fits was robbed the best sombra. i just dont remember anyone doing as well as fits on sombra in the game and also the east has better sombras such as lip, jinmu ect
He shouldve had a role star over hadi 100% and arguably over reiner with that god awful jq play, and just okay winston, but smurf is 100% the more versatile tank player
@@corndogguy2373 true I would say Hadi isn’t even top 5 for me someone is that 5th tank who was the only true hyperflex after Smurf (this is based off of what they played in game)
@@ShotByThomasGA I’m fine with Reiner because of the two tornament victories and him being a part of those because I can see the argument but Hadi is outrageous if he hadn’t been on a bad team last year he would not have been role star
It's crazy Danteh actually owns the more tank spots consistently than any other single player. First year on it and taking 3 slots (even if 2 of them are arguably not too relevant), and of course Hanbin taking a few spots as well. :) Texas boys holding down a lot of those slots. Glad to see Whoru honestly get the Genji spot. He was just so absurdly dominant on it individually. :) I know there are a ton of Soujerns too, but to me it was Merit and only Merit pretty much all year. Any time he was on her, he took over pretty much save for like Houston's last match against Shock where Proper just hit another level..but over the entire year? It has to be his former teammate.
Throughout the year proper barely played sojourn, really only sometimes on circuit royal. Mer1t, Lip or Shy definitely showed the most good plays throughout the season since they are the team's designated Hitscans, but once proper picked her up and it came to the head to head? I think he diffed pretty much everyone.
Danteh went from Minecraft pro to the Shock's placeholder before Sinatraa turned 18 to the best sombra and one of the best tracers of season 1 to one of the most versatile tank players in the world.
I honestly thought mikeyy was the best ball this year. The shock picked him up in the middle of the season, out of nowhere, for him to mostly be a ball specialist and he made it work. I feel like he wasn’t talked enough about when he set up the shock as well as he did for them to flex to different metas in the middle of the season, but ig that’s the consequence when propers out there just killing everyone.
Mikey was a great ball, just sucked the Shock couldn't win with him hardly ever :( They started coordinating better with him in the playoffs after their loss to Outlaws, but before then... for whatever reason, they just couldn't seem to win with him in? But I always thought he was a pretty good Ball player and probably had some of the top play time on him too
@@CrazeeAdam imo his ball looked amazing in stage 2, they almost always won with him on ball at first. Once he started flexing onto Winston they really looked worse though. Feels like when he was on ball and they were playing control though, they were almost undefeated.
I think Nero also played him this year on Circuit if I'm not mistaken? And a few other times Reign pulled him out. I think Proper was the flashiest, but it was against Titans who were horrible at the time. Nero pulled him out like seriously to try and counter London's rush if I'm not mistaken early in the year and a few other times.
@@elpomodoro1614 at his peak, definitely. He looked like the best Hitscan out there. But this is about how good players were throughout the season, not what the biggest highlight was.
The kiriko pick is legitimately just wrong imo. Fielder's style was a principle reason why dallas were so dominant - his charge rate from healing far exceeded terus and other, similar kiriko's, leading to faster ults - the primary fight winners in the meta.
Never mind his charge rate, watching the vods back you can see his game sense on the hero is pristine. Unlike Teru he was virtually unkillable and had perfect suzu and ult timings in every game. This is the most egregious snub on the list imo and it’s not close
“I’m looking at it as a whole” then pick proper as best sojourn, a player who had 2 good matches and got diffed by every single sojourn in playoff until Shock dump all resources into him
mmm. true. Like if we're looking at entire year? How could you not pick Merit or Shy? Or Lip even? Like those guys were pretty nuts all year, despite going down to Proper in the playoffs... and don't forget in the playoffs Shock and Proper lost to Merit and Houston as well once..so he got diffed then too. Kind of weird choosing him over some of the people who played Soujern more, and were better for longer.
"spark made teru's play style work" yes, until they came across fielders play style. This is like giving the award to ground pharah. Fundamentally playing the hero incorrectly. Kirikos biggest value is from rush ult not dps.
Bro yeah, teru over fielder in kiriko is wild💀 fielder was clearly the best kiriko in the league with the correct playstyle. Jake made a great video about it. Fielder all the way
@@HMODY2269 thats true but irrelevant, simply because his name starts and ends with "proper" which makes him default best player on every hero in the game (/s if you couldnt tell by now)
Proper gets best Sojourn after only playing it during Playoffs. Fearless doesn't get best Winston because he only played it during Playoffs. Some weird biases.
Fearless is flat out my favourite player but I can understand him not getting the nod after only having a fantastic playoffs performance Proper over Lip on Sojourn though? That’s psych-evaluation time levels of wrong
You pick Smurf over Fearless because he had better performances throughout the year, which is something I agree on. But then you pick Proper (sojourn) and Striker (reaper) over Shy/Lip and Edison. Why does the argument of doing well throughout the year only applies to Smurf?
Dva: void Ball: fate Soldier: LIP (clearly) Yes even this year, statistically and in value Mercy: Superrich (Yveltal didn’t play) Kiriko: Fielder Sym: SparkR Reaper: Edison Winston: Smurf, Guxue/Someone by stats Genji: WhoRU but stats wise proper sweeps Torb: Alphayi but stats wise proper sweeps Mei: backbone, by stats checkmate sweeps Zarya: Hanbin, by stats someone sweeps Ashe: MN3 higher peak and LIP my stats but Heesu by playtime There are many heroes like mercy where the best player didn’t play. Like yveltal in this case. Or didn’t play much like LIP, Shy and MN3 on hitscan.
It's kinda the only one I don't necessarily agree with at all. Like Proper was great in the playoffs... but those two guys and Merit were great on Soujern all year, and clutch too. I would prefer going with "how long did this player play this hero well" than choosing proper cause he popped off in the playoffs after getting actually pretty schooled by Merit and the Outlaws in the upper bracket. =/ like... he was great on her in the playoffs no doubt, but it's not exactly like he was "known" for his Soujern play in the regular season. That was like Sam, Kilo or anyone else for the most part.
@@CrazeeAdam he showed glimpses of it in stage 2 and 4, we had already seen that proper was a great sojourn, but i still agree with you that shy lip and merit all make a case to be better
for me for sojourn i would go for lip ( shy said in interview that lip is scariest sojourn when danny ask who is the best sojourn ) and just watch during play-off he was putting some nasty clip even during regular
That was mostly Reiner's tempo issue, though. As soon as Space came in, everything clicked. Even the other teams said that if they had just played Space sooner, they would have been a favorite to win that tournament as well. They were also trying to coordinate with a new player after losing a strong starting DPS that had a great Sojourn and played well with Kevster.
Your video really highlights how much Danteh really stepped up yet was robbed. Best of 3 tank heroes and no Role Star, along with a serviceable Winston. i love Hadi. but i would've gave it to Danteh over him. if the votes happened during/after the playoffs, perhaps he would've earned it
mmhmm. And the fact is, he hadn't been practicing Winston until like the week prior when the meta was starting to shift and form to a dive one. The fact that him and his team made it all the way to top 3 in league despite him having very little experience on Winston just shows how much of an impactful and talented player he is. And why he'll be one of the few people to make it every year in the league next season still. I think Hadi got a role star/MVP nod over Danteh because of popularity tbh? Like him Danteh serve as the same thing for their teams, Danteh is also the leader, the person that the team relies on much like Hadi, except Danteh's team just won more during the season, across many different metas, and generally beat the Spitfire soundly every time.
@@morechoicer4496 true.. I do think Orisa was a really good strat on their control maps though. They looked pretty dang unstoppable most of the time when he pulled it out on Control, and not like against weaker teams, teams like the Shock, Fuel, and more during that last stage and the play offs. While the time on her wasn't vast, it was pretty impactful to have a pocket strat that teams just didn't seem to know how to deal with when played at that sort of tempo and level. The Hog is much more niche and I think he realistically pulled it out like 3 or 4 times total, he did run Orisa a bit more though
The tanks he is best at were barely played, barely contested, not relevant etc. I respect him but let’s not act like he was like the best on multiple relevant hero’s xD he wasn’t.
