Yes some adults want relationships but not children. I think Jim's mother not waking him shows that she didn't want her son to see just how uninterested the father he looked up really was about being a parent. She's sad not just because Hawkins leaving but also that she was unable to convince her husband that their family was worth staying around for. So glad this collab happened! You and Issac are amon my fave UA-camrs and come up with great theories.
I'm so glad you liked it and that Isaac agreed to work with me on this these two videos! And, that's true, I think Sarah was just so torn apart that she couldn't handle waking Jim up to break his heart too. Not an easy position to be in at all as the mom!
The most convincing part of this theory is that the boat WAS there waiting for him. Therefore, it couldn't have been a sudden thing for him to take off after a fight and we know it wasn't just there waiting like a bus, because it leaves the moment he steps onto the ship. Also, if it was a fight, why wouldn't that have woke up Jim instead of the sun on his face? Before this, I always thought Jim's father simply didn't see him running after him before getting on the boat.
My theory is that the fight already happened the day or night before, with Jim's mom telling Leland not to take the job that would make him be away for so long, giving him an ultimatum to choose them or the job. By the next morning, the two see each other and he leaves, making her break down into tears and wake Jim from his sleep.
@@icecreamkitty2735 It's possible. But I like the idea more that Jim's father literally up and left them behind. It's one of those "less is more", where the simplest of explanations can be more relatable. So many kids, teens, and adults can connect to a character whose parent or parents left them. If it was purely because his dad left for work somewhere else and Jim just woke up late to speak with him then the impact is not as strong, as it implies that Jim will see him again if he comes back alive. Plus, is it too much for the dude to knock on his son's door to wake him up?! Nah, he totally left them behind.
While this theory does hold weight, it actually takes away more than it gives. Jim's dad just up and abandoning his family is a very real thing that many kids go through in life, even being neglected. And it's relatable.
You guys had a much "happier" theory over Jim's father then me lol. My theory being, Leland went on a expedition and died in war/against pirates. And as for him leaving the family, I agree he might have had no idea what he was doing as a father and couldn't handle being such a bad dad for his son. And the ship leaving as soon as he boards, I believe maybe he waited as long as he could because Jim overslept, his mother was crying because of the waiting and the seperation, the ship left as soon as he arrived because he was really late and they had to leave. And for not waving it could have been a way of telling Jim to move forward in life, and never look back, like he couldn't look back at his son as he left because it would prevent him from moving forward in his job, and he knew there was a chance he might never return. But that's just a theory! A FI----
This film is such a witty take and dare I gush: Ground breaking! re-telling. The motivations for Jim to trust Long John Silver are perfectly modernized with the single parent/absent parent families of today. Even the parrot is wittily transformed into the creature morph and the robot who has (literally) "lost his mind" make me love it even more. I just adore the film.
Speaking of which, I'm starting to think someone should make a video asking if Long John Silver might be sexist, because he tried to dethrone Captain Amelia (the character I was hugely obsessed with) because he perceived her as an oppressive tyrant and almost succeeded by kidnapping her and threatening to kill her, whereas Amelia perceived Silver as a toxic masculine stereotype who doesn't deserve to brutally take her rights as a captain away by killing her and permanently taking her place on her ship!
@@SaraHouck461 I thought Long John just saw the captain as a threat. Nothing more, nothing less. No different than say, Mr. Yam/Shan Yu wanting to kill Mulan.
@@jeffreygao3956 I'm personally under the impression that right after Amelia got kidnapped, she received a rather cliched "reason you suck" speech from that cyborg on how he easily perceived her as an oppressive tyrant!
The Fangirl. Your theory is good bit I kinda have 1 too. We all know that work pressure is a major cause of many a marriage breakdown & Jim's dad being in the Military had a valid excuse for leaving but did not actually want to divorce cuz he still had some feelings left for his wife (even though he never showed them). Another factor is the condition P.T.S.D. (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder), could Jim's dad have been a long - time sufferer of this mental disorder? If so, it would explain why he couldn't bond with his son & when he left, he perhaps knew that his condition would ruin whatever family life he had if he had chosen to stay.
I always got the impression his dad didn't say goodbye is cause he couldn't bring himself too. Some people have a hard time expressing emotions so they try avoiding situations where they have too. This doesn't mean they don't care, they just aren't comfortable showing that they care. It's really sad. =(
Maybe saying goodbye would have been to hard for him as he knew if he said goodbye to his wife and son he wouldn't be emotionally capable to go. Although he may not have invested in his family it doesn't mean that he didn't love them so when he learnt that he would have to leave soon he started distancing himself to save his mission and Jim at the same time.
I completely agree with this. Another possibility is that he full heartedly knew he was coming back in a few days (such as a repair, resupply, or other simple deployment) before a pirate crew(perhaps even silver or billy bones) opened fire and a year mission turned into an eternal sleep in the Ethereum.
Fanfic idea: Years after the events that occurred in “Treasure Planet,” Jim is in his mid-20’s to early 30’s, possibly has a wife and baby of his own, but has definitely found success in some career (whatever that may be). Leland returns, having grown up more and matured as a person, and wants to reconnect with his son; only to find out that that sorta thing is easier said than done, and… “ Well, this is awkward… “
Maybe it has been a while when I last saw the movie but I started to assume his father died. The guy that visited the house gave his mother the bad news. He was a friend of his father and came to pay his repects. Jim got up in a hury because it was the day his father was due to come back and he was excited. Then he saw the family friend leaving. The boat taking him back was due to leave soon and so the family friend was on a tight schedule to leave and didn't want to relay the bad news a second time. And the reason Jim and his mother kept saying he left was because his death was still a raw subject and they didn't want to say die aloud as a way of copeing with it.
Fun fact to support this theory, in the real world english royal navy privateers and sailors would be away from home for years, sometimes 10 or more when they received orders, and given that the book mentions Jim's dad "took up to greener pastures" implies he either became a royal navy sailor, or a privateer, heck silver might even know Jim's dad in some form.
People say Elsa and Anna's parents are the worst biological parents in the Disney Library but Leland Hawkins abandoned his son for his own selfish desires if that ain't the worst Disney parent ever i don't know what is lol I say biological because Gothel and Frollo are obviously the worst adopted parents xD
I think another possible reason he didn't say goodbye would be that he didn't want it to be anymore painful than it already was. Or something like that.
While I think this theory of a military deployment would have added more depth to the characters the simple truth is in the art book. If you pause at 6:12 you can read most of the page. Basically Leland was always chasing money and ended up with a family he didn’t really want so he “took off for greener pastures”. It’s sad but a very realistic scenario.
Also the reason Jim woke up was because he must of heard someone or something coming from the docked ship. Waking startled, adding to the fact he woke up late, and being punished by his Father leaving with saying a word. I also find that Leland may not have been a cruel man but because he married Sarah so young also must mean something. Sarah is at least 35 in the film that means that Jim's Father has been gone for 7 years by the films start. I have no doubt that Leland was a man that had one thing on his mind to make life good for his family. Only problem it was at a cost. Leland worked so long that he was distant from Jim, and in the end took what he wanted and needed to do. It's also clear that Sarah isn't getting much money from the inn, seeing is she's the only worker along with Jim. If I missed someone pardon me. This means that Leland has yet to make it on his mission. Also it's clear that Jim is taking a part from his Father, but instead of being a military man, he joins the Navy. I have no doubt that these two will come in contact again, though lets hope that Leland has matured enough not to be jealous of his own son's fame.
Not all divorced women change their names back to their Maiden Name; especially if they had children. My Mom kept her ex husband’s name until she married my Dad.
I've had quite the fondness for Treasure Planet since I saw it in theaters when I was 12. I kind of astounds me you can the discern all this from just the film and the little bits of background material that came with it and basically take an assumption many who saw the film take for granted and turn it right on its head.
