Ranking EVERY Primary Weapon Tierlist After Patch Helldivers 2 Polar Patriots Update
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
- What is the best primary weapon? I tested all main weapons against both factions. Showing the best primary's for Bile Titans and Chargers, as well as all automatons and terminids. We also included the new warbond from the update. #helldivers2
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00:00 Ranking All Primary Weapons
00:24 How my tierlist is ordered
01:52 Liberator
02:36 Liberator Penetrator
03:10 Liberator Concussive
03:57 Tenderizer
04:43 Adjudicator
05:55 Blazing Boost
06:27 Diligence
07:31 Diligence Counter Sniper
09:00 Defender
10:18 Pummeler
12:43 Punisher
14:08 Slugger
15:06 Breaker
16:53 Breaker Spray and Pray
17:47 Incendiary Breaker
19:42 Explosive Crossbow
21:41 Dominator
23:04 Eruptor
24:01 Punisher Plasma
25:54 Blitzer
27:21 Scythe
29:13 Sickle
31:03 Scorcher
32:21 Purifier - Ігри
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Wish they would give the Breaker more bullets..... like its GOOD, but man you are just CONSTANTLY reloading the god dame thing. Id go so far as to give it 18 rounds per clip. Hell Put it back up to 15 rounds, their was NOTHING wrong with the gun.... plus its STILL A SHOTGUN, best used at close range (IE BUG CLEAR KING, Less so for BOTS). Like i will use the PUNISHER over the BREAKER just cus I'm not constantly reloading.
Fun fact, the Spray and Pray fires BIRD SHOT! Yes really, it actually says that. At least it makes for a good Anti Aircraft Gun vs all those Shrikers...... OR you can not be a dumb ass and just nuke the nest from the other side of the map with a RPG.
The Crossbow is pretty fun in my option, its basically a Silent mid range sniper. Not grate, but its fun at least.
Edit: your not crazy, the Scythe has always been grate vs BOTS since its just POINT AND KILL. But yeah that Scope SUCKS!
Laser Turret when?
I want all Lasers!
The devs skipping to the end to see what weapon to gut next
Lol the last gun is a hated gun
😂😂
Alexus* skipping to the end
@@braixendon5496We must do something about him.
They'll just gut everything based on number of users, all the while player numbers (the only number that matters) continue to go down sharply until they are left in the Destiny situation where nobody plays and the game dies. They are already going pretty quickly down that path. The balance person doesn't even play the game clearly because if they did the nerfs would be much less severe.
You gotta stop telling the devs which guns are good.
Alex is gonna wipe his ass with this tier list
I'm sure they got analytics. So they already know what guns are considered great.
Lol
Nah I hope they go by this list. The guns I love he says are average and the ones I think are meh or even garbage he says is good so I’m okay.
@@nw3413 who? Lmfao
Alexus: "That's a nice list you got there, it'd be a shame if someone was to nerf the ones you like..."
Don't you dare
This Alexus working with automatons for sure
@@noble_lemon I hope he doesn't work for much longer
That fucking narcissistic twerp, i just wish he gets canned just like that neckbeard Spitz did.
Don't you put that evil on us Ricky Bobby!
Oh yes, I too enjoy weapons like [redacted] and find [redacted] especially fun to use.
If you say your fav weapon name the devs have a 50 50 chance of gutting it then throwing it in the trash
Eruptor my beloved 😢
I felt like the first nerf was adequate, then the second killed it
F
Worst change in the game so far imo
They should’ve just removed the reflective mechanic. I’ve never seen it work for any weapon but that.
Hate what they did to the eruptor.
8:50 "a lot of people are enjoying this weapon right now" - haven't you heard? "Sharing your fun will nerf the gun! Do your part and zip your lips!" 😅🤣😂
loose lips sink ships
I'm doing my part!
All guns are bad and nerfed..who uses sniper anyways? 😂 thats one usles teammate standing 2 hills behind triping his helping 😂
I really hope they don't nerf DCS, my beloved.
@@georgi1905 that "useless teammate" with the sniper rifle is clearing out waves of devastators from a safe distance so you don't die when you run in like an idiot
As someone who used Punisher Plasma against bots religiously before the buff, I can attest that it did take so getting use to. However it was just as strong then as it is now. The only difference is that the handling is WAY better now. The projectile speed is up, making it much easier to hit targets and cover greater distances. Love it so much.
I agree and I always said this too. But they also buffed the splash radius so the outer area gets the fall splash damage, it doesn't have damage drop off at the edges
It’s awesome. It can take out a group of chaff bots quicker than anything else out there. Plus it can stagger all of the higher level bots leaving them open for your teammates to kill them, or switching over to the AMR to pop off a headshot.
@@TylerWardhahadude, yesterday there was a group of troopers so big that my teammate decided to toss an eagle on them. By the time his eagle marker had landed there were none left. 3 shots from the plasma and all 12 were dead.
While I do agree the Plasma Punisher is probably the best gun against bots, against bugs, even at challenging difficulty, it has too little ammo and the shots tend to detonate on corpses instead of hitting the target nearby or behind the big corpses.
As bots break to pieces, that isn't an issue but bug corpses tend to litter and far too many bugs do well at closing the distance, forcing me into using the machine pistol a lot and running out of ammo.
@@firedrapeon6012 It's great against bugs as well. It bullies Brood commanders into oblivion and it absolutely wrecks when you just spam fire it into a breach. It works very nicely in tandem with the grenade pistol to take out bile spewers as well (grenade + 1-2 plasma shots wipes them). Plus, in a pinch, it can kill Chargers and Titans through damaged armor. It may be a little ammo hungry, but it's still highly effective. It's not uncommon for me to pop off for 500ish kills and no deaths.
