I will never not be amazed by a full 5 axis machine. The math in the translations, on the fly I might add, is truly mind boggling. I machined 3 axis and 3+2 occasionally before college, and we spoke of full 5 axis like a dream. It's no longer "make chips" but "which part of the tool precisely do you want chips with?"
'Would you like medium chips or small chips...hot or cold?...Oh right, the tool has worn 0.2 tenthou...best compensate for that on the fly... or your medium hot chips will be too small'
I worked with German machines most of my carreer. Mostly Auerbach and in the early Days we had VDF. They are just awesome to work with, their high quality is unique. I love this machine! It's a piece of art.
I have sold high end equipment for 30 years and have never seen a better built machine! This machine is amazing, unbelievably reliable and accurate like you have never seen!
What do you think of the b axis being able to rotate both directions? You may be able to eak out a bit extra x axis in transformations in the 40-60 deg range if you have more x by the tool changer before you get to a soft limit. Semetrical transformations could have some advantages for some parts too. I run a DMU 90p duoblock which has the same kinematics and that's what i thought of off hand.
the loading and unloading bay should have automatic high preasure high volum spray down before it unlocks the door in order to completely remove all the leftover chips without the operator have to do it ( maybe even a giant fan in the top to flow the leftover coolent away after it have sprayed it down ) at least thats just in my mind btw when are you gonna visit the kitamura factory ? love to see you doing a factory tour of them
There was a cool AvE video where he had built a few custom tools to take advantage of through-spindle coolant and air. tool swap to a crimped piece of copper pipe in a collet. It traced a path around the part first with coolant to blow all the chips away (spinning of course...like any good pressure washer)...then with air to blow all the pockets dry.
@@frollard i know. i seen that one. it was just a idea for heller that they could use. that way the machine can clean the part well the spindle in doing work on the next part makeing more money insted of being stuck with cleaning parts ( basicly spindle constantly makes part well load and unlode cell cleans it automatic )
This is absolutely amazing! It’s clear that HELER keeps pushing forward and constantly improving their machines. In your opinion, which of the updated features in this model brings the most value to production?
So this will be close to 1 million euros. That much I know, but Titan, what are the repeated and trusted tolerances? Will it hold 5 microns on a 40 hour run? Please give us, the viewers the correct and intricate and true running details of this machine for instance in an auto-motive environment. Thank you.
Hey Titan... have you ever considered cryo-machining for working with your aerospace parts? What are your thoughts about that? Greetings from Zurich, Switzerland
Love Zürich … just stayed at the Storchen next to the river in Old Town in July. It looks Awesome… I personally have not used it but I have seen it in action. Definitely cool for specific applications
@@TITANSofCNC yeah the Storchen is located very nicely...have you seen the Roman ruins just next to it? Going up the stairs in the small alleyway...l assume you don't smoke cigars? Next time let me know... l'll show you around... l used to work briefliy for Red Bull Sauber, called that back in the days...the swiss formula 1 team... was the second youngest employee..only Felipe Massa was younger, our new testdriver and later world champion with Ferrari...hope to meet you one day...either here...or at one of your next boombastic-events
Beautiful machine, for sure! Attention to detail is fantastic! Cincinnati had a similar product 20+ years ago called Mega-5. Fives, the new owners of the old Cincinnati, still make a version of it called the HMC800. This Heller has it outclassed a bit though.
Heller is Fantastic, We have a H6000 from 2014 and it Run and Run and Run... Die you know the in Germany we call ,,Planzug,, Tool from Heller? Gretings from Bavaria.
@@Rimrock300 that's pretty absurd , that's over half price off. I talked to an Ellison salesman about 4 months ago and according to him a hsk100 with 40i n of x travel starts around 1.3 million USD.
That machine has to be between 750K and a million right? We just bought a haas EC400 with a 2 pallet changer system with some updates and it was 265K this machine is miles above obviously!
First thing i would do is fit some checker plate to the steps as the powder-coat will be the first thing to perish on those stairs! Then i would buy a big blanky and tuck it in every night and read it a bed time story, in other words i would treat that beauty better than my wife and kids!
