Eva Marie Saint is 97 years old.
Both Suzy and Arlene would have looked great in full kilts.
Years before a kilt manufacturer appeared on the program waring kilts. I can't quite remember if that proved to be a clue to the panel.
More beautiful the older she got--dazzling!
The USS Lewis and Clark was commissioned in 1964 so was Lt (jg) Mehle a "Plank-Owner" of the L&C? His mom looked fairly young in this video so she must have been a child-bride!
John: Three down and seven to go, Suzy Knockerbocker (!). :) 23:33
"Knuckerbocker?"
At one time, New York City was the home of a number of local beers: Rheingold, Schaefer, Ballantine, Piels, and Trommer's among the best known. Another well-known beer was Knickerbocker. A product of the Ruppert Brewery (Jacob Ruppert being the owner of the Yankees when they became a successful franchise in the 1920's and 30's) they were the sponsor of the Yankees for some time. But after Jacob Ruppert died and the estate sold the team, Knickerbocker was associated only with the Giants. Although my family was sold out for the Dodgers, occasionally when the Dodgers weren't playing, we would watch of listen to a Giants game and hear the refrain "Knock, knock for Knickerbocker, New York's famous beer." Knickerbocker beer had started to fail by 1966, but the slogan was still around, no doubt. I can't help but wonder if that slogan contributed to John Daly's brain fart as he tried to rush and get in a quick final round.
Knickerbocker beer has an indirect connection to WML. In the early 1950's, it was the sponsor of a nightly show on weekdays called "The Knickerbocker Beer Show" on NBC's local NYC station. On September 27, 1954, that show was cut back to 15 minutes and the rest of the show under a different name switched over to the NBC network. When the show switched to the network, it became known as "The Steve Allen Show". Since Knickerbocker wasn't a national brand, it wasn't viable as a sponsor on the network portion.
The national portion of that show on 9/27/54 is generally considered to be the first "Tonight Show". But here is the local portion of that night's broadcast. It contains times when Steve is taking a sip of beer direct from the glass after pouring from a bottle of beer. With him on the show are Steve Lawrence, Eydie Gorme, Skitch Henderson and Bill Kenney of the Ink Spots. (Bill Kenny was the singer that Redd Foxx as Fred Sanford would imitate on "Sanford and Son", singing "If I Didn't Care".)
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And an advertisement showing the knock for Knickerbocker jingle. It was probably found on the wall or in the window of a local tavern.
www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vintage-knickerbocker-beer-wall-sign-1899768929
Of course there is a vulgar meaning of the word "knocker" that dates back to 1941. No doubt a lot of minds went in that direction when John Daly misspoke.
I wonder if Roger is still living. His mom lived to 98. Good genes.
Bennett cliched, tedious question! Would you describe yourself a pin up girl? He asked this question in various forms over the time he appeared on the panel.
she's a nice caring lady I know!
I thought for sure Suzy would pick up on her sons voice! Also the questions were leading to the guest being in the Navy. However watching her expressions she shows no sign that she even had a clue!
Is that a bird's nest on her head?
Wanna see a gorgeous Eva Marie Saint, watch ‘On the Waterfront’
Or, Hitchcock's classic North by Northwest. Hitchcock told her before filming that he had a different vision of how she would look, beyond her dowdy appearance in a "kitchen sink drama", and took her shopping to Bergdorf Goodmans for glamorous outfits to be worn in his new potential classic film in technicolor. Of course, she's always gorgeous, even in an unglamorous role in a black and white drama.
East Hampton, Connecticut is not on the sea. That is the one on Long Island.
The voice is from "North by Northwest""
She is still alive😊
They continued recording the sound after the show went off air. I was able to get hold of a tape:
"So Mr West makes bells as big as 8 and 12 inches? I'll take the 12, John."
"Arlene, I don't think you COULD take the 12."
"I've had a child, John, I assure you I could."
"You mean, of course, that young Peter has moved out and you now have the room for such a thing, a shiny bell."
"Precisely, John. I have more than enough room to accommodate Mr West's product."
"Well now, that's enough of that."
"Oh, I'm not sure I could ever get enough of THAT, John."
"Arlene... you're terrible."
Back in 1963 on a night when Arlene was . . . well -- sort of flushed, she had one of her funniest performances questioning an English bell manufacturer. As a part of it, she made the sounds of various musical instruments.
You jest
Those were the golden years
Kilts! I'd say that the buckle is a moving part because you can't fasten or unfasten it without moving the spindle which goes through a hole in the leather. There was a laugh over that question because a true Scot is not meant to wear underpants beneath the kilt, so the moving parts swing freely! Bennet Cerf is rather naive to ask why a kilt-maker works in Canada - many Scots emigrated and became more Scottish than the Scottish in order to preserve their culture. The only Canadian I knew in the past was called MacGregor.
Ach noo! When I wear me kilt, the lassies always ask if anything is worn underneath. Nay, I reply, it’s all in working order!