You did more than your share of time already, I think you definitely did it the smart way. I'm taking a similar path, however I only did 4 years as an enlisted Marine, and now I am on track to becoming a neurosurgeon. Love your videos, glad I stumbled across them.
He only provide the con, but didn’t mention the pro. Here the pro if you apply for HPSP: 1. They will pay 2300 monthly for 10.5 month and 1.5 month active duty pay 2. Their FAP during residency which you get pay about 85k during residency since other resident get pay only 45k 3. Free textbook, medical, free board exam etc all cover In my opinion, if you struggles finically during medical school and you got the physical then you should think about joining. It’s not that bad
Money should NOT be the only motivational factor for becoming a military physician because that will only benefit you initially. All of this money comes with YEARS worth of commitment, restrictions and limitation. I went through the scholarship process until i learned about the "fine print." If you want to join because of your general interest then do so but NOT because of money or you'll be sorry years later .
And I’m pretty sure the military physicians salary is tax free, just like how other military salaries are. So if you factor in not having to pay out the ~37% income tax that a civilian physician would have to pay, the wage gap isn’t that huge
Your right , it is not that bad, yet making $300k-$400k more is worth it. Now yes I now that money is not everything but that money Trumps the benefits anyway.
+Braden Minteer Thank you! Dr. Webb www.antoniowebbmd.com facebook.com/awebbmd instagram.com/overcomingtheoddsbook Dr. Webb's new book, Overcoming the Odds (ranked 5 STARS!) is available NOW at: amzn.to/2ydvHwd
This is why you’re so I touch with what you do, the military has some of the best doctors in the world, the professional attitude is very welcoming, the military saved me life, I own so much to the people who helped me, started a nonprofit for homeless veterans to give back, we’re going to help them gain control of their lives back, our program is designed to help them return to a normal life. You’re a product of being well trained, and your professional attitude is so positive
Great video. I think that it's all on personal preference. I don't think that there's any right or wrong route to take. Military physicians don't get paid as much as civilian doctors, but the training and the leadership experience that you get as a military doctor is by far uncomparable. As a military doctor you learn how to be a leader of men. The things that military Physicians see coming out of medical school, most civilian doctors will probably never see (especially if one gets deployed on a humanitarian mission or combat area). The military physicians that I servered with all had offers from high paying civilian jobs, and most of them decided to stay in and retire and possibly still have time to start their own practice once they retire. All this while still receiving their officers retirement and never having to ever pay any medical school loans. I think it's different for you Dr. Webb because you've been there and done that already. However, you can't compare yourself being a Staff NCO to possibly being the Surgeon General. Lastly, if deployments is a major concerned because of family, you can always choose something like the Medical Service Corps or the Public Health Service Commissioned Corps. They don't deploy unless they're in extreme need. Most PHS service members I've met working at the once Naval Hospital in Bethesda (Now it's Walter Reed) never deployed outside of the States unless they put in request to deploy. Just my input. Again. Thanks for the videos.
And also that 300k builds up interest pretty fast, so people will end up paying more to which it takes more time. And every med school has different tuition rates
Thanks Dr. Webb. Also, great personal story about your time in the military and school. Beautiful. Those are the stairs that makes and shapes greatness.
Oh yeah, so true. The military tells you where to practice. You’ll lose a lot of freedom & flexibility when you get these military scholarships. Be forewarned, folks.
Thank you for your opinion and explanation of your decision. Just a little additional insight into some areas that you did not mention. How much are you paying annually for malpractice insurance? As an active Army doctor, you do not pay for malpractice. Also, the typical deployment for a MD/DO is 3 months not a year or 18 months. That time period is rare even today for traditional Soldiers. The maximum length of a tour now is 9 months and on occasion maybe a year. MD/DOs serve a very short deployment to ensure that their skills do not degrade/atrophy. Also, you can serve as a reservist and apply for loan repayment of up to $250k with very little commitment (year for year).
Well the salary seems pretty low but to be hones something that motivates me to joins is the experience and that the education is free, medical school is expensive and even more being a first generation student in your family, I don't know much about military but this video was helpful.
This isn't the best comparison. You're completely overlooking residency. During residency military docs are making around $85k while civilian residents are making $45k. $45k isn't enough to pay back your loans and during that time the interest keeps adding up.
It really depends on the specialty of the individual. While it's true you are making 6 figures as an officer in the military what a lot of students don't realize is that it's not guaranteed that you can immediately start your residency after completing medical school which can be a huge turnoff. I'm active duty and I just completed my bachelors degree(working on pre-med courses since my cybersecurity degree didn't have any pre-med options). I've contacted a few schools in Texas which will accept my post 9/11 and Hazelwood act benefits. I plan on applying for UT Southwest Medical Center, Baylor College of Medicine, and UHUHS. Since I'm a Texas native I can graduate from medical school from debt free, apply for residency after med school, and if I chose to stay in Texas(which most likely I will) 50k goes a long way back home with zero debt. Hopefully I will be accepted into an anesthesiologist residency and after four years I would start making 340k in Texas. I did 10 years in the Navy and trust me the money that you would save isn't worth the bullshit the navy puts your through. Don't join the military to make money as a doctor join because you want to serve.
I leave for boot camp in January for the navy and I’m going on as a hospital corpsman my goal is to finish my degree and apply for the military medical school in Maryland *fingers crossed*
+Brianna Addison Hi, Thanks for the comment and watching! Awesome! Good choice of service (Air Force and Navy are the best branches! 😃) and good luck! Im glad you found the video helpful! Be sure to subscribe also to receive the newest videos posted weekly! Dr. Webb www.antoniowebbmd.com facebook.com/awebbmd instagram.com/overcomingtheoddsbook Dr. Webb's new book, Overcoming the Odds (ranked 5 STARS!) is available NOW at: amzn.to/2ydvHwd
The biggest thing for me when I researched it was the fact that you may not get into your specialized residency or fellowship because of limited slots. They will force you to do general medicine. And if you do residency first outside of the military then payback your time those years as a general doctor will not allow you to practice and keep up with your skills as a specialist.... With the military option you win in the beginning but lose out big in the end not just financially.
