Yes I turned it on at 8PM EST and I got bored with it when KC tied it up at 2 in the bottom of the 8th around 11 PM EST and turned it off. I check back two hours later and the final score is Yankee's win 8 to 6? WTF? neither team was hitting all game right up through the 8th.
@@chand911 no, it is a balk. It's one of the most obvious balks you can do lol you cannot step off while coming to the set position. That is a very basic rule of pitching. He can only step off while in that bent over position or after he has come set. As soon as he moves from that hunched position he has two options A) throw to a base or b) come to the set position. He steps off instead which is 100% a balk.
@@AD-df5tm he waant coming to set though... he stepped off while his knees where still partially bent as he was standing up because he isnt going to stay crouched the whole time and he was not reaching for the ball. How is he coming to set without bringing his hand to his glove at all?
doesn't it always seem like the ball is way ahead of where it should be, like the whole ordeal should be longer. Turns out a chunk of a second is skipped!
The delay is actually generally due to the graphics system that overlays the strike zone/pitch tracker. Anything like that (along with first down lines, virtual add insertion) takes a bit of time to process and so is a little bit behind. In some cases the video switcher will send a GPI to things like the audio board and it will bring in a few frames of audio delay so that the bat crack sound lines up, then automatically switches back once you go to one of the other cameras.
Here I am thinking every pitcher in the league has a lightning quick move to first, but no, the 3rd base side camera is just half a second ahead of the centerfield camera.. Didn't know that.
There’s no punishment in the MLB for doing it so why wouldn’t they? Most other places outside of North American professional baseball the minimum penalty for acting like this is two game suspension.
@@kenconnelly773 exactly, if you yell straight into the umpire's/referee's face for 2 minutes in any European sports you're deemed a disgrace, fined and suspended for several games. In baseball you just get to take an early shower and come back the next day
@@sanderappel4499 amateur women’s soccer match in the United States, a woman held my wrist to stop me from showing a red card (deliberate handball to stop a goal). League suspended her for the last four league games and a knockout cup competition.
As an Angels fan, at least you guys have a WS in the recent memory.. when the Angels actually made it to the postseason with Trout, you guys swept us.. ouch.
That’s actually quite fascinating to learn that about the camera timing. I’ve always felt there was something weird about watching the pickoff play in particular but I could never put my finger on what it was. But that’s it!!
@@BachBeethovenBerg I grew up in Mexico. I remember watching the Mets, the Twins and the Dodgers win the world series. But not going to an MLB game in person until an exibition game at Mile High with the Astros, before the Rockies existed.
Every pitcher has their own 'coming to set' motion before their delivery. In the video, watch how he comes set before delivering. He performs the same motion, hunched over and then up while touching/rubs his tight hip, however, he then steps off the back of the rubber. At 3:21 you can see his normal motion to delivery. This is why a balk was called. He starts down in the hunched over-look at home. In order for him to disengage from the rubber at this point in time, he would either have to step off while hunched over or come to a full set and then step off the rubber. Since this motion is the same every time to his set motion, in this case, he decided to step off the back of the rubber during this which looks exactly like his 'come to set' motion. The umpires had seen several pitches since his entry into the game to let them know exactly what his delivery is like and then could call a balk if necessary. Pitchers are creatures of habit.
10000% this. Started to come set and stepped off midway. I mentioned in my reply that even if he came up more abruptly and stepped off the umps likely dont call it since it deviates from his normal "coming to set" motion.
No. His set position is when he brings the glove up and his hand is in the glove. Watch the pickoff attempts. No balk. So, you can't say he balked if he never even came to the position he came to on the previous two pickoff attempts where no balk was called.
@@somecanadianguy8558 Sorry I didn't see your reply. You are correct in your assessment that if he was quicker with his motion that was closer to the end of his set position that the balk may not have been called. Have a good one.
@@smithzk You can balk without coming to a set position. See around the 2:05 minute mark in the video below. I balk is not constrained to a pickoff move. Even if he dropped the ball hunched over, or even just clearing some dirt to get ready, thats a balk. See Scott Oberg in the 2018 NLDS for that. If you have a normal tendency for every pitch, start it and deviate from it, you can be called for a balk. No matter where that tendency occurs.
@@somecanadianguy8558 I wasn't saying that the balk should be constrained to a pickoff move. I was saying that in the pickoff moves, he did the same motion up to the point where the balk was called. Then brought the glove up and brought his hand to the glove, then moved to first base. I'm not understanding what you're saying. If this is his normal move, then where did he deviate in this case? He stepped off the rubber before he got to the position where he made a move to first base previously. So, he could not be called for having started a move home and stopped in this case if he was already allowed to move to first in the previous cases.
"That's what I do".....so funny you said that Jomboy. Dyson's actual quote during the World Series years was "That's what speed do"! It quickly became a rallying cry for Royals fans.
He never even came set. How can you be going towards home before you come set? His hands were on opposite sides of his body... Absolutely terrible call.
@@williamdowling7718 technically you can’t step off if you’re in the process of coming set.. it’s incredibly “ticky tacky,” but by the rules, it’s correct..😬
Thank you so much for that at the end, I always grew up thinking: "Jeeze, I guess all the big-leaguers learn CRAZY fast pick off moves at some point, too!"
And here I've been annoyed with in particular Fox Sports who don't sync the audio, so you can hear the ball hit the mitt or the crack of the batt before you see the action, which is like watching a stand up comic with subtitles on--spoils the punchline. Now I know it's the video that's lagging. I feel so complete now.
As a Phillies fan and a third party I can say that this is such a bad call. He literally stepped of the rubber before even reaching for his hat. Also never even touches the ball or glove so as long as he steps of the rubber with his back foot with out moving his front foot literally impossible and can not be a balk.
It's not delayed because they're worried about a fast pitch, it's delayed because of the processing latency of the strike-zone graphic system. You can hear the audio repeat when they cut to that shot sometimes too.
One Thing @Jomboy is going to do in a breakdown is always teach you something NEW!! ive watched baseball for ever and always leave a video like i NEVER KNEEEW LOL
You can either step off while you're set or while you're taking the sign not in between. He started coming set and stepped off before completing the motion of coming set
I was going to say, I saw multiple balks in that one. Hand didn't come straight to the ball while on the rubber, movements in general were not direct, and he shifted his entire body towards home before he stepped off.
That was a balk. Excellent call. Pitcher motion is what was called. Thats how he starts his pitching. He needed to step off completely before he moved up with his body.
@JomBoy Media Never realized how frequent, and twaddle filled, player/coach ejections where until I subscribed to your channel! Keep up the excellent lip reading man!
I've always noticed how the sound glitches like there's a slight repeat every time they cut to the main centerfield view right before the pitch. Now I know why!!
