That Banger review legitimately hurt my brain cells, even called them out for it and mentioned the interview which I read two times. So damn good. Don't care about Fantano so I didn't know he reviewed it. So whoever says DSO are a Nazi band is a fucking moron and more and more people are jumping on that boat. Glad this is up, gonna send it to a few people. Furthermore, I would like to adress what you said about the power of a word, it's very scary seeing so many words like Nazi, rape, fascist, pedos being thrown around like it's nothing. Their frequency lessens their potency, they lose their weight so to speak and many don't realize the implications. Stupidity is boundless but now we have the internet. These are absurdly funny times we're living in and I am not talking about politics exclusively. The amount of morons online is staggering and considering how much info is on our disposal, that makes everything even more absurd. Keep up the good work as always Wyatt, cheers dude!
Undeniably. I am not even into Black Metal so much, but I consider DSO as one of the best musical acts I have ever heard in my life. Drought changed how I looked at metal music.
The idea that the new DsO has bad lyrics is fucking laughable. The Furnaces of Palingenesia is one of very few metal albums where the lyrics make out one of the most important parts of the listening experience. That guy at Banger is a brainlet.
i generally agree that art should be separated from the artist, especially when the band clearly isn't talking about what makes the separation needed, but there are a few things to note here: for one, i don't think fantano is entirely ungrounded for what he did. like any other person, he doesn't know everything about everything he enjoys (in both the case of deathspell omega and assumably disma as well) and i admit too that i had been a fan of the band for a while before finding out mikko aspa's ties to nsbm. and if you really read what he said in his community post, he doesn't have a problem with listening to music made by people with those ties or a problem with reviewing it. he just wanted to be able to address the ties, so people would know who they're supporting by streaming and purchasing the record. but some people might not have a problem with that. as stated in the video, mikko aspa is the only one in the band who share those political views, and the other members who don't necessarily agree aren't willing to let them get in the way of the music. by cutting off support for one member, you cut off support for all of them, even if they don't deserve it. though i can see the argument being made for not wanting to support people who are willing to put up with aspa's views. things like this all just fall into very personalized opinion stuff i think, and it's wrong to condemn someone i think for not wanting to listen to a band because of aspa's views and/or not wanting to support them. the bangertv dudes were definitely wrong for presenting the information in a very all encompassing way, and for dismissing the band's undeniably impressive skill and the music's pretty blatant message, but i can't say that mikko's actions aren't worth discussing. and i think the general "how are you getting offended and you're a black metal fan???" remark being shared in the comments is a bit laughable, as the genre has kind of outgrown its intended purpose in the advent of the internet, and having an interest in a specific style of music shouldn't reflect your association with the culture. you may want to keep it for yourself and have black metal only be what you want it to be, but there comes a point when you have to accept the impossible nature of that, and just know that what the genre might mean to you won't always mean the same to someone else, and that enforcing your perspective onto someone else will ultimately lead to the segregation of those perspectives, which means we could never get another band like deathspell omega! tl;dr - media is cut up into two segments: the art (the music itself) and the product (the context and stuff). deathspell omega is a great band who have a terrible person sing for them, and you should/do have the right to let that affect your opinion on the band and whether you're willing to give them your money on the product, but don't let that inherently shape how you view the art
@@mrmildman2370 the “line” is up to each individual and where they personally choose to draw it. There is no universal line that applies to everybody in terms of where to stop separating the art from the artist. Each person has to decide their own line for themselves.
the entire "how can you dislike nazis but like black metal??" argument is just an extremely basic view on black metal that a lords of chaos fan would agree with. black metal isn't just "ohhh we're so evil and we hate", black metal can be depressive, nihilistic, anti religion, hell sometimes even pro religion or discussing social issues even if it's rare. and hate doesn't always mean hate towards specific groups. black metal's hate is more towards the world and life in general. and imagine if we used this argument for genres like death metal or goregrind? "how can you dislike murder and torture if you're into goregrind??", looks pretty silly now doesn't it?
This was such a necessary video and I highly agree with your statements! It would be such a shame if the band is going to fall off due to an individual who has a controversial background, as if it applies to all of the band members, whose lyrical content has nothing to do with anything you can find in a Mikko Aspa solo project. You have all the right in the world to not support them in any way, but when you are a supposed big name in the music community whose opinion is heard by a lot of people, you have to be more careful with your research and how you label an entire band. And theneedledrop and especially BangerTV could have handled this situation way better, but instead, like you said, it's like they make DsO fans look guilty just by listening to this album!
It's nice to see someone having a clear headed view on the whole DsO and NSBM thing here. I suspect that it's still going to blow even more out of proportion and ironically mean the album will be more successful. Also, I believe they confirmed their was a fourth member in that interview (drummer)? Perhaps just a session musician. But you can speak with the bassist on some metal forms.
Taurus Mortuus why not aid DsO in keeping any knowledge of their “secular” lives a secret? To be able to make such a mark on underground musick and French art as a whole, and only ever do a couple of interviews(conducted by factions of the old guard of black metal and the esoteric. No corpse paint antics in the woods... No going back and forth with civilians online,that will always be beneath them. No spamming social media with merch and videos of them rehearsing (which is one of the lamest things the internet has brought out of “black metal” musicians. They’re not interested in ingratiating their fans. It’s pretty boring
Thanks for the link to this great interview - I just learned of this controversy and the interview is crystal clear on the subject. We need more artists that operate beyond the kindergarten level of the good vs evil narrative.
Can someone provide me the link of that Bangertv review? Can't find it out on their channel. Or was it taken out? Such a shame that this so called "witchhunt" is still taking place within the metal scene.
I can't stand that blonde dude from Banger. He's by far the worst one. It's the icing on the cake that he's supposed to be a comedian but gets so offended at everything. Steve Hughes is the real metal comedian.
That was a phenomenal interview. Banger is hot garbage and I'm glad I bought most of Deathspells discography on wax. Extreme music must be free from censorship of any kind and people who say otherwise are not real fans.
