The FK8 is way more refined than the GR... 2 different approaches in my opinion. Both are awesome but I opted for the GR ❤ in ⚫️ fully loaded and I love it 😀
Keep in mind that +R VSC mode off (it's off but maintains the torque bias by brake) isn't available in individual mode. Individual mode has only VSC reduced. The pedal dance completely disables it in any mode.
Here in the States, Honda dealers are marking up the car at least $10k USD, which is almost 1/4 of the MSRP. For that reason and a few others, I'll be taking delivery of a GR Corolla in a few months.
Great Cars, nice review Drive. The Civic is an awesome beast and the Corolla is not far behind. But these cars still are not as fast around this circuit as the GR Yaris Rallye, 1:01.80 according to Scott Newman. I would love to see all three of these cars go head to head. Wet and dry, track and road.
Don't forget the Type-R costs more, and you get less with not having AWD. Seems backward, I know... you want to add AWD to your CTR, it will cost you about $20k in the aftermarket. It's been done, is how I know. You want to add nice seats to your GR Corolla, it'll cost $1000 in the aftermarket (but you can probably put in nice camry seats out of the junkyard if you tried). Do the math.
Pretty poor comparison ... completely ignore that the corolla is 4 WD. Introduce a wet road or any poor surface and the front wheel drive Civic will be destroyed. If you are going to do a comparison put on the tyres!!!!!!
@@Sean-gu3tq Also, they should put on the AWD in the CTR for $20k more... or they could add the aftermarket rear electric motors that are integrated into the wheels... oh yeah, also $20k.
I'll keep my FK8, it's a blast to drive and I don't need the 20k more expensive FL5. The Corolla looks nice, the Yaris is more popular here in Europe though.
I owned a Morizo Corolla and a GR Yaris (Rallye). I sold the Morizo because I could feel the weight and the width of the car on tight mountain roads compared to the Yaris. I looked at the Honda and while I loved the seats and seating position, the amazing gearbox and thumping power, it just felt way too wide - even wider than the Corolla. Not to mention axle hop, torque steer and understeer are always going to be haunting a front wheel drive car on wet mountain roads. On a silky smooth track? The Honda will destroy the Corolla, but the rougher and wetter the roads, the further the Corolla (and Yaris) will get away. In the end though, for me? I love the Yaris and will no doubt buy another one when the updated version comes out sometime next year (cross fingers)
In Canada, there is a Core version of the GR Corolla priced at around $50,000 Aussie dollars with the same performance numbers as the Circuit Edition. So comparing this price with the 72,600 on the Type R, I think there is more value to have on the GRC even if it can't outperform the Type R.
Loved the track battle, but could have been more objective. For the price difference, could have put them on the same tire. 4S is better then the Apex 0.32s around one lap. Never mind that the R uses 265 vs 235 for the GR. I think that on an equal tire the Corolla would have won.
Whats the point of that? They tested the cars as they leave the factory and they are exact the same on that track. Do you speak of the six hundreds of a difference? 😂
I wish more of these car comparos would take this into account. Obviously, not every channel has the means to bring several sets of tires to do this type of review, but it is something that an enthusiast owner would consider doing.
And the GR has AWD and is newer. Where do you stop? The cars were tested as they would be when bought -- directly relevant and comparable to potential buyers.
@@chillikoala If a review mentions tires and they state that this compound is better than the other one, they've opened themselves to the question. An enthusiast owner would want to know.
Wow.. Civic looks a lot smaller when next to the Corolla. By itself it looks kind of big. The GR is surprisingly fun on track - way better than I expected though I had the diff give up within 15 min every time. Some coilovers, stiffer rear bar and different wheels/tires would make the Corolla a weapon I think. I can't help but think you should have your rear seat back up a notch so the wheel is not so far away... I bet control would be finer.
I would like to see how the 2024 circuit with the suspension upgrade does on a track. They made several changes to the new models and changed up the lineup a lot.
Literally depends what you want. I could care less about rhe fwd honda, nicer interior, and slightly bigger vehicle. The awd and front and rear differential with cylinder turbo has me sold.
The FL5 R mode suspension seems to be a downgrade on the FK8 - they overdid it in the FL5 and it seems to be a common complaint from track users. Most tests on UA-cam seem to be in Sport mode.
Red interior wins and looks luxurious on camera. Corolla black ceiling and black everything is too dark. Add dark tint at night and its like being buried alive with your cell phone.