For those confused, this is actually a balk. Pitcher started coming up to a set position as he normally does after looking at the signs and stepped off mid way. Cant step off/hesitate while youre moving on the mound. That's what the ump meant by start and stop. Not that he started and stopped coming to the plate, that he started and stoped his normal movement to the set position. What he should have done since he already started coming up was to come set and then step off. He also has a slow come up to the set position. If he stood up straight away and stepped off, I dont think the ump calls that because it doesnt look like his regular motion. Its the fact he came up slowly as he normally does and steps off that draws the balk call. This video, I find explains balks very well. Around the 2:00 mark is where he talks about hesitation when coming to the set position. ua-cam.com/video/DYu6yoji9_U/v-deo.html
There’s one little bit of the balk ruling you’re forgetting: “Rule 8.05 Comment: Umpires should bear in mind that the purpose of the balk rule is to prevent the pitcher from deliberately deceiving the base runner. If there is doubt in the umpire’s mind, the “intent” of the pitcher should govern. However, certain specifics should be borne in mind: (a) (b) Straddling the pitcher’s rubber without the ball is to be interpreted as intent to deceive and ruled a balk. With a runner on first base the pitcher may make a complete turn, without hesitating toward first, and throw to second. This is not to be interpreted as throwing to an unoccupied” If you really think the pitcher was deliberately trying to deceive the base runner in this instance then by all means keep thinking this was the right call.
@@lucien8581 I do agree with you there, it is up to discretion but I'd rather just have that be called a balk. Make it black and white. There is no real way to tell if a player is being deceiving. Implementing that sort of system will create more chaos because its all up to interpretation. Keep it easy for umps and other officials. All he needed to do was finish his motion to come set and step off, this whole this is avoided. Wouldve taken a second. Also since youre bringing in rules, Rule 5.07 (a) (2) states "Preparatory to coming to a set position, the pitcher shall have one hand on his side; from this position he shall go to his set position as defined in Rule 5.07(a)(2) without interruption and in one continuous motion" His motion up to the set position was interrupted. Hence by legal definition it was the right call.
Ooh, I didn't know that about the pitcher camera. The magic of television! I choose to believe pitchers can time travel their arms to 5 frames in the future during pickoffs anyway.
I always thought it was strange that, every time Andy Pettite threw a pickoff, the ball would already be in the 1B's glove even though I didn't see the throw. Now I know why.
That explanation about the centerfield camera is 100% wrong. That camera, camera 4 for almost every tv director working today, gets fed from the tv remote truck out to MLB so they can add the pitch tracks enhancement, and then brought back into the tv trucks, that creates the delay issue.
The balk call is not about him coming home in this instance. It was about stepping off the back of the mound while coming set. Once you start coming set, you have to come completely set before you can step off again. Pitcher here (yes its kinda ticky tacky) looks like he starts coming set and then steps off the back before coming fully set. Thus the ump saying "I got him starting and stopping"
With that low knee-flexed start he has, to be safe (from a freakish balk call) he probably ought to come set then step off. When he steps off while lifting up from that squat position it can be confusing, i.e. it can look to an umpire like he's beginning his windup.
Or the umpire could just watch the pitcher and see if he makes a move towards home. No such move was made. You can’t ask the hundreds of pitchers that come and go to change their pitching styles.
Alright...subscribed w/ notifications all that jazz. Watched a crap ton of your videos, awesome. We need a breakdown of Rodolfo Castro's at bats. I know it's probably already in the works but, throwin it out there anyway.
Louisiga’s first move should have been stepping off to the rear of the rubber. He could also continued the stretch move, and once stopped, stepped back.
The way loaisiga was slowly coming up from his crouch is the same move he makes when he comes to his set. Because he stepped off IN THE MIDDLE of the movement, that's a balk. If he stepped off while crouching and not moving, he would've been good. If he stepped off after completing the movement fully in the set position, he would've been good. Hope this clears things up.
No, the pitchers hand wasn't on the ball to come to the set position, therefore that ball isn't in play yet. That is when the batter goes to set also.. You cannot put your hand on the ball then take your hand off the ball in any way. That would be a balk. You CANNOT go to a set position without your hand on the ball to prepare to throw.
@@joshtheking1772 Doesn't matter whether the ball is in play, there needs to be a continuous motion from the preparatory position (him hunched over) to the set position, followed by a clear stop. Then anything such as stepping off the rubber can happen. Demon here actually explained it well - it was the fact that he stepped off while in the transition phase from preparatory to set position is why it was called (rightfully) a balk.
By my understanding, it was a balk because he began moving before stepping off. I was always taught your torso must be a statue before you either step off or come set
Yep that's what I figured the call was for too. If he comes all the way up then steps off he's good, but stepping off while in motion is what got him. That could be called a simulated pitch as he's in motion.
"Predatory to coming to a set position the pitcher shall have one hand at his side; from this position they shall go to their set position as defined in rule 5.07(a)(2) WITHOUT INTERRUPTION AND IN ONE CONTINUOUS MOTION" in English if the pitcher starts to come set he can't alter his movement and must come set before making any other movements including stepping other the rubber
This, if your going to do these types of breakdowns please learn the rules. I'm a fan, but seriously, this was the right call. This is exactly what Jansenn did a couple years ago to intentionally balk a runner to third.
Absolutely the right call. It's unique here because of the pitcher's setup, being crouched then having to come up to take his leg off. But if you review his earlier "come ups" (idk what to call them), he does the exact same motion. Jomboy has great content but comes up short here.
Yep his "intentions" don't matter a bit (like some have argued). It was the fact he stepped off while moving while being on the rubber is what got him. That's 100% deception all day every day
Jomboy, the balk was called becuase his normal motion is to start low and stand up to come set. He started low, then started to stand up as he stepped off. That is a change in his delivery which is a balk. If he had stood up and come set or just stepped off without starting to stand up he would have been fine.
I’ve noticed that delay in the camera behind the pitcher tons of times! But I couldn’t ever figure out why that would be the case, so I’ve always just chalked it up to my imagination. Sometimes announcers will call the pitch result a split-second before it’s actually shown and that’s always thrown me off.
I've noticed announcers calling balls hit well and hits almost exactly at the moment the bat makes contact with the ball and I've always assumed there is a video delay but I didn't realize it was just that camera until now.
“When stepping off the rubber, the pitcher must do so without hesitation or interruption and must make no movement normally associated with his motion to pitch.” It’s a balk bro. Compare 1:07 to 3:22. By the book this is a balk.
Absolutely a balk. The motion in the two clips at 1:07 and 3:22 are exactly the same. If the pitcher wants to step off, he needs to begin to disengage his pivot foot first, not do it in the middle of the stretch. Here's the relevant portion of the rule for using the stretch to come set: "Preparatory to coming to a set position, the pitcher shall have one hand on his side; from this position he shall go to his set position as defined in Rule 5.07(a)(2) without interruption and in one continuous motion." What the pitch did is a classic "started and stopped". This type of balk probably wouldn't be called in HS JV ball, and maybe missed in HS Varsity games, but it certainly shouldn't be missed at the MLB level.
Voit should've caught that. Remember, they're major leaguers. Not Sunday beer league guys that I played with and we'd still get on each other for not catching catch-able balls. And we only practiced once a week if we were lucky. NO EXCUSE for Voit not catching that. He's got stone hands anyway.
