I jus recently got a tankless hot water heater and i consider it an absolute luxury over a traditional water heater. There is no difference, i jus don’t worry about 60 gallons of water chillin in the corner of my basement.
There’s a whole list of differences but as a master plumber for him to say as a plumber we don’t understand inlet water temp affects outlet water temp and flow rate is ridiculous we’re not alcoholic bubbas anymore. 1. Maintenance: tank style ahhh really never tankless annually 2. Parts: tank style local hardware store carries everything you need tankless if it’s not a well respected brand or if it’s a unusual part you could be without hot water for a week or more 3. Replacement: tank style have been the same inlet outlet and vent set up for decades tankless will change and your existing vent may not be approved for the new regs and have to be changed out Tank style water heater is like an old ford anyone can fix it and you can get parts anywhere Tankless is like a Mercedes maintenance is expensive and not many people can actually work on them. Most plumbers are going to tell you to replace it
@@MywifesaidicouldYou've just sold me on replacing my tankless with the old fashioned kind. The home inspector told me the thing didn't need maintenance, then I found out when the thing stopped working because of scale buildup. I've done annual maintenance since then, but started it too late. Now things aren't looking good for the unit.
The ROI based on energy savings for a tankless is like 15yrs. By then the tankless will need to be replaced. The ONLY reason to go with tankless is for unlimited, on demand hot water, NOTenergy savings.
What is the recommended maintenance on a condensing tankless heater? It’s a lot. You needs to descale 1-2 times a year. You needs to pull the fan and clean it. You need to clean the thermistors, you needs to clean the igniter and flame sensor, you need to blow out the heat exchanger, probably something else I’m forgetting. I just don’t like selling customers tankless heaters without telling them the maintenance requirements. I charge about $500 to do a full maintenance and that’s a lot. Most customers don’t want a tankless if they know what they’re really getting into.
😂 I guess when you're stoned, you forget about all the money going down the drain. We love our tankless, and we are in Canada. Our supply water varies in temperature a lot, but there is never an issue. We also have very clean, soft water where we are. I did a back flush on it after a couple of years of use, and nothing came out. No colour change in the flush solution at all. I will keep doing it, but maybe every 5 years or so. It is a stainless unit, versus copper, so maybe that makes a difference in the amount of scale?
Awww, that was a really thoughtful comment, you should show it to your poor little water heater, then maybe it’ll realize how much you appreciate all the hard work he’s been doing and it won’t feel so “thankless” heating the water for your next 4 hour shower.
Hello Roger I am and Plumber/Gas Fitter in Canada. I love tankless water heater I have one in my house. It is great. They are getting more and more cost effective. I have been switch restaurant from a big AO smith cyclone to one or more tanklesses. It makes a replacement in the future cheaper faster and easier and faster to source.
I live in Alaska and the last house I rented had a tankless. I bought my current place and it has a traditional tank but when it's time to replace that you better believe I'm going tankless. If it works here, it'll work anywhere.
Without a recirculation pump in combi units for domestic it takes 60 seconds or more to get hot water to your furthest fixture. Also you should have a water softener and a whole house filter prior. Maintenance do not. forget to clean the unit once or twice a year by using the cleaning port valves to descale it.
We just replaced our old viessman tankless with a brand new IBC tankless water heater, were in Canada. 8500 dollars later its all installed but man that is pricey for a water heater. I grew up on a tank water heater and for me i find they don't even compare. I feel way more at ease with a tank water heater. These tankless water heaters feel like there are so many things that could go wrong. Plus to install a new tank water heater is like 1200 bucks not 8500. Takes forever to get hot water in the morning when the pipes and water in the pipes are cold with the tankless aswell. The savings are nice. But for a traditional tank water heater is the way to go by far hands down, for me.
As a plumber, I install a regular water heater and don't hear about anything for the life of the warranty, install a tankless, something always goes wrong
Most important thing to consider is that when you lose power, forget about shower. You need electricity to operate tankless water heater regardless of whether it runs on natural gas or propane.
