Iggy Pop hates "punk rock" (1977)
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- Опубліковано 20 кві 2017
- In this 1977 CBC interview with host Peter Gzowski, Iggy Pop explains why he hates the term "punk rock" and clears up the story behind the time he vomited on stage.
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Of course he hated punk rock. That was the most punk thing to say at the time.
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32?? What's up with that
Gshshsh
What if you were so punk that you hated it, loved it, and then hated it again all in one personality lol
Iggy looking like my crazy aunt in the thumbnail.
Hello Master Bateman
@Patrick Bateman Don't you have some video tapes to return?
With a fresh Karen haircut
Patrick Bateman Hahah
Iggy looks like an unofficial member of The Human Leauge
He hates the label, Punk was a label that the press gave to that form of rock. He doesn't hate the music.
But whats wrong about the label?
@@mattis1389 The label was meant as an insult as being called a punk isnt a good thing especially if you are in prison.
I think hating labels just for the sake of it. Is just as unpractical as ataching yourself to them desperately.
Labels are useful. Just like words they try to describe something give what people feel, a movement or a certain sound and type of music a name. It seperates (people) and defines but simultaneously also connects and makes it easier for people to bond and find groups of likeminded people they connect well with.
Mattis Stürner Well, now we're just so used to "punk" being the term for it, not with any inherent connotations (negative or positive)... But I'd imagine that when it was first called "punk" it was like calling a person a punk... like... it was not a flattering term, it was an insult. I don't know if this is true but it would certainly explain Iggy's reaction
@@mattis1389 they tried to put it down while supporting acts like Kenny Loggins as rock
Who was the host? I feel like that guy was pretty down and open, and not particularly shockable or judgmental by nature.
It's Peter Gzowski! He's done many fascinating and fun interviews.
agree! And he pried a genuine smile out of his interviewee a couple times.
He's Canadian, enough said.
I love Iggy's music and influence on counterculture, but he was being a showboating, too-cool-for-school asshole in this interview (anyone who pejoratively drops the term "dilettante" in conversation is probably one themselves). The host was disarmingly funny, I think I'm going to check out some of his other interviews. Thanks for posting!
Josh Weinberg I’d normally agree, in regards to the ‘dilettante’ thing, but not when it’s Iggy talking about a genre he had such a huge hand in creating and sustaining.
Iggy is always very friendly and accommodating but unapologetically himself in his interviews even with people who totally don't get him. I really love that about him.
doesnt seem very friendly here =)
eh he looked really ready to punch the host
Read some accounts. As much as I will always adore the music, Iggy is not a saint. Certain wasn't back in the day.
@@seth5143 Well aware of it. 😊
@@seth5143I’m pretty sure no one here is accusing Iggy of sainthood. Iggy’s drug-fueled escapades and mistreatment of people has been very well documented over the years, but I can honestly say that after having met and hung out with him, he’s an extremely friendly and intelligent guy. Then again when I met him he had been clean and sober for a few years. I’m sure it was a very different story when he was using. Supposedly he was clean around the time of this interview. He famously moved to Berlin with Bowie and kicked the dope. Considering Berlin was the heroin capital of the world at that time, it was pretty ironic… but for a few years there Iggy was done with all that stuff.
Anyway, point being that when he’s not using or drinking, he’s naturally a very pleasant person. I have a very strong feeling that in this particular situation, the host was probably goading and antagonizing him. This clip begins mid-interview. Who knows what was going on beforehand or when the cameras weren’t going?
“Ok, where do you like to hear it come out of?”
A perfect comeback line delivered instantly. Some guys were just born to broadcast, man.
Later does a song and sings "I'm a punk rocker, yes I am."
lol
IS… Thankfully Iggy is still with us.
13/F/K he's a punk that's a rocker....there have ALWAYS been young punks that played loud music, always will be...God willing
Probably meant to be a parady
Is your name a parody? Or...
You don't have to call me sir. (Iggy): No I don't have to, I forgot your name. Lol.
Ya.. sounded scripted, but it was funny
yeh i know. i listened to it.
I know, I cracked up at that point, hilarious! 🤣
what are you a f****** parrot
@@TheGravygun People often quote from the vid on these things, to indicate a favoured moment and relive it with others. It's done so often I can't believe you're taking issue.
