Why I chose PA over Doctor (differences between doctor and PA)
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- Опубліковано 17 січ 2021
- Hey y'all.. this video is for the pre-meds and pre-pa students out there. In this video, I discuss the differences between doctor and PA. If your deciding between going to medical school and PA school, be sure to watch this video!
I discuss why I chose PA over MD/Physician/doctor. At the end of this video, I jump into a quick summary over everything. Listing the pros and cons of the PA profession.
TIME REFERENCES:
Med school info: 00:30
PA school info: 01:04
Salary vs debt: 02:30
Job duties: 04:15
Malpractice: 06:28
Lateral Mobility 06:50
GREAT SUMMARY: 07:50
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I made a lil mistake in the video y'all: Malpractice incidence rate is 1 to 12 PA/Physician ratio *SORRY* at 06:44
Thanks
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I was like huh????
Many of these are actually the reasons why I'm going the MD route. Especially in high-risk fields including surgery and ob-gyn (for poc women), I would actually prefer that longer education and training to support me & my autonomous position.
So true
Hi, how is your MD route going?
@@Nicky-ck2jb Hi! I am currently in my third year of undergrad and am still on the MD route! I'm about to start studying for my MCAT and am applying to med schools during the next cycle! :)
Basically if you don’t want to specialize but you know you want to be a provider and if you want to have less debt and work sooner, be a PA.
If you know what you want to specialize in and go in depth in that field, don’t mind more debt, studying, and learning a lot, go be a Physician.
It all depends on your goals, financial situation, support, and lifestyle. No one choice is the same as another because we are all in different situations.
yup it depends on the situation. rotations can help someone find a specialty that they are interested in.
Going into a Pa Program. Was already going to be going the PA route, this video just reinforced my decision. Great communication skills and presentation. Great character and personable, yet stuck to the talking points. Terrific voice inflection and other non-verbal communication. Overall, one of the best advice videos I've watched on UA-cam! Keep content coming.
Current nursing student pondering PA after a few years of working. Very helpful video! Wish you well in your journey!
The wisest decision for you would be to go the RN to NP (Nurse Practitioner) route. The role is interchangeable with a PA, and in some states you can open your own practice as an NP.
You have no idea how much this video helped, I thank you so much!
I’m not from usa, and it’s my first time to hear abt PA, but it’s interesting to me now to know more about it. :)
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thanks so much for this! The thought of not having Dr. by my name has been eating me up and really making the choice of going to PA school difficult for me even though the career is so much more appealing. Now I realize the title doesn’t matter I’ll be a kick ass healthcare provider either way
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@@takishan weak troll effort. seek help
If that was even a reason to being a doctor in the first place, you weren't meant to be one anyway. Hope PA works out for you!
Hi there! I just subscribed to your channel! It's great to see a new generation of PAs! You guys ROCK!
You should put more credentials after your name. Otherwise people might not think you're important enough.
@@a004 "Once the Black man begins to attain knowledge of self and the world around him, you will find those that would seek to keep him an ignorant beast of burden, twisting their hands in a jealous rage! Be wary of their machinations, for they wish only of you, ill."✊🏾👨🏾🎓👨🏾🔬👨🏾⚕️👨🏿🏫
Thanks Omar !!! Don’t mind the hater below you🙏🏽💪🏼 PAs rock 😝😝
@@DanithePA Thank you, Dani!😃👋🏾👨🏾⚕️
At 6:41, she reverses the ratio of malpractice suits. According to the numbers she quotes (I didn't fact check those) the MD to PA malpractice suit rate is 12:1 or 12 MD suits for every 1 PA suit so MDs are sued about 12x more frequently than PAs. No judgement here, just correcting the statement in the video so you guys can evaluate the risks more accurately. Cheers!
You just saved me it was a miracle to stumble upon this video I love medicine but I can't go to school for that many years I think the PA route is the way to go ❤❤
Specialties like Family medicine may appear that PAs and physicians do the “same thing,” but I should remind everyone that family medicine physicians have at least 7 years of medical training vs 2-3. This means, it might SEEM like they are doing the same job with everyday patients, but the expertise makes a difference in how many referrals are sent out, how complicated patients are managed, unique and specialized medication treatment plans, and ruling out rare but dangerous diseases that physicians have received more training on. This doesn’t mean PAs are bad, simply that it is important to keep in mind that there is a reason why they work under a physician.
Very few doctors have parents who paid their way. (I didn't and most of the doctors I know didn't). Also the salary difference you shared is a bit misleading because even in FM/IM it is possible for doctors to make 300 or even 400k+ a year depending on location and practice setting, whereas there is generally going to be a lower top end compared to the mean with mid level providers. The real selling point for the PA/NP route is being able to have a life in your 20's and 30's and being able to enjoy your financial freedom quicker, which makes a ton of sense for a lot of people as you did a good job of stating.