I’m USAF. We don’t have combat medics... the closest thing is Pararescue which is more combat search and rescue than medic, and more special tactics than infantry. Combat medic is 68W army and there’s a Navy corpsman. Please explain this to me brother. Thank you in advance
Emt B I think he’s generalizing his statement so his general audience understands. It’s hard to explain to people you’re an FMF corpsman, or a pararescuemen, etc etc
Wish you would join my Air Force team at Nellis AFB as an Individual Mobilization Augmentee. We started a spine practice here and could’ve used a guy like you on our team!
I believe a lot of points are very valid Dr.webb. A couple things to aid is that while the avg debt is around 200k these loans are in sub and will incur interest during school and residency as most residency salaries are not sufficient enough to pay for living/loan costs. Also, the military most fellowships are civilian sponsored and incur 2x years in pay back. In addition, most competitive specialties and some that are normally not ultra competitive are even more competitive in the military. I strongly suggest anyone considering military fully understand what it means to get put in a GMO position before joining as some docs have to wait 8yrs to become residency trained talk about a loss of income potential. Great video hope people really do their research before joining it’s not for everyone.
Timothy Torrez thank you for adding this! I've been really debating if the military is a good option for me (I'm considering PA or MED school). For the Med school route, where can I find ACCURATE research? (like you said). I don't quite understand the GMO part? I've heard about it. Where can I find out about this (accurately). Or could you or Dr. Webb explain?
thenightdances21 in my opinion, PA school and the military is a better option. From my understanding there is no residency so you don’t have to worry about that, there is supposedly lots of autonomy but I went med route so I have little info on that. On the subject of GMO, basically all branches have them but they are more prevalent in the navy and AF, the army has them as well but usually they do a residency and then put in a GMO spot and there skills rot for x amount of time for that assignment. Basically a GMO is after intern year if you don’t match into residency which is about 50% in the Navy and 20% in the AF. I believe you become a flight surgeon. Which is you are a general provider, you don’t do surgery btw so it’s a misnomer. So after your intern year you become a doc for the pilots or a specific group of soldiers. This assignment is usually 2yrs I believe. It does count toward the time you owe the military but you are not residency trained. So you have to make a decision either finish you 4yr commitment as a flight doc and then re -enter the match in the civilian side or apply in the military. If you apply military and match you will gain more years of obligated service 1 for every year of residency.
thenightdances21 also SDN is a decent place to see what some of the military docs think there is a whole forum under military medicine where you can read a lot of info
Timothy Torrez Most military Physicians that I served with retire in the military or they have a great civilian job waiting for them on the outside. Once you have military doctor on your resume, you're set. Furthermore, the training that you'll get as a military Physician can't be compared to on any level. You'll see things that civilian doctors may not see in their entire lives practicing medicine, even being a general practitioner.
Yes, but you have to do a residency to have a great job waiting for you, that was my big point. Also the military care system is changing as they are outsourcing more of there specialty care to civilian sector so if you're a student with hopes on doing a specific fellowship and have have a very specific patient base that may not be available if you do the military. Congress is trying to cut all military specialties that are not involved in war preparedness so that is a lot of specialties that are potentially on the cutting block and that info is straight from the dean at the military medical school USUHS. I am in no way discouraging people from joining I believe it can be a very rewarding career but there is no doubt as Dr. Webb touched on more variables In your pursuit to practice medicine in the military and was one of the reasons why I turned down my HPSP scholarship.
Dr. Webb is a great resource, but he did get some things wrong. At 7:32 he said that you don't get to pick where you do your training. This is false in the Army. I am doing the army match and have as much say where I match and what specialty I match into as someone in the civilian Match. It is true, however, that I won't get much say where I will practice medicine after residency. The main factor that is weighted in the army match differently than the civilian match (and other branches from what I've heard) is that prior service experience is considered a serious strength in your application to PDs.
Hey Dr. Webb im currently in the Army and got my bachelor's degree while active with a 3.1 GPA. I want to practice medicine and apply to get into medical school. But I know my undergraduate gpa needs to be higher to be more competitive. What can i do since i already graduated?
+Clayton Smith Hi, Thanks for the comment and watching! Good question. As you know already, medical school is competitive and the most important parts of your application are your MCAT score and GPA. To be competitive, I would say have a GPA of 3.6+. Anything below this, I would recommend considering a post bac program or graduate program where you can show the medical school admissions committee that you can handle medical school despite your GPA. There are several post bac programs out there you just have to search for them online. Also, look into graduate programs as well. I hope this helps and good luck! Here is a video you can check out: ua-cam.com/video/Q6usSkmY0lo/v-deo.html And if you haven't already checked out my channel, do so and subscribe! I post weekly videos! A. Webb www.antoniowebbmd.com twitter.com/drwebb82 facebook.com/awebbmd ua-cam.com/users/antoniowebbmd instagram.com/overcomingtheoddsbook
Clayton Smith hey man I just got accepted to medical school with a 3.3 GPA and 507 mcat. Don't let your GPA stop you, kill the mcat and make yourself shine on your AMCAS apps. I guarantee you will get in next cycle
With doctors, because they work so much, you’ve always got to look at how much they’re being paid hourly. Most make below minimum wage hourly, with massive debt, until their late thirties, which is a crappy situation
Yin and Yang depends on the specialty. The more specialized you are the better. in my job, psychiatrist gets paid more than 300k a year some even make over 500k. I think being a plastic surgeon for those ugly celebrities pays the most. Gotta make some insecure uglies feel abit more confident.
I am studying to become a doctor in regular Mendivil school in Spain. After that, I would Ike to join the military as a military physician. If anyone knows where I can look up the process to do this, please tell me in the responses of this comment. Thank you.
students owe one year of active duty service for each year of support they receive in medical school. If go through a residency program via military you owe 2 year for 1st year of training then 1 year following each after that.