It's very simple and not about "real" fans or anything imo. You either censor everything or censor nothing, otherwise people will look like idiots (which they do). I believe that any art form should be suspect to criticism but not censorship, no matter how controversial or stupid it is.
i really can't understand metalheads politically correctness, they listen to a genere born and grown with controversial lyrics and subversive point of view about everything; i don't think that furnaces of palingenesia is a political manifesto, it is a piece of art with a lyric narration that describes a world of horror, i don't see any militant intention in this album; there's nothing that can be seen as a realistic plan of changing the world or nothing like that. And even if there were i don't see any problem with that, goddamn it's just aesthetic experience. It is like even metalhead can't understand their genere, they behave like christian fundamentalist condemning hevy metal in the 80s. As an art lover i'm really sad about the public reception of what i think is one of the greatest metal album of the last years. Really guys, this makes me hate people much more than what a piece of music can do.
Because it's the norm: In this current age, People love to pull Political correctness and them act like they're the ones in the write while demonizing others and forgetting about actual problems.
I've been listening to DSO since 2004 and their music, lyrics and beliefs have never displayed anything even close to national socialist, neo-nazi topics at all.
Gladly someone finally takes up sides with DsO, Its sad that Fantano decides to ditch the video of a album he truly liked (8/10) i am truly bothered that everyone focuses on Aspa who isnt even a official band member and only serves as a session member. i also found it pretty funny since they're latest album serves more as a mockery and rejection of Nazism. This music is not for weaklings who bind themselves to the morals of this society, And that there is more to it then being a left or right winged idiot.
I find it hilarious that tnd and others will review rappers who openly brag about murder, advocate violence and various illegal activities. With zero disclaimers. Everyone knows and assumes that listening to those artists does not equal supporting their beliefs. but the second some non blm non leftist artist is even associated with controversy, its all "disavow, disavow, disavow".
they will disavow whatever their overlords tell them to. Punching Nazis is whats hot now, nevermind all the rappers that are actual criminals or the rock stars that are actual pedophiles, those guys are fine/
@@midwesternabyss679 except that it is a manufactured controversy where everyone and their grandmother are labeled as neo nazis for daring to have opinions that deviate from the mainstream. The real neo-nazis are a minority that consist of larping feds and inbred retards. The people being attacked are normal everyday people that refuse to comply to corporate fascism and censorship. I have a feeling from your simple comment that you are part of the problem. Would you punch my grandmother because your corporate overlords tell you she is a neo-nazi? I would not harm actual neo-nazis. That shit is real fascism.
I think part of it is that people relate more to racism and sexual harassment than they do to violence and murder. No one alive knows what it feels like to be murdered, but many know what discrimination and harassment feels like.
@@resmiintelect5994 nah, I wouldn't punch your grandma. Just like I wouldn't punch my dad knowing that he's against interracial dating. Just like I hope no one would punch me for being against the mainstream myself. But the fact of the matter is, is that racism of any kind is wrong, and people should know that.
I lost a lot of respect for Banger after that DSO review. They basically just put themselves in the same muckraking sandbox that MetalSucks plays in. Haphazard research for the sake of clicks and Patreon donations.
Tbh this is overreacting, DsO isn’t peste noire level by any means and people should just get over people having contrasting political views and enjoy the music
This is a great video that everyone whose opinion on DSO is influenced by Aspa's politics should watch. DSO are not NSBM by any definition, and like you said, calling people who aren't Nazis Nazis is bad and has the potential to make the word lose its meaning. However, I do think there's a line that, when crossed, warrants that label (or "Neo-Nazi" in more formal contexts), and as an individual Aspa has crossed it. Even so, for the majority of his output the label "Neo-Nazi music" would be incorrect. I'm pretty far-left myself and think bigotry should be revealed and rejected, but it's incomprehensible to me how people can drop bands they like because they disagree with them politically or whatever, especially in cases where it's just one member being racist or something and the lyrics aren't about that shit... and even if it's lyrics, if the message doesn't resonate with the listener, why is it a big deal? Just say "I disagree with the message, but the music sounds good". Keep it a guilty pleasure if that's what it takes. In many cases there's also a whole lot of ambiguity due to shock value. Because sometimes shock value includes Nazi references, it can in some cases be hard to know for sure whether a band is actually NSBM or not, and personally I think it's best to make it as clear as possible even at the risk of alienating fans. I mean, if a band are not Neo-Nazis, they probably don't want their fanbase to be made up of Neo-Nazis, and if a band actually are Neo-Nazis, they probably don't want fans that they wish were dead. (Ironically NSBM fans are often among the first to go "X IS NOT NSBM" whenever there's a controversy, considering they spend the rest of their time arguing that bands that are obviously not NSBM are NSBM. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, I guess...) Anyway, Aspa is a great vocalist with a unique voice and style. Nothing can negate that. He's the perfect vocalist for DSO and it's a shame anyone has a problem with the band because of him. Presumably a lot of the same people have no problem listening to Mayhem or even Burzum, so it can also get kind of hypocritical.
I love black metal but know little about DSO so you're comment was helpful for me. I agree 1) leftist politics is best politics and 2) art can and should be separated from artists most of time. If the lyrics were fascistic it would take very good music for me to want to keep listening because sod listening to fascist nonsense. Glad to know that's not the case here. Also noticed a lot of bands preach fascism not because they believe it but just to shock, which I find immature and sad / try-hard, not to mention the part it plays in encouraging fash to mobilise and oppress - never a good thing. IMO it doesn't even fit the ethos of black metal culture, which is all about free expression and rebellion against theocratic conservative oppression of said expression while neo-nazis and other fascists are the ultimate conformers and simps to authority and its bullshit traditions.
You lay down with dogs, you get fleas. Or, don't work with Nazi's or pedophiles if you don't want your work tainted with their shit. That's common fucking sense. DSO has no one to blame but themselves.