How could anyone live with themselves knowing they short cutted their way to practicing medicine. This was a major reason why I decided against PA and NP. I didn't go MD either, but chose another path. As a Doctor you will be able to pay your debt very quickly and come out way ahead of a PA/NP in the end. I think the future is grim for PAs and NPs.
@@billr5842I’m a Physician and your comment is incredibly inaccurate and misinformed….. wow. Not sure if you’re trolling or not.
Thank you for making this!
Nice video instead of becoming a Medical Doctor, I’m leaning towards Optometrist or Physician Assistant. I may go with Optometrist
Thank you so much Dani.its very helpful
Uhh... I'm a 4th year med student about to graduate with almost 400k of debt. I don't have rich parents to help pay for loans or school or that already accumulating interest. It's been my childhood dream to become a physician because I wanted the most responsible role in patient's care. So it's pretty offensive to say "go to med school if you have rich parents and such"... It undercuts how much sacrifice and dedication it takes to 1) get accepted into med school, 2) self-pay for med school, 3) sacrifice "your twenties" to studying. To those who are deciding PA vs MD/DO, do it for the right reasons - to care for patients. If it's your dream to be a doctor, then go for it and money will follow later. Med school is a fat delayed gratification, but it will be so worth it in the end. But yea if short-sighted money earning (aka looking at debt vs income) is your motivating factor, then med school probably isn't the right choice.
She did not say "go to med school if you have rich parents and such", she said for a lot of students that amount of debt is a deterrent for medical school when they do not have financial support from their family. For some, they have families/children that need to be taken care of while in school and the prospect of paying for medical school and not making money for many years makes medical school a non-option. For others, it is not possible to get a student loan for that much money as they don't have cosigners with good enough credit to actually obtain a loan to cover tuition and living costs.
Whether we like to admit it or not, medical school is still majorly for the financially privileged, and the advantages of having money come in even before it is time to apply to medical school - it begins with the kind of opportunities you have growing up, what high school and subsequently university you are able to get into, whether you have to work a part time job throughout schooling to cover costs, etc.
It is great that you were able to make it work despite not being in the most financially privileged situation. Unfortunately, a lot of others aren't able to make it work and PA is a great option for those that still want to provide high quality medical care for patients.
@@AB-nb9yr Totally valid point that doing medical school full time is cost-prohibitive in a sense you don't really have time to work part time and finance other potential expenses, like family, children, etc. I know many brilliant classmates in pre-med and med school who could have excelled in med school but decided to choose NP/PA route.
But fuck me if you think med school is for the financially privileged. Sure, most of my classmates have white-collared parents who paved their path. But a good amount of my classmates are first-generation students who were financially on their own. Personally, I grew up in the ghetto, went to three different title I schools, 100% on loans throughout pre-med and med school.
I'm not trying to bash anyone here nor vindicate my personal struggles. I think it's just unhealthy to promote this prohibitive mindset for those who are interested in medical school but are from difficult backgrounds. I felt pretty shitty during my pre-med years hearing about rich classmates who had their entire pre-med to application to medical school paid for by their parents. I'm sure there's some pre-meds here feeling the same. I think we should support the under-privilege too instead of propagating "medical school is for the rich" mentality. Diversity comes in many forms, including socioeconomics.
@@emmanguyen878 I never said med school is ONLY for the financially privileged, which is made obvious by the fact that you were able to do so and as you have previously stated did not have the financial support many of your classmates did. I was simply emphasizing that exact point, that it is a minority that are able to make it work. I really don’t think there is a “med school is for the rich” mentality, I actually think it is the opposite - that “med school is accessible for everyone” when that clearly is not true. Highlighting this and providing it is a reason why looking in to PA alongside many other benefits as was done in this video is not at all degrading those that were able to make med school work on constraints. It is proving information for those that have those financial worries and letting them know their dreams of being a healthcare provider are not obsolete. Ultimately these disadvantages that financially unprivileged people need to be addressed at a government level and systemic changes need to be made. Until then, all we can do is advocate for those changes and make do with what we have.
@@melgarcia1983 consider the HPSP scholarship! Stipen plus medical school covered. If you have your eye on a specialty like vascular surgery or ortho then it may get tricky. If you want to be a physician to help people in any field then consider hpsp. But then again if you just want to help people there are many professions that do so.
Yeah, you're going to need a thicker skin doc if you're offended by that. Someone else can also take offense to you saying doctor is the most responsible part of the medical team when they're writing orders from another room while floor staff are responsible for that patients needs around the clock. It's a collaboration between the entire team; you're not the most important.
