Building a cyclone dust collector (part 3 of 3)
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- Опубліковано 7 жов 2022
- Thank you for watching!
Part 1, Building the Cyclone:
• Building a Cyclone (DI...
Part 2, Building the Blower:
• Building a Blower (DIY...
Website article with CAD model:
(Link coming soon. Or just email me for the CAD if you don't want to wait)
Thanks to Bill Pentz. His website provides useful info about dust collection:
billpentz.com/woodworking/cycl...
I was also inspired by Marius Hornberger to do this build. Here are Playlists to his fantastic dust collector builds:
• Building a Small Dust ...
• Building a Big Dust Co...
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Jer, I don’t know where to start. I throughly enjoyed every part of this build. The things that really stand out are your ability to achieve excellent fits between components using readily available shop items, your use of guides and clamps is pure genius, the features are novel and effective and your narrative is outstanding. You are part of an elite group of craftsmen I watch on UA-cam. I hope your life is satisfying and that you have a stable source of income so you’ll be able to continue to entertain and educate people like myself. God bless you,
I was struggling to think of a good comment for this great video and then I spotted this one my Harold here, he said everything I wanted and more. Keep up your good work well done.
I'll join you on this comment. Couldn't have said it more clearly.
I second that emotion. Elite craftsman sum Jer's work up for me. Brilliant
I couldn't have said it better.
Mad skills, man, mad skills!!!
It's more important that you built it and made it work (with legendary attention to detail and aesthetics) than that it works as well as the store-bought version. Any old fool (such as myself) can throw down a credit card. Only a few can build. BTW, I thought being burned-out on projects was only my personal pathology. I'm encouraged to know I'm not the only sufferer.
Relate to the project burn out pathology. Good to know I can put it down to that, rest up snd come at it again.
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I enjoyed every minute of the build. Your attention to detail is outstanding. The planning and craftmanship make it a work of art. Please continue to post your work.
I totally agree with every word. 👍👍
In spite of your misgivings at the end of this video, I think it's clever, ingenious, and built with an attention to detail showcases the precision needed in the construction of the cyclone dust collector. Well done, Jer.
You can do anything you want to, and for that you should be proud, and yes, the Cyclone "Looks Cool!"
Your builds are legendary. I hope you're doing well mentally and keep bringing us more.
It's always a good day when there's a new Jer Schmidt upload. Like a ThisOldTony video, it's well worth the wait.
My favorite times logging into UA-cam? Is when I get notifications that Jer Schmidt and also when My Mechanics have a new video!
I watch far, far too many hours of UA-cam but there are probably only 3 builders where I get genuinely excited for a new video - Marius Hornberger, Pask Makes and you!!
I have not seen so many videos that are this organized, complete with details and the great narration.
When the Hubbel telescope first sent images to Earth, the builders were shocked - the images were blurry. The engineers cried into their pillows one night and then worked on a solution. In the end it was a great success! I am sure that a jack of all trades like you will find a solution and your Hubble, sorry, your dust collector will end up working great! I admire your skills and wish I had half of them! 👍🙋♂
Jer, congrats on finishing a long-term project! Bill Pentz' decades-old work stood the test of time. Your detailed narration about the build is appreciated. $500 saved may not seem worth the effort and feeling burned out. However, the experience and learning you gained while inspiring or giving other builders ideas are priceless.
If I won the lottery, I'd built and fund your dream shop and share in the spoils of your imagination. You're a legend.
I wish I had half of your brain power. Would love to see you and Marius H. do a collab. Two of the smartest guys on the planet!
I haven't seen anyone this passionate about collecting dust. Highly enjoyable to watch!
I agree. My dust collection system is a broom and dustpan.
I love that the grinder was a building block for the future. Your work is improved, both faster and easier, because of the grinder.
As I built my first grinder I was constantly finding that a grinder would make this a lot easier.😁
Btw, I’d like to add to all of the accolades, and say that no matter what Jer is building, whether something uneventful and boring or something one of a kind, he makes it so interesting to watch because of the attention to detail, precision, ingenious and simple solutions to various problems that we may run into, hacks, beautiful engineering and design, he never fails to surprise me constantly. I have learned so much from just this 3 part series. The first thing I thought whenever I watched him work was “I could definitely hang out with this guy”
I'm sorry you're burnt out from the project, because I've thoroughly enjoyed watching the series. It looks great, if that's any consolation. Thanks for sharing!