I think Jim's dad knew Jim would try to stop that Jim would try his hardest to stop him from leaving. I think he would just be easier to leave before Jim realized. Obviously Jim woke earlier then he expected. And managed to see him right before he left
Hmmm, intriguing. I can see more of the reasons that Jim's dad left and how it could make him a more developed character but either way, he's still a bit of a selfish jerk for not saying goodbye to Jim. You have parenting issues when a criminal does a better job at being a father figure.
I relate to the I'm still here scene in a personal way. My dad was USMC and was away on deployment alot so I barely knew him and I still don't know that well him to this day. My mom had to work and raise 3 rowdy kids, one who needed extra attention since being diagnosed with autism, that child being me. When dad was around he would occasionally drink, get angry and get into a fight with mom. One day I found him passed out on the couch in a blanket of beer cans. When he was away my mom tried her best to keep us clothed, have good hygiene, and make sure we were well disciplined, AKA getting hit with a belt, sometimes in the face. My dad being gone for a good 6 to 8 months was quite for me and my siblings but my mom decided to go out and party when she had time off from work, she was 27 at the time and I didn't know then she was sleeping with all the guys she brought home, either from a party or from work. To wrap this all up one day I wanted to go see my dad leave off in an amtrak but all he said was no. To this day, I'm happy he said no, the less I know the better
I recently re-watched this film and just want to say thank you for your collaboration and commentary video about this. I always wondered about Jim's dad. It's a shame there was not a follow up to this series. Though it did not do well overall, for me, it was a precious memory.
ive never thought of Jim's father being military. If this is the case then i believe that the reason he didnt say goodbye to Jim was because he didnt want to make it harder for him. What if he was going to war or he knew that the probablity of being attacked by pirates in a certain section of the galaxy was very high? I dont know. Maybe hes just a cold person who just didnt want to say goodbye to his son, could even be that Jim was not planned and his parents got married in a rush.
His dad is silver. At the end of the movie he looks up to the sky out the window(like he did in the "I'm still here" message)and the star lights up in silvers eye which mean he was casing the stars and lost his arm and legs. Also we see that silver isn't good with emotional feels so what if he left without saying goodbye to Jim he wanted to not put any emotion in it.
I always thought that this theory was what they wanted to portray in the movie. I grew up in a military family, so what I saw in the movie I had that experience, watching my dad leave for deployments.
You HAVE a Voyage of Discovery!!!!! I saw that book sitting beside you an nearly choked I can not even BELIEVE. that's a 200 dollar book right there my jealously BURNS. The salt is REAL. like yes it's a library copy, but just being able to TOUCH that book!
Another hypothesis is that his father was deployed, and died during service. His mother crying could also be mourning, with him being so young he didn't understand what getting on that boat meant and is sad about not being able to say goodbye. To me him not giving Jim attention looks more like he was extremely tired, but still tried with the head pat.
Though there isn't a lot of evidence, your "colonization" theory has an alternate explanation, and possibly a sadder one. Jim's father was lost in the Ethereum and his mother refuses to fully exept he's gone never telling jim hoping he would be found. Combine this with his swift departure, possibly being explained by a quick deployment for a small cargo run or a deployment to repair the space port, and you have Jim feeling more abandoned than simply morning the loss of his father.
I love this movie and as much as I want to know answers to a few questions, I feel like not knowing them adds a certain beauty that makes this movie so great, so in that regard I'm ok with not knowing
Thank you so much for this. I love this underrated Disney film. I repeated watching it many times, and never get tired of it. And still amazed about the theories I've watched from this content.
To be honest, I always assumed that Leland had gotten married at a young age because he believed in love and Sara was pregnant. He worked in the mines and just wasn't happy with his happy. He felt overwhelmed with the family, no gratification from working in the mines, and willinly started staying out late with friends. He felt his family was a burden and it caused a lot of strain between him and Sara. Eventually an opportunity came when a merchant ship came through and he decided that he wanted to go restart. So he did, leaving his family behind.
Alright! Great theory. I honestly never thought of Jim's dad. All I had about him was that he's the type of guy who, in Jim's words, was the "type who keeps running away and never coming back." Thank you for at least giving us more details and hints about the world of Treasure Planet!
What if he didn't want to wake him up bacause it was painful to see his son upset or crying before leaving. What if he thought he might now want to leave if he saw his son's face all covered in tears.
It’s like he chose abandonment over his own family. Like family coming first never occurred to him. As if Sarah and Jim weren’t good enough for him. Like Sarah trying so hard to have a peaceful and happy family with Leland, but it was never enough.
Good thought But however a character is actually the hidden Mr Hawkins, John Silver. Strange right, however Jim was younger in the flashbacks and after the war, Mr Hawkins left war to receive cyborg treatment since he was likely wounded from the war and needed to return home to the Hawkins household 4 years later when Jim is 12 years old. So then he left to sign up with Captain Amelia’s ship crew with Mr Arrow. This is proven true, as at the end of the film, he gives money to Jim to restore the Benbow, possibly because he remembers his lost son. He also seems to connect with Jim, as if he already knows how to, and they even ride on a ship (mainly shown in the montage) just like you said about Jim’s bedroom. So yes John Silver is a cyborg recreation of Mr Hawkins and knows how to comfort his son in a way that shows he is Jim’s dad, Finally the case is closed!
Maybe he went missing or died while he was deployed and that’s why Jim’s mom keeps the name and I think it’s probably more accurate that in the window scene I think Jim is missing his father and looking to the sky cause that’s where he deploys
Sure, it could have been that his dad was mean or even the whole military thing.. but maybe he didn't bother with a goodbye because he would be coming back home when his "adventure/mission" was complete.. Maybe his dad even died, and that's why he hasn't returned.. Although, based off of the book of his character, It is still more likely he can't handle the family life and decided to stay in space.. which leads back to your guy's point, this was probably his idea of making the break easier if he hadn't returned, and just left them alone altogether. 👀
Interesting theory, it does make sense but I never considered his job as a reason for him leaving. Not only is this my all time favorite Disney film but I have written multiple fanfictions about Jim, one of which involves his dad. I read something that confirmed that Leland couldn't handle the responsibility of having a family and left (no other specific reason like a job/mission), which is what I think happened. Anyway before I wrote anything I did a crazy amount of research and watched the movie repeatedly for clues (and because I love it haha). But back to the clues that led me to thinking his dad just left: - Jim says "he was more the taking off and never coming back sort." Now this could just be Jim's perception of his dad's job (if he was in the Royal Navy? Army?). But the way Jim bitterly describes his dad sounds more like a man who took off because he couldn't take being tied down and wanted adventure. -A couple of sites also list Sarah as his ex-wife indicating that yes they did split but for some reason she kept the name. Why? Maybe changing her name back would be more trouble than she wanted to deal with. I know it doesn't sound like a very good reason but couldn't really think of another. -Another site also points out that Leland was a spacer which is such a general term it could mean he did anything from military to other work to simply being a traveler. -Leland's clothing. I know we don't really see him in the film however there is a still shot of him as he's leaving Montressor for the last time. However the clothes he's wearing aren't a uniform, in fact it's similar to what older Jim wears (v-neck baggy shirt, cargo pants, leather jacket). If he was going for a mission it wouldn't make sense for him to wear civilian clothes. Also it's hard to see but he wears his hair in a ponytail, not a hairstyle the military would allow. Remember the end of the film when Jim becomes a cadet and his rat tail is missing? Ok maybe it was tucked into his jacket collar but he likely had to cut it off due to it not being military regulation. -When Sarah says "ever since his father left." Again the way she says it sounds more like he decided to leave and was not assigned a mission of any kind. Her voice sounds like that of a person who's been left for personal reasons not because of a job or mission. -The day Leland leaves. Ok so you pointed out that Jim woke up and realized he was late in saying goodbye to his dad indicating that his leaving wasn't a surprise. True it wasn't, as Jim stated Leland was always taking off. But what if this was Leland leaving for good, splitting with Sarah and Jim knew that so that's why he's so panicked about not saying goodbye to his dad because he knows Leland isn't coming home. He's not leaving for a job, he's moving out (hence the rucksack) and the personal vessel waiting for him is the equivalent of a friend/colleague picking him up and taking him wherever. Now I know what you're thinking if he's moving out wouldn't he have more than just a rucksack? It's possible that he moved his other possessions out beforehand (again this is how Jim knows Leland's going for good) or since he wants to travel the galaxy he doesn't need a lot of material possessions. -Also it doesn't seem like Leland left them with any kind of support and doesn't communicate with them which even if he was doing the whole volunteer colonization thing he'd send something back. Yes we all know Leland is selfish and doesn't seem to care at all about his family which would leave a mission like that as a perfect gateway to leave but wouldn't they at least be getting updates of some kind from someone? After he leaves it's like he just vanished. So yeah I think Leland just left because he couldn't handle the responsibility of having a family and wanted to be on his own. I think he'd already planned it out and told his family that's why they're not shocked at his walking away. I don't think his job was a part of it. But that's just me, still enjoyed your video.
