Easy, Cheap, Efficient Cyclone System. I wish I had one sooner.
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- Cyclone Dust Collector
Cyclone System
Does a cheapy cyclone system really help my cyclone system?
Can my 3.5HP shop vac handle the extra bends and turns?
All these questions and more answered here today!
This video is TWO of THREE parts:
Part One: Building the Boom Arm
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Part Two: Hookup Up A Cyclone Dust Separator
Part Three: The TOTAL System, and why I chose the pieces I did to create a cheap and reliable dust collection system.
(posting on 8/3/2024)
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This video is TWO of THREE parts:
Part One: Building the Boom Arm
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Part Two: This Video
Part Three: The TOTAL System, and why I chose the pieces I did to create a cheap and reliable dust collection system.
(posting on 8/3/2024)
A few years back I mounted the head of my shop vac to a 30 gal trash can. Saves a lot between dumps.
That's a ridiculously good idea. I wonder if I can find a trash can to fit!
@@WhosTheVoss or you can “engineer” one to fit.
Thanks for the tip. I have a 50 gallon drum I might be able to do that with.
So many memories on this. I started exactly like this. Used a Bauer cyclone which I still is for sanding. Finally bought a harbor freight 2hp dust collector. With some modifications I replaced the bag with a plastic drum. Let me tell you.. GAME CHANGER!!! Get a drum that has the lid with a seal and metal latch. Cut out a round circle of plywood and mount this sucker to the wall. The exhaust side pipe out the window or vent outside. Now this is going to cost a bit more to do but plan out a run of 4 inch sewer pipe. Don’t put elbows in it use 2 45 degrees to not loose your cfm. Use wyes to leg off for your drops. Gates are awesome to use to shut off unused pipes. Don’t glue your joints! There is tape specific for this but try the tape used for ducting. Very sticky and works great. Rockler has connections for sewer pipe. Try to keep hard pipe as close as possible to your tools. Then gates and flex hose. Plan on a utility or cleaning leg to use for vacuuming. Note: power tech wyes and gates are awesome! However don’t match up to sewer pipe. Rockler has the connections to help with this.
Great video! Won’t be long and you will upgrade to something more. lol. Like all of us we been there done that!
Thanks buddy! Sounds like a great setup!
@@WhosTheVoss it serves my small shop well. Only 4 drops and can expand if needed.
I found another tip for your filter. Take a pool filter sock and put it on your filter. Works great to keep that fine dust away from it. They are really inexpensive. 10 for $10.
Imma check them out! Thanks buddy :)
@@jaywon6749 I ve incorporated that also. Anything to save those expensive filters and spend more time working and less time maintaining!!!!
You don't need a filter. Shop vac can go a year with out cleaning if you don't have leaks or let your bucket or containers get to full.😅
I used regular socks
Knee high pantihose work as well
I have a 6 hp ridge shop vac. I have a single cyclone dust deputy mounted onto the cover of a 30 gallon barrel. I put a hose on the exhaust port of my shop vac and ran the exhaust out of on old dryer vent to the outside.
I was able to eliminate the vac filter.
I get about 1200 cfm.
Everything goes into the barrel. It has its own spring clamp on the cover.
Im lovin the exhaust outside option for the vacuum! Maybe for my next upgrade :)
I like that idea. I've wondered how much fine dust 'mI sending back into my shop from the output of my shop vac. Are you on UA-cam?
I had the same issue at first (I bought the same cyclone setup.) Found I had leaks in my primary container. I built a rectangular container sealed with backer rod use for caulking purposes. Now my secondary the clear jar only fills up every 3 to for times emptying my main container witch I modled after a 13 gal trash can. More capacity but still not to heavy to empty. And my vac has about a teaspoon or two of fines after several months of daily use. Good luck 👍. Thanks for you videos. Love the inspirations!
Wow, that seems like a nice setup! I've been using my cyclone for the last two weeks and have learned that the "test" i did was an overload for the cyclone. Running the table saw as normal 95% of the dust is collected in the 5 gallon :)
Bags ina shop vac are a must
Ive got a lot comments about adding a bag, Ill have to track one down for my vac
I've been wanting to find a clear bucket as well! I have the Bauer collector already but I'll be using this video to inspire my build! You just showed me all the stuff I knew I wanted to do but didn't start on yet. Thank you very much.