I really like how the ranking splits up use cases (especially vs bug or bot) rather than generic f-a/s tiers
Thank you I feel it offers more value and better description, as well as being higher effort to provide that value
"pummeler can stun lock anything below a charger". Fun fact! it can also stun lock chargers and hulks if shot in their weakspots. If you continuously shoot a charger in the butt or if its armor is shot off then you stun lock it. Hulks get stun locked if you shoot their back continuously. I love this gun against the bugs
Yeah I need to test it more!!!
Huh actually might have some utility if you were to stall for time for quasar cannon to go off cool down.
I love the precision strike, I think it's the best designed orbital in the game, and when combined with stun nades and now pummeler, it's an easy kill on charges and hulks. I love the LibCon, but wouldn't mind seeing it's stagger bright in line with the pummeler, that would make it perfect imo
I don't think you even need to hit weak spots tbh, not for chargers anyway. I stunned a charger mid charge shooting it's armour 😂. Prob be nerfed soon.
@@PaulK-ep4ng yes you do, unless you shoot their armor off the leg or something. Shooting their armor is useless
When "not that bad" & "average" used as the main descriptors for the weapons should be worrisome for the devs.
people are overdoing it, plenty of good options and many guns a small tweak off fully viable
@@captaintruth majority of weapons slightly skim the surface of being "average" most are sinking in a vat of shit while the devs call them "good" or "balance" because you can still see some of the weapon floating in said shit. dont get me started with dead in the shit water support weapons or stratagems like the machine guns and rocket turret.
I actually don't agree using the term average at all.,because in helldivers 2 case, average means bad. The average gun is really bad. Like the liberator, diligence, liberator penetrator, adjudicator etc... They are all pretty bad and kinda feel all the same. If I choose any of those guns, I feel like I'm handicapping myself and I don't find any of them unique or special, they all do the same thing and they don't work well.
The only guns that feel good and work well are the incendiary breaker (after the fire damage nerf, it feels over hyped now. It was nerfed by a lot), the sickle (barely. it's like a liberator with twice the mag size. But now lower damage.they should buff it to 60 since it has only 3 mags and to use it effectively, you have A LOT of downtime. The fact that it's "infinite" doesn't help much when the reload lasts 10 seconds, even if it's a passive reload. It's not a thing in it's favor ffs, for all the morons repeating that fact. I'd be way WAY happier if they made it a normal gun with 90-100 bullets in its mag, with 8 mags, instead of "infinite ammo" bs), the jar 5 dominator(for bots only. And barely as well. It's too clunky to use and hard to aim. Kinda bad when it has only 15 bullets in the mag, takes forever to reload and has a crazy kick).
Some other runs are good but are not there. Like the scorcher. Its kinda decent vs bots but lacks the impact that it should, like it's great vs striders (if and when it actually works) but it's inconsistent. Vs other bots it takes like a full mag sometimes and it's painful. Many times even the smaller enemies eat a shit, like they have force field around them.
Then the diligence counter sniper, which is good on paper but it's way too clunky and the handling is kinda bad. You have to hit heads or else it's like shooting blanks. Too situational in a game where you get swarmed.
FK it. They just need to reduce the enemy health at this point of every small and medium by 30% for starters.
Bile titans, chargers, stalkers, shriekers, hulks, tanks and big dogs can stay the way they are. But everything else is too spongy for what they are. Maybe they could give a 20% extra spawn rate so it's more fun as it stays difficult but you get to kill enemies instead of tickling them with half a mag to an entire mag. And stratagems would still be the best way because you could REALLY clean up a bunch of them.
Oh and the 500kg bomb needs a small buff to it's explosion radius. It's heart breaking to watch it land in the middle of 100 enemies and it gets 8 kills.
Or getting it to land right between the legs of titan and it shrugs it off like nothing. It should feel way more powerful than just a single elite target elite stratagem. It's used right now only to kill titans, maybe chargers, hulks and tanks. And it kinda works, 60% of the time, when perfectly timed and placed. Kinda lame for the biggest no b stratagem in the game. Same for the laser; It barely kills a single charger and titan, while it has only 3 uses and a 5 minutes cool down. It's the most overrated stratagem alongside the 500kg.
I'd rather get more enemies that are easier to kill over less but spongy enemies. And all they so far is buff enemies right except a nerf to their head health months ago.
@@kato093 Ppl considering the "Pummeler is op" says alot about the game current state.
@@kato093 the breaker incendiary can handle an entire bug breach aside from chargers and titans by its self... how is that over rated?
even on a fire planet on hell dive ive never used more than 3 heatsinks on a sickle and there is ammo all over the map and supply drops, it has good time to kill, great scope, great recoil and the infinite ammo is actually a think, its not just a think spouted by morons, you carry 3 weapons on you at a time, how about you prioritize targets and swap as needed, there is usually something you can kill with secondary or support weapon and by the time you do that sickle is already cooled down....
jar-5 its top tier, it hits like a truck, is accurate, the recoil when aiming down scope isnt much of an issue, while i certainly wouldn't bring it on purpose to bugs because of handling, much like the incendiary breaker its not awful when you do, high damage, high stagger, makes med enemies a joke
have you actually tried the counter sniper since last buff? its not just good on paper... they greatly reduced the mass and the handling is fantastic now... one shot devastators in the head one after another after another....
ill give you the 500kg needs a wider radius, make the radius as wide as eagle air strike without the last upgrade
i'll maybe give you the laser as well, either buff the damage a bit or remove the 3 charge limit, it already has a long cool down
no please don't nerf enemies any more than already has happened, if you shoot weak points they all go down quick
if you are having trouble hitting those weak points please go down a level or two and practice a bit more or adjust controller/mouse settings to find an easier control scheme that fits your play style better than default settings, don't make it so that people who want to have a skill based play style payoff lose any reason to play the game
they really gutted the erupter so hard i can't bear to use it anymore until they fix it if that even happens
The Purifier needs a rework. It needs to start at 200 damage and the damage increases as you charge, up to 350 damage (similar mechanic to the Railgun). But the fire rate with no charge needs to be slower than the Scorcher as to not replace it. It needs to have a risk vs reward feeling to charging up shots. It would fill a solid niche as an explosive type sniper replacement similar to how the Eruptor uses to perform but with less damage/explosive area to balance out the magazine size.