The most intense scene that will probably happen is Jim, now had a family of his own and is now a ship captain himself, is setting course for a mission or order given to him by his superiors and while cruising towards their destination, they were suddenly attacked by pirates along the way. Jim and his crew fought the invading pirates who now manage to board their ship but in the end Jim and his crew were defeated. Jim, alongside his crew, now find themselves at the mercy of their captors. They were tied down forming a circle in the middle of the ship. Suddenly, the pirate captain, a tall well built man, boarded the ship, he slowly walks towards where Jim and his crew were being tied and he and Jim look each other eye to eye. The captain, look astonishingly at Jim. He knows he'd seen Jim's face somewhere but forgets where or when he did. Jim on the other hand, looks at the bearded guy with contempt and seeing the astonished, probing look of the pirate captain, looks away from the man. Then, the pirate captain ordered his crew to take their captives along with the ship with them back to their port. Needless to say Jim and his crew were given a hard time by their captors. Some of his crew were being ordered and slaved around by these pirates. Jim himself fell victim to their taunts. One day, Jim offended a certain high ranking officer of the pirates. He was immediately punished and whipped. Suddenly, the pirate captain appeared behind the scene, curious as to what the commotion is all about and then as he move closer saw what was going on. Immediately, the captain yelled at his crew to stop what they are doing, telling them that no one is allowed to torment or punish anyone of their captives without his permission. After a short and tense dialogue with the officer who ordered Jim's whipping the pirate captain goes to Jim and help him pick himself up. Now I had lot more scene to say after all this event but its gonna take some time so I'm gonna fast things forward. So now, eventually the pirate captain and Jim find a common ground and slowly become friends. At this time Jim and his crew were no longer treated badly by the pirates and now had an understanding. So along the way, as the brotherly relationship between Jim and the pirate captain grew stronger, they now open up to each other on who they are and what's the story of each of their lives. Jim talk first, and tell his life story from the day he was a child until what he is now and as he narrates his story the pirate captain was stunned. His eyes grew wide as memories of his forgotten past came back to him like rushing flood. No wonder Jim is familiar to him, no wonder he could feel a deed connection to him, this boy Jim, whom he considered as his brother and friend is none other than his own son! Since the day he lost his way trying to follow a futile dream, since that very day he sold his whole being to do what any good man shouldn't do, since the day he became a pirate, he tried to bury his past knowing all to well that whoever he is now will only bring more sorrow and grief to those whom he deeply treasure particularly his own family. Hearing everything that Jim had said, the captain was in disbelief, he slowly back away, a look of surprise, confusion and dread on his face. Seeing this, Jim was astonished. He asked the captain what's wrong and the captain, who seemed to snap himself out, tell Jim that it was nothing and that simply gave an excuse that it is getting late and that they should rest for tomorrow, since it was late in the evening during the time the two of them talked to each other. As the captain watch Jim walk away, a feeling of sorrow hit him. As the captain turned his back to head towards his quarters, you can see a tear fall from his eye as he wept silently as he walk towards his destination... So this is all for now and I'll leave the rest of what is going to happen next to whoever of you who will read my theory on what is going to be the situation if Jim meets his father. All of those that I had written above are my speculation on how and what will be the scene if Jim finally meets his father... I kinda just had the urge to share it so yeah, here it is...🙂✌️
I feel like Leland was a surprise baby. And Leland and Sarah got married as it was the “honorable” thing. But his heart could not be tied down, and the life of being a father wasn’t for him, heck maybe he even had his own father issues.
Also if Jim's dad was in the military on those boats he probably learned to tie knots from his father which is why he already knew how in the one scene.
yeah i think his father was just the immature uninvested jerk-type cuz we see in a discution with Jim and Silver in the begining of their treasure Planet journey: John Silver: Didn't your pap ever teach you to pick your fights a bit more carefully? [Jim looks away] John Silver: Your father not the teachin' sort? Jim Hawkins: No. He was more the "taking off and never coming back" sort.
Rushing into a relationship at the age of 19 would make a potential father pretty immature and would have to grown up quickly if he wanted to. If his heart was set on the stars then he shouldn’t have married so soon, but of course we would have Treasure Planet.
It's based on treasure island, in the book his father dies early on. My guess is they made the father leave to add to Jim making him desire a father figure who was there.
MAYBE HIS FATHER DID NOT SAY GOODBYE BECAUSE HE EXPECTED TO RETURN BACK HOME SOME TIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE, BUT THEN BY SOME REASON WASN'T ABLE TO (ie. sudden death) ???
I already figured out that Jim's dad probably didn't want to be a father & regretted getting married too young that's why he left that's what you get for being immature. I like to think maybe Jim ran into his dad years later after Jim grew up & Jim was angry & bitter at his dad leaving him his dad says he wasn't ready to be a father & it was too much for him. Jim just said "Well you shouldn't have married my mother."
Personally I always felt he was drafted and he died in combat serving his sector of space bravely, but before that point he was basically an Aux guy who just banged on a type writer.
This movie was already sad enough, but now that we have at least some form of canon evidence for why Jim's dad left, it's even sadder. I think the truest theory is that Leland just didn't want a family. He wasn't able to take responsibility for it and the first chance he got to leave, he took it. It sounds at face value like he's a jerk, and to be fair, he is, but some people aren't fit to be parents. And sometimes they don't realize this until after the fact.
I like this theory. I will say that the phrase "his father/mother left" is a common euphamism for married people who are divorced/separated, especially around their kids. My parents were separated for most of my life, so I heard the phrase a lot. Even so, I like this theory and will add that it's possible that Mrs. Hawkins was crying because this was a battle that she's been fighting with her husband for ages: don't leave for the navy/whatever new job that will take him away from his family for a long time, maybe forever if he gets killed. It works with Leland's personality as metnioned in that book - I know quite a few guys that joined the military because of fanciful notions of traveling, being a hero, etc and not really considering how tough the job will be and (if they're in a relationship or having a famility) not really considering the impact it could have on those they left behind. If this is the case for Leland, it really speaks to the note about immaturity.
For a film that's over 20 years old....the way the film portrays the effects of abandonment on a young person's psyche, especially on a male psyche especially if the father abandons the mother and child first without making the story revolve around it myopically is masterful storytelling.
That is true, it does really tell a good story in that subplot and weave it into how the character develops. And it makes Silver such a "humanized" (I know he's a dog/cyborg) villain - I think Silver deserves way more love than Hades.
