Two of the best in the business at doing what they do. Thrilled to see this collab. As someone who plays both online and live regularly and who’s taken all the Carrot Poker School courses and also watched just about every Hungry Horse video, these two coaches actually think about poker very similarly and their teachings pair well together. Looking forward to more of this in the future!
I love these theory based videos (like the ones in which you nodelock the solver) just as much as the others because they PROVE to us why "exploitative" poker is so good.
I totally agree that GTO is a foundation/baseline to deviate from IF you are convinced. People always complain that GTO doesn’t account for exceptions as if you have to follow it 100%. In regards to the last message on this video….no, we won’t like it and frankly no one will. The boooyz are rooting for ya!
I often make this same mistake as the villain in spot 2 at 6:22. Could you explain why the bet isn’t for value? In my mind, I’m betting on the turn to get value from all the high spades ♠️ in the opponents range. AQ, AJ, A10 with 1 spade. Is this range too narrow? Love the videos. Keep up the great content!
First hand you guys went over, quite contradicting with your favorite live line in low stakes live games "bet , check, bluffcatch" what do you think about this difference?
don't think its quite contradicting, line still valid. in this example they just didnt bluff with stone bottom of range. i think this just shows how much air theyre getting here with in the first place!
for the greed theorem, I see so many live pros always bet smaller amounts because "they want to get called" with super strong hands and they think there villains have a weak range. is this a mistake that they are making by not making big bets, like they should in theory?
Sizing down in those scenarios because you want to get called is exactly the mistake he's talking about. Both in theory and in practice when you have the nuts and they basically can't you should just bet big. Without getting to far into the details it's the thing you're supposed to be doing in theory, and exploitatively sound as so few people, especially live, are able to respond anywhere near correctly.
This is a different scenário. He has the nuts and doesn't block the villain's Calling Range. Usually you want to bet small when facing a perceived weak range to get call from Ax and bottom/middle pairs.
@@Arttano Thin value is a higher EV strategy in a lot of scenarios when you will never be called by worst betting higher and will lose a lot of EV Against Population who can't Bluff catcher enough with break even hands. We can't generalize the spot
it's a mistake if they would've called more. it's a mistake if they fold but would've called less. it depends on the people, context and session. you can't have a general rule be a simple answer in this case. it's usually a mistake most of the time if you go that generic to 'find an answer'.
@@genesises but when they call the 2x pot overbet you make up the money for the times they fold, that is what the theory is saying but so many people just try to target smaller bets not thinking about this principle
12 min mark it was pointed out a reg kept raising another good player, and you were thinking “What are you doing? Keep the fish in by calling?” It could be the reg just hadn’t thought of that, and would agree if you pointed it out. My question is, is it unethical to mention that to the reg? Is it a bad idea?
Yes any coaching that could influence action is a very big no no to do during the game, now afterwards if you guys just want to talk about the session then yea that’s fine
Question, wasn't spot number 1 the most profitable spot in poker? Hero cbets in position, the turn checks through, and hero bluff catches the river. The whole point is that villains will be over bluffing that line, but this video is saying that villains will be under bluffing that same line?
yep you’re right! pete was tackling this more from an online angle, but agree this spot is massively over bluffed live. because villains are too wide pre and call too much flop and raise too much strong stuff flop.
It can both be true that villains are missing mandatory bluffs, and that when they do bet it is a profitable spot to call when you have showdown value. This will happen when they arrive to the river with too many bluffs and too little value(for the reasons marc said). Also because people are too transparent with sizings and they don't bet thinly enough for value, online or live.
Yo Marc, I’m ready to move up from 5/5 to 5/10. Would you recommend 5/10 at Commerce or 5/5/10 at Hustler? Thanks in advance. These poker tutorials are awesome btw.
I dont get the greed theorem. Shouldnt it depend on the range of your opponent? Sure when his range contains a decent amount of 2 pairs we should shove. When you know the guy is most likely on a weak pair or a missed draw why would you jam? I would rather bet tinuly and induce a bluff to exploit them.