I *really* appreciate the honest appraisal of the completed build. I'm convinced that 99% of YT people only show heavily edited successful builds, with all the goofs being edited out. Whatever they build is awesome, and there is hardly every any critical appraisal of the end result. Thanks again.
Looks really good. I especially like the way the dust bin latch mechanism turned out. I think you're absolutely right that the impeller needs to be larger. Higher CFM means increased air speeds, which should help with the efficiency of the cyclone I think. The faster the air is spinning in it, the more the dust will keep pulled to the outer edge.
Agreed. The cyclone will need a certain amount of airflow to properly establish itself. I'd guess what's happening is the air is slow enough that the cyclone separates from the walls partway down the cone and starts flowing upwards before it gets to the opening at the bottom, which will lead to turbulence and some of the dust that's falling down the sides being pulled back in and up the centre.
Higher CFM should both improve separation of the fines and also make sure the cyclone generated can actually fill the whole cone and dump out at the bin opening.
That said, this is an awesome build Jer and I'll be watching to see what improvements get eventually made when you're over the burnout!
Also, when you were testing you sucked up a few huge clumps of dust that went up the hose in one go. Those play havoc in cyclones and most of them typically blows right through. I wouldn't be surprised if 90% or more of the dust in your filter came from those big blobs, and in actual use the cyclone performance is much better as dust produced in actual operation is much more evenly distributed rather than coming in big chunks.
Awesome as always 🍻
Hope you keep it up and stay positive. You have so much to offer, my friend.
So excited to see more builds from you. There's a clarity to your design that I really admire.
Hey Jer, you've done a tremendous job with this and made one beautiful machine. Don't be too worried about the efficiency you've seen in just this video as there are a couple simple improvements you can make, and the filters do need to get somewhat loaded with a little dust to break them in. The fact that there was basically no dust at the bottom of your clean out tray is a good sign.
As you mentioned, you can absolutely put a larger more powerful impeller on, and they are even relatively cheap if you just want it done. More draw might not seem like necessarily the way to increase efficiency, but it can tighten the spiral of dust in the main body and that will help.
But the biggest thing is that there is an enormous efficiency loss is non laminar flow into the cyclone, so make sure that you have ~5' of pipe that smoothly transitions from your 8" main trunk to the square inlet.
I am the foreman of a large scenic events shop, and we just built out the dust collection system. We had two massive improvements. The first was switching to a clearvue cyclone, and the second nearly as great an improvement in terms of efficiency, was re routing the pipes to have a long, clear, straight shot into the machine.
Do that and I think you'll have a very satisfying result. But either way, I love your work man and am currently building your grinder (two actually).
Thank you for the suggestions! I am designing the ducting with a ~5ft straight shot before the inlet. I knew that was a good idea but figured it wasn’t that big of deal. Thanks for the info.
That sir was an amazing video. I'm a retired millwright and never had to do some of these things and if i did i had blueprints. This work takes a level of genius to do this without instructions or blueprints. It sounds like you almost have it.
The inventor of WD 40 didn't get it right in 39 tries. Don't give up.
This looks like something a Spider-Man villain would make. And I love it.
You didn’t just make a dust collector, you made a work of art! You’re incredibly talented!
man your welding is complete eye candy. I don't know how to weld, I want to and I don't want to. Watching you makes the decision harder. I appreciate all you work and effort is showing your skills. You have a gift.
you should learn to weld if you think you’d like it!!
I just watched till the end. Those remarks are only acceptable because WE, your audience, KNOW that you're a perfeccionist and that to raise the bar is your lifestyle (which we appreciate so much. Makes no good of a channel to simple build stuff in a hurry and with no precision). What makes Clearvue miles behind your project are your videos. Period. Those are free classes on how to do stuff. I'm amazed.
See Mr. Choate's comments. Ditto from me. Stunning work, brilliant innovation, honest evaluation. Nice job. I'll be surprised if a design-manufacture skunk-works doesn't make a job offer you cannot refuse. All the best.
