Im an instrumetation tech and prototype vehicle mechanic for Roush/Ford. I own a 2007 Explorer v8 lifted on 33's, and highly modified 500awhp taurus 2010 SHO and a 2023 Bronco Sasquatch. Most Ford vehicles will only allow full advancetrac OFF below 25mph. It will not be full off at speeds above 25mph. So if the vehicles front wheels start to slide laterally over 25mph (its very sensitive to the front wheels sliding laterally), it will cut power. The steering wheel angle, throttle position and vehicle yaw (lateral acceleration) are constantly being compared to determine if the vehicle is sliding or if its tracking the drivers intended path. The vehicle will also cut power to save drive train components such as during a gear shift to reduce slippage of the clutch plates in the transmission during a shift. Especially with the 10speeds. If there is too much slippage in the transfercase clutches for too long, it will flully lock them, or cut power if the excess clutch slip continues. I experienced this in my explorer at the sand dunes. Clutches in my tcase were worn out. Sand and mud/ruts modes are more lenient in these type deep conditions and those modes hold gears longer to allow more wheel speed, engine rpm and are less apt to upshift to prevent forward moment loss during the shift. This strategy is also easier on the engine and transmission in these deep situations. 4low offers similar benefits as far as maintaining wheelspeed/wheel tq and reducing stress on the engine/trans. Also, the ranger is light in the rear. This will place a higher demand on traction of the front wheels making front wheel slippage and sliding more likely. 13-16psi is the sweet spot for me in my bronco on 35's and explorer on 33's at the sand dunes and in deep snow. Ford also could end up revising the traction programming in the future. Great videos and i love the snow tests!
It really sucks to know that even trucks are being built so that there is no optional mode where it just does what you ask it to do. Throttle should mean throttle, not throttle by software committee. It's also bullshit that you won't show crucial status items in the UI, like detection of slip overriding driver input, or transmission status overriding driver input. Its like the lawyers said "drivers can't complain about what they don't know, make sure the system doesn't tell them too much".
Who else was yelling, “put it in 4LO”. No intervention from the Nannie’s and better control. I use 4LO in the snow often. Especially for going down steep mountain roads. That way I’m not touching the brakes. Sorry, nothing wrong with the truck, it was driver error. We can tell you come from Subaru land. Use that 4LO gearing anytime you’re climbing anything.
Completely agree, he doesn’t know what he’s doing. He’s talking like he knows what he’s doing, but just someone that has watched 4 wheelin’ rather than practical experience with real trucks. Lock all front and back, 4Lo for any climbing. 4Lo is literally for this scenario,.
If you're getting traction control warnings, you didn't turn off traction control. You need to press AND hold it to fully turn it off. Just pressing the button does not fully disengage the system. Or you know, put it in 4LO like it probably should have been and traction control is totally off by default.
The fix is obvious.......the Raptor needs more buttons to push on the inside and more badges on the outside. Perhaps a 10 foot Raptor flag would help also.
Buttons? Whaa? This is not the eighteenth century anymore grandpa! It needs just one big screen for a entire panel, with a digital steering wheel also, so you can drive with your fingers like in a mobile games!
When you reset to Baja mode, it resets your traction control, so you need to manually go in and turn it off again, and then also turn off advancetrac. Otherwise it will cut power like you are experiencing. Happened to me in my Bronco on a sandy hill climb in front of a bunch of friends and it was pretty embarrassing lol 😂 edit: this is the exact issue you are having at 30:50
Agreed, every time you change modes/selections, the truck resets. You would need to do the long hold to disable the babysitters anytime you change options.
Why use "modes" like that anyway? Just put it in 4 low with traction control fully off, air the tires down and use the lockers as intended. This guy doesn't know much about off-roading, and I think this highly capable vehicle would have fared better with a more experienced driver.
As a Scandinavian used to driving in winter conditions, watching this clip with a driver who obviously have no experience in driving in winter conditions and the automatic modes in this vehicle not aiding at all! An Audi quattro with a manual gearbox and no auto modes, equipped with nordic winter tires would drive circles around this tested vehicle!
Agree completely. Canadian winter driving 101 - Don’t spin your tyres. The grooves in tyres are design to imprint the snow and grab what it can to ensure traction. When you spin your tires, you don’t give sipes or grooves and tires to form to the surface to aid in traction. One of the first things learned in winter driving school up here in Canada eh! Gain momentum and avoid spin. Keep your RpM needle from blasting off. 4 low would limit slip for sure 👍
A Subaru with good winter tires would also drive circles around this truck. I'm Canadian and we get some pretty crazy winters and winter storms. I've driven my Impreza with Michelin (X-ice snow winter tires) in a foot or so of snow and in snow storms it literally just plowed through it never lost grip never spun out or got stuck , just blasted through the snow like it didn't exist. These modes companies add don't really help much from what I can tell and the only thing that actually works is a simple well designed full time AWD system like Subarus symmetrical AWD and Audi's quattro system especially the older quattro AWD , add good winter tires and they're basically mountain goats grip for days and zero issues. I've seen so many cars with reactive AWD systems spin out and get stuck in heavy snow I've also seen many trucks get stuck in the snow as well , hell I've even seen jeeps get stuck in a winter storm. The issue in my opinion is partially the drive and partially poorly designed cars and shitty driving modes that clearly do not help at all, and fake AWD
Really? It was the worst test he did IMHO, using 4H and Baja mode in the snow 😅 ... "3 easy steps to bog your truck in the snow" that should've been the title.
I think you should have tried low range. In my 2015 Tundra I get more throttle freedom and the hills are steep enough on your test course it would have taken some stress off of your transmission.
As a self-proclaimed snow wheeler in central Oregon, I was cringing the whole time I saw 4hi and a foot to the floor. I get that you were trying to cause the failure again, but the only reason you seemed to be getting anywhere is because the tires were digging down to the dirt. *Hypothetically* if you’d have been in deep snow, you’d get beached on the frame/diff/plates immediately and it’d be chore do get unstuck by yourself (ask me how I know 😂). Additionally, most 4lo systems disable powercut and/or brake traction aids, so it may be worth trying that out on the next go around.
This is exactly why I have kept my 2004 Rubicon that I bought new over 20 years ago. I hate computer control, just give me the lockers and manual throttle and I will take it from there... Happy new year!!
Yeah I have zero issues in my 2020 Gladiator Rubicon in 4 hi or low with traction control off in the snow. I pulled a new Tacoma Trd Pro all over a local off road trail last year because the electrical nannies kept him from getting off of the trail and he wouldn't listen too me about how to drive or what settings to use.I have zero drive modes other than off road + and have yet to even look up whats it for because I wheel like I am in an old vehicle
Dude! He could have simply put it in 4lo, which turns off all computer assistance, and used the locker but he decided to put it in Baja mode designed for sand and gun it up a fairly steep incline in 2 feet of snow. I mean why did he not use 4lo??? That's what you would have done in those conditions.
18:37 you say “and the truck starts rolling back… with my foot on the throttle”. If you zoom in and watch the brake lights, they come on BEFORE you start rolling back. Its almost like you were accelerating and moving forwards then you intentionally hit the brake pedal THEN it rolled back.
