When you’re considered worse than Maegor the Cruel and Aegon II/Rhaenyra, the monarchs that caused the extinction of the dragons, you know you’re a special kind of a horrible peace of work.
Naerys Targaryen was extremely pious. The only reason she wasn't a septa was cause of her marriage to Aegon. I think it would be very out of character for her to be super down with adultery. Aemon was kings guard and took his vows very seriously, and I assume he wouldn't be selective about which vows to honor. Nearys was also very frail and never wanted children, aemon would not subject his sister to the same abuse Aegon did and force her to carry his child. Even if she did want to, Aemon loved her and wouldn't want to risk her life for a hypothetical bastard that would get them executed.
oh he 100% knew what he was doing. I could understand him just legitimising Daemon if he truly did believe Daeron was not his son, but legitimising every single one. He knew that would unleash sheet chaos.
I might be in a minority (not sure where the fandom at large stands on this topic), but I think Dearon was, in fact, son of Naerys and Aegon, whether he liked it or not. Naerys was more suited to be a septa and doesn't strike me as a cheating type. I believe her frail constitution made Aemon very protective of her, which could look like his siblings ganging up on him to the King. Plus, he simply didn't like them as people. Naerys was quiet and pious, and Aemon, brave worrior, loyal to a fault and honouring his Kingsguard vowes to his death.
I don't think she cheated. AT ALL. I think she didn't even want to have romantic relationships, and knowing she was fragile and how Aegon would have no respect for her, Aemon probably was terrified for his darling sister as Naerys wound have a horrible future either way: Aegon would not respect her and would continue to abuse her for years or she would die giving birth... He probably wanted her to have a better life, but it was beyond him to save her 😢
People get caught up with the naerys and aemon being the true parents of daeron because Daemon blackfire being true born heir of the kingdom but declared a bastard and having to fight for his right to the throne yet tragically fails and his decendents tragically fail in each of their attempts as well makes the story more cinematic and poetic but thats not how george writes. George doesnt really do the romantic fantasy king in exile heros journey trope. I think aegon the IV was a terrible man who created instability and people used that instability for their own advantage like they always do.
@incoherentrambling3139. Did you just brain fart the main story or something lol. No matter their “true” birth you just described three of the main characters in Dany, Jon and Faegon and then claimed George doesn’t write them. Or maybe you’re being sarcastic and it went over my head I’m no Drax the destroyer lol
@@Prometeu21 to be fair he probably wasn’t called “the unworthy” while he was alive and for sure not while he was king. At least to his face or off with their head lol
Aegon the IV is a king I really want to see, the gluttonous mad fool that he was. He sealed the fate of house by just not giving a thought of another ones thoughts or feelings at all More than any other Targaryen before… This video being almost an hour is something to behold cause his reign seems like it’s full of scandals and follys. Especially his legitimacy of his bastard Daemon Waters I can’t thank you enough for what you do breaking down these characters
Word, if you’re a king who legitimizes his bastard son on his deathbed, especially if the bastard is older you’re basically saying fuck everyone else I’m dying and want to take as many people with me as possible. Dude was peak shitty king like as bad as bad gets. If you google shitty king this asshole is the first face you see. There so many kings who led civil wars, sparked rebellions, bankrupted the realm and starting civil unrest and they aren’t nearly as bad as this used piss covered toilet seat of a character.
I’ve been watching this dude on and off for a few years now and honestly I feel like he should have more subscribers. He makes really good and informative videos
One question that is not quite relevant to the subject of the video, how to distinguish Aemon and Aemond in spoken language? I mean, what the different in pronouncing the names?
i actually had an issue with this for a while and is noticeable in some of my early Dance Of The Dragons videos. I actually went back a listened to the fire and blood audiobook for some help. basically for me at least i go with Aemon as in mon like Pokemon. With Aemoned the same but with an added hard d at the end Aemon-ed. It's very a subtle difference and easy to see why people get confused.
It’s cause Baelor the Blessed was king that Aegon the Unworthy never married Daena was it? Cause Baelor refuse anyone who seek his sisters’s hands in marriage.
