Wow haven't seen a protoss beat a zerg late game through starving them. I've seen terran do it that way but not a protoss. Trap and Stats the heroes of this season
The problem is always the wining players on the ladder about imbalance and shit. Instead of wining like a kid, they should try to figure out how to break a so called „imbalanced situation“. Instead of that, they keep wining and after a pro break some „imbalanced situation“ all stop wining but they can’t execute it like the pro gamer anyways. Stupid noobs.
@@hallwayraptor2036 with a little intelligence you should understand what is meant. English isnt my mother tongue. I speak 3 languages, I hope you speak my mother tongue fluently without any mistakes.
I feel like there's a missing piece in the Air protoss units. It doesn't feel right that Corruptor beat everything they can hit. They're such a uninteresting unit that way. They don't even have any kind of interesting micro potential. Just big stupid squids that kill air units.
@@thebasedtaka9418 Yeah but that's what I mean, they're so bland that way. They're useless as soon as there is nothing to hit for them, but they win against everything they can hit. That's such a boring design.
@@thebasedtaka9418 Yeah but corruptors can morph to BL, Dark totally threw that game by not building a greater spire 30 minutes in the game. Corruptor BL is impossible to kill as protoss.
It’s missing a splash attack or spell unit to punish a corrupter cloud. All other races have good ones: terran has raven, liberator, thor, zerg has viper, infestor and protoss only has storm which corruptors can just fly out of. Maybe if storm has a stun effect for flying units only
@Thomas Lam Do Archons count? But yeah, Protoss doesn’t really seem to have a dedicated air splash unit, and Void Rays don’t seem to be able to catch up long enough to do damage. Nothing really has the old Corsair’s role. Looking at the Mothership though, I guess one could try time warping then storming?
@Ron 3 man that was such a long time ago, at the end of wings of liberty it was broodlord infestor, hots was the reign of terrible swarmhosts games that made zerg a snorefest I like the current zerg, the games seem like a total flood of units with lurkers holding positions, its actually such a fun time of zerg. Maybe lurkers could be a little slower to unburrow or less health but its a fun style. Before the removal of infested terrans, infestor broodlord was a nightmare to see over and over. So I get why people are frustrated.
@Ron 3 legit two years ago protoss could hold a 200 200 army with just a warp prism and two immortals it was insane how dumb that was, all in's finished the games every time, then the nerf happened and protoss got deleted, it wasn't just serral lmao
@Nooctae Each spine that spikes out of the ground has an individual splash zone with a radius of 0.5. There are 10 spines in the attack that are each offset about 1 full cell from each other from the Lurker to the target unit. There is a 0.125 second delay between each protruding spine, resulting in a full 1.25 seconds to fire an entire line of spines. This makes it possible to dodge the outer spines with reactive micro.
I’m wondering, should lurkers and banelings do friendly fire? Disruptors and siege tanks and widow mines all do friendly fire, but the zerg units dont, this would prevent 30 banelings from being able to just roll forwards, and it would make it more viable to use them in small amounts, lurkers would still be amazing base defense but to use offensively it wouldn’t just be walk forwards and burrow with the armh
Friendly fire would make them terrible. What they should do for banes is remove the explosion on death, they should actually have to attack, which would make them trickier to try to move into the midst of the enemy army. If a bane dies, it should just be gone, no explosion. As for lurkers, get rid of the absurd range.
You don’t even know what you Talking about. The mechanics of mines, tanks and disruptors are way different to banelings. If you don’t know why that is, please stop talking about that.
@@hojinlee4977 obviously you don’t. If you compare those units I highly doubt, that you understand it. The mechanics are completely different. There are two cases, 1. you simply lying with your MMR (bdw. is 4K MMR, barely Masters 3 and thats the start to really understand the game mechanics, so nothing to proof your understanding) 2. you cheese all day long and you have no idea how the game actually works.