It was a bad throw before anything though. Sure it was catchable but you don't fault the guy for not correcting someone elses mistake. That's ridiculous.
This is a balk. He gets into his crouch to take signs (you should stand up straight and not contort yourself to take signs, just to prevent this mishap.), but in the process of stepping off to reposition, which is legal, he goes into a motion which appears to be his stretch (according to the umpire). During this "false stretch motion" is when he steps off, having never come set first. That's a balk. It's not a bad call, it's just a bad mechanic. Had he just come set, then stepped off, he would have been fine. Had he not been bent over in such a way, he could have just stepped off. But the way his body is contorted at 1:06, all of his weight being on his bent knees, he has to stand up in order to step off, that motion of standing up is what the umpire took as his stretch.
OMG Thank you......Imho 90% of relievers that start in the stretch position balk on most pitches. But whatever agreement there is with the mlbpa has the umpires not seeing it. A balk is the most straight forward rule in the book the six times they need to twitch their foot coming to a set position is an issue for me.
Balks are actually the worst thing about baseball. No one really knows the rules (even MLB umpires have been confused and reversed calls), and they barely accomplish their goal (of not having the pitcher deceive the runner).
Balks basically just exist so umpires can stop pitchers from doing weird shit they dont like. I guess they can also be used to stop pitchers from doing normal shit they dont like too.
The pitcher started to go up and during that move stepped off. The pitcher should’ve finished going up, paused, and then step off. He did two moves in one motion which constitutes a balk.
Agreed. Once again Jomboy doesn't know the rules. CloseCallSports hit the nail on the head. Going up is the pitcher's normal motion before he pitches. So, going up and moving off the rubber at the same time is a balk. You can't do two moves at once. A balk by definition of the rule.
Jomboy really annoys me sometimes. It'd be one thing if he said "didn't look like a balk to me", but he said they called the balk specifically because he made a move to home. That's a justification he completely pulled out of his ass, and it's completely obvious that he didn't make a move home. That's a large reason why so many people are claiming it's not a balk, because the justification he's claiming was used simply doesn't exist. This isn't the first time he's done something like this, creating a strawman justification for a call that he disagrees with, thereby influencing his audience into agreeing with him. He needs to fucking learn the rules of these sports if he's going to continue to make videos like these. And I don't even give a shit about baseball, so I'm saying this without bias for either team here.
It’s because he didn’t come set before making the move off the rubber. The way he disengaged the rubber ends up just looking like he’s coming set, except if the way he did it was allowed he would just become an infielder, but the runner on 2nd Is going to have a very difficult time telling is the pitchers foot is on the rubber because of the angle, so it becomes unfairly deceptive which is the whole point of the balk rule. Now in this case, it wasn’t meant to be deceptive, he was literally just trying to step off and reset but he still has to do it properly. The call was right, it just looks stupid because anytime a balk is called on a play that has nothing to do with tricking a runner it looks stupid. Plus there’s the old saying, every pickoff move is a balk that just hasn’t been called yet.
THE BALL WAS IN THE GLOVE UNTOUCHED. If that's a balk then about 30% of the pitcher in the league would be balking every single pitch. They just like to play god and have no respect to the game.
@@benlex5672 the problem is the motion. He basically made a move as if he was coming set while simultaneously disengaging the rubber. It was absolutely a balk. Jomboy needs to check his bias because the whole tone of the video he’s questioning the ump, when he should be questioning why a major league ball player AND manager don’t know what they’re doing or talking about.
If the guy who was on a date in San Diego at Pacific coast grill sees this, I heard you talking about Jomboy! Hope you had a good meal with your wife man.
It wasn't a balk though so that fan was wrong too and he only pointed because the ump pointed at the pitcher which most likely means he's calling a balk.
@@AdamtheGrey02 it was a balk though. He stepped off after he had started his motion to come set. That's a balk every single time. Not even a remotely controversial call.
From what I’ve heard and read about the balk rule that this applies too, you have to be set in the stretch or catching the sign in the stretch in order to step off. You cannot be in the process of becoming set in the stretch and step off simultaneously which is what the pitcher did
@@LarryTheBassplayer watch again. Did he, from the stretch position and taking the sign, move his foot before he began to stand up? If the very first motion is not to step back with his foot, it is a balk
@@LarryTheBassplayer watch it again. If after he is in his stretch, is the very first movement his back foot disengaging the rubber? Or is it rising toward the position he assumes before he delivers the ball to home?
To anyone saying this is a balk, you're just wrong and so is the umpire. The nature of this call seems to stem from "Switches pitching position from the windup to the set (or vice versa) without properly disengaging the rubber". The pitcher disengaged the rubber as there was a transition to the pitching stance and clearly had no transition into throwing. Honestly I believe the umpire called the balk for "Unnecessarily delays the game". A lot of umpires just want to get the game over. The pitcher was trying to keep the runner at bay and calm his nerves after a giving a free base because of an error. The umpire most likely was just fed up with someone playing the game in a slow fashion and just didn't want to admit it because they know they were being petty.
Balk happened when the pitcher stepped off the rubber halfway through the transition from stretch to set. Pitchers can only step off the rubber from stretch or set, not in transition from one to the other.
@@howardbaxter2514 doesn’t need to have it in his hand.. say his ready position was his right hand down by his side and his glove up by his chest with the ball. He’s allowed to do anything since he’s not holding the ball?? 😂😂😂
@@Rtrac44 clearly see he went from crouching to look at the call sign to immediately off the rubber as he was standing up, and made zero implication that he was about to throw.
The "start-stop" is while he's going into his set. You can disengage while you're in the stretch OR while you're in your set, but you can't stop and disengage while you're moving into the set. That's a start-stop.
By the letter of the law, you HAVE to come set after you begin the motion to move there. I think he looked like he was going to hit set stance, but halfway through abandoned it. You're not technically allowed to do that, but boy is that a petty thing to call. Ump knew it right away though, I think he technically called it right.
sadly they have to call all balks as they see them even if they might not think he's trying to be nefarious about it, it's unfortunate for the Pitcher and his New York teammates but it was still the right call. Also the Umpire-in-Chief showed incredible restraint since the second Boone argued the balk call, he could've been thrown out instead he offered a warning to him
Everyone knows what a balk is... A balk is when the pitcher balks and then the umpire says he balked so the pitcher said he didn't balk but the pitcher balked after balking but the first basemen said he didn't balk because it wasn't a balk but then a random fan yells he balked so he balked.. Read the rules guys
The delay/missing frames is due to the pitch tracking system/overlay, not something that it intentionally added. Often switching to that camera triggers a change in the delay in the audio console of the effects mics on the field, to make sure that everything lines up. 5 frames (if that’s accurate) is only 1/12 of a second, so it’s not huge but it’s enough to feel a touch off in those plays.
they need to refine the definition of a balk to be something more scientifically demonstrable. Right now an ump can just get a tickle in their jimmies and give a team free bases.
