JESUS HAD A TWIN BROTHER? | Q & A with Dr Bart Ehrman
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2024
- Hey Hunters,
By a stroke of luck with the Universe I got to chat to Dr Bart Ehrman, Bible & History Scholar. He is THE point of reference for letting you know the Historical accuracy and context of the Bible and Early Church.
He is running a webinar this Sunday 5th December all about the Historical Accuracy of the Nativity. Linked Below --
www.bartdehrman.com/did-the-c...
Also his UA-cam Page for your own research and entertainment - / bartdehrman
Happy Hunting!
JJ xx
#bible #jesus #ancienthistory #mary #nativity
I've seen many interviews with Dr Ehrman but I think this is the first interviewer with a sense of humor.
Well done.
It's because she has no interest in trying to tear him a new one.
I know the gospel of Thomas talks a lot about God within us all. The church didn’t like that because it meant the church official’s were not needed. Great interview.👍🏼
When the Normans conquered England … they didn’t like the English going to churches because they thought the English were conspiring against them … so that’s why they built Cathedrals …
Gotta love a gospel that says gospels are unnecessary.
That is what it means, to be born again.
You are born in the Spirit and Christ and the Kingdom are within you.
Then, your body is the Temple.
@@onejohn2.26
"To be born again", born again it's mean incarnation christian dont believe that
"The kingdom within you",
"Your body is the temple", but when we died our body will decomposed
@@charleswu1485 Christians don't believe in 'born again'?
That's what Christ taught.......
I am a huge fan of Bart Ehrman- truly one of the most honest, if not THE honest of all scholars of New Testament, Life of Jesus and Early Christianity.
He has his opinions but they never interfere with his scholarship. He is a MUST for the best source for the NT through literary criticism and history vs only a theological perspective.
Actually he carefully avoids issues that will get him in problems, like Jesus in India for one
@Jesus Christ Is Lord YYWWAANN
@@mmccrownus2406 Jesus was not in India unless one prescribes to very late forgeries.
I disagree.
A twin brother would make a resurrection really easy to pull off.
The prestige
I can explain. It is I.
Lilith eve Mary Tristine ect... Adam Adam Jesus Noah Solomon Robert ect reincarnation. I call it the cycle of souls.
You assuming someone would want to die in order to fake a resurrection. That's ridiculous.
Did Jesus have a brother? The answer's yes. It says so in the Word of God. According to Protestant theology, He had at least one bother, after He [Jesus] had been born.
Jesus was the only Son of God, who was born by the Power of God, and not by the seed of man.
Jesus was Mary's first born. The angel pronounced she had become with child by the power of God. Jesus had to come into the world as a man. He had to be born of a woman. That's the reason He was born through Mary.
Word → Mary → Jesus → Ministry → Death → Resurrection → Ascension → Coming Again → 1000 year reign → eternity
Nobody listens.
You did an outstanding job on this interview Jahanna! 👏
Love MythVision Podcast!
Just found you today, and I watched a bunch of your videos, but THIS totally blew my mind. I had similar research and findings, but this interview was PHENOMENAL. Subscribed, and now can't get enough of your content. I've also never heard of Bart prior to this interview. Thank you SO much for another open door into more endless questions I always seem to have. You are AMAZING. God bless! Love and light to you!
Great collaboration and very eye opening. Thanks to both of you!
Thank you so much for this post!
I had never heard of these amazing stories.
Love your channel!
Matthew, Mark, Luke, Johanna
Pahahhahaha go on then
@@FunnyOldeWorld You do know the legends of the time Jesus spent in your country with his uncle Joseph of Arimathea? Glastonbury. More than myth.
@@TheGreatPyramid Legends is the most apt term for it.
I'd be inclined to wonder what the earliest source for that is.
If it predates the conversion of the Anglo Saxon population by some significant timeframe I might give it credence.
Something tells me it doesn't.
Just like churches vying for funds by claiming to have bones or relics of saints - total bullshit designed to fool the gullible.
@@mnomadvfx it’s not often that a scoffer admits their own ignorance. Nice!
This is so cool!
Wow! You need to have him on more or have a loooong stream with him! 15 minutes is not enough time for someone with that much knowledge
I’m a new fan. Fantastic content, very engaging, very informative and entertaining 🙏🏼🙌
I love this channel!
Thanks 🙏🏼
Definitely cool to see you back with interesting things!
I aint religious but this is right up my street fascinating totally enjoyed it always something useful to ponder over
You don’t have to be religious to see how interesting from a human perspective this all is!
Isn't it?! I'm knee deep in Gnostic studies and I'm loving Hugh Ross(Astro physicist who wanted to debunk the Bible/Jesus and became a believer!) and Michael s Heiser(erudite linguist -Aramaic, Greek and Hebrew!) at the moment! MIND BLOWING!!!!
@@FunnyOldeWorld religious or not it is a massive part of culture and history. Much of the ancient texts and carvings left are from religious scribes.
I'm an atheist and make it a point to study this myself.
@@SystemsSecurityLLC Care to answer two simple multiple choice questions that logically follows in context of what Paul the Apostle wrote?
1) Who would most likely kill Jesus just for looking like, and believed to be just a human as related in the Kenosis Hymnal in Philippians?
Philippians 2:7-8
NRSV
"but emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, being born in human likeness. And being found in human form, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death - even death on a cross."
YLT
"but did empty himself, the form of a servant having taken, in the likeness of men having been made, and in fashion having been found as a man, he humbled himself, having become obedient unto death -- death even of a cross,"
A) Romans B) Jews C) Satan
2) Who would most likely not kill Jesus if they were made known that killing him would fulfill God's preordained secret plan for mankinds salvation as per God's will? Note: Rulers of this Age (Principalities): Rulers of the Earth realm is interchangeable with rulers of the spiritual realm to the ancient reader.