But thats just my idea.
Auto charge shot would be handy where it releases the shot for you as soon as it is loaded up. More of a conveince for casuals. It also doesnt feel like it has medium armor pen after testing maybe thats a bug but I just dont feel like it is working as intended.
Honestly it should start at at least 300, given the plasma shotty is 250. Then ramp up to like 500. And it'll prob be perfect. Although I'd have to test some stuff for real numbera
@@thiccfila I was just spitballing numbers so, same. But it definitely needs SOME sort of rework or something to be usable and not easily outclassed
@thiccfila that's exactly what I thought but like the explosive damages does 250 and the direct hit does like 450
@@NOVA-hd7lh that would be worth it comparing to other explosive weapons and other weapons with similar rates of fire
The scythe buff basically just made people try it again. It’s a dot dmg weapon 50 extra dmg per second didn’t really change any breakpoints when it was already doing 300 per second.
Would rather see the size of the beam increased to make it easier to stay on target and or give it a variable scope
I played with the scythe a lot before. The downside of laser weapons is you need a steady aim. Anytime you get flinched it sucks. The damage definitely helped it against bugs at least
@@thiccfila scythe was my go to weapon for about my first 100hrs in the game. I’m not killing anything any faster than I did before, it pops commander heads slightly faster
Scythe need a sniper scope. It pinpoint accuracy is rendered useles due to that shitass walmart reddot that is probably not even centered. If i could actually hit devastators heads with it from a distance it would be very solid weapon.
Alexus is watching this video and he is moving everything to average.
This is a solid upgrade to the tier list, you know the worst thing about the constant rebalancing? Is that you need to constantly retest stuff, cuz is interesting how a little change will swap weapons from awesome to awful and vice versa.. now, some might say it keeps game from getting stale, fine I agree, but ATST not everyone has the time to retest the whole arsenal every couple of weeks, not to mention that by design the game relies heavily on the relationship between primaries and stratagems/support-weapons...
(Note when I rebalancing I'm referring to the game as a whole, not just weapons)
I’m confused on why they didn’t give the purifier an actual scope , it’s supposed to the sniper variant of plasma weapons and I find it hard to hit weak points
Two things about both SMGs.
You can fire while moving, so hip fire. This lets you dodge attacks while shooting. It lets you play aggressive, move to the side of bugs armour and go for close up head shots.
The pummeled is especially good since it can stun lock even stalkers.
Top of the line weapon. I play on suicide difficulty . Max one death per mission .
fun fact, the pummeler can also stun lock chargers and hulks if fired on their weak spots
@@Mlgpug553
True. You should make a how to video on this weapon.
It is unique in many ways.
Shhh don't let them know, it'll get nerfed.
You also toggle settings to display reticle at all times which can allow you to aim while running much easier
ive also noticed that rather than flinching enemies, the pummeler dazes like an ems
Can we all agree that Marksman rifles should all deal at least 50 more damage than they currently do? It make no sense to me that a sniper rifle shot is dealing less damage than the liberator does in burst fire mode. At least the Anti Material Rifle feels pretty decent.
They all feel pretty decent now tbh. They just seem like bot weapons
@@thiccfila I'm just confused why diligence and diligence counter sniper are in the same tier while one is a devastator oneshot and one is a twoshot. There is zero reason to use the regular diligence atm imo.
I explained my list at the beginning. The top 4 tiers are good S and A, ordering left or right is more important for that. So counter sniper would be in S tier. But regular in A tier. Diligence is a fine pick for bots imo. It feels good.
@@peterdavids1206 I hate the counter compared to the regular diligence. The counter is just too clunky / horrible handling. I'll take the diligence all day over the counter.
Interesting
... ill try normal diligence @@KickMe1177
Slugger 1 taps devastator heads. It's not the best, but it's better than you give it credit against bots. It's a Diligence without the scoped zoom.
Yeah I might just be salty about the nerf could've gone on average
@@thiccfila I understand. They both nerfed the damage, and removed the stagger, in the same patch where they gave Dominator even more stagger, and even more damage. It didn't make any sense, and it ruined the feel of the gun. It's still useful, but it went from being one of the strongest bot weapons, to being very average. It used to be useful against bugs for single target, and staggering Stalkers, and the nerf made it equivalent to a slower firing diligence.
I competely agree. Slugger needs stagger back, that alone will be enough, imo, to bring it back to its former self. Plenty of other weapons now have stagger, and the slugger, considering its firing a singular shotgun slug round, should out of principle, have stagger.
😢And dont forget its damage!
DAMN YOU ALEXUS KRECHENKAV😢!¡!!!!!!!!@@jeremydorfschmidt1088
@@LeafMaltieze When I learned that the Balance Dev just plays on 3 and 4 difficulty I sorta hovered over the uninstall button for a bit. We play on Helldive primarily and its so eye opening now why a great deal of these nerfs dont make a lot of sense..... The Balance Dev has no clue what its like to play on harder difficulties.... (Also, that same dev made a few comments about only testing for about 15 minutes or so each time they test...... WOT!!!)
With the slight buff they did to the Adjuticator, it's great. Though pre-buff, I always thought "fix the scope and it'd be fine". I'll take the buffs though.
I didnt use it pre buff but im enjoying using it as well, nice to get away from breaker lol
Breaker Incendiary vs bugs is the only weapon in the entire game I have fun with
Arc Blitzer for me. Incredibly inconsistent but s tier when it's goes off without a hitch
Give the plasma punisher a try on bugs? Having a blast with it atm...