(that really guy exists, playin regularly in Berlin´s cashgames, middle-aged-half-bald-curly guy, always going for 2-3 rebuys an evening) /(no, not me)
Yeah, Pete is like some sort of philosophical scholar when he goes full into poker. I find it difficult to follow. I enjoy his Poker Distilled podcasts though. I've listened to all of them.
@@hungryhorsepoker i have, all respects to you and the game of poker. maybe in ca game selection is huge. as for las vegas it's low stakes limited to plenty of sharp players .
@@hungryhorsepokerthe horse man, Mr Goon has given so much information for beating fish and regs, just follow his advice, has made me an insanely winning player. Thanks Mr Horse Goon.
@hungryhorsepoker I am digging your New Approach including other Players / Coaches to bounce hands off of 🙌 I give it the 15" POKER HAAAAARRRRDDD Stamp of Approval ♠️ ♠️ ♠️
There's some things I'm not sure make sense here. Don't 3-bet AJ when you're against "weak" players because they'll punt off 80bbs with top pair. Kind of makes sense... But they'll also likely hit two pair with J7 when you limp with AJ and you hit Jacks. Then you have to try and work out what kind of gash holding they have because you let them in so cheaply. The whole theory of 3betting is to eliminate random holdings and make ranges so much more obvious. Sounds a little hopeful, keeping players in because you have the mighty mighty hand of AJ and they aren't very good.
I like your vlogs a lot Marc, but please don't bring this 'carrot' man anymore on the vlog preferably. Sorry for my outspoken opinion but that is just what i think. 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Theory is a basis to deviate from as we see the mistakes of our opponents. Microstakes has pool tendancies that can be exploited, but without knowing what is proper poker how do you identify the bad plays to exploit?
This was a blast Marc. Thanks for having me on the channel and you guys have done an amazing job bringing this video to life in the editing process!
loved doing this series! thanks for making it happen 🥰
COLLAB OF THE FUCKING CENTURY
Honestly, one of my favorite vids. Going to Carrot Corner now; (playing online :)) )
Two of the best in the business at doing what they do. Thrilled to see this collab. As someone who plays both online and live regularly and who’s taken all the Carrot Poker School courses and also watched just about every Hungry Horse video, these two coaches actually think about poker very similarly and their teachings pair well together. Looking forward to more of this in the future!
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Not one, but two collaborations between two of my favorite poker educators. Thank you both!
it's a dangerous game putting a hungry horse next to a carrot... fun video!
My two favorite poker YT peeps on one video. YAYYYYYY! You can tell I am a nerd. :)
Your videos make my week! I love taking what I learn onto the felt and seeing the results!
ty ty ty 🥰
Carrot corner 😍 I never expected you guys to make a video
Background music need to be tuned down
Better yet turned off completely after the first couple minutes
"I'm scared that i might be a horrible poker player underneath it all." Some of these insights are haunting
Awesome collaboration 🐎🥕
Very well reasoned and explained. Excellent video, thanks
damn the 2 best poker training creators in one video
can you make a video over double board bomb pot theory and strategy
Bart Hanson has a few check them out.
i’m not that great at them but i can try!
While you're at it, how about theory for bingo! 😂
I love these theory based videos (like the ones in which you nodelock the solver) just as much as the others because they PROVE to us why "exploitative" poker is so good.
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I totally agree that GTO is a foundation/baseline to deviate from IF you are convinced. People always complain that GTO doesn’t account for exceptions as if you have to follow it 100%. In regards to the last message on this video….no, we won’t like it and frankly no one will. The boooyz are rooting for ya!
Villain has a good hand. And we have 10 high.
That guy is weirdly funny
I often make this same mistake as the villain in spot 2 at 6:22. Could you explain why the bet isn’t for value? In my mind, I’m betting on the turn to get value from all the high spades ♠️ in the opponents range. AQ, AJ, A10 with 1 spade. Is this range too narrow? Love the videos. Keep up the great content!
This is awesome guys!! 🙏
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Ultimate collaboration
First hand you guys went over, quite contradicting with your favorite live line in low stakes live games "bet , check, bluffcatch" what do you think about this difference?
don't think its quite contradicting, line still valid. in this example they just didnt bluff with stone bottom of range. i think this just shows how much air theyre getting here with in the first place!