I think you know where to shove your "parrot"- lol
i am so punk i hate punk™
He speaks the truth, thats what punk was all about.
"i am so punk i hate punk™" No, that's not the context. "Punk" meant roughly speaking "loser" and was used by some music critics to describe some rock and roll condescendingly. "Punk" was first used to describe Iggy in 1970. It wasn't his idea. He thought he was being insulted because he's smart.
Joseph Scott punk rock was an still is a tool against the 'punk rock followers' as Iggy Pop explains here, of course he didnt desing the movement, he is Just a puppet for rock and roll. What he sayes here is the truth, someone explained to him before. Punk rock was a trap, and thousands to say the least gave everything they got to it, they are death now
"someone explained to him before" Iggy didn't need anything explained to him.
How did you type the ™ at the end? Asking for a friend
Iggy lookd like Emo version of Al pacino
😂😂😂
Haha!
Heheh
Actually thought it was pacino at first, and thought to myself "wow he looks different here", then i read the title hahaha
Scar Face 🤣
His so well spoken, people probably thought he couldn’t articulate himself... they should make a biopic of him
theres a stooges biopic wich contains a lot of iggy's background, its called gimme danger
@@pedrocoelho2135
and by Jarmusch standards it's not that good 👎
@@sexobscura go watch it and take your conclusions pal, i would like to know :)
@@pedrocoelho2135
I have, which is why my comment is legitimate 👍
Jake Gyllenhaal Should Play Him
"I'm not acting". That sums it up. He's the real thing.Legend.
IP: "I don't like to hear it come out of somebody's mouth"
PG: "Okay, where do you like to hear it come out of"
Even Iggy liked that.
Canadian interviewers are the best.
That response was even more punk then Iggy himself 🤣
Idk if he liked it so much as respected it for being witty.
Johan Nieuwenburg LOL that was my thought too. Perfect punk answer.
Johan Nieuwenburg *than
"What is a poet? An unhappy person who conceals profound anguish in his heart but whose lips are so formed that as sighs and cries pass over them they sound like beautiful music." -Soren Kierkegaard
Someone who plays with words without music
@@satanicpoet5093 Poetry and music are inseparable
@@KitCalder actually poetry already contains music so no need from any more on the side
@@konpoy You misunderstand me
@@KitCalder very possibly... also most likely because you had a hard time expressing your thought. i dont prey on other peoples' minds to figure out what i mean. i state what i mean abrasively enough to be understood.
Johnny Rotten hated being called a "punk", too. Very few who got tagged with the label embraced it. I think the Ramones were one of the only ones who wore it like a badge of honour.
Iggy and Johnny both understood the history of the word "punk," that it was an insulting word and it was applied to the music by elitist music critics. Iggy and Johnny have both ever called themselves "punk" over the years anyway.
Johnny Rotten is so moody though. He hates it one day, embraces it the next.
Jasper Blench The Ramones didn’t want to be called punk either early on. World’s greatest band ever!!
@Seb Web10 who the hell are you talking to?
John and the Pistols were part of the punk fashion movement which was all hype from Maclaren and co. Stooges were real.
The interviewer and Iggy were gold together.
how this guy survived to the age of 73... iggy is a medical phenomenon.
like Keith Richards
There's probably so many drugs in him that he's effectively embalmed.
He’s a hero
@@kingbopit9318 he is Highlander
He's still here.... Its 2023 now.
He's such a pretty girl
And a beautiful man too.
And a beautiful man too.
its disturbing that people these days really think men with long hair look like women
Reminds me of Brittany Murphy a bit
Le Polygone bugged out eyes
< Iggy's smile after "where do you want to hear it come out of"
The intro to one of my Fav albums Mogwai
punk rock:
and the other bit of the interview serves as lyrics for The Subs' "vomit in style"
Thank you, I was trying to remember where I first heard this.
Iggy is talking about the _term_ punk rock and not the music. Moreover, his take on the term in 1977 came before it was embraced by "punk rockers" themselves, which is not unusual when an epithet is applied to a person or group in an attempt to demean them. Punkers took the power out of the word by taking it back.
