INSANE 1JZ-GTE! | You've never seen anything like this before! Compound Turbo JZX100 Toyota Chaser.
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- Опубліковано 11 кві 2021
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Time for a change of pace... and it'd be fair to assume you've never seen anything like this before!
Built 1JZ from top to bottom with all the fruit. Forged rods, forged pistons, CNC ported head, billet cams, Plazmaman intake, Kinsler mechanical fuel pump... And COMPOUND Borg Warner turbos!
Yeah. Legit. All to go into a JZX100 Toyota Chaser, backed by a TH400, shooting for 1000rwhp.
This is a build review of a project taken on before the channel came to life. We'll give you a rundown of how it works, what it takes to do it properly, and why you would even want to run a compound turbocharger system in a petrol application.
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I run a compound turbo set-up on my barra when people ask why. I tell them simple. I hate lag . Compound gives you the best of both worlds . Great job
I have actually seen a compound barra floating around the interwebs, haven't managed to find a video of it running under boost yet though. Compounds are a great idea! It's just cost and packaging which are the struggles.
I agree but any idea why it's not more common?
@@jayknight139 people Don't know how to size the turbos there isn't much being done with petrol engines. You get the normal comments about, well if you just sized the one turbo properly lol. Once a few more people do it may get popular. I wasn't going for all out power I wanted the spool rate of my first turbo with the end power around that of a 4202r for a barra which seems to be 1100ish depending on the motor and support mods so as long as the air supply can flow though the front cover of the smaller turbo and the rear a.r is correct shouldn't have any issues, might get lucky with my first set up might have to tweek it after some dyno time.
@@darrelwatts6538 I'm wondering if you could go to a diesel shop that would know about compound turbos and ask them to size it for you. If they have a specs of any engine I would imagine they could size compound turbos for it if they truly understand how it works.
@@darrelwatts6538 fuck yea Im thinking about doing a compound setup on my FG f6 but got no idea what direction to go currently running a gtx3584rs could I possibly get some photos off u I wanna see how it looks
It’s going to be a beast .... great job by all involved
Very interesting build boys👌be great to see what power it makes👍
Perfect engine for it. Good response with the smaller turbo but should have a stonking top end when the bigger one comes on. It's easier to understand the boost levels by thinking about the absolute pressure instead of boost. So atmospheric pressure is 1 bar, if the bigger turbo doubles that to 2bar (so now there is 1 bar boost being fed into the smaller turbo) and the smaller turbo doubles that again, you end up with 4bar absolute manifold pressure or 3bar boost. Essentially both turbos would think they are making 1 bar or 14.7psi each but the manifold is seeing 44psi. Try doing that with a single turbo and it would end up with a really lazy boost curve but the compound turbos are hardly working to make that boost and response is essentially the same as running the S360 on its own. Plus you get to hear a turbo spooling noise twice as it comes on boost
There are a couple of compound 2jzs in the states I saw quite a few years ago where 1 guy explained it really well
Pretty good explanation there Bunky80. Everyone seems to get compounding and sequential turbo setups a bit confused.
Clod3 both think they are getting 1 bar. .
Cool to see!, Ive been running a compound set up on my rb30 for about 5 years now, works well!
That's awesome Michael!!! Any dramas you've had that will help us down the track you think? We haven't turned this up yet but hopefully soon. Some new turbos are on the cards when the next round of mods come I think.
@@TorqHub Controlling boost, I now run two 60mm gates. My set up is a bit different my second turbo is in the boot so was a bit of a challenge getting it to come on boost, we had to keep more heat in the exhaust by simply wrapping it.
Drives real well & reliable, heaps of fun 560hp at wheels.
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Yeah awesome mate! We've got 2x 45s on the small secondary turbo with a real nice take-off angle on each and a 60mm on the primary. We managed get good boost control on a low boost tune up for the stock 1jz so turning it up should be easier on the gates in theory. Haha. Running co2 boost control this time as well so there should be no shortage of control there. Your rb30 combo sounds awesome mate. Very cool and great to see something a little different.
@@TorqHub cheers, really look forward to see how you guys get on with tuning.
Awesome,boost 1500 revs before the single turbo guys for the same equivalent boost and power levels with less stress and a cooler charge I see a few people have troubles with the smaller turbo back pressure opening the waste gate so they shove more springs in,but a waste gate on the cold side to bypass excess to the small turbo straight to intercooler would work great,sheez the ramp up,definitely subbed to see this slay.
Thanks for the support Edward!!
That looks mint I like it because it’s different 🤙
Wild that's going to be, work of art that exhaust.. cheez.
too good guys... keep up the epicness
Thanks Baaziga! The car is coming in for new cooler piping in the new year so keep an eye out for updates on this beast.