While in the dunes, my Ranger Raptor lost power several times. I noticed that when I got a lot of wheel spin the transmission would shift to 7th or 8th gear. I switched to the paddles and never had that problem again.
canadian pipeliner here. air up and 4 high. in snow with gravel underneath, taller skinnier tires will dig better down to grip because more contact patch pressure. air down is for sand float, or rock grip. on snow you end up just making less psi onto the slipping surface spinning creates. think, crazy carpet. lest contact patch with same weight = more psi on the ground = more dig & bite. 4 low is torquier and will break grip easier. 4 high is better because you want to ride the line of available friction without going over and breaking loose. so you just manage the throttle more delicately to keep wheel speed down and not slipping in the dubious sections (you want to essentially bog down) and jam on her to dig for dirt (ecc off) where you have room and a clean exit. airing down can get you a bit of terrain-hugging and there's a fine-line benefit to be had but depends what's under the snow.
@pubfixture I definitely agree with you on having taller skinny tires. 12.5" wide tires are horrible in certain situations as the video shows. The reason why I think he needed to air down is that he's on uneven terrain with a tendency to dig himself divots. Having the tires able to mold around those should help in this specific situation. I disagree with you on the use of 4 high vs 4 low. He kept using waaaay too much wheel speed while not moving forward which is going to strain the transmission needlessly. I drive my Bronco up crazy steep snowy hills in 4 low and don't spin my tires excessively. You have better control over wheel speed in 4 low. Smooth and steady throttle input combined with momentum and you have a winning combination. The truck has limitations due to the light rear end so it's never going to excel on Hills like he's trying to get up.
Would like to see what Ford says about the power cut. As a person who drives a lot in the snow during the winter I too am a fan of using power vs braking in a slide situation. If that power isn't there or unpredictable things can go bad fast.
My 2014 F150 Ecoboost was insane with the traction control, especially in 4Auto. I live in a neighborhood that sits on a state route and so I have to pull out into traffic sometimes. There was a few times where the TC kicked in pulling out in the snow and just shuts the truck down in the middle on the road. It was so bad that I actually went into the tuning with HPTuners and reduced the amount of power that it would cut when the TC activated. Instead of cutting 75% power or whatever it did stock, it would only cut 25%, but would still be trying to use the brakes to control wheel spin. This let me power through those situations while the brakes still tried to keep spin down and let me get up to speed. That said, it wasnt just cutting power like this was, but I also didnt drive it in the snow like a savage like this.
😂 **puts truck in mode meant for 45+mph speeds in the desert** **proceeds to drive truck in the snow, at slow speeds** “Ah come on! Why ya boggin there!?” SMH 🤦🏼♂️
If you don't try LO with both lockers, then you are not really trying. LO usually has a little extra traction. I guess you just wanted the extra Baha mode sound. All of the Electronic Nannies are ridiculous, especially if you can't turn them completely OFF. The 4A clutch in the transfer case is for soccer moms/grandmothers.
This guy thought it was a good idea to put the truck into Baja mode with deep snow lmao. Ryan is a reviewer who makes good looking videos, but he is not an off roader (see what he did to his 4Runner a few years ago). He does the exact opposite of what you should do for these conditions - consistently.
Seems like you’re turning off traction control but then hitting a different drive mode and it likely turns traction control back on. Try putting it in whatever more you want and then turn off traction control last. See if that makes a difference. The other thing I’d say is to put it in manual mode and keep it in 1 gear vs letting it change gears and lose power.
We had issues on slippery hills where we were spinning the tires and the vehicles upshifted causing a loss of power and causing the traction control to get more aggressive. Now we hold the vehicle in either 2nd or 3rd depending on how much momentum and wheel spin we need to get up the hill.
There was a lot of throttle being used. I found almost no situations when snow wheeling where wheel spin was beneficial. Or if it was, just barely a little spin.
I know snow traction can vary wildly depending on conditions and that's why I'm not a fan of high speed spinning of wheels. I always try to not spin at all. For this reason I always lock diffs. I don't like spinning because it warms up the tires that melts the snow and forms ice on the ground. I like to use 4 Low and just keep bumping in the snow sometimes just using momentum (no power) and let it stop when it wants. If you lay down good track of packed snow you'll be surprised what it will do when it doesn't have to cut the tracks. Once your tires are smoking you're done. You won't have any traction because there will be water between the tire and the snow. I don't care too much for the snow peak rating. They are NOT substitutes for a winter tire. They are only marginally better than an ordinary AT tire. Remember the steam rising from your tires (and probably brakes). The rubber rating is not a factor when they are that warm. I'm not saying you would have made it up those hills, but you might have made it a little further. Always lock everything you can. Sometimes you need 4 tires pulling to move, If you're not fully locked, the minute one tire looses traction then the other side starts spinning and you will stop forward motion. That's the problem with traction controls. If you brake one spinning tire, the corresponding tire will spin up twice as fast when it looses traction. Keep everything locked in deep stuff. You're in 4 Low so falling off the road is not as much of a concern since you going a lot slower.
I would suggest using lockers ONLY when needed on Hills because often times, your vehicle will crab walk or move to one side unexpectedly in slippery conditions. Especially on an off camber hill climb. I drive a 2 door Bronco with the Sasquatch package and I off road in snow quite a bit.
I'm going to guess (obviously I could be wrong) that you live in a colder, flatter location. I agree spinning can often make the surface more slippery, but here in Washington State the temperature of the snow is often right at freezing -- the snow is already wet, no spinning required. For example, I went driving up into the mountains yesterday. When I drove back out, the ruts I made in the snow when driving in had water flowing down them like ditches. Second, we have twisty roads. If you are 4-locked, then in every turn you are forcing the tires to slip. Also, side-slops are very common on our mountain roads. Being 4-locked makes it more likely that you will slide sideways -- possibly over the edge -- if you do break traction. A curve with a side-slope (a banked corner -- something that is common on our dirt roads) can be harder to navigate if you are 4-locked -- the turn forces the tires to slip, and the side slope then causes the vehicle to slide sideways. Even if the twists and turns can be negotiated with the differentials locked, having the front locked increases the steering effort so much that it feels like I'm punishing my rig for no reason. For these reasons, I only lock my front locker when I really need it. Finally, if the weight is evenly distributed left-to-right on your tires (that is if the surface you are driving on doesn't have big holes, bumps, etc), then locking the differentials usually only makes a small improvement in traction. I would estimate that locking my front differential usually increases my tractive force less than 10% (on even surfaces). I agree with Ryan, sometimes the risk of sliding sideways can outweigh the benefit of the increased traction.
Way too much throttle. Put it in manual shift mode, 4 low, both lockers locked. Snow traction requires snow on snow contact. That means your treads need to have snow compacted into them so that you get the snow on snow contact. Spinning the wheels throws the snow out of the tire treads. Love most of your videos but you need to rethink your snow driving technique.
@@torbinnorsky4777 Snow comes in a huge variety of conditions. Having helped recover hundreds of vehicles over the years, I agree that too much throttle and spinning is often what gets people stuck. However, there are occasions where a lot of spinning is helpful -- for example in not-too-deep snow where the tires can dig to the ground underneath. He MIGHT have had conditions where spinning was the best approach. Notice there is a lot of dirt showing in his tracks. At 13:12 you can even see some dirt as well as snow being thrown by the tires. The tires are, at times, cutting through the snow. Under these conditions, spinning to reach the dirt might be the best answer. Without being there, it's impossible to know. Maybe 5 years ago met Ryan in person when I was snow-wheeling. He is a well above average driver in the snow. Without being there in person, I wouldn't second-guess his approach.
Low range and lockers. Forget the ridiculous drive modes. 4 auto, for me, is only used on snow covered pavement. Offroad with snow is always 4 high or 4 low.