I'm a plumber I install many hundreds of tankless water heater in Chicago Illinois area we have very cold weather here and after years no problems so far
Last year 2 of my customers had me rip out their tankless because of operating characteristics and limitations vs a tank water heater. This is why I only install them for those who research pros and cons first. Cold inlet water is just one con...of many.
I live in Canada and we have a tankless Navien and there are no limitations. It will heat any inlet temperature we get right up to 130°F. I do have the largest one. I think the problem is people in cold climates getting under sized units.
I hate how you get a slug of cold water every single time you turn off and back on the hot water. You need to wait for the burners to kick back on once it senses flow again. Also most dishwashers don't use enough water at one time for it to get hot, so your dishwasher sprays water 50 times and that means the fan, and igniter kick on 50 times and you're still washing with cold water
@Andrew Hammes not sure about all on demand units, but mine has a buffer tank built in, so that won't happen. If you really want to go nuts, you can install a recirc pump and/or a larger external buffer tank. With mine, there is no perceptible difference versus a traditional tank.
If too many people are drawing at once you will be adjusting your temp setting in the shower. Do that 3 or 4 times in one shower and it gets old. I went back to a tank.
We call it a " combi boiler" here in the uk we use concentric flue for it. I fit a couple ever week it's the most common type of water heater in the uk.
Vent no but vent and gas line or increased electrical service for your home or business absolutely. If you don’t have a tankless depending on length of gas line and gas pressure provided you could be looking at 2400 for a good tankless and 4-8,000 for gas and venting
Combi with a extended recirc loop or small storage vessel combats that issue in Canada aswell as allows for the pressure increase after the combi system to allow for a large bath to filled faster and hotter
He should have expanded on the answer to pvc venting. You have to buy a condensing model for that, which is even more efficient than standard tankless.
We use concentric exhaust system for tankless water heaters. Makes it a single hole coming through the side of the house instead of two, it breathes in and our air through the same fitting.
They work well in warm climates but in Colorado where I am they are absolutely a waste of money because where I am the groundwater that comes in is pretty much 40ﾟ so it is not money friendly at all and it makes the tankless water heater overwork
You just need a higher BTU model to get the temperature you want from cold water. I am in Canada and have no issues. I can't comment on the cost vs. a gas-fired tank when constantly heating cold water, but ours is sure cheaper than the electric tank we used to have.
I'm in North Florida and I've been putting in tankless hot water heaters and I find that they work great here I can't answer for other areas but I like exterior for the best
As a Canadian who deals with tankless water heater questions I didn’t realize there’s curves for inlet temp so thanks! Our temps near the border are round 42 in winter so you were on the money. But further north though, it’ll drop to 33 (I neither sell nor install these)
Agreed. My units manual said PVC but local code required CPVC. Crazy overpriced. I guess if there is a fire in the pipe, it will save the day. When you go outside and feel the exhaust it is luke-warm.
Must depend where you live. I am in the Pacific North West with clean, soft water. I do zero maintenance. I backed flushed it after 5 years, and NOTHING came out. I will keep doing it every once in a while, and it will just cost me a jug of vinegar. The benefits of having it far outweigh everything else. We love ours. It's a Navien, the biggest residential one they make. I was skeptical at first and was going to change my electric tank to gas to save on electricity. My brother-in-law, who is a plumber, convinced me to go tankless. We installed it in a day and it is the best thing we did to our home.
I have in floor water heating. We use a tankless water heater. Right now it is super cold here. So that means my intake water in very cold. Doesn't take very long to get hot water though. I have hot water by the time I rinse the soap off my hands. So doesn't take very long.
It's all about space, and what your comfortable with. If I had a first or second floor tank, I may think about changing to tankless. If I have a basement tank, it's going to continue to be a tank probably forever.