At some point yes. However all the original files are long gone, and honestly some of the early ones are very old now and not really at the quality level i want to put out. Namely audio and my delivery. So i'm planning on remaking the Jaehaerys videos, i'm just not sure what that looks like yet. Individual videos replacing the old ones or a single big new one. Given the length of Jaehaerys reign and how much content we're talking about i might break it up into the different eras of his reign. But long story short, in some form it will happen.
I'll be honest, I don't believe the rumors about Aemon and Naerys because why wouldn't Aegon just have them executed or exiled? I mean, we know he had no love for them, and if it's true they did have an affair and tried to pass their bastard off as his heir, he would've been justified by the courts of Westeros. We know he's not above it, given Barbra and Torrence, and he could've just remarried Daena or named a bastard as heir.
Yea people never talk about her and her children for some reason but she is a big deal in braavos my head cannon is that she wanted to keep her children to herself in braavos and that's why we don't hear much about the family, but seeing as they were legitimized once the son of Bellegere had sons and they had sons I think they'd be considered targaryen
@@WorldOfWesteros that’s perfect I just ordered the dunk and eggs books since I saw a couple days ago the HBO will cover them but I don’t know if they will base it off the books or just do another season 8..thanks for help and info I love watching these little clips
I always thought that it could be that any hints of legitimacy or illegitimacy of Aegons firstborn son hold the keys to who may end up on the Throne in the books, or at least the only person with a true claim. If Demon Blackfyre is the eldest legit heir to Aegon, then that would make both Jon and Danyreas pretenders. This would make Young Griff the most likely Blackfyre heir, and he could end up being the one true heir to the throne.
I am of the camp that thinks the rumours about Daeron ARE in fact true. The more "Perfect someone seems" the darker their secrets are in George world. Aemon and Naerys are simply to perfect. Bloodraven Zeal about destroy the Blackfyre makes no sense. And given that there were never rumours about Daenerys and as weird as it sounds Aegon IV did "dote" (Or what was the closest term for him) on his children, to me it hints that he DID know the truth but could not probe it.
Naerys Targaryen was extremely pious. The only reason she wasn't a septa was cause of her marriage to Aegon. I think it would be very out of character for her to be super down with adultery. Aemon was kings guard and took his vows very seriously, and I assume he wouldn't be selective about which vows to honor. Nearys was also very frail and never wanted children, aemon would not subject his sister to the same abuse Aegon did and force her to carry his child. Even if she did want to, Aemon loved her and wouldn't want to risk her life for a hypothetical bastard that would get them executed.
@@dylanrock5979 It is NOT out of character. Because we have NEVER read a PoV of Naerys. Naerys is a HISTORICAL character. Whatever she did is unknwon to us. And in the actual Saga, the "cleaner" a character seems, the darker are their secrets. All of this applies to Aemon as well.
@@facundogonza5740 bro that's like saying we don't know if Jesus was real. Every account of her says she was pious. She was the queen so she was the most well documented person in the land next to her husband. We KNOW because there's no ambiguity about her religion. She wore a vail in all her portraits, she dressed plainly, and she barely wore her crown. All things that are canon. Also u don't need a PoV to know a character. Cersi didn't get a PoV till late in the series Also what about Ned? He's the opposite of what u just said. He was cleaner than what everyone thought
@@facundogonza5740 if u read a story about how Alexander the Great pooped himself and attempted/failed Japanese ritual suicide, would u not also say that feels out of character?
@@facundogonza5740 also unlike Fire and Blood, what we know of Naerys either comes from GRRM or what he wants us to know about her. Fire and Blood used 3 unreliable narrators to drive home the fact that the dance was more so an era than a story. What we have on Naerys all comes from a World of Ice and Fire and that book is more so an encyclopedia than a history book.
@@leeshropshire6346 I used to think that Orys was the only Targaryen with black hair, but when Aegon IV had a son with black hair, my view changed. It seems that it takes generations for the Targaryens to give birth to a boy with black hair, and I think it is Jon Snow.
When you’re considered worse than Maegor the Cruel and Aegon II/Rhaenyra, the monarchs that caused the extinction of the dragons, you know you’re a special kind of a horrible peace of work.
How did Maegor contribute to the extinction of dragons?