So Iggy wasn't against Punk at all; he was against the people who were against the music.
No, I think you missed the point.
"Punk" was the rich record industries' "next big money making thing" at the time, a label coined to exploit the kids involved, that was his reason for not liking the term Punk.
As you say though, the kids took it back.
He was just trying to out-Rotten Johnny
@@sexobscura No he wasn't.
@@maxsmart9116 : )))
Is that why he said it was the worst thing about Rock 'n Roll? I think it's evident he was referring to the music. You are not going to say nice things about Punk Rock. That would defy the mindset of Punk.
Truly one of the greatest performers you would have ever witnessed!
When you went to an Iggy concert you got way more than a musical performance!
The man put on a show and not to be outdone by anybody else,
(whatever band opened for him),
He wouldn't allow it! He would rise to the occasion!
I saw him five times between 79 and 96 and every show was unforgettable.
Dude is amazing!
I saw The Stooges in Boston in 1969, opened for Ten Years after.
i just saw him last weekend 2022 and i was amazed by what he still is capable to do with a crowd ,. im 19 years old btw
@@G8GT364CI : were they promoting their debut album???
@@jaywalker5632 they must have been but I don't remember them mentioning it, they opened for Ten Years After at a place called The Boston Tea Party. Both bands sounded great. The only song I remember is I Wanna Be Your Dog which I think they closed with, you don't forget that one and that makes me think they probably had already recorded it. I was sixteen and had never heard of either band.
In his autobiography, Alice Cooper said that everyone getting started in the Detroit music circle loved playing with him, but *hated* when he opened.
Apparently he got the crowd so amped he got so wild on stage that the show was basically over because none of the performers could top him and the crowd wasn't paying any attention *IF* you did.
I wouldn't know personally. That was a few years before my time.
Wish I could've seen those shows, they sound wild.
I heard this for the first time in Mogwai's song aptly titled 'Punk Rock'
It's weird hearing it without the jangly guitar riffs.
CODY
such a good album
@@markogarcia2518 what
@@markogarcia2518 trolls don't like being called trolls
"You don't have to call me 'Sir'."
"No, I don't have to. I forgot your name." 🤣🤣🤣
I feel that 😂
"what do you like it to come out of?" HILARIOUS
Had to get a zinger in somewhere.
I’m surprised Ziggy didnt laugh at that
@@carstarsarstenstesenn His smirk spoke volumes, though...
A lot of ppl were running away from the "Punk Rock" label in 77-78, it wasn't as "Revolutionary" seeming as it seemed in 74-76 when it all started it really became a fashion statement more than anything, like "Grunge" by '94 no "Grunge" band wanted to be associated with the label.
He looked like a hybrid of David Bowie and Bill Wyman.
I thought Jared Leto and Herman Munster lol
Yes
NO
The greatest rock stars of all time
Look at Scott Glen.
“Do you understand what I’m saying sir”😂😂😂
Interviewer: "You don't have to call me Sir".
Iggy: Yeah, I know I don't have to but I forgot your name."
Classic!👍
Currency Lad scripted
Gzowski: "Yeah? what do you like to hear it come out of?"... classic
So good haha. Left even Iggy speechless.
"what do you like to hear it come out of?!" lmao he got Iggy there...notice the approving smirk
Jesus, I don't even like this genre of music, but you can feel the passion oozing from him. I think he laid out his life through his music and most music nowadays of his genre are just carbon copies of his style. Way ahead of his time.
Theres only so much you can do with such a simplistic style. Go any direction from original punk and youll end up in another genre real fast. Its basically surf music anyway.
"You don't have to call me sir."
"No, I don't have to...I forgot your name!"
I love Iggy, he makes me smile
For people outside of Canada, the interviewer is Peter Gzowski. He is concidered a legend of broadcasting in this country.
From an angle he looks a lot like Robert Downey, Jr.
and also Anthony Kiedis kinda looks like him.
true
He also looks like the mom from Malcolm in the Middle
Ploit twist,that's he's bro
I thought he looked like iggy pop only
The point he is making here is how the term "punk rock" brought to the mainstream media is being used, he is making a point that "old folks" and "mainstream media", mostly represented by the conservative section of society, are overusing it or using the term "punk" to disqualify, satirize and satanize the movement.