I'm just south of the Canadian lime and the best water you can get is the 40 degree well water. The well is over 300ft deep and some of the cleanest you can find
I install a lot of Navians up here in Seattle. Typically the 240a or 240s. Never seen a unit that couldn't keep up with homeowners demands. 5-7k for unit and install.
Or you get an electric tankless like me, which works just fine in northern USA. Cost me 200 bucks for the unit, had to run a line to it for about 100, and my electric bill went from $180 per month down to $70-80, and I don’t need to vent anything.
20+ years here. The only thing I would say is put a high heat sediment filter downstream from the heater to catch scale so your cartridges don't get destroyed. Cheep and easy. Yes proper servicing of the heater will eliminate this. Let's be honest though, we tell the homeowner to service every 6 months for scale but they will end up not giving a tinkers damn. Just add the filter. It'll add 20 minutes to the job and a couple hundy to the pocket. everyone is happy.
Ok, no venting is not expensive per se. But how hard is it to run this venting either out the side or out the roof? Especially doing old construction work, meaning the house is done, finished and everything. Will you have to drill holes, remove Sheetrock, and a roof penetration? That can add up fairly quickly. Not to mention too that you’d want as little 90 elbows as possible because that is considered a “restriction” or “resistance”. Common mistake on installs is the plumber not paying attention to the length of the pipe and adjusting the dip switch for “long vent” or “short vent” accordingly and after time the tankless will throw out an error code indicating a “clogged vent”.
In addition, tankless models often require upsizing the gas piping (or wiring for electric models) to meet the greater demand of the tankless. Failure to do that on gas models starves the unit for fuel and causes improper operation.
I'm an hour south of our northern friends and I installed 40 to 50 tankless units a year absolutely love them and probably 80 or more combi water heater boiler systems most are 2in pvc or cpvc due to cpvc sch80 taking higher vent temperature ground water temperature spend more time in the low 40s and high 30s
We went tankless about a decade ago in my house and have never looked back. It might take a minute or two to get going in the coldest of winter weather, but once it's hot it stays hot forever.
My "tankless" here in Australia uses reticulated natural gas and it is an absolute beast. I rang the manufacturer and asked if it needed to be serviced (after I''ve lived 15 years in the property, the unit is at least 25). He was like "is the water hot?" I said yes so he said "Nuh." They don't break... but I know the LNG's days are numbered and those mains are going to be shut down for environment reasons within I reckon 20 years max... so how does everyone like their electric tankless?
The temp of the water in, is far less important than the dissolved mineral content in the water. The fins that the water flows through are very tiny compared to traditional tank water heaters, meaning water that works fine in a regular water heater will destroy a tankless in a matter of months. No matter the water source, install a prefiltering system. I have city water, and my dissolved mineral content is far worse than anything we had when we lived out in the country with a well.
unlimited got water at an exact temperature. there are serious pros to this without doubt. i helped install many of these and they are insanely simple. only draw back is that you always wait a bit for the water to come hot..but like10-15 seconds sometimes
Are tankless water heaters more expensive to run. Maybe if you got a geothermal heating system you can do it, or you are connected to a district heating system. But if you got non of these systems in place, and are only using a tankless water heater with electricity from your wall, isn't that expensive? I'm asking as a non plumber, and are very interested in all kind of technology and solutions. Kind regards.
Tankless water heaters save quite a bit of power. Whether or not you have a tank, it takes the same amount of energy to heat the water up, but a tankless unit will only heat the water up while you're using the hot water, but a old fashioned one with a big tank of water will heat that tank and if you don't use it, it will have to heat that tank again and again It doesn't matter if you go out and spend $10,000 on a super well insulated heat pump hot water tank If it's sitting there having the heat the water up over and over it will always use more energy. Not to mention even if you don't use all of the hot water in the tank, the cold water pouring in still has to be heated as you use hot water. If you're in Europe and Asia and have a 400 volt system as an option, electric is the way to go but in the US It's rare to see anything over 240 volt. I had a natural gas one installed at my house about 8 years ago and there's absolutely no way I would ever go back to the antique type that runs out of hot water and uses at least 30% more energy
@@ZoomZoom870atGmail OKEY 400V systems I suppose, can candle to heat up all the water you need. I didn't know that a tankless was less expensive to run. Is this true even if you use a lot of water. For example many in the family?