Can we all agree to just reword the balk rule to "make a forward move to home & then go back to a resting position, or a set position, or attempt to make a move to any other base?" It would be so much easier. Football does a good job of having specific rules, the refs just suck. Baseball has fairly obscure rules with better umps to be honest. I think both sports could learn from each other. Hockey however has the best refs - it's rare you watch a hockey game and go "WHAT A TERRIBLE CALL!!!" "STUPID RULE!!!"
I thought that motion of him leaning in towards the plate, to see better, constituted the forward motion. It feels like he was going forward then retracted. I could see a balk being called. But then, don’t they have the replay? Have them challenge the ruling.
@@neftalimora4650 Replay doesn't work on balks. There are specific criteria you can ask for a review. It's sort of stupid. I think they did that on purpose because they know some of the rules can be "interpreted" differently.
It’s a start/stop balk, because he started to come up into his set motion and stepped off while still moving up. He should have come all the way up, stopped, then stepped off. It’s a balk all day long.
@@iceman5117 It’s technically not a balk to deceive the runner, it’s more of a balk to prevent a pitchers movement from getting sloppy. Honestly it’s one of those things where it can go either way, but when the game is close like that, they’ve gotta award a base.
@@korbinlacy1007 what are you even talking about? The balk rules exist solely to prevent the pitcher from decieving runners. Outside of that, who gives a solitary shit how the pitcher looks on the plate?
Game ended up going almost 5 hrs. Boonie's probably still passed out at a nearby Applebee's with margarita salt on his upper lip
I covered his tab and ordered an uber for him. I didnt want another LaRussa situation
@@LemurJackson damn, harsh but fair, better overall outcome
@@LemurJackson God forbid lol
jesusss christ thats true 😂 😂 😂
Yes I turned it on at 8PM EST and I got bored with it when KC tied it up at 2 in the bottom of the 8th around 11 PM EST and turned it off. I check back two hours later and the final score is Yankee's win 8 to 6? WTF? neither team was hitting all game right up through the 8th.
I don't know what any of these people's voices actually sound like so I'm just gonna assume that they sound exactly like the voices Jomboy gives them
I’ve been doing that since I started watching him lmao. Kind of makes for some disappointment when you actually HEAR the peoples voice lmao
Newman!
I've been doing the same without realizing it! Ha! I think I'll keep taking your lead. It's been entertaining so far.
@@gilbert8162 Jambalayaaaaa!
@@dantreview4698 I despise Keith Hernandez.
Pretty advanced move coming to home without the ball in his hand.
must be a new delivery where he doesn’t put his throwing hand in his glove
Serious mind games, he's gonna throw the ball without touching it
Judgement calls need to be reviewable.
@@benkofi8570 fr
The Umpires continue getting worse. The playoffs are gonna be a shit show at this rate. And CBA talks are gonna force a robotic strike zone.
Every time I see a balk call I get more confused about what is and isnt a balk
Ikr.
No it's pretty clear when it's a balk, this ain't a balk.
@@chand911 you would think so, until you get bullshit calls like this.
@@chand911 no, it is a balk. It's one of the most obvious balks you can do lol
you cannot step off while coming to the set position. That is a very basic rule of pitching. He can only step off while in that bent over position or after he has come set. As soon as he moves from that hunched position he has two options A) throw to a base or b) come to the set position. He steps off instead which is 100% a balk.
@@AD-df5tm he waant coming to set though... he stepped off while his knees where still partially bent as he was standing up because he isnt going to stay crouched the whole time and he was not reaching for the ball. How is he coming to set without bringing his hand to his glove at all?
I didn’t know about the 5 frame delay, that was so interesting to find out. Thank you!
doesn't it always seem like the ball is way ahead of where it should be, like the whole ordeal should be longer. Turns out a chunk of a second is skipped!
I didn't know that either and that was a very cool fact! Jomboy always coming up clutch
The delay is actually generally due to the graphics system that overlays the strike zone/pitch tracker. Anything like that (along with first down lines, virtual add insertion) takes a bit of time to process and so is a little bit behind. In some cases the video switcher will send a GPI to things like the audio board and it will bring in a few frames of audio delay so that the bat crack sound lines up, then automatically switches back once you go to one of the other cameras.
Here I am thinking every pitcher in the league has a lightning quick move to first, but no, the 3rd base side camera is just half a second ahead of the centerfield camera.. Didn't know that.
Wait what???!
@@yesmadlol9124 watch the video you clicked on lol
Actually if it really is 5 frames, it's quite less than half a second. If it's broadcasted at 50p, it's like 1/10 of a second.
It's about the transmission delay or speed, nothing to do with the camera itself.
And now we know, cool of James to point this out. #TIL.
That missed frames breakdown is groundbreaking.
Experts say that this breakdown will have major affects on the economy
I never would have noticed
A shovel is also groundbreaking
No way that's a balk. His front foot never moved. He stepped his back foot off the rubber. Side note: Boone not saying horseshit is a first
I have to believe he said it while his back was to the camera. It's just so un-Boonelike to not say it.
@@Zoggosh that's more believable than him not saying it
He wasn't even set, I don't get it
@Deported addict he absolutely had the ball
In his hand lol
Any player on a jomboy breakdown not saying horseshit is a first 😄
I love how the throwing someone out signal is actually the universal signal for "get over here and yell in my face"
There’s no punishment in the MLB for doing it so why wouldn’t they? Most other places outside of North American professional baseball the minimum penalty for acting like this is two game suspension.
@@kenconnelly773 exactly, if you yell straight into the umpire's/referee's face for 2 minutes in any European sports you're deemed a disgrace, fined and suspended for several games. In baseball you just get to take an early shower and come back the next day
@@sanderappel4499 amateur women’s soccer match in the United States, a woman held my wrist to stop me from showing a red card (deliberate handball to stop a goal). League suspended her for the last four league games and a knockout cup competition.
@@kenconnelly773 That sounds fair. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
Can't throw him out twice so might as well get a good yellin' in.
Ump: I didn't wanna throw you out there
Boone: I don't want you calling that a balk
But it was a balk.
@@alanhess9306 never said it wasn't sport
@@leyroy1289 My point is Boone was wrong.
As a Royals fan, thats about as much of a balk as my dreams are alive.
As a Royals fan that's crazy that your dreams are alive
Maaaaan, we had a good few years. Shit was magical then suddenly...well, not so much.
As an Angels fan, at least you guys have a WS in the recent memory.. when the Angels actually made it to the postseason with Trout, you guys swept us.. ouch.
@@whatthefleeb 2002
As a BASEBALL fan, that's a balk.
Surprised Boone didn't say horseshit during this whole clip lmao.
I'm gonna be more surprised if he didn't say fucking terrible lol
Prolly did while the camera was on the back of his head
He was just off his game tonight.
I was expecting it the whole time. Absolutely stunned a manager didn't say it in an argument
I was waiting for it!
That’s actually quite fascinating to learn that about the camera timing. I’ve always felt there was something weird about watching the pickoff play in particular but I could never put my finger on what it was. But that’s it!!
I was surprised the first time seeing how far back the mound really is from home compared to what it looks like on TV
@@eliasgflores9858 have you never been to a game?