@@Scrinwaipwr who do you think started using simps as an insult first nigga? Also lol at a self proclaimed leftist calling muh fascists and neo nazis ultimate comformers tell me you were born privileged without telling me you were born privileged
Great job, man. 1. We have known all of this shit about Mikko Aspa for a long time. The new interview cleared up a lot about the political vision of DsO and Hasjarl himself. 2. But there is an important point for me here: Even in the case that DsO and Hasjarl were nazis, we the left people we can not do another thing to admire Hasjarl´s astonishing music work. It is so unattainable by the rest of guitar players of the wolrd (nor just extreme guitar players) in terms of originality, atmosphere, novelty and skill that we WOULD HAD TO SPEAK ABOUT IT we wanted or no. Just Horror Ilogium from Portal is at a similar level. The rest of us guitar players are shit in comparison with these two geniuses, that´s a fact... no matter what their political visions are. We have to listen to them and shut our mouths. 3. As Zappa said: SHUT UP AND PLAY YOUR GUITAR.
What ever happened to just saying I don't like Mikko Aspa but Deathspell still make good music? Wait what am I saying that wouldn't give people something to make a fuss about.
Because back then, nobody gave two shits. But in this day in age, everyone is so obnoxiously PC and have to shame people for doing the 'separate the art from the artist'.
For some reason, people have a hard time to detach a person's work from the person. This has always annoyed me, since I've never idolized any entity, but instead, I simply think that there's good and bad things to almost everything, heck, I could even give credit to parts of the Bible, where credit is due.
Say what you want about Mikko Aspa and his involvement with Deathspell Omega, but the fact remains that DsO is easily one of the most important, original and influential bands in all of extreme metal, and there is much value to be had in the genius of their music. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water...
Are his vocals so unique that they really couldn’t hire someone else though? If he’s just a vessel and has no creative influence, then he should be easily replaceable.
@@emmanarotzky6565 his vocals are unique, and fit DsO perfectly, but if you read the interview with the band, it’s stated that part of the reason they continue to work with him is that this tension fires the creative juices. As an Artist myself, I totally understand what they mean, because sometimes I work with other artists with whom I have disagreements with, whether they be political or whatever, and that sense of tension can be invigorating in a way that isn’t present when I work with more “agreeable” sorts. Of course this kind of nuance will be completely lost on the broader culture, but it’s a reality for many artists
@@leperlord7078 I can’t remember which one, but there are only like 4 interviews with the band, so it shouldn’t be hard to find. They are interesting reads, so if you’re a fan I highly recommend them!
I've listened to deathspell omega and clandestine blaze, and never cared to know who the members were. Why would I? I'm only interested in the music, if these people are looking for fangirl or fanboy groups, they are in the wrong genres. Ironically the quote from the interview doesn't implicate someone as nazi as much as it does make them more offensive (intentional, I'm sure).
as he stated in the post hes comfortable with the Burzum review up because he stated in a disclaimer in the beginning of the review that Burzum is "controversial" so in all honestly i understand where he's coming from on that standpoint
@@wyattxhim i can see you point i just don't think that his argument on deathspell holds if you consider that his stands against deathspell posture doesn't apply to burzum as well since they basically come from the same place.It's too convenient for me, which also make me think that the burzum review is there for it's more of traffic move more than anything.
Okay but why the child abuse tag? Did banger mean a noise project like Whitehouse or were they being literal? And while we're on the subject, any thoughts on Dagon's controversy?
@@leperlord7078Mikko Aspa has a (I believe now retired) project called Nicole 12, he has an extensive interview talking about it in an issue of Bardo Methodology, and it is also listed on Metal Archives if I'm not mistaken. Zero point in explaining any further than that, reading that article will give you 100% of the context.
Also I find it funny theneedledrop deleted the deathspell review for being controversial but deathspell aren’t political but has his vektor reviews and the reviews you mentioned that he’s talked pretty positively of not saying vektor or Disma are political but aren’t they controversial too ?
You are extremely on point dude i appreciate this video. You make a lot of good points and its too easy to just cast stones right now. Also funny its more of a trend because most of these people disowning these bands used to buy their records, merchandise and attend shows. So I'm extremely neutral on the whole thing. Music can be dangerous. Like the internet in general isn't dangerous?
I also found it (the last album’s lyrics) a bit fringe, kinda triggered I just now learnt this was a thing, sucks cause I was considering buying a tshirt, anyhow - PARACLETUS IS A MASTERPIECE
personally, i don't give a fuck about DSO's political preference. I ain't sitting with them. I'm a fan of their music, being what they're about with that and how they've perform it and I'm a black guy.
I'm here cause Anthony took the review down. I'm more likely to listen to something if someone says 'I took it down cause I don't want to get cancelled'. Free thinking is necessary to live.
Everything on the right of Trotsky is NSBM, even if its not metal. Not a fan of deathspell omega and i'm tempted to buy the album just because those shmucks said not to buy it.
The knee-jerkiness regarding black metal just makes me as a leftist, hate other leftists for weaponizing political correctness. It’s just opportunism at the end of the day and it accomplishes nothing. DSO is one of my favorite black metal bands and I will continue to listen to them while advocating anti-fascism.
My two cents on this whole DsO situation from almost 3 years ago is this: I don't like them as people (and the Finnish guy is a trashbag of a human being), but they are such a talented and forward-thinking band that has spawned LEAGUES of imitators over the years that it would be foolish to just brush 'em off just because the one vocalist happens to be a neo-Nazi. However, on the other hand, I can understand why Blayne from BANGERTV would feel this way; I get it. But he should have explained it a little more than just simply brushing it off like that. Kudos to you, Wyatt, for taking on this uncomfortable topic on your own terms!
I hope needle drop and the other channel(no idea what their name is) responds to this video. I love anthony’s content but he normally does a lot of research before reviews. Edit: I never understand why people who have a distaste for a group/person/etc will bring attention to them by calling them out. The best thing to do is to not talk about that person.
Nazis don’t necessarily “hate” POC as much as they hate Jews. Don’t get it twisted; they see us as inferior, but they will work with other minorities, so long as they aren’t Jewish.
@@emberducati9237 Funny, last time I checked the Wehrmacht was full of Germans with J-ish descent and the Christian ones had the same treatment of any other German, not even talking about how the whole 'master race" is just propaganda crafted from a single mistranslated speech. Isn't the Talmud the one that actually explicitly calls non Js inferior insects and cattle that exist only to serve them?