@@jakeg7033 clip size is way too small for me
Does the ship upgrade (+25% to fire damage) work on fire shotgun? I know its not mentioned in the list but considering how devs working...
@@noble_lemonit says it only works on strats. So its meant to have no effect on the breaker, but who fkn kows at this point 😂
Good. Y'all keep underestimating the Liberator Concussive until it gets buffed even more! Love it!
You're welcome
The RoF of 320 means this has a hard time killing anything besides fodder units.
@@Redguns4life That doesn't make any sense. RoF only influences time to kill not what you are able to kill.
The LC makes bug missions so much easier it's ridiculous. It pushes back whatever is trying to get to you so even if you're on your last few shots in the mag and don't have the damage to finish an enemy you still bought yourself some extra time and space vs Hunters and Stalkers.
If the Purifier got double damage and was maybe specialized towards single target damage and given the ability to hit Hulk eyes, shoot down gun shops, etc., I think it'd have a super solid niche.
Maybe drop its shots per magazine down a little to compensate, but if we had a primary that could handle some of the more heavily armored targets, I'd feel better bringing something like the MMG. It feels like I'm throwing if I don't have some kind of anti-tank, especially with randoms.
EDIT: meant to say gunships, not dropships, oops
Its crazy that Armalite is still making rifles in the late 22nd century. The Armalite 23 is still one of the best primaries in the game
The one thing the liberator concusive had going for it is its ability to stun stalkers. You can solo a stalkers nest without getting hit at all. Unfortunately, it sucks otherwise but damn is it nice to not get destroyed by stalkers.
It's also good for forcing things into an airstrike/DoT that are trying to escape. That said, I wouldn't mind seeing it stagger like the pummeler
I like your tiers system, with everyone so deep into S tiers lists it's refreshing to see someone gives a damn about different uses. Thank you
The Blitzer is in my opinion pretty good against bots. It's the king of bot crowd control as long as you kepp moving and as soon as you get used to how to control the spread of the beams.
You can actually get into close range with bots after clearing out the really big guys from range with stratagems, because everything other than Hulks, Tanks or Factory Striders will get stunlocked until it drops dead.
You can stunlock whole drops of chaf and Devastators. It can take out a group of chaf with 3-5 shots and a single Devastator with 2-3 well placed hits close up and 3-5 at max weapon range (all while stunning the other 3 Devastators next to it at the same time). Don't go for Heatsinks, go for heads and torso weakpoints. Struggles to damage Sriders but stuns them reliably, and does shit against Hulks and above, but for that you got stratagems.
“You’ll find out later it’s (Diligence) at the bottom of Great.”
Me finding out then and there, not later, that it’s at the bottom of Great.
Lmfao.
Ikr I was thinking something similar 😂
Honestly I LOVE the liberator concussive. Sure it doesn’t do much damage and the fire rate is slower but it’s not designed to be a damage dealer. It’s a get TF away from me tool that’s perfect for bugs chasing you. You turn around, shoot, stun lock them, empty your mag, then switch to your primary damage dealer. It’s my favorite for bug missions.
Well try the pummeler lol
I love it too, but as a fellow LibCon lover, let's go ahead and push to have it's stun brought in line with pummeler to make it better at its job.
You put a ton of work into this. Having two lists b/c of faction differences, and more categories than simple S-F was really in depth. Appreciate the effort you put in, GREAT vid.
Slugger is not bad against bots but you need to land headshots. It was way better before that massive nerf it had.
"Alexus joined the server."
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"Balance was kicked from the server."
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"Fun was killed."
The ergonomics of the tenderizer are excellent it feels so good to shoot unfortunately damage is blah
It's honestly just another liberator. I don't understand how it's not med armor pen tho
@@thiccfilaTo be fair if it was medium pen it'd be a way way better lib pen. Which would be nice bc lib pen sucks
Hey bro great work making the video and doing the analysis. I like that you ranked them different and in different situations, with different load outs. 👏🏼
Hey! :)
Thank you for taking the time to do this entire testing series and video. I have some new stuff I wanna try on both factions, mostly agree with everything here. I do hope our marksman rifles, assault rifles and some of the underperforming weapons in the new warbond.
Something I am currently testing and am wondering on thoughts on is the new impact incendiary grenade with it's break points, and also if the fire left on the ground doesn't last as long as the regular incendiary from steeled veterans. It does seem like enemies that walk on ground fire don't light up right now, but helldivers do which is kinda weird.
One thing i don't understand in people is praising a weapon that stunlocks enemies when you hit the weakspot, like... i'd rather it kill in one shot instead of wasting more time and bullets since some enemies have minuscule weakspots and they aren't alone most of the time for you to line shots anyway.
Yet this is also under the pretense that you are not alone in these engagements. So being able to stun lock the likes of berserkers or even brood commanders will let the others sweep through the rest of the trash mobs so they can take that down later with no difficulty.
It’s all part of how your combat ability benefits the team as a whole.
@@lolzism1 Well even if you say that, a dead enemy would be one less thing to deal with as a team...
@@Tamachii12 you can stun like 4 enemies at a time letting your team deal with them a lot easier. The thing shuts down devastators without needing to pick off a headshot. same concept as a stun grenade. you’re buffing your team’s TTK by reducing the enemy’s ability to return fire.
Lets pretend we cant miss, 100% accuracy.
Why use a similar gun that does light pen and more damage, over a gun that can stunlock most trash enemies with slightly less damage and the same light pen?
The normal gun might get more kills but there is a higher chance of bullshit happening because the only thing saving you is your kill power vs the other gun you still have kill power but now cc is also helping you.