@@BachBeethovenBerg I grew up in Mexico. I remember watching the Mets, the Twins and the Dodgers win the world series. But not going to an MLB game in person until an exibition game at Mile High with the Astros, before the Rockies existed.
@@eliasgflores9858 I always thought it looked shorter in person haha
You can hear the sound clip a little on the TV broadcast, too. Sounds like a little record skip. Never knew why it was doing that, now I know!
Every pitcher has their own 'coming to set' motion before their delivery. In the video, watch how he comes set before delivering. He performs the same motion, hunched over and then up while touching/rubs his tight hip, however, he then steps off the back of the rubber. At 3:21 you can see his normal motion to delivery. This is why a balk was called. He starts down in the hunched over-look at home. In order for him to disengage from the rubber at this point in time, he would either have to step off while hunched over or come to a full set and then step off the rubber. Since this motion is the same every time to his set motion, in this case, he decided to step off the back of the rubber during this which looks exactly like his 'come to set' motion. The umpires had seen several pitches since his entry into the game to let them know exactly what his delivery is like and then could call a balk if necessary. Pitchers are creatures of habit.
10000% this. Started to come set and stepped off midway. I mentioned in my reply that even if he came up more abruptly and stepped off the umps likely dont call it since it deviates from his normal "coming to set" motion.
No. His set position is when he brings the glove up and his hand is in the glove. Watch the pickoff attempts. No balk. So, you can't say he balked if he never even came to the position he came to on the previous two pickoff attempts where no balk was called.
@@somecanadianguy8558 Sorry I didn't see your reply. You are correct in your assessment that if he was quicker with his motion that was closer to the end of his set position that the balk may not have been called. Have a good one.
@@smithzk You can balk without coming to a set position. See around the 2:05 minute mark in the video below. I balk is not constrained to a pickoff move. Even if he dropped the ball hunched over, or even just clearing some dirt to get ready, thats a balk. See Scott Oberg in the 2018 NLDS for that. If you have a normal tendency for every pitch, start it and deviate from it, you can be called for a balk. No matter where that tendency occurs.
@@somecanadianguy8558 I wasn't saying that the balk should be constrained to a pickoff move. I was saying that in the pickoff moves, he did the same motion up to the point where the balk was called. Then brought the glove up and brought his hand to the glove, then moved to first base. I'm not understanding what you're saying. If this is his normal move, then where did he deviate in this case? He stepped off the rubber before he got to the position where he made a move to first base previously. So, he could not be called for having started a move home and stopped in this case if he was already allowed to move to first in the previous cases.
"That's what I do".....so funny you said that Jomboy. Dyson's actual quote during the World Series years was "That's what speed do"! It quickly became a rallying cry for Royals fans.
As a Royals fan this game was a heartbreaker but they never ever quit and I’m proud of them. As for the call this was terrible, not a balk.
You KC fans really are sweethearts huh
@@xxtomcatxx what does this even mean
He never even came set. How can you be going towards home before you come set? His hands were on opposite sides of his body... Absolutely terrible call.
@@williamdowling7718 technically you can’t step off if you’re in the process of coming set.. it’s incredibly “ticky tacky,” but by the rules, it’s correct..😬
Judge was save in homeplate too! That was run was key to win in regulation!
Thank you so much for that at the end, I always grew up thinking: "Jeeze, I guess all the big-leaguers learn CRAZY fast pick off moves at some point, too!"
And here I've been annoyed with in particular Fox Sports who don't sync the audio, so you can hear the ball hit the mitt or the crack of the batt before you see the action, which is like watching a stand up comic with subtitles on--spoils the punchline.
Now I know it's the video that's lagging. I feel so complete now.
Ok that 5 frames thing at the end blew my mind. Didn’t know that was a thing.
You’re not the only one
so is this why fox always has that audio wierd delay/echo?
Yesss!!! More Royals break downs!!!
Jomboy is fantastic lol...love these videos
As a Phillies fan and a third party I can say that this is such a bad call. He literally stepped of the rubber before even reaching for his hat. Also never even touches the ball or glove so as long as he steps of the rubber with his back foot with out moving his front foot literally impossible and can not be a balk.
GO PHILLS
The pitcher has to come to the set position before stepping off. This IS a balk.
@@locustjohn3865 whats the point of a balk if he doesn’t have the ball in his hand and isn’t trying to get anyone out?
@@hayden1332 The point is it's the rule. Sorry if you don't agree with the rule, but it IS the rule.
Red Sox fan here. Agree. No balk
I wish my manager would argue for his players instead of worrying about jomboy breaking him down.
Lol he doesn't
@@BridgeEntertainment2001 whoooosh
I love when Jimmy makes the Umps super compassionate.
It's not delayed because they're worried about a fast pitch, it's delayed because of the processing latency of the strike-zone graphic system. You can hear the audio repeat when they cut to that shot sometimes too.
One Thing @Jomboy is going to do in a breakdown is always teach you something NEW!! ive watched baseball for ever and always leave a video like i NEVER KNEEEW LOL
You can either step off while you're set or while you're taking the sign not in between. He started coming set and stepped off before completing the motion of coming set
Thank you, somebody understands the rules. You can't step off WHILE coming to the set, only before (taking the signs) or after (already set).
The problem is that you never see that called.
I was going to say, I saw multiple balks in that one. Hand didn't come straight to the ball while on the rubber, movements in general were not direct, and he shifted his entire body towards home before he stepped off.
@@perrytilton5221 The others I accept, but why does that last one matter if he doesn't have the ball in his hand?
@@alarson1799 Because it's still a move regardless. For all we know he could have tried to go to home in that one motion.
As a royals fan, I don’t see how the hell that’s a balk
I think (hope?) everyone feels the same way.
That's some bullshit.
You’re not a real royals fan
@@TheDarknessOfGames bruh anyone who still follows the royals after 2016 is a real royals fan lmao
@@chumchum3803 I've been am Angels fan since 1984 (5 years old)
I feel your pain
@@danoneall4013 big respect, as a Rockies I can only begin to fathom your pain
I wanna go to a baseball game with Jomboy. Bucket list
Same here
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That was a balk. Excellent call. Pitcher motion is what was called. Thats how he starts his pitching. He needed to step off completely before he moved up with his body.
@JomBoy Media Never realized how frequent, and twaddle filled, player/coach ejections where until I subscribed to your channel! Keep up the excellent lip reading man!
Jimmy, the turn-around on this video is insane. Go to bed!! 💛
This is his PornHub. He's polishing his bat looking at your profile pic.
@@weekendtech9917 I get turned on by the letter "C" too.
I've always noticed how the sound glitches like there's a slight repeat every time they cut to the main centerfield view right before the pitch. Now I know why!!
Me too! I kept hearing a brief bit of heckling repeated. Now I know why.
i couldn’t have gotten interested in baseball without jomboy, before breakdowns all i watched were highlights!
For those confused, this is actually a balk. Pitcher started coming up to a set position as he normally does after looking at the signs and stepped off mid way. Cant step off/hesitate while youre moving on the mound. That's what the ump meant by start and stop. Not that he started and stopped coming to the plate, that he started and stoped his normal movement to the set position.
