SCRIPTURE PROOF that the LUNAR SABBATH DOCTRINE is FALSE - UPDATED.
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- Solid scripture proof that the lunar Sabbath doctrine is false and contradicts scripture in many places. discusses the Hebrew word moed, plural moedim. Updated video.
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Seven Questions to Roy Page:
Is the Pacific Ocean’s International Dateline (IDL) recognized by the Creator of time?
In the beginning did our Creator identify a need for an IDL upon earth, and provide for it?
If so, where is, or what is the Creator’s instrument for demarcating days, weeks, months and years?
Since what our Creator makes can never be changed or altered, how is it that the IDL can be moved at the whim of mankind, or the day changed from Saturday to Sunday?
Upon what premise can the continuous weekly cycle be broken to make adjustments?
What is the common denominator between clocks, Saturday, the continuous weekly cycle, the paper wall calendar, and the International Dateline?
What time-centric principles are established in the Scriptures for measuring time?
Scripture does not mention it, but it does say to submit to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake 1 Peter 2v13, so as long as it can be done in faith, ok.
The sun, the moon and the stars are the calender that God gave us. Remeber the gregorian calender is heathen and it was established in 1582, after 1600 years of 8 days of the Julian Calender. follows Gods creatiions not mans invention. The preacher needs to detox before studying Lunar sabbath
Governments do not have a right to create a man-made International Date Line IDL in order to change Yahuah's calendar in the sky.
It is right to not submit to governments who pass unrighteous laws that violate Yahush's laws. All Yah-given narrowly defined authority to humans has limits. Human laws have limits. Yah does not give any government or human unlimited authority over another.
• Joshua 6 Yah blessed Rahab the prostitute for lying and disobeying her king's authority.
• Exodus 1:15 Hebrew midwives disobeyed king Pharoah.
• I Sam 14 Jonathan was protected when he ate honey disobeying his father Saul, the king's foolish order not to eat.
• Esther 4 Esther was blessed for disobeying her husband the king's order not to come before him without first being called.
• I Kings 12 The Israelites rightfully refused to submit to Solomon's son king Rehoboam when he did not respect their right to freedom and not be treated as slaves.
• Ephesians 6 Parents don't have authority to exasperate their children provoking them to anger. Children have a right to rebel against unduly severe discipline that is abusive.
• Humans have a right to self-defense against abusive authority.
• Deut 23:15 Moses told escaped Israelite slaves not to return to their masters.
• Acts 5:29 We must obey Yah rather than men.
Every calendar needs a dateline. If you reject the sun-moon conjunction as a date line in order to create your own calendar with uninterrupted week cycles, you initially find yourself without a date line.
Your Achilles heel, Roy Page, is the man-made date line upon which your Sabbath day observance is based.
How can you consistently observe a Saturday Sabbath without using the artificial international date line?
You can't.
As a result, you have set a dateline for observing the Sabbath day otherwise you either gain or lose a day depending on which way you are traveling.
It is this very line that tells you when to move on from one day to the next; It is this very line that tells you which days should be considered holy and which should be considered ordinary.
How can Saturday be the heaven-ordained seventh-day Sabbath?
If the day is important, then the method of calculating the day is also important. You can't have both, i.e. one cannot say that the seventh-day Sabbath is of utmost importance to our Father in Heaven and at the same time say that it is acceptable to let secular people determine when the seventh-day Sabbath begins and ends (via the international date line).
"Holy" always refers to something that G-d has set apart, or that G-d has put His own presence into. The classification of holy and unholy was made by Him BEFORE any human beings ever sinned.
If we are to serve the Father without compromise, we must allow His word alone to distinguish for us that which is holy from that which is ordinary. That is to say we must use Heaven's calendar and Heaven's date line to determine when the Sabbaths and feast days arrive, not man's counterfeit date line that's been zigzagging its way throughout the Pacific ocean for the last 130 years.
Notice that Genesis does not say...
"And Elohim said, Let a committee of men (about 6,000 years from now) create an imaginary line at their discretion to divide the day from the night; and let it be for signs, and for seasons [worship times], and for days, and years."
If you are correct then you can show the scripture which explains how to determine the new moon.
Joshua 6:3,4 tells us that the army of Israel march round Jericho each day for seven days. So which day was the Sabbath? Were they violating the Law by marching on the Sabbath.
There is a video answering your question linked in the description. Please watch it.
You can walk on the Sabbath.
Just not a long distance. Its scriptural I just forget the verse.
@@Chris-qg8ss Acts 1:12. Be blessed.
The children of Israel began their march around Jericho on the new moon day. New moon day is not a 7th day sabbath. You cannot do any type of work on a sabbath. You cannot start a fire to cook or work in commerce on a 7th day sabbath. You cannot engage in commerce on a new moon day, but you can cook. New moon day is a day of no commerce, but is not a day of no work.
A question for the lunar moon calendar followers (or luni-solar followers).
“And they took their journey from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came unto the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, ON THE FIFTEENTH DAY of the second month after their departing out of the land of Egypt.” (Exodus 16:1, KJV)
How can they travel so far on a Sabbath day? 15th? Its not allowed on a weekly Sabbath and you celebrate your Sabbath every 15th of the month, every month.
God bless you Chris.
Leviticus 23:6-8- And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Lev 23:7 - In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
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Lev 23:8 - But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
Feasts and marches happen the fifteenth day after the fourteenth day or second Sabbath. The month (month: which literally means new moon in Hebrew) starts on the new moon and seven days from that is the Sabbath.
In looking at both the Hebrew Masoretic text of Scripture and the ancient Greek Septuagint translation (LXX), we see that what occurred on the 15th day of the second moon was the murmuring of the children of Israel, not the traveling.
And they departed from Aelim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came to the wilderness of sin, which is between Aelim and Sinai; and on the fifteenth day, in the second month after their departure from the land of Egypt, all the congregation of the children of Israel murmured against Moses. [Exodus 16:1 LXX]
One work we have consulted gives us witness that the Hebrew (Masoretic) Text actually portrays the same meaning as the Septuagint.
The presence of a major logical pause between the verb “came” and the words “on the fifteenth day” verifies this fact. This logical pause is denoted by the use of the atnah, which resembles an upside down “v”, under the Hebrew word for Sinai… The presence of the logical pause in Exodus 16:1 shows that Israel had come to the wilderness of sin and made camp by the beginning of the fifteenth day.
(S.: The Christian Passover, by Fred R. Coulter, p. 407-409 1993, 1999 York Publishing Co. | P.O. Box 1038 Hollister, CA 95024)
Realizing this from both the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures, we see that there is no justification for those who insist that some type of strenuous traveling took place on the 15th day of the second month.
If the text bore out here that traveling was done on the 15th it would be an indication that a Sabbath day was not taking place. However, the text does not give us such an understanding.
I want to throw this out there - Here is an “eyewitness” account showing how the Messiah and the Judeans of his day kept the weeks and the 7th day of the week - the Sabbath. And it is NOT the way it is being observed today! Philo the “Jew” - a contemporary of the Messiah - left a record for all to see, a record that CLEARLY shows when the Messiah and the Judeans kept YAHUWAH’s holy Sabbath day. Truly, Lamentations 2:6 has been fulfilled, which says YAHUWAH’ “has caused the appointed feasts and Sabbaths to be forgotten on Zion.”
And this - ON MATING WITH THE PRELIMINARY STUDIES, X1X (102) it says,
“For it is said in the Scripture: On the tenth day of this month let each of them take a sheep according to his house; in order that from the tenth, there may be consecrated to the tenth, that is to Yahuwah, the sacrifices which have been preserved in the soul, which is illuminated in two portions out of the three, until it is entirely changed in every part, and becomes a heavenly brilliancy like a full moon, at the height of its increase at the end of the second WEEK…”
I wonder too where in the Scriptures that we should use the Gregorian calendar when it wasn't the calendar when God created the earth?
In addition to Shabbats, what were the new moon days, on which the temple was open? Were those other Shabbats, or were they work days?
If you look up the Hebrew word for new moon you will find it is chodesh, Strong's 2320, which is translated month 254 times. It is not the word for moon.
Ezekiel 46:1 (KJV) Thus saith the Lord GOD; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.
There are 3 types of days. 1) New moon days 2) Work days 3) Sabbaths. A new moon day will never occur on a work day or sabbath.
@@rubyellis.5472 yep. So how do we make the Gregorian calendar make sense using this information without making Yehovah seem wrong?
Roy, I also want to THANK YOU for allowing me to post on your videos without removing my posts, others have not allowed me to do so, but you did, I do believe that your an honest man.
I believe you are genuine too and I trust that God will bring us to the same understanding one day. I pray he will. God bless you.
Some believe that Jesus was in the tomb not less than 72 hours and not more than 72 hours, but according to Jewish understanding, this is not mandatory. In traditional Jewish thinking, a part of the day corresponds to the whole. Against it the designation 3 days and 3 nights is too specific, as that it can be used here as a fixed expression, so that 3 parts day and 3 parts night can be assumed.
Also the counting of 3 days and 3 nights with assumption of 72 hours begins with the night. However, it does not say 3 nights and 3 days.
Moreover, in the biblical calendar the Feast Day of Unleavened Bread (15th day of the month) always falls on the Sabbath (7th day of the week), cf.Ex.13:6 .8-9; Ex.13:6; Ex.28:17.
What also stands out is the alleged working day between the feast day and the weekly Sabbath, which is nowhere assignable in the Scriptures, i.e. all Gospels cover themselves in complete silence about what is supposed to have happened on this day.
The events of the crucifixion week cannot be synchronized with today's modern seven-day week.
If you Google' inclusive and righteous reckoning', you will find a website logosapostolic.org which will debunk inclusive reckoning. God bless you.
I watched, and now I have a question to ask; In this video you believed that God made the Sun the Moon and the stars to be the ones ruling the day and nights and seasons on the 4th day as Genesis 1;14-16 said,,now my question is if this is true, then what is the thing ruling the day and night on day 1,2 and 3 if the Sun,Moon and stars was made in the 4th day? Just a thought.
My answer is God. He spoke it and it came to pass as he said. Just like Revelation 22:23. God bless you.
@@roypage I'm sorry i'm a seeker of truth so pardon me but i don't understand it; In the creation account I ask what is the light ruling that made day and night on Day 1,2 and 3 in the entire planet not just a sliver of a city in Revelation 21:23 that you've mentioned. If God was the Light in the creation account then why would He even bother had to say "let there be light" when He was already illuminating everything to begin with? and if He really was the light, where did he say that He was in the creation account? All i know is that God said that the Sun and the moon are suppose to be the one that He ordained to rule the day and night and that is scripture, but you said that He was that light in the creation week which is not there. Like you quoted in Proverbs 30:6-Do not add to the words lest He reproves you and thou be found a liar. I also don't think that the ancient Hebrews when their children ask them the same question like i'm doing here have in their hands at that time the book of Revelations to explain it.
@@rhoelstodomingo6262 In Isaiah 45:7 God says' I create darkness', and darkness was on the face of the deep, Genesis 1:2. This was the way God decided to do it. God bless you.
@@roypage Yes Isaiah 45:7- "I form the Light and create Darkness;( I agree) but still does not answer my question What is that Light that He(God) formed in day 1,2 and 3 if it's not the Sun,Moon and Stars coz obviously it wasn't Him that radiating everything coz He never anywhere said that He was but look closely in Genesis 1:3 said>>And God said "Let there be Light": AND THERE WAS LIGHT. so even for me that is not a native English speaking individual understood in that verse that there was absolutely no light anywhere not even radiating from HIM(God) not until He said "let there be light", then and only then that the light showed up. And also again if those ancient Hebrew children as curious as I am ask their parents this things that i inquire of you right now, at Moses's times, do you think they have the book of Isaiah in their hands to explain this things to them. They don't have the book of any of the Old testament yet much worse the New testament, the only thing they have in their hands is the Turah the 5 books of Moses yes, not even all the books of the Prophets. I absolutely did not ask about the darkness but I ask what is that Light in day 1,2 and 3 right after He said let there be light?
He created light and evening and morning before making the moon and the Sun on the 4th day, by His Word. This is why Scientist erroneously estimate the age of the Universe as well. They think the light in the Universe has traveled the great distances they observe but they are ignorant for ignoring the fact God put light in the Universe before creating the Sun, Moon and Stars where light currently emanates from. Like Roy Page said, He will be the light in the New Jerusalem, it will be no need for the Sun there.
Which calendar is the right one?
Sabbath begins at sunset on Friday and ends at sunset on Saturday. That is what we use.
Are you Seven day Adventist?
@@marshapeterson7423 No. Logos Apostolic Church of God.
@@roypage which verse says Saturday is the Sabbath day?? there is no scripture reference,u r just trying to preserve ur ego
@@ronaldmaina3818 You are correct, the bible does not mention Saturday. So what do you think is the seventh day of the week now on the biblical calendar?
Hi i must commend you on your presentation of this subject the only thing i differ with is the period of when CHRIST died and rose from the dead,,CHRIST died on preparation day and the next day was the Sabbath and it was also a HIGH DAY which showed that a feast day also fell on the Sabbath and HE raised from death early in the morning on the first day.stay blessed my brother in YAHSUA (CHRIST)
I would suggest you watch this video ua-cam.com/video/rlCbOW7s6oA/v-deo.html and let me know what you think. God bless you.
Using the Hebrew calendar, the 14th of Nisan (passover) is a preparation day before the Sabbath. The 15th is a Sabbath day, and in this case, it started the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Thus, it is a High Sabbath.
Following the time prophecy of Daniel 9 and secular history, Jesus was crucified in the year 30AD. Jesus was crucified on the 14th, at the same time the priests were bleeding out sheep, Jesus was bleeding out on the cross. This was a Wednesday according to the Roman calendar. Jesus died at the 9th hour (3pm) and was placed in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea where He laid dead for 72 hours (fulfilling the sign of Jonah, 3 days and 3 nights). He rose from the dead Saturday late afternoon, and discovered risen from the grave when the women came to annoint His body.
Throw out Ressurection Sunday, Holy Thursday, Good Friday. This is how Pagan/Papal Rome set it up for us to believe. 🙏
@@bibleortraditions AMEN to that.
@@bibleortraditionsAmen!
And I think they are having a issue with the The Julian calendar and the The Julian calendar and the Gordian calender We're both created by roman catholic popes
This video will explain where the Julian and Gregorian calendars came in, and why it does not change the Sabbath day. ua-cam.com/video/eIcOsTpZ_g8/v-deo.html God bless you.
The Seventh-Day Adventist (S.D.A.) church in Samoa is undergoing a private “reconciliation” between two factions holding different views on observing the Sabbath, the President of its Samoa and Tokelau Mission says.
Pastor Sione Ausage declined to reveal further detail about communications between leaders of the S.D.A.’s Samoa and Tokelau missions about the Sabbath disagreement.
One church observes the Sabbath on Saturdays while a sister congregation on Sundays, following contrary interpretations about the impact of Samoa’s switch across sides of the international dateline in 2011.
“All I can say at this time is: the Church is in a reconciliation period. The details cannot be disclosed nor revealed,” the Pastor said in an email.
Last month members of the S.D.A. Church in the village of Samatau said they are sharing one church building.
One congregation uses the building on Saturday and the other congregation uses the church on Sunday.
The Sunday gathering is the S.D.A. Church Samatau, which comes under the Samoa and Tokelau Adventist Mission in Lalovaea where Pastor Ausage is the president.
Pastor Ausage is from Samatau.
The Saturday congregation is the Ekalesia Tausi Sapati Aso Fitu o le Toe Afio Mai i Samatau.
S.D.A. members say the situation is sensitive.
Before the dateline change they worshipped together on the same day, Saturday.
About two years after Samoa switched time zones, on 17 October 2013, the office of President of the General Conference of the S.D.A. Church issued a statement acknowledging an “unusual ambiguity” in Samoa.