ALWAYS worth watching your videos, Jer! I always walk away having learned something new and I always feel inspired to get out to my shop after. Really enjoyed this entire build.
I totally appreciate the conclusion. No time was wasted, if it was easy everyone would be making cyclone dust extractors. The experiences and demo of skills is worth more than it weighs in gold.
I can almost feel your pain at the very end, but I thoroughly enjoyed watching every episode.
Jeremy, regardless of how you are feeling about it, and how well it is or isn't working, you are truly brilliant and an inspiration. Amazing build!!! Thank you.
the modified hose clamp to the filter was a genius idea
I don’t use this phrase often, but you are brilliant.
At least you are honest about what is good/bad about the build and finally how it actually performed.
Personally, I think this whole project has been awesome.
kudos my dude. that's the fanciest dust collector i've ever laid me ol eyeballs on
I don't think I've ever heard someone on here candidly admit that a project sucked this much to do, and I love that you did it! It was funny, and puts things into perspective. Nonetheless, like everyone else said, you did a fantastic job and we love seeing your work. Cheers Jer
You have such clever solutions to obstacles in this project. When I see your ideas this quick, it seems they come naturally to you. In reality, I'm sure you waste just as much time as me project planning and cleaning up!
lol "where someone /else/ drilled into my table". awesome work, as always. keep it up.
sad to realize that the outcome of this project doesn't satisfy you, and that you are fed up with it at the moment. i am sure, you will find really good ways to improve it, and make it fit your needs.
indeed, i really enjoyed the videos, you are an inspiring builder, and many of your solutions are just awesome. but even more impressive is your honesty, regarding the outcome. you could just have pretended it's awesome. this makes you very relatable. i wish you all the best for further projects!
Your age combined with your fab skill and ingenuity is nothing short of astonishing. The frame alone, is chef's kiss, the entire thing is a dream setup. There's nothing like this on the market. Nothing that even so much as kisses the feet of this machine. Awesome.
Also, don't sweat the details. Rome wasn't built over night, and each rendition improves an item. The most important lesson i've learnt over the years is this. "GET THE ITEM DONE". There's no substitute for having the framework in place, when it comes to improvements. So even if it doesn't meet your expectations, you'll now be able to effect changes that are based on actual, touchable items, not just theoretic or thought experiments/math.
The word "Genius" comes to mind
THE LEGEND RETURNS!!!
"It's FINISHED! And I hate it!"
Definitely know those feels.
watching you problem solve and figure out ways to accomplish your goals is truly wonderful. I hope you keep at it and find a project that you can love
Holy shit you are good at this. Thanks for the content! You can tell it's VERY well made. Hope your mental health is better. You deserve to be happy doing what you enjoy
Hi Jer, very well done. cyclone. I'm glad because you have the right hands, you teach everyone with this, thank you again!!!!!!
Win or lose on the final performance, like Carnac said...Legendary. How does some massive custom manufacturer not have a waiting line for you to work for them? Thanks for all the time committed to building and filming/editing.
What I was thinking, he could command big bux in a prototype lab or research facility, or Spacex.
the hoseclamp idea is just genius, gonna adapt and use that so often from now on :D
Everything you make is amazing. Leonardo of the Americas.
Great to see you still making videos of your projects 💪🏼
Its more then “ looks cool “ its genius, mind blowing.
And Im sure your perfectionist skill will figure out a way that makes you happy with that project.
Great job 👏
And to be fair, the amount of dust you’ve tried to vacuum is massive, just try it with a regular wood work and I guarantee you will be happy 🥰
Totally enjoyed watching it. As Jimmy DIresta says, " You go to school on the first one." You got the basics soundly implemented, it just needs fine tuning but, yes, it looks awesome. Be proud, you earned it.
I've been admiring your work and skills since the begining, so long live your channel !! Keep posting!!!
Haha, the admission at the end reminds me of most of my projects. I still learned a lot of tricks from your clever mind like always, thanks for sharing! Hope you keep uploading more projects.
Great for the series: Stuff money can’t buy. 🎉 wow, what a build.
so much detail, finesse and your priorities align highly with mine. I dont click sub very often but yes.