What he should have done since he already started coming up was to come set and then step off. He also has a slow come up to the set position. If he stood up straight away and stepped off, I dont think the ump calls that because it doesnt look like his regular motion. Its the fact he came up slowly as he normally does and steps off that draws the balk call.
This video, I find explains balks very well. Around the 2:00 mark is where he talks about hesitation when coming to the set position. ua-cam.com/video/DYu6yoji9_U/v-deo.html
Ding Ding. We have a winner.
He didnt even have a ball in his throwing hand
There’s one little bit of the balk ruling you’re forgetting:
“Rule 8.05 Comment: Umpires should bear in mind that the purpose of the balk rule is to prevent the pitcher from deliberately deceiving the base runner. If there is doubt in the umpire’s mind, the “intent” of the pitcher should govern. However, certain specifics should be borne in mind:
(a) (b)
Straddling the pitcher’s rubber without the ball is to be interpreted as intent to deceive and ruled a balk.
With a runner on first base the pitcher may make a complete turn, without hesitating toward first, and throw to second. This is not to be interpreted as throwing to an unoccupied”
If you really think the pitcher was deliberately trying to deceive the base runner in this instance then by all means keep thinking this was the right call.
@@Nick-bb4nk Irrelevant. Can't step off in the middle of coming set.
@@lucien8581 I do agree with you there, it is up to discretion but I'd rather just have that be called a balk. Make it black and white. There is no real way to tell if a player is being deceiving. Implementing that sort of system will create more chaos because its all up to interpretation.
Keep it easy for umps and other officials. All he needed to do was finish his motion to come set and step off, this whole this is avoided. Wouldve taken a second.
Also since youre bringing in rules, Rule 5.07 (a) (2) states "Preparatory to coming to a set position, the pitcher shall have one hand on his side; from this position he shall go to his set position as defined in Rule 5.07(a)(2) without interruption and in one continuous motion"
His motion up to the set position was interrupted. Hence by legal definition it was the right call.
thank you Jomboy for clarifying the delay between broadcast camera's. I always noticed this but never knew what was going on, legend!
Ooh, I didn't know that about the pitcher camera. The magic of television!
I choose to believe pitchers can time travel their arms to 5 frames in the future during pickoffs anyway.
I always thought it was strange that, every time Andy Pettite threw a pickoff, the ball would already be in the 1B's glove even though I didn't see the throw. Now I know why.
That explanation about the centerfield camera is 100% wrong. That camera, camera 4 for almost every tv director working today, gets fed from the tv remote truck out to MLB so they can add the pitch tracks enhancement, and then brought back into the tv trucks, that creates the delay issue.
The balk call is not about him coming home in this instance. It was about stepping off the back of the mound while coming set. Once you start coming set, you have to come completely set before you can step off again. Pitcher here (yes its kinda ticky tacky) looks like he starts coming set and then steps off the back before coming fully set. Thus the ump saying "I got him starting and stopping"
With that low knee-flexed start he has, to be safe (from a freakish balk call) he probably ought to come set then step off. When he steps off while lifting up from that squat position it can be confusing, i.e. it can look to an umpire like he's beginning his windup.
Or the umpire could just watch the pitcher and see if he makes a move towards home. No such move was made. You can’t ask the hundreds of pitchers that come and go to change their pitching styles.
The Jomboy vocal inflections for the ump here are absolutely perfect.
Never knew that camera was delayed. Just another gem of a video by @jomboymedia
Alright...subscribed w/ notifications all that jazz. Watched a crap ton of your videos, awesome. We need a breakdown of Rodolfo Castro's at bats. I know it's probably already in the works but, throwin it out there anyway.
Never knew about the missing frames during a pick off attempt. Thanks Jomboy for doing the people's work
Louisiga’s first move should have been stepping off to the rear of the rubber. He could also continued the stretch move, and once stopped, stepped back.
Love your voice over man. When I first watched your videos I thought it was them talking, then knew it was just your voice over. Haha
Bro we love your narration of the dialogue. Especially the cursing.😆 always keep it real
The way loaisiga was slowly coming up from his crouch is the same move he makes when he comes to his set. Because he stepped off IN THE MIDDLE of the movement, that's a balk. If he stepped off while crouching and not moving, he would've been good. If he stepped off after completing the movement fully in the set position, he would've been good. Hope this clears things up.
Yeah that’s what I was thinking too. He clearly didn’t have any intention of pitching cause the ball isn’t in his hand but balks are a weird rule
Agreed fully. The step off mid-motion is what got him.
Didn’t move his front foot
No, the pitchers hand wasn't on the ball to come to the set position, therefore that ball isn't in play yet. That is when the batter goes to set also.. You cannot put your hand on the ball then take your hand off the ball in any way. That would be a balk. You CANNOT go to a set position without your hand on the ball to prepare to throw.
@@joshtheking1772 Doesn't matter whether the ball is in play, there needs to be a continuous motion from the preparatory position (him hunched over) to the set position, followed by a clear stop. Then anything such as stepping off the rubber can happen. Demon here actually explained it well - it was the fact that he stepped off while in the transition phase from preparatory to set position is why it was called (rightfully) a balk.
By my understanding, it was a balk because he began moving before stepping off. I was always taught your torso must be a statue before you either step off or come set
Yep that's what I figured the call was for too. If he comes all the way up then steps off he's good, but stepping off while in motion is what got him. That could be called a simulated pitch as he's in motion.
"Predatory to coming to a set position the pitcher shall have one hand at his side; from this position they shall go to their set position as defined in rule 5.07(a)(2) WITHOUT INTERRUPTION AND IN ONE CONTINUOUS MOTION" in English if the pitcher starts to come set he can't alter his movement and must come set before making any other movements including stepping other the rubber
This, if your going to do these types of breakdowns please learn the rules. I'm a fan, but seriously, this was the right call. This is exactly what Jansenn did a couple years ago to intentionally balk a runner to third.
Absolutely the right call. It's unique here because of the pitcher's setup, being crouched then having to come up to take his leg off. But if you review his earlier "come ups" (idk what to call them), he does the exact same motion. Jomboy has great content but comes up short here.
Breakdown, Comedy AND frame lessons! You got it all man'
When Boone is arguing you can see a grandpa in the background just dying of laughter 😂
That is a great call.. you can step off in the stretch position and also after you come set. He stepped off while moving from stretch to set.
Yep his "intentions" don't matter a bit (like some have argued). It was the fact he stepped off while moving while being on the rubber is what got him. That's 100% deception all day every day
That is very hard to tell without replays. I don’t know how he even saw that within a second
He started coming up to the set position before he removed his right foot from the pitching rubber. It was a balk.
I watched this live and it was misery to see us let up 2 bases without throwing a pitch
Jomboy, the balk was called becuase his normal motion is to start low and stand up to come set. He started low, then started to stand up as he stepped off. That is a change in his delivery which is a balk. If he had stood up and come set or just stepped off without starting to stand up he would have been fine.