Omg always amazing my girl! Hey can you do a theory about what happened in Atlantis the Lost Empire about how they sank? What exactly happened?! I’ve been pondering to this day. Why did it flood? How did the crystal become conscious? PLEASE DO THIS THEORY ;-; Anyways man I love all of your vids!
Came straight from Issac’s videos. This is a great video - I was wondered what happened to Jim’s Dad, as the I’m Still Here scene really got me every time. 🙂⭐️✨
Imma say it... Treasure Planet is better than Frozen 2 and should've gotten the same hype if not, even more recognition than the Frozen franchise. I'll never forget this great film!
I love Treasure Planet so much.. As a kid, I assumed that Jim's father died.. I know very little about the military but I know that you're able to contact your family and friends at least occasionally.. and since we don't hear anything about him contacting them, I kind of assumed he was dead.. but if he was dead, then I feel that everyone would talk about him as if he were dead..but they don't, they just say "he left".. and you guys mentioned that he was young when he became a father, so maybe while he's away, he's trying to come to terms with everything? If you have kids when you're young, you sometimes don't know who you are yet, and it can take a very long time to find out who you are. Something I really loved about Treasure Planet, is that Jim does gain a sort of father figure, Silver. I mean..yeah..Silver does do pirate-y things and is mean or outright cruel and cold toward Jim, but he can never find it in himself to abandon Jim or hurt him.. at least, from what I can recall from the movie.. It feels like Silver helps Jim deal with his issues and gain closure on his father leaving him, and the scene where he gives Jim gold and jewels to help his mother? OMG my heart.. Oops..I'm ranting and raving about the movie..sorry
Part of me wonders if he didn’t turn around because it would make leaving harder. Like “if I go back, I won’t be able to leave again.” I know that doesn’t match the rest of his actions, but there are people who are gruff and abrasive because they’re convinced that they’ll only disappoint anyone who actually cares about them.
I always thought that Jim's dad didn't say goodbye because he thought he was coming back and then something happened to him. :c The art book makes it so much sadder/shadiers jfc
plot twist: what if john silver was Jim's father for along time before. 🤔 In the previous montage, we saw that Jim's dad left (or gave up) his family to leave for an unknown reason. Maybe Silver is mentioning that If Jim's dad left for the space Navy, that could make sense, as he may have been space-ship-wrecked, marooned, or may have mutinied the captain of a ship he was poseted on (Giving up old life for his own ambitions) this could explain how he lost limbs
I can't help it, but when the "cylindrical duffel bag" was brought up and then barraks bags (essentially laundry bags) were shown as example I laughed pretty hard. I like the theory though. It's unpopular but it's one of my favorite Disney movies.
Your theory is good bit I kinda have 1 too. We all know that work pressure is a major cause of many a marriage breakdown & Jim's dad being in the Military had a valid excuse for leaving but did not actually want to divorce cuz he still had some feelings left for his wife (even though he never showed them). Another factor is the condition P.T.S.D. (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder), could Jim's dad have been a long - time sufferer of this mental disorder? If so, it would explain why he couldn't bond with his son & when he left, he perhaps knew that his condition would ruin whatever family life he had if he had chosen to stay.
I always assumed he was a soldier or spacer leaving on deployment/voyage and didn't make it. Much happier scenario to lose someone who loves you than to be abandoned by someone who doesnt care about you.
I think the abandonment made it more realistic for kids who have had a parent leave them. Sometimes the happy stuff Disney puts out isn't always the case.
Oh my GOD your hair is AWESOME. Great theory btw. I love this movie and not enough people love it like i do and just bypass it like no i wanna know what happened to his father dammit
My bf has a theory that Jim's father could be silver, he told me specific details that their eyes resembles and when silver mentions about chasing the stars (like the guy said about Jim's dad "had his eyes on the stars before jim was born")maybe Jim's father did chase a star but lost his arms and legs or being mutated with no memory of his past. Thus giving Jim's father a chance to be a fatherly figure for Jim. Idk that's my bf's theory.
I know I am late to the party but I think the reason for why Jim's dad didn't say bye to him was that he didn't want to maby rethink of going to either the new planet or to battle against the pirates cause what father wants to say goodbye to there son knowing that it would probably be the last time he would see him (just my head cannon)
OR he could already be dead but the report couldn't make it back at home due to communication errors or because no one was there when he died. Plus, he could be trying to hide how he actually feels and resisted turning around. He could secretly be crying on the inside. But let's just stick to this theory.
Can you talk about spirited away the movie it's a classic maybe you did a theory on it I'm unsure. But I love that movie. Any classic anime, pixar, stop motion. They made up my childhood and that's a very timeless thing.
Yes some adults want relationships but not children. I think Jim's mother not waking him shows that she didn't want her son to see just how uninterested the father he looked up really was about being a parent. She's sad not just because Hawkins leaving but also that she was unable to convince her husband that their family was worth staying around for. So glad this collab happened! You and Issac are amon my fave UA-camrs and come up with great theories.
I'm so glad you liked it and that Isaac agreed to work with me on this these two videos! And, that's true, I think Sarah was just so torn apart that she couldn't handle waking Jim up to break his heart too. Not an easy position to be in at all as the mom!
Poor Sarah, I agree. And Issac's awesome so I can why you're glad he went for two videos. That was epic.
I want an relationship AND cute children.
@@TheFangirlWatchesI’ve always wondered that to your my new best friend
The most convincing part of this theory is that the boat WAS there waiting for him. Therefore, it couldn't have been a sudden thing for him to take off after a fight and we know it wasn't just there waiting like a bus, because it leaves the moment he steps onto the ship. Also, if it was a fight, why wouldn't that have woke up Jim instead of the sun on his face? Before this, I always thought Jim's father simply didn't see him running after him before getting on the boat.
Also you see Jim look out the window like he knew his father would be heading there.
Seems too much of a coincidence.
My theory is that the fight already happened the day or night before, with Jim's mom telling Leland not to take the job that would make him be away for so long, giving him an ultimatum to choose them or the job. By the next morning, the two see each other and he leaves, making her break down into tears and wake Jim from his sleep.
@@tjjordan4207 maybe he heard his parents arguing the night before and remembered when he woke up
@@icecreamkitty2735 It's possible. But I like the idea more that Jim's father literally up and left them behind. It's one of those "less is more", where the simplest of explanations can be more relatable. So many kids, teens, and adults can connect to a character whose parent or parents left them. If it was purely because his dad left for work somewhere else and Jim just woke up late to speak with him then the impact is not as strong, as it implies that Jim will see him again if he comes back alive. Plus, is it too much for the dude to knock on his son's door to wake him up?! Nah, he totally left them behind.
@@tjjordan4207 at least "up and left" would make me feel better if that was the truth for me
Who knew an art book could really show how well crafted a world really was. This was a really interesting one.
*This movie will be remembered well*
*curb your enthusiasm theme*
Yes (^_^)
While this theory does hold weight, it actually takes away more than it gives. Jim's dad just up and abandoning his family is a very real thing that many kids go through in life, even being neglected. And it's relatable.
You guys had a much "happier" theory over Jim's father then me lol.
My theory being, Leland went on a expedition and died in war/against pirates.
And as for him leaving the family, I agree he might have had no idea what he was doing as a father and couldn't handle being such a bad dad for his son. And the ship leaving as soon as he boards, I believe maybe he waited as long as he could because Jim overslept, his mother was crying because of the waiting and the seperation, the ship left as soon as he arrived because he was really late and they had to leave.
And for not waving it could have been a way of telling Jim to move forward in life, and never look back, like he couldn't look back at his son as he left because it would prevent him from moving forward in his job, and he knew there was a chance he might never return.