Commenting for the algo, love to see this from two entertaining players
Ever going to do any videos on tournament play or will they all always be strictly cash games?
Brilliant video..thankyou...
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for the greed theorem, I see so many live pros always bet smaller amounts because "they want to get called" with super strong hands and they think there villains have a weak range. is this a mistake that they are making by not making big bets, like they should in theory?
Sizing down in those scenarios because you want to get called is exactly the mistake he's talking about. Both in theory and in practice when you have the nuts and they basically can't you should just bet big. Without getting to far into the details it's the thing you're supposed to be doing in theory, and exploitatively sound as so few people, especially live, are able to respond anywhere near correctly.
This is a different scenário. He has the nuts and doesn't block the villain's Calling Range. Usually you want to bet small when facing a perceived weak range to get call from Ax and bottom/middle pairs.
@@Arttano Thin value is a higher EV strategy in a lot of scenarios when you will never be called by worst betting higher and will lose a lot of EV Against Population who can't Bluff catcher enough with break even hands. We can't generalize the spot
it's a mistake if they would've called more. it's a mistake if they fold but would've called less. it depends on the people, context and session. you can't have a general rule be a simple answer in this case. it's usually a mistake most of the time if you go that generic to 'find an answer'.
@@genesises but when they call the 2x pot overbet you make up the money for the times they fold, that is what the theory is saying but so many people just try to target smaller bets not thinking about this principle
What are your thoughts on high rake games? Im from Aus and rake is 10% at $17 for 2/2. Games are soft, what would you do?
play a bigger game where rake is less of a factor. that rake is horrible.
@@hungryhorsepoker I know lol. I’m 19 and have a limited bankroll, should I short buy 2/5? Or would u just grind a little more until properly rolled
@@nicrobinson482did you not read the comment? stop playing at that level. buy short at 2/5 or whatever your next game is
5:03 a knight from aoe
12 min mark it was pointed out a reg kept raising another good player, and you were thinking “What are you doing? Keep the fish in by calling?” It could be the reg just hadn’t thought of that, and would agree if you pointed it out. My question is, is it unethical to mention that to the reg? Is it a bad idea?
Yes any coaching that could influence action is a very big no no to do during the game, now afterwards if you guys just want to talk about the session then yea that’s fine
Question, wasn't spot number 1 the most profitable spot in poker? Hero cbets in position, the turn checks through, and hero bluff catches the river. The whole point is that villains will be over bluffing that line, but this video is saying that villains will be under bluffing that same line?
yep you’re right! pete was tackling this more from an online angle, but agree this spot is massively over bluffed live. because villains are too wide pre and call too much flop and raise too much strong stuff flop.
It can both be true that villains are missing mandatory bluffs, and that when they do bet it is a profitable spot to call when you have showdown value. This will happen when they arrive to the river with too many bluffs and too little value(for the reasons marc said). Also because people are too transparent with sizings and they don't bet thinly enough for value, online or live.
@@hungryhorsepoker ok I thought I was tripping lol, thanks for the clarification/reply!
Yo Marc, I’m ready to move up from 5/5 to 5/10. Would you recommend 5/10 at Commerce or 5/5/10 at Hustler? Thanks in advance. These poker tutorials are awesome btw.
commerce will be the smoothest jump to 5/10. no straddles. 1500 cap. more game selection.
Thanks bro. Keep up the good work. We all appreciate it.
In the last hand, he's not folding a K for half pot, which it very strongly looks like he has? I feel like this isn't enough fold equity as played..
He has 4 hands that include a K KQh KQc KJh KJc? He has a lot of hands that don't. Also like looks very much like AK.
Don’t be bringing in all this logic and asking good questions
@@karlmason7985or he has K8o and is too invested to fold now
@@kenrobinson1188weird comment
Did Peter use J92 two-tone on purpose?
no!
Carrot Corner forever
This guy sounds like Shrek haha. Great video!
Hungry Horses enjoy eating carrots, corners and all!
