“RIG is a compact self-braking descender for rope access, designed for experienced users.” The first line on petzl site about the Rig. It’s not specifically designed for rescues and you keep mentioning inexperienced user operation. You’re evaluating outside it’s intended use. Great videos, thank you for taking the time to review these tools.
This is the video I've been waiting for, thanks gents..I definitley need to move from the I'D to the Rig for tactical use. Sometimes I need to get down fast and the ID doesn't let me do that efficiently all the time. I'm comfortable in knowing I won't panic by pulling more on the handle. All I need it to do is lock if I let go of the handle. If I did more rescue work, I would prefer the ID incase the person you're hauling panics and grabs your gear..Really appreciate this guys. Thanks for the video👍
6:30 if your patient/victim has a clear/useable safety line, its good habit to leave it in place unless your protocol is necessary SPEED; which I noticed you were using the rig; it's a reason I use one around less experienced buddies' in case I need to hit the dirt quicker. Lol, first time I locked up an ID though (rope backwards), that was a welcomed surprise; but then again that's why you always test load a system before using it.
I hope that a rescue team has EXPERIENCE enough not to go into panick mode, enough to be able to use a Rig. In a life / death situation getting someone down fast might be key - the ID fails here
the rig isnt built for rescue . it cannot take heavy loads and can only use smaller ropes . not good for rescue at all . good for tactical operations though
what if you have to descend quickly for life-threatening reasons (fire, wasps)? With an eight I didn't have all these protections either, and I descended several times with full equipment and K9 with only my brake hand to control the speed! with the ID this is not possible, it is blocked and has to go all the way back! With the Rig it does, and if you let go of the lever it will stop the fall too, I find good gloves and the correct position of your brake hand very important! I think good use at lower altitudes and knowing your material is important to me.
The 'PANIC!' feature is such a stupid design. On the Gri-Gri+, as I assume with the ID, it can be defeated by pulling harder. As soon as you mentioned it I tuned out to the information for the ID. I'd have a RIG or an ISC D4 for route setting or rescues.
on a pick off rescue, it's not advised, as it keeps your patient to low with their face usually in your crotch area. With the patient up a little higher you can monitor vitals and have better control of them should you need to negotiate obstacles. An added carabiner from the chest to the ID carabiner can aid in keeping their upper body in a more comfortable position. Any rescue should avoid the possibility of any type of dynamic loading. Hope that helps, and this is just my opinion, others may have a different outlook.
@@PEGASUSRESCUE sorry for my poor english I use to gear down people on their chest. Rig or Id on sternal With extra break for sure Like this my feets are on the wall and i arrive first on the ground Thanks a lot for your answer and your job that is exceptionnal I use it for my job
“RIG is a compact self-braking descender for rope access, designed for experienced users.” The first line on petzl site about the Rig. It’s not specifically designed for rescues and you keep mentioning inexperienced user operation. You’re evaluating outside it’s intended use. Great videos, thank you for taking the time to review these tools.
yep they also used it on big ropes when it is made for smaller ropes and then they say it is too tight (aka a tactical version of the i'd) .
Thank you for showing me, early on in the video, the two safety features that the RIG doesn't have the the ID does have. Great video.
This is the video I've been waiting for, thanks gents..I definitley need to move from the I'D to the Rig for tactical use. Sometimes I need to get down fast and the ID doesn't let me do that efficiently all the time. I'm comfortable in knowing I won't panic by pulling more on the handle. All I need it to do is lock if I let go of the handle. If I did more rescue work, I would prefer the ID incase the person you're hauling panics and grabs your gear..Really appreciate this guys. Thanks for the video👍
50 Stitches Steel thanks for the input, glad to hear you liked it 👍🏻
right ? the anti panic is just a gimmick to me . if you panic you just let go and it stops
Have you looked at the Sirius descender? it is rated at 540 lbs all steel construction, I finally have one now, and it's awesome. Jim
6:30 if your patient/victim has a clear/useable safety line, its good habit to leave it in place unless your protocol is necessary SPEED; which I noticed you were using the rig; it's a reason I use one around less experienced buddies' in case I need to hit the dirt quicker. Lol, first time I locked up an ID though (rope backwards), that was a welcomed surprise; but then again that's why you always test load a system before using it.
What kind of helmet are you using? I really like that type of helmet and a great video. Thank you
I hope that a rescue team has EXPERIENCE enough not to go into panick mode, enough to be able to use a Rig. In a life / death situation getting someone down fast might be key - the ID fails here
So true, the ID is great but doesn’t cut it for tactical applications.
the rig isnt built for rescue . it cannot take heavy loads and can only use smaller ropes . not good for rescue at all . good for tactical operations though
what if you have to descend quickly for life-threatening reasons (fire, wasps)?
With an eight I didn't have all these protections either, and I descended several times with full equipment and K9 with only my brake hand to control the speed!
with the ID this is not possible, it is blocked and has to go all the way back!
With the Rig it does, and if you let go of the lever it will stop the fall too, I find good gloves and the correct position of your brake hand very important!
I think good use at lower altitudes and knowing your material is important to me.
The 'PANIC!' feature is such a stupid design. On the Gri-Gri+, as I assume with the ID, it can be defeated by pulling harder. As soon as you mentioned it I tuned out to the information for the ID.
I'd have a RIG or an ISC D4 for route setting or rescues.
the rig takes less load and uses smaller ropes .
That is why I have and ID, I am on a roof or tree maybe once a year.
at 5:35, was he using the ID for ascending?
I should do opposite.
Put device on sternal victim
on a pick off rescue, it's not advised, as it keeps your patient to low with their face usually in your crotch area. With the patient up a little higher you can monitor vitals and have better control of them should you need to negotiate obstacles. An added carabiner from the chest to the ID carabiner can aid in keeping their upper body in a more comfortable position. Any rescue should avoid the possibility of any type of dynamic loading. Hope that helps, and this is just my opinion, others may have a different outlook.
@@PEGASUSRESCUE sorry for my poor english
I use to gear down people on their chest.
Rig or Id on sternal
With extra break for sure
Like this my feets are on the wall and i arrive first on the ground
Thanks a lot for your answer and your job that is exceptionnal
I use it for my job