“Today a majority of Seventh Day Adventists Christians in Samoa are meeting on the day now commonly called Sunday in Samoa-which is the same day of the week that their Adventist church family in American Samoa, only 64 kilometres away, worship on and call Saturday,” the statement explains.
“A minority of our community is meeting on the day now commonly called Saturday in Samoa, but is called Friday in American Samoa. Both groups believe they are meeting on the seventh day of the week. The Adventist Church acknowledges the unusual ambiguity that exists in Samoa, and accepts communities meeting on both days for the time being.”
@Roy
the problem of Sabbath observance in Samoa persists and should concern you. Tell us how much you can help here to solve the problem of the Samoan islanders? Which of the two Advent groups keeps the Sabbath on the right day?
I am glad I don't have their problem.
I do not know. The scripture does say to obey every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, but I am not a Seventh Day Adventist.
@@roypage Because the human-drawn date line is far away from you, you get around the problem. But that doesn't solve it. It persists. Apparently, where the arbitrarily set date line meets people, shifting the line may contribute to an unsolvable problem. With your expertise you should be able to solve their problem. Should both groups perhaps meet in the middle of what they believe to be the day of the Sabbath, half Saturday and half Sunday?
@@benaiah786 This does not resolve the difference between lunar Sabbath and 7th day sabbath. What is your answer to the death, burial an resurrection of Jesus my friend, three days and 3nights?
Le:23:39: Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
AMEN. God bless you.
@morgansikafunda5455 This statement from Scripture ONLY comes to fruition using the Creator's Calendar.
I believe so many discount the Creator’s Calendar because they don’t fully understand it. It is based on Scripture. It is referenced 100x in the Bible. There are the 12 Hebrew months: Tishri, Cheshvan, Kislev, Tevet, Shevat, Adar, Nisan, Iyar, Sivan, Tammuz, Av, and Elul.
The 1st of each and every month is a special day unto Yahuwah. It has all the benefits of rest and worship as a Sabbath, but a little bit more. The Temple gates are open, it is a day of rest and non-commerce, and it is a day of worship, reflection, and thanksgiving. However, it’s a little more special. Instead of just two lambs sacrificed, Yahuwah required two young bulls, plus one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish. (Numbers 28:11-15) A goat sin offering was required as well. The day called for the blowing of the shofar over the sacrificial offering. (Numbers 10:10; Neh 10:31; 1 Sam 2:5).
Each and every month works the same way. It starts with the 1st day of the month, the New Moon day mentioned above. Then 7 days are counted from day 2 to the 1st Sabbath of the month, the 8th of the month, another 7 days to the 15th of the month. Another 7 to the 22nd, and another 7 to the 29th. Thus the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th of each HEBREW month are Sabbath days.
Considering this, look at your verse quoted. "On the 15th day of the month, ye are gathered." The 15th is a Sabbath day according to the Creator's Calendar.
Then the verse continues, "...ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath."
We already shown the 15th is a Sabbath. If we count to the 8th day, including the 15th, it brings us to the 22nd. The 22nd is always a Sabbath in the Creator's Calendar. In no other calendar, Julian or Gregorian, is this true! 🙏
@@bibleortraditions So in short, saturday is not the sabbath day because the sabbath day depends on the moon lunation period and it may not always fall on the Saturday of the Gregorian calendar? and if it is so, the jewish calendar must not be a fixed calendar as it is now because the lunation days vary according to the number of days during conjuction not so?
@@morgansikafunda5455 Hi Morgan. There is nothing "in short" with my replies. Sorry! 🙏 So....
Saturday is not the Sabbath. And it is true, using the Hebrew or Creator’s Calendar, the weekly Sabbath can fall on any day of the planetary Gregorian calendar in use today.
The Creator’s Calendar was in use thousands of years before the rise of Rome, and Jews, Christians, and Jesus used this calendar until it was banned by decree in the early 4th century AD.
The Romans always had their pagan calendar. It started with the Julian calendar with there being 8 days per week to start. The days were identified by using the letters of the alphabet. They didn’t even keep track of two of the months (60 days) because they fell during winter. Nothing happened in winter, so why count it? Thus we find the etymology of September (Sept =7), October (Oct =8), November (Novem =9), and December (Decem = 10). The two months were added much later, July (Julius Caesar) and August (Augustus Caesar).
Without making this a novel, Constantine the Great and his son, Constantius II, united the two biggest factions in the Roman Empire: pagans and Christians. They used a reworked Julian calendar. Saturday was moved from day 1 to day 7, this bumped Sunday from being day 2 to day 1. Sunday then became the day of worship. The pagans were onboard because they were sun worshippers, and Christians came onboard because this was the supposed day Jesus rose from the dead.
They had 1 pesky problem: The Hebrew calendar. Christians knew Christ was crucified on Passover, which following the Hebrew calendar, can fall on any one of the planetary days of the week. Rome needed to fix the day of worship, so they outlawed the Hebrew calendar and fixed Easter Sunday as the day Jesus resurrected. Easter works for both pagan (it was a pagan holiday) and Christians… the Lord’s day.
The pesky Jews, whom Rome had very little esteem, could keep the Hebrew calendar for its feast days, but the weekly Sabbath must be pinned to the Julian (and later Gregorian) calendar. With the blessing of Hillel II, head of the Sanhedrin, they set the Sabbath day in stone.
So, technically, the Jews today use 2 calendars. The Gregorian for its Sabbaths, and the Hebrew for its feast days.
The Jews today absolutely know the Gregorian Sabbath is not the true Sabbath. However, they keep the false Sabbath because it is in their Rabbinical traditions, chronicled in the Talmud.
It’s funny, people today think… The Jews keep the Saturday Sabbath, therefore the Sabbath is Saturday the 7th day, because that the day the Jews keep. Haha! Circular reasoning! I hope this helps. 🙏
@@morgansikafunda5455 correct.saturday is not the sabbath.saturday is part of the Gregorian timepiece and Hillel 2 jewish calendar is a compromise. time to go back to the true calendar
..the comment made, over when the wavesheaf was waved in completely contrary to what Le.23:11 says.
It was waved, "..on the morrow after the sabbath..", or as the Septuagent reads, "..on the morrow of the first day..".
That sabbath spoken of was the First Day of Unleavened bread.
My video on "Three days and three nights " proves it was a weekly Sabbath, Matthew 12:40. God bless you.
@@roypage
What was the miracle SIGN that YASHUAH said would be the ONLY SIGN?
@@russfrancis4220 I do not recall he ever used the words "only sign", please enlighten me.
@@roypage
Matt 12:39
"No sign will be given EXCEPT"...
@@russfrancis4220 Thank you and God bless you.
He died on Passover Day
not any other day
He is the Passover Lamb
Yes 14th Nisan.
Preparation is before evening on the 14th. Passover daylight is 15th. If the same "24 hours day" begins evening after sunset, then all of Passover is on the 15th.
@@familyshare3724 The whole of the 14th was the preparation, Mark 15v42, Luke 23v54 John 19v14&31&42. God bless you.
@@roypage yes, certainly, the crucifixion was three hours before noon and Jesus died (gave up the ghost) three hours after noon, all on the 14th, just as the prepared Passover lamb ... before the Passover and Sabatthu on the 15th.
@@familyshare3724 Matthew 26:17-19, Mark 14:12-16, Luke 22:7-13. Passover prepared on the day of the passover. God bless you.
I'm not a loner sabbath keeper Bet I think what their question is is how do you know that the 7th day is representing Saturday Where is scriptures stating that is what they're looking for
It's been kept by the Jews religiously since the time of Jesus, and he kept the correct day. God bless.
@@roypage Jews rejected the light, Christ Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath, they choose darkness, instead of light. They rejected the Lord of the Sabbath and yet the claim is they keep the Sabbath of the Lord. Jews keep Saturn-day Sabbath of the devil. Very bad example to follow. Jews following falsehood religiously rejected the truth.
Isa 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!
Isa 5:21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, and shrewd in their own sight!
Most people like the wordily people will not keep the "loner" Sabbath, who wants to be set apart from the world and be a loner? Julien/Gregorian Calendar is very friendly of this world, almost everyone one follows it. All trade/business/economics, all buying and selling is conducted on this very world friendly calendar, namely Julien/Gregorian Calendar.
Jas 4:4 You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.
@@roypage - "It's been kept by the Jews religiously since the time of Jesus, and he kept the correct day. God bless."
Rubbish! The Jews changed their calendar from Luni-Solar to fixed Solar in 568AD under leadership of Hillel II. Unless you are an ignorant lying fool, then I would suggest that you research this matter and then publicly retract this lie.
As for the Jews, they couldn't even recognise their own Messiah, let alone the correct day for Passover - John 18:28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; BUT THAT THEY MIGHT EAT THE PASSOVER.
Jesus had already eaten Passover the evening before, so the Jews had already gotten it WRONG before Messiah was even sacrificed. Judas SOLD the location of Messiah to the High Priest on Passover, and the High Priest BOUGHT the location of Messiah from Judas on Passover. Both men died that same year because Neh 10:31 clearly states that it is forbidden for believers to BUY or SELL on ANY HOLY DAY!
How on earth did you ever become a Bible teacher, when you don't even know the Bible?
@@roypage Hi Roy. I must make a correction. The Jews, Jesus, and the Apostles did not use the Julian calendar. They all used the Hebrew calendar, the Creator's Calendar, It wasn't until the early 4th century, at the Council of Nicaea in 325AD, did the calendar change. Constaine the Great, wanting to unite Christians and pagans, pushed the Julian calendar with Sunday becoming the day of worship. Pagans loved it because they were sun worshippers, the Christians liked it because they were told Sunday was the day Christ rose from the dead.
Constantine and his son, Constantius II, forbad the use of the Hebrew calendar, and they forced the Jews to use Saturday as their weekly Sabbath day.
Leviticus 23:4-8 says no work on the 15th day of 1st month
so Leviticus 23:14 is not possible to be on the 15th day of 1st month
and we read on in Leviticus 23:15 is onto Pentecost
I think you need to see this www.logosapostolic.org/bible_study/RP208-3Hierarchy-law.htm
God bless you.
This has been on my mind as of late. Thank you for this video.
Thank you, God bless you.
How do you say you don't understand the old testament... with our saying you don't understand the old testament....you make this video.
Calendars have been manipulated.
They have certainly been changed. God bless you.
The Gregorian calendar is the calendar used in most parts of the world. It was introduced in October 1582 by Pope Gregory XIII as a modification of, and replacement for, the Julian calendar
Exactly right Marsha. God bless you.
@@roypage which is a Babylonian calendar. The three angels message is to come out of Babylon
@@bradleymoore862 My understanding is that Babylon refers to the apostate religion of the last days. Probably the interfaith movement headed by Rome, a place known to the apostles, 1 Peter 5:13. God bless you.
@@bradleymoore862 Babylon in Revelation has nothing to do with a calendar, but with the system of the Catholic Church
A question for the lunar moon calendar followers (or luni-solar followers).
“And they took their journey from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came unto the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, ON THE FIFTEENTH DAY of the second month after their departing out of the land of Egypt.” (Exodus 16:1, KJV)
How can they travel so far on a Sabbath day? 15th? Its not allowed on a weekly Sabbath and you celebrate your Sabbath every 15th of the month, every month...
In Hebrew it says that the sun and moon were appointed not created on the 4th day.
the sun and moon and stars would've been created in among the heavens and the earth on day 1 and then waiting to be brought forth at their time.
God creates by speaking words, so read Genesis 1v14.
@@roypage asa not bara
"For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make shall remain before Me," says . . . [Yahuwah], "So shall your descendants and your name remain. And it shall come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me," says . . . [Yahuwah]. (Isaiah 66:22-23, NKJV)
New moon would be better translated 'new month '.
@@roypage yes,a new month is marked by the appearance of the new moon
@@ronaldmaina3818 Can you give me any scripture reference which instructs us how to determine the new moon?
@@roypage u can use ur eyes and check the sky at night to see if the new moon has appeared or u can consult the meteorologist to know when the new moon will appear, then mark it as the first day of the month, have u read Ezekiel 46:1-3 and Isaiah 66:23???
@@ronaldmaina3818 So what I ask is a bible reference where anybody ever did that.
Tthere are 3 types of day. new moon days, work days and sabbath days. scripture tells us this.
And David said unto Jonathan, Behold, to morrow is the new moon, and I should not fail to sit with the king at meat: but let me go, that I may hide myself in the field unto the third day at even.
so why be feasting when the command is to work 6 days then shabbat? does that mean every new moon is a weekly sabbath? No
And Moses put up the tabernacle in the wilderness on a new moon day, does that mean that every new moon day is a work day? No.
Ezekiel 46:1
‘Thus says the Lord God, “The gate of the inner court facing east shall be shut the six working days; but it shall be opened on the sabbath day and opened on the day of the new moon.
Look up the word for new moon there. It means month.
If the 14th of Nisan was both a Passover and Weekly Sabbath Day and the 15 of Nisan was both First Day of First Day of Feast of Unleaven Day and Feast of First Fruit (sheaf waving) than we must re-examine our exegesis. To me Joshua 5:10 - 12 speaks of two types of corn i.e. old corn from the land and new corn from Canaan. These two are not the same. Levitics 23 speaks of new corn that has been harvested which should not be eaten before it is waved before the Lord.
I think you will find that Leviticus 20 refers to the barley harvest, not corn. God bless you.
Long before the Gregorian and Julian calendars (Julian had 8-day weeks, the 1st day being Saturnday), the Hebrews used a calendar. They just didn’t count days out of thin air. These are the months: Tishri, Cheshvan, Kislev, Tevet, Shevat, Adar, Nisan, Iyar, Sivan, Tammuz, Av, and Elul. We know that the Creator’s Calendar included feast days and new moons, and other appointed times (mo’edim). All of the information above is found in the Bible. So, are you suggesting the Creator’s Calendar did not have spots for the Sabbath days, or the Hebrews kept a 2nd calendar? Another question: If pagan Rome did not come onto the scene to provide the Julian Calendar, and Pope Gregory XIII (one of the top 5 most evil popes) and the Jesuits (enough said) did not come onto the scene to provide the Gregorian Calendar, what calendar would we, as Christians, be using?
My doubts about new moon days is that the Hebrew word translated new moon is chodesh, which means month not moon, so why not translate new month?
@@roypage "chodesh" means a new moon, or a month. This is exactly what the New Moon signifies... A new month. Every month of the Hebrew Calendar starts with a New Moon day. The shofars are sounded, and a great feast is given to Yahuwah.
Rosh Chodesh, the head of the month, plays a big role in the Jewish calendar, where the lunar cycle is front and center.
The etymology of month comes from the word moon. It takes the moon to orbit the earth from New Moon to New Moon 29.5 days, or 1/12th of a year. A month used to be called a 'moonth', which referred to a lunar cycle which is approximately 30 days.
@@roypage Hi Roy, In additional. As we know, the Hebrew Month starts with a new moon. Even on their printed calendars is printed on the 1st ( for the month of Av) "Rosh Chodesh Av" last Wed. So this Wed plus the following three Weds are Sabbath Days. These are the Biblical Sabbaths of the Creator.
@@bibleortraditions I am not convinced.
Why not new month. The word for moon is yar each, not chodesh.
There is much more to this then he could ever wrap his mind around. Mark 2:27
Amen to Mark 2v27.
we weren't commanded to keep a Sabbath until Exodus and start at Exo 16:1 16:4-5 As well as 16:22-26
In Genesis 26v5 Abraham had commandments, statutes, and laws. Can you prove one on thSe was not tha sabbath. The Sabbath was made for man, Mark 2v27. Was anyone ever commanded not to keep? God bless you.