At our shop we run Makino and Yasda but we also run bigger parts some as big a 1400mm x 1200mm by 140mm thick. and a few bigger all stainless steel. no aluminum. Beautiful machine though.
Nice millionaire look, Titan! You look good with your hair, beard, and glasses. I'll keep something like this look in mind for myself one day. 😁 As for the F6000! 😲 Ah hell! If I had that sucker, I'd build a fricken SPACESHIP, LEAVE EARTH, AND GO LIVE SOMEWHERE OUT THERE IN OUTER SPACE! HAHAHA! 🤣🤣
I think, Heller uses Waldrich Coburg machines to mill their cast iron frame bases. Like many Japanese manufacturers do, they using Waldrich Coburg to make big machines with gigantic Waldrich machines)) 🙄😁
Hermle is legit… but not on level. Grob is closest… but for the money and all that is wrapped in this machine. It’s definitely the best. Says all who has seen it.
Hermle uses monolithic epoxygranite frame base, if something goes wrong and it cracks - it just will be impossible to maintain that, needs new frame base. Heller uses cast iron base, all elements are independent and bolted together. If something broke- just unbolt it and replace with new one.
So the other day I heard a term used for precision in 3D printing Called borrow a tolerance example you have a printed part that is bending so you insert a steel ground pin to prevent it interesting idea in my line of work (3D printing molds for transfer molding silicone prototype parts ) I’ve also cnc machined some parts for the mold of a part for harder materials that crack during molding. #htm140v2 dlp printers #tormach440
@@TheDIMONART more rigid than a duo block? I’d have to see some proof of that. Seems that they have almost exactly replicated the Mori head here. Certainly not knocking Heller. But I don’t know anybody with a duo block or FD or whatever that says it isn’t rigid.
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I am sure the discount is more than I can afford.
I'm sure just the work holding rig is more than my house
I will never not be amazed by a full 5 axis machine. The math in the translations, on the fly I might add, is truly mind boggling. I machined 3 axis and 3+2 occasionally before college, and we spoke of full 5 axis like a dream.
It's no longer "make chips" but "which part of the tool precisely do you want chips with?"
'Would you like medium chips or small chips...hot or cold?...Oh right, the tool has worn 0.2 tenthou...best compensate for that on the fly... or your medium hot chips will be too small'
@@frollard dont forget at the same time its doing realtime collision detection
Yeah it's ok I guess, let me handwrite a program for it real quick. Cause I'm megamind
I’m always amazed by these modern and extremely fast machines.
Totally agree!
That little LED indicator for how much longer the G1 has to go, deserves a design award or something.
I worked with German machines most of my carreer. Mostly Auerbach and in the early Days we had VDF.
They are just awesome to work with, their high quality is unique.
I love this machine! It's a piece of art.
Heller: “We manufacture the greatest CNC Machine Tools.”
Yasda: “Hold my beer.”
GROB is the closest… but at the price, this F6000 is Insane
We got a quote for this machine and its almost double of a similar Mazak machine. Its very difficult for us to get over this huge price difference !
I once thought I’d be able to get a smaller one for hobby machining🥲
Oooh man i loved the way the head moved along with the work table. 👌 what a beaut
I have sold high end equipment for 30 years and have never seen a better built machine! This machine is amazing, unbelievably reliable and accurate like you have never seen!
fantastic design & workmanship !
Going with the best technology...adapt and evolve constantly, that's how you stay competitive and sustainable...never stop learning
Whenever l've visited swiss maching suppliers, l've asked them, why not imachining, why no pallet-changer, why no sister-tools for ghostshifts?
Incredible piece of engineering and technology! These things are insane!!
That light bar is would be so nice
What a sweet machine, Heller gets it 👏
What do you think of the b axis being able to rotate both directions? You may be able to eak out a bit extra x axis in transformations in the 40-60 deg range if you have more x by the tool changer before you get to a soft limit. Semetrical transformations could have some advantages for some parts too. I run a DMU 90p duoblock which has the same kinematics and that's what i thought of off hand.