How could you possibly run out of bands to listen to in a world were even within the "underground" there's millions upon millions of bands?! You just have to know where to look!
@@Axxa3095 Thunderfist294 Thunderfist thunderfist try youtube. Back in the day, I used to browse blogs on Google, but that was in my illegal downloading days. Now I try to support every artist I love in some way, so I use bandcamp to stream (or get digital copies) and youtube, and then if they have a physical release, I'll buy it. As far as channels on youtube, black metal promotions and greg biehl are my top two go to's.
Great video! So glad that UA-cam recomended me this. Agree with you in all points. Miko Aspa just sings, Hasjarl is the main creativity force of the band. Start 'hating' a band just for statements that are not even in DsO's lyrics anywhere is pretty stupid. One thing is this guy and other DsO.
Personally my stance here is that I'd rather not listen than be wilfully blind. I think the latest album blew up in controversy, due to it having more fringe lyrics. I get that people claim it's satire, but it's still a grey area for interpretation. Also if Asspa is so non essential to DsO they could just get a new vocalist. I get people won't like that but if they truly want to distance themselves from these claims that's the way. I think people are ignoring the red flags here just cuz they love the music so much. I do completely agree on TND portion, he handled it terribly. If he actually cared about the politics he'd make a video addressing the controversy and NSBM itself. He also continues to have poor priorities, like he made a video on Ariel Pink being shitty due to politics. But he fails to address the numerous sexual assault allegations against Sun Kil Moon, Mark Kozelek, a band he's given two 9 ratings. People can listen to what they want regardless of the creators views. Personally I wouldn't stand up for someone or a band with extreme ties. Just like how I wouldn't stand up for Mark Kozelek masturbating in front of his fans.
So you don’t support freedom of expression? Or anything that goes against your idea of right and wrong? You sound like someone that has the true fascist leanings like many of the individuals with your same mindset. Ironic to say the least.
Haven't even gotten around to listening to this album yet. But, because of all this controversy going around I decided to go ahead and buy the LP. Thanks bangertv!
Damn Wyatt you're a real one!! Where have all the sane and sensible people gone to? Thank you for speaking your mind regarding these things, its a fresh drink of water on a desert of bullshit!!
That Banger review legitimately hurt my brain cells, even called them out for it and mentioned the interview which I read two times. So damn good. Don't care about Fantano so I didn't know he reviewed it. So whoever says DSO are a Nazi band is a fucking moron and more and more people are jumping on that boat. Glad this is up, gonna send it to a few people.
Furthermore, I would like to adress what you said about the power of a word, it's very scary seeing so many words like Nazi, rape, fascist, pedos being thrown around like it's nothing. Their frequency lessens their potency, they lose their weight so to speak and many don't realize the implications. Stupidity is boundless but now we have the internet. These are absurdly funny times we're living in and I am not talking about politics exclusively. The amount of morons online is staggering and considering how much info is on our disposal, that makes everything even more absurd. Keep up the good work as always Wyatt, cheers dude!
Preach it.
For the record, Banger TV never used the terms "NSBM" or "nazi" in their video.
Bill Hansen “Nazi punks fuck off” on the skulls of their rating system. Which seems to me they did use that word “Nazis”
@@BillHansenTheMetalEvangelist Those cunts called DsO 'white power pedophiles'.
Zes Zes Zes Haha ya seriously.....they didn’t specifically say “Nazi” though
Deathspell Omega = one of the best Black Metal bands ever
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Undeniably. I am not even into Black Metal so much, but I consider DSO as one of the best musical acts I have ever heard in my life. Drought changed how I looked at metal music.
Absolutely
The idea that the new DsO has bad lyrics is fucking laughable. The Furnaces of Palingenesia is one of very few metal albums where the lyrics make out one of the most important parts of the listening experience. That guy at Banger is a brainlet.
i generally agree that art should be separated from the artist, especially when the band clearly isn't talking about what makes the separation needed, but there are a few things to note here:
for one, i don't think fantano is entirely ungrounded for what he did. like any other person, he doesn't know everything about everything he enjoys (in both the case of deathspell omega and assumably disma as well) and i admit too that i had been a fan of the band for a while before finding out mikko aspa's ties to nsbm. and if you really read what he said in his community post, he doesn't have a problem with listening to music made by people with those ties or a problem with reviewing it. he just wanted to be able to address the ties, so people would know who they're supporting by streaming and purchasing the record.
but some people might not have a problem with that. as stated in the video, mikko aspa is the only one in the band who share those political views, and the other members who don't necessarily agree aren't willing to let them get in the way of the music. by cutting off support for one member, you cut off support for all of them, even if they don't deserve it. though i can see the argument being made for not wanting to support people who are willing to put up with aspa's views.
things like this all just fall into very personalized opinion stuff i think, and it's wrong to condemn someone i think for not wanting to listen to a band because of aspa's views and/or not wanting to support them. the bangertv dudes were definitely wrong for presenting the information in a very all encompassing way, and for dismissing the band's undeniably impressive skill and the music's pretty blatant message, but i can't say that mikko's actions aren't worth discussing.
and i think the general "how are you getting offended and you're a black metal fan???" remark being shared in the comments is a bit laughable, as the genre has kind of outgrown its intended purpose in the advent of the internet, and having an interest in a specific style of music shouldn't reflect your association with the culture. you may want to keep it for yourself and have black metal only be what you want it to be, but there comes a point when you have to accept the impossible nature of that, and just know that what the genre might mean to you won't always mean the same to someone else, and that enforcing your perspective onto someone else will ultimately lead to the segregation of those perspectives, which means we could never get another band like deathspell omega!
tl;dr - media is cut up into two segments: the art (the music itself) and the product (the context and stuff). deathspell omega is a great band who have a terrible person sing for them, and you should/do have the right to let that affect your opinion on the band and whether you're willing to give them your money on the product, but don't let that inherently shape how you view the art
Agreed
Would you listen to Lost Prophets now? Where's the line?