@@roypage you wouldn't understand because these laws statutes and commandments weren't given to you secondly we weren't commanded a sabbath until exodus.. the celestial are the indication of time seasons and feast days those signs predate your calendar... Now am I to follow what you say man or what the bible say?
@@nicholasslade5498 When the Sabbath day was made there was only Adam and Eve on the earth. So it was made for them.
BCV show me where Abraham kept a sabbath or was commanded to ? you can't you lack the understanding
@@nicholasslade5498 maybe you can prove that Abraham didn't keep the Sabbath ? He had commandments statutes and laws, and even paid tithe. God bless you.
I hope everyone may take this video and test to see if all these things are true or not. For instance the focus on Joshua 5 and saying that they ate fresh produce of the land on the 15th of the month... Not sure what translation is being used as that does make a difference but the Bible does say it was not fresh produce but the old corn and that on the 16th the manna stopped and they ate the fresh produce of the land...
Joshua 5:11 “And they did eat of the old corn of the land on the MORROW AFTER THE PASSOVER, unleavened cakes, and parched corn in the selfsame day.”...
Now also not all 7th Day Sabbath keepers believe that the moon was created on the 4th day of creation either. The BIble says in Genesis 1:14 “And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night;
This first part sets the subject for everything else that comes. And the moon does not divide anything but is in the daytime sky equally every month as it is in the night time sky...
Food for thought. One thing for sure is that everyone should be able to prove what day the Sabbath is from the Bible alone and not from outside sources. This is something no Saturday keeper has ever been able to do...
You seem to be reading the KJV. The New KJV, RSV and NAS all translate produce. Brown Driver Briggs Lexicon describes it as "produce, yield", and the theological wordbook of the Old Testament mentions "old corn, produce, and harvest". The exact meaning is not certain. Also if you read Leviticus 23:10-14, it lists "you shall eat neither bread, nor roasted grain nor new growth" until they had brought the offering from the harvest. They ate these in Joshua 5:11.
The Jews have kept seventh day Sabbath for centuries until Jesus, and since. Why should they now be keeping the wrong day? God bless you.
@@roypage Yes I use the KJB for a reason, it for me is the only Bible that does not violate these rules
I. Every word must have its proper bearing on the subject presented in the Bible. Proof; Matt. 5.18. [see also Rev. 22:18, 19. Matt. 4:4. Deut. 4:2. Prov. 30:5, 6. Rom. 15:4. I Cor. 10:11, 12].
II. All Scripture is necessary, and may be understood by a diligent application and study. Proof; 2 Tim. 3:15-17. [see also Heb. 11:6. Jer. 29:10-14; 33:3. Isa. 55:6, 7].
III. Nothing revealed in Scripture can or will be hid from those who ask in faith, not wavering. Proof; Deut. 29:29. Matt. 10:26, 27. 1 Cor. 2:10. Phil. 3:15. Isa. 45:11. Matt. 21:22. John 14:13, 14; 15:7. James 1:5, 6. 1 John 5:13-15.
IV. To understand doctrine, bring all the Scriptures together on the subject you wish to know; then let every word have its proper influence; and if you can form your theory without a contradiction, you cannot be in error. Proof; Isa. 28:7-29; 35:8. Prov. 19:27. Luke 24:27, 44, 45. Rom. 16:26. Jms. 5:19. 2 Pet. 1:19, 20. [see also John 7:16, 17].
V. Scripture must be its own expositor, since it is a rule of itself. If I depend on a teacher to expound to me, and he should guess at its meaning, or desire to have it so on account of his sectarian creed, or to be thought wise, then his guessing, desire, creed or wisdom, is my rule, and not the Bible. Proof; Ps. 19:7-11; 119:97-105. Mat. 23:8-10. 1 Cor. 2:12-16. Ezk. 34:18, 19. Luke 11:52. Matt. 2:7, 8. [see also Jer. 17:5-7. I Jn. 4:1; Jn. 7:24. I Thess. 5:19-21; II Thess. 2:1-13. Mt. 24:4,5, 23,24. Isa. 8:20].
VI. God has revealed things to come, by visions, in figures and parables; and in this way the same things are oftentimes revealed again and again, by different visions, or in different figures and parables. If you wish to understand them, you must combine them all in one. Proof; Ps. 89:19. Hos. 12:10. Hab. 2:2. Acts 2:17. 1 Cor. 10:6. Heb. 9:9, 24. Ps. 68:2. Matt. 13:13, 34. Gen. 41:1-32. Dan. 2, 7 and 8. Acts 10:9-16.
VII. Visions are always mentioned as such. 2 Cor. 12:1.
VIII. Figures always have a figurative meaning, and are used much in prophecy to represent future things, times and events,- such as mountains, meaning governments, Dan. 2:35, 44; beasts, meaning kingdoms, Dan. 7:8, 17; waters, meaning people, Rev. 17:1, 15; day, meaning year, etc., Ezk. 4:6. [see also Num. 14:34].
IX. Parables are used as comparisons to illustrate subjects, and must be explained in the same way as figures, by the subject and Bible. Mark 4:13.
X. Figures sometimes have two or more different significations, as day is used in a figurative sense to represent three different periods of time, namely, first, indefinite, Eccles. 7:14; second, definite, a day for a year, Ezk. 4:6, and third a day for a thousand years, I Pet. 3:8. The right construction will harmonize with the Bible, and make good sense; other constructions will not.
XI. If a word makes good sense as it stands, and does no violence to the simple laws of nature, it is to be understood literally; if not, figuratively. Rev. 12:1, 2; 17:3-7.
XII. To learn the meaning of a figure, trace the word through your Bible, and when you find it explained, substitute the explanation for the word used; and, if it makes good sense, you need not look further; if not, look again.
XIII. To know whether we have the true historical event for the fulfillment of a prophecy; If you find every word of the prophecy (after the figures are understood) is literally fulfilled, then you may know that your history is the true event; but if one word lacks a fulfillment then you must look for another event, or wait its future development; for God takes care that history and prophecy shall agree, so that the true believing children of God may never be ashamed. Ps. 22:5. Isa. 45:17-19. I Pet. 2:6. Rev. 17:17. Acts 3:18.
XIV. The most important rule of all is, that you must have faith. It must be a faith that requires a sacrifice, and if tried, would give up the dearest object on earth, the world and all its desires,-character, living, occupation, family, home, comfort, and worldly honors. If any of them should hinder our believing any part of God’s word, it would show our faith to be vain. Nor can we ever believe so long as any of these motives lies lurking in our hearts. We must believe that God will never forfeit His Word; and we can have confidence that He who takes notice of the sparrow’s fall, and numbers the hairs of our head, will guard the translation of His own word, and throw a barrier around it, and prevent those who sincerely trust in God, and put implicit confidence in His word, from erring far from the truth, though they may not understand Hebrew or Greek. [Heb.11:6. Rom.14:23. Jms.2:26. Jn.7:16,17. Mt.7:21].
@@matthewbergsma7647 Unfortunately the KJV which I stuck to for 19 years is not a perfect translation. I have done a video about 2 Thessalonians 2:7 which will demonstrate this very well. ua-cam.com/video/aJOXYmzEEcU/v-deo.html
God bless you.
@@roypage Well I am a Christian and not a dictrinarian... Thus I believe that the King James Bible is correct and not your private interpretation. The Bible says in 2 Peter 1:20
“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.”
Any translation firstly that says we can be slaves to Christ we should know is not the Word of God because Jesus came to set us free. Any once saved always saved translations which incudes the NKJV also is not inspired as it goes against the tenor of the entire Bible.
And whenever we don't understand something, it is not necessarily the BIble that is incorrect but it is usually us, myself included. God does not always give answers right away and sometimes it takes years, but one thing is for sure when the answer comes it never destroys the Bible.
@@matthewbergsma7647 2 Peter 1:20 should read "not of its own interpretation" as Paul said, we prophesy in part, 1 Corinthians 13:9. Scripture must be rightly divided, and ther prophesies must be put with it. If you wish to stick only to the KJV you are free to do it, but no translation can claim to be inspired by God.
Let’s not Judge them, That's Pharisee speak. Jon tells us they ARE our Brothers. I can see there willingness to NOT trust Man.
I did how ever realize while looking into this matter, that I need to look into How I need to observe the New Moons!
Blessings Sir!
Of course, we are not their judge, but I do want them to learn the truth and forsake error. God bless you.
@roypage YAH bless you Sir. It's a TORAH thing. It's not something that can be forced "Stone" it's Only counts when it's done with "Heart"... maybe you helped plant a seed. And thell grow into the Adoms they are meant to be.
Shalom Brother, it's in YAHs hands now.
@@6969smurfy AMEN, God bless you.
You are a liar
the new moon days may not be counted in the month, but they may be the time during which the observations are made. When the moon with specific phase is detected, the NEXT day begins the month i.e. is the 1st day of the month. Sabbath is the 7th day of the month, and so on. 28th is the last day of the month. This is the lunisolar calendar.
So if jesus died on 14th Nissan and 15th was a weekly Sabbath, and he was risen by the morning of the 16th, how does that fit with the 3 days and 3 nights of Matthew 12v40?
@@roypage Not sure where you pull out 24th, that is nonsense. Maybe you mean 14th. Jesus was roused 'on the third day' as is written in the Bible.
Let's take an analogy here: If you start in a new job on monday, what would be your first day at work? (hint: it would be monday). Obviously the second day at work would be tuesday. Then if you go to say I had a meeting with the boss on the third day, what day would it be? (hint: it would be wednesday). Now, there are only 2 nights between the monday and wednesday i.e. only 2 nights until the third day.
@@fakadaapada sorry, yes.i meant 14th. God bless you.
torah clearly sets forth rules of shabbat too like no leaving your dwellings on that day so how did they march 7 days in a row without breaking shabbat? Other sources say that they started the march on the 1st day of the second month.if that's the case then new moon day is day 1 of the month followed by the next 6 working days of the week which makes 7 days marching with the next day resting on the sabbath. Yericho is based on the Hebrew word for month which is pronounced Ya-ray-akh and those people were moon worshippers. what better time to begin to destroy their idolatry than on the new moon day and then rest on YHVH's Sabbath
See my video linked in the description. God bless you.
@@roypage which one?
The prob here with you is you have not shown HOW to keep new moon sir.
That is because I am not convinced that we should. The word translated new moon in Hebrew is 'chodesh' which is the word for month, nor moon. God bless you.
Pardon me, but you tell others to be careful not to do something, and then you turn around and do it yourself. You are interjecting your opinion. You state the weeks are a continuous series of seven days, including a Sabbath, which runs one right after another without ceasing. Where in the Bible do you find this statement? You simply cannot be basing it on “you shall work for 6 days and the 7th is a Sabbath”, because this would require a vast amount of conjecture… off the chart! So please provide a Book, chapter and verse for your statement. By the way, are you folks 7th day Adventists?
God set it up in the beginning, Ecclesiastes 3;14, Isaiah 40:8., Exodus 20:8-10, Deuteronomy 5;12-14, Matthew 5:18-19. I am part of Logos Apostolic church of God not SdA.
@@roypage I am happy to hear you are not SDA. Those people are as hard-headed as any JW. They have Ellen G White as their latter-day prophet, and they protect it like a rabid dog with a bone.
OK… the verses you referenced do not uphold the claim that the weekly Sabbath started at creation, and then continued one after another in a never pausing line of succession. The one inherent problem with this opinion, how did the thousands of encampments of Hebrews over centuries upon centuries of time, stay true to the actual Sabbath day? One slight hiccup… one slight calendar correction… one encampment fighting with another... and it’s all corrupted without possibility of fixing. This poses a serious problem.
I believe so many discount the Creator’s Calendar because they don’t fully understand it. It is based on Scripture. It is referenced 100x in the Bible. There are the 12 Hebrew months: Tishri, Cheshvan, Kislev, Tevet, Shevat, Adar, Nisan, Iyar, Sivan, Tammuz, Av, and Elul. (It uses intercalary months every couple of years to bring the Calendar back in phase, but it changes nothing. It just adds 1 more complete month)
The 1st of each and every month is a special day unto Yahuwah. It has all the benefits of rest and worship, but a little bit more. The Temple gates are open, it is a day of rest and non-commerce, and it is a day of worship, reflection, and thanksgiving. However, it’s a little more special. Instead of just two lambs sacrificed, Yahuwah required two young bulls, plus one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish. (Numbers 28:11-15) A goat sin offering was required as well. The day called for the blowing of the shofar over the sacrificial offering. (Numbers 10:10; Neh 10:31; 1 Sam 2:5).
Each and every month works the same way. It starts with the 1st day of the month, the New Moon day mentioned above. Then 7 days are counted from day 2 to the 1st Sabbath of the month, on the 8th day of the month, another 7 days to the 15th of the month. Another 7 to the 22nd, and another 7 to the 29th. Thus the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th of each HEBREW month are Sabbath days. This does not work with the pagan Gregorian calendar. In the Creator's Calendar, there are never more than 6 days working without a day of rest. *Each month contains 5 days of rest*
So basically, I could be captured by my enemy, knocked unconscious for a period of days, shoved in a hole for a year, and later released in the desert. Using the consecutive non-ceasing scenario, I would never find the Sabbath. However, using the Creator’s Calendar, I could find the exact days with a couple of weeks.
Thousands of encampments, and there was never a squabble as to the Sabbath day? They all kept 100% accurate records? And where are these records? Certainly they would be carved in stone or printed on hundreds of scrolls. This is a valid question. 3,000 years, and no one is keeping records? See... with the Creator's Calendar, no one has to keep records. The signs are in the heavens.
Satan hates the Sabbath. He hates anything that gives Yahuwah worship. This is why he used the pagan Roman empire of Constantine and his son, to change the calendars… the times and seasons (Daniel 7:25). Hillel II set Satyrday as the weekly Sabbath for the Jews; they had no choice. Then Satan added on to the confusion by adding the calendar of Pope Gregory XIII (top 3 genocidal popes) developed by the Jesuits (enough said).
So now we are left with blankets of confusion masking over the true Sabbath of the Creator. It should be concerning when Pope Francis I, the first and only pope from the Jesuit Order, came out and said Satyrday is the Sabbath. Bells and whistles should be blowing in every Christian’s ear. 🙏
I forgot to ref your verses:
Ecclesiastes 3:14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.
Isaiah 40:8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
Exodus 20:8-10 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Deuteronomy 5;12-14 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee. Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God:
Matthew 5:18-19 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandment...
Tell me brother. When a child is born, eight days later he was to be circumcised. So if a child was born on the first day of the month. He would be circumcised on the sabbath John 7:22-23. All these scriptures your given actually prove this doctrine brother. The Passover is ALWAYS the sixth day of the week. The 14th is the Passover brother and the sabbath is the 15th. Did you seriously just say the sabbath was on the 14th?
Yes, circumcision could be done on the Sabbath, John 7:22-23. The Sabbath would fall on the 14th of Nisan about once every 7 years, but the 15th was always a special feast day Sabbath. God bless you.
@@roypage not one scripture in the whole bible ever says that the sabbath fell on any day besides the seventh. Nor does it say that the new moon ever fell on a sabbath as many claim it does from time to time. Ezekiel 46:1, and Amos 8:5 are clear that the day of the new moon is not a working day. To say otherwise takes away from the prophecy of this book which Messiah warned of Revelation 22:18-19. So how can the count of the six working days start on the day of the new moon when it’s not affiliated with the six working days according to Ezekiel and Amos? Y’all better wake up and come from under Rome. Yah put his calendar where Satan couldn’t use any man to corrupt. What if Sunday law doesn’t pass before probation closes on the church first? Many will find themselves thrust out wanting. Better read 2 Thessalonians 2 again. Also Luke 13:24-27. Matthew 7:13,14,21-23.
@@bradleymoore862Thank you for your comment. I would be interested to know what scripture reference you use for a new moon day not being a work day please. Thanks.