But that's just a theory! A FI----
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This film is such a witty take and dare I gush: Ground breaking! re-telling. The motivations for Jim to trust Long John Silver are perfectly modernized with the single parent/absent parent families of today. Even the parrot is wittily transformed into the creature morph and the robot who has (literally) "lost his mind" make me love it even more. I just adore the film.
Speaking of which, I'm starting to think someone should make a video asking if Long John Silver might be sexist, because he tried to dethrone Captain Amelia (the character I was hugely obsessed with) because he perceived her as an oppressive tyrant and almost succeeded by kidnapping her and threatening to kill her, whereas Amelia perceived Silver as a toxic masculine stereotype who doesn't deserve to brutally take her rights as a captain away by killing her and permanently taking her place on her ship!
@@SaraHouck461 I thought Long John just saw the captain as a threat. Nothing more, nothing less. No different than say, Mr. Yam/Shan Yu wanting to kill Mulan.
@@jeffreygao3956 I'm personally under the impression that right after Amelia got kidnapped, she received a rather cliched "reason you suck" speech from that cyborg on how he easily perceived her as an oppressive tyrant!
this is one if the greatest animated movies ever in my opinion. happy u made a theory on it!
I thought the expressions alone in this movie were so great. There is so much of a story in their faces alone!
i love the world the created the most. to me the moon base is still the most amazing thing ive ever seen in a animated movie.
The Fangirl. Your theory is good bit I kinda have 1 too. We all know that work pressure is a major cause of many a marriage breakdown & Jim's dad being in the Military had a valid excuse for leaving but did not actually want to divorce cuz he still had some feelings left for his wife (even though he never showed them). Another factor is the condition P.T.S.D. (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder), could Jim's dad have been a long - time sufferer of this mental disorder? If so, it would explain why he couldn't bond with his son & when he left, he perhaps knew that his condition would ruin whatever family life he had if he had chosen to stay.
horray! ^w^
This movie is absolutely amazing, but it's only second on my list cause I love howls moving castle more
I always got the impression his dad didn't say goodbye is cause he couldn't bring himself too. Some people have a hard time expressing emotions so they try avoiding situations where they have too. This doesn't mean they don't care, they just aren't comfortable showing that they care. It's really sad. =(
Yeah. Maybe he cared about Jim but not enough to stay.
Maybe saying goodbye would have been to hard for him as he knew if he said goodbye to his wife and son he wouldn't be emotionally capable to go. Although he may not have invested in his family it doesn't mean that he didn't love them so when he learnt that he would have to leave soon he started distancing himself to save his mission and Jim at the same time.
I completely agree with this. Another possibility is that he full heartedly knew he was coming back in a few days (such as a repair, resupply, or other simple deployment) before a pirate crew(perhaps even silver or billy bones) opened fire and a year mission turned into an eternal sleep in the Ethereum.
Fanfic idea:
Years after the events that occurred in “Treasure Planet,” Jim is in his mid-20’s to early 30’s, possibly has a wife and baby of his own, but has definitely found success in some career (whatever that may be). Leland returns, having grown up more and matured as a person, and wants to reconnect with his son; only to find out that that sorta thing is easier said than done, and…
“ Well, this is awkward… “
Sooo you want a rehash of Aladdin and the King of Thieves?
Interesting.
Really wish this could have been a trilogy, where the 3rd film focuses on that
@@Kladyos but um you realise parents can try to reconnect with children, that ‘argument’ doesn’t work
Imagine if Jim became a captain of his own ship and his dad became part of his crew👀
Maybe it has been a while when I last saw the movie but I started to assume his father died. The guy that visited the house gave his mother the bad news. He was a friend of his father and came to pay his repects. Jim got up in a hury because it was the day his father was due to come back and he was excited. Then he saw the family friend leaving. The boat taking him back was due to leave soon and so the family friend was on a tight schedule to leave and didn't want to relay the bad news a second time. And the reason Jim and his mother kept saying he left was because his death was still a raw subject and they didn't want to say die aloud as a way of copeing with it.
What about the duffel bag though
@@sky_skipper Yeah we literally saw him earlier in the movie wearing the same shit the same bag.
Also Jim did say "He's the type to pack up and never come back"
Yes! Finally someone's covering this subject!!
i coulda sworn treasure planet was dreamworks and not disney but either way it’s literally my fav animated movie lol
It's definitely Disney. I would know.
Are you thinking of Sinbad? I got the two mixed up when I was younger...
Fun fact to support this theory, in the real world english royal navy privateers and sailors would be away from home for years, sometimes 10 or more when they received orders, and given that the book mentions Jim's dad "took up to greener pastures" implies he either became a royal navy sailor, or a privateer, heck silver might even know Jim's dad in some form.
People say Elsa and Anna's parents are the worst biological parents in the Disney Library
but Leland Hawkins abandoned his son for his own selfish desires
if that ain't the worst Disney parent ever i don't know what is lol
I say biological because Gothel and Frollo are obviously the worst adopted parents xD
Could you imagine Gothel and Frollo raising the same child?! What a mess that poor kid would be!
That would be a total nightmare! That kid would either be really damaged or really evil haha
@BKgirl483 Well, we don't know why he left.
Chicken littles dad is the worst
What about aladdin father leave him too.
I think another possible reason he didn't say goodbye would be that he didn't want it to be anymore painful than it already was. Or something like that.
While I think this theory of a military deployment would have added more depth to the characters the simple truth is in the art book. If you pause at 6:12 you can read most of the page. Basically Leland was always chasing money and ended up with a family he didn’t really want so he “took off for greener pastures”. It’s sad but a very realistic scenario.
Also the reason Jim woke up was because he must of heard someone or something coming from the docked ship. Waking startled, adding to the fact he woke up late, and being punished by his Father leaving with saying a word. I also find that Leland may not have been a cruel man but because he married Sarah so young also must mean something. Sarah is at least 35 in the film that means that Jim's Father has been gone for 7 years by the films start. I have no doubt that Leland was a man that had one thing on his mind to make life good for his family. Only problem it was at a cost. Leland worked so long that he was distant from Jim, and in the end took what he wanted and needed to do. It's also clear that Sarah isn't getting much money from the inn, seeing is she's the only worker along with Jim. If I missed someone pardon me. This means that Leland has yet to make it on his mission. Also it's clear that Jim is taking a part from his Father, but instead of being a military man, he joins the Navy. I have no doubt that these two will come in contact again, though lets hope that Leland has matured enough not to be jealous of his own son's fame.
No
Not all divorced women change their names back to their Maiden Name; especially if they had children. My Mom kept her ex husband’s name until she married my Dad.
I've had quite the fondness for Treasure Planet since I saw it in theaters when I was 12. I kind of astounds me you can the discern all this from just the film and the little bits of background material that came with it and basically take an assumption many who saw the film take for granted and turn it right on its head.
I think Jim's dad knew Jim would try to stop that Jim would try his hardest to stop him from leaving. I think he would just be easier to leave before Jim realized. Obviously Jim woke earlier then he expected. And managed to see him right before he left
HOLY COW YOU'RE GETTING AT ALL THE MOVIES I HOLD CLOSE TO MY HEART. I LOVE THIS SO MUCH.
Hmmm, intriguing. I can see more of the reasons that Jim's dad left and how it could make him a more developed character but either way, he's still a bit of a selfish jerk for not saying goodbye to Jim. You have parenting issues when a criminal does a better job at being a father figure.
Well it could also be because he was too cowardly to face his son and thought he was better off without him.