I'm looking around at all these threads on UA-cam and they have cars that are meant to corner for real drivers doing drag racing like it's the ridiculous side of Odyssey like I've been ever seen before the type R on the mountain road literally smokes cars that are over $300,000 all over the place
But they look ugly, especially the new ones, they look like they have hemorrhoids, plus the wheel design looks weird, could've stayed with the typical round around the wheel.
What's Honda known for? FWD econobox that drives really well with VTEC and is not ridiculously expensive. If you want RWD you're only getting a 2 seater if from Honda and in today's money will be $90k+ which you won't buy so Honda won't make it before the EV chassis designs.
@@onandilewis3290 Cool. You cared enough to reply nonsense now twice. Your dream bubble can stay but just one of those you don't understand what Honda does well if you think that and that's fine, it's just a dream.
The hood vents on the GR Corolla are fake. The tire repair kit of the Civic is not underneath the trunk carpet but behind the left side cover and you can switch off automatic rev matching in the Type R Infotainment menu.
@@nfspeedy2 No doubt they are more form over function. They do however extract some heat albeit minimal. A fake vent would not allow any heat extraction.
All the vents are real if you own one and you wash it the water exits from another hole in the front guards and the rain trays on the bonnet vents can be removed
Absolute piece of junk for the money you have to spend. It is a shame that people are taken everyday by this company for their garbage cars. I know because back in the day I've had one. It was nothing but a bottomless pit of money and big construction. The workmanship the quality of what they use for material was absolute horrific junk my Nissan GTR will blow the doors off of anything at Ferrari makes. And I have just slightly under 300 grand in that car and you can't touch it. I'm telling you that only so you can wise up and not go through what I went through with the false a hood that they give you about how great. Their cars are. Talk to the people that have owned him. I think you'll be able to decide for yourself. We're a better area of money would be spent and ensure as hell. Isn't a Ferrari?
Both are great cars. We can’t complain being lucky enough to have choices like these. I type this as I stare at my FL5 in the garage ❤
Crap off the line. So slow
@@davothegreat9990 missing the point. If I wanted a straight line car, I would've bought a tesla
@@pau7478 85% of people who own ctr don't track their car. Try again
Was in the market for these 2. Ended up getting the FL5. I couldn't be happier.
Can't go wrong with either, i'm just glad we still have cars like these.
The Honda is just a masterpiece and It's long lineage is the reason why. A tough act to follow.
Great camera work with the track driving! Felt like I was in the car!
Thanks, we're glad you were able to share the experience with us!
The FK8 is way more refined than the GR... 2 different approaches in my opinion. Both are awesome but I opted for the GR ❤ in ⚫️ fully loaded and I love it 😀
Fk8 would get left behind off the line or on the street. Buy an Elantra N dct
05:17 my man rocking a grand seiko snowflake? nice
Best part about living in Australia, we don't have to worry about winter. FL5 for the summer countries, CGR if you have to deal with snow.
Would have been interesting to test the R in Individual mode with everything on +R except the suspension stiffness and see if it affects lap times.
Keep in mind that +R VSC mode off (it's off but maintains the torque bias by brake) isn't available in individual mode. Individual mode has only VSC reduced. The pedal dance completely disables it in any mode.
taking my civic to the black spur this sunday, great review, both fantastic offerings
Have fun and Thanks!
Here in the States, Honda dealers are marking up the car at least $10k USD, which is almost 1/4 of the MSRP. For that reason and a few others, I'll be taking delivery of a GR Corolla in a few months.
It's 168k USD in my country.
Great Cars, nice review Drive. The Civic is an awesome beast and the Corolla is not far behind. But these cars still are not as fast around this circuit as the GR Yaris Rallye, 1:01.80 according to Scott Newman. I would love to see all three of these cars go head to head. Wet and dry, track and road.
The Type R is a better car overall with a much nicer interior, better engine, gear shifter and seats. It also handles better unless it's in the wet.
I’m not sure about the handling better thing else ur right on
But the FK8 looks way better!
Don't forget the Type-R costs more, and you get less with not having AWD. Seems backward, I know... you want to add AWD to your CTR, it will cost you about $20k in the aftermarket. It's been done, is how I know. You want to add nice seats to your GR Corolla, it'll cost $1000 in the aftermarket (but you can probably put in nice camry seats out of the junkyard if you tried). Do the math.
Pretty poor comparison ... completely ignore that the corolla is 4 WD. Introduce a wet road or any poor surface and the front wheel drive Civic will be destroyed. If you are going to do a comparison put on the tyres!!!!!!