Right??! First off, Ive been using my cyclone for about two weeks since filming this video, andddd let me tell ya; my test was setup for failure. During normal everyday use the big bucket collects 97% of the dust, I overloaded the cyclone when I sucked that much up that quickly 🤷♀️ andd yes! This bucket gives you a clear visible line of how full it is :)
If possible, replace as much of the flex hose with PVC pipe. The pipe will reduce drag on the overall airflow and improve efficiency. Use flex hose for short runs between the solid pipe and the tool itself.
True that :)
When I started purchasing for my new shop, I got two Duststopper Pro from Home Depot to daisy chain into my new 6.5 hp Ridgid vac. The second Duststopper gets very very little dust and the inside of the shop vac has absolutely zero dust in it. Definitely overkill, but it's nice knowing that my vacuum will not be blowing fine dust back into the air. I have the second bucket elevated to line up it's input port to the output port of the first one. With the new dual clip bucket attachment of the new style duststopper pro, maintenance is a breeze.
Ive been using my cyclone for about two weeks since filming this video, andddd let me tell ya; my test was setup for failure. During normal everyday use the big bucket collects 97% of the dust, I overloaded the cyclone when I sucked that much up that quickly 🤷♀️
@@WhosTheVoss You are correct. Cyclones work best with the amount of dust/chips a machine creates running through it.... vs. cleaning up a pile of dust.
We need to keep this in mind when cleaning up around/under our tools.
Next week's video will be a rolling 5 gal bucket cabinet on wheels, with magnetic hose coupling and a white T-shirt with Utz Cheese Ball fingerprints
Keep up the great content sir, The boom arm and great filtration are on my fall to-do list
Awesome! Thanks buddy! Glad youre enjoying the content :)
@@WhosTheVoss I'm serious, you are probably half my age but have four times the energy and these shop upgrades will get done this fall.
Only thing I want to try differently is 3d printed magnetic hose connectors.
You are killing it A-Aron!
It is mandatory when consuming or working with cheetos or cheese balls to end up with orange stained fingers and orange stains on your white t-shirt!!
UA-camr Hooked on Wood came up with a very nice design with a rising bottom platform with a single toggle clamp to sandwich the bucket. Making it easy to empty. But still loved the video. ❤
Imma look him up here in a little bit :)
I have the bauer one, and I very minimal dust in my vacuum. Like a tbsp foe every 10 gallons of dust collected
I've been using my cyclone for the last two weeks and have learned that the "test" i did was an overload for the cyclone. Running the saws and tools as normal, 95% of the dust is collected in the 5 gallon :)
Thanks. This was good info. I have the basic Bauer version. The red bucket will collapse sometimes from the pressure. I have a bigger model craftsman vac. We have many screw tops on other buckets for dog food and keeping fish well away from the bottom of my car. I will adapt my system to use a screw top like yours. I also think some of the translucent food grade buckets are stronger than the basic red version. That may prevent bucket collapse. Thanks again.
Ive heard good things about the harbor frieght cyclone, if I use too much suction power my bucket will supress in, but it bounces right back to normal :) Ive been using my cyclone for about two weeks since filming this video, andddd let me tell ya; my test was setup for failure. During normal everyday use the big bucket collects 97% of the dust, I overloaded the cyclone when I sucked that much up that quickly 🤷♀️
@@WhosTheVoss definitely need a follow up video to show that!
If you guys are having issues with the bucket collapsing, I've found that cutting a plywood donut and placing it halfway into the bucket will prevent that. Also, just placing another bucket onto the bottom of the existing one will prevent 99% percent of the collapse. 👌
This is a great option for those who don’t have a complete shop dust collection system!!
Great channel and another great video!!
Thanks buddy :)
I use a dust deputy. That thing works great. Have it on top of a 35gal barrel with I dewalt stealth Sonic shop vac. The thing is so quiet compared to what I had. But it stays connected to my cnc and haven't had a single issue with it.