Or are you comparing a horde weapon with cc to the dominator that is way more focused at single target but has light cc because its just stagger and not a full stun effect like the smg?
I've been loving Blitzer and spear for bugs as the Blitzer covers mid and small enemies and spear gets the titans and chargers if you stun them
I’ve been having fun with the Pummeler on Bots with the Ballistic Shield. It hard counters the shield bots and just about takes care of everything below a Hulk/Tank. The main weakness is the rocket bots. Nothing you can do there but run or destroy quickly.
Ive been running with the same loadout for the past week and I love it.
Liberator - really solid mob clear and the last damage buff just makes it feel so good.
Senator - really good to just whip out and dump 5 rounds into medium armor and then speed reload. Really helps with enemies the liberator can't pen. Most of them will die with 5 ish head/body shots and then you can just speed reload and switch back.
Qwaser cannon - even with the nerf, its very handy to switch to and take out a charger or assist with other heavy armor kills.
The whole loadout is just so flexible. Youre wiping mobs with your primary and then switching to secondary or power weapon to handle specific armored enemies.
The only strategem I always bring with this loadout is the orbital precision strike. With the upgrades, it one shots everything you need it too on a 90 second cooldown. Extremely reliable and consistent.
I usually bring impact grenades to handle spitters but the only weakness I sometimes feel with this set up is closing holes. So i run the extra grenades armor and then you can close 6 holes plus 1 with your qwaser and more depening on your strategems.
TL/DR its practically the starting loadout but its the swiss army knife for bug missions and still holds up for bots. [But i usually run other set ups for bots]
Sick lists ty. I think this is the catalyst for me to stop using the eruptor. I’ve been fighting off the fact that it sucks now. Needed this lol
I had 50 hours playing the eruptor before the new patch, level 105. It was my favourite gun in the game. It is straight ass now unfortunately.
I LOVE this type of tierlist! I think calling a weapon s tier doesn't tell an extensive story or calling a weapon F tier doesn't justify its niches, all this testing for an in depth video, great job! Creators like you are the soul of this community! Stay awesome, great tier list.
Ty, you gave me a warm feeling in my soul
I was running the Pummeller, Senator with frag grenades and the Recoilless, got a Bile Spewer map and found out that it's a decent combo to stun a Bile Spewer then switch to the Senator and dump 2-3 shots into their head while they are stunned. It's far from the best way to take them out but if you find yourself caught with this type of loadout then it works better than wasting a rocket on a Bile Spewer when there are 3 more waiting to get a chance to attack you.
I agree. Pummelers + Ballistic shield opens up a whole new world of bots smashing, in their face (literally)
Good idea to mix up tier names and stuff so the devs cant just skip to the end and decide which guns need more nerfing
I’ve been anticipating someone to finally make a video like this, this is a really good video. It shows off that no weapon is great, but if paired up with other weapons you cover the disadvantages.
I usually always run the recoiless rifle with some sort of DMR. Because most of the time I keep a distance so that I’m not getting shot at while I’m reloading the launcher, and because I want something with a scope. Recently switched off to the new assault rifle not only because I want it to be good. But also because it’s super accurate.
Anyway, great video
I'd still bring eruptor for bugholes for 2 reasons: Firstly minimal bullet drop meaning you can snipe bugholes from quite a distance away (notably across the far end of a large nest so you can circle the perimeter to clear out everything without ever needing to step inside), secondly a lot more ammo than the grenade pistol meaning it actually has enough ammo to clear out a large nest (and the nade pistol also recovers far too few bullets from ammo, meaning it's often easier to just "respawn" to get ammo back after clearing 2 nests...). That and it being still technically viable to switch to for impromptu AoE makes it pair particularly well with the laser cannon, which handles single target and everything else outside of chargers/titans.
I have about the same sentiments as this video. Despite all the balance drama going on, I'm glad at least half the weapons are usable and have a purpose. Makes it worthwhile to switch every now and then for fun. Thanks for going thru all the testing!
Woah woah woah, i have always been a staunch supporter of the liberator concussive against bugs. It will clear you out breathing room, it will clear room for your teammates, it will stop brood commander charges and keep stalkers off your back. It deserves way more respect
Never
It's also great for DoT/ airstrike as it forces them back into range. That said, this video has convinced me that it should have stun similar to pummeler, that should bring it to a good spot
Or you could just bring a gun that’s worth a fuck 😂
I’ve been using it since it was the 2nd weapon i got in the game
Removing the shrapnel from the Eruptor was such a tragedy. I really hope they bring it back.
I saw a suggestion on discord that Eruptor projectiles should "erupt" shrapnel in a cone, personally love this idea so I'm spreading it around
@erichthegraham that would be better than no shrapnel. You would lose out a bit on uses though. One of the things that made the original shrapnel so good was how you could shoot behind something and still hit them. You could shoot into a group and damage everything in front of and behind the impact.
Im SOOOO torn between blitzer and punisher plasma. I have been using them both since the eruptor nerf and they both slap. The blitzer in general I think is better, but its so close range. It conflicts with my playstyle since I like to use the jump pack and shoot down from on high. The plasma is amazing too, and longer range, but I dont think it kills as much as quickly... and having to worry about ammo is a drag.
What the heck have they done?! I haven't played in a week or so. My eruptor sucks now and difficulty seems to have been really ramped up? Not much fun right now!