I'd go out on a limb to say that this was right in between the release of the Idiot and Lust for Life. Hell of a year for Iggy (and subsequently Bowie). If that had been the case then Iggy would be clean in this interview. Very insightful words and unique view of Punk Rock.
Most likely unique because he was one of the main architects of the music and scene that came to be known as “punk” (which explains why he absolutely hated the term back in ‘77). Imagine creating something that you poured your heart and soul into, and then some journalist comes along and slaps a label on it that at the time carried nothing but negative connotations… and the media and the music industry just run with it. No wonder Iggy’s so adamantly against it (the term/label, not the music itself).
Anyway, I know your comment is over 6 years old, but it’s one of the more interesting comments here so I felt compelled to respond.
Great host. Cool conversation
This is great. Always intrigued by Iggy. Always entertaining, always intelligent answers. Love his hair! Thanks for uploading!
Thanks for watching!
Such a pup here. :)
Iggy is amazing, but I also think the host was his equal in wit, matching him word for word, and not getting..."punk'd".
From the look on Iggy's face, I think it surprised him. I thought the same, funkmike.
I love Iggy's attitude and how he mocks the stiff establishment that only invite names to their shows to raise their own popularity and Iggy calls them out on every bit of their abusiveness of impressionable people.
title of the video is so clickbaity
bbarrera86 how do you feel,fishy?
ye
Mind if I put that in a movie?
That's why quotation marks.
bbarrera86 no, it isn't.
I loved his answer about the vomiting. Classic response from an artist.
Iggy is a genius, on the essential level.
He's hilarious! Iggy Pop is not just one of the greatest rock artists in the world, he's also one of the funniest.
You can tell they got a kick out of each other.
Iggy looks like Stewart from MAD TV 😂 ! ! !
willy jones lol!!! You’re right..”let me do it..@😂
Look what I can do!
😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 agreed
I couldn’t put my finger on it and you nailed it! Look what I can do!!!!
@@laurasingleton301 😅 I know 😂
Thank you, Mr. Osterberg, for all you've given this world.
Great to watch Iggy outclass this nameless Canadian square.
It will be a very,very sad day for the universe and music when we lose him
Because we already lost Bowie
JessicaMarkwell Galaxywitch13 not really.
Wow, something good from the CBC, only had to go back forty years.
I love that echo chamber sound on the clapping, i want an effect pedal that does it.
Iggy knows "punk" is just a marketing term to sell product...good rock n roll is GOOD ROCK N ROLL...labels, musical or political, only limit one's sphere of influence, and keep their mind narrow
Yeah man, it's all just marketing. I mean it's not like the entire purpose of language and words is to make it possible to express thoughts by attributing different sounds to different things and ideas. That's just unthinkable.
"blue and green are just marketing terms to sell products... A COLOUR IS JUST A COLOUR, labels keep your mind narrow"
"pizza and sushi are just marketing terms to sell products... good food is GOOD FOOD, labels keep your mind narrow"
Why stop at rock n roll anyway? How is that not a marketing term? good music is GOOD MUSIC...labels, musical or political, only limit one's sphere of influence, and keep their mind narrow
i mean the last thing you said didnt sound untrue
Just me You're missing the point. How does blue and green being colors, relate to the idea of Punk rock considering itself more elite than other forms of rock and roll. Are you that dense?
Yep. Iggy doesn't say anything about marketing here. Could he have foreseen the swindle? Possible. Do we find evidence for that in this video? Nope.
Punk was literally assembled by a boutique owner and a businessman from England named Malcolm McLaren. He dressed local faces he could market extravagantly and unbeknownst to him at the time John Lyndon later went on to achieve greatness with PiL. All of this is talked about by him personally in Sex Pistols documentary "The Filth and the Fury". So much for authenticity and punk being anti-establishment.
the stooges are garage rock like most 60s/early 70s "proto punk" bands. Garage rock was punk music until the ramones came along and music media labeling them and bands alike "punk" turning it into somewhat a separate genre. Similar thing happened with the grunge movement. Nirvana seen themselves as a punk band till good ol mtv came along with the "grunge" label.
