What a precious contribution in the most important issue of NOW: trauma aund healing - thank u so much for loading it up, thank u for this precious work you're doing with that!
My Father survived 26 months of Auschwitz and was used as an electrician as was his trade. I was born the same year as Maya but in Communist Romania at the time therefore suffering even more trauma at the hands of the regime at the time. My Father tried hard to be a good father and he succeeded in making me strong and resilient in face of adversity. He has passed away in 1997 in Canada after having continued his so called exodus from oppression for my sake until 1974 when we arrived in Canada and I was finally allowed to face and heal my trans generational trauma and my own PTSD from traumas inflicted on me just for the sake of being a survivor's daughter.The trauma continued when our Family was literally sold to Israel by the Romanian regime and the Israeli nation put us to good use in their always imminent war state by drafting and training us to be killers further traumatizing an already frail teenage individual. Therefore the exodus continued out of Israel and the so called Jewish land and away from even more trauma. We ended up in Canada and only here am I able to start putting my broken life together. My children and Grandchildren are all in a way affected by all the trauma that our family lived through so far. I am hoping that this kind of open communication will some day help end trauma and especially trans generational trauma.
Thanks for your wonderful comment Katalin further to your own experiences as a 'holocaust survivor child' (I forget the, I think, German term for that), while it really beggars belief that no one has sought to respond to your testimony further to it being now two years old! This You Tuber is an extremely important one (even if I have to say that I'm a bit sceptical of Thomas Hubl further to his 'Yogi' style, and complete 'new age' charlatans like Caroline Myss), while Anita Lasker-Wallfisch must surely be among the truly greatest of women (with her still being happily with us further to her 95th birthday in July) living in the world today, with her putting 'moral pretender', self-important frauds like Oprah Winfrey or Hillary Clinton into real perspective. Inter-generational trauma is an extremely underestimated dynamic within the pysch. profession given my therapist guise, while being one that drives neurosis nowadays in a way that the Ancient Greeks knew all to well about. For now, I'm waiting for an academic paper that relates the family experience of the holocaust to that of, say, Aeschylus's 'Oresteia', while perhaps the excellent Maya can now help with that!? With greetings from Australia, and my thanks again, while very best wishes to you and your family. P.S. Further to the 'paper' mention, there is of course Francoise Davoine's majestic tome, 'History Beyond Trauma'.
This was really good. Thank you for sharing it. I've heard Anita speak but never her daughter. It's a very important subject and very brave of both women to share their trauma.
My mother was born in the same year as Anita, I was born in the same year as her daughter. It helps to hear about the 'hierarchy of suffering' and about the hyperarousal I carry and it seems my daughter even worse. 'Everything can suddenly change....' there's no words, just a sense....a possibility...not even looming... just there..... It has a different cause, a Dutch family saving 3 people's life by giving them a 'safe' space in their house for the last 1,5 years of WWII. 14 years later I was born in the room where they stayed and survived. But everybody could have been killed in an instant of carelessness or betrayal.... It is 'of course' not high in the 'hierarchy of suffering', this suffering, as 'nothing happened'. I am trying to allow to feel it anyway without feeling guilty. Thank you for listening.
A lot happened to your family. 1,5 years they lived in constant fear of being discovered and transported to a deathcamp. That is a lot to carry around. It is okay to be affected by that family history. I also think that the reaction of Maya, when she was visiting the different places of her mother's journey was a natural one. What Germans did to the Jews and other groups of people was so horrendous. Realising that your parent has gone through such an ordeal should affect you emotionally, I believe.
Being born in 1942 in Holland it is almost impossible to thínk and hear about the experiences of these women. How to cope with humanity, human beings. And oh, how I recognize what the daughter says about talks from heart to heart and to be wanted!
this was sooo profound for me to feel these women escort their realities into a shared and beautiful space held by thomas' gentle tone. my horrible torturous childhood found a kinship here in this conversation. i could acknowledge my terror. currently, i am helping my silent mother die. she is numb to my pain too. this helped me accept her, but also promise myself to never deny my suffering ever again.
markusEuro: schmerzhaft indeed. Das ist auch der Grund, warum so viele Deutsche das Thema scheuen-es tut weh zu hören, dass Deine Großväter/mütter wie auch immer involviert waren in dieses große politische Verbrechen called Nationalsozialism.