The protoss endgame air army is trash. Looks good on paper, but I've never seen it win. It either gets bum-rushed and disappears in seconds, or it gets taken out one by one by abduct. But man, what a throw by Dark in G1. After the main air battle, if he actually used his corruptors to camp the protoss main base and threaten buildings/snipe air units as they come out, instead of idling them in the middle of the map, I think the result would've been very different.
It’s always the same, the noobs always blaming the balance. It will never stop. Doesn’t matter what changes blizzard make. A Race is OP for noobs until they win 80% against the supposedly OP race.
@@st4ndby Well spoken! That's exactly it. So tired of noobs whining and whining. If those guys would spend their whining time to get better at this game instead, world of E-Sports would be a better one.
Everybody says Trap is the successors of Classic, but their style are totally different from each other. Classic was more like sOs or herO. He usually focused on early and mid-time games with his builds and micros. Of course he was also good at late game, but not as good as Rain or Stats. But Trap, on the other hand, he is more like Stats. He sometimes try early or midgame finisher with cool strats and micros, but he has less skills and senses than Parting or Classic. Trap usually like to go lategame and he is really good at it. Like Stats, he like to be a shield, not a spear. Classic was a spear. They are different.
Dat first game doh. I was rooting for Dark, acttually thought he'd win 2 - 0/1 .... by the end of the 3rd I felt myself rooting for Trap. Love his style.
@@kingstonwong9023 yeah they screwed up the original upload of that match, it sounded like they put the audio in from another video over that. so they reupload it yet screw it up again by spoiling whos in the match
@@aesen161 No, the title of the video was not a mistake. They changed the title to reveal the players name after a couple days. It happens to the other group as well. They still did mess up the sound from group C in the original uploaded matches
I think he moved away from the Mic to clear his throat. If you listen closely you can hear him coughing in the background a fair bit during his casts nowadays.
Gotta say first and foremost that I’m a cynical troll. That being said as the game developed to the later stages into what Im calling new starcraft 2 theory. Youre starting to see the game develop into the mass spiraling war of civilizations. Half the map owned by each side. Strategic outposts from bastion units. Darks ling run for ex by stopping the upgrade proved zerg still owned the map with his mobility advantage but he never did anything more with it. At 6k resources the players are newbs. Ive seen serral burn off his drones and force embarkment starve a protoss to death while dark and trap are still busy playing theory craft. lolol gsl? More like gwl? gettin fuckin wrekd leagueZ if only the europeans could get to this level the military of the game would be insane with tactics achieved in their community from clems constant pressure. Im optimistic for SC2z future. Wait until they figure out how to sacrifice things in response to map geography lol
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Wow haven't seen a protoss beat a zerg late game through starving them. I've seen terran do it that way but not a protoss. Trap and Stats the heroes of this season
Trap just got 3 games against Reynor in Bo7. He suddenly becomes so good recently.
Yu Chih Tzeng or maybe he’s just been steadily improving as seen with with never ending 2nd place results.
Thats because this zerg didnt used his vipers...
@@ShintoshiVT and he just doesn’t wine like the usual ladder toss about imbalanced lategame and tried to figure out to break the late game.
@@st4ndby why is that directed at me? I’m basically saying the same thing you are
Trap and stats are the successors to classic
History denier
Protoss fans, including me, have comlex feeling for Trap. We are happy seeing him winning, but ZvP late games look balanced because of him.
Yea, we know it's not in P's favor on the larger scale.
The problem is always the wining players on the ladder about imbalance and shit. Instead of wining like a kid, they should try to figure out how to break a so called „imbalanced situation“. Instead of that, they keep wining and after a pro break some „imbalanced situation“ all stop wining but they can’t execute it like the pro gamer anyways. Stupid noobs.
haha G K you name it.
@@st4ndby you need to figure out how to spell whining. I read your entire comment trying to figure out if you were trying to say winning or whining.
@@hallwayraptor2036
with a little intelligence you should understand what is meant.
English isnt my mother tongue. I speak 3 languages, I hope you speak my mother tongue fluently without any mistakes.