Could you share with me how to clean or prevent the top of the machine from dust overtime ?
the loading and unloading bay should have automatic high preasure high volum spray down before it unlocks the door in order to completely remove all the leftover chips without the operator have to do it ( maybe even a giant fan in the top to flow the leftover coolent away after it have sprayed it down ) at least thats just in my mind
btw when are you gonna visit the kitamura factory ? love to see you doing a factory tour of them
There was a cool AvE video where he had built a few custom tools to take advantage of through-spindle coolant and air. tool swap to a crimped piece of copper pipe in a collet. It traced a path around the part first with coolant to blow all the chips away (spinning of course...like any good pressure washer)...then with air to blow all the pockets dry.
@@frollard i know. i seen that one. it was just a idea for heller that they could use. that way the machine can clean the part well the spindle in doing work on the next part makeing more money insted of being stuck with cleaning parts ( basicly spindle constantly makes part well load and unlode cell cleans it automatic )
This is absolutely amazing! It’s clear that HELER keeps pushing forward and constantly improving their machines. In your opinion, which of the updated features in this model brings the most value to production?
So this will be close to 1 million euros. That much I know, but Titan, what are the repeated and trusted tolerances? Will it hold 5 microns on a 40 hour run? Please give us, the viewers the correct and intricate and true running details of this machine for instance in an auto-motive environment. Thank you.
Amazing machine
I like watching youtube TITAN
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That's some pretty slick machine movement. Still trying to follow that path!
Hey Titan... have you ever considered cryo-machining for working with your aerospace parts? What are your thoughts about that? Greetings from Zurich, Switzerland
Love Zürich … just stayed at the Storchen next to the river in Old Town in July.
It looks Awesome… I personally have not used it but I have seen it in action. Definitely cool for specific applications
@@TITANSofCNC yeah the Storchen is located very nicely...have you seen the Roman ruins just next to it? Going up the stairs in the small alleyway...l assume you don't smoke cigars? Next time let me know... l'll show you around... l used to work briefliy for Red Bull Sauber, called that back in the days...the swiss formula 1 team... was the second youngest employee..only Felipe Massa was younger, our new testdriver and later world champion with Ferrari...hope to meet you one day...either here...or at one of your next boombastic-events
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@titansofcnc What about a "Hermle" Machine?.
Here in Italy ,Ferrari also has some of these machines , but it is almost impossible to see them in action...
You have to be on a waiting list to be approved, then maybe they will let you watch one in action 😂
@@lvxleather my place on the waiting list is always too far from the finish line 😭🔭
Beautiful machine, for sure! Attention to detail is fantastic!
Cincinnati had a similar product 20+ years ago called Mega-5. Fives, the new owners of the old Cincinnati, still make a version of it called the HMC800. This Heller has it outclassed a bit though.
So cool! I'm a newbie to the CNC world & I'm just amazed at the technology!
So exciting. Just wish I worked at a higher tech company.
Absolutely Insane!
Looks like the DMG Duo-block - almost exactly the same config. Same style head and FD table. Toolchanger looks almost identical as well.
Looks just like our dmc-125 fd
@@austinshupe9626 Nice, we have an 80fd, that's our biggest machine. Then we have two monoblock 65 FDs. Really great machines, but pricey
Crazy machine. Heller doesn't play around!
What is the torque at max rpm?
I've lived in studio apartments that weren't as roomy as this mill.
Crazy awesome
You should really need to look at WFL Mill turn technology @WFL
Heller is Fantastic,
We have a H6000 from 2014 and it Run and Run and Run...
Die you know the in Germany we call ,,Planzug,, Tool from Heller?
Gretings from Bavaria.
First?
But for real 2:27 that is absolutely insane.
My fadal would explode if I tried to upload the gcode
What year did they thibk about CNC ?
Maybe Droop+Rein, SIP, if we want to do some turning WFL
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TITÁN time to start using okumas !! Please
Insane, put a man on mars with that thing. 👍
How much price this machine
I also wonder is it under 1 million euros or over🤔
@@zyndapp800 ok
@@zyndapp800 over
5-600K euro, according to the Heller biz site
@@Rimrock300 that's pretty absurd , that's over half price off. I talked to an Ellison salesman about 4 months ago and according to him a hsk100 with 40i n of x travel starts around 1.3 million USD.
"Its all on discounted price" "its a great price" "price..." "...price" "price"
But what is the price!