Sounds like a good setup!! :)
love your Vods :)
Thanks buddy :)
If the bucket collapses use two buckets one inside the other
Ive only sucked this bucket in once, when I didnt give my vacuum enough air with one of my sanders, it popped right back out though :)
If you can’t find a clear bucket and are in the DIY mode, make a small vertical window slit and silicone some clear plastic, what ever you can get as long as it’s rigid: plastic bottle, veggie containers, or thin plexiglass you can heat shape using the bucket itself.
I like it!!
I've just been looking at that exact cyclone.
Its a good one :) Ive been using my cyclone for about two weeks since filming this video, andddd let me tell ya; my test was setup for failure. During normal everyday use the big bucket collects 97% of the dust, I overloaded the cyclone when I sucked that much up that quickly 🤷♀️
I'm using an old softball bucket. Its not 100% clear but its good enough to see through
Heck yeah! I like being able to see how full the bucket is :) smart thinking throwing in the softball bucket!
Great video!!! Thanks for sharing it!!!!
Thanks Michael!
Love the double cyclone look, but a larger diameter one would probably give it more "hang time". I'd just use filter bags and call it a day.
Ive been using my cyclone for about two weeks since filming this video, andddd let me tell ya; my test was setup for failure. During normal everyday use the big bucket collects 97% of the dust, I overloaded the cyclone when I sucked that much up that quickly 🤷♀️
@@WhosTheVoss Maybe a good video for you...This is what helped me the most. Assuming you read Bill Pentz's study (6 times over 15 yrs for me, till it made sense)...K.I.S.S. : DC>3" hose, ShopVac 2 1/2" and less, 3000 ft/min on horizontal, 4000 ft/min on vertical. Adjust pipe size to maintain speed. $30 anamometer and SHAZAAM! I'm an expert. You're a good content creator, keep 'em coming!
The smaller the diameter of the cyclone, the faster the cyclone spins and the higher g force exists. I used hydro cyclone in my former employment, we used cyclone that were 4 inch diameter at the top down to 5/8 in at the bottom, 6 feet tall and generated an estimated 1000 g’s of separation force.
The vacuum cleaner had dust in it because the 2nd 'bucket' filled up. Put another 5-gallon pail on the second one and you shouldn't have anything in the cleaner.
I'm wondering if you didn't have the second cyclone would the first one still pass all that crap along.
A tip for those who don't have a see through bucket. Cut a vertical slot in the bucket and glue a strip of clear something plexiglass, whatever, over the slot. Now you have a sight glass.
Ive been using my cyclone for about two weeks since filming this video, andddd let me tell ya; my test was setup for failure. During normal everyday use the big bucket collects 97% of the dust, almost zero dust in the second cyclone. I overloaded the cyclone when I sucked that much up that quickly 🤷♀️
One way to find out if your bucket or bin leaks is your shop vac will have dust in it. If you have no leaks the shop vac will stay clean even after a years use.
Ive been using my cyclone for about two weeks since filming this video, andddd let me tell ya; my test was setup for failure. During normal everyday use the big bucket collects 97% of the dust, I overloaded the cyclone when I sucked that much up that quickly 🤷♀️
Thank you. I like your videos
Thanks buddy :)
I might be naive but I was waiting on 2 things, frist that the 5 gal bucket would have filled first and second that almost nothing would have gotten to the shop vac...
Ive been using my cyclone for about two weeks since filming this video, andddd let me tell ya; my test was setup for failure. During normal everyday use the big bucket collects 97% of the dust, I overloaded the cyclone when I sucked that much up that quickly 🤷♀️
Hello from Ozark, MO. Here's a new sub for your goal. Why not?
Heck yeah!! :) welcome to the community
I enjoy your videos but i think you miss on this one. Lots of work and extra parts that just add to the expense and i think inefficiency. Both my Dustopper Pro and dust deputy both seems yo be more efficient with one less cyclone for per system. I think my dust deputy does the best but has a much higher profile. Keep the videos coming.
Thanks buddy :)
That doesn't seem like a very efficient cyclone. A dust deputy 2.5 will work a lot better. Also, putting a bag in your shop vac will prevent any fine dust from getting to the filter and it will be literal years before you need to change the bag.