Keep showing me this over and over a rinnai has a internal heater to keep it from freezing so long as you don't buy a Amazon special get A Rinnai it will work 😊
That's correct. And if you call a plumber about a brand/model specific part for your fancy tankless, it may take a week or more to get it and require installation by someone charging over $100 per hour.
Can anyone recommend me a small tankless electric water heater around 6-10 gallons for a small own bedroom studio. I need it to heat up the water as it runs through not the water heaters that take a while to warm up water
I preffer tank water heater, with tankless we cant make hot water circulation and we must wait for hot water. In small flat this is Not problem but in large house - this is waste time and water.
Navien NPE 240 A2 has a built in 3 gal buffer tank and recirc pump built in. Recirc pump is built right in way more cost effective external recirc pumps are expensive
I jus recently got a tankless hot water heater and i consider it an absolute luxury over a traditional water heater. There is no difference, i jus don’t worry about 60 gallons of water chillin in the corner of my basement.
Actually if your water heater was chilling then it's a good thing you replaced it
@@Associate00 ya but it wasn’t chilling. It was chillin.
There’s no difference except unlimited hot water lol
There’s a whole list of differences but as a master plumber for him to say as a plumber we don’t understand inlet water temp affects outlet water temp and flow rate is ridiculous we’re not alcoholic bubbas anymore.
1. Maintenance: tank style ahhh really never tankless annually
2. Parts: tank style local hardware store carries everything you need tankless if it’s not a well respected brand or if it’s a unusual part you could be without hot water for a week or more
3. Replacement: tank style have been the same inlet outlet and vent set up for decades tankless will change and your existing vent may not be approved for the new regs and have to be changed out
Tank style water heater is like an old ford anyone can fix it and you can get parts anywhere
Tankless is like a Mercedes maintenance is expensive and not many people can actually work on them. Most plumbers are going to tell you to replace it
@@MywifesaidicouldYou've just sold me on replacing my tankless with the old fashioned kind. The home inspector told me the thing didn't need maintenance, then I found out when the thing stopped working because of scale buildup. I've done annual maintenance since then, but started it too late. Now things aren't looking good for the unit.
The ROI based on energy savings for a tankless is like 15yrs. By then the tankless will need to be replaced. The ONLY reason to go with tankless is for unlimited, on demand hot water, NOTenergy savings.
You think its energy efficient to keep 60 gallons of water hot all the time?
What is the recommended maintenance on a condensing tankless heater? It’s a lot. You needs to descale 1-2 times a year. You needs to pull the fan and clean it. You need to clean the thermistors, you needs to clean the igniter and flame sensor, you need to blow out the heat exchanger, probably something else I’m forgetting. I just don’t like selling customers tankless heaters without telling them the maintenance requirements. I charge about $500 to do a full maintenance and that’s a lot. Most customers don’t want a tankless if they know what they’re really getting into.
Thank you for everything. You've made plumbing approachable and doable
Being a plumber is a tankless job.
Tankless may save energy over a tank style unit. Tankless costs more up front and the yearly maintenance costs eats up any savings.
We got a thankless in 2001. Still works never had to repair it and u can get stoned and shower for 4 hours lol
Lol hell yea
😂 I guess when you're stoned, you forget about all the money going down the drain.
We love our tankless, and we are in Canada. Our supply water varies in temperature a lot, but there is never an issue. We also have very clean, soft water where we are. I did a back flush on it after a couple of years of use, and nothing came out. No colour change in the flush solution at all. I will keep doing it, but maybe every 5 years or so. It is a stainless unit, versus copper, so maybe that makes a difference in the amount of scale?
