My Vanishing Point and Decimos are probably slightly more practical, but I still love my Dialog 3. There's something to be said for that full-sized nib coming out of the barrel rather than the miniature ones on the VPs. Definitely looking at getting the blue cc at some point, I love how it looks.
Thanks for another great review. I've always liked Lamy gold nibs, and Lamy is one of the few companies that still makes their own nibs in-house. I'll probably purchase the Dialog cc in the blue matte finish.
I bought essentially the same pen you show here: white with the F nib. I liked it so much I bought its brother: the blue with an XF nib. They feel solid in the hand and look elegant. Also no slouch in the writing department.
I am tempted by the blue model because I love rose gold and think it would look great with blue, but I've had so many issues with my dialog 3, which has been my only lamy pen, that I am very gunshy not only buying any other lamy product, but specifically what amounts to a side-grade or upgrade to the dialog 3. Removing the clip will remove one of the malfunction issues I had with the 3, and the clip on the 3 didn't actually do its job properly with my use cases because the pen was too heavy for the minimal tension of the clip to keep it reliably in my pharmacy smock pocket when bending over, but at the same time, having a "retractable" fountain pen seems to be a moot point if it can't be quickly and easily accessed by having it clipped into a pocket. At the same time though, I can't expect the issues I've had with the cap not sealing half as well as the vanishing point and the hard start and nib alignment issues I've had with the 3 to have been fixed with this model, which makes it a really hard ask for the money when I can just buy almost 2 vanishing points for the cost. Still, the heart wants what it wants, and I am tempted by the cc....
Many thanks David for another comprehensive and impartial review of the CC. You made me thinking and I came up with my version of CC explanation “Cap-less Clip-less” which though could be complete rubbish. I admire your integrity and honesty. I have learned a lot from you for which i will remain indebted always. Kind regards Adnan.
I have only seen this cc on your broadcast. You mentioned the tool for cleaning and that is what my D3 was missing. I called the NYC store and they had no idea of what I was asking for. I felt the lady was just uninformed and maybe just did not care. To this day I do not have that tool but that is no problem watching your tip with using a quarter. Now I need to try that out and see if my D3 has that same mechanism..I like the look of the new cc and may find it in my collection of LAMY pens in the future. thank you David
In Germany, the term cc is used to describe convertible coupé cars. Small, compact (again cc!) vehicles with very complex mechanics for the folding roof at a relatively high price. Maybe that was the inspiration behind the name?
I just have a Matt Black Dialog 3 that comes into rotation now and then. It's a pleasant experience but not enough to tempt me for the new cc. Thanks for the quarter trick for cleaning! Have a safe and happy holiday season.
Personally, I watched the CC become available and considered it for a while, but I still ended up buying a Dialog 3 because I much prefer the cleaner design with rounded ends and an actual clip with its own cool retraction mechanism. Plus, it's cheaper, and the colour options are more interesting to me. 3:18 My D3 definitely has "Germany" stamped on the nib-side black ring, and the plastic has the exact same texture, so I would assume that this is a revised version of the old ring, which you have apparently experienced, now found both on the CC and the D3.
I think cc maybe stands for capless & clipless 😉 I do like the looks of this pen, but having small hands I guess it would not be very comfortable writing with it. Thanks for the review!
I do like your guess of the naming convention! As for the writing experience, I have had this pen basically since it came out and I also have smaller hands, but I can report that the comfort of the pen is actually not that bad. Compared to the Dialog 3, the CC is far better in my opinion due to the roll stop being less intrusive on my grip by being short and low profile. Also, Figboot makes a good point that the shorter design does feel a lot nicer to write with. Rest assured that the CC is, indeed, a good pen and reasonably accessible for folks with smaller hands.
Thank you for yet another insightful review! I think I'll treat myself to this nice pen for my next birthday (unless some other pen grabs my attention and refuses to let go). Speaking of LAMY products, I have this issue with my 2 Safaris (F/EF nibs). EF nib somehow runs both wetter and broader than the Fine one! It's really strange. I have no issues with them other than that. Edit: seeing how it's almost the end of the year, I'd like to wish your channel all the success and growth in '22! In my opinion, you belong in the upper/highest echelon of FP-themed channels, what with your passion for and knowledge of the topic.