Isn’t it better to become a doctor in the military because they pay for your schooling and then when u get out u don’t have to get anymore schooling and you have that experience??
Hey doctor Webb, I'm Johnny and I'm thinking of joining the CAF (Canadian Armed Forces) after high school.. I also want to become a Pediatric Cardiothoracic Surgeon (Civilian) my current GPA is a 3.6 in high school. How do I attend school and such after high school? What position should I apply for in the army? How long is it usually to serve? And, would medical schools like this?
You asked about Cardiothoracic Surgery a few weeks ago! Check out this interview here: ua-cam.com/video/UtFLbW6anUM/v-deo.html You have to apply to medical school after doing your pre reqs. You can also get a guaranteed position in the military and I think thats the best way to go. Enlistments vary from 2-6 years
Not everything is about money my friend. I respect your choice but did join the military after medical school. I also was enlisted for 7 years. I had to leave the military to complete the last year of my undergraduate degree. I enjoyed military medicine much more than a civilian practice. The reasons are simply. It was lots less complicated. I didn't have to worry about operating a business as well as practicing medicine. No worries about malpractice and staffing. I was free to focus on practicing medicine and at the same time providing service to my country.
@Steve Daly what's your specialty if you don't mind me asking? There are certainly advantages to joining military medicine. Lack of malpractice and the pension (especially if prior service). And you can still practice after retiring at 20 years of service. Yet, I think it makes less sense from a lifestyle perspective
@@JordanLambo369 The Army does pay us you know..I guess it depends on the lifestyle you seek. The Army provided me and my family a nice home free of charge including utilities by the way. Yes I could have made more money in civilian medicine but I didn't live in pup tent. What I'm saying is the lifestyle of field grade officer isn't one of suffering, we do OK.
@Steve Daly I was in the Coast Guard for 5 years an officer, recently separated. I’m considering using my gi bill for either dental or medical school. If I were to go back in I’d probably pick the Public Health Service out of any branch. Seems like they have a lot of leeway. I know it’s not all about a money, but military is definitely a lifestyle factor. EMS is a pretty interesting specialty. I’m 28 currently and know that it’s a huge commitment at this point. What age did you matriculate?
@@JordanLambo369if you intend on going to medical school, my advice is to hurry the process. The older you get the more difficult it is get accepted. Doesn't seem fair but it's a fact.
Hi Dr. Webb, I was a former Engineering student as what my parents wanted me to be, in my 3rd year I shifted to Medical related since it is my dream to be in the field of Medicine. Does it affect my chance in applying Medicine?
Military physicians make less when you don't factor in student loans, housing, books, etc. HPSP = fantastic choice if you don't want to be paying student loans until you're 80
@@sfranklin10 Maybe if you live in your car, unable to pay for food, unable to pay for insurance, etc. Not to mention not having a family you need to provide for.
@@sfranklin10well 5 years of residency. 300k student loans vs HSPS scholarship getting paid in medical school. Air Force will pay significantly more during residency then civilian sector will through benefits + base pay. Now that your 5 years are up as an ortho surgeon and interest accrued it will take at least 2 years to pay off loans realistically vs an airman who has no student loans, made 100k in med school and has made 200k with 0 debt or living expenses since military covers that. So at the time of becoming a doctor it’s -450k vs +300k. Then yes the ortho surgeon will make more and catch up rapidly. To be exact assuming ortho makes 500k per year -expenses the airman does not have it would take 3-5 years depending on where you work and starting salaries. On average it would be 4-5 years because you must also factor money the airman is making during this recovery and catch up time. It’s not as bad as people think.
If you go to WestPoint, aren't you required to become an officer after attending there for 4 years? I wanna go to WestPoint and then take the HSPS Program. Is that possible?
Great video. Informative as always. I think what folks need to remember is that 1) Dr. Webb practices one of the most lucrative medical specialties. The finances look totally different if you are interested in the primary care specialties, like family medicine, obstetrics/gynecology, psych, pediatrics, etc. For the primary care specialties you will almost definitely come out ahead financially through USUHS or HPSP as the military salary following training is very similar to what one might expect to earn as a hospitalist in the civilian sector. The financial benefits only compound if you already have some student loan debt and are in the position to begin paying it back as a medical student saving thousands of dollars in interest. 2) If you are a doctor in the military, you are a solider first, then a doctor. This decision can't just be about the money.
Dr. Webb thanks for the video and your service. I’m currently conducting research on direct comission to AMEDD as a license social worker with a concentration in medical mental health, I’m finishing up graduate school in May. I would love to know what to expect as an officer overall and the job entails. Such as doing additional stuff outside of the job like combat or other infantry related assignments during deployments or a possible war. Thanks!
How long is the military allowed to tell you where you will practice medicine? For instance if I did the HPSP to practice internal medicine, served my time for four years after residency, the military can still tell me where I can and cannot practice?
Antonio J. Webb, M.D. I too am interested in Emergency Medicine specialty in the military. Any quick comment as to what their active duty salary would be around? Thanks.
I want to study medicine and join the army. I'm 18 in September and I have one month left of school and then I have to decide what I'm gonna do. But I don't know how anything works or what I'm supposed to do. Do you go to med school first and then the army or it's at the same time? In Spain its 6 years of med school so that'd be a long time before joining the army. So I don't know. Help someone?