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background music needs to be lower ;)
my grandmother composed it so trying to give her a bit of exposure
@@hungryhorsepokerfwiw i completely disagree with other dude
@@hungryhorsepoker Just turn her hearing aid up and should be good
Why is there music when we are trying to listen to people talk?
I dont get the greed theorem.
Shouldnt it depend on the range of your opponent? Sure when his range contains a decent amount of 2 pairs we should shove. When you know the guy is most likely on a weak pair or a missed draw why would you jam? I would rather bet tinuly and induce a bluff to exploit them.
When do I get my kiss?
Gto vs the guy with the 50bb rebuy-check-call-ANY-strategy... autsch
(that really guy exists, playin regularly in Berlin´s cashgames, middle-aged-half-bald-curly guy, always going for 2-3 rebuys an evening) /(no, not me)
@@superfreeeeeak obviously they are very exploitable but gto would run over a player like this.
One person say simple english words, the other so complexy poetry..
Yeah, Pete is like some sort of philosophical scholar when he goes full into poker. I find it difficult to follow. I enjoy his Poker Distilled podcasts though. I've listened to all of them.
soft live games such a rare event these days players are so well informed. it a poker battle out there.
if you think this is true in any way shape or form, watch my low stakes vlog… hint: it’s not true
@@hungryhorsepoker i have, all respects to you and the game of poker. maybe in ca game selection is huge. as for las vegas it's low stakes limited to plenty of sharp players .
@@hungryhorsepokerthe horse man, Mr Goon has given so much information for beating fish and regs, just follow his advice, has made me an insanely winning player. Thanks Mr Horse Goon.
If you want to make money in live low to mid stakes I gotta go to Texas not Vegas or CA @@pokerbosscycler
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Background music is insufferable 😂😂
This content is very good.
Please stop making it :D
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Horses eat carrots 😊
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15" POKER HAAAAARRRRDDD
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@hungryhorsepoker I am digging your New Approach including other Players / Coaches to bounce hands off of 🙌 I give it the 15" POKER HAAAAARRRRDDD Stamp of Approval ♠️ ♠️ ♠️
You can’t stamp with a missel ….fuck you autocorrect where are you when I NEED you?
15 poker hard stamp of approval is next level
@joeingram1 THE MAN / THE LEGEND !!!!!!!!!!! We need you back Papi 🙌🙌🙌
No.
Marc I love the content but I'd like to recommend lowering the volume about 40-50%
It becomes distracting.
Keep up the good work
what volume? the background music?
@@hungryhorsepoker Yes
There's some things I'm not sure make sense here. Don't 3-bet AJ when you're against "weak" players because they'll punt off 80bbs with top pair. Kind of makes sense... But they'll also likely hit two pair with J7 when you limp with AJ and you hit Jacks. Then you have to try and work out what kind of gash holding they have because you let them in so cheaply. The whole theory of 3betting is to eliminate random holdings and make ranges so much more obvious. Sounds a little hopeful, keeping players in because you have the mighty mighty hand of AJ and they aren't very good.
Oh my lordy! First?!
omg u did it
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Tricked into watching Carrot dude, oof. Needs content warning.
You saw his 🥕 😮 15" POKER HAAAAARRRRDDD
FIFTEEN? Respect.
BRO YOU NEED TO MAKE THIS VIDEO NOT OTHER PLAYER S BRO NOT EVERY ONE CAN COACH BRO DONT F#$%K YOUR CHANNEL
I like your vlogs a lot Marc, but please don't bring this 'carrot' man anymore on the vlog preferably.
Sorry for my outspoken opinion but that is just what i think.
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i like him but i hear and appreciate your opinion!
Lol… the guy is amazing in theory
Just enjoy it
@@thomaseychenne2430 he wants to be entertained, not get better😂
Hey @hungryhorsepoker you should ask him about his poker results? Guy never got past 50NL and quit his challenge after losing 3 buy ins
What was his challenge?
It is def not matter as much in micro stakes
Theory is a basis to deviate from as we see the mistakes of our opponents. Microstakes has pool tendancies that can be exploited, but without knowing what is proper poker how do you identify the bad plays to exploit?
I just subbed I would like my promised kiss. 💋😘