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He meant Aegon II/Rhaenyra in terms of the loss of Dragons
That said, Maegor too was disastrous, just in a different way
Maegor actually saved the lineage that would create the prince that was promised. Remember the early dragon rulers knew about the prophecy
meagor is called cruel for murdering his nephew not for killing the faithful.@@HaroldTheHerald
@@deacondank6249well he did kill a dragon so he did contribute
Naerys Targaryen was extremely pious. The only reason she wasn't a septa was cause of her marriage to Aegon. I think it would be very out of character for her to be super down with adultery.
Aemon was kings guard and took his vows very seriously, and I assume he wouldn't be selective about which vows to honor.
Nearys was also very frail and never wanted children, aemon would not subject his sister to the same abuse Aegon did and force her to carry his child. Even if she did want to, Aemon loved her and wouldn't want to risk her life for a hypothetical bastard that would get them executed.
I choose to believe Aegon legitimized all his children in order to fuck shit up as much as possible without having to deal with the consequences
oh he 100% knew what he was doing. I could understand him just legitimising Daemon if he truly did believe Daeron was not his son, but legitimising every single one. He knew that would unleash sheet chaos.
I might be in a minority (not sure where the fandom at large stands on this topic), but I think Dearon was, in fact, son of Naerys and Aegon, whether he liked it or not. Naerys was more suited to be a septa and doesn't strike me as a cheating type. I believe her frail constitution made Aemon very protective of her, which could look like his siblings ganging up on him to the King. Plus, he simply didn't like them as people. Naerys was quiet and pious, and Aemon, brave worrior, loyal to a fault and honouring his Kingsguard vowes to his death.
I don't think she cheated. AT ALL.
I think she didn't even want to have romantic relationships, and knowing she was fragile and how Aegon would have no respect for her, Aemon probably was terrified for his darling sister as Naerys wound have a horrible future either way: Aegon would not respect her and would continue to abuse her for years or she would die giving birth... He probably wanted her to have a better life, but it was beyond him to save her 😢
People get caught up with the naerys and aemon being the true parents of daeron because Daemon blackfire being true born heir of the kingdom but declared a bastard and having to fight for his right to the throne yet tragically fails and his decendents tragically fail in each of their attempts as well makes the story more cinematic and poetic but thats not how george writes. George doesnt really do the romantic fantasy king in exile heros journey trope. I think aegon the IV was a terrible man who created instability and people used that instability for their own advantage like they always do.
@incoherentrambling3139. Did you just brain fart the main story or something lol. No matter their “true” birth you just described three of the main characters in Dany, Jon and Faegon and then claimed George doesn’t write them. Or maybe you’re being sarcastic and it went over my head I’m no Drax the destroyer lol
Yeah, Daeron was legit the true king and heir to the throne, like, how can people trust in something said by Aegon IV the Unworthy of all people?
@@Prometeu21 to be fair he probably wasn’t called “the unworthy” while he was alive and for sure not while he was king. At least to his face or off with their head lol
Aegon the IV is a king I really want to see, the gluttonous mad fool that he was.
He sealed the fate of house by just not giving a thought of another ones thoughts or feelings at all
More than any other Targaryen before…
This video being almost an hour is something to behold cause his reign seems like it’s full of scandals and follys.
Especially his legitimacy of his bastard Daemon Waters
I can’t thank you enough for what you do breaking down these characters
Word, if you’re a king who legitimizes his bastard son on his deathbed, especially if the bastard is older you’re basically saying fuck everyone else I’m dying and want to take as many people with me as possible. Dude was peak shitty king like as bad as bad gets. If you google shitty king this asshole is the first face you see. There so many kings who led civil wars, sparked rebellions, bankrupted the realm and starting civil unrest and they aren’t nearly as bad as this used piss covered toilet seat of a character.
Lol imagine Bobby D but even more gluttonous and repulsive. I wonder how they would adapt it to the big screen
He is the Westarosi version of Henry VIII, but more honestly portrayed.
@Kobukseon, definitely.
Aegon 4 and maegor are basically Henry 8 turned into 2 characters.
@@thatoneblackdude3333 Maegor was Ivan the terrible
@@equusquaggaquagga536 nah he's Henry 8 with his multiple wives.