Exodus 16:1 is the 15th day of 2nd month
on the 15th day of the 2nd Month is when Moses said next 6 days is mannah but none on the 7th day the 22nd day of 2nd month
Joshua 5:11-13 is the last 3 days the Jews eat Mannah till the mannah stoped and no more mannah was to fall onto the earth till this day
and they had to eat fruit of the land as in Joshua 5:12 and no more mannah fell from that day
do we see Mannah fall from Heaven today no it ended Joshua 5:12
Amen. It looks ok.
'Yom echad', “day one”, (Gen 1:5) should not be read as though it were the “first day”, as the use of 'yom echad' elsewhere in Genesis demonstrate (Genesis 27:45, Genesis 33:13, 1 Samuel 27:1, Isiah 9:13, Jonah 3:4).
Rabbi Umberto Cassuto’s explanation is worthy of note:
“There was only 'day one' for the second had not yet been created? Why would the writer of Genesis have avoided the use of “yom rishon (first day)” in this chapter of Genesis?”
Cassuto says there are two possible solutions…
1st:
The grammatical construction of Genesis 1 allows potentially for the two “first days” at the beginning of the chapter. The day that begins in verse 3 “and there was light” - and the day that may appear to begin in verse 1 “bereshit”, in the beginning. In this conception of the narrative of chapter 1, the author of Genesis may have wanted to avoid the idea that the day that begins in verse 3 was actually “yom rishon (the first day)”.
He may have wanted to reserve the notion of “the first day” for the day that begins with “bereshit”, in the beginning, in verse 1. Thus 'yom echad' was used to avoid the misconception. In the same way the author does not say “nahar ha rishon (the first river)” in Genesis 2:11, but rather “ha echad (one river)”, because the first river is that divides into four heads.
2nd:
A second possible reason for avoiding the mention of a “first day” is that throughout the Torah the expression “yom rishon” is used to denote the ‘first day” of a special feast, a day in which there is to be no work (example: Exodus 12:16, Leviticus 23:7, 35, 39, Numbers 28:18). The use of “yom echad” may have been intended to avoid a possible objection to the work of YHWY on one such “yom rishon” in chapter 1. So this “yom rishon (the first day)” that preceded “yom echad (day one)”, had to be a special feast of no work in the hebrew languages explanation often overlooked in the English translations.
We can determine that yom rishon, a special feast, is new moon day in the beginning of the creation account, and yom echad (day one) is day one of the work week.
The day of the new moon is always outside of the work week.
Ezekiel 46 and Amos 8 tell us that new moon day CANNOT be on any of the 6 work days. It also tells us new moon day CANNOT be on the 7th day sabbath.
This means that new moon day is a 3rd category of day, outside of the week, for G-d commanded new moon day to be the very beginning of every month, then after new moon day the 6 days of work can start followed by a 7th day sabbath. This pattern continues until the new new moon day at conjunction, where the week becomes reset with the new month.
Our modern Western understanding is incompatible with ancient Hebrew. We count: 0, 1, 2, 3. The Hebrews counted: 'First', 1, 2, 3...
Understanding this, we know conclusively that the first day in Genesis 1:3 had a day before it.
It's called the new moon day, the first day.
Hebrew and all other ancient cultures did not have the number zero as there is today. In ancient Hebrew, "first" (Rosh in Hebrew) was the zero placeholder. It was a number separate from "one".
Throughout the Bible, the new moon day is called "Rosh" Chodesh. Rosh means "the first" in Hebrew, the number that comes before "echad" (one) or "yom echad" (day one) in Genesis 1:3.
The new moon is also called the "head" of the month. The word "head" is also "rosh" in Hebrew, meaning "first."
The Hebrew language literally teaches us that the 'FIRST' day (new moon day in Genesis 1:1) comes BEFORE "day one" (which does not occur until Genesis 1:3).
'First' is an ordinal number. It is used for arranging in Hebrew.
'One' is a cardinal number. Cardinal numbers are used for grouping.
A week is a group of 7 days. This grouping can only be tracked once the order day, the new moon day, has taken place.
The new moon day is ordinal in context since "first" (Gen.1:1) is an ordinal in numbering. According to Scripture, the new moon day is the day of order.
What is he ordering?
The days of the month, specifically the GROUPINGS (cardinal numbers) of the week that come after the new moon day.
In Hebrew, echad (one) is always associated with the First (Rosh), but Rosh must proceed (echad come after). Echad never precedes Rosh (Rosh comes during or before).
TWO FIRST DAYD IS contrary to scripture.as Exodus 20v11 says, For in 6 days God made the heaven and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them. Please don't try to contradict scripture with theories. There are no 2 first days.
@@roypage As I already explained asah is not the same as bara. For in 6 days he prepared or fashioned (asah), what He has created (bara) in the beginning. Just like the bed is made daily, but only produced once before. The 6 days mentioned refer to the 6 working days.
@@benaiah786 So which days did he create on?
@@roypage For those who believe the sun and the moon were created on day four, here is something to consider. The word appointed in Psalm 104:19 is the same word in Genesis 1:14 where it states that Elohim
"made two great lights."
The word made, could have been translated as appointed just as easily. The question is this: when did He appoint the moon for seasons?
Was it not in Genesis 1:14 where it says that He made or appointed the great lights for seasons?
When you make someone a captain of a team, or appoint them captain, it means that they were already there standing, waiting for you to appoint them.
Remember, you had evening and morning three times before day four.
You also had light, green organisms, night and day, creation of heaven and earth, etc. before He made or appointed the sun and moon to rule day and night.
Where do you think the heavenly bodies were before He appointed them?
A noted Hebrew scholar (Rashi) would agree that they were already in existence
The luminaries, which had been created on the first day, were set in place on the fourth.
There is no evidence to support the theory that the great lights were created, brand new, on day four, but rather they were appointed on the fourth day or advanced upon for His calendar.
Even if someone insists that the sun and moon were created on day four they would still be there in plenty of time to do what they were created, made, and appointed to do, and that is to be a beacon for YHVH’s appointments, including the weekly appointment.
What gives us the right to say that the lights in the heavens beacon all of YHVH's appointments except His weekly appointment?
I had to go to a dictionary and make sure proof meant what I thought it meant over the course of the last 56 years.
I suggest you check how the linar Sabbath teaching agrees with 3 days and three nights in Matthew 12v40.
Leviticus 23:4 says: "‘These [are] appointed seasons (MOED, H4150) of Jehovah, holy convocations, which ye proclaim in their appointed seasons: " and text gives a list of holy days and festivals including Passover.
Psalm 104:19 says: "He made the moon (YAREACH, H3394) for appointed times (MOED, H4150)"
There it is, clearly stating the moon is related to moeds i.e. festivals like Passover etc.
I suggest you study how many appointed times were nothing to do with the moon. God bless you.
www.logosapostolic.org/hebrew-word-studies/4150-moed-meeting.htm
@@roypage so you are saying some appointed times are connected to the moon ?
@@fakadaapada Some may be but not all, unless you think every meeting at the tabernacle in the wilderness had to be according to the moon. I obviously do not believe that. God bless you.
@@roypage Aren't the appointed times always at fixed dates in that particular month? If they are connected to the moon, it means a month is connected to the moon.
@@fakadaapada no. Sabbaths are always the seventh day with no days missed out. God bless you.
In an excerpt from the Book of Jubilees, chapter 6, verses 32-34, we read:
Quotation territories now to the Israelites,
to keep the years according to this number, 364 days;
this is a full year!
They shall not confound his time by his days and his feasts;
for all things shall be according to their testimony.
They shall not leave out a day, neither shall they shift a feast.
33
But do they not observe these things,
and do not keep those according to His command,
then they will confuse all their seasons,
and the years will be brought out of their order
(and they will confuse their seasons
and the years will be brought into disorder),
and they will disregard their ordinances.
34
And all the Israelites will forget the course of the years
and will no longer find it;
likewise they shall forget the new moon, and the seasons, and the sabbath day
And shall err in all the ordinances of the year.
S.: Book of Jubilees or Little Genesis
The author of the Jubilee Book makes it explicitly clear that he considers the sun to be the only calendrical sign in the sky. He then makes a strange polemic against the calendar with years based on the moon - that if Israel were to follow such a calendar, it would change not only the years, but also the months, the Sabbaths, and the feasts.
It is historically documented that at the time the book was written in the late second century, the practices it condemns here were those that were normative in Judaism. The calendar was indeed lunar-based, as described in the Torah and applied ever since. In other words, this author is a critic and dissident of the normative Judaism of his time.
Accordingly, the author conveys his doctrinaire view through alleged commands not to do things that are in fact being done as he writes - i.e., following a lunar calendar. The most interesting thing about this polemic, however, is the claim that the change from a solar year and months to lunar ... would also affect the Sabbath!
It is clear here that the calendar Israel follows has lunar months, lunar years, lunar feast days, and Sabbaths. If the Sabbath were understood by normative Judaism as an endless cycle of Sabbaths based on a solar count, there would be no need for this writer to invent divine warnings to change the Sabbath by following lunar months and years.
One can understand how solar and lunar months would be reflected in different months and years, and even how this might change the feasts on certain days of certain months, but how could it also change the Sabbath?
The answer is simple:
In the second century, normative Judaism followed a calendar anchored entirely to the moon - including Sabbath days.
I don't accept the book of Jubilees as scripture and no lunar Sabbath observer has yet given a sensible answer to Jesus 3 days and three nights in Matthew 12v40. Their timeline denies the words of Jesus.
@@benaiah786 Why not brother, it's a biblical miracle.
@@roypage All of Jesus' Aramaic speeches, recorded in the New Testament, were translated into Greek.
take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: Mt.17:27b
This figurative expression means that you will easily catch a fish and sell it for a shekel.
An Oriental also often says, "There are ten dollars in the horn of my ox," meaning that he can sell the ox for ten dollars. “There is a dollar in each of my lambs” means something like: “Selling the animals earns me a dollar per lamb.”
The tax collector demanded that Jesus and Peter pay the poll tax. However, since neither had any money, the only thing Peter could do was go to the lake to try to catch fish. Jesus told him to do this and at the same time assured him that the first catch would be worth one shekel, meaning that he would raise enough money for the tax demanded of both of them. The fish was therefore either sold or given to the official. If local families in the Orient do not have cash, they give the tax collector room and board in lieu of payment. Sometimes they also deliver goods in kind, e.g. butter or cheese, in the appropriate monetary value according to the principle of barter. Since the lower-ranking officials in the villages often collect taxes on their own initiative, i.e. without the knowledge of the state government, they are happy with whatever they can extract from the people.
This sober, prosaic explanation of the customary Aramaic language is in no way intended to cast doubt on Jesus' power to work miracles. He brought the dead back to life and performed great deeds for the benefit of others. For His own benefit, however, He never used His divine power.
@@benaiah786 you are adding to Jesus' words here, which is very dangerous to do. Why don't you just accept what he said?
@@roypage Idioms must never be taken literally.
Otherwise your faith must be able to literally move mountains
Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. Mt.21:21
you also have to believe the words that the dead bury their dead
And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead. Mt.8:21-22
or to believe that a camel can fit through the eye of a needle
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of G-d. Mt.19:24
The weekly Saturday/sabbath is the day of Saturn . Wednesday is the sabbath where God said Remember. Because He knows the sabbath would be forgotten. Due to their working life . do u think the Saturday sabbath would be blessed on a day where the Romans Catholics do sacrifices??? God said u shall have no other gods beside me .
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New moon means new month . which is a day of worship. The day after is 1st week of work then rest on the seventh. Which is day 8 according to His calendar
How do you get Wednesday Sabbath from scripture? Do you have scripture references?
genesis 1;14 please explain
The sun rules the day and the moon the night. The rest is open to interpretation. God bless you.
While the possibility does exist that the phrase "heart of the earth" does have the meaning of grave, and the three days and three nights are to be counted as 72 hours, the probability of it meaning this is far from certain. The main point though is that there is conclusive evidence from Scripture that our Messiah could not have been in the grave for a period of 72 hours.
Here are the reasons in a "nutshell.
1. An unbiased reading of each of the four gospels does not yield two differing Sabbaths in the crucifixion week, but rather one Sabbath on the 15th day of the month. Passages such as Mark 15:42 which read, “Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath” show that Messiah was killed on the day before the weekly Sabbath, seeing that the day before the weekly Sabbath was technically termed preparation day during that time in history. The first mention of the Preparation Day occurs at the same time that the Sabbath was re-taught to the children of Israel in Exodus G-d commands the Israelites to gather their food for the Sabbath on the sixth day, so there would be as few distractions on the seventh day as possible.
2. There are seven places in the gospels where the Savior himself states that He would rise on the third day. Never, does he state that he would rise on the fourth day. Had he been in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights, He would have had to rise on the fourth day.
3. The 72 hour hypothesis yields a Sabbath on the 17th day of Abib, which is impossibility seeing that if the 17th was a Sabbath then the 10th of Abib would have to be a Sabbath too. John 12:1 says that six days before the Passover, the Messiah came to Bethany. Six days before Passover would be the ninth of Abib. John 12:12 then says that the next day, the 10th, He came to Jerusalem. This 10th of Abib was the day in which the Passover Lamb was to be put up (Exodus 12:3; He being the lamb of YHVH) and a busy workday for the Israelites. If this were a Sabbath day, the Savior would have broken the Sabbath because He made a donkey work by riding it, and people were cutting down palm branches. He also healed a man on this same 10th of Abib and the people proclaimed what a wonderful work instead of accusing Him, as usual, for healing on the Sabbath. Please see Luke 19:35-45 and Matthew 21:2-15.
4. The men on the Road to Emmaus (Luke 24:17-21) in talking to the Messiah, had Him tell them that the day they were talking in was the third day since the crucifixion (Luke 24:21). If the Messiah had been in the tomb for 72 hours, there is no way possible for it to have been the third day since the crucifixion.
5. The first fruit wave sheaf offering of barley was always waved on the 16th day of Abib (LXX - Leviticus 23:11). Our Messiah is called the first fruits of them that sleep in 1 Corinthians 15:20-23. The Apostle Paul also stated in the same chapter (1 Corinthians 15:3-4) that the Messiah was buried and rose the third day according to the Scriptures. If He really did rise according to the Scriptures on the third day, the only sequence that fits the typology of YHVH’s festivals is the 14, 15, 16 sequence during the month of Abib. Nowhere is there a 72-hour first fruit wave sheaf.
Your assumptions is that there is no feast day Sabbath separate to the weekly Sabbath, and 3 days and three nights proves there is.
@@roypage There is just too much evidence in Scripture disproving a 72 hour entombment. Therefore the phrase heart of the earth in Matthew 12:40 just cannot be referring to merely the grave or tomb. In fact, it does not even say grave or tomb, but instead, heart of the earth. If people would just realize this, it would make it much easier for them to let go of this belief.
@@benaiah786 where is the much evidence that disprove Jesus's words please? And only scripture.
@@roypage Was the Messiah speaking plainly in Matthew 12:40, or could He possibly have been speaking figuratively? Does the fact that He often spoke in parables show forth evidence that it is at least a possibility of figurative speech in Matthew 12:40? Yes, it certainly is.
The period of 3 days and 3 nights may definitely include the period of the Messiah’s entombment; it may not however, be the only place this time period includes.
The experience of Jonah provided the basis for a proverbial saying: people who were caught in a perplexing situation would say they were “in the whale’s belly. Was Jesus stuck in a similar situation in Jerusalem for three days and three nights? Yes indeed.
@@benaiah786 You are just arguing yourself out of the truth by saying it is figurative. You think it is figurative because if literal it proves your doctrine false.
@Ronald Maina New moon is s mis-translation according to Strongs. It can mean new month as well. And moon is a different Hebrew word altogether in Strong's. (Yerach / yerah)
Praise God Chris I agree entirely it does not mean new moon. Greek in the septuagint and new testament is new month too. I hope to do a video about it soon so please pray for me to do it good. God bless you.