I relate to the I'm still here scene in a personal way. My dad was USMC and was away on deployment alot so I barely knew him and I still don't know that well him to this day. My mom had to work and raise 3 rowdy kids, one who needed extra attention since being diagnosed with autism, that child being me. When dad was around he would occasionally drink, get angry and get into a fight with mom. One day I found him passed out on the couch in a blanket of beer cans. When he was away my mom tried her best to keep us clothed, have good hygiene, and make sure we were well disciplined, AKA getting hit with a belt, sometimes in the face. My dad being gone for a good 6 to 8 months was quite for me and my siblings but my mom decided to go out and party when she had time off from work, she was 27 at the time and I didn't know then she was sleeping with all the guys she brought home, either from a party or from work. To wrap this all up one day I wanted to go see my dad leave off in an amtrak but all he said was no. To this day, I'm happy he said no, the less I know the better
I recently re-watched this film and just want to say thank you for your collaboration and commentary video about this. I always wondered about Jim's dad. It's a shame there was not a follow up to this series. Though it did not do well overall, for me, it was a precious memory.
ive never thought of Jim's father being military. If this is the case then i believe that the reason he didnt say goodbye to Jim was because he didnt want to make it harder for him. What if he was going to war or he knew that the probablity of being attacked by pirates in a certain section of the galaxy was very high? I dont know. Maybe hes just a cold person who just didnt want to say goodbye to his son, could even be that Jim was not planned and his parents got married in a rush.
His dad is silver. At the end of the movie he looks up to the sky out the window(like he did in the "I'm still here" message)and the star lights up in silvers eye which mean he was casing the stars and lost his arm and legs. Also we see that silver isn't good with emotional feels so what if he left without saying goodbye to Jim he wanted to not put any emotion in it.
I always thought that this theory was what they wanted to portray in the movie. I grew up in a military family, so what I saw in the movie I had that experience, watching my dad leave for deployments.
You HAVE a Voyage of Discovery!!!!! I saw that book sitting beside you an nearly choked I can not even BELIEVE. that's a 200 dollar book right there my jealously BURNS. The salt is REAL. like yes it's a library copy, but just being able to TOUCH that book!
Does your local library connect with others? That’s how I tracked down this copy, by search through the libraries online catalogue!
The fangirl AND wotso videos? AWESOME
Another hypothesis is that his father was deployed, and died during service. His mother crying could also be mourning, with him being so young he didn't understand what getting on that boat meant and is sad about not being able to say goodbye. To me him not giving Jim attention looks more like he was extremely tired, but still tried with the head pat.
Though there isn't a lot of evidence, your "colonization" theory has an alternate explanation, and possibly a sadder one. Jim's father was lost in the Ethereum and his mother refuses to fully exept he's gone never telling jim hoping he would be found. Combine this with his swift departure, possibly being explained by a quick deployment for a small cargo run or a deployment to repair the space port, and you have Jim feeling more abandoned than simply morning the loss of his father.
I love this movie and as much as I want to know answers to a few questions, I feel like not knowing them adds a certain beauty that makes this movie so great, so in that regard I'm ok with not knowing
I have wondered this for YEARS! Thank you!😍
Thank you for tuning in!
The Fangirl you’re welcome. I’m huge fan of both of you guys😎
Thank you so much for this. I love this underrated Disney film. I repeated watching it many times, and never get tired of it. And still amazed about the theories I've watched from this content.
Thank you so much for coming to watch! :)
To be honest, I always assumed that Leland had gotten married at a young age because he believed in love and Sara was pregnant. He worked in the mines and just wasn't happy with his happy. He felt overwhelmed with the family, no gratification from working in the mines, and willinly started staying out late with friends. He felt his family was a burden and it caused a lot of strain between him and Sara. Eventually an opportunity came when a merchant ship came through and he decided that he wanted to go restart. So he did, leaving his family behind.
This is more realistic rather than Jims dad dying like every other parent in Disney it's for kids
Alright! Great theory. I honestly never thought of Jim's dad. All I had about him was that he's the type of guy who, in Jim's words, was the "type who keeps running away and never coming back." Thank you for at least giving us more details and hints about the world of Treasure Planet!
What if he didn't want to wake him up bacause it was painful to see his son upset or crying before leaving. What if he thought he might now want to leave if he saw his son's face all covered in tears.
It’s like he chose abandonment over his own family. Like family coming first never occurred to him. As if Sarah and Jim weren’t good enough for him. Like Sarah trying so hard to have a peaceful and happy family with Leland, but it was never enough.
Good thought
But however a character is actually the hidden Mr Hawkins, John Silver. Strange right, however Jim was younger in the flashbacks and after the war, Mr Hawkins left war to receive cyborg treatment since he was likely wounded from the war and needed to return home to the Hawkins household 4 years later when Jim is 12 years old. So then he left to sign up with Captain Amelia’s ship crew with Mr Arrow. This is proven true, as at the end of the film, he gives money to Jim to restore the Benbow, possibly because he remembers his lost son. He also seems to connect with Jim, as if he already knows how to, and they even ride on a ship (mainly shown in the montage) just like you said about Jim’s bedroom. So yes John Silver is a cyborg recreation of Mr Hawkins and knows how to comfort his son in a way that shows he is Jim’s dad, Finally the case is closed!
But John Silver isn't exactly a human, so how would that work out?
Wrong actually it's because he was the one who trashed the Inn
The end of the movie show that silver was his dad
@@ZAYA.21 no I don't think so I think it showed he was like a father to him.
@@sibs544 but I thought the star that shined throw his eye was a refence to Jim dad who had his eye on the stars and lost his amy and legs
I like the that they had Jims father abandon him it made the movie more relatable for younger kids who have had that happen.
Two of my favorite UA-camrs together. You guys make great theories and videos!
Maybe he went missing or died while he was deployed and that’s why Jim’s mom keeps the name and I think it’s probably more accurate that in the window scene I think Jim is missing his father and looking to the sky cause that’s where he deploys
Thank you for clearing this up. When I watched this as a kid, I was so confused about why the dad left.
Sure, it could have been that his dad was mean or even the whole military thing.. but maybe he didn't bother with a goodbye because he would be coming back home when his "adventure/mission" was complete.. Maybe his dad even died, and that's why he hasn't returned.. Although, based off of the book of his character, It is still more likely he can't handle the family life and decided to stay in space.. which leads back to your guy's point, this was probably his idea of making the break easier if he hadn't returned, and just left them alone altogether. 👀
Interesting theory, it does make sense but I never considered his job as a reason for him leaving. Not only is this my all time favorite Disney film but I have written multiple fanfictions about Jim, one of which involves his dad. I read something that confirmed that Leland couldn't handle the responsibility of having a family and left (no other specific reason like a job/mission), which is what I think happened. Anyway before I wrote anything I did a crazy amount of research and watched the movie repeatedly for clues (and because I love it haha). But back to the clues that led me to thinking his dad just left:
- Jim says "he was more the taking off and never coming back sort." Now this could just be Jim's perception of his dad's job (if he was in the Royal Navy? Army?). But the way Jim bitterly describes his dad sounds more like a man who took off because he couldn't take being tied down and wanted adventure.
-A couple of sites also list Sarah as his ex-wife indicating that yes they did split but for some reason she kept the name. Why? Maybe changing her name back would be more trouble than she wanted to deal with. I know it doesn't sound like a very good reason but couldn't really think of another.
-Another site also points out that Leland was a spacer which is such a general term it could mean he did anything from military to other work to simply being a traveler.
-Leland's clothing. I know we don't really see him in the film however there is a still shot of him as he's leaving Montressor for the last time. However the clothes he's wearing aren't a uniform, in fact it's similar to what older Jim wears (v-neck baggy shirt, cargo pants, leather jacket). If he was going for a mission it wouldn't make sense for him to wear civilian clothes. Also it's hard to see but he wears his hair in a ponytail, not a hairstyle the military would allow. Remember the end of the film when Jim becomes a cadet and his rat tail is missing? Ok maybe it was tucked into his jacket collar but he likely had to cut it off due to it not being military regulation.