Love those tier lists, RIP Eruptor🥺
Arrowhead watching for what weapons to nerf
one thing that wasn't mentioned about base punisher and slugger is the sustain: you can shoot both weapons and reload after every shot without losing out on firerate, essentially making them have one big "mag" you can fire until you're completely out of ammo
I was honestly surprised that the incidiary breaker did so well against bots when i forgot to switch.
i cant see the Breaker incendiary not getting nerfed knowing most fire damage was ramped up due to a bug but maaan i really hope they dont nerf it, i liked it even before the buffs and seeing it get killed would hurt
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Hi sora 😞 I hope they don't nerf anything next patch only 50 buffs
Dot dmg isn't even that high, you have to go out of your way to stop shooting bugs before they die if you actually want to see it do anything. Literally everyone uses it like a breaker anyway lol
@@DanielLazzaramaaaan I love using it just because it feels so much like the old breaker, if not more powerful. I've never killed stalkers that fast with the breaker (old and new)
@DanielLazzara yeah, the fire dot really only matters against hive guards and brood commanders. The smaller bugs die so fast. The fire is also great against a charger if you break their leg armor first.
Expect recoil increase and magazine reduced.
bot Blitzer enjoyer. works nice with AC or AMR/jumpack. good trench weapon, no reloads, staggers even heavy devs if you hit their shield, can one tap berserkers if you ads their face. and one taps all the infantry bots.
Jump pack against bots? 😮 Sounds risky lol
@@JacobKelley-vw1pw less risky than a shieldpack, which many seem to think is required for bots
@@NopeAce631 I just can't see how jumping up high on difficulty 7+ and not getting a million rockets to your face. I can see it working well on the eliminate automaton missions though
@@NopeAce631 How would a shield pack be more risky? Lol and not required but on difficulty 9 it certainly does help. I use democracy protects perk so I don't have to have it but i try going for 0 deaths each run so it helps a lot. I mix up my stratagem fairly often anyways, keeps the game fresh
Pre-patches my go to loadout for the bots was Eruptor + AMR + Stun grenade because i could do "ranged clearing". if a group of bots were huddled together I clear out the small ones with eruptor and snipe the Mediums and Hulks with the AMR. For Beserkers I could use the AMR as a "shotgun" if they got too close, or stun them to give me distance. I'd use the AMR and Eruptor on the gunships as well.
But now that they removed the shrapnel, reduced the radius of the explosion, its downsides of slow reload, reduced fire rate, make it feel awkward and frustrating choice to bring on missions. Also, the patch reducing the explosion damage to walkers/striders made it worse because i could kill 2-3 simultaneously with one bullet by shooting the ground near them. It could rival other explosive primaries like scorcher or plasma punisher, but not now.
I find the tenderizer to be great against bots where three consecutive shots will be placed at around the same location.
Of course there are variations to how we kill bots/ bugs, faster reload speed at the cost of lower damage compared to the opposite getting a similar end result effect. The devs will just argue you need to use your strategems or support weopons to deal with enemies faster and the primary is the after thought for chaff clear. Even if our cooldowns are horrendous, they want us to just run around like a chicken with its head cut off I guess. Thats the arbitrary difficulty they love!
what's sad is the knight is really cool looking and feels good to use. the problem is the lack luster damage.
I propose giving it medium armor pen and 30-40 meters max range. Also maybe a basic skinned version of it and give it to everyone for free. This makes it a fun up close powerhouse and gives everyone access to it so it doesn't become pay to win while also keeping some exclusive value for those who paid for it.
Honestly give me a Day with the balance team. Ive got ideas for pretty much all the weapons that would make them fun to use but also not too OP.
Crossbow notes: it can still kill scout strider pilots very easily, gives it a slight bump against bots because it can deal with scouts and devs (on head shots). More importantly, I heard that the explosion damage is currently bugged. Explosions are supposed to be at least med pen but apparently the xbow explosion is light pen. Hopefully this gets fixed soon. This info probably doesn't affect it's tier much though, and the important part is it's use as a stealth weapon since you can make enemies move where you want to follow the explosion
If its explosion pen is bugged, that explains why its so bad at killing hive guards.
I have always been the guy running the Sycth and Guard Dog Rover combo, diving mostly onto frozen planets. Engineer armor for the extra grenades allows me to go longer without needing a resupply.
As a casual Eruptor enjoyer, I can tell you why you'd bring it instead of something like the AC or GP, unlike the AC it doesn't take a backpack slot, so you could say run the drone for trash mob clearing and have either the flamethrower or the Stalwart for when you need to quickly clear.
Now why its better than the GP, short answer is... range you can close bug holes from 100m out if your a good shot and if you're not a good shot unlike with the GP you still got a few more attempts at making the shot before a reload.
The principle also applies to fabs as well and arguably its far easier to use on them, since you really don't need elevation to "arch" it in like you do with the bug holes sometimes and it can (or at least it used to haven't tested this part recently) pop most of the bots with a head shot which is way easier to do at range with them and you have a little bit of wiggle room since it doesn't have to land dead on for the shot to count just gotta be "close enough".
My only gripe with the gun before the nerf was with the model of it, like why would you model the bolt to be in front of the chamber? In terms of physics it makes zero sense and technically the gun shouldn't even be able to cycle let alone fire, but that is just the gun nerd in me questioning things and I just decided to chalk it up to Super Earth space magic.
True it's easier and more ammo but a fat opportunity cost just having a bad promary
I think it's cool that it allows you to get creative with you secondary and support weapons. Having Eruptor in the game soft buffs things like stalwart and laser cannon. That said, I'm gonna try playing with it exclusively for a day to determine what it needs. Somebody in the discord suggested they give it back the shrapnel, but make it "erupt" in a cone behind the projectile.
I know that it was also able to destroy rogue broadcast towers before the nerf, don't know if it still can.
@@thiccfila Depends how you define bad no? In my mind bad means it cannot do anything good at all, which is not wholly true for the Eruptor and certainly was untrue before the nerf.
@@erichthegraham Agreed and I am certainly not opposed to the cone suggestion either, it would at least allow for multi target clears.