New Moon and new month "can be the same" because they ARE the same. The new lunar month always begins with the new moon. Similarly, one moon and one month are exactly the same.
@@familyshare3724 Unfortunately the words translated new moon, in both Hebrew and Greek, fo not contain the word for moon. God bless you.
Etymology of "month" is "moon". It was called "moonth", and then shortened.
If The most high created heaven and earth first he created the moon on the first day so that being said how can you go off the moon when he created the moon and stuff on the first day
What if you count the new moon day as the first day and not a separate special day would it work then?
No, because you would still have to miss out one or 2 days every month, and you could not get a 7 week plus a day coming to 50 days to pentecost. Also Nisan 14th, the passover, would always be a Sabbath day, which it obviously wasn't. God bless you.
@@roypagethis is not true. double new moon days are biblical too!
@@lemons1936 Where? Please give me scriptures. God bless.
@@roypage I would start with 1 Samuel 20:27, and study from there.
@@lemons1936 That des not say anything about a double new moon day. How do you know they didn't eat at the king's table every day?
If you could number the days from the creation every day whose day number is divisible by seven would be a Sabbath.
I would agree with that. Thank you and God bless you.
When you cut off the new moon day from the seven day week.
@@benaiah786 what about my previous question? If christ died on the 14th of Nisan and the 15th was a weekly Sabbath when did he resurrect?
@@roypage I have already commented on this elsewhere.
The offering of the wafe sheaf is closely related to Passover, the Feast of Unleavened Bread and the Resurrection of the Messiah
In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover.
And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
And he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it. Lev.23:5-6 .11
The symbolism is very powerful. Just as the first omer of barley was offered as the firstfruits of the entire harvest, so too the resurrection of the Messiah was a firstfruits from the dead. Paul refers to this image with the words
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 1 Cor.15:20
The first sheaf of the harvest as a wave offering represents the raising of the Messiah from the dead. The preordained day of the barley sheaf harvest (Omer) always coincides in the lunisolar calendar with the resurrection of the Messiah.
Both Philo and Josephus agree that the wave offering was made three days after the Passover, that is, on day 16/month. Josephus, himself a member of the priesthood in the temple, reports in Jewish Antiquities
":On the second day of Unleavened Bread, which was the sixteenth day of the month [Abib], they partake of the fruits of the earth for the first time, for before that day they do not touch them.... They likewise, in partaking of the first fruits of the earth, offer a lamb as a burnt offering to G-d."
Similarly, Philo, another first-century Jewish eyewitness, reports
"There is also a feast on the day of the Passover, which follows after the First Day, and this has the name sheaf [Omer], because of what occurs on that day; for the sheaf is brought to the altar as a firstfruits..."
Source: Philo, Apologia pro Judaeis
Quite differently, however, if one assumes a calendar with uninterrupted weekly cycle and assumes as date for the wafe sheaf offering elsewhere during the days of the unleavened bread. There the distance between the 15th day and the day after the Sabbath can be already several days.
@@benaiah786 I am sorry I have t seen it to my knowledge.
I absolutely agree about the Seventh Day Sabbath of the scriptures, however, the true Sabbath of the scriptures looks like this in the first(1st) lunar month below in calendar format from evidence found in the scriptures, and their are many scriptures to prove this throughout the lunar months .
1st day of month(New Moon Day=Isaiah 66:23; Col.2:16; Ezekiel 46:1) 2 3 4 5 6 7(six workdays) 8th( Sabbath Day) 9 10 11 12 13 14th(six workdays=Passover=Lev. 23:5; John 19:14, 42) 15th(Sabbath Day=Lev. 23:6; Numb.28:17; Numb.33:3; Deut.5:12-15; John 19:31;Luke 23:56) 16th day=(first day of the week=Matthew 28:1; Mark 16;2; Luke 24:1;John 20:1) 17 18 19 20 21st(end of unleavened bread=Exodus 12:18=six work days) 22nd(Sabbath) 23 24 25 26 27 28(six work days) 29th(Sabbath) then at the New moon 1st of the second month it repeats again.
You need to look at the Hebrew and Greek words translated new moon. They do not contain the word for moon.
@@roypage Strong's H2320 - chodesh
חֹדֶשׁ From חָדַשׁ (H2318)1. the new moon, month, monthly 2. the first day of the month 3.the lunar month
חֹדֶשׁ chôdesh, kho'-desh; from H2318; the new moon; by implication, a month:-month(-ly), new moon.
The English word "month" comes from the word "moon" and because you deny it doesn't mean it's not true.
@@guylainecollett7943 chodesh means month, the word for moon is yareakh
@@roypage Chodesh is referring to the 1st day of the lunar month, and the reason I gave this is because I already know beforehand where your headed with your ideas. Here is Gesenius's Lexicon entry regarding "H2320 The new moon, the day of the new moon, the calends of a lunar month which was a festival of the ancient Hebrews.
Here are the meanings of Strong's H3394 - yareach
יָרֵחַ From the same as יֶרַח (H3391) moon יָרֵחַ yârêach, yaw-ray'-akh; from the same as H3391; the moon:-moon. Yrechow. See H3405. Strong's H3391 - yerach
יֶרַח month (lunar cycle), 1.moon 1.month 2.calendar month
Also, in your presentation you left out Leviticus 23:1-4 where these texts use the Hebrew word number H4150. Lev.23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts H4150 of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts. H4150
Lev.23:3. Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
Lev.23:4. These are the feasts H4150 of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. H4150.
The seventh day Sabbath is the very first listed H4150 of YHWH, and Psalms 104:19 says He/YHWH appointed H6213 the moon H3394 for seasons: H4150 the sun H8121 knoweth H3045 his going down. H3996
It's very clear that the moon determines all of YHWH'S H4150.
@@guylainecollett7943 Thank you for your input, but you have not yet realised I am only using scripture. Mans opinions have led many astray. If you cannot fit 3 days and three nights into Friday death and Sunday resurrection your doctrine denies Jesus Christ and is false. How does after 3 days fit? If you cannot explain this I will not be converted by any other argument. God bless you.
Time is nothing else than the movement of the heavenly bodies plus conjunction. If one intends to keep the Sabbath without distinctive mark in heaven that the father of light has given to determine time, he is forced to draw a date line.
Where in the Torah does it say that the creator has given authority to do such a thing?
Examine though for a moment, the situation of Tonga and Samoa. They are both within the same time zone, but on opposite sides of the dateline. When it is Saturday in Tonga, it is Friday in Samoa, yet both are under the same sky, and see the same sunrise and sunset. Who would have the correct Sabbath day?
What if a Tongan Jewish businessman wearing his best Tupenu (a skirt instead of a suit) leaves Tonga Friday afternoon an hour before sunset (which he thinks starts the Sabbath), and arrives in Samoa an hour after suset on Thursday. The next day will be Friday in Samoa, and he conducts his business whilst his synagogue back home in Tonga is having Sabbath. That afternoon, two hours before sunset on Friday in Samoa, he gets on a plane and hops back over to Tonga, landing just after sunset… on Saturday - after his Sabbath! When does this poor chap in the farthest diaspora keep his Sabbath if he never had a „Saturday“?
The problem whith the dateline is that it is set by man, not YHVH. Obviously, He knew the planet was round and that this situation existed, and in His system of days, there must be a setting of the dateline using His beacon the moon. In fact there is.
At any rate, this shows the ridiculousness of drawing a line of demarcation between our days. This is not the way the Creator established time in His Word. The Creation Calendar does not suffer from these problems.
Until the early 1840s the philippine islands were observing the weekly cycle of the spanish america but after their trade significantly increased with china the malay peninsula the dutch east indies in australia the philippine authorities decided to abolish the weekly cycle from spanish america and instead implement the weekly cycle of asia
The history behind these changes of the Dateline will show you the arbitrary nature of the man-made date line. The powers that be say that the International Date Line is NOT arbitrary, but necessary. However, the IDL can be and has been moved by popular vote and by governmental decree. It is therefore an arbitrary, artificial, man-made line to divide the days. And without this man-made line the Gregorian calendar blows up.
Here's how the international date line works:
Let's say you fly from the United States to Japan, and suppose you leave the United States on Tuesday morning. Because you're traveling west, the time advances slowly thanks to time zones and the speed at which your airplane flies. But as soon as you cross the international date line, it's suddenly Wednesday.
On the reverse trip home, you fly from Japan to the United States. You leave Japan on Monday morning, but as you cross the Pacific Ocean, the day gets later quickly as you cross time zones moving eastward. However, as soon as you cross the international date line, the day changes to Sunday.
But let's say in those days you traveled around the entire world like Magellan's crew did. Then you would have to reset your watch every time you entered a new time zone. If you had traveled westward, as they did, when you got all the way around the planet back to your house, you'd find your watch had moved forward 24 hours.
If you had one of those analog watches with a built-in date, it would have moved up one day when you arrived home. The problem is, all your friends who never left could point to their own analog watches - or just to the calendar - and let you know you are wrong: It's the 24th, not the 25th.
The international date line prevents such confusion by having you roll the date back on that analog watch - or, more likely, just in your mind - as you cross its imaginary boundary.
The whole process works the opposite for someone circling the planet eastward.
In 1522, man discovered that a day was lost when Magellan's surviving crewmen sailed westward and circumnavigated the world. In 1884, men agreed on their International Date Line, which G-d did not authorised.
More non biblical examples?
This proves nothing, please use scripture to make your point.
@@roypage I admit not to find any scripture where G-d authorisied man for drawing a line of demarcation between two days.
@@roypage The Samoan Island Government ruled to move the International Dateline to its east has created Samoa's dateline paradox, a seventh-day Sabbath conundrum.
on the 15th day of 2nd month Moses said next 6 days Mannah will fall but none on the 7th Day "22nd day of 2nd month"
Exodus 16
Authorized (King James) Version
1 And they took their journey from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came unto the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departing out of the land of Egypt.
So what does it prove? Using 6 days an then Sabbath continuously Sabbath would fall on 22nd every 7 years. You have to prove that was not the case.
What about the Enoch 364 calendar that was used in The Dead Sea Scrolls?
@@72marie The book of Enoch was not written by the Enoch of Genesis. It is written in Greek, a language which did not exist until after the tower of Babel. God bless you.
Mr Roy please do your research properly before you confuse people. Exodus 16: 25 you mentioned specifically to suit traditional way of thinking. Please go back read Exodus 16 chapter 1 down till to come to verse 25 and tell me on what day did the Israelites came or arrived into the wilderness of Sin??? My bible says it was on the fifteenth they arrived. Now let's do a simple math here shall we. If fifteenth was the Sabbath that means the next day starts the six work days right??? Till you come to the next Sabbath again that's were verse 25 is. So so let's count, 15th( time of arrival on a Sabbath day), 16,17,18,19,20,21,22 ( Sabbath day)
Can see clearly the scripture prove here....the Sabbath day in Exodus 16:25 falls exactly on the 22nd date that verifies the 8th, 15th, 22nd and the 29th
The truth will always be truth!!! Sorry but diception days are over...the idea of the 7 days continuous week cycle is a direct man made substitution.
The seven day cycle was spoken by God in numerous places quoted in the video, and that being so the Sabbath is bound to fall on the 22nd of the month every so often. God bless you.
@@roypage thanks for your feedback. Yes six days work and the seventh day rest but no where in the scriptures from old to new that confirms a continuous cycle. Where do we get this ideology of a continuous weekly cycle??... New moon yes there are many scriptures that edifies on that. However little is known or out of ignorance or traditions of church doctrines that protect their own interests. New moon is an integral part of the Hebrew calenderic system. New moon day is not counted as a six work days . Ezekiel 46:1-2.
In the old new moons and Sabbath were known to be holy convocation times (2 kings 4:23). New moons at the beginning of each month and seventh day Sabbath ending after six work days .
Genesis 1:2 when the spirit moves over the face of the deep, what day was that? That was before light yet...
Something for you to think about. If you understand this you would appreciate why the Creator put in
place new moon day.
How do you tell when a month ends and begins when you have a continuous weekly cycle??
@@Pngtrader The Hebrew word for month is 'chodesh', Strong's 2320, and is translated month 254 times, and 'new moon' 20 times in the KJV. The Hebrew word for moon 'yareach' Strong's 3394 translated moon 26 times out of 26 occurrences. Do you se a problem here? Please check what I have said. God bless you.
The 14th day in Joshua 5:11 could not be a Sabbath and here below is why.
Joshua 1:11 states this..Pass through the host, and command the people, saying, Prepare you victuals/food;(7th day of month) for within three days ye shall pass over this Jordan, to go in to possess the land, which the LORD your God giveth you to possess it.
And Joshua 4:19 tells us this: And the people came up out of Jordan on the tenth day/10th day of the first month, and encamped in Gilgal, in the east border of Jericho.
Here below are these "days" outlined in calendar format, the new moon day, the six workdays, and the Sabbath. See Ezekiel 46:1-4.
New Moon=1st day of the first month 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th=Preparation day=sixth day of the week/Joshua 1:11 8th day of month=Sabbath day 9th 10th/Joshua 4:19 11th 12th 13th 14th=Passover 15th day= both feast of unleavened bread and the seventh day Sabbath
The children of Israel crossed Jordan on the 10th day of the first lunar month Abib, and were commanded three days earlier on the 7th day of the month to do a work of preparation- or to make food. This proves that the "seventh" day of the week was on the 8th day of the first lunar month and was the Sabbath.
These texts also disproves a ""perpetual cycle"", because if the 14th day of the first lunar month was a Sabbath, then so was the 7th day of the first lunar month, preparing food on a Sabbath was and is not permitted, and the scriptures calls this 7th day of the month as a preparation of food-a workday.
Are you aware that the lunar Sabbath doctrine denies the words of Jesus in Matthew 12v40? If you cannot explain that all other arguments are useless. God bless you.
@@roypage Jesus didn't use the words "Tomb" nor "Grave" in Matthew 12:40, and the phrase "heart of the earth" doesn't mean the grave as westerners think, it can also mean "the center of the earth" or at Jerusalem itself.
@@guylainecollett7943 it was the time from his burial to resurrection. From his death to resurrection was "after three days" Mark 8v31. How does that fit your Friday crucifixion? God bless you.
@@roypage I don't use a "Friday" crucifixion, the scriptures do NOT use the words "Friday-Sunday" and that's your big mistake of ASSUMING that it does, because your assuming that "Saturday" on the Roman-Gregorian calendar week is the Sabbath and that it was being used in the Bible, but it's not. There is also the phrase "the third day rise again".
Messiah was crucified on the 14th day of the first lunar month Abib, and it doesn't say that it was a "Wednesday or Thursday " either. I believe the scriptures itself and not modern men's own ideas ABOUT the texts of scriptures.
@@guylainecollett7943 ok, I agree with what you say. So explain 3 days and 3 nights from late on 14th to early on 16th. It amounts to the same. God bless you.
You claimed the Lunar Sabbath doctrine is wrong. I say Likewise you are promoting the weekly Sabbath doctrine Christians must keep is equally wrong and not taught in scripture as well.
Obeying truth and righteousness cannot be wrong.
@@roypage however, your teaching is not based on truth and you're mixing law and grace which the Judaizers did.
@@93556108 The law is truth, Psalm 119v142, all God's commandments are truth, Psalm 119v151. If you keep any of the ten commandments you are mixing law and grace.
Did Jonah give as a sign to the Ninevehites the fact that he was 72 hours in a whale?
Nineveh was about 600 miles from the shore when Jonah was spewed out on the beach of the eastern Miditerranean and there is no evidence that this tale was retold to them, or that it played any part in their repentance. Rather, the sign was the message of repentance; compare Mt.12 with Lk.11:29-32
Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here. The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here. Mt.12:38-42
And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet. For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation. The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here. The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here. Lk.11:29-32
Why should Jonah's sojourn in a whale's belly cause them to repent, let alone believe him?