I have the Dialog 3. it is one of the most attractive design I’ve seen, unfortunately it is by far the most uncomfortable pen I’ve ever used. No grip section to keep your fingers into position, massively heavy and back weighted. Substantially unusable. But beautiful anyway. 😄
I've been wanting to buy a Dialog 3 for a while, but was worried by the "sausage dog" issue - so was really pleased to see the cc. I was even happier when Lamy Australia dropped the price by 40% for Black Friday - I now have a blue one waiting for Christmas Day (my wife has forbidden me to open it any earlier!). Thanks for the review - it increases the sense of anticipation!
Hey David. I got the Blue one; got mine from Appelboom as well. But you made the better choice in getting a Fine nib. Mine is Medium and it is a little too wet for my taste. Had to write with it a bit before I could get accustomed to it, but I love it now. Interestingly, I recently managed to get a Lamy Petrol pen. The ink of course is absolutely not available. Great review, as always. Looking forward to the next one.
In the naming of some french cars "CC" stands for "Coupe Cabriolet." It refers to the car's design as a coupe with a convertible roof, allowing it to transform from a closed coupe to an open-roof convertible. This may be the clue :)
I purchased the matte blue Lamy Dialog cc with an EF nib. It is a very nice color in combination with the rose gold. I also own three Dialog 3 fountain pens because I like the way they write and ease of use, even if they aren’t aesthetically one of my favorites. I find the EF and Fine nibs in the Dialog 3 write really well with the 14kg nib. I have had no problems with hard starts, nor skipping, even when I use heavy sheening ink. My Lamy Dialog cc is another matter entirely. It is inked with Diamine by Cult Pens Iridescink “Herbert” ink which sheens and the pen always has a hard start. Once it starts, it skips. It is inconsistent and is an unpleasant writer, at least for me. I don’t know what I am doing wrong… I had such high hopes for this pen, after being so happy with all my Lamy Dialog 3s. On another note, I love the Iridescink inks Diamine made in collaboration with Cult Pens. This collection of inks work great in all the fountain pens I’ve used them in (except my Dialog cc) and for the most part they sheen nicely…
I was having the same issue with my CC. Then I realized that I wasn’t closing the sealing window completely shut. Leaving the window somewhat cracked was causing the drying and the hard start. There is unique feel to it where you turn the barrel completely to shut down the window. Once I corrected this issue, the pen started working as intended. Maybe this will help you as well.
@@Professor.1905 Amazing what that tiny last bit of turn does. Mine was doing that same thing. Dry after a day or so. Once I figured out the extra tiny bit of turn at the end, it's all good. I can go for a week or so without a hard start.
Great review. (As always) Nice updates to the pen, but I think I'll wait for the next iteration. I prefer a clip because a retractable pen is great for work situations. Plus not thrilled with rose gold as the only accent option.
Writing with a hot dog 😅😅🤣🤣. Nice pens though. Urushi way expensive. But love the piano black and piano white. Rose gold gives Dialog CC pen touch of femininity. Satin Blue is gorgeous
To be honest if I am in an environment where I need the convenience of a capless pen I doubt I would be using a fountain pen so uncapping a pen would not be an issue. Otherwise I have quite a few ballpoint pens etc that I can press a button on. Also quite a few of those pens are on lanyards which adds to the convenience.
I really like the white finish (imho it offers more options to go with different ink colours) - but I'm afraid that the white smooth finish gets slippery in your hands while writing? Do you have any experience with this? Maybe the blue matt finish has a more secure grip. Are there any issues with drying out? I never used a Dialog 3 but I read a few negative reviews that the mechanism is not really air tight and the nib is prone to dry out - as the mechanism on the dialog cc is pretty similar I wonder if it is an issue there as well?
I guess I'm in a minority on the Dialog 3. While I like the design and the engineering (retractable nib), I repeatedly had problems with the pen drying out, noticing the door didn't always close. Lamy replaced it for me once but the replacement developed the same problem a few months into use. Hopefully, they revised the door mechanism from the Dialog to the CC
Thanks for the review David. This nib is called Z56 ( Z55 has a hole ). Another point about ink window on the nib unit. It is present on nib unit on Dialog 3 too
i just got mine and it is a bit heavy. I got it in white and in medium nib, and was so excited, I had tried it in a shop overseas and liked it and was intrigued by it. I find that after five minutes of writing with it, my hand was tired. I own several pelican M605 and waterman carene and also a few lamy which I bought because they look cute.. but this is one of my most expensive lamy fountain pens, and i am a bit disappointed I must say. Has anyone else mentioned the weight of it? I did not see it much in the reviews.