Now I know what I want after this video thank you 😭❤ I was confused between dentistry school and doing PA bec I don't want to take the long road way and since dentistry is dien in coming years I would definitely go for PA
omg same
I’ve always wanted to be a doctor never sure on what specialty I just didn’t like the amount of years of school you had to go to be one & didn’t learn about what a PA was until a couple months ago a little after I turned 20 & I decided that’s what I want to be bc I can change specialties when I want to know & I have somewhat similar responsibilities which leads me to starting university at 20 yrs old
If your dream was to be a Dr. Then be a Dr. You will regret not choosing your dream sooner or later. There are ways to pay for school: HPSP, NHCS are 2 examples of full ride scholarships. Also state schools are a lot cheaper ie: FSU tuition is 26k a year. If you just want a good job choose PA, you will regret choosing to be a doc if you just wanted good pay.
Usually who can’t be a doctor.... just glorify being a PA ... I don’t think being a PA is mentally challenging... it’s just following orders
This could not be further from the truth. Do NOT choose to become a PA if you "just want a good job." First of all, admissions panels can smell this mentality a mile away, so you better think of a better reason to become a PA other than job stability. Be a PA because you want to practice medicine and are passionate about quality patient care.
@@narnar7951 Sorry to inform you, but unfortunately that is not what the PA profession entails of. As a PA, you are practicing medicine and seeing, diagnosing, and treating patients independently. You are not "following orders." Please educate yourself before making comments on a profession you're not well versed in.
@@narnar7951 I’m an incoming M1 myself and I don’t agree with that at all. I nearly became a PA after meeting a 25 year old ED PA that was highly trusted by the whole ED doc staff and can easily run traumas herself. Of course, there are some who might not have the capability to become a doctor for other reasons, but that’s not anything you should be ashamed of. Knowing the limits of your ability and still pursuing medicine to help others where you can is just as commendable. Doctors are obviously taught a lot more in depth as they lead the team, but we don’t do it without the rest of the medical staff. The people you work with there aren’t your servants. They all have aspects they specialize in and sometimes, you as a doctor will be following them as well. If you think you’re the only one giving orders in a medical setting, you should not become a doctor.
@@Eirabear380 AAAH tysm for this comment u don’t understand how happy this make meee🥺💗💗 I’m 14 rn and I had doubts about choosing to become a PA because I would hear ppl saying how PA’s have no other role than just following all the doctor’s orders, and we don’t play that much of significance in the medical field because we aren’t called “Dr.” and this comment totally change my mindset 😊
I'm in med school and my best friend is in PA school!! :)
Hi Dani, I am trying to decide which route I want to take! I was always med school, but now I am leaning more PA. I graduate in a few months and plan to get more patient care hours for a year before deciding. Did you shadow any PA's?
I shadowed both physician and PAs before deciding! I think that’s probably the best way to know for sure which route you want to take!
@@DanithePA im only in highschool but I need to start thinking of possible careers. When do you start shadowing and getting clinical hours? As well many people take a gap year to get clinical hours is that recommended?
I’m on my final year of pre med. Always follow your dreams.
How is the balance between school and being able to have kids and a family outside of school? Im in between PA and MD because I do want to have a family one day and worried about if school will rob me of that
Amazing video! I’m debating between nursing, med school or PA!
Gooodluck!!😍🙏🏽
So what did u choose?
@@besratg9207 I still have months before I decide as I am currently finishing my degree. But I am leaning towards applying to nursing in February!
@@nikchrz9251 I wish you success in any decision you make. Good luck
Thanks for doing this video. We are looking at careers for a friend and family members. This super helpful. Keep up the great work. You mentioned that this is a newer profession. How old has it been around the medical field?
In the mid 1960s!
Thanks for this! I had my finger on the submit button for my med school application when I realized it wasn’t right for me- I moved to a PA track. How did you go about finding PAs to shadow?
You can call physician offices. Probably the easiest way. Unless you work with PAs. Or if you or family members see a PA for their care. That’s how I got one of mine.
A quick comment on the tuition and debt. I go to medical school and yes the tuition an debt is high. Dani the PA mentioned that she didn't have the luxury of having family members pay for her room/tuition. I agree with her! It is a big decision. Buti I I just wanted to comment that a vast majority of students take loans to go to medical school and pay for housing. Yes some students have wealthy parents but many do not. I took out max loans each year to pay for medical school. You will have about $200k debt when you graduate but you will earn in residency. Live below your means for a few years in residency and slowly pay it back. Once you get a job as a doctor, many jobs offer bonuses to pay off loans. The average family medicine doc in 2024 is about $250K. Honestly many make more than this. It depends on your location and type of practice. Live frugally for a couple years and you'll definitely pay off your debts in no time. If you choose to specialize you can make $320k+. All this to say don't let money be a discouraging factor. Most of us take out loans and you will pay them back. Any ways, Dani makes really good points in the video and I would consider all the factors she mentioned when making a decision. Medical school is brutal and going into to with any hesitancy is a bad idea. It's a commitment that will take away your entire 20s and even early 30s. Any ways, good luck to everyone pursuing whatever their dreams are. Either profession will earn you a good living to live a good life.