1 Corinthians 2:6-8
NRSV
"Yet among the mature we do speak wisdom, though it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to perish. But we speak God's wisdom, secret and hidden, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. None of the rulers of this age understood this; for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory."
YLT
"And wisdom we speak among the perfect, and wisdom not of this age, nor of the rulers of this age -- of those becoming useless, but we speak the hidden wisdom of God in a secret, that God foreordained before the ages to our glory, which no one of the rulers of this age did know, for if they had known, the Lord of the glory they would not have crucified;"
A) Romans B) Jews C) Satan
Holy 🤬,never heard that ???,wow,awesom.Tones NZ.
How crazy, I had a dream about Jesus having a twin when I was a kid. Never could forget it.
You are a Prophet!!
@@tripp8833 more of a pothead. LoL
@@dyrtymike5589 😂
Had a dream at about 5 I was in a village with some of his followers about to meet up with him and I remember the buildings and what they were wearing very clearly even now. I woke up before meeting him lol I’ve never believed in him so it was strange even as a kid to dream about
That’s crazy!
Love it! Great guest!
such a cool subject, what an awesome guy. look forward to the webinar for sure. Thanks.
Two of my favorite people, researchers and youtubers! 👏 _Wonderfull!_ 👑 👏
Love this girl and her channel.
Interesting!
Yeah super interesting that the story of twin babies one God and one Human is a historical theme!
@@FunnyOldeWorld Ive never heard of this before, but Ive also never considered certain books as the sole source of truth.
Nice interview really thankiuu !
This was fascinating love this!!!! Thoroughly enjoyed this thank you!!! ❤😁🙏🏽
This should have been longer!. The books by Ehrman, "The Lost Gospel of Judas" and "Misquoting Jesus" are excellent reads.
I find this stuff fascinating. Coincidentally, I'm in the middle of reading Tim Freke's book, "The Jesus Mysteries" (highly recommend) and I just reached the chapter where this topic comes up. His take seems to be that it's Psychological all the way down.
In the book of Thomas, Jesus said to Thomas,
"Now, since it has been said that you are my twin and true companion, examine yourself, and learn who you are, in what way you exist, and how you will come to be."
The book of Thomas is credited to Didymos Judas Thomas - as mentioned in your video, Didymos derives from the word "twin" as does Thomas; the twin Judas. Thomas is also referred to as "doubting Thomas" because he refused to believe without direct experience in the resurrection.
If thought of in terms of the lower and higher self, the finite and infinite, the Eidolon and Daemon etc the twin (dualistic existence) could represent the lower self, Judas, who betrays the higher self, Jesus. Maybe the resurrection represents a psychological death and rebirth. Doubting Thomas aka the lower twin self is yet to experience the "kingdom of god within" through being initiated into the inner mysteries.
I think you are one of few in here that see it from the correct angle. Refreshing.
Tim can not be compared to Bart's scholarship & academia success let alone his ability to conduct his own research in almost nine languages. Tim can only read secondary & tertiary sources. In addition, Jesus' twin brother appears in stories and interacts w/people.
Look closely at Galatians 4:4b "God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law,"
Paul's audience would know that Jesus was born as a Jew, but what if it's a mystical and revelatory micro creedal statement? Paul has so much in lacking in biographical details for Jesus especially when making theological points (using OT scripture when he does).
"In Galatians 4:4, Paul says that God "sent forth his Son, come from a woman, come under the law " (yevoue vov ek yuvaikos, yevoue vov vtto vo uov). The verse was used by the orthodox to oppose the Gnostic claim that Christ came through Mary "as water through a pipe," taking nothing of its conduit into itself; for here the apostle states that Christ was "made from a woman" (so Irenaeus, Adv. Haer. Ill, 22, 1 , and Tertullian, de carne Christi, 20). Irenaeus also uses the text against docetists to show that Christ was actually a man, in that he came from a woman (Adv. Haer. V , 21, 1). It should strike us as odd that Tertullian never quotes the verse against Marcion, despite his lengthy demonstration that Christ was actually "born.". This can scarcely be attributed to oversight, and so is more likely due to the circumstance that the generally received Latin text of the verse does not speak of Christ's birth per se, but of his "having been made" (factum ex muliere)."
Bart Ehrman, The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture, pp. 239
For a celestial/mystical Jesus revealed through OT scripture this woman is Divine Wisdom (Greek Sophia personified feminine wisdom see Prov. 3:13-20, 8:1-36), and Jesus is the Divine Law (Adam had to be taught, but God made his firstborn son, and chief archangel all knowing/imitating the Father).
Baruch 3:37, 4:1
"37 Afterward she appeared on earth and lived with humankind."
"1 She is the book of the commandments of God, the law that endures forever. All who hold her fast will live, and those who forsake her will die."
Proverbs 3:18a
"18a She is a tree of life to those who lay hold of her;"
Philo of Alexandria (a contemporary of Paul) would not he see his anointed Divine Word/Logos of God fitting closely with Gal. 4:4b? In that he is empowered with both Wisdom, and God's Law.
Philo: ON FLIGHT AND FINDING
"XX ...For we say that the high priest (Jos. 20:1-6) is not a man, but is the Word of God, who has not only no participation in intentional errors, but none even in those which are involuntary. For Moses says that he cannot be defiled neither in respect of his father, that is, the mind, nor his mother, that is, the external sense; "He shall not go where there is a dead body; he shall not defile himself even for his father or mother." (Lev. 21:11) because, I imagine, he has received imperishable and wholly pure parents, God being his father, who is also the father of all things, and Wisdom being his mother, by means of whom the universe arrived at creation (Prov. 3:19-20, 8:22-31); and also because he is anointed with oil, by which I mean that the principal part of him is illuminated with a light like the beams of the sun, so as to be thought worthy to be clothed with garments. And the most ancient Word of the living God is clothed with the word as with a garment, for it has put on earth, and water, and air, and fire, and the things which proceed from those elements. ...Nor will he “rend his clothes;” (Lev. 21:10) for the Word of the living God being the bond of every thing, as has been said before, holds all things together, and binds all the parts, and prevents them from being loosened or separated."