The Dialog 3 and now CC seems incredibly thick, I've never been able to try either to determine how comfortable it is during a writing session. I find the Lamy 2000 large but comfortable for longer writing sessions,. 🤔
I bought one of these in extra fine, I love the way it feels and writes but the closing mechanism is annoying. It consistently fails to close completely and instead begins to unscrew, you have to crank it hard when opening to guarantee it will work properly when closing.
I’ve been using it for last two weeks, I usually takes quick notes, close the pen, and use it again. I find I little annoying that in order to retract / close the nib, has an extra click, if you are using without any care you might end up screwing the body. And then screwing back, turn the nib, etc. I find that annoying.
Bit too chunky and short for me. Less a cigar, more a torpedo. Should have been a piston filler but perhaps that's not possible. Much prefer my Narwhal Nautilus and Stillform. However, if they release a dark green version I may be seduced. The gold nib seems a needless expense as it's probably still a bit of a nail. Does it give decent bounce or any improved writing experience?
I think the term "cc" might refer to "Corps Consulaire" - which could figurativly represent the more classy look of the dialog cc with it's rose golden elements - it looks "dignified" comparted to the more reduced design of the dialog 3. There had been some examples using the "halo" of diplomats and consulates to pronounce the outstanding class of products - e.g. the brand name "Diplomat", the ancient car models "Ford Consul" or "Opel Diplomat". The promotion text by Lamy ("noble optics") points into the same direction.
The colour and trim is gorgeous, but the overall design could be a lot prettier. The mechanism of course is still fantastic- but in use the vanishing point is a lot more comfortable
I'm thinking of buying a CC too, do you know if the nib is removable on that pen or could it cause damage to the twist mechanism? I would really like to use my black gold nib on that pen!
I think it’s a very nice pen but at $600 Australian dollars I think Lamy are asking too much for it. Here Lamy want $300 for the Idios that doesn’t come with a gold nib.
@@FigbootonPens On second thought, I must admit I don't know what it means to index a pen. It sounds like something you do when arranging your pens in mass storage? Or does it mean keeping the pen straight in your hand?
I was always skeptical of the Lamy Dialog, I don't think it's a bad pen but over 300 bucks for a cartridge converter pen is a lot, Pilot's and Platinum's offerings are similar but more reasonably priced, I really don't care about gold nibs and I would never buy one, it's just for bragging rights anyway.
I do not recommend purchasing this pen. It writes smooth and its retractable nib mechanism is incredible, but it is too fragile and it is a bad idea to pay $350 for a product that will be seriously damaged at any moment.
"it kinda feels like your writing with a hotdog" - figboot 2021
Well, I mean, haven't we all done that at some time? 😆
My Vanishing Point and Decimos are probably slightly more practical, but I still love my Dialog 3. There's something to be said for that full-sized nib coming out of the barrel rather than the miniature ones on the VPs. Definitely looking at getting the blue cc at some point, I love how it looks.
I love the Dialogue CC in Rubik's cubes in the background! Always fun to find a fellow cuber :)
I do like the cube jokes. Sometimes, I think, it means nothing at all, but some of the gags are really clever.
Thanks for another great review. I've always liked Lamy gold nibs, and Lamy is one of the few companies that still makes their own nibs in-house. I'll probably purchase the Dialog cc in the blue matte finish.
Thank you for your review David!
I've been curious about these for a while, so glad to hear about it from you!
Lamy pens are so nice... I have a lamy emporium & this is one of my favourites...
I bought essentially the same pen you show here: white with the F nib. I liked it so much I bought its brother: the blue with an XF nib. They feel solid in the hand and look elegant. Also no slouch in the writing department.