-When Sarah says "ever since his father left." Again the way she says it sounds more like he decided to leave and was not assigned a mission of any kind. Her voice sounds like that of a person who's been left for personal reasons not because of a job or mission.
-The day Leland leaves. Ok so you pointed out that Jim woke up and realized he was late in saying goodbye to his dad indicating that his leaving wasn't a surprise. True it wasn't, as Jim stated Leland was always taking off. But what if this was Leland leaving for good, splitting with Sarah and Jim knew that so that's why he's so panicked about not saying goodbye to his dad because he knows Leland isn't coming home. He's not leaving for a job, he's moving out (hence the rucksack) and the personal vessel waiting for him is the equivalent of a friend/colleague picking him up and taking him wherever. Now I know what you're thinking if he's moving out wouldn't he have more than just a rucksack? It's possible that he moved his other possessions out beforehand (again this is how Jim knows Leland's going for good) or since he wants to travel the galaxy he doesn't need a lot of material possessions.
-Also it doesn't seem like Leland left them with any kind of support and doesn't communicate with them which even if he was doing the whole volunteer colonization thing he'd send something back. Yes we all know Leland is selfish and doesn't seem to care at all about his family which would leave a mission like that as a perfect gateway to leave but wouldn't they at least be getting updates of some kind from someone? After he leaves it's like he just vanished.
So yeah I think Leland just left because he couldn't handle the responsibility of having a family and wanted to be on his own. I think he'd already planned it out and told his family that's why they're not shocked at his walking away. I don't think his job was a part of it. But that's just me, still enjoyed your video.
Also apologies for making this so long, tried to shorten it.
I want treasure planet 2 with Jim finding his father and finding out he’s the legendary black space beard
The most intense scene that will probably happen is Jim, now had a family of his own and is now a ship captain himself, is setting course for a mission or order given to him by his superiors and while cruising towards their destination, they were suddenly attacked by pirates along the way. Jim and his crew fought the invading pirates who now manage to board their ship but in the end Jim and his crew were defeated. Jim, alongside his crew, now find themselves at the mercy of their captors. They were tied down forming a circle in the middle of the ship. Suddenly, the pirate captain, a tall well built man, boarded the ship, he slowly walks towards where Jim and his crew were being tied and he and Jim look each other eye to eye. The captain, look astonishingly at Jim. He knows he'd seen Jim's face somewhere but forgets where or when he did. Jim on the other hand, looks at the bearded guy with contempt and seeing the astonished, probing look of the pirate captain, looks away from the man. Then, the pirate captain ordered his crew to take their captives along with the ship with them back to their port. Needless to say Jim and his crew were given a hard time by their captors. Some of his crew were being ordered and slaved around by these pirates. Jim himself fell victim to their taunts. One day, Jim offended a certain high ranking officer of the pirates. He was immediately punished and whipped. Suddenly, the pirate captain appeared behind the scene, curious as to what the commotion is all about and then as he move closer saw what was going on. Immediately, the captain yelled at his crew to stop what they are doing, telling them that no one is allowed to torment or punish anyone of their captives without his permission. After a short and tense dialogue with the officer who ordered Jim's whipping the pirate captain goes to Jim and help him pick himself up. Now I had lot more scene to say after all this event but its gonna take some time so I'm gonna fast things forward. So now, eventually the pirate captain and Jim find a common ground and slowly become friends. At this time Jim and his crew were no longer treated badly by the pirates and now had an understanding. So along the way, as the brotherly relationship between Jim and the pirate captain grew stronger, they now open up to each other on who they are and what's the story of each of their lives. Jim talk first, and tell his life story from the day he was a child until what he is now and as he narrates his story the pirate captain was stunned. His eyes grew wide as memories of his forgotten past came back to him like rushing flood. No wonder Jim is familiar to him, no wonder he could feel a deed connection to him, this boy Jim, whom he considered as his brother and friend is none other than his own son! Since the day he lost his way trying to follow a futile dream, since that very day he sold his whole being to do what any good man shouldn't do, since the day he became a pirate, he tried to bury his past knowing all to well that whoever he is now will only bring more sorrow and grief to those whom he deeply treasure particularly his own family. Hearing everything that Jim had said, the captain was in disbelief, he slowly back away, a look of surprise, confusion and dread on his face. Seeing this, Jim was astonished. He asked the captain what's wrong and the captain, who seemed to snap himself out, tell Jim that it was nothing and that simply gave an excuse that it is getting late and that they should rest for tomorrow, since it was late in the evening during the time the two of them talked to each other. As the captain watch Jim walk away, a feeling of sorrow hit him. As the captain turned his back to head towards his quarters, you can see a tear fall from his eye as he wept silently as he walk towards his destination... So this is all for now and I'll leave the rest of what is going to happen next to whoever of you who will read my theory on what is going to be the situation if Jim meets his father. All of those that I had written above are my speculation on how and what will be the scene if Jim finally meets his father... I kinda just had the urge to share it so yeah, here it is...🙂✌️
I feel like Leland was a surprise baby. And Leland and Sarah got married as it was the “honorable” thing. But his heart could not be tied down, and the life of being a father wasn’t for him, heck maybe he even had his own father issues.
Also if Jim's dad was in the military on those boats he probably learned to tie knots from his father which is why he already knew how in the one scene.
yeah i think his father was just the immature uninvested jerk-type cuz we see in a discution with Jim and Silver in the begining of their treasure Planet journey:
John Silver: Didn't your pap ever teach you to pick your fights a bit more carefully?
[Jim looks away]
John Silver: Your father not the teachin' sort?
Jim Hawkins: No. He was more the "taking off and never coming back" sort.
Rushing into a relationship at the age of 19 would make a potential father pretty immature and would have to grown up quickly if he wanted to. If his heart was set on the stars then he shouldn’t have married so soon, but of course we would have Treasure Planet.
It's based on treasure island, in the book his father dies early on. My guess is they made the father leave to add to Jim making him desire a father figure who was there.
MAYBE HIS FATHER DID NOT SAY GOODBYE BECAUSE HE EXPECTED TO RETURN BACK HOME SOME TIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE, BUT THEN BY SOME REASON WASN'T ABLE TO (ie. sudden death) ???
Frick. Y’all just punched me in the face with so many feels. I did not need this.
I’m just kidding. I totally needed this.
I've just watched the film again. Almost cried
This movie was so good at doing that, eh?
I already figured out that Jim's dad probably didn't want to be a father & regretted getting married too young that's why he left that's what you get for being immature. I like to think maybe Jim ran into his dad years later after Jim grew up & Jim was angry & bitter at his dad leaving him his dad says he wasn't ready to be a father & it was too much for him. Jim just said "Well you shouldn't have married my mother."
Personally I always felt he was drafted and he died in combat serving his sector of space bravely, but before that point he was basically an Aux guy who just banged on a type writer.
YASSSS TWO OF MY FAVORITE THEORISTS DOING A COLLAB. Jim Hawkins was my first cartoon crush btw😂😂.
He's still on my top 10 list of cartoon crushes!
This movie was already sad enough, but now that we have at least some form of canon evidence for why Jim's dad left, it's even sadder. I think the truest theory is that Leland just didn't want a family. He wasn't able to take responsibility for it and the first chance he got to leave, he took it. It sounds at face value like he's a jerk, and to be fair, he is, but some people aren't fit to be parents. And sometimes they don't realize this until after the fact.
I watched Treasure Planet when I was younger. I loved this movie so much.
Oh God,this movie's my childhood
I used to watch this film all the time when I was a kid
lol I feel so old now!
The Fangirl lol we all do
It HAS to be my favorite animated film.
Please, though. The language seems a bit excessive.
I like this theory. I will say that the phrase "his father/mother left" is a common euphamism for married people who are divorced/separated, especially around their kids. My parents were separated for most of my life, so I heard the phrase a lot.