1 Cor. 1:24b "Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God."
So Galatians 4:4b could alternately mean "made of Divine Wisdom, made of God's Law". This in a purely mystical context once one removes the lens of the Gospels as traces of history and sees the influence of Philo's Hellenistic philosophy on Christian origins (which has much evidence when Philo's Divine Word is compared to Paul's Christ Jesus).
Image of God (2 Cor. 4:4, Phili. 2:6), Agent of creation (Rom. 11:36, 1 Cor. 8:6)
THE SPECIAL LAWS, I
"XVI ...Now the image of God is the Word, by which all the world was made..."
Celestial high priest (Heb. 2:17, 4:14), God's Word (Heb. 1:3, 11:3), Firstborn son (Rom. 8:29)
ON DREAMS, THAT THEY ARE GOD-SENT
"XXXVII ...For there are, as it seems, two temples belonging to God; one being this world, in which the high priest is the Divine Word, his own firstborn son."
Spiritual kinship & an angel of God (Gal. 4:5-7, :14, Heb. 1:4)
ON THE CONFUSION OF TONGUES
"XI ...In reference to which I admire those who say, “We are all one man’s sons, we are men of Peace,” (Gen. 42:11) because of their well-adapted agreement; since how, I should say, could you, O excellent men, avoid being grieved at war, and delighted in peace, being the sons of one and the same father, and he not mortal but immortal, the man of God, who being the reason of the everlasting God, is of necessity himself also immortal?"
"XXVIII ...And even if there be not as yet any one who is worthy to be called a son of God, nevertheless let him labour earnestly to be adorned according to his first-born word, the eldest of his angels, as the great archangel of many names; for he is called, the authority, and the name of God, and the Word, and man according to God’s image, and he who sees Israel. For which reason I was induced a little while ago to praise the principles of those who said, “We are all one man’s Sons.” (Gen. 42:11) For even if we are not yet suitable to be called the sons of God, still we may deserve to be called the children of his eternal image, of his most sacred word; for the image of God is his most ancient word...."
Note: "but I did not see any other apostle except James the LORD's brother." (Gal. 1:19) This could be a cultic title (like Peter/Cephas which means "Rock" could have been) rather than being a biological relation? Paul constantly refers to those "in Christ" as brothers/sisters in a spiritual family. To Philo we may become children to the "Image of God" (God's firstborn).
Good shepherd (Heb. 13:20)
ON THE CHANGE OF NAMES
"XIX ...for they have abandoned all connections with pride, and having connected themselves with lawful persuasion, choosing to become a portion of the sacred flock, of which the divine word is the leader, as his name shows, for it signifies the pastoral care of God."
"XX But while he is taking care of his own flock, all kinds of good things are given all at once to those of the sheep who are obedient, and who do not resist his will; and in the Psalms we find a song in these words, “The Lord is my shepherd, therefore shall I lack Nothing;” (psa. 23:1) therefore the mind which has had the royal shepherd, the divine word, for its instructor,..."
Purification, forgiveness of sins & glorification (1 Cor. 6:11, 2 Cor. 3:18, 4:6)
ON THE LIFE OF MOSES, II
"XXVI Such then are the figurative meanings which he desires to indicate by the sacred vestments of the high priest;... ...namely the logeum, being also an emblem of that reason which holds together and regulates the universe. For it was indispensable that the man who was consecrated to the Father of the world, should have as a paraclete, his son, the being most perfect in all virtue, to procure forgiveness of sins, and a supply of unlimited blessings;..."
ON DREAMS, THAT THEY ARE GOD-SENT Book I
"XXXIX ...For when the sacred word has purified us with the sprinklings prepared beforehand for purification, and when it has adorned us with the select reasonings of true philosophy, and, having led us to that man who has stood the test, has made us genuine, and conspicuous, and shining,..."
Note: Is Philo saying (“that man who has stood the test”) that the Divine Word was tested (Heb. 2:18)? If so it obviously passed the test.
Sits beside God (Heb. 8:1)
ABOUT NOT MOVING LANDMARKS
"XXXVIII... I say, should such men triumph in and insult the misfortunes of others, having no respect for justice, the ruler (Note: justice/ruler) of human life, who sits by the side of the great Ruler of the universe, who surveys all things with sleepless and most piercing eyes, and sees what is in recesses as clearly as if it was in the pure sunlight?"
The Word is a covenant (1 Cor. 11:25, 2 Cor. 3:4-6)
ON DREAMS, THAT THEY ARE GOD-SENT Book II
"XXXIII ...God, says that he is about to erect firmly his covenant full of grace (and that means his law and his word) in the soul of the just man as on a solid foundation, which shall be an image in the likeness of God, when he says to Noah, “I will establish my covenant with Thee.” (Gen. 9:11) And besides this, he also indicates two other things, one that justice is in no respect different from the covenant of God (Note: justice/covenant), the other that other beings bestow gifts which are different from the persons who receive them;... XXXVI Since then all steadiness, and stability, and the abiding for ever in the same place unchangeably and immovably, is first of all seen in the living God, and next in the word of the living God, which he has called his covenant;..."
The Word's sacrificial blood (Heb. 12:24)
WHO IS THE HEIR OF DIVINE THINGS
"XXXVIII ...Now, the craters of the sense of seeing are the eyes, those of hearing are the ears, those of smelling are the nostrils, and so on with the appropriate receptacles for each of the senses. On these craters the sacred word pours a portion of blood, thinking it right that the irrational part of us should become endowed with soul and vitality, and should in some manner become rational; following the guidance of admonition, and purifying itself from the deceitful alluring powers of the objects of the outward sense which aim to overcome it."