I am tempted by the blue model because I love rose gold and think it would look great with blue, but I've had so many issues with my dialog 3, which has been my only lamy pen, that I am very gunshy not only buying any other lamy product, but specifically what amounts to a side-grade or upgrade to the dialog 3. Removing the clip will remove one of the malfunction issues I had with the 3, and the clip on the 3 didn't actually do its job properly with my use cases because the pen was too heavy for the minimal tension of the clip to keep it reliably in my pharmacy smock pocket when bending over, but at the same time, having a "retractable" fountain pen seems to be a moot point if it can't be quickly and easily accessed by having it clipped into a pocket. At the same time though, I can't expect the issues I've had with the cap not sealing half as well as the vanishing point and the hard start and nib alignment issues I've had with the 3 to have been fixed with this model, which makes it a really hard ask for the money when I can just buy almost 2 vanishing points for the cost. Still, the heart wants what it wants, and I am tempted by the cc....
That hot dog line got a good chuckle out of me.
As well as the overall appearance, the writing sample of this CC looks very nice. Thank you for the review. ♡
Many thanks David for another comprehensive and impartial review of the CC. You made me thinking and I came up with my version of CC explanation “Cap-less Clip-less” which though could be complete rubbish. I admire your integrity and honesty. I have learned a lot from you for which i will remain indebted always. Kind regards Adnan.
I was just searching for a review of this yesterday. Thank you.
I have only seen this cc on your broadcast.
You mentioned the tool for cleaning and that is what my D3 was missing. I called the NYC store and they had no idea of what I was asking for. I felt the lady was just uninformed and maybe just did not care.
To this day I do not have that tool but that is no problem watching your tip with using a quarter.
Now I need to try that out and see if my D3 has that same mechanism..I like the look of the new cc and
may find it in my collection of LAMY pens in the future.
thank you David
In Germany, the term cc is used to describe convertible coupé cars. Small, compact (again cc!) vehicles with very complex mechanics for the folding roof at a relatively high price.
Maybe that was the inspiration behind the name?
I just have a Matt Black Dialog 3 that comes into rotation now and then. It's a pleasant experience but not enough to tempt me for the new cc. Thanks for the quarter trick for cleaning! Have a safe and happy holiday season.
Personally, I watched the CC become available and considered it for a while, but I still ended up buying a Dialog 3 because I much prefer the cleaner design with rounded ends and an actual clip with its own cool retraction mechanism. Plus, it's cheaper, and the colour options are more interesting to me.
3:18 My D3 definitely has "Germany" stamped on the nib-side black ring, and the plastic has the exact same texture, so I would assume that this is a revised version of the old ring, which you have apparently experienced, now found both on the CC and the D3.
Thanks again David for another great,detailed review. I look forward to your reviews & find them very helpful & educational. Keep it up !
I think cc maybe stands for capless & clipless 😉
I do like the looks of this pen, but having small hands I guess it would not be very comfortable writing with it. Thanks for the review!
I do like your guess of the naming convention! As for the writing experience, I have had this pen basically since it came out and I also have smaller hands, but I can report that the comfort of the pen is actually not that bad. Compared to the Dialog 3, the CC is far better in my opinion due to the roll stop being less intrusive on my grip by being short and low profile. Also, Figboot makes a good point that the shorter design does feel a lot nicer to write with. Rest assured that the CC is, indeed, a good pen and reasonably accessible for folks with smaller hands.
@@iqcool Thank you, Isaiah! I will keep that in mind, very much appreciated! 😊
Thank you for yet another insightful review! I think I'll treat myself to this nice pen for my next birthday (unless some other pen grabs my attention and refuses to let go).
Speaking of LAMY products, I have this issue with my 2 Safaris (F/EF nibs). EF nib somehow runs both wetter and broader than the Fine one! It's really strange. I have no issues with them other than that.
Edit: seeing how it's almost the end of the year, I'd like to wish your channel all the success and growth in '22! In my opinion, you belong in the upper/highest echelon of FP-themed channels, what with your passion for and knowledge of the topic.
Well, did you get it?
Design of the pen impressed me a lot!