Jonah's message to Ninevah was, as Jesus' was to the Judeans, "REPENT OR PERISH", and that is what caused them to repent!
They wanted to save their lives and couldn't have cared a fig about some foreigner taking a ride in the belly of a sea creature, miraculous though it was.
Jonah's repentance didn't interest them but the message of repentance he brought to them. The Ninevehites repented en masse but few of the Torah-teachers and Pharisees did.
This was the sign of the Prophet Jonah, just as it was of the Son of Man, and it's the same message to us today:
I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Lk.13:3
How many people do you know of who were converted to Messiah because of Jonah being 72 hours in a whale's belly? Or even of Jesus being in a grave for 72 hours?
On this occasion Jesus was not talking about His death and resurrection, was He?
If He had been, He would also have mentioned the fact that He would be coming out of the grave too, wouldn't He - a rather important point!
What convinced His disciples that He was Messiah was not that He died and was burried but the fact that He AROSE! And as Muslims rightly point out, Jonah did not actually die in the whale and therefore when he was spat out, he was not restored to life in such a way that could be compared with death and resurrection.
This particular sign has nothing to do with the resurrection! It's all about repentance - Jonas', for running away from YHVH's call, and the religious leaders of Jesus' day for running away from the truth which was Jesus and nothing more. But unlike Jonah, who repented, the religious leaders for the most part did not.
NINEVA was on the bank of the Tigris river, not a 600 mile walk.
@@roypage The city of Nineveh was located on the Tigris river, in present-day Iraq. From the closest point of eastern Mediterranean shoreline, Nineveh is about 370 miles from the Mediterranean Sea.
S.: The American Scientific Affiliation OPEN FORUM Jonah and the Whale
@@benaiah786 Not 600 miles as you originally stated, and I fail to see what difference it makes concerning the resurrection of Jesus.
@@roypage It makes no difference concerning the resurrection of Jesus. The sign was the message of repentance, not the distance Jonah traveled in the belly or the amount of hours he spent in the belly.
@@benaiah786 you could say there were 2 signs then the time Jonah was in the belly of the whale, and the fact that the Gentiles repented when the Jews wouldn't.
Good start. Keep up the good work and eventually you'll find you've proved all of the scriptures are false. Like every other holy text ever written, it's all stories written by men. Carry on.
I am not aware that I have proved any scripture false. I am against false doctrine which is what lunar Sabbath is. God kept 7th day and they keep the 8th. No command by God to leave the first day of the month or the 30th out of the count to the Sabbath, no command to count the Sabbath from the moon, and blatant denial of three days and three nights spoken by jesus. God bless you.
@@roypage The Creator kept the 7th day... The 7th day of what? Of His Week. Lunar weeks always contains 7 days. @roypage At this point, you are still blind to the New Moon day being separate from the creation week, and weeks in general (Genesis 2:10-14)
Proverbs 25:2, “It is the glory of G-d to conceal a thing, but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.”
@@benaiah786 it was the 7th day o the first week and month of history.
If you count the 7 sabbaths and stop at the new moon days you will come to the correct day. we are so conditioned to think in terms of Sunday but there's no such thing. its a catholic invention. Also after that period we are to count another 50 days to the new grain offering. its a wheat grain offering because wheat is a summer fruit no a spring fruit like barley so it would take 100 plus days (7x7 plus extra 50 days = 99+ new moon days)
to ripen for that particular NEW offering.
You will find a link in the description about Pentecost which debunks your 99 days to wheat harvest God bless you.
the mannah ended for good that is why mannah dose not fall any more
but after Joshua 5:12 is the last day they eat the Mannah
from that day they eat fruit of the Land and not mannah as in Joshua 5:12
today Mannah dose not fall anymore
Joshua 5
12 And the manna ceased on the morrow after they had eaten of the old corn of the land; neither had the children of Israel manna any more; but they did eat of the fruit of the land of Canaan that year.
You are correct. They ate new harvest barley on 15th and manna ceased the next day.
Solar Calendar
And command thou the children of Israel that they observe the years according to this reckoning- three hundred and sixty-four days, and (these) will constitute a complete year, and they will not disturb its time from its days and from its feasts; for everything will fall out in them according to their testimony, and they will not leave out any day nor disturb any feasts. But if they do neglect and do not observe them according to His commandment, then they will disturb all their seasons and the years will be dislodged from this (order), [and they will disturb the seasons and the years will be dislodged] and they will neglect their ordinances. And all the children of Israel will forget and will not find the path of the years, and will forget the new moons, and seasons, and sabbaths and they will go wrong as to all the order of the years. For I know and from henceforth will I declare it unto thee, and it is not of my own devising; for the book (lies) written before me, and on the heavenly tablets the division of days is ordained, lest they forget the feasts of the covenant and walk according to the feasts of the Gentiles after their error and after their ignorance. For there will be those who will assuredly make observations of the moon -how (it) disturbs the seasons and comes in from year to year ten days too soon. For this reason the years will come upon them when they will disturb (the order), and make an abominable (day) the day of testimony, and an unclean day a feast day, and they will confound all the days, the holy with the unclean, and the unclean day with the holy; for they will go wrong as to the months and sabbaths and feasts and jubilees. For this reason I command and testify to thee that thou mayst testify to them; for after thy death thy children will disturb (them), so that they will not make the year three hundred and sixty-four days only, and for this reason they will go wrong as to the new moons and seasons and sabbaths and festivals, and they will eat all kinds of blood with all kinds of flesh. - Jubilees 6: 32-38
That is not in the scripture canon tha I accept. God bless you.
@@roypage
who judged the writing not to be God’s word?
@@itisitisirish532 I know that the Apocrypha was in the original KJV as I have a copy of it. It is said to be removed by protestant authorities in the 1800's. I have read some of them and rejected them when I see they contradict commonly accepted scripture. The one you quoted for example refers to a 364 day year, but the only one I see in the bible is 360 days. God bless you.
@@roypage
interesting, where does it say the year is 360 days?
“Thus I saw their position -how the moons rose and the sun set in those days. And if five years are added together the sun has an overplus of thirty days, and all the days which accrue to it for one of those five years, when they are full, amount to 364 days. And the overplus of the sun and of the stars amounts to six days: in 5 years 6 days every year come to 30 days: and the moon falls behind the sun and stars to the number of 30 days. And the sun and the stars bring in all the years exactly, so that they do not advance or delay their position by a single day unto eternity; but complete the years with perfect justice in 364 days. In 3 years there are 1,092 days, and in 5 years 1,820 days, so that in 8 years there are 2,912 days. For the moon alone the days amount in 3 years to 1,062 days, and in 5 years she falls 50 days behind: {i.e. to the sum [of 1,770] there is to be added [1,000 and] 62 days.} And in 5 years there are 1,770 days, so that for the moon the days in 8 years amount to 2,832 days. {For in 8 years she falls behind to the amount of 80 days}, all the days she falls behind in 8 years are 80. And the year is accurately completed in conformity with their world-stations and the stations of the sun, which rise from the portals through which it [the sun] rises and sets 30 days.”
with this Calendar the Sabbath never falls on Passover. never.
But the georgoria calander wasnt invented then when Jesus was here.
It is true that the Gregorian calendar did not exist in the days of Jesus but the Julian calendar did. If you work thr gregorian calendar backwards these two calendars would be near equivalent in the days of Jesus. God bless you.
Pentecost
you count it like this
count 7 weeks Sabbath then count 50 days
like 100 days
if you read the bible different
Fifty days equals 7 Sabbaths plus a day. Why try to change it? Deuteronomy 16:9-10 proves it is only 7 weeks, not plus 50 days.
@@roypage
bible says after the 7th Sabbath then count 50 days
@@goldonaxe There is no "then" in the translations I use. Which one are you using?
They're not debating there's a sabbath of the lord for my understanding they're trying to figure out Where does in the bible does it stay that Saturday is that 7th day
It doesn't because Saturday is depart of the Roman calendar, which our country has adopted. God bless you.
The Gregorian calendar is the calendar used in most parts of the world. It was introduced in October 1582 by Pope Gregory XIII as a modification of, and replacement for, the Julian calendar
@@marshapeterson7423 Exacty right Marsha. God bless you.
There is also no scripture basis to prove Saturday is the seventh day
@@ronaldmaina3818 Obviously, as Saturday is never mentioned in scripture. God bless you.
Comment says that you have 18 comments i only see 3
It also counts the 'replies', check the first comment and you'll realize that there are replies.
It may be someone kept making ungodly comments and I deleted him.
first fruits was the sabbath after he rose
First fruits was always the day after the weekly Sabbath. Show me any scripture that contradicts that please. God bless you.
days start at sunrise
Genesis 1:5 God named the daylight 1st before sunset
named Night time 2nd after sunset
also Mary left for the tomb in the morning the end of the day :Genesis 1:5" when it was still dark
in creation week
Night time before day 1 is the New Moon
Genesis 1:2 proves darkness before light, and John 20:1 with verse 19 confirms it.
How is it the new moon when moon didn't exist then?
@@roypage
the darkness before the 1st day is the New Moon
Creaiton week is 7.5 days long
@@goldonaxe creation took only 6 days, exodus 20:11.
@@roypage
Genesis 1:5
God named the daylight 1st before sunset
God named the night time 2nd after sunset
The flesh ot the Messiah did not see the decay.
That is why He says in another psalm:
Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Acts 13:35
which goes back to the sacrifice mentioned in Leviticus in fulfillment of a vow or as a peace offering
And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings for thanksgiving shall be eaten the same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until the morning. But if the sacrifice of his offering be a vow, or a voluntary offering, it shall be eaten the same day that he offereth his sacrifice: and on the morrow also the remainder of it shall be eaten:
But the remainder of the flesh of the sacrifice on the third day shall be burnt with fire. And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity.
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And if ye offer a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the Lord, ye shall offer it at your own will. It shall be eaten the same day ye offer it, and on the morrow: and if ought remain until the third day, it shall be burnt in the fire. And if it be eaten at all on the third day, it is abominable; it shall not be accepted. Leviticus 19:5-7
The instructions for this sacrifice prophetically indicated that the resurrection would occur on the third day.
I did happen on the third day.
@@roypage Correct.
For this very reason Martha holds the following against her rabbi
But, Lord,” said Martha, the sister of the dead man, “by this time there is a bad odor, for he has been there four days.”
The day of the resurrection yearly coincides with the day of the first sheaf. The second day of the Feast, in the Old Covenant, the "firstfruits" or "first sheaf" had to be offered before YHVH, "for His pleasure"
The Lord said to Moses, "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'When you enter the land I am going to give you and you reap its harvest, bring to the priest a sheaf of the first grain you harvest. He is to wave the sheaf before the Lord so it will be accepted on your behalf; the priest is to wave it on the day after the Sabbath. Lev.23:9-11
@@benaiah786 so you think God could not preserve the body of his son to fulfil his word for 3 days?
@@roypage There was no need for it as the Scripture tells us
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 1 Cor 15:3-4
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. Hos.6,2
@@benaiah786 so how do you fit after thee days Mark 8v31?
You can't use the first week of creation to justify this...YAH created the sun and moon to tell time, and yet He started counting before these celestial bodies were created, but from the time they had been created, they became the standard of time. Its like buying a watch in the noon of day and setting the time correctly.
If God saw fit to sanctify the seventh day why is it never good enough for you? Can you show me where he changed it and sanctified the 8th day please?
@@roypage I don't have to explain myself to you. I don't believe in winning an argument...you and I stand on two different sides of history...but I see you wanna be right so bad!!! Truth speaks for itself, it's not written on a piece of paper... time and it's elements were placed in the sky...those that could tell time had to trace the movements of these elements, and everytime the moon completed it's cyclic journey, the new month was announced...it was never standard-everything was counted. My ancestors understood this very well, and their ancient wisdom remains with us... your ancestors wrote down a calendar...they created the very problem and concept you seek to perpetuate 🤔😏
Jesus was dead for 3 days and 3 nights. In Jewish life, part of a calendar day is sometimes considered one day. This coincides with passages from the Tanakh as well as the statements in the gospels
so he will be resurrected after three days. Mk.9,31
Break down this temple and in three days I will raise it up. Joh.2,19
His flesh did not see the decay
Therefore he also says in another place: You will not let your holy one see decay. Acts.13,35
which goes back to the sacrifice mentioned in Shemot for the fulfillment of a vow or as a peace offering
The flesh of the peace offering is to be eaten on the day it is offered; nothing is to be left over until the morning. But if the sacrifice he offers is based on a vow or is voluntary, it is to be eaten on the day it is offered, and what remains of it may be eaten the following day. But what remains of the sacrificial meat until the third day is to be burned with fire. But if nevertheless on the third day the flesh of his peace offering is eaten, it shall not be accepted as acceptable; it shall not be imputed to him who offered it, but shall be counted as an abomination, and the soul that eats of it shall bear its guilt. Deut.7:15-18
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And when ye slay a peace offering unto the LORD, ye shall offer it that it may be acceptable unto you. And it shall be eaten on the day that ye offer it, and on the morrow: but that which remaineth unto the third day shall be burnt with fire. But if nevertheless it is eaten on the third day, it is an abomination and will not be accepted as pleasing; Deut. 19:5-7.
The instructions for this sacrifice prophetically indicate that the resurrection would be on the third day
14th Abib day 1 crucifixion and death (part of a full day)
14th Abib night 1 (full night)
15. Abib day 2 (full day)
15. abib night 2 (full night)
16. abib day 3 (full day)
16. abib night 3 resurrection (part of a full night).
The idiom of partial days is invalidated because "days" and "nights" were added to the prophecy. In this case, the days are 24 hour periods. 72 total hours.
I agree. God bless you.
Joshua 5:11 does not prove that Nisan 15/the first day of unleavened bread was not a sabbath- we know that it is a sabbath because it is the first day of the festival of unleavened bread. " On the fifteenth day of that month the Lord’s Festival of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast. 7 On the first day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work" (Lev 23:6-7). Something must be wrong with your interpretation.
You do quite a bit of fear mongering in this video to bully people to adhere to your teaching, which I don't find necessary to studying scripture. In fact, it is satanic. There's no reason for it. We're here to study, not to be bullied into your narrative.
You do not present a clear point of disproving lunar sabbath. Your logic of the creation schedule is akin to saying that God is not allowed to use the moon at all to establish the first of the month/new moon because He hadn't set the moon yet. He is able to provide a "witness in the sky" in order to keep us on track for His appointed times, which includes sabbath. He can establish the moon afterward to provide that witness. Your logic is flawed. That is, He can know when His seventh day is, but He can also give us the moon later in order to keep us on track. The fact that He didn't need the moon to tell Him when His new moon was does not make it obsolete for us.
On the 15th they ate the things that they were told not to eat until they had waved the sheaf of first-fruits, the day after the Sabbath. God bless you.
So are you interpreting Passover to have been a sabbath? Because the word says that they needed to get the bodies down before the sabbath. I understand from scripture that the 15th was a high sabbath that year. @@roypage
@@asoulalignedhowgodhealshis6682 in the days of Joshua the weekly Sabbath fell on the 14th, the Passover. In the day when Jesus was crucified it didn't
In both cases the 15th was a special feast day Sabbath. God bless you.
@@asoulalignedhowgodhealshis6682 the 14th Nisan would only be a weekly Sabbath about once every 7years.
This is why God created the Moon and the Sun. The moon calculated the months and the sun calculate the days.
Wher does the bible say that please ? I know the sun determines when a day starts but I see no conclusive evidence for the moon starting the month.
if passover falls on saturday it is a work day
clean house of Yeast
kill and cook lamb
start a fire
then on the 15th day of 1st month sunday would be the rest and worship day Lev 23:4-8
I think you will find they were allowed to prepare food on 15th. They could do cleaning on 13th?