@@mrmildman2370 the “line” is up to each individual and where they personally choose to draw it. There is no universal line that applies to everybody in terms of where to stop separating the art from the artist. Each person has to decide their own line for themselves.
@@mrmildman2370 why would you want to listen to a shit band with a shit singer? The problem arises when the art is good
the entire "how can you dislike nazis but like black metal??" argument is just an extremely basic view on black metal that a lords of chaos fan would agree with. black metal isn't just "ohhh we're so evil and we hate", black metal can be depressive, nihilistic, anti religion, hell sometimes even pro religion or discussing social issues even if it's rare. and hate doesn't always mean hate towards specific groups. black metal's hate is more towards the world and life in general. and imagine if we used this argument for genres like death metal or goregrind? "how can you dislike murder and torture if you're into goregrind??", looks pretty silly now doesn't it?
Smells like... weakness
Thanks for being a voice of reason and logic on this man.
Well said. I honestly didn't know much of the history of DsO members when I first listened to them. I just know that I freaking love their music.
...and now I am going to listen to Deathspell Omega \m/
Just listened to Paracletus for the first time. I loved it. I need to know more about this band.
You have to listen to it at least 50 more times.
This was such a necessary video and I highly agree with your statements! It would be such a shame if the band is going to fall off due to an individual who has a controversial background, as if it applies to all of the band members, whose lyrical content has nothing to do with anything you can find in a Mikko Aspa solo project. You have all the right in the world to not support them in any way, but when you are a supposed big name in the music community whose opinion is heard by a lot of people, you have to be more careful with your research and how you label an entire band. And theneedledrop and especially BangerTV could have handled this situation way better, but instead, like you said, it's like they make DsO fans look guilty just by listening to this album!
It's nice to see someone having a clear headed view on the whole DsO and NSBM thing here. I suspect that it's still going to blow even more out of proportion and ironically mean the album will be more successful.
Also, I believe they confirmed their was a fourth member in that interview (drummer)? Perhaps just a session musician. But you can speak with the bassist on some metal forms.
The drummer is the main guys (Hasjarl/Christian's) brother.
@@GyroLamb Do you have any information on this? I believe the only source of information that's been provided is that Khaos is Hasjarl's brother.
Taurus Mortuus why not aid DsO in keeping any knowledge of their “secular” lives a secret?
To be able to make such a mark on underground musick and French art as a whole, and only ever do a couple of interviews(conducted by factions of the old guard of black metal and the esoteric.
No corpse paint antics in the woods...
No going back and forth with civilians online,that will always be beneath them.
No spamming social media with merch and videos of them rehearsing (which is one of the lamest things the internet has brought out of “black metal” musicians.
They’re not interested in ingratiating their fans.
It’s pretty boring
God I hate Fantano
Thank you for doing such an informed and straight forward review!
Great vid, love your channel keep up the good work. Purchased FAS on vinyl the other day. Album SLAYS
Thanks for the link to this great interview - I just learned of this controversy and the interview is crystal clear on the subject.
We need more artists that operate beyond the kindergarten level of the good vs evil narrative.
You just gained a subscriber. Nice video my fellow logical human being.
You said something about Burzum and what's the other band?
Blayne is one of the reasons I stopped watching Banger TV. Too much politics with them. Deathspell Omega are amazing!!!
True.
The dude from Bangertv is lame
Pissypants fucking moralizer
that video made me wish i could knock his ass out. infuriating display of worthless virtue signaling.
I can't stand that little whiny bitch either.
Soyboy
Just a Canadian that’s all.
Can someone provide me the link of that Bangertv review? Can't find it out on their channel. Or was it taken out?
Such a shame that this so called "witchhunt" is still taking place within the metal scene.
ua-cam.com/video/KcEqTa8_7yA/v-deo.htmln
go to the 1 minute mark
I can't stand that blonde dude from Banger. He's by far the worst one. It's the icing on the cake that he's supposed to be a comedian but gets so offended at everything. Steve Hughes is the real metal comedian.
Slaughter Lord is god!!
jumpfart666 Steve Hughes is god!
He's fucking cancer.
Damn straight he is, a true metalhead
@@clitoralrosary9474 what makes you say that then
Last time I checked DSO have never confirmed their line up.
That was a phenomenal interview. Banger is hot garbage and I'm glad I bought most of Deathspells discography on wax. Extreme music must be free from censorship of any kind and people who say otherwise are not real fans.
It's very simple and not about "real" fans or anything imo. You either censor everything or censor nothing, otherwise people will look like idiots (which they do). I believe that any art form should be suspect to criticism but not censorship, no matter how controversial or stupid it is.
Censoring something would only ever lend it more potency if anything else.
Yeah there is no place in black metal for these "moralfags". They clearly think this is merely fashion
i really can't understand metalheads politically correctness, they listen to a genere born and grown with controversial lyrics and subversive point of view about everything; i don't think that furnaces of palingenesia is a political manifesto, it is a piece of art with a lyric narration that describes a world of horror, i don't see any militant intention in this album; there's nothing that can be seen as a realistic plan of changing the world or nothing like that. And even if there were i don't see any problem with that, goddamn it's just aesthetic experience. It is like even metalhead can't understand their genere, they behave like christian fundamentalist condemning hevy metal in the 80s. As an art lover i'm really sad about the public reception of what i think is one of the greatest metal album of the last years. Really guys, this makes me hate people much more than what a piece of music can do.
Because it's the norm:
In this current age, People love to pull Political correctness and them act like they're the ones in the write while demonizing others and forgetting about actual problems.
So true, there are too many people ruinning more and more the entire scene with their weakness.
I've been listening to DSO since 2004 and their music, lyrics and beliefs have never displayed anything even close to national socialist, neo-nazi topics at all.
I recently started getting into these guys. They sure do know how to make black metal
Gladly someone finally takes up sides with DsO, Its sad that Fantano decides to ditch the video of a album he truly liked (8/10) i am truly bothered that everyone focuses on Aspa who isnt even a official band member and only serves as a session member. i also found it pretty funny since they're latest album serves more as a mockery and rejection of Nazism. This music is not for weaklings who bind themselves to the morals of this society, And that there is more to it then being a left or right winged idiot.