Thank you, Dr. Webb! Your answer is exactly what I needed! I was interviewed at some state MD schools this cycle and had been thinking about the airforce scholarship. Based on your reasoning, I think military is not a good option for me because I want to specialize in orthopedics. :)
Awesome! You CAN do it! Its a long road but worth it in the end! Ortho is a great field! Keep up the good work and let me know if you have any questions along the way! Also, be sure to subscribe to receive the newest videos posted every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday at 5pm CST Dr. Webb www.antoniowebbmd.com facebook.com/awebbmd instagram.com/overcomingtheoddsbook Dr. Webb's new book, Overcoming the Odds (ranked 5 STARS!) is available NOW at: amzn.to/2ydvHwd
Hello, so I am going to be a pediatrician but is interested in the air force reserve. However, I am not interested in being deployed because, I really do not want to be involved in anything combat. So I was wondering if there are office jobs that I can take since I would be trained to work with children. Also, as a traditional reservist what would you do during the 2 week period?
So the difference in pay is 300,000? Would it be worth it though after the 20 year mark to retire from the Military assuming you stay active duty. Then receive the benefits and work as a Physician?
Hi, Thanks for the question and comment! The military helped me become the person who I am today. Being in the military taught me how to be disciplined (which helped me in medical school and even to this day in residency), how to be resilient (which is extremely helpful in surgery), and how to stay focused. Your military experience does help when it comes to applying for jobs and other positions because it looks good on your CV! Check out this video that I put out about this subject: ua-cam.com/video/PEWJaEEA1bA/v-deo.html And, Don't forget to subscribe as I will be posting new videos every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday at 5pm CST! Dr. Webb's new book, Overcoming the Odds (ranked 5 STARS!) is available NOW at: www.amazon.com/Antonio-J.-Webb/e/B00OYN1LRA I talk alot about my military service in this book as well! Dr. Webb www.antoniowebbmd.com twitter.com/drwebb82 facebook.com/awebbmd ua-cam.com/users/antoniowebbmd instagram.com/overcomingtheoddsbook
I think a lot of people go into the military because of money .well I guss thats valid but serving our country and helping those soldiers that fight for out freedome is a hell alot better than just in It for the money man. idk im sorry but thats just my .2 cents.
If you have never enlisted and are going into medicine, nursing, dentistry, idk why you WOUNDN’T join. Financially alone it makes lots of sense. But, 🤷🏻♂️. Unless you know you’ll fail MEPS and you aren’t great with PT or following orders 🤷🏻♂️ then I would understand.
I’d love to help soldiers in the military because my uncle was once a soldier but they really don’t get paid as much as a civilian doctor and I couldn’t actually move all the way to where they would deploy me. Plus my parents wouldn’t approve of it.
If a person qualifies, is HPSP guaranteed? Would you have done medical school the first time you joined the military if you could? Would you suggest earning BS/BA before joining the military?
Hey fellow teen… Same path as you and it’s been a year so you probably found this out but depending on your level of payed education you would have to serve around 7 years before leaving.
That's where you're dead wrong. PJ and SOFME are as combat medic as it gets. Not to mention, all medical AFSCs, including certain enlisted 4N0's can see work in a combat AOR.
Debt can be crippling. You sacrifice years of your life (prime earning years for most folks) to become a physician. When you end your training, you are usually much further behind financially than your peers. You should make the best financial choice you can. The explanation he made is pretty much on par with how other military/doctors have discussed it. See White Coat Investor (military EM).
Dr. Webb, I'm very interested in going the military medicine route as well and I am currently looking at different OCS programs. Why did you choose the air force, and what would you do differently being in military medicine?
Air Force has the best locations, accomodations and treat their members the best. I cannot speak about military medicine besides my limited experience as a prior military member but there are pros and cons to the military which maybe i can do a video about
People in other parts of the world would kill to be in the position you are in and all your doing is complaining about how bad it is to make 200k a year. Incredible how spoilt we are as Americans.
Military officer retire out with a long life pension after 20 years. Civilian doctors don’t get that. I rather serve my country and be debt free. Than be a rich doctor that banks of people pains and injuries.
This video is biased... the military isn’t for you which is why you’re putting everything about the military in a negative aspect. Majority of the things you’re talking about only applied to you. Everyone’s experience in the military is different.
Are you seriose !!! 200k was not good enough for you ! I’m an idiot because I did stupid things in my life but if I could make 75 k annual I would be so happy. Your generation is sad. You could be extremely happy making 200k annual but it’s not good enough for you. Wow. 😬 I know you have loans and what not but come on dude. The military would pay a lot of that. So sad our you people see things this way. You know how much I make ? You would cry.
Dog Luvr do you understand how much of a commitment that medicine is compared to other careers. How many years you forfeit getting pain at all. Do some research.
You did more than your share of time already, I think you definitely did it the smart way. I'm taking a similar path, however I only did 4 years as an enlisted Marine, and now I am on track to becoming a neurosurgeon. Love your videos, glad I stumbled across them.
Are you in your residency now?
What was your previous mos?
He only provide the con, but didn’t mention the pro.
Here the pro if you apply for HPSP:
1. They will pay 2300 monthly for 10.5 month and 1.5 month active duty pay
2. Their FAP during residency which you get pay about 85k during residency since other resident get pay only 45k
3. Free textbook, medical, free board exam etc all cover
In my opinion, if you struggles finically during medical school and you got the physical then you should think about joining. It’s not that bad
Money should NOT be the only motivational factor for becoming a military physician because that will only benefit you initially. All of this money comes with YEARS worth of commitment, restrictions and limitation. I went through the scholarship process until i learned about the "fine print." If you want to join because of your general interest then do so but NOT because of money or you'll be sorry years later .
******Alley******* what kinds of things in this fine print are you talking about?
Diego Gonzalez The longer you extend your training, the more time you’ll “owe” back.
And I’m pretty sure the military physicians salary is tax free, just like how other military salaries are. So if you factor in not having to pay out the ~37% income tax that a civilian physician would have to pay, the wage gap isn’t that huge
Your right , it is not that bad, yet making $300k-$400k more is worth it. Now yes I now that money is not everything but that money Trumps the benefits anyway.
awesome I was a combat medic as well and now i'm in medical school. Proud of you man!
Thank you and thank you for your service as well!
How did you do it? I am interested in following that path!
Thank you sincerely for your service.
+Braden Minteer
Thank you!