@@Sean-gu3tq Also, they should put on the AWD in the CTR for $20k more... or they could add the aftermarket rear electric motors that are integrated into the wheels... oh yeah, also $20k.
Well rounded thorough review - well done gents!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
I'll keep my FK8, it's a blast to drive and I don't need the 20k more expensive FL5. The Corolla looks nice, the Yaris is more popular here in Europe though.
Put that 20k into the FK8 for visual / performance mods if you were to spend 20k
@@cyasoonbro exactly right.
honestly i've seen videos stock for stock the fk8 is faster.
More afordable
Not populare
@@thedadlife247different gear ratios
I owned a Morizo Corolla and a GR Yaris (Rallye). I sold the Morizo because I could feel the weight and the width of the car on tight mountain roads compared to the Yaris. I looked at the Honda and while I loved the seats and seating position, the amazing gearbox and thumping power, it just felt way too wide - even wider than the Corolla. Not to mention axle hop, torque steer and understeer are always going to be haunting a front wheel drive car on wet mountain roads. On a silky smooth track? The Honda will destroy the Corolla, but the rougher and wetter the roads, the further the Corolla (and Yaris) will get away. In the end though, for me? I love the Yaris and will no doubt buy another one when the updated version comes out sometime next year (cross fingers)
Except... I need space for a kids seat ...
The Honda Civic Type-R looks impressive, but I'm enjoying my GR Corolla very much. I would still like to drive the Type-R to test it for myself.
i really loved both cars it looked good and they performed very well on track 💖💖
In Canada, there is a Core version of the GR Corolla priced at around $50,000 Aussie dollars with the same performance numbers as the Circuit Edition. So comparing this price with the 72,600 on the Type R, I think there is more value to have on the GRC even if it can't outperform the Type R.
I will keep my FK8 while take the FL5 money for a used M2C. Complete my experience on both FWD & RWD at the same time.
Both great choices. But I'll have that Type R twice per day, everyday, and three times on sundays.
Tbh the lap times are kinda meaningless when you're basically doing turns in 2nd gear.
Nowhere to really get on the power, or the brakes.
Loved the track battle, but could have been more objective. For the price difference, could have put them on the same tire. 4S is better then the Apex 0.32s around one lap. Never mind that the R uses 265 vs 235 for the GR. I think that on an equal tire the Corolla would have won.
Wider tire doesn't always equate to better performance though
Whats the point of that? They tested the cars as they leave the factory and they are exact the same on that track. Do you speak of the six hundreds of a difference? 😂
I wish more of these car comparos would take this into account. Obviously, not every channel has the means to bring several sets of tires to do this type of review, but it is something that an enthusiast owner would consider doing.
And the GR has AWD and is newer. Where do you stop? The cars were tested as they would be when bought -- directly relevant and comparable to potential buyers.
@@chillikoala If a review mentions tires and they state that this compound is better than the other one, they've opened themselves to the question. An enthusiast owner would want to know.
Wow.. Civic looks a lot smaller when next to the Corolla. By itself it looks kind of big. The GR is surprisingly fun on track - way better than I expected though I had the diff give up within 15 min every time. Some coilovers, stiffer rear bar and different wheels/tires would make the Corolla a weapon I think. I can't help but think you should have your rear seat back up a notch so the wheel is not so far away... I bet control would be finer.
I would like to see how the 2024 circuit with the suspension upgrade does on a track. They made several changes to the new models and changed up the lineup a lot.
We don't have the 2024 circuit in Australia. The 2024 circuit is the base model in Australia.
Literally depends what you want. I could care less about rhe fwd honda, nicer interior, and slightly bigger vehicle. The awd and front and rear differential with cylinder turbo has me sold.
The FL5 R mode suspension seems to be a downgrade on the FK8 - they overdid it in the FL5 and it seems to be a common complaint from track users. Most tests on UA-cam seem to be in Sport mode.
Best video on this subject thank you
The toyota GR corolla is more 86 than the gr 86
I'll have both thanks.
fantastic review, thank u!
Love my GR Corolla.
FL5 mops GR Corolla … GR Corolla mops FL5 … depends on wether it’s Circuit or Rally driving … apples and oranges people
enjoyed the track comparo, well done drive.
Glad you enjoyed it Johny!
Please request Honda to make an AWD civic type r + DCT option as well.😂
Doing the rolling start instantly gave the Type-R the faster lap time.
Toyota GR and Type R should get together to produce a GT-R sport car.