The other thing is when the wheels are spinning and the transmission upshifts, the wheels basically stop and losing all momentum. Manual shifting might be a good idea in this case keeping the gears locked in.
why would you not try it in 4LO and lock the front and rear???????????????????????? I mean a hill climb and you want to floor a twin turbo 3.0.??? those tires would be doing 110mph in a second ford did the right thing to protect it from exploding. with that being said im glad you did this review thanks
4lo was what we were going to do after 4hi, but with the power cuts that redirected our focus. We contacted Ford PR with full details about our process and conditions (before finishing on day 1 of filming) and they seemed surprised it would cut like that, raising the idea we should have the truck checked. We sent the video of the truck sliding for Ford’s input that night and they had no issues with our approach, and still were surprised it was cutting power - again requesting us to have the truck checked, which we did. The return the next day was to check if the error was repeatable. So we drove in a manner we thought might trigger the same issue, which we were successful in doing, proving it wasn’t a one-off issue. This was all in the video. (Though we didn’t mention that we had planned to move on to 4lo if 4hi failed to get up the climb, but that is our standard format and probably wouldn’t be surprising to our regular viewers.)
I have an old Land Rover Discovery 2 with Detroit trutracs front and rear and when I go do any kind of off-roading it lives in 4LO. There's a reason there's a 2 speed transfer case available especially when climbing!
FYI, you are supposed to hold down the traction control button for a few moments and your dash will show advancetrac off or disabled. Just pushing the button only reduces the amount of traction control. You need to hold down the button to completely disable it. Putting the truck into 4 low should that for you automatically if it's the same as the Bronco which I have.
Just came from a trip to a mountain pass yesterday, in similar conditions. I have the previous Ranger Raptor (2019) 2.0 bi-turbo diesel. And as fun as Baja mode is, it doesn't help you in the snow at all. I managed to get to the top of the pass using 4L in 1st gear, slow and steady, hardcore ready :) that is my motto. I was running 2 years old BFGoodrich KO2s deflated to 1.5 bar. The Raptor is an awesome machine I love it! Drive safe everyone!
I 100% agree with you on this situation. My F150 has put me in similar situations. Ford has limited a very capable truck due to the lack of research in snow with an incline. With advanced trac off, there should be no power limits what so ever. I bleed blue, but this issue hits home.
In conditions like he had -- snow that's not too deep and that packs to ice -- chains likely would have helped. But when the snow gets deeper, chains usually become a hindrance. Chains are really good at digging through snow and ice. In deep snow, this means they are really good at digging holes. Digging deep holes leaves the tires dangling and the vehicle high centered.-- not desirable. I carry chains for all 4 wheels, but almost never use them when snow-wheeling. Chains are excellent for use on icy roads or when the snow is not too deep (less than 6 to 10 inches), but in deep snow (2, 3, 4 feet or more) they are rarely helpful.
This is the 4th video I have seen where a Ford Ranger 4x4 system has had problems. A few years ago, driving sports TV couldn’t get a Ranger up a dusty hill, 4Runner had no problem, Fast Lane Trucks did a test where they put all the midsized off-road trucks on rollers and the Ranger did the worst, Texas truck channel did their little ledge test and the Ranger had a hard time (they blamed the tires), I’m really starting to to think the Rangers 4x4 system is the worst out of the 4x4 club when it comes to slippery conditions. I’m pretty sure I’d buy an SR5 Tacoma over an FX4 Ranger
I'm thinking that more of a rock crawl, maybe even 4 lo with front and rear lockers would do better than Baja mode for what he was trying to do. Running hard through sand and dirt roads, aka "Baja," is asking a lot different from the vehicle than going up a slippery, snow covered trail, no?
@rocsteadyification I think everyone is asking that same question. I'm not sure why he was using Baja mode when in the snow? I can see trying all the modes to see how it does, but to not to try the lockers and put it in LO with traction control off?
There is quite a few comments here from presumably experienced 4 wheelers that are questionning why you are not using 4 lows. Is there a reluctance to it M. Ryan? I don't profess to know anything about 4 wheeling if anything at all. On the other hand I spent 13 years of my life working in reforestation on the Coastal regions of Brithish Columbia. I have been on all types of logging roads in my days. Some deactivetad, over grown etc. Back in 1995 there was a guy driving a full size 2 wheel drive chevy crewcab. He got it stuck all the way down to the rear axel in soft, wet sand on a bit of a slope near a swamp in the Queen Charlottes Islands. (Now known as Haida Gwaii) I was driving a 4runner. I hooked the back of his truck to the front of mine with a rope. I put it in 4 lows, let the clutch go and much to my surprise it pulled that chevy out off there with out me ever touching the throttle...
You have to hold the traction control button to cut it off completely.. The truck wasn't the problem and thats why it has 4 low. You held it down like you were in a water pit at the drag strip. How much traction did you think you would get doing that. That doesn't work in snow. Sand and rock yes sometimes but still not wide open. The truck was protecting itself from you. The last hill you attempted if you had locked both diffs and completely disabled the t.c it would have climbed it easily. Way more truck than driver this time but that's how you learn. Next time you will be better prepared and air down the dang tire's in snow.
Electronics are helpful some times off road but can be to complex and get confused, but simple diff locks and low range like a G400 is the best option.
I was dealing with similar issues with my Power wagon. Pull the ABS pump fuse. This eliminates traction control completely. Pushing the button alone doesn't completely shut it off. It will be full on Dukes of Hazzard mode after that! I eventually put it on a switch so I could shut it off at will.
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Yikes. Okay that was a bit meh! Thought it would have performed a lot better. Get that crosstrek wilderness up there. I’d like to see that. Great real time test unlike other UA-cam channels
The 10R60 is known for weird behavior, but free-wheeling backwards down a hill takes the cake. 😂 It's almost like the torque converter unlocked when the T/C neutered your throttle. Glad your wallet survived this little quirk unscathed. Great stuff though. Thanks for sending it!
there was a video few years back from a Ukrainian channel with new Defender where similar thing happened in mud on a hill. it was bad, they almost went off the hill, sliding for like 30 feet. it was software fix and the channel had to sign an NDA. cant find the video right now
Thanks for posting Ryan. Any intentions of testing your Toyota LC on the hill under snowy conditions? I'm quite interested to see its performance in the snow, as there seems to be a lack of content showcasing the new LC in such an environment. It would be great if you could lead the way in demonstrating its capabilities. Thank you!
How were these conditions were compared to when you took the crosstrek up there? Looks a bit more slushy on the bottom. Really surprised there isn't a dedicated snow mode on the raptor
Call someone with any vehicle made before the electronic crap that has full locking capability, and watch it work. The electronics work good on the road, and if there are no lockers. But they get in the way of a full locked setup with a person who knows how to drive behind the wheel, even with the same tires. Traction is provided by the surface-tire interface. Electronics cannot provide more traction than a physically locked vehicle on the same tires. In the same way that HDC cannot provide more braking potential. There is a reason that the offroad community clings to the simple stuff. You just can't be a hamfist and still survive without the electronic nannies saving you. Between the Samurai, the ZJ, and the JK, me and my friends have done this shit. Modern crap just gets in the way most of the time.
@mikebromelow8514 unfamiliar with vehicle and how traction aid systems work in his veh. Every time he changed mode it re- engaged. This is laughable. Not sure on the Ranger but it most likely re- engaged it also when changing from 4x4 auto to 4H.