Hey man don’t beat yourself up, it’s an awesome project and you proved that you could do it not to mention the fact that you learned a lot of new skills so mark it as a win!
As a Technician and Fabricator I can say you did a great job overall. For it's a great layout and compact enough to be functional. Indeed the impeller itself might be wrong size and profile for such a large system to function optimally but that's no reason to be discouraged. As for the noise levels, that can be somewhat reduced to an extent with some stick on rubber pads on the larger metal surfaces and the impeller casing or some spray on/brush on sound dampening rubber paint that can be found in most automotive or hardware stores. Looking forward to seeing what your next projects might be!!!
Thats the most honest take I have ever heard at the end of a project. Very rare. Normally from other creators, what they built is the best thing ever, and then 10 weeks later it has some how disappeared from the background of their videos... Great quality on the parts made, so I'm sure with the tweaks mentioned, performance will be good.
That is an awesome looking dust collector! No failures, just more experience!
You are an artist. The attention to detail and uncompromising quality is truly something to behold.
And like a true artist you were super burnt out and not even pleased with your creation in the end lol
Sexiest homemade dust cyclone set up I've seen. Love your work and thorough approach and attention to detail.
Even if you are partly happy with the outcome, your solutions are ingenious and you are an inspiration source! Well done!!!
Astonishing ! Next project : a new earth axis. Number one !!!
Those hose clamp modifications and the bin retention latches are strokes of genius. Thanks for sharing!
wow that is absolutely gorgeous, wonderful craftsmanship
Even if it didn't even turn on.... its a thing of such beauty! Your craftsmanship is top notch.
We're all super happy you're sharing your build with us! Sorry it was frustrating, but we loved all the ingenious touches added and seeing how you built it. Thanks for the hard work!
"I'm not drilling a /new/ hole into my table. I'm drilling into an old hole in the table." xD
And that idea of the modified hose clamps is extremely clever.
You do an excellent job explaining your steps. Impressive skills. If I had another hand, you'd get three thumbs up.
So many parts of this video I thought "wow Jer really uses 100% of their brain huh" 🤯
The drill bit rotation point tricks, the geometric drafting skills, CAD on that steel plate that looked like Swiss cheese to maximize material reclamation, the collapsible form for the transition piece, that bin handle with the bearings???? Absolute treat to watch this project come together.
Totally a big-brain project here. 🧠
Jerrid,
Any engineer can tell you. Going from concept to final design is a long process. Your skills, your design concept, your thinking outside the box are incredible. Later when you make the changes or adjustments to your build remember, you now have a few ideas that you know later that you can catalog as they were ok but you made them better. Be proud of what you accomplished and continue learning and don't be afraid to try something new or different. That's how progress is made.
Thanks for sharing.
I have also made a cyclone, to use with a sandblasting cabin. It has been working extremely efficiently for 6 years now. Mine is much smaller, maybe 1:3 1:4 scale of yours and it runs with a regular shop vac. I believe you have seriously oversized your cyclone or undersized your blower, it's really the same thing. Cyclones work by creating a very strong vortex in the cone periphery, the stronger the vortex(which is maximized by high velocities and relatively small cone sizes) the more difficult it is for the smaller mass dust particles to escape the vortex (because of centrifical forces) and be sucked into the blower, so they fall in the collection section. So you most likely need a much bigger cfm blower to generate much higher velocities and create a much stronger vortex if you want your cyclone to work more efficiently and also trap finer dust.
Long video but I can say your attention to detail is what kept me glued to the screen, those little hose clamp ideas, brilliant! Your welding is great, I personally appreciate seeing MIG, people on UA-cam over use and under deliver on TIG. You probably already know Jody at Welding tips and tricks. He has an old video on distortion that was a game changer for me. In a nut shell think of lacing up your shoes when welding and this will help your distortion issues. Cheers and keep enjoying the journey!
You really didn't mess around!
Incredible job!...
I was worried when I saw your channel captured. Happy to see you didnt gave up.
Definitely enjoy watching your OCD builds. Most beautiful and finely detailed dust collector out there. It's a shame you didn't enjoy it, though. The reason I pour time into infrastructure projects like this is because I gind the process a lot of fun :-) PS, cyclones work best for bigger chunks. That stuff looked fine and it seems like it caught the vast majority of it anyway.