I honestly would've taken Kalios on Orisa over him and it's not like Houston were the only ones to make hog work (think back to I think stage 2 with coluge and Reiner going hog on oasis city centre).
Honestly if you picked Proper just because of Playoffs (I personally think Lip was the better Sojourn), I don't see how Fearless didn't win best Winston
Striker def didn't outplay sp9rk1e on the reaper if anything it was the opposite even though they both played well in the finals. Also proper is insane but best sojourn is def either lip or shy, especially if you make the smurf>fearless argument because of regular season, that should count here as well, and it's not like lip/shy even got outplayed by proper imo they both had better performances than proper in their matachups their team just sucked. Fielder is the better kiriko than teru although teru is more flashy. Pretty decent list overall tho
Nah, Fielder Ana over Shu when Shu's Ana was such a huge part of Glads tournament success and how highly he's regarded among pros (Danteh, your best Doom, mentioned on stream recently how hard it was to play Doom vs top 3 flex supports because they wouldn't miss sleeps, and when questioned who these top 3 were, the first name he mentioned was Shu - also mentioned Finn, no third name given). Some weird bias against Shu's playmaker style too, just stating that Fielder's healing-focused style is the right one as a matter of fact. I love Fielder, and think he was easily the best Kiriko, but Ana was Shu's hero.
Yeah when your the player of the match for basically the mid season playoffs on Ana and you give it to striker for his playoffs performance it seems weird
I get shu is cracked but he only really stood out mid season tournaments whereas fielder is consistently good all year on Ana and even stands out amongst the massive talent the fuel has with his mechanical ability and awareness and I feel its justified putting him as the best Ana because he may not he the flashier Ana like shu for example but he just consistently putting the plays and numbers in
@Battle Blobfish I mean shu only stood out playing Ana in the mid season tournament whereas all year whenever the 2 played Ana fielder was consistently better for me and it showed with how he carried fuel where glads just didn't do consistently
To me, WhoRU is the best Genji to ever touch the game. He's been absolutely dominant on the hero since APEX S2. Highest skill ceiling and highest impact. If Genji had been as relevant as other DPS heroes in OWL, he would've been pounding for years.
Sojourn: LIP, proper himself said so. Yes maybe if proper had more play time he would have been the best, but he didn’t, he had a very short window of time to learn her and got top 3, kicking out mer1t after triple deadlifting against him. Genji: Statistically proper across the board but WhoRU did come close with way less help and had to play first half of the year in horrible living conditions with 300 ping. Tracer: Proper no contest, sweeps the stats against kevster while having a lesser team, better stats in head to head, better stats in losing matches. Etc. Soldier: LIP is the best hitscan player ever and the best tracking aimer in the league. Stats say the same, 1st basically across the board. Sombra: Fits has always been 2nd only to LIP but LIP didn’t play her much and when he did his team sucked ass and sombra couldn’t carry hard enough. So LIP best sombra, Fits best performing sombra. Ashe: Heesu is the best “performing” ashe throughout this year as LIP, shy, MN3 etc didn’t play much. When LIP did play he was statically the best and most consistent and MN3 had the highest peak and is the most talented raw aimer ever. Widow: MN3, his teamfight stats are far and away the best. Shoutout to proper who had the best FB/10 and 15 other heroes but MN3 had the most FB, most solo kills, first picks, elims etc. Again, the most talented raw aimer on the most aim heavy hero. Moira: Finn, died less and healed more than UV. No competition, barely played and a no skill hero, we don’t know. Echo: Pelican statistically but that may also be because Speedily forced it too much, had to come in late and imo hasn’t been able to shown us all he had to give. Fleta fell off a cliff. Leave didn’t play. Yaki had too shitty of a team. I would say speedily is the best but Pelican was the best performing, alphayi next. Mei: At first I thought Backbone no competition but checkmate diffs him across the board statistically. Let’s just say backbone given stats don’t say everything, especially on mei. I just wanted to point out the numbers say it’s checkmate across the board. Not much contested hero though. Barely played hero though, could still be Pelican for all we know. Hanzo: Profit this year I guess? Leave didn’t play him. Birdring retired. Shy didn’t play him. Basically nobody played him. Cassidy: MN3, arguably the most talented raw aimer. His stats demolish SparkR’s. Per 10 minutes he has 8.6 elims more, 5.8 Fb more, 1.8 solo kills more, 2.5K more dmg, a whole death less. Only LIP and Shy can challenge him on raw hitscan but they didn’t play cass this year. Winston: Guxue statically, also the hardest carry, most solo impact and had the highest peak. You can also argue Someone who is 2nd statistically but with double the play time as guxue and likewise carried harder than Smurf while on a worse team. Smurf however has proven himself a solid, reliable, championship caliber, supportive tank to profit with a silent carry. Pick whoever depending on what you value. Lucio: Chiyo statistically. Astro did not play as well in SS where he got punished and even diffed by viol2t. LJG of course bad horrible living conditions in full lock down with internet worse than WiFi for the first half part of the year, tanks who can’t figure out the tank situation. Most talented is Vindaim. Chorong was the number 1 MS rookie by far in contenders even over chiyo and Vindaim but his team sucked ass this year. Brig: Skewed is the best, idk if he performed the best though. Vigilante, fielder, Izayaki, Chiyo all did great. Vindaim is imo again the most talente, doesn’t make him the best though. Chorong’s team too bad, LJG and yveltal historically good. All main supports were forced on lucio anyways. Reaper: Edison, highest peak only surpassed because he was shipped to sojourn. Doesn’t matter anyways, it’s reaper lul. Bap: It is still Shu. Violet is just all dmg no heal in teamfights, no deaths because he takes too much heals, the lack of dmg he takes concerns me, is odd and doesn’t look good. Fielder while having more healing and actually more elims and such, if you look into the actual fights he does less healing, has less final blows, less damages and dies more. Shu by far died first the least also. Ana: Fielder I think. Shu and maybe Finn made more plays but fielder had WAY more healing in teamfights, dies less while getting healed less and made sure he got damaged less. He is just by far the most reliable, the best raw healer, best supportive Ana, most survivable Ana and still like top 2 top 3 play maker. Zarya: Hanbin of course. But out of respect I have to note that Someone beats Hanbin across the board, sometimes by a lot, in every single statistic except dmg and did so while playing with a far worse team and with an even worse backline. Kiriko: fielder. Teru let just as many people die as he killed. Usage of entire kit is way worse too. Doom: Danteh is 2nd statically but on a FAR worse team than reiner. Still reiner has far more first-deaths and while danteh did die more, he actually took less dmg. This is because he got by far the least amount of healing out of any doomfist in the conversation. A clear team diff. Sigma: Statistically Coluge, it’s his best hero after all. Did what the team needed, almost didn’t die, beat Fb/D, high elim and dmg. JQ: Hanbin, nobody is close really. Zen: Izayaki best zen still. Elims, Fb, Fb/10. Just the best. Dva: Statistically it’s Hawk Vs void but void hard diffs in deaths per 10. He felt to me like a better team player, smarter player who feeds less but has the same offensive numbers. Ball: Fate does better than Belo on Fb/D, has better set ups imo, better leader and shot caller, less than half the deaths, first in elims per 10, still more final blows. Ball wasn’t played much though. Rein: Hadi, no debate. Yes statistically Someone beats him in elims and final blows while playing double the heroes, not really focusing on rush and having his team play around him far worse. But it’s just Hadi no competition. Sym: Statistically SparkR. Least deaths, best Fb/D, solo kills, elims and FB per 10. Mer1t second statically and played her most. Hydron is close but barely touched her. Kinda a skill hero, barely played, we don’t know really. Pharah: Checkmate is the best statistically, basically across the board. Jinmu probably better but Checkmate performed better. No competition this year, we don’t know really. Torb: Statistically Proper but alphayi played him like 2 minutes longer or something. Pick whoever. No competition this year, we don’t know really. Junkrat: Checkmate statically across the board. It is an irrelevant hero, we don’t know really. Bastion: Proper best elims per 10, final blows per 10, and deaths per 10. More total elims and final blows, even though speedily played more. Irrelevant hero, we don’t know really. Orisa: Danteh statistically sweeps clearly. Someone clearly comes in second. Nobody plays her, we don’t know who is best really. Hog: Danteh is statistically better than reiner across the board, even Fb/D, while on a worse team. No competition this year, we don’t know really. Mercy: Superrich is the best performing, Yveltal is the best in the world but didn’t play. She was barely played this year idk. Idk did I miss anything? Don’t know don’t care. That about sums up my thoughts in short.