@@thatoneblackdude3333 Ivan had so many wives that the patriarch refused to bless the marriages
First to take the Black 🖤❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
King Aegon IV= Henry VIII of course! Except Aegon could actually sire healthy sons 😅
Baelor was Aegon’s cousin wasn’t he? Their dads were brothers
yep. Aegon iv's dad was Viserys ii who was the brother was Aegon iii who's son was Baelor, so they were cousins
Hail King Daemon Blackfyre he who bore The Sword of Kings and his Loyal brother Bittersteel.
Watching aegon the 4ths story is a mirror to henry the 8th. Lived the same way and died the same way.
Poor Naerys. She was basically forcibly r@ped by her brother for decades.
This series of vids are awesome, great work dude 👏
I’ve been watching this dude on and off for a few years now and honestly I feel like he should have more subscribers. He makes really good and informative videos
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So Aegon IV is George IV as far as history goes.. love how GRRM parallels like that
I think it’s clear daeron was a bastard but that shouldn’t be a bad thing, it’s the grrm take on almost all the bastards
One question that is not quite relevant to the subject of the video, how to distinguish Aemon and Aemond in spoken language? I mean, what the different in pronouncing the names?
i actually had an issue with this for a while and is noticeable in some of my early Dance Of The Dragons videos. I actually went back a listened to the fire and blood audiobook for some help. basically for me at least i go with Aemon as in mon like Pokemon. With Aemoned the same but with an added hard d at the end Aemon-ed. It's very a subtle difference and easy to see why people get confused.
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It’s cause Baelor the Blessed was king that Aegon the Unworthy never married Daena was it? Cause Baelor refuse anyone who seek his sisters’s hands in marriage.
It’s like that great line by Daniel Day Lewis, “A bastard in a Butterwell!!”
Comely is pronounced come-ly btw. love your video's!!
Does this mean we'll get a video combining all the Jaehaerys videos?
At some point yes. However all the original files are long gone, and honestly some of the early ones are very old now and not really at the quality level i want to put out. Namely audio and my delivery. So i'm planning on remaking the Jaehaerys videos, i'm just not sure what that looks like yet. Individual videos replacing the old ones or a single big new one. Given the length of Jaehaerys reign and how much content we're talking about i might break it up into the different eras of his reign. But long story short, in some form it will happen.
I'll be honest, I don't believe the rumors about Aemon and Naerys because why wouldn't Aegon just have them executed or exiled? I mean, we know he had no love for them, and if it's true they did have an affair and tried to pass their bastard off as his heir, he would've been justified by the courts of Westeros. We know he's not above it, given Barbra and Torrence, and he could've just remarried Daena or named a bastard as heir.
All I heard about Bellegere is that she's black and hence cannot be counted as a noble. Nettles was also painted as a filthy low commoner.
Yea people never talk about her and her children for some reason but she is a big deal in braavos my head cannon is that she wanted to keep her children to herself in braavos and that's why we don't hear much about the family, but seeing as they were legitimized once the son of Bellegere had sons and they had sons I think they'd be considered targaryen
But it's not because she's black tho he explains the rumors qt the end
You forgot to mention Bloodraven personal sigil
Where did you get this information from? I can’t seem to find anything that goes beyond the fire and blood book
The World Of Ice and Fire mostly with some tidbits from the main books.
Where can I read about the blackfyre or even just about aegon the unworthy
Most of the info comes from The World Of Ice and Fire, but the Dunk and Egg stories have quite a bit of Blackfyre info in them
@@WorldOfWesteros that’s perfect I just ordered the dunk and eggs books since I saw a couple days ago the HBO will cover them but I don’t know if they will base it off the books or just do another season 8..thanks for help and info I love watching these little clips
Aegon the 4th is what Joffrey would have become. A mad, fat sadistic old man
"He can keep his tongue" 🗡 👅
Sad that sheira and brynden didn't have children
Aegon the Fourth was a horrible king. But at least he made sure his blood line won't die out.
If Griff is a Blackfire that would be epic and great story telling by George. Which he is known for.
If want to imagine Aegon IV Think Robert Baratheon but way more selfish and spiteful
Personal I think Aegon the fourth and Bobby B. Would have gotten on fabulously.
@@TraciPeteyforlife maybe at first but Robert was no coward and huge asshole.