If Honda was AWD I wouldn't hesitate to go and buy it .
Honda the power of dreams ✨️
Red interior wins and looks luxurious on camera. Corolla black ceiling and black everything is too dark. Add dark tint at night and its like being buried alive with your cell phone.
Let’s see how well the 3 cylinder Toyota engine will age. I wonder if they’ll start to fail just after warranty is over
I'm looking around at all these threads on UA-cam and they have cars that are meant to corner for real drivers doing drag racing like it's the ridiculous side of Odyssey like I've been ever seen before the type R on the mountain road literally smokes cars that are over $300,000 all over the place
The Civic had better track tires?
Cherish these cars people. Electric future is nigh
All I heard about last week was the CyberTruck :(
I'd be curious to see the difference on track performance in rainy conditions as the AWD typically is the better option for rain or snowy areas
Wasn't too surpised with the outcome.
The Type R just looks a lot more beastly.
Rarely seem them on the road compared to the GR though
WRX is a bargain compared to these 2 cars at app 51k new.
But they look ugly, especially the new ones, they look like they have hemorrhoids, plus the wheel design looks weird, could've stayed with the typical round around the wheel.
Looks terrible and has shitty open front diff
Se colocasse FWD no Corolla levaria uma surra de dar pena. O Grc tinha obrigação de bater o FL5 com RWD ou AWD, mas não. Civic is better!!
TypeR is a different animal 😮.
Pity it’s a go kart track. The Civic would be quicker on a fast flowing proper sized race track, where 4wd has less to offer.
Nitidamente Type R superior… interior, dinâmica e design!
that corolla infotainment is lethargic
Corolla all the way with its AWD. Its 2023, why are there still FWD "sports" cars.
GR is faster to 100Km so if had a standing start GR win...
Every review I've seen has picked the Type R as the winner, and so would I. Good job, Honda! Now, make a new S2000. I miss my S2K from many years ago.
FWD yawn and Corolla destroys in in damp or wet too.
Honda better car!!!!!!
Different if rain?
Absolutely, the AWD in the GR would be a big advantage in the rain.
@@Drivecomau and type r will lost more then half of it advantage in fwd layout
Honda need to give the next type r and rwd system
What's Honda known for? FWD econobox that drives really well with VTEC and is not ridiculously expensive. If you want RWD you're only getting a 2 seater if from Honda and in today's money will be $90k+ which you won't buy so Honda won't make it before the EV chassis designs.
@@Vermonstered umm okay 😐 👀
@@onandilewis3290 Sorry to pop your bub dream bubble with a little dose of reality.
@@Vermonstered I actually don’t care, I still hold my opinion
@@onandilewis3290 Cool. You cared enough to reply nonsense now twice. Your dream bubble can stay but just one of those you don't understand what Honda does well if you think that and that's fine, it's just a dream.
The $AUD is toilet paper I dunno why they blaming car makers for a shitty aussie currency
The only way is down ?😅
Nothing to do with AUD ...
It's cheaper here than anywhere else
Must be great fun but i will keep my ' 380 ' she is a beauty😅.
The hood vents on the GR Corolla are fake. The tire repair kit of the Civic is not underneath the trunk carpet but behind the left side cover and you can switch off automatic rev matching in the Type R Infotainment menu.
The hood vents are real.
@@nri1632 they do nothing but look cool. The core model has the same engine and no vents.
@@nfspeedy2 No doubt they are more form over function. They do however extract some heat albeit minimal. A fake vent would not allow any heat extraction.
Maybe this is region specific. I have a new FL5 and the tire repair kit is 100% under the trunk carpet.
All the vents are real if you own one and you wash it the water exits from another hole in the front guards and the rain trays on the bonnet vents can be removed
God dam those shitty little 3/4cyls are expensive, why can't Toyota do a decent engine any more?
Wat lol
I love my GRC
Absolute piece of junk for the money you have to spend. It is a shame that people are taken everyday by this company for their garbage cars. I know because back in the day I've had one. It was nothing but a bottomless pit of money and big construction. The workmanship the quality of what they use for material was absolute horrific junk my Nissan GTR will blow the doors off of anything at Ferrari makes. And I have just slightly under 300 grand in that car and you can't touch it.
I'm telling you that only so you can wise up and not go through what I went through with the false a hood that they give you about how great. Their cars are. Talk to the people that have owned him. I think you'll be able to decide for yourself. We're a better area of money would be spent and ensure as hell. Isn't a Ferrari?
Wat
Congratulation
You smoke crack??