I would say, Pelican did play some Mei this year, and when he did play her, he looked actually better than what Backbone did. They even mirror matched at one point when Houston played London and Peli cleared Backbone pretty hard overall if I remember right. But Backbone at the end of the day just had so much more play time on her, that it's hard to not pick him, plus he never looked bad on her, even in metas where Mei wasn't relevant at all.
@Sports Bits whats your point. When he was on florida he was a top tier damage player and when he was on a shit team he still managed to shine brightly, he is statistically one of the best flex players we have in the league
I just re watched the whole Houston vs shock match in the playoffs in losers finals and proper didn't have 54 final blows. He only had 27 which is half that
Very Good list overall, i prefer fielder's kiriko for the same reason i love his ana. He isnt the flashiest or the best mechanichly but his ability usage and understanding of the game is unmatched. For brig who else woud you say was the best if not skewed?
I literally think if voting opened a week later and people saw Danteh BEAT Hanbin on the Zarya, he would be a Role Star right now. No one can tell me otherwise and this is coming from a Fuel fan.
Nice list, just a couple I would personally change: -Creative for Ana -Iziyaki for Brig -Fielder for Kiriko -Shy for Sojourn -Edison for Reaper -Mikeyy for Ball -Reiner for Hog
I agree. Reiner also diffed Hadi on Reinhardt. The one problem, and this is probably the reason everyone seems to think Reiner is overrated, is that he had the better team to help him in these matchups. Basically they attribute his success as actually being the success of Kevster and Shu. I understand the reasoning, but I think it is a pretty disingenuous way to make that argument.
@@blaynegreiner9365 people say the same about edison lol, people act like fielder and chiyo r the only reason he's good, when in reality the backline might be part of why edison looked so good, but it also just comes down to him as a player growing a lot throughout the coarse of the season
Striker looked good when reaper was meta, Edison looked good when repeat wasn't meta therefore striker is better? That makes no sense. It's not like Edison looked bad when reaper was meta because he didn't play reaper he played sojourn. Edison is the clear and obvious choice for reaper
I just processed something interesting. Outlaws technically had 3 of the best Sombras in the league of you assume Danteh still is at that level that he normally plays at. Merit and Pelican were both good at her. Doha was better (Hurts to admit), but outlaws in theory had 3 of the best Sombras in OWL. Some teams had none 😂
I think overall.. Danteh would probably still be the best Sombra on his team, nothing against Pelican and Merit, but if Danteh still can play like he did back in the day (I guess like 2021 not back in the day but yeah, she wasn't always meta in 2021 and even banned a lot from time to time), he probably would be the best on his team. But they needed him else where this year. Which worked out for the best anyways.
It’s not technically inconsistent because he said what he values most out of those who play the hero. Ana: He thinks most healing while still enabling your team is best Bap: He thinks damage is best because Bap’s healing isn’t the most important part of his kit. Kiriko: He thinks going for kills is better value than rushing Kiriko ult via healing (which it was actually said by multiple pros that Kiriko ult was super important, more so than the other ults in the field.)
@@stevencampbell348 The pros said that getting Kiriko ult before the other team was a massive advantage. Which is why the rushing for kills strat shouldn't be rated this high as healing is a way more consistent and fast way to get that ult.
@@franktieck2305 that’s what I meant with my side comment about what they said, doing some poke for the odd kill isn’t the best way to charge ult when you have such a high healing rate, in fact it causes you to fall behind a bit and leave openings for your other teammates to get pushed if you’re spotted out of position on a flank.
Good list, but if I were to make some changes I'd do Dva - Danteh Doomfist - Reiner Junker Queen - Void Orisa - Mag Reinhardt - Piggy Roadhog - Reiner Wrecking Ball - Fate Cassidy - Kevster Reaper - Edison Sojourn - Shy Sombra - Fits Tracer - Striker Widowmaker - ANS Ana - Twilight Lucio - Funnyastro Zenyatta - Shu
????????? the dva pic imo is void, danteh top 5 tho he makes a case, orisa how do u pick mag, he literally played it once and lost, jq void is up there, but hanbin actually hard carried, rein, nah piggy got diffed by hadi on that circuit royale game, ball, understandable but i stil go rea, cass, nah kev played it once or twice, but id personally go sparkr or mn3, sojourn, i personally say lip but there is a case to be made, shy is top 2 fs, tracer, def not striker, proper played it a lot more and even when striker played tracer proper was stil doing more, widow, ans had that one rlly good performance but outside of the mm finals, he was kinda mid, ana, id go shu but twilight could make a case, lucio, not astro becuz he struggled in any sort of rush comp, he does make a case for the best dive lucio tho, zen, shu played super well, but u stil gotta give it to izayaki just becuz shu was mostly playing ana whenever they ran ana zen
@@elimayer193 I missed a lot of games so my opinions aren't as informed. I will have to disagree with Belosrea on ball though cause he hard fed every time I watched him. iirc Houston beat London during Stage 1 on Circuit Royal. I can't give Proper on Tracer because 2 people are above him. What made Proper good was that we was good at everything, not the best at everything. I don't recall Sparkr or MN3 playing Cassidy at all, Kev was the only person I could think who played it. I also just don't remember much Orisa cause I didn't watch much Stage 4. I remember Reiner and Danteh playing it as well, but those are the only other 2 I can remember.
@@adambryant4149 yea that’s fair, it u watched a few more games I think it’d change things a bit for u, sparkr and mn3 played some cass in mm, and mag didn’t play any Orisa outside of that one fight, so Danteh takes it
I mean if Houston doesn't keep him (which I feel like...there's no way they let him go), he's going to be one of the few 6 year veterans next year.. playing in ever year of OWL once he plays next year again. :)
@@kingarth0r On their budget? They’re already losing Mer1t and Danteh is their franchise player, seems more likely they’ll stay mixed. Btw, if this leak is from an account called OWL mafia then you can safely ignore it
@@kingarth0r doubtful? lol. Unless Danteh has chosen to leave the team voluntarily or the team doesn't pick him up for whatever reason.. he's kinda their franchise player. Along with Jake. Really couldn't see it changing now after they had their best season ever playing around him and his leadership skills.
I always forget that top streamers/Top 500 players aren’t OWL (Flatts, Zbra, wanted, etc) so I was very surprised when I didn’t hear any names I know very well
I think Peli was technically a better Mei, but Backbone just played it so much more and he was pretty sick on it too. I think just given the play time and consistency on her, is why he gave it to Backbone. (saying this as a a long time Houston fan)
The Shock was putting all of his eggs in one basket - hence the colossal statline of Proper (who is obviously an insanely gifted player). However best Sojourn? Not really. It should be a debate between Shy and John Sojourn himself, Proper 3rd.
ATP, mind if I ask you. Do you think Atlanta might try to get Pelican? I'm afraid Shock will try to grab Izayaki, Leejaygon, Pelican, and Smurf so I'm hoping pelican is paired with Lip instead of proper.