I have the Dialog 3. it is one of the most attractive design I’ve seen, unfortunately it is by far the most uncomfortable pen I’ve ever used. No grip section to keep your fingers into position, massively heavy and back weighted. Substantially unusable. But beautiful anyway. 😄
CC = Concealed Carry
I've been wanting to buy a Dialog 3 for a while, but was worried by the "sausage dog" issue - so was really pleased to see the cc. I was even happier when Lamy Australia dropped the price by 40% for Black Friday - I now have a blue one waiting for Christmas Day (my wife has forbidden me to open it any earlier!).
Thanks for the review - it increases the sense of anticipation!
Hey David. I got the Blue one; got mine from Appelboom as well. But you made the better choice in getting a Fine nib. Mine is Medium and it is a little too wet for my taste. Had to write with it a bit before I could get accustomed to it, but I love it now. Interestingly, I recently managed to get a Lamy Petrol pen. The ink of course is absolutely not available.
Great review, as always. Looking forward to the next one.
In the naming of some french cars "CC" stands for "Coupe Cabriolet." It refers to the car's design as a coupe with a convertible roof, allowing it to transform from a closed coupe to an open-roof convertible. This may be the clue :)
I purchased the matte blue Lamy Dialog cc with an EF nib. It is a very nice color in combination with the rose gold. I also own three Dialog 3 fountain pens because I like the way they write and ease of use, even if they aren’t aesthetically one of my favorites. I find the EF and Fine nibs in the Dialog 3 write really well with the 14kg nib. I have had no problems with hard starts, nor skipping, even when I use heavy sheening ink. My Lamy Dialog cc is another matter entirely. It is inked with Diamine by Cult Pens Iridescink “Herbert” ink which sheens and the pen always has a hard start. Once it starts, it skips. It is inconsistent and is an unpleasant writer, at least for me. I don’t know what I am doing wrong… I had such high hopes for this pen, after being so happy with all my Lamy Dialog 3s. On another note, I love the Iridescink inks Diamine made in collaboration with Cult Pens. This collection of inks work great in all the fountain pens I’ve used them in (except my Dialog cc) and for the most part they sheen nicely…
I was having the same issue with my CC. Then I realized that I wasn’t closing the sealing window completely shut. Leaving the window somewhat cracked was causing the drying and the hard start. There is unique feel to it where you turn the barrel completely to shut down the window. Once I corrected this issue, the pen started working as intended. Maybe this will help you as well.
@@Professor.1905 Thank-you. I will give that a try…
@@Professor.1905 Amazing what that tiny last bit of turn does. Mine was doing that same thing. Dry after a day or so. Once I figured out the extra tiny bit of turn at the end, it's all good. I can go for a week or so without a hard start.
This was really thorough review. Thank you
Great review. (As always) Nice updates to the pen, but I think I'll wait for the next iteration. I prefer a clip because a retractable pen is great for work situations. Plus not thrilled with rose gold as the only accent option.
Nice review. Would really like to see you review the Pininfarina PF Two sometime.
Writing with a hot dog 😅😅🤣🤣. Nice pens though. Urushi way expensive. But love the piano black and piano white. Rose gold gives Dialog CC pen touch of femininity. Satin Blue is gorgeous
To be honest if I am in an environment where I need the convenience of a capless pen I doubt I would be using a fountain pen so uncapping a pen would not be an issue. Otherwise I have quite a few ballpoint pens etc that I can press a button on. Also quite a few of those pens are on lanyards which adds to the convenience.
I really like the white finish (imho it offers more options to go with different ink colours) - but I'm afraid that the white smooth finish gets slippery in your hands while writing? Do you have any experience with this? Maybe the blue matt finish has a more secure grip. Are there any issues with drying out? I never used a Dialog 3 but I read a few negative reviews that the mechanism is not really air tight and the nib is prone to dry out - as the mechanism on the dialog cc is pretty similar I wonder if it is an issue there as well?
I guess I'm in a minority on the Dialog 3. While I like the design and the engineering (retractable nib), I repeatedly had problems with the pen drying out, noticing the door didn't always close. Lamy replaced it for me once but the replacement developed the same problem a few months into use. Hopefully, they revised the door mechanism from the Dialog to the CC
Thank you!
Thanks for the review David. This nib is called Z56 ( Z55 has a hole ). Another point about ink window on the nib unit. It is present on nib unit on Dialog 3 too
Z58. Not Z56. That's for the Imporium.