Definitely a unique way of rating the weapons
i really hope a developer at arrowhead sees this video. youve actually taken the time to test every weapon and look for its place in the world. as someone who experiments and enjoys build crafting, i have done this same leg work sans making a video about it. but i appreciate you using your platform to get this POSITIVE feedback out there for others to see. there has been so much hostility towards the content lately and most of it is unwarranted as well as demoralizing to arrowhead. it's great to see someone appreciating all of the varied and fun weapons we have. i myself love a lot of under-appreciated guns due to discovering synergies with other gear. i think a lot of players get comfortable w specific gear and when they change out their primaries, they are not mixing up the rest of their gear and therefore miss out on discovering the synergies between great kit combos. def gave you a like on this one. please, more positive-forward content. let's show arrowhead our appreciation for all of their hard work.
There is something that I want to point out with the AR-61 Tenderizer Assault Rifle from Polar Patriots War Bond, I do feel like this gun def needs a buff one way or another, and it is def a side-grade to the standard liberator. But something that no one has pointed out is it's OVERALL ammo count. You actually have about 35-45 more rounds before you run out of ammo, despite you haveing 10 less per mag. AND you have 10 mags instead of 7, so you have a little bit more ammo overall, AND the ammo lasts longer.
The AR-61 Tenderizer has less recoil, better handling/accuracy, a little bit more averall ammo, and 3 more mags. In the context of being compared to the standard Liberator. I also like how it sounds. The ammo economy is also a little lacluster IMO, I scavenged a green box of ammo I found on the map, and it only gave the Tenderizer 2 out of 10 mags. Meaning if you are OUT of ammo, you need 5! Green ammo boxes from the map to be FULL -_- i'd call that bad ammo economy
Concussive has pushback. It’s not trash. It has a use.
I thought about putting it in niche but honestly I bring punisher with my tier load outs against bugs
It is trash. You want a gun to KILL the bugs, not push them about...
With a higher damage will be nice (70)
About 10 min in and Thicc saying "people are quick to call this warbond bad" bro it is bad. 1 gun and a good grenade does not save 2 of the worst guns in the game rn
Tenderizer is a side grade- that's being generous when statistically its an objectively weaker liberator.
I've not tested the shotgun but everything I've heard and seen makes it sound like ass.
That being said enjoying the list so far!
It has a good primary, grenade, and secondary. Every warbond launched with half the stuff bad. Pummeler is legit a top weapon but it's just not exciting since it's a ballistic and the reason it's good takes some thought behind it rather than oonga boonga
In its current state democratic detonations primary’s and grenade are average or bad, the grenade pistol is the only weapon there that I would consider good. I don’t necessarily disagree with people saying polar patriots is the worst warbond right now but I think it’s disingenuous to ignore detonations faults too
@Brntnugget yeah they gutted DD but polar is probably the worst feeling at lunch, which is probably the worst problem.
Patriots has ONE terrible weapon. One average side grade of an assault rifle, one great weapon, one solid side grade secondary, and one good grenade. The problem is that nothing is flashy, stands out, or occupies a new niche. The main problem is that it is boring.... Not that it has mostly terrible weapons. But most UA-camrs are saying it's bad and most people just listen to them, adopt their opinions, and don't actually try the weapons for more than a mission, if at all. And many people just look at the numbers to determine if a weapon will be bad when the stats don't show things like ergonomics, projectile travel speed, scope types, fire modes, and more. Plus, most content creators play on the highest difficulty and that level of optimization just isn't necessary on any difficulty below 7. I know, for a lot of people, common practice (among people who watch content) is to just emulate what the best players do but it simply isn't necessary for a large part of the player base.
Eh once you’ve hit lvl 50+ you play on helldive cause everything else is so easy, DD was sadly gutted, PP isn’t a horrible warbond though but i’d agree it’s boring and the unique weapon isn’t great
Great vid exactly what I was looking for. I hope you’ll make one for best stratagems against bots and bugs. You got a new subscriber.
Dude, such a good job on this video, I'm sure it took you a long time. I really appreciate all the love to breaker incendiary. Keep doin what you do you cant wait to see more, just got a new subscriber
Advertising boosts for helldivers 2… jesus christ 😂
That's treason and should be reported to your nearest Democracy Officer!
What?
@@witchBoi_Connor blazingboost ad????
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The slugger one-taps devastator heads, and 4-taps Hulk heads. It kills all trash units in one shot, and even damages the rear of tank vents when needed.
It's probably the best, or second best primary for bots if you can, like, aim--and you talk about two/three taps with other weapons all the time.
I don't understand your thought process with this.
It does not 4 tap hulk heads or else all med pen weapons would also do that
Also the diligence counter sniper, dominator, and others all do this better. Dominator staggers everything when you miss the head
@@thiccfila Right, but the slugger is offering these with a reflex optic and a significantly larger magazine. It's expanding your short-range engagement capabilities and your burst potential.
Yeah I could've put it higher, I would go average
Defender + ballistic shield + grenade pistol is my fav combo for bots. May not be the strongest, but its so much fun to sturm the base after you cleared everything big with AMR.
Assault rifles being shit is giving me Borderlands 2 PTSD flashbacks.
Most underrated weapon is hands down the quasar cannon. It’s so underrated that it seems to still be the only support weapon people use even after the nerf despite having so many better options for bugs and bots.
Lol wtf
I don’t think you know what underrated means
R/whoooosh
@@emanuelpovian1938 sarcasm
@@ProvidenceXIV mhm perhaps I’m retarded
Love that you introduced the additional dimension to stress "good for a specific use-case"! I have been using the scythe against bots since the beginning and loved it. Will have to come back to it now that I can aim somewhat better (and know where to aim).
I expect that they will rework the explosive crossbow. It was a great bot mob clearing weapon before the balance update. Now the plasma punisher has taken its role.
Sad for the eruptor, it used to be S-tier before the shrapnel and explosive ultra-nerf but, only in the hands of someone that knows how to fire it without killing friends and themselves.