@@ispres Yeah. Crusty can make gold out of pennies (Sinatra and super for example. Bad players until crusty) so handing him too players would be a damn nightmare for every team except Dallas.
There is no chance Shock will make attempts on either Izayaki or LeeJaeGon, since FiNN and Viol2t had very respectable performance through the season. Pelican would be a very strong addition to the roster, but I find it more likely they will go for some rookie talent in HeeSang. I could imagine they might try for Smurf as well, but it would depend on whether he wants to return to Shock
@@lucasfleming3360 Wasn't Sinatraa one of the biggest Damage prospects before the League started? Remember reading about a bidding war taking place to get him signed to certain teams
No offence but how is Chiyo underrated? He got role star for support and might’ve been rookie of the year had Proper not have just existed and almost everyone believes he’s the best Lucio.
So for Orisa, winning playoff games puts Danteh over the likes of Kalios or Mikeyy, but for Fearless winning the GRAND FINALS MVP on monkey isn't the most relevant stat? hmm
I think Reiner is the best doom by a fair bit. Yeah, danteh's team really relied on it and it's pretty much all they played for the first half, but they didn't really do much let's be honest. I know accolades aren't the most important thing, but the only 2 impressive wins for them ass Dallas stage one (which was very impressive but still an anomaly) and reign who they only beat by a hair. Reiner's Doom did more and helped win them 2 stages. I still love danteh tho
You should at least have mentioned Reiner for Winston if not given him the title of the best Winston. He was very good in the first two stages and the glads won both of them with him on Winston.
U are out of ur mind picking Teru over Fielder. Fielder literally pioneered how Kiriko should be played optimally. Like its not even close actually and thats crazy.
Danteh over Reiner doom is wiiiiild. Reiner has the best stats + won back to back, with his doom being a huge reason. I get not liking Glads but doom is the reason Reiner won a rolestar. also holy shit you really do not like kevster. the guy who got most rolestar votes and most MVP votes from other teams, barely even gets talked about LOL. insane disrespect. talk about how skewed carried glads in SS while if you look at any of their games, he is the one borderline deadlifting them.
Whose YOUR best player on every hero this year? Let me know in the comments! Also, hit that like button if you enjoyed!
Dva: Becky
Doom: Becky
JQ : Becky
Orisa: Becky
Rein: Becky
Hog: Becky
Sig: Becky
Monkey: Becky
Ball: Becky
Zarya: Becky
Ashe: Becky
Bastion: Becky
Cass: Becky
Echo: Becky (not even close)
Genji: Becky
Hanzo: Becky
Junk: Becky
Mei: Becky
Pharah: Becky
Reaper: Becky
Sojourn: Becky
Soldier: Becky
Sombra: Becky
Symmetra: Becky
Torb: Becky
Tracer: Becky
Widow: Becky
Ana: Becky
Bap: Becky
Brig: Becky
Kiriko: Becky
Lucio: Becky
Mercy: Becky
Moira: Becky
Zenyatta: Becky
Becky is god, becky is life
fits was robbed the best sombra. i just dont remember anyone doing as well as fits on sombra in the game and also the east has better sombras such as lip, jinmu ect
Dva: Hanbin
Doomfist: Danteh
Junkerqueen: Hanbin
Orisa: Smurf
Reinhardt: Hadi
Roadhog: Danteh
Sigma: Coluge
Winston: Smurf
Wrecking ball: Mikeyy
Zarya: Hanbin
Ashe: Mn3
Bastion: Proper
Cassidy: Mn3
Echo: Becky
Genji: Zest
Hanzo: Heesu
Junkrat: Checkmate
Mei: Backbone
Pharah: Jinmu
Reaper: Edison
Sojourn: Lip
Soldier: Patiphan
Sombra: Fits
Symmetra: Ezhan
Torbjorn: Alphayi
Tracer: Proper
Widowmaker: Mn3
Ana: Shu
Baptiste: Shu
Briggite: Skewed
Kiriko: Fielder
Lucio: Vindaim
Mercy: Nisha
Moira: Fielder
Zenyatta: viol2t
Lip sojourn is disgusting
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When you realize Danteh was the most versatile tank player as a dps and didn’t sniff the roles star conversation LOL
Man was robbed by Hadi
He shouldve had a role star over hadi 100% and arguably over reiner with that god awful jq play, and just okay winston, but smurf is 100% the more versatile tank player
@@corndogguy2373 true I would say Hadi isn’t even top 5 for me someone is that 5th tank who was the only true hyperflex after Smurf (this is based off of what they played in game)
Danteh was 6th in votes, so he was definitely sniffing the role star. Him and Hawk should’ve been in over Hadi and Reiner.
@@ShotByThomasGA I’m fine with Reiner because of the two tornament victories and him being a part of those because I can see the argument but Hadi is outrageous if he hadn’t been on a bad team last year he would not have been role star
It's crazy Danteh actually owns the more tank spots consistently than any other single player. First year on it and taking 3 slots (even if 2 of them are arguably not too relevant), and of course Hanbin taking a few spots as well. :) Texas boys holding down a lot of those slots. Glad to see Whoru honestly get the Genji spot. He was just so absurdly dominant on it individually. :)
I know there are a ton of Soujerns too, but to me it was Merit and only Merit pretty much all year. Any time he was on her, he took over pretty much save for like Houston's last match against Shock where Proper just hit another level..but over the entire year? It has to be his former teammate.
Throughout the year proper barely played sojourn, really only sometimes on circuit royal. Mer1t, Lip or Shy definitely showed the most good plays throughout the season since they are the team's designated Hitscans, but once proper picked her up and it came to the head to head? I think he diffed pretty much everyone.
Yup the same reason he didn't pick fearless on monkey is the same reason he shouldn't have gone proper on sojourn
danteh my fav player all time been watching bro since he used to play minecradt
Danteh went from Minecraft pro to the Shock's placeholder before Sinatraa turned 18 to the best sombra and one of the best tracers of season 1 to one of the most versatile tank players in the world.
I honestly thought mikeyy was the best ball this year. The shock picked him up in the middle of the season, out of nowhere, for him to mostly be a ball specialist and he made it work. I feel like he wasn’t talked enough about when he set up the shock as well as he did for them to flex to different metas in the middle of the season, but ig that’s the consequence when propers out there just killing everyone.
Took the Words straight out of my mouth
Yeah amen
Mikey was a great ball, just sucked the Shock couldn't win with him hardly ever :( They started coordinating better with him in the playoffs after their loss to Outlaws, but before then... for whatever reason, they just couldn't seem to win with him in? But I always thought he was a pretty good Ball player and probably had some of the top play time on him too
@@CrazeeAdam imo his ball looked amazing in stage 2, they almost always won with him on ball at first. Once he started flexing onto Winston they really looked worse though. Feels like when he was on ball and they were playing control though, they were almost undefeated.
I love how the staple bastion player every year is just the guy who plays one whole map on him
Except for 2019. Architect played half of Shock's maps in playoffs on this hero
I think Nero also played him this year on Circuit if I'm not mistaken? And a few other times Reign pulled him out. I think Proper was the flashiest, but it was against Titans who were horrible at the time. Nero pulled him out like seriously to try and counter London's rush if I'm not mistaken early in the year and a few other times.
I think MN3 was a better Ashe than Heesu, he had some clutch performances on the hero (especially the one against Seoul)
MN3 had higher peaks 100% but imo him and Edison were both too inconsistent. Idk if I like heesu better than them tho honestly.
@@leonp.2171 True, i just think that MN3 was almost unmatched at his peak in general, Ashe included
@@elpomodoro1614 at his peak, definitely. He looked like the best Hitscan out there. But this is about how good players were throughout the season, not what the biggest highlight was.
@@leonp.2171 I guess you have a point there
The kiriko pick is legitimately just wrong imo. Fielder's style was a principle reason why dallas were so dominant - his charge rate from healing far exceeded terus and other, similar kiriko's, leading to faster ults - the primary fight winners in the meta.