The problem isn’t the vehicle, but the driver. I know you Subaru owners think you are gods but no vehicle can overcome the wrong tires and improper use. Even Subarus. In similar snow depth and equally poor driven intervention gets the same results. Having real lockers beats your Nintendo Subaru modes everyday when the driver knows how to use them. Those skills predate “driving modes” by half a century or more.
If this ever happens to anyone, take vehicle out of 4wd, lock rear locker, press gas and let vehicles rear slide naturally down hill to help you turn around. 👍
That is the worst type snow to play or drive in. Wet and packs together then slicks off. Literally nothing is going to get around in that except tracks. The best kind of snow is the dry fluffy stuff. Easy to drive in and has good friction on itself which is where the key is to getting around in snow. Snow friction on itself is also how snow tires work. They hold snow and use it to grip the surrounding snow.
Testing a vehicle in snow with summer tires.... only in the US. It would do a BIG difference with real dedicated winter tires. (Yes I know the KO3's has the Snowflake marking but NO its still not a real dedicated winter tire. Here in Norway they are sold as summer tires and marked with "Not suitable for winter driving in Nordic countries"..... as we can see in the video)
I’m just gonna say it, for $20k less the Outback Wilderness looks a lot less fussy and more confidence inspiring in the snow. But this isn’t really the Raptor’s strong suit 😅
Great vid! That truck got put through its paces! Glad you didn't get too crossed up, was worried about how you'd get recovered. Looking forward to the next snow adventure.
This is very interesting to me since I just bought a 2024 Ranger (the normal one, not Raptor), with 2.7 V6. It would be fun to have a course like yours available to "play in" !!
Great video Ryan! I appreciate the tenacity taking the truck back for a second attempt! I can’t believe some of the hills you were attempting 😂 A couple of times it sounded like the truck was just working its way up into too high of a gear and then bog down and cut power. I wonder if 4lo would have been worth a try. Obviously less wheel spin but would be interesting to see if there was the same intervention in 4lo. Great work!!
My Audi a6 Quattro would make up that hill real easy lol Just because it never cuts power and let you redline it spinning all wheels at extended periods of time
Wow Ryan, that was exhausting and unnerving at times to watch. I admire your courage, tenacity and willingness to push vehicles to and sometimes beyond their limits. But how else can you learn anything? I think this video was very informative. I would have liked to have seen more time in four low with locked differentials because I think it may have performed better. Keep pushing the envelope my friend, these videos are the best!!
Mud/sand that was painful to watch you try every mode except for the correct one. You should go to ford performance off-road driving school! Baja mode????? 😂
I had one with an old camper and towed my my series 3 LR with 34's every where, upgraded to F550 Dually crew cab with an Artic Fox and trailer to tow my 6 land Rovers ( one at a time ), good tow vehicle and 4wd, but bad overhangs, unless you chop the bed off. Retired now.
New offroaders all cut power like that in the name of parts preservation. These manufacturers have all added so much power without upgrading axle sizes, U-Joint sizes, etc. they needed a way to preserve drivetrain without the added cost of improved components. A little beep booping on the laptop and voila...we claim you have 450 plus horsepower, you just can't use it.
The problem is that he has NO idea what he's doing!!! He needs to put it in 4 LOW, which automatically turns off the traction control and will give him more torque with less spinning the tires creating ice...
In September I bought a 2006 Subaru Forester auto non turbo for $500. It had 335,000 miles on it. It had some issues and the guy I bought it from was about to junk it. The issue was a crankshaft pulley that had seperated and it hit the radiator. New pulley, new radiator and been running fine. New front rotors and pads, rear shocks and a used set of wheels with Michelin X Snow/Ice tires. So far I am about $1500 in and its snowed here about 3 times. Haven't gotten stuck yet. If I put it in a ditch who cares. It will add to the character it already has.
Im an instrumetation tech and prototype vehicle mechanic for Roush/Ford. I own a 2007 Explorer v8 lifted on 33's, and highly modified 500awhp taurus 2010 SHO and a 2023 Bronco Sasquatch.
Most Ford vehicles will only allow full advancetrac OFF below 25mph. It will not be full off at speeds above 25mph. So if the vehicles front wheels start to slide laterally over 25mph (its very sensitive to the front wheels sliding laterally), it will cut power.
The steering wheel angle, throttle position and vehicle yaw (lateral acceleration) are constantly being compared to determine if the vehicle is sliding or if its tracking the drivers intended path.
The vehicle will also cut power to save drive train components such as during a gear shift to reduce slippage of the clutch plates in the transmission during a shift. Especially with the 10speeds.
If there is too much slippage in the transfercase clutches for too long, it will flully lock them, or cut power if the excess clutch slip continues. I experienced this in my explorer at the sand dunes. Clutches in my tcase were worn out.
Sand and mud/ruts modes are more lenient in these type deep conditions and those modes hold gears longer to allow more wheel speed, engine rpm and are less apt to upshift to prevent forward moment loss during the shift. This strategy is also easier on the engine and transmission in these deep situations.
4low offers similar benefits as far as maintaining wheelspeed/wheel tq and reducing stress on the engine/trans.
Also, the ranger is light in the rear. This will place a higher demand on traction of the front wheels making front wheel slippage and sliding more likely. 13-16psi is the sweet spot for me in my bronco on 35's and explorer on 33's at the sand dunes and in deep snow.
Ford also could end up revising the traction programming in the future.
Great videos and i love the snow tests!
Well said I also think the bfs k3 are a horrible snow tire if he slapped on a set of blizzaks it would be a diff story
It really sucks to know that even trucks are being built so that there is no optional mode where it just does what you ask it to do. Throttle should mean throttle, not throttle by software committee. It's also bullshit that you won't show crucial status items in the UI, like detection of slip overriding driver input, or transmission status overriding driver input. Its like the lawyers said "drivers can't complain about what they don't know, make sure the system doesn't tell them too much".
I'll just keep my DANA'S
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I’m really surprised that Ford and GM have not reverse engineered Toyota’s ATRAC and Crawl Control off road traction control software programs.
The drone is the real performer in that weather 👍🏻
Who else was yelling, “put it in 4LO”. No intervention from the Nannie’s and better control. I use 4LO in the snow often. Especially for going down steep mountain roads. That way I’m not touching the brakes. Sorry, nothing wrong with the truck, it was driver error. We can tell you come from Subaru land. Use that 4LO gearing anytime you’re climbing anything.
The more I watch this guy the more I think he doesnt have a clue how to off-road.
@@pl5861he is not good
@@pl5861 right, he's a great guy we love him.. but dude could use some wheelin lessons
4 LO and both lockers, or your not really trying.
Completely agree, he doesn’t know what he’s doing. He’s talking like he knows what he’s doing, but just someone that has watched 4 wheelin’ rather than practical experience with real trucks. Lock all front and back, 4Lo for any climbing. 4Lo is literally for this scenario,.
If you're getting traction control warnings, you didn't turn off traction control. You need to press AND hold it to fully turn it off. Just pressing the button does not fully disengage the system. Or you know, put it in 4LO like it probably should have been and traction control is totally off by default.
The fix is obvious.......the Raptor needs more buttons to push on the inside and more badges on the outside. Perhaps a 10 foot Raptor flag would help also.
Buttons? Whaa? This is not the eighteenth century anymore grandpa! It needs just one big screen for a entire panel, with a digital steering wheel also, so you can drive with your fingers like in a mobile games!
@@everdarknesswhat would really help it out is if it has a separate touch screen just to turn on the head lights
@@everdarknessyup 1 big screen i can fumble through to find what i need while driving
Good one😂😂😂, Keep it simple, and just make a reliable vehicle.