When it does go wrong it must take some specialist knowledge to fix it.
They always invite people to crash them… so they can dust it off and keep going
You guys got anything on 3d printers using inkjet tech?
Heller top notch
Check out the DMG 100P Duoblock we have 3 of these bad boys and the are top tier.
That machine has to be between 750K and a million right? We just bought a haas EC400 with a 2 pallet changer system with some updates and it was 265K this machine is miles above obviously!
The industry is in an interesting place right now... Every MTB has stock that they are unable to move.
First thing i would do is fit some checker plate to the steps as the powder-coat will be the first thing to perish on those stairs! Then i would buy a big blanky and tuck it in every night and read it a bed time story, in other words i would treat that beauty better than my wife and kids!
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At our shop we run Makino and Yasda but we also run bigger parts some as big a 1400mm x 1200mm by 140mm thick. and a few bigger all stainless steel. no aluminum. Beautiful machine though.
It's cool I guess if you're into precision and what not.
Your effort is good. Now India has a good manufacturing hub. Super market for such cnc machins.
Nice millionaire look, Titan! You look good with your hair, beard, and glasses. I'll keep something like this look in mind for myself one day. 😁
As for the F6000! 😲 Ah hell! If I had that sucker, I'd build a fricken SPACESHIP, LEAVE EARTH, AND GO LIVE SOMEWHERE OUT THERE IN OUTER SPACE! HAHAHA! 🤣🤣
I think, Heller uses Waldrich Coburg machines to mill their cast iron frame bases. Like many Japanese manufacturers do, they using Waldrich Coburg to make big machines with gigantic Waldrich machines)) 🙄😁
Yep, I have features that machine… they also have some monster Hellers next to it
Unfortunately I don't think my father would let me have it in his garage
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Hermle be like: Am i a joke to you?
Hermle is legit… but not on level.
Grob is closest… but for the money and all that is wrapped in this machine. It’s definitely the best. Says all who has seen it.
Hermle uses monolithic epoxygranite frame base, if something goes wrong and it cracks - it just will be impossible to maintain that, needs new frame base. Heller uses cast iron base, all elements are independent and bolted together. If something broke- just unbolt it and replace with new one.
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What's the rough price range for this machine, anyone knows?
$million give or take, there is a smaller F5000 and then it goes up to a F16000
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It sure as hell isn't the biggest.
Why?
Because it doesn't say "Waldrich Coburg Taurus" on the type plate.
Only 20tons of machinery ;-)
Heller HF5500 looks better, though
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So the other day I heard a term used for precision in 3D printing Called borrow a tolerance example you have a printed part that is bending so you insert a steel ground pin to prevent it interesting idea in my line of work (3D printing molds for transfer molding silicone prototype parts ) I’ve also cnc machined some parts for the mold of a part for harder materials that crack during molding. #htm140v2 dlp printers #tormach440
Titan pleez use your charm to get the govt and rest of US manufacturing on 100% metric, we need to be competitive globally.
Not necessary stop whining
@@daveklein2826 stop living in the 18th century
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You surely never seean a Grob, a Burckhardt & Weber, a Starrag a SW a ....
Yep, seen them GROB is Awesome. As mentioned for the price, size, power, technology, speed, rigidity etc etc. This new version is Top Level.
Anyone else love grilled cheese? Bit random I know, just wondering.
And triple layered PB&J with Cold Whole Milk
@@TITANSofCNC Put your glass of milk in the freezer for like 10 minutes 👌
If it's halloumi then yes, absolutely love it.
Dies the hella make grilled cheese? If not its somewhat lacking in features.
DMG Mori better :)
Only someone who has never had a Heller says that. 😀
Im worked on Grob, DMG and Heller. Every of this machine are the same. This is the highest CNC level.
GROB is close but this New Heller is on a different level.
DMG Mori makes more impressive promo commercial with music and computer graphics, that's it. Heller is much more rigid built.
@@TheDIMONART more rigid than a duo block? I’d have to see some proof of that. Seems that they have almost exactly replicated the Mori head here. Certainly not knocking Heller. But I don’t know anybody with a duo block or FD or whatever that says it isn’t rigid.
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