Yes. You are right
I love this pen and the stainless steel lamy 2000 but god are the prices freaking insane
Apparently newer iterations of the Dialog 3 also have the ink window - just FYI!
i just got mine and it is a bit heavy. I got it in white and in medium nib, and was so excited, I had tried it in a shop overseas and liked it and was intrigued by it. I find that after five minutes of writing with it, my hand was tired. I own several pelican M605 and waterman carene and also a few lamy which I bought because they look cute.. but this is one of my most expensive lamy fountain pens, and i am a bit disappointed I must say. Has anyone else mentioned the weight of it? I did not see it much in the reviews.
The Dialog 3 and now CC seems incredibly thick, I've never been able to try either to determine how comfortable it is during a writing session.
I find the Lamy 2000 large but comfortable for longer writing sessions,. 🤔
I bought one of these in extra fine, I love the way it feels and writes but the closing mechanism is annoying. It consistently fails to close completely and instead begins to unscrew, you have to crank it hard when opening to guarantee it will work properly when closing.
I wish I were you! How much did you pay for it?
Can poor students have it?
David, i always thought it stood for "capless & clipless"
I’ve been using it for last two weeks, I usually takes quick notes, close the pen, and use it again. I find I little annoying that in order to retract / close the nib, has an extra click, if you are using without any care you might end up screwing the body. And then screwing back, turn the nib, etc. I find that annoying.
Bit too chunky and short for me. Less a cigar, more a torpedo. Should have been a piston filler but perhaps that's not possible. Much prefer my Narwhal Nautilus and Stillform. However, if they release a dark green version I may be seduced. The gold nib seems a needless expense as it's probably still a bit of a nail. Does it give decent bounce or any improved writing experience?
Fine review. Thanks.
A similar ink to Lamy Petrol is Robert Oster Velvet Storm, very close match... fwiw
I think the term "cc" might refer to "Corps Consulaire" - which could figurativly represent the more classy look of the dialog cc with it's rose golden elements - it looks "dignified" comparted to the more reduced design of the dialog 3. There had been some examples using the "halo" of diplomats and consulates to pronounce the outstanding class of products - e.g. the brand name "Diplomat", the ancient car models "Ford Consul" or "Opel Diplomat". The promotion text by Lamy ("noble optics") points into the same direction.
has anyone noticed that this is skidding? I wrote five lines and it it skid five times.. I am still intrigued by it and want to give it more time..
The colour and trim is gorgeous, but the overall design could be a lot prettier.
The mechanism of course is still fantastic- but in use the vanishing point is a lot more comfortable
David👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
I'm thinking of buying a CC too, do you know if the nib is removable on that pen or could it cause damage to the twist mechanism? I would really like to use my black gold nib on that pen!
Just apply a piece of tape, grip the nib/tape, and pull.
I think it’s a very nice pen but at $600 Australian dollars I think Lamy are asking too much for it. Here Lamy want $300 for the Idios that doesn’t come with a gold nib.
writing with a hotdog hahaha
1. Simpler, shorter, and 20% more expensive.
2. Shoulda moved the roll stop to the correct end.
The roll stop in the front makes sense. It helps you to quickly index the pen correctly.
@@FigbootonPens ok
@@FigbootonPens On second thought, I must admit I don't know what it means to index a pen. It sounds like something you do when arranging your pens in mass storage? Or does it mean keeping the pen straight in your hand?
@@ichirofakename Keeping it straight in your hand. 😀
It's in the correct end.
32 secs ago wow imm lucky
Nice "Apple" pen - but 300$ Isn't that way to expensive?
This mans golf shirt collection may be more impressive then his pen collection
Meh...Me... have around 20, but do a good job cycling through them. 😉
I just realized that I was watching you for 2 years and didn't subscribe...
I was always skeptical of the Lamy Dialog, I don't think it's a bad pen but over 300 bucks for a cartridge converter pen is a lot, Pilot's and Platinum's offerings are similar but more reasonably priced, I really don't care about gold nibs and I would never buy one, it's just for bragging rights anyway.
Hmm. The white one looks like a Tampon. Not noble at all.
I do not recommend purchasing this pen. It writes smooth and its retractable nib mechanism is incredible, but it is too fragile and it is a bad idea to pay $350 for a product that will be seriously damaged at any moment.