Never mind his charge rate, watching the vods back you can see his game sense on the hero is pristine. Unlike Teru he was virtually unkillable and had perfect suzu and ult timings in every game. This is the most egregious snub on the list imo and it’s not close
yh man was robbed
Literally THE biggest difference in an extremely close grand finals was the Kiriko diff. Fielder was most certainly the best
Without question
I’m so glad I’m not alone in this thinking
“I’m looking at it as a whole” then pick proper as best sojourn, a player who had 2 good matches and got diffed by every single sojourn in playoff until Shock dump all resources into him
mmm. true. Like if we're looking at entire year? How could you not pick Merit or Shy? Or Lip even? Like those guys were pretty nuts all year, despite going down to Proper in the playoffs... and don't forget in the playoffs Shock and Proper lost to Merit and Houston as well once..so he got diffed then too. Kind of weird choosing him over some of the people who played Soujern more, and were better for longer.
@@CrazeeAdam even in playoff he’s not the best sojourn
The hypocrisy
@@danialturner6343 He was. He was destroying teams through lower bracket stop hating
@@osamabinhappy9355 stop simping
I prefer fielder instead of teru for kiriko & Mn3 for ashe (although ashe was a close race)
Same here
"spark made teru's play style work" yes, until they came across fielders play style. This is like giving the award to ground pharah. Fundamentally playing the hero incorrectly. Kirikos biggest value is from rush ult not dps.
Bro yeah, teru over fielder in kiriko is wild💀 fielder was clearly the best kiriko in the league with the correct playstyle. Jake made a great video about it. Fielder all the way
@@aus10jones teru owns f(raud)ielder stay mad + ratio + L
@@00m4ri4 who won the playoffs?
Lip is the best Sojourn, He diffed Proper even when Shock were much better as a team
Yes and proper even said afterwards that lip is the best sojourn in the world
You're right but don't forget that it's Proper, therefore he wins best player instantly
@@juno4127 being the MVP has nothing to do with "Best Sojourn"
@@HMODY2269 thats true but irrelevant, simply because his name starts and ends with "proper" which makes him default best player on every hero in the game (/s if you couldnt tell by now)
@@juno4127 As soon as Proper enters any conversation, he just takes everything by default.
Proper gets best Sojourn after only playing it during Playoffs. Fearless doesn't get best Winston because he only played it during Playoffs.
Some weird biases.
Proper got it for the same reason fearless didn’t weird
Fearless is flat out my favourite player but I can understand him not getting the nod after only having a fantastic playoffs performance
Proper over Lip on Sojourn though? That’s psych-evaluation time levels of wrong
@@nowun6043 Proper over not only LiP, but also Merit, Shy, and Edison is a toxic take
Propers sojourn was way better than fearless his Winston
@@nexesses1548 We're talking a top 2 lifetime candidate for best Winston in the world vs Proper's 2 playoff games of dominance? Really?
LIP, soldier and Sojourn
Fate and void ball and dva
Kirkiko fielder
There are some others but overal decent list. Love to see it
i agree, lip got hard robbed of soldier, pati was mid for half the stage, lip was carrying
You pick Smurf over Fearless because he had better performances throughout the year, which is something I agree on. But then you pick Proper (sojourn) and Striker (reaper) over Shy/Lip and Edison. Why does the argument of doing well throughout the year only applies to Smurf?
Because it’s his personal picks and he justifies himself pretty well imo
Striker literally didn’t play for 4 months as well
The strange thing is that Proper wasn't better than LIP in SHDvSFS game, Even in 1v1 LIP destroyed him. He's like blaming LIP for SHD perform.
SFS bias
I was confused by thst as well didn’t make sense
Dva: void
Ball: fate
Soldier: LIP (clearly)
Yes even this year, statistically and in value
Mercy: Superrich (Yveltal didn’t play)
Kiriko: Fielder
Sym: SparkR
Reaper: Edison
Winston: Smurf, Guxue/Someone by stats
Genji: WhoRU but stats wise proper sweeps
Torb: Alphayi but stats wise proper sweeps
Mei: backbone, by stats checkmate sweeps
Zarya: Hanbin, by stats someone sweeps
Ashe: MN3 higher peak and LIP my stats but Heesu by playtime
There are many heroes like mercy where the best player didn’t play. Like yveltal in this case. Or didn’t play much like LIP, Shy and MN3 on hitscan.
wheres the guxue mention for winston? he was huge for the spark getting so far in the playoffs
Danteh rolling in and taking the best player for every tank hero 💀
That's what Minecraft pvp does for you
@@aspectic6227 miss that time
Proper sojourn over lip and shy?! Lmfao
Joke video ez dislike
It's kinda the only one I don't necessarily agree with at all. Like Proper was great in the playoffs... but those two guys and Merit were great on Soujern all year, and clutch too. I would prefer going with "how long did this player play this hero well" than choosing proper cause he popped off in the playoffs after getting actually pretty schooled by Merit and the Outlaws in the upper bracket. =/ like... he was great on her in the playoffs no doubt, but it's not exactly like he was "known" for his Soujern play in the regular season. That was like Sam, Kilo or anyone else for the most part.
@@CrazeeAdam stats say otherwise
@@CrazeeAdam he showed glimpses of it in stage 2 and 4, we had already seen that proper was a great sojourn, but i still agree with you that shy lip and merit all make a case to be better
for me for sojourn i would go for lip ( shy said in interview that lip is scariest sojourn when danny ask who is the best sojourn ) and just watch during play-off he was putting some nasty clip even during regular
he literally diffed proper in a losing match like ???
When this interview happened could you please link it to me thanks
@@scar4513 it was after the spark mayhem game in playoffs
Izayaki clear on brig, Skewed and Astro heavily struggled with ult tempo which were a huge reason for Glads failure in the Joats stage
That was mostly Reiner's tempo issue, though. As soon as Space came in, everything clicked. Even the other teams said that if they had just played Space sooner, they would have been a favorite to win that tournament as well. They were also trying to coordinate with a new player after losing a strong starting DPS that had a great Sojourn and played well with Kevster.
It’ll be interesting to see who would end up being the best Ramattra. (if he’s THAT oppressive)
Glad that pharmercy is still Chengdu’s thing
Time to see Becky sweep all the DPS heroes
Not putting Lip as bet sojurn is actually offensive.
Even in the shock vs dragons games that shanghai lost, lip was the best player in the lobby.
Your video really highlights how much Danteh really stepped up yet was robbed. Best of 3 tank heroes and no Role Star, along with a serviceable Winston. i love Hadi. but i would've gave it to Danteh over him. if the votes happened during/after the playoffs, perhaps he would've earned it
To be fair Orisa and Hog were pretty irrelevant. I agree that he deserved role star though
mmhmm. And the fact is, he hadn't been practicing Winston until like the week prior when the meta was starting to shift and form to a dive one. The fact that him and his team made it all the way to top 3 in league despite him having very little experience on Winston just shows how much of an impactful and talented player he is. And why he'll be one of the few people to make it every year in the league next season still. I think Hadi got a role star/MVP nod over Danteh because of popularity tbh? Like him Danteh serve as the same thing for their teams, Danteh is also the leader, the person that the team relies on much like Hadi, except Danteh's team just won more during the season, across many different metas, and generally beat the Spitfire soundly every time.
@@morechoicer4496 true.. I do think Orisa was a really good strat on their control maps though. They looked pretty dang unstoppable most of the time when he pulled it out on Control, and not like against weaker teams, teams like the Shock, Fuel, and more during that last stage and the play offs. While the time on her wasn't vast, it was pretty impactful to have a pocket strat that teams just didn't seem to know how to deal with when played at that sort of tempo and level.