I don't know if I am off topic, however this is what I sense and also there is a lot correlating with me, so I may express. My greatest respect and love to all of you, for your braveness, openness, strength and heart. I see two different cultures actually in the mother and the daughter, and some say that generations are kind of different cultures. In addition to that it's two completely different characters, only by their way of sitting(/body language) you can see it. :) Consciously or unconsciously Anita seems to be more German than she would probably like to and Maya seems to be let's say more of a mediterrenean type of Jew or simply person, which even more means two different mentalities. Beside her horrible path she went through, Anita also was raised in a mechanical era. Maya being definetely a more sensitive and emotional and somehow more female-like person, obviously gained her strength in finding somehow a suitable challenger and teacher in her mother as there was no way but dealing with it/her and they found their way, as you can see their personal discrepancies, however also their great love and bond and individual care for and with eachother (which is not often the case in that constellation). I also find it extremely brave and important that Maya is communicating that England is not her base culture or ground and that she is reaching therefore for others. I think and I know this is very important in general for cultural integration and also for the related topics, that integration in the first place has to do with your roots or finding shelter and lets say resonance in what is yours and this I am addressing to the new country/society and also to parents. It is the parent's story and experience and hurt, and as Anita says in the end and in the details there are no generalizations if you take a closer look, it is not the endless typical Jew neither is it the German or whatever stereotype, so there is a danger in the victim actually continuing/carrying the trauma along, so I think here they need help from a new society, so that the children (which they actually want to be kept away from such) can go their free and own way. I have a non-Jewish-related story, however I found it misleading to have partly my heritage or people from there being like less preferred and on the other hand being raised with common traditions and behaviour guide from there which was different from the new country. And I had great identity (back then mostly unconsciously) difficulties or rather gaps. It was their story and with all due respect to parents especially in these kind of circumstances, also parenthood needs to be learned, however with these background you are kind of causing additional traumas to children when wanting them to live your preferences and your "life colours" especially related to identity, which has to do with home, with heart and with warmth and with nourishment. Another point was different with me, as I somehow felt kind of upset when I realized what was going on and what had happened to and within a whole folk. There were all kind of jokes, till one day I realized they had never been jokes, but had come out of real happenigs. Maybe you are right, it was the better way for a child - maybe in this case better later then sooner, however I wish they would have taken me serious and would have spoken openly that these concretely had happened, not through puzzles and one day you know because it's been accumulated more then enough puzzle pieces but somehow you never have spoken about it, it's like a silent knowledge everybody knows and now expect you it to be normal that you know it withouth having gone through an appropriate process of getting to know it. To the people who want to know how this can be expressed personally from the victim or transcarrying generations, you can join a kind of "sangha" or for women a Dakini-group, so basically a gathering of people where you have the opportunity to express whatever, and the others simply listen. Also I think you can write sth down - (it doesnt matter if you keep the writings, or show it to others) - as you said it is about witnessing, I believe at least or also the witnessing of/by yourself is important and healing. Thank you! Love and I want to say that I am really touched by the greathearted "after" generations with whatever past and from whatever side - it has no relevance in the end it is what we make out of it. And I want to correct something: Was Hänschen lernt, kann Hans (wie auch Gretchen :) ) sehr wohl auch lernen! Alles Liebe
Also I want to add, what helped me first even realize it (only a few years ago) also being a trauma (and so starting to healing and also distancing from it or by transforming it) and also with what it had to do in a personal and broader sense. It has to do with power and powerlessness (Macht und Ohnmacht). It's been power taken away from you (with you I mean you and your ancestors, so all related generations) or misused/abused. And for the traumainheritedgenerations it is or can be the state of powerlessness (somehow in your whole life and in doing things, and maybe even contrary to your personality, even given it you being a very strong one). IT IS good to have power and be powerful in/within and from each and every of your cells, which also means enjoying life and living it fully and in and with fullness. Please don't misunderstand, Anita is a great example and teacher in gaining resilience. I am rather addressing the ones who may be (partly) unconscious about this. And this powerlessness can also cause health issues and a kind of paralization in living life. So take back your power and your life. It is beautiful and you are beautiful and you are beautifully shining. Love
It is now December 2022. Your words have touched me. I am the descendent of a very damaged Viennese Jew and a damaged north American indigenous person. Neither talked about their history but taught me their distrust, fear and hatred. My own life path has been painful and I was unable to show my children the love they deserved. I am now seeing my grandchildren and great grandchildren still being damaged. I was a mute child and now that I am old no one cares to listen.
What a precious contribution in the most important issue of NOW: trauma aund healing - thank u so much for loading it up, thank u for this precious work you're doing with that!