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This is why you’re so I touch with what you do, the military has some of the best doctors in the world, the professional attitude is very welcoming, the military saved me life, I own so much to the people who helped me, started a nonprofit for homeless veterans to give back, we’re going to help them gain control of their lives back, our program is designed to help them return to a normal life. You’re a product of being well trained, and your professional attitude is so positive
Great video. I think that it's all on personal preference. I don't think that there's any right or wrong route to take. Military physicians don't get paid as much as civilian doctors, but the training and the leadership experience that you get as a military doctor is by far uncomparable. As a military doctor you learn how to be a leader of men. The things that military Physicians see coming out of medical school, most civilian doctors will probably never see (especially if one gets deployed on a humanitarian mission or combat area). The military physicians that I servered with all had offers from high paying civilian jobs, and most of them decided to stay in and retire and possibly still have time to start their own practice once they retire. All this while still receiving their officers retirement and never having to ever pay any medical school loans. I think it's different for you Dr. Webb because you've been there and done that already. However, you can't compare yourself being a Staff NCO to possibly being the Surgeon General. Lastly, if deployments is a major concerned because of family, you can always choose something like the Medical Service Corps or the Public Health Service Commissioned Corps. They don't deploy unless they're in extreme need. Most PHS service members I've met working at the once Naval Hospital in Bethesda (Now it's Walter Reed) never deployed outside of the States unless they put in request to deploy. Just my input. Again. Thanks for the videos.
And also that 300k builds up interest pretty fast, so people will end up paying more to which it takes more time. And every med school has different tuition rates
Smart move; thank you, Dr. Webb!
Thanks Dr. Webb. Also, great personal story about your time in the military and school. Beautiful. Those are the stairs that makes and shapes greatness.
+Justin Price you are welcome!
Oh yeah, so true. The military tells you where to practice. You’ll lose a lot of freedom & flexibility when you get these military scholarships. Be forewarned, folks.
Thank you for your opinion and explanation of your decision. Just a little additional insight into some areas that you did not mention. How much are you paying annually for malpractice insurance? As an active Army doctor, you do not pay for malpractice. Also, the typical deployment for a MD/DO is 3 months not a year or 18 months. That time period is rare even today for traditional Soldiers. The maximum length of a tour now is 9 months and on occasion maybe a year. MD/DOs serve a very short deployment to ensure that their skills do not degrade/atrophy. Also, you can serve as a reservist and apply for loan repayment of up to $250k with very little commitment (year for year).
So happy that I found your UA-cam page! God bless you, Dr. Webb❤️
thank u for ur service ❤
You may make less in the military, but remember this, saving lives is priceless.
Lucas Rothenberg nah the benefits are great
TheMapTurtles not compared to a regular doctor...
Lucas Rothenberg that’s why people owe debt there entire life. Unless the could afford college or had scholarships.
TheMapTurtles That’s why they pay for college, or at least med school.
actually not true the salary is very similar
Well the salary seems pretty low but to be hones something that motivates me to joins is the experience and that the education is free, medical school is expensive and even more being a first generation student in your family, I don't know much about military but this video was helpful.
I feel the same
Ty for your service sir
This isn't the best comparison. You're completely overlooking residency. During residency military docs are making around $85k while civilian residents are making $45k. $45k isn't enough to pay back your loans and during that time the interest keeps adding up.
It really depends on the specialty of the individual. While it's true you are making 6 figures as an officer in the military what a lot of students don't realize is that it's not guaranteed that you can immediately start your residency after completing medical school which can be a huge turnoff. I'm active duty and I just completed my bachelors degree(working on pre-med courses since my cybersecurity degree didn't have any pre-med options). I've contacted a few schools in Texas which will accept my post 9/11 and Hazelwood act benefits. I plan on applying for UT Southwest Medical Center, Baylor College of Medicine, and UHUHS. Since I'm a Texas native I can graduate from medical school from debt free, apply for residency after med school, and if I chose to stay in Texas(which most likely I will) 50k goes a long way back home with zero debt. Hopefully I will be accepted into an anesthesiologist residency and after four years I would start making 340k in Texas. I did 10 years in the Navy and trust me the money that you would save isn't worth the bullshit the navy puts your through. Don't join the military to make money as a doctor join because you want to serve.
I leave for boot camp in January for the navy and I’m going on as a hospital corpsman my goal is to finish my degree and apply for the military medical school in Maryland *fingers crossed*
+Brianna Addison
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Thanks for the comment and watching! Awesome! Good choice of service (Air Force and Navy are the best branches! 😃) and good luck!
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Thank you for your service.
Cool, "doc" - Navy Corpsman are special people! I've been out of the Marine Corps for many years, but can female corpsman go to FMF (Green side)?
Joe Chuckles Yes they can. I’m a female and I’m going greenside in April!
Did everything go according to your plan?
The biggest thing for me when I researched it was the fact that you may not get into your specialized residency or fellowship because of limited slots. They will force you to do general medicine. And if you do residency first outside of the military then payback your time those years as a general doctor will not allow you to practice and keep up with your skills as a specialist.... With the military option you win in the beginning but lose out big in the end not just financially.
I’m USAF. We don’t have combat medics... the closest thing is Pararescue which is more combat search and rescue than medic, and more special tactics than infantry. Combat medic is 68W army and there’s a Navy corpsman. Please explain this to me brother. Thank you in advance
Emt B I think he’s generalizing his statement so his general audience understands. It’s hard to explain to people you’re an FMF corpsman, or a pararescuemen, etc etc
Wish you would join my Air Force team at Nellis AFB as an Individual Mobilization Augmentee. We started a spine practice here and could’ve used a guy like you on our team!