This is just my opinions
Tenderizer: Really good for bots to be an allrounder, definitely if youre using more as a markman weapon or a longer range rifle
Adjudicator: is pretty decent at both but it more excels against bots more than bugs so if you need, you can panic spray a devistator.
With the Markman rifles i tend to agree mostly. There are better options for some situations but they are an over all nice choice.
Defender and Pummeler: I think the pummeler is more of a side grade for the defender and both are really solid choices for the objectives where you need to carry things and mid range combat mostly. The stagger helps with horde control against bugs.
Explosive crossbow: I think its more of a deal damage to blow a limb off option for weaker enemies, but i can really use it too well. It is fun.
Eruptor: Agreed for bugs, but bots its good for a sniper shot to take out bot heads if you need it to.
The plasma weapons: I think all the plasma weapons are good at certain things, For example, the scorcher is great at targeting enemies with armor while the punisher is better at taking groups more, The purifier is more meant to take out enemies from a long to medium range with a decent burst to either disable or eliminate.
Blitzer: Amazing add clear and really good against bots due to its rate of fire tuning. It does wonders against the enemies that get too close.
Sickle: Its a good all rounder with how it works and if you can manage your heat, its amazing for long term engagements with out really running out of ammo. Plus it makes it feel like youre playing starwars when fighting bots.
That's a smart way to break it all down... nice vid!
Honestly I feel like the purifier is more like the eruptor than the scorcher or plasma punisher
Slow firing, decent explosive radius but not enough for crowds, and - after the removal of shrapnel - it deals way too little damage
Would yall rather use the breaker incendiary with the quasar cannon or the dominator with the flamethrower on bugs?
Incendiary breaker + quasar is generally more well-rounded since it can also take out Bile Titans without relying on other stratagems. Only issue is if you get unlucky and run into a bile/nursing spewer world then you'll feel severely underpowered unless you bring the grenade pistol and/or impact grenades. Dominator + flamethrower will fair well on pretty much any world but you'll need stratagems to specifically take out Bile Titans. Both are good, just need to build for more contingencies through picking the correct secondary and specific stratagems.
I'm curious what load out and strategems do you reccomend for someone who just wants to main Anti Material Rifle every mission Every Faction Ride or Die just because I like the Sniper Aesthetic but want to be self sufficent and not trolling my teams on helldive.
sometimes its not the weapon that is bad, sometimes its how you use it. i hope this style of list becomes more common, get people to think about how primaries, secondaries, supports, grenades, and other strats all play off each other. sometimes you just need to utilize in a different manner instead of trying to pound a square peg into a round hole.
I was about to say unless this dude is trolling the blitzer should be a LOT higher up the list. But maybe it's just how I use it and this dude hasn't played the game that long.
I am the "weird" type of player who runs 2 single targets guns on bots and still consistently get the most kill out of my team while still doing tasks. I use the CS for lighter enemies sich as normal bots and devastators and the AMR for the striders and hulks. Tanks and factory striders will be taken care of by 500kg or rail canon. the 4th stratagems is really up to what my mood is, can be shield generator backpack, rover, jump pack or cluster bomb
One advantage of the Tenderizer against Bots is that you can take single shots with it set to Automatic. That means you can both snipe heads and clear groups without having to switch. I still doubt I'll ever use it again, just thought I should mention that.
If it gets buffed it'll be great
I love the counter sniper against bots because it can do everything the autocannon does, just slower. That means i get to bring the Recoilless Rifle and shoot down dropships.
I'm glad to hear someone else mentioned sickle being good for disarming devastators. I dont think many people use it this way enough.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't the devs say that the purifier would do more damage the longer you charged it? Does it have this mechanic, or does it just do its base damage no matter what?
It doesn't. So it may be bugged, not sure.
1 minute in, I LOVE the way you formatted this tier list.
If they don't want to damage buff the ARs, they should make ALL the ARs mag less (no reload). All ARs would have a max ammo of 240-320. This would make the class differ from other classes and appeal to those who like to spray and pray. To have the ARs differ from each other, they could use spread, recoil, armor pen etc.
you surfing on that charger was hilarious 🥹
Would be pretty cool if you had at the end a summary tier list with the bugs one and the bots one. Nice video bro!
u can stun lock chargers w the pummeler while a teammate lines up cannon shot its so fun lol
Defender my beloved! Ever since i unlocked the ballistic shield, its been my go-to combo for Bot Busting. Helped me hold my ground against patrols more than once.
At the Eruptor, before the nerfs it was good at wiping out groups with good AOE and AOE staggering groups of enemies and killing most medium armor enemies on both bot and bug fronts in 1-2 shots. And what they would do is take the Stalwart or HM40 and use that as their primary weapon and used their Eruptor as the support weapon.
But after the nerf, they massively reduced the AOE damage and AOE stagger so it doesnt clap cheeks of groups of enemies and it doesnt even 1-shot enemies it used to 1shot anymore. It takes 2-3 shots to kill every enemy it used to 1-shot, and with its significantly reduced mag cap and slow firing rate, its not good at fighting anything. In any instance you would take the Eruptor, you should take the Dominator instead and just pair it with the Grenade pistol.
So for the liberator and liberator penetrator, for bots, switching them to single fire, is a complete game changer and something you may want to consider trying out. By no means does it make the guns superior to other options available, but early game, when all you have is the liberator, its a solid tactic to be more accurate and land headshots, while also conserving ammo.
One thing to note against bots is the Senator pistol, it can help with certain primaries too since it at the very least onetaps Rocket Devastators to the face, I'd need more work to see how the falloff is and if it onetaps other Devastators but I got some pretty far Rocket Devastator oneshots yesterday with it. Might be a good side for Fire Breaker against them.
This is the right way to do tier list. Also I am a Defender main. Glad others are pointing it out.