Jomboy always teaches me things I didn’t think I’d need to know before I even thought I needed to know them.
I’ve noticed that delay in the camera behind the pitcher tons of times! But I couldn’t ever figure out why that would be the case, so I’ve always just chalked it up to my imagination. Sometimes announcers will call the pitch result a split-second before it’s actually shown and that’s always thrown me off.
I've noticed announcers calling balls hit well and hits almost exactly at the moment the bat makes contact with the ball and I've always assumed there is a video delay but I didn't realize it was just that camera until now.
“When stepping off the rubber, the pitcher must do so without hesitation or interruption and must make no movement normally associated with his motion to pitch.”
It’s a balk bro. Compare 1:07 to 3:22. By the book this is a balk.
Not even a hard call to be honest. Normally balks are super subjective but this one is clear as day
Absolutely a balk. The motion in the two clips at 1:07 and 3:22 are exactly the same. If the pitcher wants to step off, he needs to begin to disengage his pivot foot first, not do it in the middle of the stretch. Here's the relevant portion of the rule for using the stretch to come set:
"Preparatory to coming to a set position, the pitcher shall have one hand on his side; from this position he shall go to his set position as defined in Rule 5.07(a)(2) without interruption and in one continuous motion." What the pitch did is a classic "started and stopped".
This type of balk probably wouldn't be called in HS JV ball, and maybe missed in HS Varsity games, but it certainly shouldn't be missed at the MLB level.
Voit should've caught that.
Remember, they're major leaguers. Not Sunday beer league guys that I played with and we'd still get on each other for not catching catch-able balls.
And we only practiced once a week if we were lucky.
NO EXCUSE for Voit not catching that. He's got stone hands anyway.
It was a bad throw before anything though. Sure it was catchable but you don't fault the guy for not correcting someone elses mistake. That's ridiculous.
Rizzo would've caught it
Yeah, but probably partially because as a lefty it would be much easier, so let’s cut Voit some slack here.
I wonder if his foot is still bothering him!
@@barneydinosaur4898 Cut a major leaguer slack for not catching a ball. Are you serious?
This is their profession.
Can’t believe jomboy didn’t even mention the sick helmet bounce right off of the umps leg and right back into the runners hand 3:07
Giving the Like for the extra info at the end. Way to go JomBoy.
This is a balk. He gets into his crouch to take signs (you should stand up straight and not contort yourself to take signs, just to prevent this mishap.), but in the process of stepping off to reposition, which is legal, he goes into a motion which appears to be his stretch (according to the umpire). During this "false stretch motion" is when he steps off, having never come set first. That's a balk.
It's not a bad call, it's just a bad mechanic.
Had he just come set, then stepped off, he would have been fine. Had he not been bent over in such a way, he could have just stepped off. But the way his body is contorted at 1:06, all of his weight being on his bent knees, he has to stand up in order to step off, that motion of standing up is what the umpire took as his stretch.
OMG Thank you......Imho 90% of relievers that start in the stretch position balk on most pitches. But whatever agreement there is with the mlbpa has the umpires not seeing it. A balk is the most straight forward rule in the book the six times they need to twitch their foot coming to a set position is an issue for me.
This would’ve angered me a lot more, if the yankees lost.
Lucky they didn't. Not a good team.
@@austinneveau9387 good team but not great
Balks are actually the worst thing about baseball. No one really knows the rules (even MLB umpires have been confused and reversed calls), and they barely accomplish their goal (of not having the pitcher deceive the runner).
Black balls
Balks basically just exist so umpires can stop pitchers from doing weird shit they dont like. I guess they can also be used to stop pitchers from doing normal shit they dont like too.
great video jomboy, i usually get on you for long ads at the beginning but nothing here, nice vid
the slo-mo lip-reading is the peak Jomboy analysis I sub for.
The pitcher started to go up and during that move stepped off. The pitcher should’ve finished going up, paused, and then step off. He did two moves in one motion which constitutes a balk.
Yep, not really controversial at all if you have ever pitched in your life. You can't step off while coming set. They teach you that in little league.
Agreed. Once again Jomboy doesn't know the rules. CloseCallSports hit the nail on the head. Going up is the pitcher's normal motion before he pitches. So, going up and moving off the rubber at the same time is a balk. You can't do two moves at once. A balk by definition of the rule.
Finally, the only real person in the comments who knows the rules.
@@fuelvolts Isnt Jomboy a yankees fan? lmao his bias in all the yankee videos show it
Jomboy really annoys me sometimes. It'd be one thing if he said "didn't look like a balk to me", but he said they called the balk specifically because he made a move to home. That's a justification he completely pulled out of his ass, and it's completely obvious that he didn't make a move home. That's a large reason why so many people are claiming it's not a balk, because the justification he's claiming was used simply doesn't exist.
This isn't the first time he's done something like this, creating a strawman justification for a call that he disagrees with, thereby influencing his audience into agreeing with him. He needs to fucking learn the rules of these sports if he's going to continue to make videos like these. And I don't even give a shit about baseball, so I'm saying this without bias for either team here.
It’s because he didn’t come set before making the move off the rubber. The way he disengaged the rubber ends up just looking like he’s coming set, except if the way he did it was allowed he would just become an infielder, but the runner on 2nd Is going to have a very difficult time telling is the pitchers foot is on the rubber because of the angle, so it becomes unfairly deceptive which is the whole point of the balk rule. Now in this case, it wasn’t meant to be deceptive, he was literally just trying to step off and reset but he still has to do it properly. The call was right, it just looks stupid because anytime a balk is called on a play that has nothing to do with tricking a runner it looks stupid.
Plus there’s the old saying, every pickoff move is a balk that just hasn’t been called yet.
As an unbiased person who rarely watches baseball games but watches a lot of Jomboy I’m going to respectfully say, “nah.”
THE BALL WAS IN THE GLOVE UNTOUCHED. If that's a balk then about 30% of the pitcher in the league would be balking every single pitch. They just like to play god and have no respect to the game.
@@Eric_E_123 there's the problem, you watch too much Jomboy. he DOES NOT KNOW the rules of baseball.
@@Eric_E_123 so what you’re telling me is, you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. Cool
@@benlex5672 the problem is the motion. He basically made a move as if he was coming set while simultaneously disengaging the rubber. It was absolutely a balk. Jomboy needs to check his bias because the whole tone of the video he’s questioning the ump, when he should be questioning why a major league ball player AND manager don’t know what they’re doing or talking about.
If the guy who was on a date in San Diego at Pacific coast grill sees this, I heard you talking about Jomboy! Hope you had a good meal with your wife man.
It wasn't me but I love that place! And I've definitely played/discussed Jomboy videos while there lol.
Man jomboys breakdowns are the best BOL
This came out quick well done as always 😂😂😂
He was looking through the Astro's camera and saw the pitcher move towards the camera, that has to be it.
@Ryder Calhoun no matter what i’ll always see your salty comments whenever there’s an astro comment. Cry
Boone interaction with the umpire was like when you're having an argument with your gf/bf.
Gotta give credit for the fan in blue 2 rows behind home who recognized the balk half a second after the ump.