Yeah, I totally agree
Be that as it may, Punk revived Iggie's career. When he came to San Francisco in the late seventies, I went to or three of his gigs. Without Punk, I would never have heard of him. And I was not alone. But saying that you hate the term "Punk Rock" is totally Punk Rock. The label was first applied to the Ramones, and at first, the movement was noted for it's diversity. The bands did not dress alike, did not look alike, and did not sound alike. But later on, a uniformity of styles and sounds developed, and that was the beginning of the end, as far as it being a movement that pushed the edges.
It was the Pistols
wayne: The Pistols was the Sex Pistols spin-off group, without Sid vicious or Johny Rotten. It was short lived and has been deservedly mostly forgotten.
Very true. You see all these kids on the street who call themselves "punk" and obviously they look like old punk rockers but they ain't because they don't get punk. They'd call my brother a square based on his looks but he's more punk than any of them.
You can tell Iggy was holding back because that interveiwer had such a cute warm friendly face. 😆
For awhile in the 70's
Punk bands didn't like the term
But later on seemed to embrace it
Clash Ramones others
The Damned still do, I mean they were there at the beginning, and are one of the few bands to have survived.
seems to be the case with pretty much every term coined by music journalists ever
Well Hell, EVERY style of music, or of anything, needs a TERM or LABEL to identify it. Even "rock 'n roll" is, it's self, a term and a label too!
i know. okay, maybe not every label ever is originally hated by those who pioneered it, but there seems to be a lot of that, especially in the last forty or so years - starting with punk, actually. shoegaze, grunge, math rock, or even broader terms like alternative or indie seem to be hated by those who are considerated the creators of that.
Very true about music journalists defining genres and then musicians hating the coinage. Don't even get started on 'post-rock' or 'djent', for example! I think many embrace it in the end because it's marketable to have an umbrella under which people can discover their music, but I can understand how frustrating that might be for bands.
Melhor definição de punk rock como rótulo na indústria musical
That smirk at 2:05 was great.
These two should be friends. They're both pretty quick witted. They both made me smile.
he's honest, any honest, pure punk-rocker hates himself
He was being honest and revolutionizing rock and roll. If you want punk, he really was the first. Before it was an instrumental thing to do. Rock and Roll was the first to dive in vocals that were not trained singers which stemmed from blues/country/folk vocalists. The first genre punk song was "Rumble" which came out in 1958 about gangs I believe, hence punk. However, a mixture of The Doors, Velvet Underground, and blue-collar Detroit came The Stooges. To me was the feeling that punk had an originator with Iggy Pop. He was going against the grains while growing up middle class but living in a trailer (folks were very frugal) he became a musician with outcasts at/from school. The Beatles had their punk era stemming from wearing all black leather outfits, damaged instruments and performing in Germany of all places to fitting/ matching suits, new equipment and bringing in Ringo Starr to create a suitable image to sell and produce quality music. Creatively in the their minds they were punk (doing their own music and seeing where things can lead in directions no muscians have taken) but had the money, production quality and fame to lead their way into experimentation. However, The Stooges had no money or thinking ahead towards the future as a career until Electra Records (The Doors' label) saw them perform in New York. He/they gave a future of what is to come. Supposedly it killed hippy music (along with Charles Manson murders, the disastrous free Rolling Stones concert with The Hells Angels as security and a new wave of film making) gave them an opportunity to record their music. And now for something completely different...
the beach boys started out with a sort of punkish sound.
I could listen to him,and Henry Rollin's for hours.Smart and articulate.
Actually the phrase punk rock came from legs McNeil from New Haven Connecticut who put together a fanzine it was called punk magazine he interviewed people performing at cbgb's and it just stayed that's where the word punk rock came from a guy from Connecticut just like me now you can Google answer your question
Ah. Beautiful beast. Such courage. Ordeal by fire. Life lesson: Focus and resilience are indispensable to success and can be learned if you care enough about your work. Find work that you care about. (It does not have to be "important" work.) Once you've found that work, hang on, hang on, hang on. Thanks Iggs.
1:04 "Where do you like to hear it come out of?" LOL
What an interesting human being. Such a character:)
Grew up listening to everything he did ...Thanks IGGY ...Its been a trip
He knew a little about what was going on. The presenter had no idea what he was talking about but this was ahead of it's time in understanding.