@Kalervo Gummola The ona also encourages Anarchism.
Spoken like a true weakling.
When are people going to learn that controversy = publicity
BangerTV: Don't listen to DSO
Me: Well I'mma listen to it anyway.
Controversy creates cash
Thanks for sharing the link to the interview. That's all.
Doing research would imply being open-minded, which they aren't.
I find it hilarious that tnd and others will review rappers who openly brag about murder, advocate violence and various illegal activities. With zero disclaimers. Everyone knows and assumes that listening to those artists does not equal supporting their beliefs. but the second some non blm non leftist artist is even associated with controversy, its all "disavow, disavow, disavow".
they will disavow whatever their overlords tell them to. Punching Nazis is whats hot now, nevermind all the rappers that are actual criminals or the rock stars that are actual pedophiles, those guys are fine/
@@resmiintelect5994 I hope punching neo-nazis will always remain in fashion.
@@midwesternabyss679 except that it is a manufactured controversy where everyone and their grandmother are labeled as neo nazis for daring to have opinions that deviate from the mainstream. The real neo-nazis are a minority that consist of larping feds and inbred retards. The people being attacked are normal everyday people that refuse to comply to corporate fascism and censorship. I have a feeling from your simple comment that you are part of the problem. Would you punch my grandmother because your corporate overlords tell you she is a neo-nazi? I would not harm actual neo-nazis. That shit is real fascism.
I think part of it is that people relate more to racism and sexual harassment than they do to violence and murder. No one alive knows what it feels like to be murdered, but many know what discrimination and harassment feels like.
@@resmiintelect5994 nah, I wouldn't punch your grandma. Just like I wouldn't punch my dad knowing that he's against interracial dating. Just like I hope no one would punch me for being against the mainstream myself. But the fact of the matter is, is that racism of any kind is wrong, and people should know that.
Where did you get the vinyl from?
from the bands label directly
People like Fantano are "repulsed" by them? Brb buying their merch.
BUY the LP's of DSO are some of the BEST Booklets ever in music
Well said! And I have to ask what is the banner in the background?? Fucking awesome
I lost a lot of respect for Banger after that DSO review. They basically just put themselves in the same muckraking sandbox that MetalSucks plays in. Haphazard research for the sake of clicks and Patreon donations.
Wait, you had respect for BANGER TV in the first place? Lmao.
@@zlodrim9284 well they give DsO 5/5 in their another video
I've got to ask: where did you get that banner in the background at??
Mitochondrion (band) flag
What's the background album? I recognize it but can't place it
It’s a Mitochondrion flag
@@wyattxhim awesome
Tbh this is overreacting, DsO isn’t peste noire level by any means and people should just get over people having contrasting political views and enjoy the music
Absolutely fantastic video! You're turning into one of my favorite people I follow - remember the time when you used to annoy me sometimes.
This is a great video that everyone whose opinion on DSO is influenced by Aspa's politics should watch. DSO are not NSBM by any definition, and like you said, calling people who aren't Nazis Nazis is bad and has the potential to make the word lose its meaning. However, I do think there's a line that, when crossed, warrants that label (or "Neo-Nazi" in more formal contexts), and as an individual Aspa has crossed it. Even so, for the majority of his output the label "Neo-Nazi music" would be incorrect.
I'm pretty far-left myself and think bigotry should be revealed and rejected, but it's incomprehensible to me how people can drop bands they like because they disagree with them politically or whatever, especially in cases where it's just one member being racist or something and the lyrics aren't about that shit... and even if it's lyrics, if the message doesn't resonate with the listener, why is it a big deal? Just say "I disagree with the message, but the music sounds good". Keep it a guilty pleasure if that's what it takes.
In many cases there's also a whole lot of ambiguity due to shock value. Because sometimes shock value includes Nazi references, it can in some cases be hard to know for sure whether a band is actually NSBM or not, and personally I think it's best to make it as clear as possible even at the risk of alienating fans. I mean, if a band are not Neo-Nazis, they probably don't want their fanbase to be made up of Neo-Nazis, and if a band actually are Neo-Nazis, they probably don't want fans that they wish were dead.
(Ironically NSBM fans are often among the first to go "X IS NOT NSBM" whenever there's a controversy, considering they spend the rest of their time arguing that bands that are obviously not NSBM are NSBM. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, I guess...)
Anyway, Aspa is a great vocalist with a unique voice and style. Nothing can negate that. He's the perfect vocalist for DSO and it's a shame anyone has a problem with the band because of him. Presumably a lot of the same people have no problem listening to Mayhem or even Burzum, so it can also get kind of hypocritical.
I love black metal but know little about DSO so you're comment was helpful for me.
I agree 1) leftist politics is best politics and 2) art can and should be separated from artists most of time.
If the lyrics were fascistic it would take very good music for me to want to keep listening because sod listening to fascist nonsense. Glad to know that's not the case here.
Also noticed a lot of bands preach fascism not because they believe it but just to shock, which I find immature and sad / try-hard, not to mention the part it plays in encouraging fash to mobilise and oppress - never a good thing.
IMO it doesn't even fit the ethos of black metal culture, which is all about free expression and rebellion against theocratic conservative oppression of said expression while neo-nazis and other fascists are the ultimate conformers and simps to authority and its bullshit traditions.
You lay down with dogs, you get fleas. Or, don't work with Nazi's or pedophiles if you don't want your work tainted with their shit. That's common fucking sense. DSO has no one to blame but themselves.
@@Scrinwaipwr the pendulum swings.... even your lexicon is influenced by the knotseas lmao
@@bloodrain1776 uh huh, sure.
@@Scrinwaipwr who do you think started using simps as an insult first nigga? Also lol at a self proclaimed leftist calling muh fascists and neo nazis ultimate comformers tell me you were born privileged without telling me you were born privileged
Great job, man.