It wasn't a balk though so that fan was wrong too and he only pointed because the ump pointed at the pitcher which most likely means he's calling a balk.
@@AdamtheGrey02 Adam, I have no skin in the game, I don’t care if the ump called a HR on a strikeout the fan was quick
@@AdamtheGrey02 it was a balk though. He stepped off after he had started his motion to come set. That's a balk every single time. Not even a remotely controversial call.
@@AD-df5tm He didn't start his motion. He went up to his set position and it's OK to step off then.
@@LemurJackson That's fine. I say he was only reacting because of the point. He saw nothing because there was nothing to see.
Watched live and was waiting for the breakdown
Jomboy teaching me stuff! I never noticed that before. Now I probably will notice it all the time now!
From what I’ve heard and read about the balk rule that this applies too, you have to be set in the stretch or catching the sign in the stretch in order to step off. You cannot be in the process of becoming set in the stretch and step off simultaneously which is what the pitcher did
100% correct
No he wasn't.
He read the sign. Stepped off.
Simple.
@@LarryTheBassplayer sure looks like he was in the process of coming set and then stepped off to me🤷♂️
@@LarryTheBassplayer watch again. Did he, from the stretch position and taking the sign, move his foot before he began to stand up? If the very first motion is not to step back with his foot, it is a balk
@@LarryTheBassplayer watch it again. If after he is in his stretch, is the very first movement his back foot disengaging the rubber? Or is it rising toward the position he assumes before he delivers the ball to home?
Delayed frames also make announcers sound great on their timing.
I never knew that the main camera was 5 frames behind, very interesting
To anyone saying this is a balk, you're just wrong and so is the umpire.
The nature of this call seems to stem from "Switches pitching position from the windup to the set (or vice versa) without properly disengaging the rubber".
The pitcher disengaged the rubber as there was a transition to the pitching stance and clearly had no transition into throwing.
Honestly I believe the umpire called the balk for "Unnecessarily delays the game". A lot of umpires just want to get the game over. The pitcher was trying to keep the runner at bay and calm his nerves after a giving a free base because of an error. The umpire most likely was just fed up with someone playing the game in a slow fashion and just didn't want to admit it because they know they were being petty.
3:02 That transition was SMOOTH 🔥
These umps are all just awful I love it
Balk happened when the pitcher stepped off the rubber halfway through the transition from stretch to set. Pitchers can only step off the rubber from stretch or set, not in transition from one to the other.
Balk. Looked like he was gonna come set but stepped off. Needed to step off then re adjust
My wife hates when I do this.
Not a balk, he never had the ball in his hand, and stepped off with his back foot.
@@howardbaxter2514 doesn’t need to have it in his hand.. say his ready position was his right hand down by his side and his glove up by his chest with the ball. He’s allowed to do anything since he’s not holding the ball?? 😂😂😂
@@Rtrac44 clearly see he went from crouching to look at the call sign to immediately off the rubber as he was standing up, and made zero implication that he was about to throw.
@@Rtrac44 he was never in a set position.
Your voice acting is underrated. Everyone talks about the lip reading but NO ONE talks how you act it out.
Thanks for the breakdown as usual.
We need a breakdown of why the sign changed from hi to high and back again in the last episode of weekly dumb. plis Jimmy.
gotta talk to zack about that shit
The "start-stop" is while he's going into his set. You can disengage while you're in the stretch OR while you're in your set, but you can't stop and disengage while you're moving into the set. That's a start-stop.
By the letter of the law, you HAVE to come set after you begin the motion to move there. I think he looked like he was going to hit set stance, but halfway through abandoned it. You're not technically allowed to do that, but boy is that a petty thing to call.
Ump knew it right away though, I think he technically called it right.
sadly they have to call all balks as they see them even if they might not think he's trying to be nefarious about it, it's unfortunate for the Pitcher and his New York teammates but it was still the right call.
Also the Umpire-in-Chief showed incredible restraint since the second Boone argued the balk call, he could've been thrown out instead he offered a warning to him
That HaHaHAaaAHAha, had me cracking lol
Jomboy...you are the shit. You don't miss anything.
I get so irrationally mad when away announcers pronounce Loisiga's name wrong. IT'S PRONOUNCED LASAGNA YOU DING DONGS
you need to come up to rest, then step off. Not in one motion. So technically its a Balk.
Everyone knows what a balk is...
A balk is when the pitcher balks and then the umpire says he balked so the pitcher said he didn't balk but the pitcher balked after balking but the first basemen said he didn't balk because it wasn't a balk but then a random fan yells he balked so he balked..
Read the rules guys
and the manager comes out to balk at the balk call!
Or...you could just read the rules. The only reason baseball "fans" don't understand the rules is because they haven't read them
The delay/missing frames is due to the pitch tracking system/overlay, not something that it intentionally added. Often switching to that camera triggers a change in the delay in the audio console of the effects mics on the field, to make sure that everything lines up.
5 frames (if that’s accurate) is only 1/12 of a second, so it’s not huge but it’s enough to feel a touch off in those plays.
Totally explains why some announcers are quick to call a K before we see it on TV
they need to refine the definition of a balk to be something more scientifically demonstrable. Right now an ump can just get a tickle in their jimmies and give a team free bases.
The only time I know it's a surefire balk is if the pitcher drops the ball.
Read section 6.02 in the rulebook and explain why that wasn't a balk
Can we all agree to just reword the balk rule to "make a forward move to home & then go back to a resting position, or a set position, or attempt to make a move to any other base?" It would be so much easier. Football does a good job of having specific rules, the refs just suck. Baseball has fairly obscure rules with better umps to be honest. I think both sports could learn from each other. Hockey however has the best refs - it's rare you watch a hockey game and go "WHAT A TERRIBLE CALL!!!" "STUPID RULE!!!"
I thought that motion of him leaning in towards the plate, to see better, constituted the forward motion. It feels like he was going forward then retracted. I could see a balk being called. But then, don’t they have the replay? Have them challenge the ruling.
@@neftalimora4650 Replay doesn't work on balks. There are specific criteria you can ask for a review. It's sort of stupid. I think they did that on purpose because they know some of the rules can be "interpreted" differently.
It’s a start/stop balk, because he started to come up into his set motion and stepped off while still moving up. He should have come all the way up, stopped, then stepped off. It’s a balk all day long.
Yup, I 100% agree with you on this one.
I was going to post a similar explanation until I saw your comment.
That's not what a start stop balk is. You can't balk when you aren't in set stance, since there's physically no way to deceive the runner
@@iceman5117 It’s technically not a balk to deceive the runner, it’s more of a balk to prevent a pitchers movement from getting sloppy.
Honestly it’s one of those things where it can go either way, but when the game is close like that, they’ve gotta award a base.
@@korbinlacy1007 what are you even talking about? The balk rules exist solely to prevent the pitcher from decieving runners. Outside of that, who gives a solitary shit how the pitcher looks on the plate?
I just realized he said he started comin to home, but the ball was still in his glove 😂😂😂😂
thanks Jomboy. very informative.