Tis but a thought
The gospel of Thomas is not canonical based on a number of reasons therefore its not really credible.
Thanks for the video!
This was a great interview!!
Bart Ehrman is amazing, “How Jesus became God” is a must read. Awesome you could interview him!
Here's how Jesus became "God"...
John 1:1 says; "In the beginning was the Word (of God), and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
The Word of God is Jesus after the fashion of Moses at Exodus 4:16 and 7:1. Jesus is God's prophet, the one sent by God to speak for God, God's Word.
Psalm 82 says God CALLED the divine judges (angels) "gods" and commanded them to judge justly, but they were wicked. But the one just god, God CALLS "God", telling him he will inherit the Earth.
Jesus referenced this Psalm 82 at John 10:29-36 when he's accused of claiming to be God, to which Jesus replies; "if God called them 'gods', to whom the Word of God came, the scripture cannot be ignored, "I said I am God's son"!
Jesus clears this all up at John 17:1-3 when he explains that his Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD, while he is simply the one whom God sent to speak for Him, God's Word.
The apostle Paul further explains at 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 when he says there are many gods and many lords, both in heaven and in Earth, but, for Christians, there is but one God, the Father. So, Jesus is a god but, not THE God. Only the Father is THE God.
@@ezkl9424 Verses held up as undeniable evidences for an historical Jesus have plausible alternative explanations. The verse Gal. 4:4b "God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law," looks to have Jesus born of a woman, and is Jewish. But what Paul could mean is that "woman/law" is Divine Wisdom (Greek Sophia personified feminine wisdom/see Prov. 3:13-20, 8:1-36, Baruch 3:37, 4:1) in that Jesus was made all knowing unlike Adam. The verse Gal. 1:19 "but I did not see any other apostle except James the LORD's brother." is seen as a slam dunk for historicity. But Paul's theology is of spiritual kinship (Gal. 4:5-7) and everyone in Christ are brothers/sisters. Paul makes no distinction that this James is blood related to Jesus, and maybe "Lord's brother" is a cultic title? The verse Rom. 1:3b "who was descended from David according to the flesh" (2 Sam. 7:12) is good evidence for historicity. But 2 Sam. 7:12c "who shall come forth from your body," can mean God made a flesh body from David's semen for Jesus (it was a belief that the male seed contained the whole body). This is a convenient way to fulfill messianic prophecy for a celestial event instead of on Earth.
@Sweet T Mean E uhh..
That Bart is not Bible expert and he speak full of shit. He claim that almost all Christian theologist are wrong, and he only knows the truth. He is just one little antichrist.
@@bleirdo_dude your ignorance is overwhelming!
Your actually expressed the Spirit of the Antichrist as John warned in 2 John verse 7-9.
Same - I have listened to Bart numerous times it's great to see him and Jahannah together I only wish it was a longer vid. Thank you Asherah I mean Jahannah 🤓😆 , I love biblical research / history.
Keep up the good work! Learning more with each video!
This is really nice to hear. Great work
Now I'm imagining Jesus' evil twin, with a goatee and black eye liner. Great interview. More with Dr Bart please.
I would watch an entire show of just you two talking about all this. Love it all! 😀 😍
Fascinating subject .
Just to say thank you for your unstoppable enthusiasm and fascinating vids. Always interesting. Including this.
What if Jesus' twin swapped places with or pretended to be the resurrected Jesus?
That would change everything.
A movie waiting to be made lol
That's what shes selling
@@FunnyOldeWorld
That would have been perfect for Monty Python.
Maybe too similar to The Life of Brian?
I was waiting for Mrs. James to bring up that idea. Would be a interesting topic to explore.
An other solution is Jesus had no twin but he organized his fake death: he bribed the executioner then told Judas to go and report him, he was removed from the cross after pretending to be dead
Lots of mythology influenced those “gospel” teachings…that’s why they are not part of the canon…
What’s amazing are the teachings that crept into Christianity, that has similar beliefs in most non Christian religions…. that are definitely not a teaching in the Bible….ie: all people go to heaven or burn in hell, Trinity, immortality of the soul…. And much much more :-)
You should do a show on that :-)
absolutely thought-provoking and fascinating. thank you.
Absolutely fantastic. Thank you Jahanna.
Well, this was a real surprise. I've been following Bart Ehrman for years and Jahannah for the past five months. I had no idea that they would hook up. Though short, this was a terrific interview! Hope Jahannah will interview Bart more in the future. There are some people who don't believe Jesus existed, that he's a myth. So it would be interesting to hear Bart talk about this and indicate if there is historical evidence for Jesus and others such as Pontius Pilate, John the Baptist, Mary Magdalene, Herod the Great, Herod Antipas, Caiaphas the high priest, Joseph of Arimathea, etc.
You haven't studied freemasonry and acedemia enough
Bart becomes extremely irritated when asked to talk about Jesus mythicism. He refuses to debate one of the best known mythicists, Richard Carrier, because he doesn't like his attitude. He has obviously never read any of the modern mythicists because he never addresses their actual arguments, preferring to argue against strawman arguments that no modern mythicist makes. His position is that the consensus is against mythicism and all academics in the field laugh at it. This of course is just an argument by appeal to authority and it's also an untrue statement. There is a growing list of academics who take the subject seriously. Carrier keeps a list of such academics at his blog.
Bart's main points are: Several ancient historians mention Jesus. Indeed, but they are not contemporaries and they only tell us what Christians at the time believed about Jesus. One of them seemed to think "Chrestus" was instigating riots in Rome in the reign of Nero.