I believe a lot of points are very valid Dr.webb. A couple things to aid is that while the avg debt is around 200k these loans are in sub and will incur interest during school and residency as most residency salaries are not sufficient enough to pay for living/loan costs. Also, the military most fellowships are civilian sponsored and incur 2x years in pay back. In addition, most competitive specialties and some that are normally not ultra competitive are even more competitive in the military. I strongly suggest anyone considering military fully understand what it means to get put in a GMO position before joining as some docs have to wait 8yrs to become residency trained talk about a loss of income potential. Great video hope people really do their research before joining it’s not for everyone.
Timothy Torrez thank you for adding this! I've been really debating if the military is a good option for me (I'm considering PA or MED school).
For the Med school route, where can I find ACCURATE research? (like you said). I don't quite understand the GMO part? I've heard about it. Where can I find out about this (accurately). Or could you or Dr. Webb explain?
thenightdances21 in my opinion, PA school and the military is a better option. From my understanding there is no residency so you don’t have to worry about that, there is supposedly lots of autonomy but I went med route so I have little info on that.
On the subject of GMO, basically all branches have them but they are more prevalent in the navy and AF, the army has them as well but usually they do a residency and then put in a GMO spot and there skills rot for x amount of time for that assignment. Basically a GMO is after intern year if you don’t match into residency which is about 50% in the Navy and 20% in the AF. I believe you become a flight surgeon. Which is you are a general provider, you don’t do surgery btw so it’s a misnomer. So after your intern year you become a doc for the pilots or a specific group of soldiers. This assignment is usually 2yrs I believe. It does count toward the time you owe the military but you are not residency trained. So you have to make a decision either finish you 4yr commitment as a flight doc and then re -enter the match in the civilian side or apply in the military. If you apply military and match you will gain more years of obligated service 1 for every year of residency.
thenightdances21 also SDN is a decent place to see what some of the military docs think there is a whole forum under military medicine where you can read a lot of info
Timothy Torrez Most military Physicians that I served with retire in the military or they have a great civilian job waiting for them on the outside. Once you have military doctor on your resume, you're set. Furthermore, the training that you'll get as a military Physician can't be compared to on any level. You'll see things that civilian doctors may not see in their entire lives practicing medicine, even being a general practitioner.
Yes, but you have to do a residency to have a great job waiting for you, that was my big point. Also the military care system is changing as they are outsourcing more of there specialty care to civilian sector so if you're a student with hopes on doing a specific fellowship and have have a very specific patient base that may not be available if you do the military. Congress is trying to cut all military specialties that are not involved in war preparedness so that is a lot of specialties that are potentially on the cutting block and that info is straight from the dean at the military medical school USUHS. I am in no way discouraging people from joining I believe it can be a very rewarding career but there is no doubt as Dr. Webb touched on more variables In your pursuit to practice medicine in the military and was one of the reasons why I turned down my HPSP scholarship.
Dr. Webb is a great resource, but he did get some things wrong.
At 7:32 he said that you don't get to pick where you do your training. This is false in the Army. I am doing the army match and have as much say where I match and what specialty I match into as someone in the civilian Match. It is true, however, that I won't get much say where I will practice medicine after residency.
The main factor that is weighted in the army match differently than the civilian match (and other branches from what I've heard) is that prior service experience is considered a serious strength in your application to PDs.
Nope he is right...the army chooses your specialty unless you are on top of your course
Hey Dr. Webb im currently in the Army and got my bachelor's degree while active with a 3.1 GPA. I want to practice medicine and apply to get into medical school. But I know my undergraduate gpa needs to be higher to be more competitive. What can i do since i already graduated?
+Clayton Smith
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Thanks for the comment and watching! Good question. As you know already, medical school is competitive and the most important parts of your application are your MCAT score and GPA. To be competitive, I would say have a GPA of 3.6+. Anything below this, I would recommend considering a post bac program or graduate program where you can show the medical school admissions committee that you can handle medical school despite your GPA. There are several post bac programs out there you just have to search for them online. Also, look into graduate programs as well. I hope this helps and good luck!
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Clayton Smith hey man I just got accepted to medical school with a 3.3 GPA and 507 mcat. Don't let your GPA stop you, kill the mcat and make yourself shine on your AMCAS apps. I guarantee you will get in next cycle
Ch So You got into a US allopathic school with those numbers? That is awesome. Congrats.
You have to remember that the military would Pat for your student loans as well as you don’t have to pay medical malpractice
5:10 you know he’s rich when he says people who make 150k a year don’t make that much
Obviously 150k is nothing against the money you make in the civilian side
With doctors, because they work so much, you’ve always got to look at how much they’re being paid hourly. Most make below minimum wage hourly, with massive debt, until their late thirties, which is a crappy situation
Yin and Yang depends on the specialty. The more specialized you are the better. in my job, psychiatrist gets paid more than 300k a year some even make over 500k. I think being a plastic surgeon for those ugly celebrities pays the most. Gotta make some insecure uglies feel abit more confident.
I am studying to become a doctor in regular Mendivil school in Spain. After that, I would Ike to join the military as a military physician. If anyone knows where I can look up the process to do this, please tell me in the responses of this comment. Thank you.
How would an enlisted soldier become a medical physician through the army?
I am an operating room specialist in Army.. now going to Dental school.
I thought if they put you through medical school you had to sign a contract saying you would serve however long as a Doctor.
As long as you are able to pay the sum that's in the bond you can leave anytime you want
students owe one year of active duty service for each year of support they receive in medical school. If go through a residency program via military you owe 2 year for 1st year of training then 1 year following each after that.
Isn’t it better to become a doctor in the military because they pay for your schooling and then when u get out u don’t have to get anymore schooling and you have that experience??
thats only if you applied for the HPSP scholarship in medical school.
@@qqqq1111212 Can't you apply for the hpsp at the recruiting building
Hi Dr. Webb, do you have students shadowing you? If so, I'd love to shadow you, you inspire me and I'd love to gain experience from you!
Hey doctor Webb, I'm Johnny and I'm thinking of joining the CAF (Canadian Armed Forces) after high school.. I also want to become a Pediatric Cardiothoracic Surgeon (Civilian) my current GPA is a 3.6 in high school. How do I attend school and such after high school? What position should I apply for in the army? How long is it usually to serve? And, would medical schools like this?