@@roypage kill and cook lamb
do you have the bible vereses to prove that
Passover Day si when the Lamb is to die
is there any bible verses that say the day can be chagned
@@roypage
Exodus 12
6 and ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.
@@roypage
15th day of 1st month is a rest and worship day after Passover the work day
Leviticus 23:6-7
Authorized (King James) Version
6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
A parallel passage to Matthew 12:40 can be found in Luke
This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet. For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation. Lk.11:29b-30
Reading further, we see that the men of Nineveh repented at the preaching of Jonah, but a greater prophet than Jonah was before their eyes now.
A sign is something that is visible to the sign seeker. The Jews wanted a visible sign that was even more convincing than the miracles that Jesus performed. The question is,
In what way was Jonah’s journey in the fish’s belly a sign to the Ninevites?
According to Jonah 2:10-3:3, after he was vomited out of the fish’s mouth, he was to go to Nineveh. No one from Nineveh saw Jonah being spewed out of the fish, nor did he tell them of his encounter with it.
Jonah himself, as a preacher of repentance sent from YHVH was the sign.
Luke’s parallel account shows that the emphasis of the sign is shown to be the message of repentance preached by both respective prophets. Both writers mention this fact, whereas only one includes a time element. Thus, although each prophet spent an amount of time in a certain place, the sign was actually the message of repentance preached; first by Jonah, and second, by Jesus the Messiah.
As Jonah was thrown overboard into the sea, so Christ was betrayed, delivered into the hands of sinful men Lk.24:7, delivered unto the Gentiles Lk.18:32, rejected, abandoned, forsaken of G-d Lk.17:20; Mt.27:46; Mk.15:34; Mt.26:56; Mk 14:50
As Jonah was swallowed by the great fish, so Christ was swallowed by the evil which surrounded Him.
To the mob near the garden, Jesus said
This is your hour, and the power of darkness Lk.22:53; Behold the hour is at hand, and the Son of Man is betrayed into the hands of sinners Mt.26:46
The hour begins with the kiss of Judas. From the kiss of Judas to the earthquake just before dawn, three days and three nights without the protection of His Father left in the heart of the earth.
Thus we now have 3 days and 3 nights comprising the time the Messiah was in the heart of the earth, out of the hands of the heavenly Father, and delivered into the hands of men.
You seem to make it complicated. The sign was a straight comparison between Jonathan being three days and three nights in the fish belly and Jesus being g buried for the same time. His resurrection after was the proof.
@@roypage Jonah was alive and trapped in the belly of the fish. This verse mentions nothing about the crucifixion or the resurrection. Instead, we are talking about the heart of the earth. The meaning of that figure of speech is not explained anywhere in Scripture and must therefore be interpreted.
@@benaiah786 The only comparison is the time.
@@roypage This time begins to run exactly at the hour of which the Messiah has spoken in Gethsemaneh, see Luke 22:53. It is also important to note that the day of resurrection coincides with the day of the firstfruits, as this is the foreshadow of the resurrection of the Messiah. The day of the first sheaf is the 16th of the first month.
@@benaiah786 That's nonesense. He was not in the heart of the earth while he was walking about on it or hanging on the cross. Why not just give up your false doctrine instead of trying to twist scripture to prove it?
This man speaks boldly of that which he knows nothing! He can't even count the feast days properly. His explanations are so confused, it isn't even worth countering.
Can you explain how the feast days are counted wrong please?
why do you call not a doctrine? its just a way of marking time.
And how many of us fail in the first half of the command to work six days...most only work 5 and have 2 days off 😄
A doctrine is a teaching.
@@roypage I thought a doctrine is an established teaching …yours isn’t
@@mikha007 neither is yours.
@9:30
There is no scripture for the statement, that the moon was created on the fourth day.
It can be implied in Genesis 1, it is a possibility but it is not a direct statement in scripture.
There are saturday sabbatarians throughout history that have believed that the luminaries were not created on the fourth day. One of the sages, jewish rabbis of the middle ages, known, by the acronym rashi, believe, that luminaries were created on the first day and were set in order or appointed to tasks on the fourth day.
If the moon so happened to be created from scratch on the fourth day it would not pose a problem for lunar sabbatarians because Yhvh created the moon would not be created in such a way that it reflected the days gone by. Look at adam and eve, they were made as adult humans, able to be married and procreate.
Because the moon was appointed or possibly even created on day four does not negate that the sabbaths somehow regulated by the moon.
So if God rested on the seventh day of the week why do lunar sabbatarians keep the 8th? And perhaps you can enlighten me as to when the moon was created?
@@roypage Yhvh in His creation created three kinds of days, as verified throughout scripture; New Moon days, His Feast days (moedim), and work days. New Moon days were set apart from all other days, six work days and the seventh day Sabbath, made up the week which happens four times throughout the month. Although, it is not so obvious, it is however asserted and verified in Genesis 2:1-4
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day G-d ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And G-d blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which G-d created and made. These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord G-d made the earth and the heavens, Gen.2:1-4
The LXX reads this verse
And the heavens and the earth were finished, and the whole world of them. And G-d finished on the sixth day His works which He made, and He ceased on the seventh day from all His works which He has made. And G-d blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He ceased from all His works which G-d began to do. This the book of the generation of heaven and earth, when they were made, in the day in which the Lord G-d made the heaven and the earth Gen.2:1-4 LXX
As stated in Genesis 2:2 in the King James version of the Bible according to the Hebrew they speak of two seventh days.
You might think that statement is really taking liberty and is an over reach of that particular scripture. But read it again, it stated in V2
And on the seventh day G-d ended His work which He had done. Gen.2.2
One has to ask, did G-d end His work on day seven of the week or did G-d end His work on the sixth day of the week?
As the Septuagint affirms, it is both days. I took the liberty of bringing into our study the Septuagint. The Septuagint makes obvious, that the interpreters of the Greek Old Testament knew the Hebrew was talking about the sixth day of the week. If it was day seven of the first new month, that means it would have been day six of the first week, and that would disparage any discrepancy.
Definitely a point to ponder, in the Old Testament if a person ended his work on the seventh day, he could have been stoned. Numbers 15:32-36; You can read where they stoned a man who was picking up sticks on the seventh day (Sabbath)
And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation. And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him. And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses. Num.15:32-36
If G-d finished His work on the seventh day of the week, we would have a real injustice here, but we know that G-d is equitable, fair, and just. Therefore, we realize that G-d could not have finished His work on the seventh day of the week. But He could have on the seventh day of the month. A week would not have been declared until it was over, and the week was not over until Elohim proclaimed it to be, when He rested. Thereby, affirming the first week and putting into play His heavenly time piece.
Now, let us read the Septuagint/Greek version of the same incident, the Septuagint makes it very evident that G-d finished His work on the sixth day of the week, because the Septuagint was just dealing with the days of a week at that point in time. The Hebrew version was equating/reconciling the seventh day of a month with the sixth day of the week. Both versions continue with the narrative G-d rested on the seventh day, from all His work, making it very obvious that it was the seventh day of the very first week. However, by Hebrew reckoning, it would have been the eighth day of the month. At that point, they are declaring the end of the week, consequently, the seventh day.
@@roypage The heaven(s) were not created empty on the first day, but were filled with the sun, moon, and stars, a new and perfect creation, as indicated by the Hebrew word bara, that means to create the shape or to form. When it says 'G-d made two great lights', that means He put him into their appointed things to achieve. The word made in the Hebrew is pronounced asah, that means to put in order to appoint to ordain to use to be observed or to perform.
@@benaiah786 the idea that tere a 2 seventh days in Genesis 2 is spreading confusion and reading into scripture what is not there.
@@benaiah786 Where does scripture say the sun an moon were there on the first day?
you can read it this way
count 7 Sabbaths
the morrow after the 7th Sabbath "then " count 50 days
count 7 Sabbaths then count 50 days
Leviticus 23
16 even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord.
No way. Why would you want to do that? The count is confirmed in Deuteronomy 16:9.
@@roypage
the count starts when the corn
the count 7 Sabbaths
then count 50 days awell
like 100 days not 50
@@goldonaxe No, where does it say that? Deuteronomy 16:9-10 says only 7 weeks.
@@goldonaxe The seven Sabbaths plus a day is the 50 days. It is also 7 weeks in Deuteronomy 16:9-10. Moses is repeating the instructions here.
@@roypage Deuteronomy 16 is the outline for the feast not the details. Details are in Lev 23. Feast of weeks is 7 Sabbath + 50 days counting from 3rd Sabbath (after the feast of first fruits) of the first month as stated in Lev 23.
Lev 23:15 “You shall count seven full weeks from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering.
Lev 23:16 You shall count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath. Then you shall present a grain offering of new grain to the LORD.
thank you 1Timothy 4:1-3 deceptions are everywhere those who don't read they will follow the doctrines of Devil departing from faith 2 Timothy 3:12-17 the word of God will is true these confusion are there to separate wheat from chuff. The mark of God is first given at creation which is the seventh day of every week. The mark of the Beast is being placed in the forehead of those who do not regard the word of God to compromise the truth.
Amen. God bless you.
So irrespective of the fact that Christ never used the Julian Calendar, and Gregorian is a modification from Julian, we are saying it's still a better choice to stick to the current tradition of the weekly cycle and follow a system that was orchestrated by a Romish authority?. Oh...then label persons exploring and genuinely being challenged by the historical, astronomical and biblical evidences that CERTAINLY do NOT line up with Gregorian as APOSTACY? Wow!
From one New moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another....why did YAH speak of these two time based events THAT HE ESTABLISHED, in one sentence that HE declared through His prophet???
Lunar Sabbath is not found, nor is continuous seven day week.
9:00 six work days for god, and Sabbath on the seventh. No contradiction with either Model
12:00 silly point. If no moon phase then no lunar month.
13:00 the Hebrew does not say "twice". That's only in the English translation. It's simply plural, roughly "many" not "twice".
15:00 there are indeed mention of new moon days! No where is it said you must do exactly six and no fewer days of work before rest. If that were commanded then non-Sabbath festivals (in the Christian and Hillel II calendars) would be forbidden as well.
22:00 14th evening is the preparation, 15th is both Sabbath and Passover day. Wave sheath on the 16th. Manna ceased on the 17th.
Thank you Mr Roy it because of sin ask Adam how he keep the Sabbath before sin and ask Jesus our Lord of the Sabbath and ask The antichrist how to keep the Sabbath he will confuse you to divide the number of those who suppose to worship God. those who don't care with the word they shall review themselves either your faith will be On the Rock Christ or on sand Antichrist these two foundation determine your destiny hell or internal life.
If we conti ue to be obedient to God's word I think he will keep us free from deception. God bless you.
Numbers 29:12-38 lists all the offerings during the feast of tabernacles from the 15th day of the moon to the 22nd day of the moon what scripture also calls the first day and the eighth day
And on the fifteenth day of the seventh month ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work, and ye shall keep a feast unto the Lord seven days: And ye shall offer a burnt offering, a sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord; thirteen young bullocks, two rams, and fourteen lambs of the first year; they shall be without blemish: And their meat offering shall be of flour mingled with oil, three tenth deals unto every bullock of the thirteen bullocks, two tenth deals to each ram of the two rams, And a several tenth deal to each lamb of the fourteen lambs: And one kid of the goats for a sin offering; beside the continual burnt offering, his meat offering, and his drink offering.
And on the second day ye shall offer twelve young bullocks, two rams, fourteen lambs of the first year without spot: And their meat offering and their drink offerings for the bullocks, for the rams, and for the lambs, shall be according to their number, after the manner: And one kid of the goats for a sin offering; beside the continual burnt offering, and the meat offering thereof, and their drink offerings.
And on the third day eleven bullocks, two rams, fourteen lambs of the first year without blemish; And their meat offering and their drink offerings for the bullocks, for the rams, and for the lambs, shall be according to their number, after the manner: And one goat for a sin offering; beside the continual burnt offering, and his meat offering, and his drink offering.
And on the fourth day ten bullocks, two rams, and fourteen lambs of the first year without blemish: Their meat offering and their drink offerings for the bullocks, for the rams, and for the lambs, shall be according to their number, after the manner: And one kid of the goats for a sin offering; beside the continual burnt offering, his meat offering, and his drink offering.
And on the fifth day nine bullocks, two rams, and fourteen lambs of the first year without spot: And their meat offering and their drink offerings for the bullocks, for the rams, and for the lambs, shall be according to their number, after the manner: And one goat for a sin offering; beside the continual burnt offering, and his meat offering, and his drink offering.
And on the sixth day eight bullocks, two rams, and fourteen lambs of the first year without blemish: And their meat offering and their drink offerings for the bullocks, for the rams, and for the lambs, shall be according to their number, after the manner: And one goat for a sin offering; beside the continual burnt offering, his meat offering, and his drink offering.
And on the seventh day seven bullocks, two rams, and fourteen lambs of the first year without blemish: And their meat offering and their drink offerings for the bullocks, for the rams, and for the lambs, shall be according to their number, after the manner: And one goat for a sin offering; beside the continual burnt offering, his meat offering, and his drink offering.
On the eighth day ye shall have a solemn assembly: ye shall do no servile work therein: But ye shall offer a burnt offering, a sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord: one bullock, one ram, seven lambs of the first year without blemish: Their meat offering and their drink offerings for the bullock, for the ram, and for the lambs, shall be according to their number, after the manner: And one goat for a sin offering; beside the continual burnt offering, and his meat offering, and his drink offering.
It lists all of the offerings. Num.29:12-38
In the listing of these days YHVH goes through day one to eight listing the offerings but He only gives two times of holy convocation in which you do no work and thats on day one and on day eight. There is no other holy convocation command in between those two high days. So day one and eight which are day 15 and 22 of the month are the sabbaths and there are no sabbaths on day 16-21.
This is not a commandment just for one year this is for every single year that you come across. That is impossible if you have a saturday sabbath floating in that feast.
Where does the scripture say thes are governed by the moon?
@@roypage Leviticus 23:39
What is the problem with doing those sacrifices on the sabbath day? The sabbath day has its own offerings in numbers 28:9-10. So what’s wrong with having an extra one? What’s wrong with doing two different sacrifices on the sabbath?
There is no biblical precedence for the sacrifices attached to the annual feasts not being observed on the sabbath day just because it was the sabbath day. The jews were prepared to offer the Passover lamb the day Jesus died and then observe the feast of ULB on the sabbath day. The first day of the feast of ULB required a sacrifice did it not?
The sabbath day occuring during the 8 days of the feast of ULB does not take away the direction God gave them.
You said, “there is no other holy convocation command in between those two high days”
There doesn’t need to be one. That part of Leviticus 23 is talking about tabernacles, not the weekly sabbath.
@@justamessenger4577 There doesn’t need to be one by using lunar weeks.
But by assuming an independent of the signs in the heavens uninterupted week cycle Saturday Sabbaths are floating through both of the pilgrim feasts and moreover disrupt the 6:1 pattern, that you value so much.
Day 15 of the first month is always day 7 of the week according to Exodus 13:6, but not day 4 of the week during the crucifixion as you mean and a year later or earlier again another day of the week.
@@justamessenger4577 so my answer is this. If Jesus died on the 14th Nisan, and the 15th was a weekly Sabbath, when did he rise from the dead?
died Passover 14th day of 1st Month
rested on the Sabbath 15th day of 1st month
rose on 16th day of 1st month after the Sabbath
that is 3 days
He raised on Sabbath day just before sunset, 17th Nisan.
@@roypage He rose after the Sabbath at sunrise
Matthew 28
1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Mark 16:1
6 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
@@goldonaxe No Paul, he had already risen then. That is when he started to show himself to his disciples.
3 days and 3 nights
@@maranathasam AMEN Samuel.