He also believes that a raft of non-existent documents attest to Jesus. Have you heard of the Q document? A consensus of scholars use this hypothetical document to explain why Matthew and Mark have a lot of identical passages. They claim that both authors had use of a document now lost from which they copied these identical passages. There is a sizable minority of scholars who think that Matthew simply copied from Mark. (or the other way around, I can never remember which came first.) Bart also thinks there are a number of other hypothetical documents from which the gospels were copied. I call this the "the Gadarene pigs ate my q document homework" hypothesis.
The strongest evidence comes from the possible existence of James, the brother of Jesus, attested to by Josephus. Paul claims to have met someone in Jerusalem who claimed to be the brother of the Lord. Some people suggest that this James was simply a member of a group of people called "brothers of the Lord" by Paul.
Q doc = Q gospel = Q trust the plan = the oath wwg1wga
1. And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. 2. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.' 3. And Semjâzâ, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' 4. And they all answered
him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' 5. Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. 6. And they were in all two hundred; who descended ⌈in the days⌉ of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it
@@pirbird14 YOU'VE WATCH TOO MANY MYTH VISION PODCASTS..DR. CARRIER IS A JOKE, JASON DECOSTA, PRETERIST (AIO) DESTROYS CARRIERS NON SENSE,..THESIS, AND PREMISES,.. HE'S A FALLACY MACHINE, ..DR BART IS A KNOWN SCHOLAR,..WITH A FLUENT AND CONSISTENT PLATFOFM...
QUALITATIVE AND QUANTITATIVE,. IN SCOPE AND METHOD...EVEN ELAINE PAGELS
HAS CO-AUTHORED WITH BART...I'D CAUTION ANY ARM CHAIR SCHOLAR ON SPARING WITH BART, Vs CARRIER..oh, my VC..is M.A., History, Political Science & Religious Studies, ..and
a CEDA, Judge (Cross Examination)..Shalom
@@Salome10185 You're a joke and so is Jason Acosta. Bart's anti0mythist arguments are a joke. You don't need to be a scholar to spot the logical fallacies with which he peppers his argument.
Spirit is in all of us, some are more connected
Yes, but the real question is which spirit are you talking about, because there are more than one. The spirit of Antichrist is just one example. The Bible says: "Brethren, believe not every spirit but instead, test the spirits to see if they be of God" also the Bible tells us bout a great deception coming upon the world in the last days
@@Paul-su3qh that is your ego you must fear, we are all spirit...itis the human ego that perverts and distorts. I'd be careful taking all the Bible for truth, the hand of man affects and infects
Great discussion!
Miss James, I love your channel, your zeal for all things historic and our beginning. I have been doing the sane thing for 30 yrs because I felt like the most important part is ALWAYS THE BEGGING it in some ways predicts your end. A lot of times in life its not what you do but how you do it and I say all that to say this. Mr. Bart may be a fun guy and seem to know what he is talking about however I can tell you from studying him He is a very misleading and deceitful person and really he does not carry the same moral obligation about what information or disinformation he may put out there. This is very problematic because of his platform and his main audience. CHILDREN OR YOUNG PEOPLE. They just take what he says and runs and he knows this!! We are the company we keep Miss James!! Thank you and keep up the great work
Jesus turns water into load of things😂luv it
Secretly Jesus was in a rock band...the ORIGINAL Rolling Stone( without the s).
Love your interview style Jan ❤
Another awesome and interesting video. Thank you
I wish Jesus would have spoken out against slavery. I wish he had not said, "don't oppose an evil man..."
I wish he had not said, "some of you shall not taste death before you see the kingdom of God come in power."
I wish I had been born to cool, secular parents.
Maybe, but you are not God
So do you think it was possible the Jesus risen thing was really these people seeing a twin after visiting his brothers grave?
Now this is interesting. Grrrrr8 you are not shy to discuss these areas as well as the ancients. My family and I attended service at The Metropolitan Tabernacle in London once.
Director´s cut, in deed. This is huge. Thank you for interesting new subject to dig in. Great stuff! Speaking cross reminds me Adrienne Mayor´s book "Gods and Robots".
Omg 😱 I was just watching this guy on some video and now he’s on your channel! So cool!
Yeah he is very cool. Super knowledgeable.
Bart Ehrman is a legend. Was pleasantly surprised to see a feature from him in your video! Good stuff
Actually, like Jesus, Bart is completely real.
@@chrisp4170 Actually, legend is a short way of saying "living legend" when talking about people who are alive. jesus the man may be a legend but supernatural jesus is a myth.
Great Vid! Cheers from Las Vegas!
Jahannah thank you for your time and effort.
I wonder if people will stop saying what is written in the Bible is a 100percent accurate..?
That would defeat the whole purpose.
Religion is designed to be a crutch of certainty in an uncertain world.
I'd be interested to know what is exactly meant by "twin." Is there anything in the original language that determines that twin is a fraternal relationship (two children of the same mother) or merely twin by comparison. Would confusion of language have taken some to consider Thomas' likeness in appearance (thereby nicknamed didymus) with sharing the same mother. As a Catholic Theologian I have always believed Thomas was called so for his likeness in appearance but in no way did Mary have any other children (as I said, Catholic here). I believe that this explains the critical importance of Thomas' post resurrection encounter with Jesus. They need to be seen, by many witnesses (for standing), to have been in the same room AND the wounds on one and not the other. The demonstration of wounds and the unwounded twin eliminates a potential barrier to belief in the resurrection in the early church. Which is why the words, "Blessed are those who have not seen, and yet believe," are so important! As "Brother" can mean "Cousins" I believe that Thomas was indeed a relative who looked just like Jesus. Great interview!