1. We have known all of this shit about Mikko Aspa for a long time. The new interview cleared up a lot about the political vision of DsO and Hasjarl himself.
2. But there is an important point for me here: Even in the case that DsO and Hasjarl were nazis, we the left people we can not do another thing to admire Hasjarl´s astonishing music work. It is so unattainable by the rest of guitar players of the wolrd (nor just extreme guitar players) in terms of originality, atmosphere, novelty and skill that we WOULD HAD TO SPEAK ABOUT IT we wanted or no. Just Horror Ilogium from Portal is at a similar level. The rest of us guitar players are shit in comparison with these two geniuses, that´s a fact... no matter what their political visions are. We have to listen to them and shut our mouths.
3. As Zappa said: SHUT UP AND PLAY YOUR GUITAR.
What ever happened to just saying I don't like Mikko Aspa but Deathspell still make good music? Wait what am I saying that wouldn't give people something to make a fuss about.
Because back then, nobody gave two shits. But in this day in age, everyone is so obnoxiously PC and have to shame people for doing the 'separate the art from the artist'.
Took the words out of my mouth!
For some reason, people have a hard time to detach a person's work from the person. This has always annoyed me, since I've never idolized any entity, but instead, I simply think that there's good and bad things to almost everything, heck, I could even give credit to parts of the Bible, where credit is due.
Good to know that I'm not the only one frustrated with this.
Say what you want about Mikko Aspa and his involvement with Deathspell Omega, but the fact remains that DsO is easily one of the most important, original and influential bands in all of extreme metal, and there is much value to be had in the genius of their music. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water...
Are his vocals so unique that they really couldn’t hire someone else though? If he’s just a vessel and has no creative influence, then he should be easily replaceable.
@@emmanarotzky6565 I honestly dont think anyone can replace him
@@emmanarotzky6565 his vocals are unique, and fit DsO perfectly, but if you read the interview with the band, it’s stated that part of the reason they continue to work with him is that this tension fires the creative juices. As an Artist myself, I totally understand what they mean, because sometimes I work with other artists with whom I have disagreements with, whether they be political or whatever, and that sense of tension can be invigorating in a way that isn’t present when I work with more “agreeable” sorts. Of course this kind of nuance will be completely lost on the broader culture, but it’s a reality for many artists
@@matternicuss Could u pls hook me up with that link/article interview where other members said that is why they continue to work with him?
@@leperlord7078 I can’t remember which one, but there are only like 4 interviews with the band, so it shouldn’t be hard to find. They are interesting reads, so if you’re a fan I highly recommend them!
I've listened to deathspell omega and clandestine blaze, and never cared to know who the members were. Why would I? I'm only interested in the music, if these people are looking for fangirl or fanboy groups, they are in the wrong genres. Ironically the quote from the interview doesn't implicate someone as nazi as much as it does make them more offensive (intentional, I'm sure).
Not to mention, he also reviewed In the Nightside Eclipse despite Faust murdering a homosexual.
Doooouble staaaandaaaards!
I normally like Banger, but GOD was this a huge misstep for them.
Liking BangerTV was your first misstep.
They gave Bodom's new album a freaking 3 star rating and called it "pop punk". Fuck Banger! That new album is a solid 4!
Well said Wyatt
what i think it's weird is that anthony took down the deathspell review but the burzum reviews still on the channel
as he stated in the post
hes comfortable with the Burzum review up because he stated in a disclaimer in the beginning of the review that Burzum is "controversial" so in all honestly i understand where he's coming from on that standpoint
@@wyattxhim i can see you point i just don't think that his argument on deathspell holds if you consider that his stands against deathspell posture doesn't apply to burzum as well since they basically come from the same place.It's too convenient for me, which also make me think that the burzum review is there for it's more of traffic move more than anything.
Okay but why the child abuse tag? Did banger mean a noise project like Whitehouse or were they being literal?
And while we're on the subject, any thoughts on Dagon's controversy?
i as well wonder about that pedo comment
Any word/explanation on that yet?
@@leperlord7078 idk
@@leperlord7078Mikko Aspa has a (I believe now retired) project called Nicole 12, he has an extensive interview talking about it in an issue of Bardo Methodology, and it is also listed on Metal Archives if I'm not mistaken. Zero point in explaining any further than that, reading that article will give you 100% of the context.
who is "the needle drop" ?
Deathspell Omega are producing excellent music, with lyrics which require above-SJW IQ. Their message goes beyond politics.
makes it funnier considering some act smug and denounce them because Muh pretentious
Banger tv is irrelevant to black metal
Best video on DsO ever!
Who is the member of Deathspell Omega ???
I love your channel so much, a genuine open minded individual who doesnt care for political correctness and knows how to seperate art and artist
Also I find it funny theneedledrop deleted the deathspell review for being controversial but deathspell aren’t political but has his vektor reviews and the reviews you mentioned that he’s talked pretty positively of not saying vektor or Disma are political but aren’t they controversial too ?
How are Vektor political in some controversial way ?
where can i listen to sturmfuhrer
Thank you for your job
I have never heard dso before but i will now thats for sure!
Anders Johansson how was it
You are extremely on point dude i appreciate this video. You make a lot of good points and its too easy to just cast stones right now. Also funny its more of a trend because most of these people disowning these bands used to buy their records, merchandise and attend shows. So I'm extremely neutral on the whole thing. Music can be dangerous. Like the internet in general isn't dangerous?
I'm gonna buy the new album to suppor DSO.
WTF was with the "pedophile" accusation by Banger TV?
Is there any controversy i missed?
mikko aspa had a noise project about pedophilia
Didn't DsO already have one vocalist who left because he didn't agree with their change in ideology? I remember reading that somewhere.
He didn't agree with them going for orthodox Satanism, not because of some Political ideology.
Made me wanna check out Deathspell Omega.
UA-cam got my Nicole 12 video down :(
Very nice videos you got there.
Nice to see u around pal.
I also found it (the last album’s lyrics) a bit fringe, kinda triggered I just now learnt this was a thing, sucks cause I was considering buying a tshirt, anyhow - PARACLETUS IS A MASTERPIECE
In the interview they revealed that the French "core" of the band is apolitical. It's the other part of the collective that is into politics.