Even so, I like this theory and will add that it's possible that Mrs. Hawkins was crying because this was a battle that she's been fighting with her husband for ages: don't leave for the navy/whatever new job that will take him away from his family for a long time, maybe forever if he gets killed. It works with Leland's personality as metnioned in that book - I know quite a few guys that joined the military because of fanciful notions of traveling, being a hero, etc and not really considering how tough the job will be and (if they're in a relationship or having a famility) not really considering the impact it could have on those they left behind. If this is the case for Leland, it really speaks to the note about immaturity.
For a film that's over 20 years old....the way the film portrays the effects of abandonment on a young person's psyche, especially on a male psyche especially if the father abandons the mother and child first without making the story revolve around it myopically is masterful storytelling.
That is true, it does really tell a good story in that subplot and weave it into how the character develops. And it makes Silver such a "humanized" (I know he's a dog/cyborg) villain - I think Silver deserves way more love than Hades.
Omg always amazing my girl! Hey can you do a theory about what happened in Atlantis the Lost Empire about how they sank? What exactly happened?! I’ve been pondering to this day. Why did it flood? How did the crystal become conscious? PLEASE DO THIS THEORY ;-; Anyways man I love all of your vids!
I feel like the first movie had some reason to it, but I don't remember... No promises, but I'll see what I can do! :)
Came straight from Issac’s videos. This is a great video - I was wondered what happened to Jim’s Dad, as the I’m Still Here scene really got me every time. 🙂⭐️✨
Thank you so much for coming over! I have lots of Disney videos so I hope you find some more theories you like! :)
I loved this movie when I was little. I had it on VHS tape and would constantly rewind it just like i did with Finding Nemo XD
This changes fundamental things I've thought about one of my most favorite movies ever. Now I have plenty of food for thought, which I appreciate.
If there was a sequel, your theories whould've have these details. Good job :)
Imma say it... Treasure Planet is better than Frozen 2 and should've gotten the same hype if not, even more recognition than the Frozen franchise. I'll never forget this great film!
Yeah but i heard disney WANTED the film to fail
I love Treasure Planet so much.. As a kid, I assumed that Jim's father died.. I know very little about the military but I know that you're able to contact your family and friends at least occasionally.. and since we don't hear anything about him contacting them, I kind of assumed he was dead.. but if he was dead, then I feel that everyone would talk about him as if he were dead..but they don't, they just say "he left".. and you guys mentioned that he was young when he became a father, so maybe while he's away, he's trying to come to terms with everything? If you have kids when you're young, you sometimes don't know who you are yet, and it can take a very long time to find out who you are.
Something I really loved about Treasure Planet, is that Jim does gain a sort of father figure, Silver. I mean..yeah..Silver does do pirate-y things and is mean or outright cruel and cold toward Jim, but he can never find it in himself to abandon Jim or hurt him.. at least, from what I can recall from the movie.. It feels like Silver helps Jim deal with his issues and gain closure on his father leaving him, and the scene where he gives Jim gold and jewels to help his mother? OMG my heart.. Oops..I'm ranting and raving about the movie..sorry
Omg hi wotso im such a big fan of him and of you and for you two going a calab it makes me so happy!!! : )
Don't miss the Tangled collab on Wotso's channel too, I just got the link in this video's description. :)
Ya I'm was gonna check it out before you told me also thanks! : )
Haha Spaceforce. This girl was way ahead of her time!!
My all time favorite movie
Part of me wonders if he didn’t turn around because it would make leaving harder. Like “if I go back, I won’t be able to leave again.” I know that doesn’t match the rest of his actions, but there are people who are gruff and abrasive because they’re convinced that they’ll only disappoint anyone who actually cares about them.
Thank you not only was this a mystery, the biggest mystery about the film was if Disney set this movie to fail.
you have the Treasure Planet art book! So jealous
Well I got to borrow it, but it was fun to go through! I haven’t had an art book give backstory like that before. :)
I always thought that Jim's dad didn't say goodbye because he thought he was coming back and then something happened to him. :c The art book makes it so much sadder/shadiers jfc
The need to make a sequel to this masterpiece of a movie already
As a kid I deadass thought that Long John Silver was Jim's dad. Am I the only one?
He was
Why? Silver's a completely different species
Will you and Isaac do another Treasure Planet video about, Silver's past and how is Jim being called 'James'?
plot twist: what if john silver was Jim's father for along time before. 🤔
In the previous montage, we saw that Jim's dad left (or gave up) his family to leave for an unknown reason. Maybe Silver is mentioning that
If Jim's dad left for the space Navy, that could make sense, as he may have been space-ship-wrecked, marooned, or may have mutinied the captain of a ship he was poseted on (Giving up old life for his own ambitions) this could explain how he lost limbs
It was so underrated. I loved that movie.
I can't help it, but when the "cylindrical duffel bag" was brought up and then barraks bags (essentially laundry bags) were shown as example I laughed pretty hard. I like the theory though. It's unpopular but it's one of my favorite Disney movies.
Wow lucky timing! I just watched this movie yesterday
Your theory is good bit I kinda have 1 too. We all know that work pressure is a major cause of many a marriage breakdown & Jim's dad being in the Military had a valid excuse for leaving but did not actually want to divorce cuz he still had some feelings left for his wife (even though he never showed them). Another factor is the condition P.T.S.D. (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder), could Jim's dad have been a long - time sufferer of this mental disorder? If so, it would explain why he couldn't bond with his son & when he left, he perhaps knew that his condition would ruin whatever family life he had if he had chosen to stay.
I always assumed he was a soldier or spacer leaving on deployment/voyage and didn't make it. Much happier scenario to lose someone who loves you than to be abandoned by someone who doesnt care about you.
I think the abandonment made it more realistic for kids who have had a parent leave them. Sometimes the happy stuff Disney puts out isn't always the case.
Oh my GOD your hair is AWESOME. Great theory btw. I love this movie and not enough people love it like i do and just bypass it like no i wanna know what happened to his father dammit
My bf has a theory that Jim's father could be silver, he told me specific details that their eyes resembles and when silver mentions about chasing the stars (like the guy said about Jim's dad "had his eyes on the stars before jim was born")maybe Jim's father did chase a star but lost his arms and legs or being mutated with no memory of his past. Thus giving Jim's father a chance to be a fatherly figure for Jim. Idk that's my bf's theory.
Wouldn’t work. Long John Silver doesn’t seem to share a species with the Hawkins family.
@Isaac Carlson OMG I forgot you Collab with the fan girl
I know I am late to the party but I think the reason for why Jim's dad didn't say bye to him was that he didn't want to maby rethink of going to either the new planet or to battle against the pirates cause what father wants to say goodbye to there son knowing that it would probably be the last time he would see him (just my head cannon)
Jim's father been abandoned this family, he left from this family and never came back to reunite once and forever of a lifetime!
Leland Hawkins obviously wanted to meet Mr. Ketchum.
I hope they're having a nice time out in the world together! 😂
OR he could already be dead but the report couldn't make it back at home due to communication errors or because no one was there when he died. Plus, he could be trying to hide how he actually feels and resisted turning around. He could secretly be crying on the inside. But let's just stick to this theory.
Jim Hawkins is my lifetime movie crush I don't even know why
I've always thought that silver was his father
Wow. WOW. WOOOOOOW!!! There's a book?? I.. NEED.. IT!
Jim=Jim Hopper
Hawkins=Stranger Things
🤔😂
Illuminati confirmed!
The Fangirl lol
U know, when I first saw the movie, i really didnt need much to just assume Jim's dad was a navy man
Can you talk about spirited away the movie it's a classic maybe you did a theory on it I'm unsure. But I love that movie. Any classic anime, pixar, stop motion. They made up my childhood and that's a very timeless thing.