My brother looked exactly like a cousin. So much that even family members could not distinguish between the two. They looked like identical twins. This cousin had a twin brother, but looked nothing like him. What fun we had explaining to strangers, who didn't believe us, that cousins looked identical, and twin brothers looked nothing alike. Anyway that is the reason why I believe that your comment is most logical for me
The reason why the Catholic church would teach that Yeshua didn't have any siblings is because it would have delineated from their power structure within the early church, because they used their distorted understanding of Jewish history as a means to control the millions of people who converted to this brand new faith. This was Paul's way of detatching Yeshua from his Judaism & attaching him to a Greco-Roman Hellenistic world. Yeshua absolutely 100% had brothers & sisters, his 4 brothers were James, Judas (Yehud) Joseph & Simon. Read the genealogy from the Torah & even in the Book of Mark, his brothers are all mentioned by name. The Jewish Roman historian Josephus wrote extensively about Yeshua's family & primarily James, but it was widely regarded as fact that he had a twin named Judas/Judah or Yehud (in ancient Hebrew) & only until 300 years later at the Nicaea Council did it ever come into question as to whether or not Yeshua had siblings. The only reason why is because the Roman Catholic empire didn't want any descendants of Yeshua's family to have a right to being the head of the church, which would also give them the right to the Roman throne as Emperor. Or in other words, they purposely omitted & taught that he didn't have any brothers & sisters because it would invalidate their power. Yehud (Jude/Judah) was not a cousin, he was an actual twin; the Hebrew word for twin is Theum or pronounced Tho-him with a soft H, the Aramaic word for twin is Tho-mas/Tomas, the Ancient Egyptian word for twin is Tauma, the Ancient Akkadian word for twin is Mashu, which translates into Ta-shu in Sumerian. So what that all means is that the early Middle Eastern languages & cultures all had a specific title for an identical twin & they all essentially had the same phonetic & linguistic translations. The reason he was referred to as Thomas is because he was specifically his Twin & not just a relative who looked like him. John the Baptist (Yohanan or Yahu) was actually Yeshua's cousin through their mothers Mary & Elizabeth, but Yohan is never referred to as Thomas. What that indicates is that Thomas is a distinct title & not a name & not interchangeable with someone who isn't in the immediate family. Thomas specifically means Twin & nothing else.
@@wolf7el356 Without disputing your claims, out of respect, if you are correct than God has allowed this "Lie" for near 2000 years. Who in the middle ages, even Luther and Calvin, would have said that Jesus had literal brothers and sisters? If you have quotes of them holding the position, I'd love to know of them. As far as my studies go, they did not hold that view either. This would call into great question the Third Person of the Trinity, the Holy Spirit, because if it can't protect the church from so great an error, how can that be?
I don't think I'll place my trust in one scholar, as you appear to be, over near 2000 years of tradition. That is not to be disrespectful, but the implications for every denomination of Christianity would be staggering if that is correct.
@Wolf7 El it would also explain as to why Judas was asked to identify Jesus. The real one and not the twin. Just my opinion.
Great interview.
Bart is really making the rounds on the UA-cam channels I watch!
Wow that’s cool I went to bible college that’s where I got interested in archeology and old civilizations. I also went to Lesley University in Cambridge Massachusetts for a History degree. Good to see believers on the frontlines disproving all the lies and ignorant notions the stupid intellectual elites spree out of their mouths.
So much Jesus in your comment. You can really feel the love and mercy and kindness.
Oh wait, wrong person. Your comment is arrogant and snide. Filled with pride and foolishness. Dont you love it when fellow believers are on the frontlines calling out wanna be intellectuals and would be theocrats... like you?
I bet you didnt even listen, you only heard what supports your belief. That is why nothing I wrote will mean anything, you will twist it to fit your vision of God, which probably has more in common with a preacher spouting his grand daddies religion than anything approaching a being like God must be.
So when Jesus came back to life it was just his twin brother or his twin brother had died previously and it was just him?
Don't believe this nonsense, there is no proof whatsoever that it is true.
@@onejohn2.26 but what is true anymore?
@@Vibe4ant I rely on the Scriptures as written because they've stood up to the test of time for thousands of years.
Most old things are true, and most new things are false.
This twin business is new, so it's probably false.
@@onejohn2.26 how have they stood the test of time?. Serious question.
Watched all your videos about 20times really love them ,,you would be a great teacher,,
more time needed on this one.
OMG I was just getting over all the weird stuff in Egypt and Atlantis, and now Jezus had a twin! What’s next? Not sure if I can handle it. :D
Nah I’m fine, no worries. Looking forward to more. ;)
There is NO evidence that Jesus had a twin and Mary was pregnant with Jesus before she was married. If this would be true, that meant that she was fornicating and God would not have used her.
Total nonsense.
@@onejohn2.26 seriously? Gospel of Thomas is also known as the Gospel of the Twin. Jesus wasnt a real person. He was a spiritual being inside Mary, thus the twin. The other person that inhabited her. She’s the temple, the tower(madgdalene).
Jesus doesn't have a twin. Thomas had a twin.
@@ezkl9424 yep. It was Jesus. In the same body. Mary.
You are being deceived by liars and atheists and jewish "theologians". Stop and be critical, use discernment. Not everything that sounds logical is true, thats how lies work.
“WHAT WOULD JAMES DO?”
I’ll get that on a tshirt
Very interesting, a complication of an already complicated story! Thanks for showing!
Good interview with Dr. Bart Erhman, good questions. 🙈🙉🙊❤🙏
My family consist of half Catholic and half Witness but always had a wide range of cultural influences..
I was raised on bible literature but understand a good deal of history and religion aside from christianity.
Jesus and the bible itself, is atleast 3 stories in one. Every verse gives many understandings.
Jesus is a person in the flesh many believed to be Krishna in India, but ultimately predates even india itself.
Jesus the son is formulated around Zeus the sun. The sacrifices made in fire for everything we have, universally.
That's where we have mother universe of water💧/endless depths. Isis
The angelic, Halos or rings of energy..