Iggy was a punk about 7 years before anyone used the term...
Barrie Hellon-Warwick As were the Sonics before Iggy
Bornaking 🙄
This charming man! 💕💜
1:05 great broadcasting on the hosts part! Iggy couldn’t help but smile.
Specifically at 1:05, the little wry smile Iggy gives the interview is priceless.
Saw the Stooges with the MC5 at The Warehouse in New Orleans in 71(?)
Way ahead of his time.
Not really, but it's something people say.
This kind of performance is spot on 60/70's mentality, man
no..
Nah, he was a representation of that time, not ahead of it.
everyone else was just behind the time haha
THIS is the Iggy Bowie was in love with! 🤗 ❤
He's my favorite mad tv character "dooooooont!" That stuey, he's so funny
Hilarious, especially the end 😆
He looks like a crazy cat lady aunt who lives in an over 55 mobile home park lol.
"It's all about rock and roll." The current generation of rockers (and future ones) should watch this video, and above all understand that phrase ..
I saw this and I used to watch this show. Another host was Paul Soles but I don't recall if he came before or after Gzowski. Soles provided the voice of Peter Parker/Spider-Man on the original cartoon of the same name.
Props to the interviewer for hanging in there throughout this 🤣
Love him so much!
Iggy's smile lights up a room.
Did the CBC (like Iggy 1:58) also forget that the interviewer's name was Peter Gzowski? :-p
No. Why?
There's no acknowledgement of Peter Gzowski anywhere (either in the video or in the description) when this is arguably one of HIS most famous interviews! Give credit where credit is due!
To the internet, peter gzowski is probably no longer relevant. Just put the celebrity name on there, and let it roll.
Embrace the feeling. 77 Punk Rocker til I die!
where do you like to hear it come out of lol this host was calm and cool even made iggy crack a smile
Gzowski was a great fit for this interview!
Mogwai.. Such memories
loved Gzowski back in the day.And Iggy too.
Iggy's side eye glance from the Thumbnail image is exactly how this bottle of rum is looking at me now
David Bowie said that one of his most important influences was Iggy Pop and that's why Iggy toured with Bowie.
Interesting fact!
You'll notice a point in Bowie's career when he began singing with a lower tone,Bowie was smitten with Iggy at a time way back when Bowie wanted to be Iggy.
The term punk rock to me has some irony.
I think that was kind of the idea
He told the truth about punk, no irony, thats on the people who cant realice it.
Well Hell, EVERY style of music, or of anything, needs a TERM or LABEL to identify it. Even "rock 'n roll" is, it's self, a term and a label too!
Today it has some irony to it, perhaps to a sad degree considering what passes for 'punk rock', but back then (in photo-punk era), it wasn't a term lovingly embraced by the bands. Sex Pistols had a similar disdain for the label, I recall hearing another major punk band say it but I'm blanking on their name. Maybe it was Ramones, but i'm not certain.
How is it ironic? They are punks.
Loved this first time I’ve seen this artist he’s great
Samples in mogwai’s album Come On Die Young
Je t'adore Iggy. Mistress Bex (who can't spell French words but you get the idea) xxxxx
Parlez non Francais sil vous plait.
You guys clearly didn’t get his point. He isn’t punk... he is just himself. He doesn’t want to be put in a box!
Isn't he just argumentative? I don't think he feels that strongly about anything he's saying. Just being adversarial. That's so Punk.
Well he sure had no problem putting himself in a box starring in his series called "Punk".
@@furqueue9590 just so stupidly punk.
Nah. He wants to be put in a box so he can smash the box.
Such kind eyes.
Bright and attentive, respect!
That was during the heavy drug years.....he was bombed out of his mind
No, not during this time. His worse year was 75. This is 77. He had a relapse a couple years later but not to the same degree as the early 70s.
how does he look 20 and 70 at the same time
David Bowie and Iggy were supposed to perform during this appearance but as David was not part of the musicians union it was not allowed. They did however do a rehearsal that day which only the studio crew got to see.
I didn’t realize at first that this was Peter Gzowski! (Famous Canadian radio host. RIP)
He looked quite different when he was grey and older.