Awww, that was a really thoughtful comment, you should show it to your poor little water heater, then maybe it’ll realize how much you appreciate all the hard work he’s been doing and it won’t feel so “thankless” heating the water for your next 4 hour shower.
Hello Roger
I am and Plumber/Gas Fitter in Canada. I love tankless water heater I have one in my house. It is great. They are getting more and more cost effective. I have been switch restaurant from a big AO smith cyclone to one or more tanklesses. It makes a replacement in the future cheaper faster and easier and faster to source.
I live in Alaska and the last house I rented had a tankless. I bought my current place and it has a traditional tank but when it's time to replace that you better believe I'm going tankless. If it works here, it'll work anywhere.
Without a recirculation pump in combi units for domestic it takes 60 seconds or more to get hot water to your furthest fixture. Also you should have a water softener and a whole house filter prior. Maintenance do not. forget to clean the unit once or twice a year by using the cleaning port valves to descale it.
in Germany, those little tankless units are pushing 21-24kW into the water and making it boiling hot. but they need three phases 400V supply. :D
We just replaced our old viessman tankless with a brand new IBC tankless water heater, were in Canada. 8500 dollars later its all installed but man that is pricey for a water heater. I grew up on a tank water heater and for me i find they don't even compare. I feel way more at ease with a tank water heater. These tankless water heaters feel like there are so many things that could go wrong. Plus to install a new tank water heater is like 1200 bucks not 8500. Takes forever to get hot water in the morning when the pipes and water in the pipes are cold with the tankless aswell. The savings are nice. But for a traditional tank water heater is the way to go by far hands down, for me.
As a plumber, I install a regular water heater and don't hear about anything for the life of the warranty, install a tankless, something always goes wrong
Is that installation related?
@@6bean8 no it's product related, a standard water heater is a simple design, if theres no hot water, its simple to fix
Most important thing to consider is that when you lose power, forget about shower. You need electricity to operate tankless water heater regardless of whether it runs on natural gas or propane.
Love the emphasis on “crazy” for Canada
It is crazy up here
I'm a plumber I install many hundreds of tankless water heater in Chicago Illinois area we have very cold weather here and after years no problems so far
what about for well water? and electric tank?
Last year 2 of my customers had me rip out their tankless because of operating characteristics and limitations vs a tank water heater. This is why I only install them for those who research pros and cons first. Cold inlet water is just one con...of many.
I live in Canada and we have a tankless Navien and there are no limitations. It will heat any inlet temperature we get right up to 130°F. I do have the largest one. I think the problem is people in cold climates getting under sized units.
@@geoffmooregm Correct.👍 Either not taking into account cold inlet water temp or they underestimate demand in GPM and go smaller than needed.
I hate how you get a slug of cold water every single time you turn off and back on the hot water. You need to wait for the burners to kick back on once it senses flow again. Also most dishwashers don't use enough water at one time for it to get hot, so your dishwasher sprays water 50 times and that means the fan, and igniter kick on 50 times and you're still washing with cold water
@Andrew Hammes not sure about all on demand units, but mine has a buffer tank built in, so that won't happen. If you really want to go nuts, you can install a recirc pump and/or a larger external buffer tank.
With mine, there is no perceptible difference versus a traditional tank.
@@geoffmooregm what do you use as a buffer tank?
If too many people are drawing at once you will be adjusting your temp setting in the shower. Do that 3 or 4 times in one shower and it gets old. I went back to a tank.
We call it a " combi boiler" here in the uk we use concentric flue for it. I fit a couple ever week it's the most common type of water heater in the uk.