You asked about Cardiothoracic Surgery a few weeks ago! Check out this interview here:
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You have to apply to medical school after doing your pre reqs. You can also get a guaranteed position in the military and I think thats the best way to go. Enlistments vary from 2-6 years
Not everything is about money my friend. I respect your choice but did join the military after medical school. I also was enlisted for 7 years. I had to leave the military to complete the last year of my undergraduate degree.
I enjoyed military medicine much more than a civilian practice. The reasons are simply. It was lots less complicated.
I didn't have to worry about operating a business as well as practicing medicine. No worries about malpractice and staffing. I was free to focus on practicing medicine and at the same time providing service to my country.
@Steve Daly what's your specialty if you don't mind me asking? There are certainly advantages to joining military medicine. Lack of malpractice and the pension (especially if prior service). And you can still practice after retiring at 20 years of service. Yet, I think it makes less sense from a lifestyle perspective
@@JordanLambo369 emergency medicine
@@JordanLambo369 The Army does pay us you know..I guess it depends on the lifestyle you seek. The Army provided me and my family a nice home free of charge including utilities by the way. Yes I could have made more money in civilian medicine but I didn't live in pup tent. What I'm saying is the lifestyle of field grade officer isn't one of suffering, we do OK.
@Steve Daly I was in the Coast Guard for 5 years an officer, recently separated. I’m considering using my gi bill for either dental or medical school. If I were to go back in I’d probably pick the Public Health Service out of any branch. Seems like they have a lot of leeway. I know it’s not all about a money, but military is definitely a lifestyle factor. EMS is a pretty interesting specialty. I’m 28 currently and know that it’s a huge commitment at this point. What age did you matriculate?
@@JordanLambo369if you intend on going to medical school, my advice is to hurry the process. The older you get the more difficult it is get accepted. Doesn't seem fair but it's a fact.
Doesn’t the military have student loan repayments. I was deployed to Iraq for a year.
Yes, but it has to be in your initial contract when you first sworn in. If not you will have to reenlist and have it written in your contract.
Dosent the military pay your school debt though depending on how long your contract is?
My dad was a Russian marine for 7 years then moved here to the UK. Now is a doctor
That’s awesome. Thanks for sharing!
aCould you plz explain more about them controlling where you will be practicing medicine?
Hi Dr. Webb, I was a former Engineering student as what my parents wanted me to be, in my 3rd year I shifted to Medical related since it is my dream to be in the field of Medicine. Does it affect my chance in applying Medicine?
I really hope u are doing well rn
Military physicians make less when you don't factor in student loans, housing, books, etc.
HPSP = fantastic choice if you don't want to be paying student loans until you're 80
You can literally pay back your loans in 1 year as an orthopedic surgeon.
@@sfranklin10 Maybe if you live in your car, unable to pay for food, unable to pay for insurance, etc. Not to mention not having a family you need to provide for.
@@sfranklin10well 5 years of residency.
300k student loans vs HSPS scholarship getting paid in medical school.
Air Force will pay significantly more during residency then civilian sector will through benefits + base pay.
Now that your 5 years are up as an ortho surgeon and interest accrued it will take at least 2 years to pay off loans realistically vs an airman who has no student loans, made 100k in med school and has made 200k with 0 debt or living expenses since military covers that.
So at the time of becoming a doctor it’s -450k vs +300k.
Then yes the ortho surgeon will make more and catch up rapidly. To be exact assuming ortho makes 500k per year -expenses the airman does not have it would take 3-5 years depending on where you work and starting salaries. On average it would be 4-5 years because you must also factor money the airman is making during this recovery and catch up time.
It’s not as bad as people think.
If you go to WestPoint, aren't you required to become an officer after attending there for 4 years? I wanna go to WestPoint and then take the HSPS Program. Is that possible?
Great video. Informative as always. I think what folks need to remember is that 1) Dr. Webb practices one of the most lucrative medical specialties. The finances look totally different if you are interested in the primary care specialties, like family medicine, obstetrics/gynecology, psych, pediatrics, etc. For the primary care specialties you will almost definitely come out ahead financially through USUHS or HPSP as the military salary following training is very similar to what one might expect to earn as a hospitalist in the civilian sector. The financial benefits only compound if you already have some student loan debt and are in the position to begin paying it back as a medical student saving thousands of dollars in interest. 2) If you are a doctor in the military, you are a solider first, then a doctor. This decision can't just be about the money.
Dr. Webb thanks for the video and your service. I’m currently conducting research on direct comission to AMEDD as a license social worker with a concentration in medical mental health, I’m finishing up graduate school in May. I would love to know what to expect as an officer overall and the job entails. Such as doing additional stuff outside of the job like combat or other infantry related assignments during deployments or a possible war. Thanks!
The only real reason to do HPSP is if you want to serve in the military. If you do it for the money it isnt worth it.
True!
Unless it pays off your medical school and can stay in the reserves while you still do your civilian career lol.
How long is the military allowed to tell you where you will practice medicine? For instance if I did the HPSP to practice internal medicine, served my time for four years after residency, the military can still tell me where I can and cannot practice?
Missy Diamond someone answer this plz
No, after you serve you’re required service obligation you can leave and practice where you please. The HPSP is a 1:1 service obligation.
^ the service obligation counts AFTER residency.
I want to do emergency med in the military and this sounds kinda discouraging haha.
Military is not for everyone. I suggest talking with a medical recruiter to go over the pros and cons
This is just my opinion
Antonio J. Webb, M.D. I too am interested in Emergency Medicine specialty in the military. Any quick comment as to what their active duty salary would be around? Thanks.
I want to study medicine and join the army. I'm 18 in September and I have one month left of school and then I have to decide what I'm gonna do. But I don't know how anything works or what I'm supposed to do. Do you go to med school first and then the army or it's at the same time? In Spain its 6 years of med school so that'd be a long time before joining the army. So I don't know. Help someone?