My Father survived 26 months of Auschwitz and was used as an electrician as was his trade. I was born the same year as Maya but in Communist Romania at the time therefore suffering even more trauma at the hands of the regime at the time. My Father tried hard to be a good father and he succeeded in making me strong and resilient in face of adversity. He has passed away in 1997 in Canada after having continued his so called exodus from oppression for my sake until 1974 when we arrived in Canada and I was finally allowed to face and heal my trans generational trauma and my own PTSD from traumas inflicted on me just for the sake of being a survivor's daughter.The trauma continued when our Family was literally sold to Israel by the Romanian regime and the Israeli nation put us to good use in their always imminent war state by drafting and training us to be killers further traumatizing an already frail teenage individual. Therefore the exodus continued out of Israel and the so called Jewish land and away from even more trauma. We ended up in Canada and only here am I able to start putting my broken life together. My children and Grandchildren are all in a way affected by all the trauma that our family lived through so far. I am hoping that this kind of open communication will some day help end trauma and especially trans generational trauma.
Thanks for your wonderful comment Katalin further to your own experiences as a 'holocaust survivor child' (I forget the, I think, German term for that), while it really beggars belief that no one has sought to respond to your testimony further to it being now two years old! This You Tuber is an extremely important one (even if I have to say that I'm a bit sceptical of Thomas Hubl further to his 'Yogi' style, and complete 'new age' charlatans like Caroline Myss), while Anita Lasker-Wallfisch must surely be among the truly greatest of women (with her still being happily with us further to her 95th birthday in July) living in the world today, with her putting 'moral pretender', self-important frauds like Oprah Winfrey or Hillary Clinton into real perspective. Inter-generational trauma is an extremely underestimated dynamic within the pysch. profession given my therapist guise, while being one that drives neurosis nowadays in a way that the Ancient Greeks knew all to well about. For now, I'm waiting for an academic paper that relates the family experience of the holocaust to that of, say, Aeschylus's 'Oresteia', while perhaps the excellent Maya can now help with that!? With greetings from Australia, and my thanks again, while very best wishes to you and your family. P.S. Further to the 'paper' mention, there is of course Francoise Davoine's majestic tome, 'History Beyond Trauma'.
@@killmrdarcy4367 how exactly does youe personal memory get transmitted to your offspring? radio? voodoo?
This was really good. Thank you for sharing it. I've heard Anita speak but never her daughter. It's a very important subject and very brave of both women to share their trauma.
Two truly amazing women
I really like both these ladies
It is most important to hear more and more information about this issue for as many people as possible to learn the truth.
Thank you for this important talk
Thank you so much for courageously sharing this. It's so important, I wish everyone was paying attention to the lessons of the past.
My mother was born in the same year as Anita, I was born in the same year as her daughter.
It helps to hear about the 'hierarchy of suffering' and about the hyperarousal I carry and it seems my daughter even worse. 'Everything can suddenly change....'
there's no words, just a sense....a possibility...not even looming... just there.....
It has a different cause, a Dutch family saving 3 people's life by giving them a 'safe' space in their house for the last 1,5 years of WWII. 14 years later I was born in the room where they stayed and survived. But everybody could have been killed in an instant of carelessness or betrayal....
It is 'of course' not high in the 'hierarchy of suffering', this suffering, as 'nothing happened'. I am trying to allow to feel it anyway without feeling guilty.
Thank you for listening.
It's also okay to process in private. If "nothing happened," then there's no intergenerational trauma.
A lot happened to your family. 1,5 years they lived in constant fear of being discovered and transported to a deathcamp. That is a lot to carry around. It is okay to be affected by that family history. I also think that the reaction of Maya, when she was visiting the different places of her mother's journey was a natural one. What Germans did to the Jews and other groups of people was so horrendous. Realising that your parent has gone through such an ordeal should affect you emotionally, I believe.
Jewish people are a unique culture nationality in the world
Being born in 1942 in Holland it is almost impossible to thínk and hear about the experiences of these women. How to cope with humanity, human beings. And oh, how I recognize what the daughter says about talks from heart to heart and to be wanted!
Thank you so much!
this was sooo profound for me to feel these women escort their realities into a shared and beautiful space held by thomas' gentle tone. my horrible torturous childhood found a kinship here in this conversation. i could acknowledge my terror. currently, i am helping my silent mother die. she is numb to my pain too. this helped me accept her, but also promise myself to never deny my suffering ever again.
schmerzhaft
markusEuro: schmerzhaft indeed. Das ist auch der Grund, warum so viele Deutsche das Thema scheuen-es tut weh zu hören, dass Deine Großväter/mütter wie auch immer involviert waren in dieses große politische Verbrechen called Nationalsozialism.