Combi’s are very common in the states too they serve both domestic hot water and radiant heating throughout house. This is just a tankless waterheater
Vent no but vent and gas line or increased electrical service for your home or business absolutely. If you don’t have a tankless depending on length of gas line and gas pressure provided you could be looking at 2400 for a good tankless and 4-8,000 for gas and venting
Combi with a extended recirc loop or small storage vessel combats that issue in Canada aswell as allows for the pressure increase after the combi system to allow for a large bath to filled faster and hotter
Thanks for the way you do this tankless job.
Just make sure you have a water softener, especially here in west Texas.
He should have expanded on the answer to pvc venting. You have to buy a condensing model for that, which is even more efficient than standard tankless.
I live in Canada and have installed over 50 tankless heaters with no ground water temperature issues
We use concentric exhaust system for tankless water heaters. Makes it a single hole coming through the side of the house instead of two, it breathes in and our air through the same fitting.
They work well in warm climates but in Colorado where I am they are absolutely a waste of money because where I am the groundwater that comes in is pretty much 40ﾟ so it is not money friendly at all and it makes the tankless water heater overwork
never had that issue running one in Alaska.
Where did you hear that bs from lmao
You just need a higher BTU model to get the temperature you want from cold water. I am in Canada and have no issues. I can't comment on the cost vs. a gas-fired tank when constantly heating cold water, but ours is sure cheaper than the electric tank we used to have.
I'm in North Florida and I've been putting in tankless hot water heaters and I find that they work great here I can't answer for other areas but I like exterior for the best
My ground water right now is like 35.. Takes a good gallon and half for me to get warm water everytime i turn on the hot water tap.
Rinnai's work great in Central Canada. Love IBC's too!
As a Canadian who deals with tankless water heater questions I didn’t realize there’s curves for inlet temp so thanks!
Our temps near the border are round 42 in winter so you were on the money. But further north though, it’ll drop to 33 (I neither sell nor install these)
You can 2" pvc on most models, some tankless units still require concentric.
Agreed. My units manual said PVC but local code required CPVC. Crazy overpriced. I guess if there is a fire in the pipe, it will save the day. When you go outside and feel the exhaust it is luke-warm.
There's no getting around the fact that tankless are higher maintenance
Must depend where you live. I am in the Pacific North West with clean, soft water. I do zero maintenance. I backed flushed it after 5 years, and NOTHING came out. I will keep doing it every once in a while, and it will just cost me a jug of vinegar. The benefits of having it far outweigh everything else. We love ours. It's a Navien, the biggest residential one they make. I was skeptical at first and was going to change my electric tank to gas to save on electricity. My brother-in-law, who is a plumber, convinced me to go tankless. We installed it in a day and it is the best thing we did to our home.
In the UK these are just called boilers, and are in every house in the UK... We get hot water in seconds from every tap
in NJ and love our tankless combi, but I grew up in Europe do I was use to them, it was an eye opener for my American wife and her architect dad
I’ll stick with my tank man
Smartest comment on here
I have in floor water heating. We use a tankless water heater. Right now it is super cold here. So that means my intake water in very cold. Doesn't take very long to get hot water though. I have hot water by the time I rinse the soap off my hands. So doesn't take very long.
Tankless units seem to work just fine here in the Colorado cold.
It's all about space, and what your comfortable with. If I had a first or second floor tank, I may think about changing to tankless. If I have a basement tank, it's going to continue to be a tank probably forever.
I'm just south of the Canadian lime and the best water you can get is the 40 degree well water. The well is over 300ft deep and some of the cleanest you can find
My home has tankless and HAD a gas range that is now electric. Could I reninstall a gas range? Did I loose tooany BTUs?
I install a lot of Navians up here in Seattle. Typically the 240a or 240s. Never seen a unit that couldn't keep up with homeowners demands. 5-7k for unit and install.
I'm in Alaska and we only install tankless. We service existing tanks only because we installed a few 15 years ago.
Or you get an electric tankless like me, which works just fine in northern USA. Cost me 200 bucks for the unit, had to run a line to it for about 100, and my electric bill went from $180 per month down to $70-80, and I don’t need to vent anything.