Thanks! I enjoy this type of projects, but after the first month or two I was burnt out, and just had to push through the last 70% of the project.
An excellent blend of wood and metal fabrication. Not to mention the awesome dust collector. The attention to detail is inspiring.
I appreciate the honest evaluation at the end. I've been there myself more than I'd like to admit.
That's the most awesome and awesomly overbuilt dust collection system ever. I enjoyed every minute of watching you building it.
That collection bin mounting & locking mechanism is pure genius.
Dear Jer, this cyclone is beautiful. Thank you for sharing the build. Best wishes, John
охрененно. просто супер. огромная работа проделана.
“Octagon = a square with the corners chopped off.”
This is genius lol
Great build. If you ever have issues with the collection bag below the cyclone getting sucked inwards, there’s a neat trick to prevent it. You can run a tube from the blower to the collection bin such that it is suction from the tube will vacuum the bag to the inner surface of the bin. Then if you seal the top edge of the bag (by overlapping it over the top edge of the collection bin) it will get sucked flat against the collection bin.
The tricky bit is that you have to tap off the blower at a point that will generate a higher static pressure than the cyclone is seeing. Though you can probably just look at a commercial one that does this and copy the location ;)
As a metal worker, I am thoroughly impressed with your improvisation. I learned quite a few things from you! Awesome video.
Man I feel that ending on a personal level. When you make something right it takes a long time, costs a lot for good materials, and in the end if youre not already an expert in that field chances are its performance isnt going to blow you out of the water. When it comes to making stuff you gotta choose your battles. The final product is super nice looking though, and of course the attention to detail is amazing.
This was a fascinating series. Thank you for posting your project online.
Cyclones don't work well when sucking up a lot of fine dust at once.
Really enjoyed watching this.
Enjoyed it immensely. Definitely a bigger impeller 16" min with 3 phase motor and VFD to solve the current draw/soft start issues, convert from single to 3 phase & allow you to tune to requirement. When you re-do the impeller, go for 4mm backing plate, 3mm fins. Allow the fins to overhang the outer edge of the backing plate by 35mm, which saves a lot of rotating mass on the backing plate. Pay attention to rounding/easing the exposed edges of the fins because the edges are where a lot the turbulence/noise/inefficiency comes from. Great job... I learned a lot from watching.
Great job, pal! I'm super stoked you are back with some great content and projects.
Dude. I have a clearvue, and this is an incredible project. Super well done. The clearvue also is incredibly loud, I haven't measured but could easily believe it to be in the high 80s or 90db. Your dust collection box and filter clean out are also way better. The clearvue also lets a decent amount of fine dust through to the filter, I regularly pull POUNDS of fine dust out of the poorly designed filter cleanout. Upsize that impellor, and try adding some sound deadening to decrease the volume, and you'll have a better dust collector than clearvue, easy.
I really like the octagon design theme you're developing; I see that in the legs of your welding table as well. It's really good to see you doing fun things!
Ooh, gosh, I guess not fun after all. I'm sorry - I commented before I got to the end.
Sorry the collector does not meet expectation, but at least you have a plan for improvement, and I agree, it looks quite impressive. In my humble opinion, you are a rockstar! You are a master at fabrication and I still very much enjoy watching your vids. I look forward to your next vid, after your much deserved respite.
You’re one of my favorite creators on UA-cam. Your statement at the end enhanced my appreciation for you.
This was a truly amazing series, the variety of materials you worked with combined with the skill and attention to detail demonstrated with all of them was really inspiring. One quick thought, watching the cyclone in action, I noticed that the bag stayed sucked in and taught the entire time the it was running. That to me indicates an air leak in the hopper somewhere. The bag might go tight when the unit first turns on but it should slack once a vacuum is pulled. If there is a leak, that will massively decrease the efficiency of the cyclone and allow a huge amount of dust to pass into the filters.
That's an heirloom-grade dust cyclone! Don't imagine for one minute that Oneida got theirs as good as it is on the first build. It isn't (typical) engineering if there aren't lessons learned over iterative changes. Great work!
Your design and fabrication skills, and attention to detail is on a whole ‘ other level. Super impressive!