The one who sits behind the dark veil.
Civilization we have the sun system usually represented by Ra 🔥fire tower of power. This was created by father time who delivered energy of consciousness to Lucifer the light bringer/be-ring-r/first born of father time and mother universe..
The rah in stars..
Then we have the earth represented by totem pole nature balance.
The charge El⚡ (electricity/elements)
All stories in the bible and Tora from "Jewish history" was thought by Egyptian universal priesthood. "Is-ra-el" and Babylon/Assyria.
These ascribed/scripture/scripts "scripted stories" are fictional stories created to hide scientific discoveries and tactical classified secrets..metaphorical concepts from the meta world, only understood through metaphysics..
The ultimate God of universal creation is real, but kept hidden from us..
Our world is a manifest creation or "recreation".. it's why we must go forth and "replenish".. "repopulate" "research" "report" and be delivered by the doc in berth/birth.. "new order"..
'In flames'
"Dawn of a new day, has never looked/felt as good as this"
The morning star is our sun, salvation and what we all come from in Atom. We're elements of the sun.
Why we're Hydrogen/Water merry electricity and fire, carbon elements, Passion and Plasma..
"Marijuana" "Merry One An" nature from holy water (Ana).. "Angel reign/rain clouds and water in the desert" life. Mother universe water is Matriarch/matrix umbrella protection..
As we go forward together in worship💧 & warship🔥we don't know if we're prisoners in this fire creation, or willing participants. "Hotel California"
Conscious spiritual energy and physical soul power...Author of order ...
Morning Angel is the guide...our only salvation and gateway to the heavens if we ever come to understand our "starship enterprise"...
Sun Rise & Son Set
If we look at the picture of the last supper..It's Judas giving away the secret with a whisper and the sun/son in the middle of 4 groups of 3 representing the seasons and months...
Like said before, this story is celestial, earthly and human social atmosphere in one.. it's a compacted truth...
Universal order pyramid
Civilization system tower
Natural totem pole...
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THE BABY JESUSES TWIN BROTHER!?...🤪
Love this channel
That was great.
Some interesting, and surprising stuff.
Good lord. Some people will believe anything.
Comment at beginning of video: I've believed for years that Yeshua was a twin. It fits too many things. Yeshua is supposed to parallel the sacrifice for sin, but in the regular ceremony there's another part to that sacrifice where an identical animal is taken into the wilderness. If Yeshua was the sacrifice, it stands to reason that he would have an identical twin who went out into the "wilderness" (the world). Additionally, if Yeshua was such a well know revolutionary, why would Yehudah even need to identify him for the soldiers to arrest him? Because he had an identical twin and they wanted to be sure they arrested the right one! So who was the twin? The scriptures even tell us that. We're straight up told that Tomas was the twin.
I'll post a separate comment after I watch the video to share my thoughts on the points addressed in the video. Curious to see if it covers the same points I have and what else there might be.
Total nonsense.......
@@onejohn2.26 The way the video presented the idea, it certainly sounded like nonsense. It was disappointing that they didn't analyze it deeper with the evidence from canonical scripture rather than just fanciful (if not ludicrous) writing from outside of the biblical canon. The canon evidence is more compelling than the nonsense.
@@AnimeOtakuDrew The Bible states, that in the end times false teachers and false Gospels would appear, and this is one of them.
When Mary became pregnant, she wasn't married. For her to have a twin, would mean, that she was out fornicating.
God would not have used a fornicating sinner as the mother of His Son.
It's just that simple.
@@onejohn2.26 Just because Pagan myths had one twin sired by a god and the other by a man doesn't mean that has to be the case here. I don't think you understand how twins come to be. Identical twins start as one fertilized egg which separates during cell division and becomes two viable embryos. Fraternal twins happen when a woman's ovaries release two eggs simultaneously and both are fertilized so each grows into an embryo. In both cases, both twins are created in a single act of intercourse, so in the real world (as opposed to mythology land), twins will have the same father. Or do you not believe Yahweh to be capable of creating two children within Miryam's womb? Or do you not believe that a single fertilized egg can divide into two children? Or do you not believe in the scripture that explained the sacrificial rite for cleansing sin detailed that a flawless goat be sacrificed upon the altar while an identical got be lead into the wilderness? Or do you not believe that the soldiers sent to detain Yeshua should recognize a man who was allegedly a great instigator of civil unrest? Or do you not believe it was necessary for Yehudah to identify Yeshua for those arresting soldiers? You want to talk about false teachings? Most of what is taught by modern Christianity is complete anathema to what Yeshua himself taught and practiced. So feel free to follow the very false doctrine which you proclaim to be a precursor to the end times if you choose (as most will, because once most people believe they have found the "truth," they close their minds to all other possibilities). Did it never strike you as odd that Christianity is one of the largest religions in the world, yet the Revelation states that the believers will be few in number? The reason for that is because modern Christianity adheres to a version of doctrine that has been warped, filtered, and rewritten many times. I apologize for turning this comment into a sermon (I will soon be starting my own dedicated channel for that), but I do not appreciate being branded a false teacher for trying to open the eyes and the minds of people who have been drawn by the actual false doctrine.
@@AnimeOtakuDrew Twins do not have to have the same father, not at all.
Cain and Able was a prime example
Cain is not found in the ancestry of Adam, because Cain was from the serpent.
There is no logic and no evidence that God created 2 Messiahs. Why would He?
In rare cases, fraternal twins can be born from two different fathers in a phenomenon called heteropaternal superfecundation. Although uncommon, rare cases have been documented where a woman is pregnant by two different men at the same time
This was amazing
Amazing.
I think you’re doing a great job, Jahannah!! The topics you cover are so interesting! During my spiritual awakening, when I would meditate, I was flooded with memories and information about a past civilization. I later learned it was actually about Atlantis. Edgar Cayce corroborated a lot of the information I was shown. If you don’t know about him, girl buckle up!