20+ years here. The only thing I would say is put a high heat sediment filter downstream from the heater to catch scale so your cartridges don't get destroyed. Cheep and easy. Yes proper servicing of the heater will eliminate this. Let's be honest though, we tell the homeowner to service every 6 months for scale but they will end up not giving a tinkers damn. Just add the filter. It'll add 20 minutes to the job and a couple hundy to the pocket. everyone is happy.
Ok, no venting is not expensive per se. But how hard is it to run this venting either out the side or out the roof? Especially doing old construction work, meaning the house is done, finished and everything. Will you have to drill holes, remove Sheetrock, and a roof penetration? That can add up fairly quickly. Not to mention too that you’d want as little 90 elbows as possible because that is considered a “restriction” or “resistance”. Common mistake on installs is the plumber not paying attention to the length of the pipe and adjusting the dip switch for “long vent” or “short vent” accordingly and after time the tankless will throw out an error code indicating a “clogged vent”.
In addition, tankless models often require upsizing the gas piping (or wiring for electric models) to meet the greater demand of the tankless. Failure to do that on gas models starves the unit for fuel and causes improper operation.
I'm an hour south of our northern friends and I installed 40 to 50 tankless units a year absolutely love them and probably 80 or more combi water heater boiler systems most are 2in pvc or cpvc due to cpvc sch80 taking higher vent temperature ground water temperature spend more time in the low 40s and high 30s
The stash is awesome my brother!
What about well water that has a lot of minerals? Won't that quickly scale up the heat exchanger?
It could...water softener or water filtration system would help
We went tankless about a decade ago in my house and have never looked back. It might take a minute or two to get going in the coldest of winter weather, but once it's hot it stays hot forever.
My "tankless" here in Australia uses reticulated natural gas and it is an absolute beast. I rang the manufacturer and asked if it needed to be serviced (after I''ve lived 15 years in the property, the unit is at least 25). He was like "is the water hot?" I said yes so he said "Nuh." They don't break... but I know the LNG's days are numbered and those mains are going to be shut down for environment reasons within I reckon 20 years max... so how does everyone like their electric tankless?
I have bought a Black in Decker Electric Tankless Water heater I have cold water but not hot water
The temp of the water in, is far less important than the dissolved mineral content in the water. The fins that the water flows through are very tiny compared to traditional tank water heaters, meaning water that works fine in a regular water heater will destroy a tankless in a matter of months. No matter the water source, install a prefiltering system. I have city water, and my dissolved mineral content is far worse than anything we had when we lived out in the country with a well.
99% sure this guy is the party boat captain from American Dad
What about a tempering tank? Do you guys have to worry about legions more with higher ground temps?
unlimited got water at an exact temperature. there are serious pros to this without doubt. i helped install many of these and they are insanely simple. only draw back is that you always wait a bit for the water to come hot..but like10-15 seconds sometimes
Hi everyone! Could someone tell me what size tankless I should get for family of 6..in florida???
Tank water heaters HIDE a lot of plumbing issues.
I got out of the business before tankless became hugely popular. I never had to deal with installing or repairing them.
Canadian plumber here we install tankless water heaters all the time here
Do you prefer them over tank type?
Best bet is to get advice from a full time plumber that has Experience with the tank
Are tankless water heaters more expensive to run. Maybe if you got a geothermal heating system you can do it, or you are connected to a district heating system. But if you got non of these systems in place, and are only using a tankless water heater with electricity from your wall, isn't that expensive? I'm asking as a non plumber, and are very interested in all kind of technology and solutions. Kind regards.
Tankless water heaters save quite a bit of power. Whether or not you have a tank, it takes the same amount of energy to heat the water up, but a tankless unit will only heat the water up while you're using the hot water, but a old fashioned one with a big tank of water will heat that tank and if you don't use it, it will have to heat that tank again and again It doesn't matter if you go out and spend $10,000 on a super well insulated heat pump hot water tank If it's sitting there having the heat the water up over and over it will always use more energy. Not to mention even if you don't use all of the hot water in the tank, the cold water pouring in still has to be heated as you use hot water.