Thank you, Dr. Webb! Your answer is exactly what I needed! I was interviewed at some state MD schools this cycle and had been thinking about the airforce scholarship. Based on your reasoning, I think military is not a good option for me because I want to specialize in orthopedics. :)
Awesome! You CAN do it! Its a long road but worth it in the end! Ortho is a great field! Keep up the good work and let me know if you have any questions along the way!
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Hello, so I am going to be a pediatrician but is interested in the air force reserve. However, I am not interested in being deployed because, I really do not want to be involved in anything combat. So I was wondering if there are office jobs that I can take since I would be trained to work with children. Also, as a traditional reservist what would you do during the 2 week period?
How are you a doctor in military and what is the pay and bonuses
So the difference in pay is 300,000? Would it be worth it though after the 20 year mark to retire from the Military assuming you stay active duty. Then receive the benefits and work as a Physician?
Army vet here. I was stationed at Sheppards Air Force Base for a few months.
Nice! I did my tech school there!
Dr. Webb, have you thought about serving in the reserves/air ng since you have 8 years active already?
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Thanks for the question and comment! The military helped me become the person who I am today. Being in the military taught me how to be disciplined (which helped me in medical school and even to this day in residency), how to be resilient (which is extremely helpful in surgery), and how to stay focused. Your military experience does help when it comes to applying for jobs and other positions because it looks good on your CV!
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I think a lot of people go into the military because of money .well I guss thats valid but serving our country and helping those soldiers that fight for out freedome is a hell alot better than just in It for the money man. idk im sorry but thats just my .2 cents.
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@@antoniowebbmd if i become a doctor in the air force can my profession transfer to the civilian world ? or am i only a doctor in the military ?
If you have never enlisted and are going into medicine, nursing, dentistry, idk why you WOUNDN’T join. Financially alone it makes lots of sense. But, 🤷🏻♂️. Unless you know you’ll fail MEPS and you aren’t great with PT or following orders 🤷🏻♂️ then I would understand.
So use the military to be a better person and get experience then be a doc
Correct
Antonio J. Webb, M.D. what about a medic doing special operations is it the same
I’d love to help soldiers in the military because my uncle was once a soldier but they really don’t get paid as much as a civilian doctor and I couldn’t actually move all the way to where they would deploy me. Plus my parents wouldn’t approve of it.
Tıαnα ιѕ Aωєѕoмє parents wouldn’t approve? What a pathetic reason to not do something.
If a person qualifies, is HPSP guaranteed? Would you have done medical school the first time you joined the military if you could? Would you suggest earning BS/BA before joining the military?
Hey I'm a teen... I just wanted to know ...if I finished my training in the military as a surgeon can I leave ???
Hey fellow teen… Same path as you and it’s been a year so you probably found this out but depending on your level of payed education you would have to serve around 7 years before leaving.
No combat medics in airforce btw
LAW LOVEJOY GO ARMY
That's where you're dead wrong. PJ and SOFME are as combat medic as it gets. Not to mention, all medical AFSCs, including certain enlisted 4N0's can see work in a combat AOR.
Pjs and CROs man they are SF combat medicos.
Hey, what degree did you get in the airforce? Badhelors? What kind?
Do you work at the VA Hospital?
So what’s with all the crap about not becoming a doctor because of the money?
Debt can be crippling. You sacrifice years of your life (prime earning years for most folks) to become a physician. When you end your training, you are usually much further behind financially than your peers. You should make the best financial choice you can. The explanation he made is pretty much on par with how other military/doctors have discussed it. See White Coat Investor (military EM).
A month?
How many months are air force deployments
Michael Anderson it’s varies
can nepali people apply for rmilitary doctor?
Wait did this man invent Webb md
Yes
Plus lotsa overtime if u work for CDCR or any other state Ca job
Dr. Webb, I'm very interested in going the military medicine route as well and I am currently looking at different OCS programs. Why did you choose the air force, and what would you do differently being in military medicine?
Air Force has the best locations, accomodations and treat their members the best. I cannot speak about military medicine besides my limited experience as a prior military member but there are pros and cons to the military which maybe i can do a video about
People in other parts of the world would kill to be in the position you are in and all your doing is complaining about how bad it is to make 200k a year. Incredible how spoilt we are as Americans.
Military officer retire out with a long life pension after 20 years. Civilian doctors don’t get that. I rather serve my country and be debt free. Than be a rich doctor that banks of people pains and injuries.
Oooh
Someone get this man and iPad Pro lol
I guess money can buy anything, you should try being a banker.
kenning west alta
The military will pay back your student loans
I guess you make pretty much money by being a youtuber too.
Hmmm noice
This video is biased... the military isn’t for you which is why you’re putting everything about the military in a negative aspect. Majority of the things you’re talking about only applied to you. Everyone’s experience in the military is different.
Are you seriose !!! 200k was not good enough for you ! I’m an idiot because I did stupid things in my life but if I could make 75 k annual I would be so happy. Your generation is sad. You could be extremely happy making 200k annual but it’s not good enough for you. Wow. 😬
I know you have loans and what not but come on dude. The military would pay a lot of that.
So sad our you people see things this way. You know how much I make ? You would cry.
I stopped listening at "Air Force..."
Robert Contreras may I ask why??
Typical Doctor...... It's All About The *Money!!!* WTF!!!
YOU GET INTO MEDICAL SCHOOL!!! AND GET INTO $200,000 IN DEBT!! IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT MONEY!!
ron dill how do you expect doctors to be paid?
ron dill Umm yeah! I doubt seriously that you work for free.
ron dill fucking idiot.
Dog Luvr do you understand how much of a commitment that medicine is compared to other careers. How many years you forfeit getting pain at all. Do some research.
Doc, you focus on money so much for a professional that cares for patients. It’s horrifying