The Hog is much more niche and I think he realistically pulled it out like 3 or 4 times total, he did run Orisa a bit more though
The tanks he is best at were barely played, barely contested, not relevant etc. I respect him but let’s not act like he was like the best on multiple relevant hero’s xD he wasn’t.
I honestly would've taken Kalios on Orisa over him and it's not like Houston were the only ones to make hog work (think back to I think stage 2 with coluge and Reiner going hog on oasis city centre).
Honestly if you picked Proper just because of Playoffs (I personally think Lip was the better Sojourn), I don't see how Fearless didn't win best Winston
I would argue for merit
Striker def didn't outplay sp9rk1e on the reaper if anything it was the opposite even though they both played well in the finals. Also proper is insane but best sojourn is def either lip or shy, especially if you make the smurf>fearless argument because of regular season, that should count here as well, and it's not like lip/shy even got outplayed by proper imo they both had better performances than proper in their matachups their team just sucked. Fielder is the better kiriko than teru although teru is more flashy. Pretty decent list overall tho
Jake said Teru was straight up playing kiriko wrong.
Proper's assassination on Lip to eliminate SD pretty much gave him the crown
this is some of the biggest cope I've read in a while, other than for fielder over teru
Nah, Fielder Ana over Shu when Shu's Ana was such a huge part of Glads tournament success and how highly he's regarded among pros (Danteh, your best Doom, mentioned on stream recently how hard it was to play Doom vs top 3 flex supports because they wouldn't miss sleeps, and when questioned who these top 3 were, the first name he mentioned was Shu - also mentioned Finn, no third name given). Some weird bias against Shu's playmaker style too, just stating that Fielder's healing-focused style is the right one as a matter of fact.
I love Fielder, and think he was easily the best Kiriko, but Ana was Shu's hero.
Yeah when your the player of the match for basically the mid season playoffs on Ana and you give it to striker for his playoffs performance it seems weird
Yeah Ana was the only hero i strongly disagreed with on the list, and id also put mn3 on the sojourn conversation
I get shu is cracked but he only really stood out mid season tournaments whereas fielder is consistently good all year on Ana and even stands out amongst the massive talent the fuel has with his mechanical ability and awareness and I feel its justified putting him as the best Ana because he may not he the flashier Ana like shu for example but he just consistently putting the plays and numbers in
@@robfelton5120 I’m not sure what you mean in all stages Ana was playable he played Ana
@Battle Blobfish I mean shu only stood out playing Ana in the mid season tournament whereas all year whenever the 2 played Ana fielder was consistently better for me and it showed with how he carried fuel where glads just didn't do consistently
To me, WhoRU is the best Genji to ever touch the game. He's been absolutely dominant on the hero since APEX S2. Highest skill ceiling and highest impact. If Genji had been as relevant as other DPS heroes in OWL, he would've been pounding for years.
haksal was better than him in apex tho
@@DEVILONBOTHSHOULDERS and profit was better than haksal
He was god-awful in the 2020 Genji meta so this year was a bit of a redemption for him
the fact that you didnt have reiner on this list for any of the tanks if fucking criminal. he was by far the best doom and rein
Sojourn: LIP, proper himself said so. Yes maybe if proper had more play time he would have been the best, but he didn’t, he had a very short window of time to learn her and got top 3, kicking out mer1t after triple deadlifting against him.
Genji: Statistically proper across the board but WhoRU did come close with way less help and had to play first half of the year in horrible living conditions with 300 ping.
Tracer: Proper no contest, sweeps the stats against kevster while having a lesser team, better stats in head to head, better stats in losing matches. Etc.
Soldier: LIP is the best hitscan player ever and the best tracking aimer in the league. Stats say the same, 1st basically across the board.
Sombra: Fits has always been 2nd only to LIP but LIP didn’t play her much and when he did his team sucked ass and sombra couldn’t carry hard enough. So LIP best sombra, Fits best performing sombra.
Ashe: Heesu is the best “performing” ashe throughout this year as LIP, shy, MN3 etc didn’t play much. When LIP did play he was statically the best and most consistent and MN3 had the highest peak and is the most talented raw aimer ever.
Widow: MN3, his teamfight stats are far and away the best. Shoutout to proper who had the best FB/10 and 15 other heroes but MN3 had the most FB, most solo kills, first picks, elims etc. Again, the most talented raw aimer on the most aim heavy hero.
Moira: Finn, died less and healed more than UV. No competition, barely played and a no skill hero, we don’t know.
Echo: Pelican statistically but that may also be because Speedily forced it too much, had to come in late and imo hasn’t been able to shown us all he had to give. Fleta fell off a cliff. Leave didn’t play. Yaki had too shitty of a team. I would say speedily is the best but Pelican was the best performing, alphayi next.
Mei: At first I thought Backbone no competition but checkmate diffs him across the board statistically. Let’s just say backbone given stats don’t say everything, especially on mei. I just wanted to point out the numbers say it’s checkmate across the board. Not much contested hero though. Barely played hero though, could still be Pelican for all we know.
Hanzo: Profit this year I guess? Leave didn’t play him. Birdring retired. Shy didn’t play him. Basically nobody played him.
Cassidy: MN3, arguably the most talented raw aimer. His stats demolish SparkR’s. Per 10 minutes he has 8.6 elims more, 5.8 Fb more, 1.8 solo kills more, 2.5K more dmg, a whole death less. Only LIP and Shy can challenge him on raw hitscan but they didn’t play cass this year.
Winston: Guxue statically, also the hardest carry, most solo impact and had the highest peak. You can also argue Someone who is 2nd statistically but with double the play time as guxue and likewise carried harder than Smurf while on a worse team. Smurf however has proven himself a solid, reliable, championship caliber, supportive tank to profit with a silent carry. Pick whoever depending on what you value.
Lucio: Chiyo statistically. Astro did not play as well in SS where he got punished and even diffed by viol2t. LJG of course bad horrible living conditions in full lock down with internet worse than WiFi for the first half part of the year, tanks who can’t figure out the tank situation. Most talented is Vindaim. Chorong was the number 1 MS rookie by far in contenders even over chiyo and Vindaim but his team sucked ass this year.
Brig: Skewed is the best, idk if he performed the best though. Vigilante, fielder, Izayaki, Chiyo all did great. Vindaim is imo again the most talente, doesn’t make him the best though. Chorong’s team too bad, LJG and yveltal historically good. All main supports were forced on lucio anyways.
Reaper: Edison, highest peak only surpassed because he was shipped to sojourn. Doesn’t matter anyways, it’s reaper lul.
Bap: It is still Shu. Violet is just all dmg no heal in teamfights, no deaths because he takes too much heals, the lack of dmg he takes concerns me, is odd and doesn’t look good. Fielder while having more healing and actually more elims and such, if you look into the actual fights he does less healing, has less final blows, less damages and dies more. Shu by far died first the least also.
Ana: Fielder I think. Shu and maybe Finn made more plays but fielder had WAY more healing in teamfights, dies less while getting healed less and made sure he got damaged less. He is just by far the most reliable, the best raw healer, best supportive Ana, most survivable Ana and still like top 2 top 3 play maker.
Zarya: Hanbin of course. But out of respect I have to note that Someone beats Hanbin across the board, sometimes by a lot, in every single statistic except dmg and did so while playing with a far worse team and with an even worse backline.
Kiriko: fielder. Teru let just as many people die as he killed. Usage of entire kit is way worse too.
Doom: Danteh is 2nd statically but on a FAR worse team than reiner. Still reiner has far more first-deaths and while danteh did die more, he actually took less dmg. This is because he got by far the least amount of healing out of any doomfist in the conversation. A clear team diff.
Sigma: Statistically Coluge, it’s his best hero after all. Did what the team needed, almost didn’t die, beat Fb/D, high elim and dmg.
JQ: Hanbin, nobody is close really.
Zen: Izayaki best zen still. Elims, Fb, Fb/10. Just the best.