Weight in the back would be the fix
When you reset to Baja mode, it resets your traction control, so you need to manually go in and turn it off again, and then also turn off advancetrac. Otherwise it will cut power like you are experiencing. Happened to me in my Bronco on a sandy hill climb in front of a bunch of friends and it was pretty embarrassing lol 😂 edit: this is the exact issue you are having at 30:50
Agreed, every time you change modes/selections, the truck resets. You would need to do the long hold to disable the babysitters anytime you change options.
1 short press for traction control. And the 10 second hold for advacetrac there after
Why use "modes" like that anyway? Just put it in 4 low with traction control fully off, air the tires down and use the lockers as intended. This guy doesn't know much about off-roading, and I think this highly capable vehicle would have fared better with a more experienced driver.
@mond000 You're being very nice to this putz, ahh.. I mean, "person."
This is a total amateur at driving in these conditions who doesn’t understand how this truck works.
Love the snow content. Keep it coming!
As a Scandinavian used to driving in winter conditions, watching this clip with a driver who obviously have no experience in driving in winter conditions and the automatic modes in this vehicle not aiding at all! An Audi quattro with a manual gearbox and no auto modes, equipped with nordic winter tires would drive circles around this tested vehicle!
Agree completely. Canadian winter driving 101 - Don’t spin your tyres. The grooves in tyres are design to imprint the snow and grab what it can to ensure traction. When you spin your tires, you don’t give sipes or grooves and tires to form to the surface to aid in traction. One of the first things learned in winter driving school up here in Canada eh! Gain momentum and avoid spin. Keep your RpM needle from blasting off. 4 low would limit slip for sure 👍
As a Scandinavian you would also know to put it in 4lo and equip it with tires designed for extreme conditions. Its not the truck. Its the driver.
A Subaru with good winter tires would also drive circles around this truck. I'm Canadian and we get some pretty crazy winters and winter storms. I've driven my Impreza with Michelin (X-ice snow winter tires) in a foot or so of snow and in snow storms it literally just plowed through it never lost grip never spun out or got stuck , just blasted through the snow like it didn't exist. These modes companies add don't really help much from what I can tell and the only thing that actually works is a simple well designed full time AWD system like Subarus symmetrical AWD and Audi's quattro system especially the older quattro AWD , add good winter tires and they're basically mountain goats grip for days and zero issues. I've seen so many cars with reactive AWD systems spin out and get stuck in heavy snow I've also seen many trucks get stuck in the snow as well , hell I've even seen jeeps get stuck in a winter storm. The issue in my opinion is partially the drive and partially poorly designed cars and shitty driving modes that clearly do not help at all, and fake AWD
It’s good to know Scandinavia also has dumb asses.
I’m going to use this video to teach my son on all the things not to do!
Love your tenacity to really test the truck and dive into issues. Awesome work there.
Really? It was the worst test he did IMHO, using 4H and Baja mode in the snow 😅 ... "3 easy steps to bog your truck in the snow" that should've been the title.
I think you should have tried low range. In my 2015 Tundra I get more throttle freedom and the hills are steep enough on your test course it would have taken some stress off of your transmission.
100%
That much snow definitely calls for low range. This is exactly where you should use low range.
As a self-proclaimed snow wheeler in central Oregon, I was cringing the whole time I saw 4hi and a foot to the floor. I get that you were trying to cause the failure again, but the only reason you seemed to be getting anywhere is because the tires were digging down to the dirt. *Hypothetically* if you’d have been in deep snow, you’d get beached on the frame/diff/plates immediately and it’d be chore do get unstuck by yourself (ask me how I know 😂). Additionally, most 4lo systems disable powercut and/or brake traction aids, so it may be worth trying that out on the next go around.
Agree'd. Air way the hell down and just let the tires pull through. Spinning like this never got me anywhere when I was snow-wheeling.
This is what happens when you have a computer managing everything.
totally agree i just want a truck not something that the computer controls. don't they trust are judgement.
@@billb3565I know! He needs to put some throttle into it and stop using the computer.
Or a driver who doesn't understand what 4lo is. smh
I can’t understand why you’re in baja mode and trying to navigate steep snowy hills???
This is exactly why I have kept my 2004 Rubicon that I bought new over 20 years ago. I hate computer control, just give me the lockers and manual throttle and I will take it from there... Happy new year!!
Yeah I have zero issues in my 2020 Gladiator Rubicon in 4 hi or low with traction control off in the snow. I pulled a new Tacoma Trd Pro all over a local off road trail last year because the electrical nannies kept him from getting off of the trail and he wouldn't listen too me about how to drive or what settings to use.I have zero drive modes other than off road + and have yet to even look up whats it for because I wheel like I am in an old vehicle
Can’t you turn the computer systems off in this though? I think this truck just sucks tbh
@@wes3527supposedly off road+ turns off traction control in 4hi. I’m pretty sure it allows you to lock the rear diff in 4hi too.
Dude! He could have simply put it in 4lo, which turns off all computer assistance, and used the locker but he decided to put it in Baja mode designed for sand and gun it up a fairly steep incline in 2 feet of snow. I mean why did he not use 4lo??? That's what you would have done in those conditions.
@ I never really thought he knew much about off roading. He talks the talk, but the doesn’t walk the walk.
18:37 you say “and the truck starts rolling back… with my foot on the throttle”. If you zoom in and watch the brake lights, they come on BEFORE you start rolling back. Its almost like you were accelerating and moving forwards then you intentionally hit the brake pedal THEN it rolled back.
Basically in the whole video he tried to make the raptor look like it performs very bad in snow
While in the dunes, my Ranger Raptor lost power several times. I noticed that when I got a lot of wheel spin the transmission would shift to 7th or 8th gear. I switched to the paddles and never had that problem again.
I'm only 5 minutes in and I'm already screaming "Put it in 4 LOW and air down your tires dummy!!!" Good Lord, he's hard to watch sometimes...🙄
canadian pipeliner here. air up and 4 high.
in snow with gravel underneath, taller skinnier tires will dig better down to grip because more contact patch pressure. air down is for sand float, or rock grip.
on snow you end up just making less psi onto the slipping surface spinning creates. think, crazy carpet.
lest contact patch with same weight = more psi on the ground = more dig & bite.
4 low is torquier and will break grip easier.
4 high is better because you want to ride the line of available friction without going over and breaking loose. so you just manage the throttle more delicately to keep wheel speed down and not slipping in the dubious sections (you want to essentially bog down) and jam on her to dig for dirt (ecc off) where you have room and a clean exit.
airing down can get you a bit of terrain-hugging and there's a fine-line benefit to be had but depends what's under the snow.
@pubfixture I definitely agree with you on having taller skinny tires. 12.5" wide tires are horrible in certain situations as the video shows. The reason why I think he needed to air down is that he's on uneven terrain with a tendency to dig himself divots. Having the tires able to mold around those should help in this specific situation.
I disagree with you on the use of 4 high vs 4 low. He kept using waaaay too much wheel speed while not moving forward which is going to strain the transmission needlessly. I drive my Bronco up crazy steep snowy hills in 4 low and don't spin my tires excessively. You have better control over wheel speed in 4 low. Smooth and steady throttle input combined with momentum and you have a winning combination.
The truck has limitations due to the light rear end so it's never going to excel on Hills like he's trying to get up.
@@mikebromelow8514 tru. Its always "to the conditions"
Would like to see what Ford says about the power cut. As a person who drives a lot in the snow during the winter I too am a fan of using power vs braking in a slide situation. If that power isn't there or unpredictable things can go bad fast.