Dream job is to become a PA and go around the world and help people. I don't know how feasible that would be, but hopefully I get what I want.
love this!!
You’re camera quality is amazing 😍 what camera do you use please ?
Canon EOS m50 !!
Heyy can you do a video on what undergrads should know and do to prep for PA school? like internships and grades etc.
Be sure to check out the video on my channel “HOW TO GET INTO PA SCHOOL”
You need a undergraduate degree 2000-5000 hours of clinical care 3.5 gpa or above pass the pa-cat (some school) get your license.
Hi!! Amazing video!! Im debating about going for nursing than PA rather than NP because Im not sure what undergrad degree I would get that could actually be useful? Thanks!!!
if you decide the PA route you can do maybe health sciences or biology as your undergrad
hi may i ask what camera did u use in this video?
loved the video! did you ever think about going the NP route?
No because when I found out about PA, I was in my junior year of college already majoring in Biology!
At the moment I am in between PA and physical therapist. I am thinking either sports medicine, orthopedics, or emergency medicine. My issue with PT is that you don’t get to diagnose but only treat the condition. But I could do that if I wanted to sports medicine I think. For my patient care hours I am going to become a EMT/paramedic and I hope that will help me decide.
you can diagnose with PT any musuculoskeletal or neuro injury
Not sure what state you’re in or planning to practice in but in many states you cannot diagnose as a PT and I’m unsure if this is everywhere but many PTs I’ve spoken with cant even release patients back to work. Like the person above mentioned, I’d look into sports medicine podiatry it’s a good pathway. Or besides a sports medicine Doc there’s always PM&R which may interest you if you’re debating between physical therapy!
Would you ever consider going back and completing an MD?
I thought about becoming an PA or NP for some time but I couldn’t imagine myself being either one. Sure, PA’s and NP’s have good work life balance, good hours, good pay, etc. But I decided that I’m going MD because I’ve always wanted to become a doctor and it’s what my heart desires for so I’m pursuing that path. Wish me luck and good luck to everyone pursuing PA, NP, or MD, you got this. 💪
MD isn’t a doctor. You are physician not the same. You must earn a PhD to be called a doctor.
@@eb4676 Please tell me you're joking lol. MD stands for "Doctor of Medicine," bud. It's a doctorate degree. You're addressed as "Dr. *insert your name*." It's the same for a DO (Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine). PhD stands for "Doctor of Philosophy." Anyone who obtains a doctorate degree is technically a "doctor."
MD is a medical doctor, and its the toughest path to be called as a doctor. any average person can pursue Phd if you have a masters degree in any stream, science arts or history... what ever,,, even some one with music degree can earn a doctrote with PhD in their specialities
If a PA wanted to switch specialties, how would they learn the specialty in order to treat patients without going back to school?
On the job training or a residency!
Currently I’m a sophomore in high school that has been researching a lot about PAs and MDs. I think I’m leaning towards the MD route though because I might not know which specialty I like best now, within the 4 years of medical school I’ll learn and see which one suits me. Also I live really close to a great medical school that would ultimately be better financially than going to a PA school that is hours away from where I live now. To add on, I’m graduating high school with my associates degree, so after high school I only have 6 years of schooling (including medical school, not including residency)
Wow that is awesome. Looks like you are ahead of the game and will be a great asset to the medical community 🤘🏻👏🏻
Try and actually apply for med school first. Its not easily said then done
Wait ?! if u get an associates degree u don’t need to get a 4 year bachelor degree ? Can u please explain this if it’s ok with u ☺️
@@iiitsnoor well a bachelor’s degree is 4 years but the first 2 years are an associate’s degree, so it’s just 2 more years
I also completed my associates in high school it’s definitely a huge time and money saver! I thought I was set on PA and now I’m back to deciding between MD too. You definitely have plenty of time to make up your mind. Shadowing is key to deciding. I’ve shadowed many MDs but not a lot of PAs are near me so that’s made my decision difficult, having not been able see a PA practice. The time factor doesn’t bother me of med school but since I have my associates, being able to start practicing at 22 as a PA is very tempting😅
Currently i’m a junior in high school, and my gpa is only a 3.5. I’m in a vocational school that’ll give me the clinical hours I need. I get certified as a home health aide, and a CNA. Both junior and senior year I get clinical hours and college credits. Now I really want to work in pediatrics, but I’m not sure if I want to be an ER pediatric nurse, or a pediatric travel nurse. It was my dream to be a pediatric doctor, but I don’t think I am qualified enough. I also have heard that nurses get more patient time. I’ve never taken an AP class, or an honors class, and I don’t plan on taking the SATs. I also have an IEP. (Diagnosed with adhd, and dyslexia. I also struggled with depression, and anxiety.) What do I do? How can I make it so i can become a pediatrician? Or would it be better to become a PA?