Thanks buddy :)
I guess the vac is underpowered if the airspeed was sufficient the cyclone would perform better but gathering so much into the flex hose, is not a real situation and that amount would affektu performance also. Lets see some examples where you test the performance on different rates, like 1 cup per minute until maybe 5 cups per minute. Maybe if you vac when you cut a board it vil perform better and most of it will be collected in the cyclones.
Ive been using my cyclone for about two weeks since filming this video, andddd let me tell ya; my test was setup for failure. During normal everyday use the big bucket collects 97% of the dust, I overloaded the cyclone when I sucked that much up that quickly 🤷♀️
As much as I want dust collection I'm afraid my breaker would just keep popping and I'd get more frustrated than anything. I use am old vacuum cleaner for stuff on surfaces and a leaf blower on the floor (shop / garage door open)
I rescued a vacuum, removed the beater head, and have it draw through a cyclone of 2 5 gallon buckets. I trimmed the lip of the top bucket to fit into the bottom, and made a block for the hose to attach to give me the circular airflow. Only the finest particles get through to the vacuum bin.
I meann, whatever works buddy! This vacuum is not impressing the ladies (quite small) and it handles this system quite well :) id say, borrow a shop vac and see if it pops a breaker
The cyclone action happens inside the cyclone hence the name. Then falls down into the bucket. I don’t think the shape of container has any effect on the cyclone motion when using a cyclone.
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it would have been nice if you could connect the two ciclones to one bucket, instead of the small one having that plastic container, that it had a tube that went to the big bucket, i dont know if that would affect how it works though, and i would have done another test, when the clear container on the small one filled, i would stop and look at the vacuum container, it looked very full during the test, so its the same as when your vacuum filled up and blows dust all over, it ws full so it couldnt work and more dust got in to the vacuum
Ive been using my cyclone for about two weeks since filming this video, andddd let me tell ya; my test was setup for failure. During normal everyday use the big bucket collects 97% of the dust, I overloaded the cyclone when I sucked that much up that quickly 🤷♀️
@@WhosTheVoss yhhhh looked like it, well, good thing it works even better! happy for you
The first cyclone isn't clearing as much debris as it should. I can't help but think that's a false economy if you have to work so much to keep the second cyclone cup cleaned. Something else that would help keep the filter clean is use a bag in the can. With the cyclone(s) clearing the debris the bag would keep the bag clean.
Ive been using my cyclone for about two weeks since filming this video, andddd let me tell ya; my test was setup for failure. During normal everyday use the big bucket collects 97% of the dust, I overloaded the cyclone when I sucked that much up that quickly 🤷♀️
Hey brother, can you throw a link to the rubber hose connectors and reducers you’re using.
None of my tools seem to use any common hose adapters or ends I’ve gotten from Amazon or Lowe’s. I like the rubber idea with the hose clamps.
Thanks in advance and awesome work!
I tried to find specific links for them but came up short. They are used for sewer or waste pipes, I found them at Lowes, Ace Hardware and Farmking :)
@@WhosTheVoss appreciate it!
Just realized my buddy is a plumber and he probably knows as well and might be able to hook me up.
Thanks again for the excellent content! I be talking you up to other woodworking groups too to try to get you to 100k brotha!
Good morning,
Why did you put two standard cyclones? The second is filled very quickly!
Ive been using my cyclone for about two weeks since filming this video, andddd let me tell ya; my test was setup for failure. During normal everyday use the big bucket collects 97% of the dust, I overloaded the cyclone when I sucked that much up that quickly 🤷♀️
Did you happen to try removing the smaller cyclone and see what the result was?
I've been using my cyclone for the last two weeks and have learned that the "test" i did was an overload for the cyclone. Running the saws and tools as normal, 95% of the dust is collected in the 5 gallon :)
No way the second one should be filling up that fast, you must have an air leak with the bucket because I have the same one and can get the 20 litre bucket near full and there is almost nothing in the second smaller one. It only seems to get the really fine dust like from sanding that bypasses the first cyclone.