My 2014 F150 Ecoboost was insane with the traction control, especially in 4Auto. I live in a neighborhood that sits on a state route and so I have to pull out into traffic sometimes. There was a few times where the TC kicked in pulling out in the snow and just shuts the truck down in the middle on the road.
It was so bad that I actually went into the tuning with HPTuners and reduced the amount of power that it would cut when the TC activated. Instead of cutting 75% power or whatever it did stock, it would only cut 25%, but would still be trying to use the brakes to control wheel spin. This let me power through those situations while the brakes still tried to keep spin down and let me get up to speed.
That said, it wasnt just cutting power like this was, but I also didnt drive it in the snow like a savage like this.
Been interested in seeing 4low with lockers actuated instead of repeating 4 high nogo's.
😂 **puts truck in mode meant for 45+mph speeds in the desert**
**proceeds to drive truck in the snow, at slow speeds**
“Ah come on! Why ya boggin there!?”
SMH 🤦🏼♂️
Exactly, it's all for "show", only it's a bad show 😢 this guy used to deliver better content...
If you don't try LO with both lockers, then you are not really trying. LO usually has a little extra traction. I guess you just wanted the extra Baha mode sound. All of the Electronic Nannies are ridiculous, especially if you can't turn them completely OFF. The 4A clutch in the transfer case is for soccer moms/grandmothers.
This guy thought it was a good idea to put the truck into Baja mode with deep snow lmao. Ryan is a reviewer who makes good looking videos, but he is not an off roader (see what he did to his 4Runner a few years ago). He does the exact opposite of what you should do for these conditions - consistently.
4 low and everything locked is the only way to go. Also, I don't understand why baja mode would even be an option in this situation.
The problem is not using low range......if you are bogging you need low range
Seems like you’re turning off traction control but then hitting a different drive mode and it likely turns traction control back on. Try putting it in whatever more you want and then turn off traction control last. See if that makes a difference.
The other thing I’d say is to put it in manual mode and keep it in 1 gear vs letting it change gears and lose power.
We had issues on slippery hills where we were spinning the tires and the vehicles upshifted causing a loss of power and causing the traction control to get more aggressive. Now we hold the vehicle in either 2nd or 3rd depending on how much momentum and wheel spin we need to get up the hill.
Thats why the Nissan Titan Pro-4x is the best truck for snow wheeling. You can actually lock it into a gear and it actually holds
What happened was the driver
😂😂😂
@@JT4BRE 100%
There was a lot of throttle being used. I found almost no situations when snow wheeling where wheel spin was beneficial. Or if it was, just barely a little spin.
@Jay-me7gw He's got no idea what he's doing is the problem.
He drives like someone who’s never seen snow before.
Yes, that truck would fight the snow so easy , but the piece behind the stering wheel don t know how to drive 😂
Can you show how far a Subaru Outback Wildnerness can go up the same trails with snow?
With KO3's.
Subaru Outback would have made this child’s toy look even worse. Solution, don’t use a child’s toy for a man’s adventure.
Audi Quatro!
@@thelawrence71 Fiat 500 FWD would've crushed the subaru
I know snow traction can vary wildly depending on conditions and that's why I'm not a fan of high speed spinning of wheels. I always try to not spin at all. For this reason I always lock diffs. I don't like spinning because it warms up the tires that melts the snow and forms ice on the ground. I like to use 4 Low and just keep bumping in the snow sometimes just using momentum (no power) and let it stop when it wants. If you lay down good track of packed snow you'll be surprised what it will do when it doesn't have to cut the tracks. Once your tires are smoking you're done. You won't have any traction because there will be water between the tire and the snow. I don't care too much for the snow peak rating. They are NOT substitutes for a winter tire. They are only marginally better than an ordinary AT tire. Remember the steam rising from your tires (and probably brakes). The rubber rating is not a factor when they are that warm. I'm not saying you would have made it up those hills, but you might have made it a little further. Always lock everything you can. Sometimes you need 4 tires pulling to move, If you're not fully locked, the minute one tire looses traction then the other side starts spinning and you will stop forward motion. That's the problem with traction controls. If you brake one spinning tire, the corresponding tire will spin up twice as fast when it looses traction. Keep everything locked in deep stuff. You're in 4 Low so falling off the road is not as much of a concern since you going a lot slower.
I would suggest using lockers ONLY when needed on Hills because often times, your vehicle will crab walk or move to one side unexpectedly in slippery conditions. Especially on an off camber hill climb. I drive a 2 door Bronco with the Sasquatch package and I off road in snow quite a bit.
I'm going to guess (obviously I could be wrong) that you live in a colder, flatter location. I agree spinning can often make the surface more slippery, but here in Washington State the temperature of the snow is often right at freezing -- the snow is already wet, no spinning required. For example, I went driving up into the mountains yesterday. When I drove back out, the ruts I made in the snow when driving in had water flowing down them like ditches.
Second, we have twisty roads. If you are 4-locked, then in every turn you are forcing the tires to slip. Also, side-slops are very common on our mountain roads. Being 4-locked makes it more likely that you will slide sideways -- possibly over the edge -- if you do break traction. A curve with a side-slope (a banked corner -- something that is common on our dirt roads) can be harder to navigate if you are 4-locked -- the turn forces the tires to slip, and the side slope then causes the vehicle to slide sideways. Even if the twists and turns can be negotiated with the differentials locked, having the front locked increases the steering effort so much that it feels like I'm punishing my rig for no reason. For these reasons, I only lock my front locker when I really need it.
Finally, if the weight is evenly distributed left-to-right on your tires (that is if the surface you are driving on doesn't have big holes, bumps, etc), then locking the differentials usually only makes a small improvement in traction. I would estimate that locking my front differential usually increases my tractive force less than 10% (on even surfaces). I agree with Ryan, sometimes the risk of sliding sideways can outweigh the benefit of the increased traction.
Way too much throttle. Put it in manual shift mode, 4 low, both lockers locked. Snow traction requires snow on snow contact. That means your treads need to have snow compacted into them so that you get the snow on snow contact. Spinning the wheels throws the snow out of the tire treads. Love most of your videos but you need to rethink your snow driving technique.
@torbinnorsky4777 He's brutal to watch because he literally does the opposite of what you should! LoL
@@torbinnorsky4777 Snow comes in a huge variety of conditions. Having helped recover hundreds of vehicles over the years, I agree that too much throttle and spinning is often what gets people stuck. However, there are occasions where a lot of spinning is helpful -- for example in not-too-deep snow where the tires can dig to the ground underneath. He MIGHT have had conditions where spinning was the best approach.
Notice there is a lot of dirt showing in his tracks. At 13:12 you can even see some dirt as well as snow being thrown by the tires. The tires are, at times, cutting through the snow. Under these conditions, spinning to reach the dirt might be the best answer. Without being there, it's impossible to know. Maybe 5 years ago met Ryan in person when I was snow-wheeling. He is a well above average driver in the snow. Without being there in person, I wouldn't second-guess his approach.
Low range and lockers. Forget the ridiculous drive modes. 4 auto, for me, is only used on snow covered pavement. Offroad with snow is always 4 high or 4 low.
The other thing is when the wheels are spinning and the transmission upshifts, the wheels basically stop and losing all momentum. Manual shifting might be a good idea in this case keeping the gears locked in.