Super helpful
How did you manage to gain clinical experience while being a full time student? Would you recommend taking a gap year after college to earn a 1000+ hours?
Not a PA but I've heard that a lot of med schools actually love it if you take a gap year proven that said year is full of activities
become a medical scribe or train to become a medical assistant
As longest am enjoying it i will be fine am between pa or md but am just starting my undergrad but i also have medical assistant certification so i can use that as an experience to see if I really like healthcare career
Chose the physician route. Debt is indeed a big problem. Doesn’t impact my decision though. Worldwide acceptance was the most important thing to me.
How’s the semester going
I think i want to study medicine because i don’t mind studying in my 20s and early 30s, and I’m interested in performing surgery too and don’t want to cross out that option. Only im slightly worried that the PA’s of the future will be qualified to do more and more of the tasks that a physician has (which is great for efficient patiënt care!), which only leaves the physician to check and agree/disagree on things the PA’s suggests/decides. I worry that as a physician i will not examine/talk to patients as much as i would like to see in my future career. Are these concerns of mine justified?
Some extra info: i am willing to start my medicine journey. I am very passionate about the science, skills and ethics behind medicine and am currently studying for Radiology Technician but I feel like after a few years of working that won’t be challenging enough for me anymore. I would say i have the time and financial situation to study medicine. But I don’t want to find out that after like 10 years of studying all the patient related tasks are done by the PA and i will only have to sit behind a desk and confirm everything for the PA who gets to do the more in person parts of patient care.
Anyone who can help me with this? Because then maybe PA could also be a possible career for me.
Then go ahead and do med school. I’m a PA. There’s no way physicians will be phased out. We are not taking over their jobs. We are helping out because of increased patient load. I am interviewing for a position with general surgery, clinic only. They are adding a PA because the patients on their waitlists for appointments are so many. So they need me (or whoever they hire) to start seeing some of their patients (mostly post op) so they are able to get in more patients quicker. I love general surgery. But compared to you I would not want to perform surgery, but I love assisting and closing which is why PA is perfect for me.
I’m currently studying as a Kin exercise science major for my B.S, and I want to become a PA because it fit what I was going for when it came to taking care of people. I didn’t want to be the head person but I also didn’t want to be just a nurse I wanted to be in between so this is perfect for me .
For the people in here, please do not overhype the PA profession. I started out as a PA and proceeded to Med School and now a Cardiothoracic surgeon.
PAs are not even close to MDs. The depth of education, length of training and experience.
It cringes me to hear some PAs think so highly of themselves and act like they know so much things. Be kind to other staff especially the Nurses and techs. As a PA and MD myself, I can attest that PA profession is so overly hyped and many PAs out there are just bluntly delusional 🙄
i dont think i’ve gotten a job offer for less than 210 unless it was at the VA doing almost nothing. Also, reason they are sued less is due to the physician usually being named and also physicians carry much more liability esp in surgical specialties. No one is going to “sue” a surgical PA
right lol
Not true. PAs have to pay for liability insurance just like everyone else.
The reason is because PAs choose their SP very carefully and we do low acuity routine procedures starting out. Also there's only 100,00 of us.
@@daddy3484 i mentioned much more not we carry it and PAs do not.
Hii:) which specialty is your favorite?
I haven’t done all of them yet, but so far ER🤘🏻
The salary also depends on what state you live in. Starting salary in De is 100k in another state its 80k. Still good salaries though
Debt should never derail you from what you want to do. As a MD/DO you will make money in due time and plus there's programs or residencies that help forgive some loans. If you wanna be a doctor, be a doctor. Don't let finances scare you.
I disagree. Depends what your reasons are for becoming a doctor & what lifestyle you want to live in the future. Having debt is a serious burden and would have prevented me from living the life I want.
@@DanithePA yes, you have to take everything into consideration as lifestyle is always the most important aspect of what you shape your future around. However, if you don't mind the lifestyle, debt shouldn't scare you from pursuing a more rigorous and lengthy form of education. MD/DO professionals know they're going to a school with a profession that is accompanied by late-gratification. Many people in the world nowadays want instant gratification, and if that's what you want do that. However at the end of the day, if you don't mind the sacrafices and still want to be a doctor, debt should not be a factor to opt out. You will make your money back eventually within 2-3 years full time of work making 200-300k/year like all the doctors out there.
It's not guaranteed you'll be matched into residency after medical school. It's not all that uncommon to go unmatched and left without a job and with ~400k of debt. It's inequitable, but there's a reason most med students come from wealthy families who don't need to take out loans.
@@Th3Fr3m more rigorous form of education? Have you gone to PA school?? And money does matter when making a decision between PA and MD. Also PAs don't have to get into a residency program as MDs do. PA is a really good deal.
@@fernandohmoran are you telling me PA school for 2 years is more rigorous that MD/DO school for 4 years. Doubt it. It may be rigious, but double that in med school is more taxing.