Watch "JESUS' THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE TOMB Matthew 12:40" on UA-cam
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The 15th of Abib is a special Sabbath because it commemorates the Israelites and their descendants in exodus from Egypt
Keep the commandment of unleavened bread. For on this very day (15 Abib) I brought your troops out of the land of Egypt; therefore you shall keep this day, you and all your descendants, as an eternal ordinance. Exodus 12:14
And you shall explain it to your son on that day (15 Abib), saying: It is because of what the LORD did to me when I came out of Egypt (15 Abib). And it shall be like a sign in your hand and a memorial in your sight (Exodus 31:13), so that the law of the LORD may be in your mouth, because the LORD brought you out of Egypt with a mighty hand (15. Abib). Exodus 13:8-9
The starting point is the death of Jesus on the 14th of Nissan at the 9th hour (3 o'clock in the afternoon), his resurrection in the middle of the night (after sunset) from the 16th to the 17th of Nissan.
The Roman week began on the day of Saturn, in contrast to the Jewish count. The Roman planetary week ended on Friday, the preparation day of the Jews.
Taking the planetary days of the week as a basis for the week of the Crucifixion, the first day of the roman week, Saturn, falls on the jewish Sabbath day, the second day of the roman week, Sunday, on the day of the firstfruits sheaf, with the result, that the resurrection falls on Sunday night
Saturday: Saturn (Sabbath)
Sunday: Sun (considered as a planet)
Monday: Moon (considered as a planet)
Tuesday: Mars (Tyr, Thor)
Wednesday: Mercury (Wotan)
Thursday: Jupiter (Donar)
Friday: Venus (Freya)
In order for a given day of the month to always be the 7th day of the week, the week must be anchored in the new moon, as was the case with the Hebrews, Babylonians, and Sumerians.
Once you start talking about Roman weeks you are outside of scripture and we do not have the same basis for discussion. If you use scripture only we can share with each other. God bless you.
Two things:
1) When has the sun or the moon ever been considered a planet?
2) I want to point out that Jesus rose from the grave sometime before sunrise on the 16th day. The 17th day would not begin until the following susnet. A day in the Bible began and ended at sunset, not sunrise.
@@justamessenger4577 so how do you fit three days and 3 nights which Jesus spoke in Matthew 12v40 into that?
@@roypage
I believe that the three days and three nights started during the daytime hours shortly before the last supper.
@@justamessenger4577 how can that be so because that is how long he was buried, in the heart of the earth.
New testament is a replacement theology to replace the true living God.
Thats why there are 2 beings . the god of the old testament and new testament
The true living God of the Tanack,
The whole 66 books speaks of this fake jc aka YAHSHUA.
As he was god in the beginning, the creator of all things .
Genesis 1:1,2 john 1:1,2
John 1 (KJV)
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² The same was in the beginning with God.
³ All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
⁴ In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Jc sais Moses spoke of him in the old testament, the laws .
Moses spoke of Joshuah in the laws of Moses .
The new testament is a copy from the Tanakh.
Where sin abound , grace abound even more .
According to fake Paul .
God says to repent and turn from your evil ways and turn back to Him .
Jc sais that the father loved the world that he gave his begotten son that whosoever should believe will not perish but will have eternal life .
He took the laws with him to the cross . so the sins of the world past and present were forgiven.
So its OK to sin , according to Paul , where sin abounds grace abound even more !
Those who call themselves Christians is in violation of the first commandment.
So wake up . I'm sending out a warning, according to Ezekiel chapter 33 .
So where dous the scripture say it is OK to sin, 1 Cor 15:4, 1 John 2:1, 3:6, 3:9, 5:18?
the sabbath cannot be on the Passover. impossible. for to obey Passover you would be breaking the Sabbath.
Once in every 7 years the Passover would fall on the Sabbath, then you would follow the hierarchy of the law of Moses.
www.logosapostolic.org/bible_study/RP208-3Hierarchy-law.htm God bless you.
The month begins on New Moon Day.
1Samuel 20:27
There are 3 types of day. 2Kings 4:23 & Ezekiel 46:1
The days are reckoned from the New Moon Day.
Exodus 12:3
The days of the month are numbered, not named.
Exodus 12:6
There is a 13th month.
Ezekiel
The week is 7 days, namely, 6 Work Days and 1 Sabbath Day.
The New Moon Day is the day after the FVC, first visible crescent is observed.
Enoch 78:12
The day is dawn to dawn.
Acts 20:7-11
Numbers 28:11 details the offerings on the New Moon Day
The word translated new moon in the hebrew is chodesh, which means month not moon.
The book of Enoch is not counted as scripture.
@@roypage
"new moon" is a phase of the "moon"
@@roypage
The Messiah and his Disciples quoted from Scripture. Did anyone of them quote from Enoch?
@@marsonofjo344 as I said, the Hebrew word translated new moon literally means month, not moon
Mr. Presenter, thank you for attempting to prove the lunar Sabbatarians wrong. Unfortunately you forgot to read Isaiah 66:23..."and from one NEW MOON to another and from one SABBATH to another shall all flesh come to worship YAHWEH. From one new moon to another gives the monthly cycle, and from one sabbath to another gives the weekly cycle. While you are right in saying that the sun, moon, stars were created on the 4th day, however Yahweh the Creator ordained all His creations to function according to what He intended them to do. The sun, moon, stars were for signs, seasons, days and years. Time is measured in motion. Sun, moon, and stars are constantly in motion to give us the precise timing. When you first build your house. Do you expect it to be completed at one instant, I don't think so. All components of your house must in place before it is habitable. Likewise, God completed all that He did in six days and ordained His creations to function accordingly. The sun, moon, and the stars were ordained to regulate time, and for identification, especially His Sabbaths, Feasts, Day of Atonement, Feast of Tabernacles, Feast of Trumpets ( Lev 23). Read Ezekiel 46:1, there 3 different days mention in the text; (1) Work days (2) Sabbath days (3) New Moon days. Mr. Presenter you can not and will never ignore the new moon days, for without the new moon, you would never tell which day is the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and the 7th day Sabbath. Thanks to Yahweh the Creator to include the moon , the sun and the stars to give precise timing, seasons, days, and years. Therefore LUNAR SOLAR CALENDAR IS BIBLICAL. It is the Creator's Calendar. Lunar Sabbatarians are correct.
I suggest you look at the Hebrew word for new moon in that verse it is chodesh, Strong's 1320. It means month not moon. If you believe that the 15th Nisan is a weekly Sabbath, then please explain how Friday afternoon to Sunday morning is 3 days and 3 nights, Matthew 12v40 with Genesis 1v5. God bless you.
What? Are you saying that Jésus died on wednesday? Not biblical!
It is the only solution that fits every scripture. God bless you.
Only takes a few minutes to see this guy is wrong." They" count the new moon day as a holy day.....
If by "they" you mean YHWH's people, then you are correct. The Bible is very clear on this. Therefore, if you are this wrong at the beginning..........
The first day of the month should never be missed out of the count to the Sabbath. God bless you.
Do a google search of these words in the quote..." creationcalendar".
It is just another lunar Sabbath variation with no scripture proof. God bless you.
While many people are familiar with the Sabbath as the 7th day of the week, the Torah uses another similar-sounding word: shabbathown. The word shabbathown in the Torah is translated as rest and always refers to the regular day of rest, which is strictly forbidden to work.
There are three annual biblical dates (moedim) that are not considered Shabbaton. Two of these occur in spring. The 1st and 7th days of Chag HaMatzot (Feast of Unleavened Bread) are NOT called Shabbaton.
The word Shabbaton occurs in the description of day 7/week, the four holy days of month 7, and the Sabbath of the land (sabbatical year).
In total it occurs 11 times in 10 verses:
And he said unto them, This is that which the Lord hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the Lord: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning. Ex.16:23 (day 7/week)
Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Ex.31:15 (day 7/week)
Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the Lord: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death. Ex.35:2 (day 7/week)
It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever. Lev.16:31 Day of Atonement (Day 10/Month 7 = Day 2/Week)
Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings. Lev.23:3 (day 7/week)
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation. Lev.23:24 Feast of Trumpets (Day 1/Month 7 = New Moon Day)
It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath. Lev.23:32 Day of Atonement (Day 10/Month 7 = Day 2/Week)
Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the Lord seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath. Lev.23:39 Feast of Tabernacles (day 15 and day 22/month 7 = day 7/week)
But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the Lord: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard. Lev.25:4 seventh year (sabbatical year)
That which groweth of its own accord of thy harvest thou shalt not reap, neither gather the grapes of thy vine undressed: for it is a year of rest unto the land. Lev.25:5 seventh year (sabbatical year)
The BDB Hebrew Lexicon also lists these days:
A. The weekly Sabbath
B. the Feast of Trumpets
C. Day of Atonement
D. The first and last day of the Feast of Tabernacles
E. Sabbath year
In contrast, the word shabbathown is not used for the Day of Pentecost nor for the two Holy Days of Unleavened Bread.
This shows that Day 7/Week and the Feast of Unleavened Bread fall on the same day, for when the High Sabbath is called a shabbaton it is because Day 7/week is a shabbaton (A), but not the feast day. All other options (B-E) are ruled out.
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day [σαββάτῳ] , (for that sabbath day [σαββάτου] was an high day, [μεγάλη ἡ ἡμέρα]) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. John 19:31
The weekly sabbath always coincides with the first day of unleavened bread, which is then called the great day.
So if Jesus died on the 14th of Nisan and the 15th was a weekly Sabbath, when did he rise from the dead?
@@roypage
14. Abib Day 1 Crucifixion and Death (part of a full day)
14. Abib night 1 (full night)
15. Abib Day 2 (full day)
15. Abib night 2 (full night)
16. Abib Day 3 (full day)
16. Abib night 3 resurrection (part of a whole night).
There is a second option.
These three days and nights began before the crucifixion. For the Messiah came into Satan's power the night He was betrayed and handed over to the soldiers. That night he was separated from his father because of our sins. He suffered, He was tortured and finally crucified.
Almost always when the Bible talks about the resurrection "on the third day", this point in time begins with the suffering BEFORE Christ's death:
Luke 9:22; Matthew 16:21; Mark 10:34; Luke 18:32-33; Luke 24:7; Luke 24:46.
What is important is that the day of the resurrection coincides with the day of the sheaf of first fruits, since this is the foreshadow of the resurrection of the Messiah. The day of the firstfruits is the 16th of the first month.
@@benaiah786 Three days and three nights in the heart of the earth refers to his burial. Your answer is one of the worst twisting of scripture I have ever heard. I urge you to forsake this false doctrine for if you deny that Jesus was buried for 3 days and three nights he will deny you before his father. God bless you.
@@roypage The expression, “three days and three nights,” is an Old Testament idiom carried over into the New Testament, and means not necessarily three whole days and three whole nights, but in round numbers a period of about three days.
Exactly the same expression as in the case of Jonah is found in 1 Samuel 30:1 .12-13, when David and his men returned to Ziklag on “the third day” (Verse 1). They found the place had been devastated in their absence, and their families and property carried off as spoil by the Amalekites; they found also an Egyptian slave, who had eaten no bread nor drunk water “three days and three nights” (Verse 12); but in the 13th verse we read that it was “three days ago” that he fell sick, and the impression left on the mind is that it was a period of about three days
And it came to pass, when David and his men were come to Ziklag on the third day, that the Amalekites had invaded the south, and Ziklag, and smitten Ziklag, and burned it with fire;...And they gave him a piece of a cake of figs, and two clusters of raisins: and when he had eaten, his spirit came again to him: for he had eaten no bread, nor drunk any water, three days and three nights... And David said unto him, To whom belongest thou? and whence art thou? And he said, I am a young man of Egypt, servant to an Amalekite; and my master left me, because three days agone I fell sick... 1 Sam 30:;1 .12-13
There is no point in postponing the day of the crucifixion to Day 5, or even to Day 4 in that week, as some, without basis either historical or Biblical, have endeavoured to do, so as to get in three whole days and three whole nights between Christ’s burial and the resurrection, since, according to the express words of Christ and of the apostles, the resurrection took place “on the third day.”
The Apostle Paul therefore also says, not only that Christ died for our sins and that He was buried, but that “He rose again from the dead the third day according to the Scriptures” (1 Corinthians 15:4).
The traditional solar only Sabbath has absolutely nothing to do with the moon, therefore saturday sabbaths are false sabbaths.
The first and second Sabbath takes place during the moon’s waxing and in comparison the other two Sabbaths takes place during the waning of the moon. Philo compares the two motions of the moon, the waxing and waning of the moon, which has 14 days of waxing and 14 days of waning to its conjunction.
In “Questions and Answers, Exodus, Book 1”: he says,
“9. (Ex. xii. 6a) and it [the moon] wanes as much in comparison with the preceding Sabbath [weekly Sabbath] as the second [Sabbath] (waxes) in comparison with the first [Sabbath].
This which equals 28 days and we know they are approximately 29 and one half days in each month therefore we know the new moon day was not counted in counting out these waxing and waning weeks.
When Philo said
"For when it has become full on the fourteenth (day),”
he is referring to the 14th day of its waxing, after the new moon conjunction, which is really the 15th day of the month/moon. Philo, in so many other places says that the full moon is on the 15th
Philo ON MATING WITH THE PRELIMINARY STUDIES XIX. (102) and becomes a heavenly brilliancy like a full moon, at the height of its increase at the end of the second Week
THE SPECIAL LAWS, II XXXIII. (210) Again, the beginning of this festival is appointed for the fifteenth day of the month (or seventh day of the week),
He goes on to say that
“it becomes full of light in the perception of the people. And again through (another) fourteen (days) it recedes from its fullness of light to its conjunction,”
It is obvious that he is counting from after the new moon day, when the moon begins waxing, because there is only 28 days describe here and there are 29 and one half days in a month/moon, from conjunction to conjunction. This proves there was a dark new moon day that began the month which was not counted in these 28 days or when counting out the weeks.
Can you show me where it says the moo determines the start of the Sabbath please-
@@roypage Genesis 1:14-19 is a key text that teaches us that we do not have to look outside the heavenly stars to determine our calendar or our holy days or times. The weekly rest of YHVH is first mentioned in the book of Genesis and the remedy to finding when it occurs is found very simply.
Genesis 1:14 does say that appointments were to be found by these great lights. So the sun tells us when Sabbaths begin and end, but the moon tells us which day specifically they end.
Why should we use YHVH's calendar for His appointments, except for his most important date, Sabbath?
When it comes to annual or monthly appointments such as Passover, Pentecost, Tabernacles, or even new moon, believers have no problem believing Psalm 104:19, but when it comes to the weekly appointment, they are not so quick to accept, that the moon has something to do with when the weekly Sabbath is, although this particular word moed for festivals refers to the weekly Sabbath and all Levitical holy days.
V.2 of Ps.19 explains that the night reveals knowledge.
You can tell the day of the week (first day, second day, third day... sixth day, then seventh day, Sabbath) by the size and shape and light of the moon. It is obvious that in each month (Elohim's month) one can tell what day of the week it is by the light of the moon.
And in V.3 there is no language in which the voice is not heard.
This means that YHVH has made it known to everyone, there is no private interpretation, nature (the moon) reveals knowledge through a language that everyone can experience and understand.
@@benaiah786 it doesn't mention Sabbath day there.
@@roypage Time is governed by light(s) in heaven according to Genesis 1:14. “DAYS and YEARS” are both elements of “TIME”. This means of measuring “time,” controlled by “light,” is what our Creator gave to man when He created all things. Wouldn’t it then be self-evident that He intended “light” for all mankind to seek His seventh-day Sabbaths?
Concerning the appointments of the Lord addresed in Gen.14, you will find the Sabbath day mentioned in Lev.23., (For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: Isa.28:10)
@@benaiah786 it doesn't mention the Sabbath there.
🪔 I can prove with scripture that you're wrong
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