You being to afraid to put the lockers on and 4 low is really lame. I’ve lived in snow my whole life. You’re over thinking it.
why would you not try it in 4LO and lock the front and rear???????????????????????? I mean a hill climb and you want to floor a twin turbo 3.0.??? those tires would be doing 110mph in a second ford did the right thing to protect it from exploding. with that being said im glad you did this review thanks
4lo was what we were going to do after 4hi, but with the power cuts that redirected our focus. We contacted Ford PR with full details about our process and conditions (before finishing on day 1 of filming) and they seemed surprised it would cut like that, raising the idea we should have the truck checked. We sent the video of the truck sliding for Ford’s input that night and they had no issues with our approach, and still were surprised it was cutting power - again requesting us to have the truck checked, which we did. The return the next day was to check if the error was repeatable. So we drove in a manner we thought might trigger the same issue, which we were successful in doing, proving it wasn’t a one-off issue. This was all in the video. (Though we didn’t mention that we had planned to move on to 4lo if 4hi failed to get up the climb, but that is our standard format and probably wouldn’t be surprising to our regular viewers.)
Egggggactly
I have an old Land Rover Discovery 2 with Detroit trutracs front and rear and when I go do any kind of off-roading it lives in 4LO. There's a reason there's a 2 speed transfer case available especially when climbing!
It would be nice to see how Chevy Colorado ZR2 would do in these conditions
I’ve driven in similar conditions in my ‘24 zr2 a few weeks ago. I had zero issues and it didn’t throw a fit like this raptor is😂
it would perform the same if this guy is driving it, everything in this video is driver error, not vehicle error.
FYI, you are supposed to hold down the traction control button for a few moments and your dash will show advancetrac off or disabled. Just pushing the button only reduces the amount of traction control. You need to hold down the button to completely disable it. Putting the truck into 4 low should that for you automatically if it's the same as the Bronco which I have.
Just came from a trip to a mountain pass yesterday, in similar conditions. I have the previous Ranger Raptor (2019) 2.0 bi-turbo diesel. And as fun as Baja mode is, it doesn't help you in the snow at all. I managed to get to the top of the pass using 4L in 1st gear, slow and steady, hardcore ready :) that is my motto. I was running 2 years old BFGoodrich KO2s deflated to 1.5 bar. The Raptor is an awesome machine I love it! Drive safe everyone!
I 100% agree with you on this situation. My F150 has put me in similar situations. Ford has limited a very capable truck due to the lack of research in snow with an incline. With advanced trac off, there should be no power limits what so ever. I bleed blue, but this issue hits home.
When it comes to snow it's Always about the tires... ALWAYS about the tires! Wrong tires and doesn't matter if you have RWD, FWD, AWD or 4WD.
OMG! I think we have found TFL Roman's
Doppelganger. His skill set is in line with Romans'.
As a Southern Cal resident, going to the mountains for snow fun, one brings chains
In conditions like he had -- snow that's not too deep and that packs to ice -- chains likely would have helped. But when the snow gets deeper, chains usually become a hindrance. Chains are really good at digging through snow and ice. In deep snow, this means they are really good at digging holes. Digging deep holes leaves the tires dangling and the vehicle high centered.-- not desirable. I carry chains for all 4 wheels, but almost never use them when snow-wheeling. Chains are excellent for use on icy roads or when the snow is not too deep (less than 6 to 10 inches), but in deep snow (2, 3, 4 feet or more) they are rarely helpful.
I brought chains but it was easier to air my 37's down to 6 psi and float🤣
If you are not going to be going over 30 miles an hour ( put it in low range) and shut off all the nanny’s.!
Should do it with the RHO.
Lock front axel next time.
4L would prevent the throttle cut.
This is the 4th video I have seen where a Ford Ranger 4x4 system has had problems. A few years ago, driving sports TV couldn’t get a Ranger up a dusty hill, 4Runner had no problem, Fast Lane Trucks did a test where they put all the midsized off-road trucks on rollers and the Ranger did the worst, Texas truck channel did their little ledge test and the Ranger had a hard time (they blamed the tires), I’m really starting to to think the Rangers 4x4 system is the worst out of the 4x4 club when it comes to slippery conditions. I’m pretty sure I’d buy an SR5 Tacoma over an FX4 Ranger
I'm thinking that more of a rock crawl, maybe even 4 lo with front and rear lockers would do better than Baja mode for what he was trying to do. Running hard through sand and dirt roads, aka "Baja," is asking a lot different from the vehicle than going up a slippery, snow covered trail, no?
@rocsteadyification I think everyone is asking that same question. I'm not sure why he was using Baja mode when in the snow? I can see trying all the modes to see how it does, but to not to try the lockers and put it in LO with traction control off?
There is quite a few comments here from presumably experienced 4 wheelers that are questionning why you are not using 4 lows. Is there a reluctance to it M. Ryan? I don't profess to know anything about 4 wheeling if anything at all. On the other hand I spent 13 years of my life working in reforestation on the Coastal regions of Brithish Columbia. I have been on all types of logging roads in my days. Some deactivetad, over grown etc. Back in 1995 there was a guy driving a full size 2 wheel drive chevy crewcab. He got it stuck all the way down to the rear axel in soft, wet sand on a bit of a slope near a swamp in the Queen Charlottes Islands. (Now known as Haida Gwaii) I was driving a 4runner. I hooked the back of his truck to the front of mine with a rope. I put it in 4 lows, let the clutch go and much to my surprise it pulled that chevy out off there with out me ever touching the throttle...
You have to hold the traction control button to cut it off completely.. The truck wasn't the problem and thats why it has 4 low. You held it down like you were in a water pit at the drag strip. How much traction did you think you would get doing that. That doesn't work in snow. Sand and rock yes sometimes but still not wide open. The truck was protecting itself from you. The last hill you attempted if you had locked both diffs and completely disabled the t.c it would have climbed it easily. Way more truck than driver this time but that's how you learn. Next time you will be better prepared and air down the dang tire's in snow.
Without watching I'm going to say No, not really, KO3's are not snow tires, you're gonna struggle.
In the midwest we put weight in our truck beds to improve traction in the winter.
Electronics are helpful some times off road but can be to complex and get confused, but simple diff locks and low range like a G400 is the best option.
I was dealing with similar issues with my Power wagon.
Pull the ABS pump fuse. This eliminates traction control completely. Pushing the button alone doesn't completely shut it off.
It will be full on Dukes of Hazzard mode after that! I eventually put it on a switch so I could shut it off at will.
lmao
Like all the bots in the comment section say, thank you for all you do! Love every video you make and have helped make choices when considering or buying new vehicles!
@@DorDor400 at least the bots say nice things. 😂 🤖
iam not into 4wheeling but whynot lock both axels and use 4low
Your work is appreciated by this viewer......and has been ! Thank you for providing all of us with entertainment that we can enjoy without cost no less... Happy New Years Ryan...
Yikes. Okay that was a bit meh! Thought it would have performed a lot better. Get that crosstrek wilderness up there. I’d like to see that. Great real time test unlike other UA-cam channels
He’s running an AT tire with little to no weight in the bed, IDK what anyone would expect with that setup.
The 10R60 is known for weird behavior, but free-wheeling backwards down a hill takes the cake. 😂 It's almost like the torque converter unlocked when the T/C neutered your throttle. Glad your wallet survived this little quirk unscathed.
Great stuff though. Thanks for sending it!
there was a video few years back from a Ukrainian channel with new Defender where similar thing happened in mud on a hill. it was bad, they almost went off the hill, sliding for like 30 feet. it was software fix and the channel had to sign an NDA. cant find the video right now
I’m not sure if he really knows how to manage the Raptor!