2:48 the intros keep getting better. I am blown away. You would think they would run out of ideas but there's more
Trap is my new fav protoss!!!
Such a tenacious playstyle.
That third game was just pure domination
In another life i swear Nick is the funniest comedian of all time
I feel like there's a missing piece in the Air protoss units. It doesn't feel right that Corruptor beat everything they can hit. They're such a uninteresting unit that way. They don't even have any kind of interesting micro potential. Just big stupid squids that kill air units.
that cant hit ground, dark ate his army and couldnt do anything at all
@@thebasedtaka9418 Yeah but that's what I mean, they're so bland that way. They're useless as soon as there is nothing to hit for them, but they win against everything they can hit. That's such a boring design.
@@thebasedtaka9418 Yeah but corruptors can morph to BL, Dark totally threw that game by not building a greater spire 30 minutes in the game. Corruptor BL is impossible to kill as protoss.
It’s missing a splash attack or spell unit to punish a corrupter cloud. All other races have good ones: terran has raven, liberator, thor, zerg has viper, infestor and protoss only has storm which corruptors can just fly out of. Maybe if storm has a stun effect for flying units only
@Thomas Lam
Do Archons count? But yeah, Protoss doesn’t really seem to have a dedicated air splash unit, and Void Rays don’t seem to be able to catch up long enough to do damage. Nothing really has the old Corsair’s role.
Looking at the Mothership though, I guess one could try time warping then storming?
The fact you need 3 Psystorm to kill a Lurker in SC2 really rubs me the wrong way.
Agreed, they got too much hp. Can pretty much also almost stutter-step by moving quickly, burrowing, and attacking. It's so strong...
@Ron 3 man that was such a long time ago, at the end of wings of liberty it was broodlord infestor, hots was the reign of terrible swarmhosts games that made zerg a snorefest
I like the current zerg, the games seem like a total flood of units with lurkers holding positions, its actually such a fun time of zerg. Maybe lurkers could be a little slower to unburrow or less health but its a fun style.
Before the removal of infested terrans, infestor broodlord was a nightmare to see over and over. So I get why people are frustrated.
@Ron 3 legit two years ago protoss could hold a 200 200 army with just a warp prism and two immortals it was insane how dumb that was, all in's finished the games every time, then the nerf happened and protoss got deleted, it wasn't just serral lmao
@Ron 3 don’t argue with noobs.
@Nooctae Each spine that spikes out of the ground has an individual splash zone with a radius of 0.5. There are 10 spines in the attack that are each offset about 1 full cell from each other from the Lurker to the target unit. There is a 0.125 second delay between each protruding spine, resulting in a full 1.25 seconds to fire an entire line of spines. This makes it possible to dodge the outer spines with reactive micro.
I’m wondering, should lurkers and banelings do friendly fire? Disruptors and siege tanks and widow mines all do friendly fire, but the zerg units dont, this would prevent 30 banelings from being able to just roll forwards, and it would make it more viable to use them in small amounts, lurkers would still be amazing base defense but to use offensively it wouldn’t just be walk forwards and burrow with the armh
Not just lurkers, even banelings. Zerg is just broken.
Friendly fire would make them terrible. What they should do for banes is remove the explosion on death, they should actually have to attack, which would make them trickier to try to move into the midst of the enemy army. If a bane dies, it should just be gone, no explosion.
As for lurkers, get rid of the absurd range.
You don’t even know what you Talking about. The mechanics of mines, tanks and disruptors are way different to banelings. If you don’t know why that is, please stop talking about that.
@@st4ndby I'm 4k mmr zerg you think I don't know how banelings work?
@@hojinlee4977 obviously you don’t. If you compare those units I highly doubt, that you understand it. The mechanics are completely different. There are two cases, 1. you simply lying with your MMR (bdw. is 4K MMR, barely Masters 3 and thats the start to really understand the game mechanics, so nothing to proof your understanding) 2. you cheese all day long and you have no idea how the game actually works.