@@MalikF15Stannis Baratheon would disagree with you..
@@mouse3872 lol stannis secretly admired his big bro
In fact, Robert Baratheon is a descendant of Aegon IV, through his grandmother Rhaelle.
Out-reproducing the white walkers is also a good strategy.
Basically Henry VIII
Can you do a video on house, umber?
will add it to the list
And yes, this will definitely be one day be adapted by HBO or some equivalent AI series generator.
I always thought that it could be that any hints of legitimacy or illegitimacy of Aegons firstborn son hold the keys to who may end up on the Throne in the books, or at least the only person with a true claim. If Demon Blackfyre is the eldest legit heir to Aegon, then that would make both Jon and Danyreas pretenders. This would make Young Griff the most likely Blackfyre heir, and he could end up being the one true heir to the throne.
Jon Snow : But am I a Targaryen?
To bad for team black 😮
Why ? Rheynerya son is king aegon 3 while aegon 2 died.
Excellent work on this!
I am of the camp that thinks the rumours about Daeron ARE in fact true.
The more "Perfect someone seems" the darker their secrets are in George world. Aemon and Naerys are simply to perfect.
Bloodraven Zeal about destroy the Blackfyre makes no sense.
And given that there were never rumours about Daenerys and as weird as it sounds Aegon IV did "dote" (Or what was the closest term for him) on his children, to me it hints that he DID know the truth but could not probe it.
Naerys Targaryen was extremely pious. The only reason she wasn't a septa was cause of her marriage to Aegon. I think it would be very out of character for her to be super down with adultery.
Aemon was kings guard and took his vows very seriously, and I assume he wouldn't be selective about which vows to honor.
Nearys was also very frail and never wanted children, aemon would not subject his sister to the same abuse Aegon did and force her to carry his child. Even if she did want to, Aemon loved her and wouldn't want to risk her life for a hypothetical bastard that would get them executed.
@@dylanrock5979 It is NOT out of character. Because we have NEVER read a PoV of Naerys.
Naerys is a HISTORICAL character. Whatever she did is unknwon to us.
And in the actual Saga, the "cleaner" a character seems, the darker are their secrets.
All of this applies to Aemon as well.
@@facundogonza5740 bro that's like saying we don't know if Jesus was real.
Every account of her says she was pious. She was the queen so she was the most well documented person in the land next to her husband.
We KNOW because there's no ambiguity about her religion. She wore a vail in all her portraits, she dressed plainly, and she barely wore her crown. All things that are canon.
Also u don't need a PoV to know a character. Cersi didn't get a PoV till late in the series
Also what about Ned? He's the opposite of what u just said. He was cleaner than what everyone thought
@@facundogonza5740 if u read a story about how Alexander the Great pooped himself and attempted/failed Japanese ritual suicide, would u not also say that feels out of character?
@@facundogonza5740 also unlike Fire and Blood, what we know of Naerys either comes from GRRM or what he wants us to know about her.
Fire and Blood used 3 unreliable narrators to drive home the fact that the dance was more so an era than a story.
What we have on Naerys all comes from a World of Ice and Fire and that book is more so an encyclopedia than a history book.
A key that can open every door is a master key while a lock that opens to every key is just a broken lock.
Bracken chicks are hot!
Its good to be king, i guess 😅
Where is Blackfire now?
Young Griff might be one or three are none that are yet relevant to the story
This is SOOOOOOO necessary for every asoiaf fan to understand. This will be on HBO in the next couple years. Bravo 👏🥹
Sounds like Robert Baratheon
Got to remember Robert was part Targaryen through his grandmother
@leeshroNot through his great-grandfather Orys, brother of Aegon the Conqueror pshire6346
@@عليياسر-ف4ن9ك yeah that’s correct tho I was also referring to his grandmother who was also a Targaryen
@@leeshropshire6346 I used to think that Orys was the only Targaryen with black hair, but when Aegon IV had a son with black hair, my view changed. It seems that it takes generations for the Targaryens to give birth to a boy with black hair, and I think it is Jon Snow.
My friend can you make a video on those houses who have more then one castle 🏰 westros
Will add it to the list.
Aegon the Gigachad 😎