Great video man
Right before I watched this I got an ad from a German insurance company lol
personally, i don't give a fuck about DSO's political preference. I ain't sitting with them. I'm a fan of their music, being what they're about with that and how they've perform it and I'm a black guy.
Great video wyatt
I'm here cause Anthony took the review down. I'm more likely to listen to something if someone says 'I took it down cause I don't want to get cancelled'. Free thinking is necessary to live.
Everything on the right of Trotsky is NSBM, even if its not metal. Not a fan of deathspell omega and i'm tempted to buy the album just because those shmucks said not to buy it.
The knee-jerkiness regarding black metal just makes me as a leftist, hate other leftists for weaponizing political correctness. It’s just opportunism at the end of the day and it accomplishes nothing. DSO is one of my favorite black metal bands and I will continue to listen to them while advocating anti-fascism.
Paracletus - the best of DSO
Fantano’s vids are monetized and YT is prob his main source of income so he prob didn’t want to risk losing subscribers and his channel altogether.
Scott Shepard but then that begs the question on why he has the other DSO reviews up
Wyattxhim hmm true..
i just became a big DSO fan now
I like Deathspell Omega. It's like King Crimson bonkers set to black metal. I also like Abigor. That is all.
thank you for this video, the banger and needledrop statements are so hypocritical and under-researched
Just false outrage, predictable and boring.
This is the same person that gave Rivers of Nihil negative review.
That band does suck tho 😆😆
My two cents on this whole DsO situation from almost 3 years ago is this: I don't like them as people (and the Finnish guy is a trashbag of a human being), but they are such a talented and forward-thinking band that has spawned LEAGUES of imitators over the years that it would be foolish to just brush 'em off just because the one vocalist happens to be a neo-Nazi. However, on the other hand, I can understand why Blayne from BANGERTV would feel this way; I get it. But he should have explained it a little more than just simply brushing it off like that. Kudos to you, Wyatt, for taking on this uncomfortable topic on your own terms!
I hope needle drop and the other channel(no idea what their name is) responds to this video. I love anthony’s content but he normally does a lot of research before reviews.
Edit: I never understand why people who have a distaste for a group/person/etc will bring attention to them by calling them out. The best thing to do is to not talk about that person.
I couldn’t have said anything better
I've bought records from Mikko Aspa many times. It's a good store.
I was listening to my inquisition lp last night. Not even my puerto rican half got offended its weird
Nazis don’t necessarily “hate” POC as much as they hate Jews. Don’t get it twisted; they see us as inferior, but they will work with other minorities, so long as they aren’t Jewish.
@@emberducati9237 Funny, last time I checked the Wehrmacht was full of Germans with J-ish descent and the Christian ones had the same treatment of any other German, not even talking about how the whole 'master race" is just propaganda crafted from a single mistranslated speech. Isn't the Talmud the one that actually explicitly calls non Js inferior insects and cattle that exist only to serve them?
@@opiumlover91 I dunno man, there is a lot of religious text out there that says horrible things.
@@opiumlover91 the Nazis absolutely believed in Natural Hierarchy and Hitler was a fan of concepts like the Hindu Varnashrama.
Uh-oh, sounds like you got caught out there Wyatt.
I'm running out of black metal bands to listen to, could you recommend some underground black metal bands?
How could you possibly run out of bands to listen to in a world were even within the "underground" there's millions upon millions of bands?! You just have to know where to look!
Edward K., Where do I look?
@@Axxa3095 The internet is at your disposal, why don't ya use it.
@@Axxa3095 Thunderfist294 Thunderfist thunderfist try youtube. Back in the day, I used to browse blogs on Google, but that was in my illegal downloading days. Now I try to support every artist I love in some way, so I use bandcamp to stream (or get digital copies) and youtube, and then if they have a physical release, I'll buy it. As far as channels on youtube, black metal promotions and greg biehl are my top two go to's.
Metal Archives...
Wow i like them even more now
I’m gonna listen to it now lol
Who cares as long as they play their instruments to the level of madness.
Great video! So glad that UA-cam recomended me this. Agree with you in all points. Miko Aspa just sings, Hasjarl is the main creativity force of the band. Start 'hating' a band just for statements that are not even in DsO's lyrics anywhere is pretty stupid. One thing is this guy and other DsO.
You don’t have to agree with someone’s politics to enjoy their art/music anyway!
Deathspell Omega Are New Super Mario Bros ?????
Great Job. Couldn‘t agree more.
Now I like them even more 👍🏻
Personally my stance here is that I'd rather not listen than be wilfully blind. I think the latest album blew up in controversy, due to it having more fringe lyrics. I get that people claim it's satire, but it's still a grey area for interpretation.
Also if Asspa is so non essential to DsO they could just get a new vocalist. I get people won't like that but if they truly want to distance themselves from these claims that's the way. I think people are ignoring the red flags here just cuz they love the music so much.
I do completely agree on TND portion, he handled it terribly. If he actually cared about the politics he'd make a video addressing the controversy and NSBM itself. He also continues to have poor priorities, like he made a video on Ariel Pink being shitty due to politics. But he fails to address the numerous sexual assault allegations against Sun Kil Moon, Mark Kozelek, a band he's given two 9 ratings.
People can listen to what they want regardless of the creators views. Personally I wouldn't stand up for someone or a band with extreme ties. Just like how I wouldn't stand up for Mark Kozelek masturbating in front of his fans.
So you don’t support freedom of expression? Or anything that goes against your idea of right and wrong? You sound like someone that has the true fascist leanings like many of the individuals with your same mindset. Ironic to say the least.
disagreeing with the art should be a sign that you're not cut out for it, good riddance and such
Haven't even gotten around to listening to this album yet. But, because of all this controversy going around I decided to go ahead and buy the LP. Thanks bangertv!
Good take.
Damn Wyatt you're a real one!! Where have all the sane and sensible people gone to? Thank you for speaking your mind regarding these things, its a fresh drink of water on a desert of bullshit!!