Great entertaining games , late game is always a treat
Trap been top of his game for a good year plus now. Great match
The protoss endgame air army is trash. Looks good on paper, but I've never seen it win. It either gets bum-rushed and disappears in seconds, or it gets taken out one by one by abduct.
But man, what a throw by Dark in G1. After the main air battle, if he actually used his corruptors to camp the protoss main base and threaten buildings/snipe air units as they come out, instead of idling them in the middle of the map, I think the result would've been very different.
Really guys? Protoss win in such a great way here and so many of you still whining about Zerg being op? (Btw I play Protoss)
It’s always the same, the noobs always blaming the balance. It will never stop. Doesn’t matter what changes blizzard make. A Race is OP for noobs until they win 80% against the supposedly OP race.
@@st4ndby Well spoken! That's exactly it. So tired of noobs whining and whining. If those guys would spend their whining time to get better at this game instead, world of E-Sports would be a better one.
Trap played 2 amazing maps there
Dark threw G1.
What a series, amazing!
D組真的死亡之組
4個都tier 1等級的
lol at remaxing with 25 corruptors after the big fight
Everybody says Trap is the successors of Classic, but their style are totally different from each other.
Classic was more like sOs or herO. He usually focused on early and mid-time games with his builds and micros. Of course he was also good at late game, but not as good as Rain or Stats.
But Trap, on the other hand, he is more like Stats. He sometimes try early or midgame finisher with cool strats and micros, but he has less skills and senses than Parting or Classic. Trap usually like to go lategame and he is really good at it. Like Stats, he like to be a shield, not a spear. Classic was a spear.
They are different.
Why didnt Dark just build a few Nydus and attack all corners of the map? The big death ball from Protoss would not be able to keep up.
Zerg's end game army is so fucking op
Awesome games .
Dat first game doh. I was rooting for Dark, acttually thought he'd win 2 - 0/1 .... by the end of the 3rd I felt myself rooting for Trap. Love his style.
song pls at begining 0:23
Want to know too, let me know if you find anything please
@@LuminaryPhoenix ok
Awesome!
what a great match
I just realised this but a minor change is that they don't show in the thumbnail/title for game 3/4/5 who are in to prevent spoilers.
It has always been like this
Huh. But it says for me example.
Group C match 5 Maru vs Byun and etc? Uploaded today.
@@kingstonwong9023 yeah they screwed up the original upload of that match, it sounded like they put the audio in from another video over that. so they reupload it yet screw it up again by spoiling whos in the match
@@aesen161 No, the title of the video was not a mistake. They changed the title to reveal the players name after a couple days. It happens to the other group as well.
They still did mess up the sound from group C in the original uploaded matches
I miss the archon toilet
Nice protoss
trap stap lol
Trapstamp
Dark drag the game too long. Protoss almost had full upgrade for all unit. Game 1
Dark throws a lot...
That is called a late game, noob...
09:34
Tasteless farted.
I think he moved away from the Mic to clear his throat.
If you listen closely you can hear him coughing in the background a fair bit during his casts nowadays.
LOL
47:32 lmao
Winfestor nerf are now showing during lategame
41:00 trapstep
nerf corruptors
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Gotta say first and foremost that I’m a cynical troll. That being said as the game developed to the later stages into what Im calling new starcraft 2 theory. Youre starting to see the game develop into the mass spiraling war of civilizations. Half the map owned by each side. Strategic outposts from bastion units. Darks ling run for ex by stopping the upgrade proved zerg still owned the map with his mobility advantage but he never did anything more with it. At 6k resources the players are newbs. Ive seen serral burn off his drones and force embarkment starve a protoss to death while dark and trap are still busy playing theory craft. lolol gsl? More like gwl? gettin fuckin wrekd leagueZ if only the europeans could get to this level the military of the game would be insane with tactics achieved in their community from clems constant pressure. Im optimistic for SC2z future. Wait until they figure out how to sacrifice things in response to map geography lol
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