Are you saying you saw visions about Atlantis? Lol
@@lastelite3967 Yes. It was really cool
Well... If Jesus had a twin brother, that would perfectly explain why Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus with a kiss in the Garden of Gethsemane. He had to kiss him so that Sanhedrin know which one to arrest. It would be a big problem if they had crucified the wrong man.
That is not why. He was amongst his disciples, not a twin.
It would also explain the resurrection.
Way would you consider believing this nonsense, over your Bible?
@@onejohn2.26 because the Bible is not the complete story
@@RE-ng5uw That's fine, but this is 'another Gospel to tickle your ears' as it was prophesied for the end times.
People have enough trouble understanding and applying the Bible, as is, without adding nonsense like this into it.
Hi Jahannah, fan of your work and was happy to see your shout out by Randall :)
I wanted to suggest that you might find star mythology interesting here. Jesus having a twin, and also Hercules having a twin are both perhaps related to the constellation of Gemini in some of those stories. Mary (a virgin) also aligns as Virgo. You might be surprised to find there are many globe spanning ancient mythologies regarding twins that often share intriguing similarities. Likewise with the virgin mothers.
So little time and so much to research, but I would highly recommend "Hamlet's Mill" by Giorgio de Santillana and Hertha von Dechend. Also "Star Myths of the World and How to Interpret Them" by David Warner Mathisen. :)
Great message!!! So insightful and funny! I love your channel! You are my new Favorite ♥️🥰🌼💕🌸 Big Loads of Love from The 24th Elder 😘
Omg this is the best channel on the entire internet
I recommend two Australian writers who have written books that document interesting alternative views of Christ and the Bible : Tony Bushby and Ian Ross Vayro. They have published interesting books like The Bible Fraud, The Crucifiction of Truth, The Twin Deception, They Lied to us in Sunday School, The Christ Scandal and many others. Fascinating reading.
Twins and miracles reminds me of ‘The Prestige’..
Here from MythVision Podcast!
Opposing viewpoints needed. As a Columbia University Engineering graduate, I have followed Bart and other thinkers since graduation. My fascination with the topic is never-ending. I had to say something since you did this interview with Bart. Basically, I disagree with Bart's opinions and there are some pretty good factual arguments which corroborate the Bible's account of Jesus. You should interview Dr. Frank Turek, Dr. William Craig, and or Dr. Jordan Peterson for a counterpoint as Bart's views do NOT represent mainstream Christian Thought.
I would throw Dr Michael Heiser in there at the top of that list brother!
"Bart's views do NOT represent mainstream Christian Thought"
Considering mainstream Christian thought would vear away from any criticism of the bible at all your point is entirely moot in the context of historicity.
In fact I would say that any purported Christian scholar has an inherently biased perspective and cannot be truly objective about the subject.
It's like getting the chickens perspective on how evil foxes are.
Dr. Bart D. Ehrman, PHD, is a New Testament and early Christianity scholar, unlike Frank, Bill and Jordan. We like facts without theism. It's not for everyone.
Did you catch how I gave the measure you meted right back to you?
@M N I speak of the difference between what is law of physics real, and what is faith based supernatural. I don't blend those two. They don't belong together.
@M N Then like the title and intent suggests, listen to Ehrman as a scholar and not a preacher. Seems easy enough. Some people can't seem to figure that out, agreed?
Nope!! Very disappointing to see this on your channel.........
PS
Is this guy having a seminar???
Why? Researching the historical context of ancient texts is interesting!
@@FunnyOldeWorld -- So the Holy Spirit seeded the virgin Mary like a rain cloud, hoping to make it rain down God babies??
Nah........
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@@TheytellToomanylies -- Wow, that was Great!!
I had no idea Johannah is into the occult.
She and the others can't deny it because of All of the pictures of them bowing down to the dark side is All over the internet. 🙏
Your video is Very good!!
The understanding I reached was that Joseph respected Mary, the holy vessel, and didn't "lie" with her until after the immaculately conceived birth. Very interesting topic grrrl👏🤝👊✌
I've read that Joseph was an old man with a son in his 20s, it's only after Joseph went on a long trip without his son that Mary got pregnant...
You are a GREAT storyteller and entertainer :)
Brilliant video, so interesting! Love Dr Bart, love Jahannah, great interview 👍🏼👍🏼
Brian's and Beauty putting out quality content, love it.
The Life of Brian? 😅
Man 15 minutes went by fast! Would love to see more or him on the channel!
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i wish this would go on for hours. love this subject if you look at it with an open mind.
My question is: "Why ONLY 15 minutes?!
This is a pretty DEEP subject, and many many are curious.
She just singlehandedly wrote off the resurrection in the minds of many of her viewers, based on myths and vague ideology, with a guy who is renound for not actualy knowing let alone understanding scripture. Amongst real students of scripture this guys a known Walt! How much more punishment do you want her to heap on herself in one sitting ?
The guy is pretty big in his field and I could only get 15 minutes of his time on this occasion, grabbed it anyway
This was interesting but I really think you should speak with Michael S Heiser, Hugh Ross!!!
Ok….. My minds been blown for the day ha….. Great vid!
5:50 Anne Rice wrote two novels on the "lost years" of Jesus' childhood. And there are legends about him visiting Glastonbury with his uncle, Joseph of Arimathea (see The Traditions of Glastonbury by E. Raymond Capt, or The Missing Years of Jesus by Dennis Price) .
OMH that was was amazing... Have you looked into the theory the Bethlehem Star was none other than Jupiter. That David being one of the "Magi" who's descendants that later become the the 3 Wise Men.
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Some say knowledge is power, it can also be great entertainment. Thank you, im suscribed
Cool premise