In the end I'm saying the pay off and the opportunities you have as an MD/DO will make it easier to write off your loans especially with loan forgiveness programs. Plus having way more autonomy and opportunities to expand on medical buisness and potential administration work....more doors are open for generating passive and active income.
You're amazing
That’s you 😜
I did not take a masters degree to be referred to as an "assistant".
I feel like they need to re-name the PA profession. I feel like the name makes it seem so much less than it really is in truth.
It had been approved this week. It will be changed to Physician Associate
@@WWERULES001 *Fingers Crossed* it will be approved on a legal level. Many Physician Organizations (MD/DO) are going to fight it, and might sue.
@@adr77510 they deserve the better tittle. My derm is a PA and she has done amazing work. I’ve never even seen what the doctor of that practice looks like.she has done all my biopsies, education, etc.
I was wondering will there ever be a bridge from PA to Doctor? I mean, it's been the talk of the town for so many years that seems to have no answer. There's a bridge for nurses to NP but once you're a PA that's pretty much it. I think there should be a bridge, maybe an extra year of schooling and then depending on how long you've been a PA your residency should be cut down accordingly. What do you think?
The bridge from nursing to NP is an undergrad education to a graduate level education. There’s a sequence for nurses to gain higher education starting from ASN, to BSN, to MSN, to DNP. PA does not have this sequence. Simply, If one wants to be a PA they should go that route and same with MD/DO. Most people that become PAs are choosing that because they want to be a PA period. They are not choosing the profession as a fall back or a stepping stone to become a physician.
If you wanna be a physician, you gotta go to med school. Just how it is, and I’d hope that isn’t changing any time soon…
There is currently (as far as I'm aware) one PA to DO programme that exists. The issue is that there's no real reason to have such a programme given the massive depth discrepancy between US PA schools and medical programmes, and similarly little value in comparing the working practice of a PA with the very rigorous training that continues during medical residency. That would essentially be allowing people to 'skip' years of medical training which is not a good idea.
@@ollieburtonuk I respect very much the training and years of study doctors are required to do. However, I disagree with your views somewhat. A PA to MD bridge program could be a grat program for many PAs who eventually want to become MDs. Med school is 2 years didactic and 2 years clinical rotations. PA school is half that. Could there not be a program that builds on the foundation of PA school and PA experience by having 1 year of didactic and 1 year rotations, followed by a residency? Seeing as PAs often practice autonomously, that is fantastic base to build on and in the end wouldn't have any "skipping" years of medical training. In the end, I think the final product would absolutely be comparable because the PA would end up with the same amount of schooling, have on the job training, and then do a residency. It just seems silly to totally disregard a PAs training and experience and make them go through complete med school, relearning much of the material they already know. This route would basically just be a different path to learning the depth of knowledge needed to have the honor of being a physician.
@@TheMedicineCouch But therein lies the problem I think, without having done medical school, they haven't done medical school. The issue with treating autonomous practice as experience in that way is that there's no comparable standard. This is why physicians undergo years at medical school, take standardised exams and then standardised postgraduate training and exams - the same in the UK where I work. The value is that there is a standard that all attendings/consultants etc should know. But that standard starts to be built all the way from the beginning of medical school. So on the one hand I think it's possible that across the world we might start seeing standardised postgraduate specialty exams for PAs, my view is essentially that to be on par with a physician, you have to go to medical school and meet the same standards. This is actually what happened with DOs in the US! The best people to ask I suppose would be those who have done both.
It depends what State you live in right, as far as if a PA or NP can work alone? In Wisconsin PA's can only work under a doctor, but NP's can work independent. That's weird I know 😂.
Love your videos how’s PA school going
It’s going great! Almost done. Thanks for watching 🥺
@@DanithePA that’s great I’m glad to hear it. If you don’t mind me asking which clinical shift did you like the most and why?
wait i'm confused , so who gets sued more PAs or doctors ?
Doctors
What is the pa?
currently a nursing student watching this.
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Is PCA a good clinical hours for PA school?
As long as you’re giving direct patient care to patients. I’m assuming you’re meaning like CNA. I did CNA for 2.5 years and then MA for another 2.5 years before getting into PA school
Hi! Can I become a PA and work in the OBGYN dept??
Pretty sure you can
May I know what PA-C stands for?
Physician assistant/associate. The “-C” means they are board certified and have passed the PANCE exam.
Will I have my own social life if I become a PA
I am a ER PA and I absolutely love my career, it has been fulfilling and i feel i have made an impact on the world. PAs are well respected by most of society and can work autonomously while making decent money. But with that being said, if i could go back in time, i would have gone to medical school. This is why (this applies mainly to Emergency Medicine as i can't speak to all fields of medicine)...