Thanks for posting Ryan. Any intentions of testing your Toyota LC on the hill under snowy conditions? I'm quite interested to see its performance in the snow, as there seems to be a lack of content showcasing the new LC in such an environment. It would be great if you could lead the way in demonstrating its capabilities. Thank you!
Already did. That video drops next week.
Suggest 4x4 low, lockers activated on both front and rear differentials, traction control off tires @ 15lbs.
100% and maintain steady momentum
Snow tires would have fixed these issues instead of using the A/T’s.
When you’re in your own controlled environment for off-roading I personally believe you do the best out of everyone. So good!
I once owned a 2001 blazer 2 door 4x4 with 33 on it and it went anywhere
How were these conditions were compared to when you took the crosstrek up there? Looks a bit more slushy on the bottom.
Really surprised there isn't a dedicated snow mode on the raptor
It was about 30 degrees colder when I had the Crosstrek out.
@@drivingsports yeah that will make a big difference!
Call someone with any vehicle made before the electronic crap that has full locking capability, and watch it work.
The electronics work good on the road, and if there are no lockers.
But they get in the way of a full locked setup with a person who knows how to drive behind the wheel, even with the same tires.
Traction is provided by the surface-tire interface.
Electronics cannot provide more traction than a physically locked vehicle on the same tires.
In the same way that HDC cannot provide more braking potential.
There is a reason that the offroad community clings to the simple stuff.
You just can't be a hamfist and still survive without the electronic nannies saving you.
Between the Samurai, the ZJ, and the JK, me and my friends have done this shit.
Modern crap just gets in the way most of the time.
I kept screaming the whole video to put it in 4Low and turn the lockers on. THE TRUCK ISNT A SUBARU GEEZ.
4 low and it will turn off all traction control thst will cause power loss in 4 high
THIS!!! Why the hell did he try to climb a snowy hill like that in 4 high??? 🤔
@mikebromelow8514 unfamiliar with vehicle and how traction aid systems work in his veh. Every time he changed mode it re- engaged. This is laughable. Not sure on the Ranger but it most likely re- engaged it also when changing from 4x4 auto to 4H.
Absolutely usless
i would rather control my truck then have a computer tell me what to do. but i do like the truck. good test.
2:44 *I wanna kinda have some fun.*
Yea we can see that inner child since the beginning of this video 😂
Something like that would kill a truck for me.
Bring the Land Cruiser to test it on this weather conditions.
It's all about tires. Traction control, lockers, and all that. . . Useless without some good tires and proper air pressure.
Put that thing in 4 Lo! Its probably hitting torque limiters in the transmission to protect it from imploding.
What a piece of crap in the snow .. I seen subarus 2004 performing better than that and not 57000 grand
The problem isn’t the vehicle, but the driver. I know you Subaru owners think you are gods but no vehicle can overcome the wrong tires and improper use. Even Subarus. In similar snow depth and equally poor driven intervention gets the same results.
Having real lockers beats your Nintendo Subaru modes everyday when the driver knows how to use them. Those skills predate “driving modes” by half a century or more.
If this ever happens to anyone, take vehicle out of 4wd, lock rear locker, press gas and let vehicles rear slide naturally down hill to help you turn around. 👍
Thank you for making this video.
What happened to the front locker, never used
And if you think you’re going to climb that from a dead stop you’re crazy .. 36 psi with no weight in the truck .. CMON MAN!!!!
You should have tried 4 low !!
FORD answer why it’s cutting power!!!
That is the worst type snow to play or drive in. Wet and packs together then slicks off. Literally nothing is going to get around in that except tracks. The best kind of snow is the dry fluffy stuff. Easy to drive in and has good friction on itself which is where the key is to getting around in snow. Snow friction on itself is also how snow tires work. They hold snow and use it to grip the surrounding snow.
Would be nice to see how chains will work, in which setting they serve the best ;)
Testing a vehicle in snow with summer tires.... only in the US. It would do a BIG difference with real dedicated winter tires.
(Yes I know the KO3's has the Snowflake marking but NO its still not a real dedicated winter tire. Here in Norway they are sold as summer tires and marked with "Not suitable for winter driving in Nordic countries"..... as we can see in the video)
I hope you had a lot of fun on this adventure! 😊👍👍
I’m just gonna say it, for $20k less the Outback Wilderness looks a lot less fussy and more confidence inspiring in the snow. But this isn’t really the Raptor’s strong suit 😅
But then you have to tell everyone you drive a Subaru Outback….
But you can't go around around other raptor owners and make raptor noises when you see each other.
But no one ever got laid driving a Subaru Outback
A Subaru out back wouldn't make it an inch up that hill.
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Great vid! That truck got put through its paces! Glad you didn't get too crossed up, was worried about how you'd get recovered. Looking forward to the next snow adventure.
This is very interesting to me since I just bought a 2024 Ranger (the normal one, not Raptor), with 2.7 V6. It would be fun to have a course like yours available to "play in" !!
Pack 8 x25kg sand bags in the back and: 🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤ be happy in snow
Or have your mates ride in the tub
Great video Ryan! I appreciate the tenacity taking the truck back for a second attempt! I can’t believe some of the hills you were attempting 😂 A couple of times it sounded like the truck was just working its way up into too high of a gear and then bog down and cut power. I wonder if 4lo would have been worth a try. Obviously less wheel spin but would be interesting to see if there was the same intervention in 4lo. Great work!!
My Audi a6 Quattro would make up that hill real easy lol
Just because it never cuts power and let you redline it spinning all wheels at extended periods of time
Wow Ryan, that was exhausting and unnerving at times to watch. I admire your courage, tenacity and willingness to push vehicles to and sometimes beyond their limits. But how else can you learn anything? I think this video was very informative. I would have liked to have seen more time in four low with locked differentials because I think it may have performed better. Keep pushing the envelope my friend, these videos are the best!!
Mud/sand that was painful to watch you try every mode except for the correct one. You should go to ford performance off-road driving school! Baja mode????? 😂
Do you guys have a older car testing channel I would love to see a Jeep TJ in a snow video like this
Nope. Just the one channel.
A direct comparison with a 1977 F-150 4x4 would be fun. 351 cubic inches and a 4 speed.
I had one with an old camper and towed my my series 3 LR with 34's every where, upgraded to F550 Dually crew cab with an Artic Fox and trailer to tow my 6 land Rovers ( one at a time ), good tow vehicle and 4wd, but bad overhangs, unless you chop the bed off. Retired now.
God that exaust note is unbearable!
New offroaders all cut power like that in the name of parts preservation. These manufacturers have all added so much power without upgrading axle sizes, U-Joint sizes, etc. they needed a way to preserve drivetrain without the added cost of improved components. A little beep booping on the laptop and voila...we claim you have 450 plus horsepower, you just can't use it.
The problem is that he has NO idea what he's doing!!! He needs to put it in 4 LOW, which automatically turns off the traction control and will give him more torque with less spinning the tires creating ice...
In September I bought a 2006 Subaru Forester auto non turbo for $500. It had 335,000 miles on it. It had some issues and the guy I bought it from was about to junk it. The issue was a crankshaft pulley that had seperated and it hit the radiator. New pulley, new radiator and been running fine. New front rotors and pads, rear shocks and a used set of wheels with Michelin X Snow/Ice tires. So far I am about $1500 in and its snowed here about 3 times. Haven't gotten stuck yet. If I put it in a ditch who cares. It will add to the character it already has.
I wonder if the gx550 would be different in the same snow?