Dva: Statistically it’s Hawk Vs void but void hard diffs in deaths per 10. He felt to me like a better team player, smarter player who feeds less but has the same offensive numbers.
Ball: Fate does better than Belo on Fb/D, has better set ups imo, better leader and shot caller, less than half the deaths, first in elims per 10, still more final blows. Ball wasn’t played much though.
Rein: Hadi, no debate. Yes statistically Someone beats him in elims and final blows while playing double the heroes, not really focusing on rush and having his team play around him far worse. But it’s just Hadi no competition.
Sym: Statistically SparkR. Least deaths, best Fb/D, solo kills, elims and FB per 10. Mer1t second statically and played her most. Hydron is close but barely touched her. Kinda a skill hero, barely played, we don’t know really.
Pharah: Checkmate is the best statistically, basically across the board. Jinmu probably better but Checkmate performed better. No competition this year, we don’t know really.
Torb: Statistically Proper but alphayi played him like 2 minutes longer or something. Pick whoever. No competition this year, we don’t know really.
Junkrat: Checkmate statically across the board. It is an irrelevant hero, we don’t know really.
Bastion: Proper best elims per 10, final blows per 10, and deaths per 10. More total elims and final blows, even though speedily played more. Irrelevant hero, we don’t know really.
Orisa: Danteh statistically sweeps clearly. Someone clearly comes in second. Nobody plays her, we don’t know who is best really.
Hog: Danteh is statistically better than reiner across the board, even Fb/D, while on a worse team. No competition this year, we don’t know really.
Mercy: Superrich is the best performing, Yveltal is the best in the world but didn’t play. She was barely played this year idk.
Idk did I miss anything? Don’t know don’t care. That about sums up my thoughts in short.
I would say, Pelican did play some Mei this year, and when he did play her, he looked actually better than what Backbone did. They even mirror matched at one point when Houston played London and Peli cleared Backbone pretty hard overall if I remember right. But Backbone at the end of the day just had so much more play time on her, that it's hard to not pick him, plus he never looked bad on her, even in metas where Mei wasn't relevant at all.
With how insane Kitsune is/was, healing helps farm it the fastest so it’s I feel better to prioritize.
My choices that would differ:
Roadhog - Coluge
Winston - Fearless
Reaper - Edison
Sojourn - Shy
Sombra - Fits
Brigitte - Fielder or Twilight
Kiriko - Fielder
Zenyatta - Finn
Nah Reiner dif for roadhog
yaki was the best genji this year imo, the way he managed to still dominate on the hero with a team that was struglling is saying something
@Sports Bits whats your point. When he was on florida he was a top tier damage player and when he was on a shit team he still managed to shine brightly, he is statistically one of the best flex players we have in the league
@Sports Bits yes but thst doesn't counter my argument that he was at least one of the best genjis this year
i see ur point, but i disagree, yaki was really good, but there were some other guys who just did more, credit to yaki tho, guy deserves a better team
The moment we’ve all been waiting for THE annual video wait
The Video the rivals even Hollywood
How tf is proper the best soujourn
Playoffs?
YOU DISAPPOINTED ME SIR, I AM CRYING NOW
I just re watched the whole Houston vs shock match in the playoffs in losers finals and proper didn't have 54 final blows. He only had 27 which is half that
Very Good list overall, i prefer fielder's kiriko for the same reason i love his ana. He isnt the flashiest or the best mechanichly but his ability usage and understanding of the game is unmatched. For brig who else woud you say was the best if not skewed?
NAH but the DISRESPECT to MN3 with that Ashe pick is unbelieavable
People only had more playtime than Hanbin on JQ because the Fuel just swept everybody minus the contracted 1 map each game lol
bro u did not just put proper on solj and not lip...
It’s outrageous
I literally think if voting opened a week later and people saw Danteh BEAT Hanbin on the Zarya, he would be a Role Star right now. No one can tell me otherwise and this is coming from a Fuel fan.
Nice list, just a couple I would personally change:
-Creative for Ana
-Iziyaki for Brig
-Fielder for Kiriko
-Shy for Sojourn
-Edison for Reaper
-Mikeyy for Ball
-Reiner for Hog
Looking at Sojourn elims makes me wonder what stage 3 would have looked like for the Glads had he not been injured
Lip was very VERY clearly better than proper on sojourn, idk what you are smoking
Lip is really good but proper better
@@osamabinhappy9355 No he diffed Proper in their playoffs match. Proper even tweeted, after the game, that Lip is the best sojourn in the world
@@mmtasty1889 my bad he did but he needs a better team if he wants to in the conversations regardless it could be coin toss
should have picked hydron for sym... just because of the "illeagal manuver"
I've been waiting so long for this
I was out here waiting for Shu to be a dps xD also waiting for Shu and his Havana Play, only to remember that was 2021... Great vid tho
YESS IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ATP THE GOAT
IMO Reiner was the best doomfist. Every time he played Danteh in the mirror he was the better player
I agree. Reiner also diffed Hadi on Reinhardt. The one problem, and this is probably the reason everyone seems to think Reiner is overrated, is that he had the better team to help him in these matchups. Basically they attribute his success as actually being the success of Kevster and Shu. I understand the reasoning, but I think it is a pretty disingenuous way to make that argument.
@@blaynegreiner9365 people say the same about edison lol, people act like fielder and chiyo r the only reason he's good, when in reality the backline might be part of why edison looked so good, but it also just comes down to him as a player growing a lot throughout the coarse of the season
Striker looked good when reaper was meta, Edison looked good when repeat wasn't meta therefore striker is better? That makes no sense. It's not like Edison looked bad when reaper was meta because he didn't play reaper he played sojourn. Edison is the clear and obvious choice for reaper
Total biase
This shit just has me feeling bad for the fact that the GOAT flex support viol2t was stuck on lucio
Finally been so excited for this video🥳
I just processed something interesting. Outlaws technically had 3 of the best Sombras in the league of you assume Danteh still is at that level that he normally plays at. Merit and Pelican were both good at her. Doha was better (Hurts to admit), but outlaws in theory had 3 of the best Sombras in OWL. Some teams had none 😂
I think overall.. Danteh would probably still be the best Sombra on his team, nothing against Pelican and Merit, but if Danteh still can play like he did back in the day (I guess like 2021 not back in the day but yeah, she wasn't always meta in 2021 and even banned a lot from time to time), he probably would be the best on his team. But they needed him else where this year. Which worked out for the best anyways.
@@CrazeeAdam I fully agree with that
Expecting multiple Malthel dubs
i feel like your reasoning between choosing best ana and best baptiste/kiriko is inconsistent
It’s not technically inconsistent because he said what he values most out of those who play the hero.
Ana: He thinks most healing while still enabling your team is best
Bap: He thinks damage is best because Bap’s healing isn’t the most important part of his kit.
Kiriko: He thinks going for kills is better value than rushing Kiriko ult via healing (which it was actually said by multiple pros that Kiriko ult was super important, more so than the other ults in the field.)
@@stevencampbell348 The pros said that getting Kiriko ult before the other team was a massive advantage. Which is why the rushing for kills strat shouldn't be rated this high as healing is a way more consistent and fast way to get that ult.
@@franktieck2305 that’s what I meant with my side comment about what they said, doing some poke for the odd kill isn’t the best way to charge ult when you have such a high healing rate, in fact it causes you to fall behind a bit and leave openings for your other teammates to get pushed if you’re spotted out of position on a flank.
MN3 deserved the ashe title waaayyy more then heesu in my opinion
Ezhan would also be a great shout for Cassidy.