I remember an old 2jz 300z that was a compound setup from a long while back.
It's definitely been done plenty times before and It seems the jz platform is a common candidate for it too. Thanks for watching!
Will be great following this build to see where you end up, Colin Wilshire has a compound turbo 4g63 4 cylinder in a Datsun drag ute that top fuel driver Kelly Bettes pilots, they are running north of 100 psi and 6 second passes consistently
That's crazy hey. There's a few insane 4cyl drag cars with compound turbo systems around now. This setup will be much more on the milder side that's for sure haha.
Your gonna make 35psi at 3500rmp guys that's the benifits of compound turbos
Certainly won't be lacking when it comes to power under the curve! Thanks for watching mate 👍🏻
Very nice fabrication👍
I'm intrigued with compounds.
It would be great to see some close up pictures of the exhaust manifold and wastegates/dump pipes etc...please👍
Keep an eye on our socials mate. I'm welding some egt sensor ports in the turbo manifold soon so if I get a good pic or a chance to do a short video we'll post it up. It's nothing too fancy though mate, just a basic manifold with a wastegate of each 3cyl collector.
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Cheers, unfortunately I'm a dinosaur with no socials
Might just go through the video and pause at the right moment😎
Send an email to torqhub@gmail.com if you want mate, I have a photo here i can reply to you with that shows the manifold and wastegates more clearly 👍
Came for the logo, stayed for the content. Found ya channel through your comment on cleets channel
Well dang. Given the sheer volume he gets, I'm surprised anyone would have even seen my comment in the sea of other comments haha.
Glad you stopped by! Thanks for watching bud.
@@TorqHub yeah I thought you'd appreciate knowing where I came from. When I saw how clean this build was I thought I'd give you a follow
I go to pick up an old ECU for a mate and it turns out the owner of this beast was the seller! What a weapon
Small world!
love it, i wanna do this to a 3rz. are you guys referring to Shannon from Tune Corp?
That would be awesome to see on a 3rz. They're great little engines. Yes Shannon from tune Corp is who we were referring to.
Thanks for the information and subsequent corrections. I would like to use a dual turbo setup (one per bank) on a 5.2L based 383 Stroker (500HP-600HP NA) in a Chevy S-10. Although ideally a dual compound setup would be outstanding if theres enough room in the engine bay. Small turbo blown into the Large turbo continuously (1000HP+). Unless I'm missing something obvious that would prevent this from working correctly.
With those cubic inches a traditional single or twin turbo setup would be awesome!! The juice really isn't worth the squeeze in most circumstances especially when you have cubes on your side!! Good luck with which enter way you go mate!
@@TorqHub Yeah you're probably right. If I was really going to turbocharge a 383LS Stroker I would only be doing it if I wanted 1500HP + not really useful on the street much. I just like low-end low rpm grunt similar to diesel engines. I don't exactly know but if I wanted to stay under 1000HP but still roughly double stock power I could probably just compound turbo a 4.8L LS. Thanks for pulling me back from an overpowered street motor.
Joel Grannas just did this with his stick shift Supra. He gained about 300hp in the mid range for his 9000rpm limit. Incredible stuff
Yeah, we did see that they had just done the compound setup on their supra. It's really cool. This one is headed for the tune shop this month hopefully.
damn you beat me to it i was going to do this to my 1jz with the borgwarner s360 as my big turbo and a garret gt3071r as a small turbo
You're thinking too small on the turbos my dude! The idea of compounding is to be able to run BIG turbos with no lag. This setup will end up with an 80mm+ big turbo
@@TorqHub i do more circuit track racing so looking to minimize my lag even with the 60mm out of the turns especially do you think a quick spool valve would better support me or should i size down the turbo back to a gt3076r maybe
@@TorqHub you say his thinking to small? Help me out here, so I have a 1hdt with a k27 Borgwraner turbo on it with a spool valve and dose the job but want to make it better for towing and off-road! If I was to get a bigger turbo and compound with the one ive got and it will help it get on boost sooner? Or will the turbo boost the same but then the bigger one takes over? Hope that makes sense
@@DCCUSTOMSANDFABRICATION you won't get boost any sooner than you do currently. But you will carry a higher boost curve through the mid range and much stronger top end
@@TorqHub that’s how I expected it to work, at low the smaller turbo acts as if the bigger turbo isn’t even there
Gd shit lads well done. When’s the 5 litre getting built Kurt and Jeff hows that 383 coming along for ur vh
Well you're certainly persistent Drew, we gotta give you that. As promised, our cars will be coming up as soon as the Falcon is finished. Very close now!
Looks tops mate. Does each turbo have individual boost control.