I don't know if I am off topic, however this is what I sense and also there is a lot correlating with me, so I may express. My greatest respect and love to all of you, for your braveness, openness, strength and heart. I see two different cultures actually in the mother and the daughter, and some say that generations are kind of different cultures. In addition to that it's two completely different characters, only by their way of sitting(/body language) you can see it. :) Consciously or unconsciously Anita seems to be more German than she would probably like to and Maya seems to be let's say more of a mediterrenean type of Jew or simply person, which even more means two different mentalities. Beside her horrible path she went through, Anita also was raised in a mechanical era. Maya being definetely a more sensitive and emotional and somehow more female-like person, obviously gained her strength in finding somehow a suitable challenger and teacher in her mother as there was no way but dealing with it/her and they found their way, as you can see their personal discrepancies, however also their great love and bond and individual care for and with eachother (which is not often the case in that constellation). I also find it extremely brave and important that Maya is communicating that England is not her base culture or ground and that she is reaching therefore for others. I think and I know this is very important in general for cultural integration and also for the related topics, that integration in the first place has to do with your roots or finding shelter and lets say resonance in what is yours and this I am addressing to the new country/society and also to parents. It is the parent's story and experience and hurt, and as Anita says in the end and in the details there are no generalizations if you take a closer look, it is not the endless typical Jew neither is it the German or whatever stereotype, so there is a danger in the victim actually continuing/carrying the trauma along, so I think here they need help from a new society, so that the children (which they actually want to be kept away from such) can go their free and own way. I have a non-Jewish-related story, however I found it misleading to have partly my heritage or people from there being like less preferred and on the other hand being raised with common traditions and behaviour guide from there which was different from the new country. And I had great identity (back then mostly unconsciously) difficulties or rather gaps. It was their story and with all due respect to parents especially in these kind of circumstances, also parenthood needs to be learned, however with these background you are kind of causing additional traumas to children when wanting them to live your preferences and your "life colours" especially related to identity, which has to do with home, with heart and with warmth and with nourishment. Another point was different with me, as I somehow felt kind of upset when I realized what was going on and what had happened to and within a whole folk. There were all kind of jokes, till one day I realized they had never been jokes, but had come out of real happenigs. Maybe you are right, it was the better way for a child - maybe in this case better later then sooner, however I wish they would have taken me serious and would have spoken openly that these concretely had happened, not through puzzles and one day you know because it's been accumulated more then enough puzzle pieces but somehow you never have spoken about it, it's like a silent knowledge everybody knows and now expect you it to be normal that you know it withouth having gone through an appropriate process of getting to know it. To the people who want to know how this can be expressed personally from the victim or transcarrying generations, you can join a kind of "sangha" or for women a Dakini-group, so basically a gathering of people where you have the opportunity to express whatever, and the others simply listen. Also I think you can write sth down - (it doesnt matter if you keep the writings, or show it to others) - as you said it is about witnessing, I believe at least or also the witnessing of/by yourself is important and healing. Thank you! Love and I want to say that I am really touched by the greathearted "after" generations with whatever past and from whatever side - it has no relevance in the end it is what we make out of it. And I want to correct something: Was Hänschen lernt, kann Hans (wie auch Gretchen :) ) sehr wohl auch lernen! Alles Liebe
Also I want to add, what helped me first even realize it (only a few years ago) also being a trauma (and so starting to healing and also distancing from it or by transforming it) and also with what it had to do in a personal and broader sense. It has to do with power and powerlessness (Macht und Ohnmacht). It's been power taken away from you (with you I mean you and your ancestors, so all related generations) or misused/abused. And for the traumainheritedgenerations it is or can be the state of powerlessness (somehow in your whole life and in doing things, and maybe even contrary to your personality, even given it you being a very strong one). IT IS good to have power and be powerful in/within and from each and every of your cells, which also means enjoying life and living it fully and in and with fullness. Please don't misunderstand, Anita is a great example and teacher in gaining resilience. I am rather addressing the ones who may be (partly) unconscious about this. And this powerlessness can also cause health issues and a kind of paralization in living life. So take back your power and your life. It is beautiful and you are beautiful and you are beautifully shining. Love
It is now December 2022. Your words have touched me. I am the descendent of a very damaged Viennese Jew and a damaged north American indigenous person. Neither talked about their history but taught me their distrust, fear and hatred. My own life path has been painful and I was unable to show my children the love they deserved. I am now seeing my grandchildren and great grandchildren still being damaged.
I was a mute child and now that I am old no one cares to listen.