Mmmmm Yeah, I agree with this. I would have probably given MN3 the Ashe title and mayyyyybe Lip for Sojourn, but yeah, I see no arguments on my end
Good list, but if I were to make some changes I'd do
Dva - Danteh
Doomfist - Reiner
Junker Queen - Void
Orisa - Mag
Reinhardt - Piggy
Roadhog - Reiner
Wrecking Ball - Fate
Cassidy - Kevster
Reaper - Edison
Sojourn - Shy
Sombra - Fits
Tracer - Striker
Widowmaker - ANS
Ana - Twilight
Lucio - Funnyastro
Zenyatta - Shu
????????? the dva pic imo is void, danteh top 5 tho he makes a case, orisa how do u pick mag, he literally played it once and lost, jq void is up there, but hanbin actually hard carried, rein, nah piggy got diffed by hadi on that circuit royale game, ball, understandable but i stil go rea, cass, nah kev played it once or twice, but id personally go sparkr or mn3, sojourn, i personally say lip but there is a case to be made, shy is top 2 fs, tracer, def not striker, proper played it a lot more and even when striker played tracer proper was stil doing more, widow, ans had that one rlly good performance but outside of the mm finals, he was kinda mid, ana, id go shu but twilight could make a case, lucio, not astro becuz he struggled in any sort of rush comp, he does make a case for the best dive lucio tho, zen, shu played super well, but u stil gotta give it to izayaki just becuz shu was mostly playing ana whenever they ran ana zen
@@elimayer193 I missed a lot of games so my opinions aren't as informed. I will have to disagree with Belosrea on ball though cause he hard fed every time I watched him. iirc Houston beat London during Stage 1 on Circuit Royal. I can't give Proper on Tracer because 2 people are above him. What made Proper good was that we was good at everything, not the best at everything. I don't recall Sparkr or MN3 playing Cassidy at all, Kev was the only person I could think who played it. I also just don't remember much Orisa cause I didn't watch much Stage 4. I remember Reiner and Danteh playing it as well, but those are the only other 2 I can remember.
@@adambryant4149 yea that’s fair, it u watched a few more games I think it’d change things a bit for u, sparkr and mn3 played some cass in mm, and mag didn’t play any Orisa outside of that one fight, so Danteh takes it
Disagree on Sojourn. Lip was the better Sojourn
Crazy how good of a player Danteh is he really deserves to stay in this league
I mean if Houston doesn't keep him (which I feel like...there's no way they let him go), he's going to be one of the few 6 year veterans next year.. playing in ever year of OWL once he plays next year again. :)
@@CrazeeAdam its been leaked that Houston is going full korean
@@kingarth0r proof?
@@kingarth0r On their budget? They’re already losing Mer1t and Danteh is their franchise player, seems more likely they’ll stay mixed.
Btw, if this leak is from an account called OWL mafia then you can safely ignore it
@@kingarth0r doubtful? lol. Unless Danteh has chosen to leave the team voluntarily or the team doesn't pick him up for whatever reason.. he's kinda their franchise player. Along with Jake. Really couldn't see it changing now after they had their best season ever playing around him and his leadership skills.
I always forget that top streamers/Top 500 players aren’t OWL (Flatts, Zbra, wanted, etc) so I was very surprised when I didn’t hear any names I know very well
Crazy how lip didnt get a single hero
he was robbed of sojourn and soldier
Really good Thumbnail!
Pelican seemed like a better Mei than BB when Houston Mirrored them in the brawl. He diffed the brawl team with an Offtank rein
I think Peli was technically a better Mei, but Backbone just played it so much more and he was pretty sick on it too. I think just given the play time and consistency on her, is why he gave it to Backbone. (saying this as a a long time Houston fan)
wow, not even a mention of mn3 for ashe. come on atp, at least make an argument for him
No kev shout for genji?
I'm sorry but there's absolutely no way teru is the better kiriko. Just watch Jake's Fielder kiriko vod.
jake and spilo summed it up perfectly
I believe that this DampKitKat guy is actually the best rein player ngl
The Shock was putting all of his eggs in one basket - hence the colossal statline of Proper (who is obviously an insanely gifted player). However best Sojourn? Not really. It should be a debate between Shy and John Sojourn himself, Proper 3rd.
Love this series, please never stop
Fearless 3-0'd the Dynasty in a Winston Meta
Hadi beat Reiner does that make him the better Winston?
@@baseebird unironically yes, Hadi was a better Winton than Reiner imo
@@juno4127 I don't even agree with the guy you're replying to but this is just wild
@@juno4127 Lol you are on some good shit. Where can I get some of whatever you are smoking?
@@blaynegreiner9365 the playoffs ldn 3-1 gla pack
At 10:50 heesu sprays a fusion logo 😂😂
ATP, mind if I ask you. Do you think Atlanta might try to get Pelican? I'm afraid Shock will try to grab Izayaki, Leejaygon, Pelican, and Smurf so I'm hoping pelican is paired with Lip instead of proper.
Dude. Proper backed by THAT TEAM. Dude.
@@ispres Yeah. Crusty can make gold out of pennies (Sinatra and super for example. Bad players until crusty) so handing him too players would be a damn nightmare for every team except Dallas.
ATL has stalk3r already though, seems a bit redundant
There is no chance Shock will make attempts on either Izayaki or LeeJaeGon, since FiNN and Viol2t had very respectable performance through the season. Pelican would be a very strong addition to the roster, but I find it more likely they will go for some rookie talent in HeeSang. I could imagine they might try for Smurf as well, but it would depend on whether he wants to return to Shock
@@lucasfleming3360 Wasn't Sinatraa one of the biggest Damage prospects before the League started? Remember reading about a bidding war taking place to get him signed to certain teams
No mention of Mikeyy for wrecking ball?
do we get 2023 season version ??
The second I saw the notification I instantly clicked
I love you for picking chiyo tho, most underrated player ever bro
No offence but how is Chiyo underrated? He got role star for support and might’ve been rookie of the year had Proper not have just existed and almost everyone believes he’s the best Lucio.
@@stevencampbell348 whenever anyone's talking about good Lucios or good rookies, I rarely hear chiyos name
@@ispres ur not looking in the right place then
So for Orisa, winning playoff games puts Danteh over the likes of Kalios or Mikeyy, but for Fearless winning the GRAND FINALS MVP on monkey isn't the most relevant stat? hmm
Bruh Mikeyyy definitely shud be BEST ball, his win rate on ball is so high
Idc is checkmate won JAKErat for 2022, it will ALWAYS be Jake
Why is there Sly 3 Music underneath?
lmaoo i just watched the last one like an hour ago. Deja vu
Shouldn't we pick Ans as the best widow? :/
I think Reiner is the best doom by a fair bit. Yeah, danteh's team really relied on it and it's pretty much all they played for the first half, but they didn't really do much let's be honest. I know accolades aren't the most important thing, but the only 2 impressive wins for them ass Dallas stage one (which was very impressive but still an anomaly) and reign who they only beat by a hair. Reiner's Doom did more and helped win them 2 stages. I still love danteh tho
You should at least have mentioned Reiner for Winston if not given him the title of the best Winston. He was very good in the first two stages and the glads won both of them with him on Winston.
Where do you get your stats from?
stats lab players on the owl website
Good picks across the board but imo Landon was robbed on best Kiriko
that guy was absolutely nuts
Fielder > Teru imo
Poko's Dva is incredible
My Oppinion Sombra go to Lip. Just goated how he plays her erverytime.
Great picks!
Could someone tell me why Smurf just dips at 6:57 I’m just to small brain too know
Alphayi’s player pic is in the uncanny valley
Great content love it keep up the good work
I cry myself to sleep cuz of this game.
U are out of ur mind picking Teru over Fielder. Fielder literally pioneered how Kiriko should be played optimally. Like its not even close actually and thats crazy.
Danteh over Reiner doom is wiiiiild. Reiner has the best stats + won back to back, with his doom being a huge reason. I get not liking Glads but doom is the reason Reiner won a rolestar.
also holy shit you really do not like kevster. the guy who got most rolestar votes and most MVP votes from other teams, barely even gets talked about LOL. insane disrespect. talk about how skewed carried glads in SS while if you look at any of their games, he is the one borderline deadlifting them.