The idea is to run co2 boost control with the new combo but to what extent we're not 100 percent sure yet. For ultimate control you'd likely want 2 separate fill and dump solenoids for each turbo but it might not be needed and could get too complicated. We'll keep you updated with videos on what Matt and Shannon come up with as the build progresses. Cheers
Mo Powa Babeh!
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How do you control the boost? You didn’t fully explain this in the video?
Hey mate, It's done the same way as any other turbo system really. It's a little more complicated in the way that small adjustments can make large differences to final boost numbers and to tell the truth, when we built this system the main concern was being able to control the boost at somewhat moderate levels to keep the standard 1jz at the time alive. Now that the built motor is done, we can start to lean on this compound turbo kits main attribute and see what kind of power this little 2.5 litre can make. More videos on this coming soon. Thanks for dropping in mate.
It’s got a gangster cnc port
Hey, nice work first off. I have a couple questions because I’ve been looking to do this to my 2021 Hyundai Sonata 1.6T but I’m running into the thought it is it worth it and what will it cost. Right now I’m at 180 hp and 195 lb/ft of torque. My goal is to build something up to 400 or even mid 300’s. What obstacles may I run into and what do you think it would cost to run something like that in my case?
Hard to say Malik, not knowing where you are, what skills you have, or tools you have on hand.
If you're paying for drive in-drive out, in Aus, it's unlikely you'd get any change from $20k AUD.
@@TorqHub I’m a new enthusiast so I have the bare minimum of knowledge so I wouldn’t do much of the work solely relying on my skill, and I have nothing at my disposal pretty much besides some funds to invest. I live in MD at the moment and I do a lot of point a to b driving and city driving. I race occasionally so that’s why I’m not looking for ridiculous gains but I still want to make it to that 3-400 range.
Get a better car instead
Could you run dual stage intercooling
Not with the room we have to work with currently. If needed, we may look into methanol injection between the 2 stages but we will wait and see.
It's been 2 years since this video....I'll ask the question....how long did the head gasket last ? What PSI did u push thru it ? .....nice build super clean I love it
The car is a runner now but is yet to be pushed hard on the dyno. Hopefully when the time comes we can be there to document it!
@@TorqHub main question I ask about HG fail.....did you give a beefy support bracket bracing on the exhaust manifold and turbos to support the weight? .....glad to hear it's on the road....sick build bro
Turbo manifold and Turbine feed pipework are well supported. Thanks for stopping in 👍
@@TorqHub nice that's good to hear.....if it's got strong support brackets then your HG will hold up a while
Nice work guys, looks like a well engineered build, well done! A couple of questions, did you consider intercooling between the LP and HP compressors? Or as a partial intercooling trick between compressors adding some fuel to drop that charge temp a bit before it gets into the HP compressor? Interested in your feedback on that.
Would have loved to intercool between stages mate, but essentially packaging said no. The combo may call for some water meth injection there, which will all be subject to testing. The car will have a killer plazmaman front mount intercooler at the very least.
@@TorqHub Thanks for the quick reply really looking forward to following the rest of the journey. I hope that you're well rewarded for your very sound decisions on this build.
does it have any knocking issues?
No it doesn't have knock issues.
Wacky Doooo :)>>>>
I likey
I could only imagine the turbo lag
....ummm. That's why you go compound, for no lag. 🤔
@@TorqHub Exactly lol
I would like to see it on a 4 cyl engine.
Here you go Jay!
www.enginelabs.com/engine-tech/dyno-testing/video-four-cylinders-massive-boost-shane-t-2126-horsepower/
how much did it make ?
Car hasn't gone to dyno yet Theo. The Motec PDM and ECU are still being wired in, and there is an intercooler and piping change coming also.
@@TorqHub ok i see , are you planning on getting 1000hp out of it ?
Thats the aim! 1000hp peak with a FAT power band.
@@TorqHub what turbo would be running for that ?
@@theopunisher3021 will likely shoot for it with this setup initially. We would love to see Matt with a G35 and a G45-1500 on it eventually... but its not our wallet 😅
That air filter is waaaaaaaay too small.
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There is so much wrong with this
Nobody has even seen it done before because no one is stupid enough to do it. It's not needed. It Looks like shit.
Geez your channel is awsome cock. Stick to your video games.
Every big power diesel in the states has compound turbos
@@79series I love how that's the only comeback you can come up with you dopey fuckwit. Jog on hero.
The entire reason I popped into this comment section was for a carefully considered and based opinion like yours Slap
"Haters dont hate you, they hate themselves because you're a reflection of what they wish to be"
Its a damn shame you think these blokes are stupid, if you ask me.
@@slappi2997 that comeback is definitely 10/10 your doing well in life. Now you can put your little boy headset back on and play your children video games.