Money: As far as money goes, Physicians make twice as much money, doing almost the exact same job in the ER. Also, the whole work life balance argument in the field of Emergency Medicine isn't valid in my opinion. Most of the docs i know and work with, work the same amount of hours or less than the APPs and make significantly more money.
The Job: Additionally, while this is not the case at all Emergency Rooms, the majority of ERs leave higher acuity patients such as codes, intubations, and super sick patients for the MDs; while the PAs typically see lower acuity patients. Of course, I have seen sick patients in my career many times and there are exceptions to this rule, but mid levels will usually spend more of their time seeing lower acuity patients in the ER setting than their MD/DO counterparts. Also, I have experienced many times where physicians in other specialties show a great deal of disrespect because i am a mid level. Some docs only accept physician to physician transfers, or will look down on you and ask to speak with your attending regarding a patient because you are not a doctor. And while many docs love and respect PAs, you will always have to deal with asshole docs who do not respect you because you aren't a physician.
Be prepared for people to ask you why you didn't become a doctor, for patients to ask to see a doctor instead of you, or for people to think that you weren't smart enough to go through medical school. Obviously this isn't true and luckily I don't care what people think, but if this is a problem for you, do not go the PA route.
Student Debt: When it comes to debt, i sat down one day and actually calculated the average debt for PA students vs med students. I included the 3-4 years of residency when the PA is making more money and even calculated the interest a doctor would have accrued on their student loan debt throughout their residency and start of career. I then took the average salary for ER PA and ER Doc and calculated how much money they would earn by retirement age. I found that by age 65, an MD or DO would have paid off their student debt and made about 3-5 times more money than a PA would have in their career.
Being the boss: 90% of the time, you will be autonomous. However, unless you own your own clinic, you will never be the boss. Period. A lot of people don't care about this and most of the time i don't either, but their has definitely been times where i wish i was the one calling the shots. Sometimes it feels like you are a permanent resident. Your attending will always be the one calling the shots and the buck ultimately stops with them.
Much love to all the PAs, NPs, MDs, and DOs! They are all equally important in their roles.. Just wanted to provide some honest feedback on some of the arguments that are made against going to med school. Always be informed when making such a big life decision!
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Please help me I need to do my master in pa please help to get admission in your university please
you are a pretty PA :)
How much can a PA do in surgery? Specifically cardiothoracic surgery? I want to be MD/DO but I’m scared of the idea of being stuck in one specialty
Always will be first assist, or maybe second depending on if there is a resident or fellow present. PAs won't be the primary
@@mattgehm7827 not true. Alot of PAs can go in solo on certain procedures . Depends on the scope of the PA and the relationship with the consultant physician
@@WWERULES001 define solo proceedure? They aren't replacing a knee by themselves or resecting a parathyroid adenoma. But sutures, chest tubes, intubation, sure they do those all the time
@@WWERULES001 and judging by the fact that you used the term consultant and not attending I'm gonna assume your from the UK and not the USA where regulations may be different
@@mattgehm7827 i know a plastics PA that does rhinoplasty, BBL and breast augmentation in California.
Did she deleted her videos 😔
They will be back up soon! I have to make some edits to them.
@@DanithePA oh ok, Thanks!!
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Does pa can use dr as prefix
Can anyone plz rply😊😊
No, unless if a PA has a doctoral degree, they cannot use a Dr title. And even if they do have a doctorate, they most likely won't be allowed to use the Dr title while working, as that is VERY misleading.
@@hinnah5954yep was going to say the same thing. The Dr. Title for a PA would be more in educational settings (like my past program director). In clinic she was never called Dr. Even though she had her doctorate.
You almost looked like Gal Gadot
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Wow, before watching I did not mind seeing a PA but now I have my doubts.
U mind elaborating?
How a doctor cares for their patient depends heavily on the insurance companies, so they don’t have as much autonomy as most may think
Other comparisons in history:
Chartered accountant vs account clerk
Judge/Lawyer vs paralegal
CEO vs office administrator
Dentist vs dental hygienist
Pharmacist vs pharmacy tech
Ship captain vs deck hand
Military general vs private
You get my point.
Lol. Dumbest comment in history. You clearly lack brains as PAs advanced Practice Providers
How do you feel about PAs being listed the best job in the US by USA News? I'm sure it hurt your sensitive self 🤣! In reality PAs do much of the same things as doctors. They also have a much better work/life balance, receive a higher salary than 95% of jobs out there AND have the option to switch specialties!
It's no wonder that so many doctors regret their decision to go to med school and the fact that physicians have some of the highest rates of depression in the country. Being a doctor is hard, a ton of work, and unless if you LOVE medicine, it truly isn't worth it.
why you hide your video dany? there's anything wrong?
The Reddit trolls
what happened to all the new videos?
I think a lot of nuance is lost when you simply gloss over the fact that both PAs and doctors can diagnose and prescribe medicines. Within the context of a GP / family medicine doctor the rules are more similar to PAs, and the day-to-day is very similar.