Ive been using my cyclone for about two weeks since filming this video, andddd let me tell ya; my test was setup for failure. During normal everyday use the big bucket collects 97% of the dust, I overloaded the cyclone when I sucked that much up that quickly 🤷♀️
Pretty sure @6:20 you have the beginnings of a tiny DIY grand piano.
Omg! YES! Baby piano build!!
You have a leak between your first cyclone and debries bucket. I have 4 dust deputies and over 99% stays in the bucket.
I've been using my cyclone for the last two weeks and have learned that the "test" i did was an overload for the cyclone. Running the saws and tools as normal, 95% of the dust is collected in the 5 gallon :)
@@WhosTheVoss You have a leak. My shop vac filters don't need to be cleaned. 99.9% is what I get. A leak will cause the shop vac filter to get way more than what it should be getting. Really defeating the purpose of the dust deputy.
Why do you not have a nylon sock over the filter to reduce filter clog??? It also makes it easier to clean. Also, Home Depot has a better one than that one you've shown here.
Never heard of such a contraption! Ill have to check it out :)
Why not turn that into a positive comment Kev?
Something like " I have found that a pool filter sock add another great layer of filtration.
Also, the Home Depot buckets have worked well for me in the past"
😂build cabinet to hide clear bucket to see when full. 👌🏻 😂😂
Thoughts come and go quite quickly in my brain 🤣 not all of them are quality checked! Lol
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Thanks Higgie!
Nice project but i think you used way too many expensive fittings (ferncos)
I beefed mine up a weeee bit, but, I could have just slid the vacuum hose right in the top :) The only additional thing you'd need is the hose from the front of your cyclone to your tool :)
I was a bit disappointed to see how quickly that small transparent "bottle" filled with dust. It basically instantly filled. So you're going to have to walk on over to it and empty it every 30 seconds when you're cleaning a dirt shop 🤦🏻
Ive been using my cyclone for about two weeks since filming this video, andddd let me tell ya; my test was setup for failure. During normal everyday use the big bucket collects 97% of the dust, I overloaded the cyclone when I sucked that much up that quickly 🤷♀️
Ok great, that's good to know. So it's only if you suck up a massive pile of dust in one go that the small transparent container will fill up so quickly?
nice build. you really over loaded the cyclone with the way you sucked up off the bench. no cyclone would seperate that out. normal use will be a lot slower feed rater so the cyclone would work a lot better. i have been looking at these dual action cylones lately. my single one is way more effecient than you findings with normal use so you should see similar or even better.
your wrong about the drum needing to be round. you dont want the air spinning in the drum , that will keep the dust in the air where it can bypass the cyclone. a lot of industrail seperaters would have air straighteners there to stop that rotation.
post up a video of the seperation with normal use. i would love to see that
You're totally right. I've been using my cyclone for the last two weeks and have learned that the "test" i did was an overload for the cyclone. Running the table saw as normal 95% of the dust is collected in the 5 gallon :)
I don't think the shape of the bin affects the cyclone efficiency. I have never heard that before, and it doesn't fit what I've read about the physics.
I recall reading it a few times in my research to be on the safe side I added it in there. 🤷♀️🤷♀️
The size can change ok. The leaks in this container determine if the cyclone works or not. 99.95 must have a perfect seal. Problem with homemade bin is they LEAK!
@@MarkJonesRanger I've been using a 5 gallon bucket, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't leak.
I want to build a box, for a custom solution. But I haven't got there.
I.liked your video, but suggest you refrain from repeating the word "other" when stating "every other", also the extra parts on the outlet were unnecessarily over engineered. I did like the bucket cover, however. I use one of those bucket lids for my dog food container.
Thanks buddy :)
Something is very wrong in your setup or with this cyclone, it's not working at all. I use a cheap single stage cyclone and I don't get anywhere near that much sawdust in my vac. You should get almost nothing.
Ive been using my cyclone for about four weeks since filming this video, andddd let me tell ya; my test was setup for failure. During normal everyday use the big bucket collects 97% of the dust, I overloaded the cyclone when I sucked that much up that quickly 🤷♀️
You should not have sealed bucket lid , they are totally air tight ....😊
I feel that buddy 🤣🤣