If you're in Europe and Asia and have a 400 volt system as an option, electric is the way to go but in the US It's rare to see anything over 240 volt. I had a natural gas one installed at my house about 8 years ago and there's absolutely no way I would ever go back to the antique type that runs out of hot water and uses at least 30% more energy
@@ZoomZoom870atGmail OKEY 400V systems I suppose, can candle to heat up all the water you need. I didn't know that a tankless was less expensive to run. Is this true even if you use a lot of water. For example many in the family?
I am in Toronto and the water is coming out near freezing. Tankless works great!
Keep showing me this over and over a rinnai has a internal heater to keep it from freezing so long as you don't buy a Amazon special get A Rinnai it will work 😊
Up here in Canada using tankless water heaters, doing just fine thank you.
Tha ks for that info. Also, thanks for not using those annoying, spastic subtitles on this video.
No problem!
Still has to have condensate drain at top even using PVC for sweating
The first piece of solid info this guy ever gave
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Somewhere "crazy" like that.. love it 😅 🇨🇦
Awesome video!!
Glad you enjoyed it! Do you have a tankless water heater?
Honestly i feel tankless is the best option since you never run out of hot water
If you don’t use a “tank” your piping becomes the tank for the heat source.
Only problem with tankless is that they have a ton of moving parts and if something breaks you can't just go to home depot and get a replacement.
That's correct. And if you call a plumber about a brand/model specific part for your fancy tankless, it may take a week or more to get it and require installation by someone charging over $100 per hour.
@@Robnord1 yep lol that's what it comes to every time I service one. No hot water for a day or no hot water for a week. That's the choice with that.
If the power goes out, you have to take cold showers. At least that what seems to be the case at my grandparents
@@WastedDad tanklesses can’t run without power to run the draft inducer motor and the electronics inside, nothing beats a standard water heater
Counterpoint: They rarely break
Can anyone recommend me a small tankless electric water heater around 6-10 gallons for a small own bedroom studio. I need it to heat up the water as it runs through not the water heaters that take a while to warm up water
Just wish tankless installs had RHW lines. Takes forever to get hot water
Rinnai does, I did a video about it awhile back
What is that?
Roger, why not put on demand electric water heater at each location in the house?
Love the moustache.
Are tankless water heaters going to destroy the plumbers jobs
Basically how hard does the water heater have to work to get your 120 degree water is what the first part is. 👍🏻
Bro I thought you said: “I’m the bunt king”
I am also that
Ain't worth the money
It’s called Delta T!
I preffer tank water heater, with tankless we cant make hot water circulation and we must wait for hot water. In small flat this is Not problem but in large house - this is waste time and water.
Not true, I'm installing one in a big house right now and it has a return on it
Navien NPE 240 A2 has a built in 3 gal buffer tank and recirc pump built in. Recirc pump is built right in way more cost effective external recirc pumps are expensive
Try 36°
America just have to up there game with plumbing
Cheers from 🇨🇦
Electric???
Not if it's an electric tankless
Are electric crap?
@@jasoncheshire6153 electric just can't do the job
Literally the whole world is using tankless and America is still on tank type
70 degree ground water!? 😳 Just add coffee grounds🤡
You live in Texas and you call Canada “a crazy place”???
Talk about calling the kettle black…
Who still uses water tanks lmao
About 80% of the US…
Canada = ©®aazzyyy
This guys knows some stuff but other stuff he's just blabbing about crap that makes no sense and you should NOT do
Nice stain on you shirt
Your full of it
Cut to Canada right now being in a polar vortex bringing -42°CELSIUS weather yea this place is crazy
OK, now tell them about the pressure loss.
What pressure loss? 50psi goes in, 50psi comes out
Not your worry CANADA
Roger fraudfield