However, once you start to become more specialized and not a generalist the differences really begin to shine. Doctors are considered subject matter experts and have complete qualifications to manage very complex cases. PA's by comparison handle a lot of the day-to-day more routine / bread and butter cases that can help lighten the load so we can focus on more complex diagnoses and management.
As for liability, while it is true that PAs are less likely to get sued that is because they have less legal autonomy and are under the liability of a physician. The way you stated that doctors get sued more implies that they are poor practitioners compared to PAs.
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It's really sad places would rather hire PA's than physicians for cheaper labor
Stopped watching at "I didn't have the luxury of family members who would pay for me". Plenty of med students take loans. And work jobs. Lose the entitlement.
As a med student, I hope you aren't one. She wasn't insinuating med students parents pay for things at all, she was giving you her circumstance and thought process. Lose the fragile ego.
many med schools prohibit students from working while at school since med school requires so much attention. it's a well known fact that doctors usually don't pay off their school debt until their 30s
What is PA school? Lol what the hell
Nah you just couldn’t get into med school 😛
Basically PA if you cant get into medical school
Nope
you chose a PA because you are poor in your academics and don't want to run the competitive route of being best in school, good at MCAT, doing your medical interview... Long story short....
Some PAs (very few) actually perform their own surgeries- after practicing with the same surgeon for 10-15 years. Kaiser nor cal allows this. They typically do routine procedures- appendectomies, cholecystectomies, hernia repairs. I am PA-S2 fyi
What state is that in because that's the first I have ever heard of that
@@mattgehm7827 California- its still rare here, but it does happen (when the PAs have many years of experience with the same surgeon/group). Scope here is determined at the practice level.
@@jt3013 looks likes it's with the permission from the physician though
@@mattgehm7827 oh yeah of course
yikes. That sounds incredibly dangerous
Huge huge difference’s definitely. Pa school is clown school in comparison to Med school. Same with the PA cat vs the Mcat. Maybe 5-10% of PA programs require the PA Cat. A PA is nowhere near a doctor hate to say it.
I hear PA school is just as competitive as Med school!
It's not.
It is. It is common that most people have to apply 2-3x to get accepted into a PA program.
@@MeaB15 That doesn't make it as competitive. Most accepted medical students have excelled in academics and have numerous extracurriculars. If you compare the average medical student and the average PA student, the medical student will have stronger qualifications. It's just a statement of fact.
@@southpaux4 PA school is way harder than MD school just saying.
@@WWERULES001 it’s really not 😂 Stop comparing PA and MD
You really made a video comparing and MD to a PA?
That’s like comparing a Rolls Royce to a Hyundai.
Anyway jokes aside, you have a lot of misleading information in your video. I can tell you are trying to promote your profession and all but really, let’s be honest, most people would want to be an MD over anything else any day.
Autonomy, complexity of work, salary, respect all way higher being and MD.
I agree the sacrifice is there for MD in terms of time, stress and financial debt but life is about challenge and if you enjoy that then MD all the way.
Its like comparing a ferrari to a lamborghini. You are one silly person and pray you arent a doctor let alone a PA.The service provided is purely based on that of the practitioner. Some people in other professions such as business and law feel the same way about being an MD. If someone wants to be a PA that doesnt make them any less of a person compared to an MD and dont you forget that.
@@WWERULES001 you are clearly undermining the amount of clinical hours, exams and hurdles MD students have to go through. She herself said PA is a new field and yet compares the malpractice ratio of 1;12. It is very easy to not take responsibility for patient safety, be on the sideline while still earning the recognition and the money. PAs are not equal to MD. If PAs ,RNs want to be doctors then they should go through med school.
@@teenagoel1771 PAs develop practical hours as they go. PAs go to medical school. If you are referring to residency then that is different but you keep forgetting that PAs are generalists ONLY. And in terms of comparison I stand with what I said. doctors are not better than PAs, im sorry. The fact that you compare two fields together shows how desperate you are to prove that you are better than someone which is very sad. Long gone are the days of academic prestige, any tom dick and harry can go to uni or earn big money. I am an MD please stop giving us a bad name. Our focus is patient care and not competiton. If PAs are not accredited or safe they would be wiped out overnight. They are here to stay so deal with it.
Get off your high horse. I'm a medical student, and I would never say or think what you just said. *Patient care surpasses titles.* I really hope you're not a Doctor/Medical Student with that ego & attitude.
@@anja3634 PAs go to medical school and earn a masters. Physicians go to medical school and also earn a masters. An MD is not a doctorate degree, its a masters. Shut up already
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MDs are not doctors but Physicians. PhD must be earned to be called a Doctor.
No. MDs and DOs can be called doctor or physician interchangeably. Anyone with phDs cannot be called doctor in a clinic setting (like a PA or NP getting their doctorate). I’m a PA.