Budget Burner - Its Cheap but is it any good?

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  • @alexanderellul2701
    @alexanderellul2701 2 роки тому +33

    I have one of these stoves, the door should always stay open and face the wind direction. The wood should be cut longer and allowed to rest on the door, hence pushed forward when it gradually burns out.

  • @pete9359
    @pete9359 2 роки тому +11

    I just bought one its spot on
    Top tip
    If you put the handles on the front and back of the box in the upright position then place the grill on top with the loops over the handles the handles stay up and Act as a pan rest😉
    It also helps keep it rigid and put the ash tray with the lip facing down 😊
    The pan as a half inch gap so fire can now breath 😋
    Happy campin🍻👍👊

  • @wildwoodways5812
    @wildwoodways5812 2 роки тому +31

    There are two versions of these, one with the pegs as above and the one I've got where the grate hinges down and rests on metal hooks on the sides. It's pretty solid, no problem picking it up by the handles and moving. The ash plate slides in the same. Of course, you miss the Trangia option unless you drill extra holes
    Edit: the Redcamp one linked above is like mine, see the rivets for the clips on the side. Recommended!

  • @englishbull79
    @englishbull79 2 роки тому +29

    I have the same one had it for about a year and its still going strong and I use it for fires buring all night aswell it's been well worth the 20 qwid I paid for it

    • @katerinadicamella
      @katerinadicamella 2 роки тому +3

      Finally, someone understand and appreciate the value and products ability they paid for. because most people tended to criticize just hearing it is made in China and immediately thinks cheap and trash.

  • @jim-bob-outdoors
    @jim-bob-outdoors 2 роки тому +5

    Mate of mine has one. We used it as a contained camp fire. Had it burning for the whole evening without a problem.

  • @gregmccoy4782
    @gregmccoy4782 Рік тому +3

    I have one of these, I can start a fire inside it, it’s fantastic works very well. Getting that blue sticky plastic off was a real pain but apart from that the stove is great.

  • @longrider42
    @longrider42 2 роки тому +5

    Oh am I glad I bought the Redcamp version. The fire grate is hinged inside the unit, so when you unfold it. The grate drops down and engages a hook built into the folding sides and locks it into place. Then yep, you got the ash pan right, and the top grate, only fits in one way really. Other then that, its a good little stove that I thought I'd never buy. Mine weighs in at 1.9 pounds, and also comes in a case. I bought mine to primarily use it with the Military Trangia Spirit Burner.

  • @seanorrick8921
    @seanorrick8921 2 роки тому +2

    I bought one for my car kit. Haven't tried it yet. Nice to see it in action.

  • @ralpha679
    @ralpha679 2 роки тому +1

    I use this in my woodland and it's amazingly simple. Boils water for two cuppas in just a few minutes. No complaints here.

  • @bcamping1
    @bcamping1 2 роки тому +1

    I've put a finer mesh to keep coals from falling thru and jamming the airflow. Got mesh from one of those disposable single use bbq things.

  • @darcyleepearson4416
    @darcyleepearson4416 2 роки тому +2

    Im a propper fan boy of this stove had mine over 4 years ..i prefer this over the bushbox xl ,over that time iv implemented a few changes and it still blows my mind and i love the door small fires big fires i love it x

  • @kennethwilson8633
    @kennethwilson8633 2 роки тому +2

    Yep pretty solid stove I have the hinged bottom grate and the pegged version both work well and you don’t need a wind block but if you use one it reflects the heat to you well in cold weather. Have fun stay safe.

  • @joesmith4222
    @joesmith4222 2 роки тому +11

    Great review. Got the same one by Redcamp. Mine doesn't have the pins, when you open it the bottom grate is hinged and it drops into place. I did a couple of modifications to mine. Added a lower grate with smaller holes. Put a flat washer under the keyring on the latch, and found out the ash pan wouldn't go in all the way because I had it upside down. The bent end faces down.

    • @jeannep320
      @jeannep320 2 роки тому

      I have the redcamp too. I will try your modifications.

  • @70agrr
    @70agrr 2 роки тому +5

    Had one of these for well over a year now, love it, cheap and does the job, sorted.

    • @kentsurvivalgearreview586
      @kentsurvivalgearreview586  2 роки тому +2

      good to know its lasting well

    • @70agrr
      @70agrr 2 роки тому +2

      @@kentsurvivalgearreview586 I stick a small plumbers mat underneath it to protect the ground

  • @andrewbadinski7040
    @andrewbadinski7040 2 роки тому +2

    With one simple mod this is in my opinion by far the best stainless steel folding wood stove on the market for the price. Been using mine for quite a while and has never given me any trouble. I wouldn't hesitate in buying another one if I lost this one... Even over a Firebox.

  • @marksadventures3889
    @marksadventures3889 2 роки тому +4

    I got one of them- rock solid and apart from the nasty blue film coating I can recommend it. I didn't get pegs with mine. As for the latchh I tightened mine when I did my first inspection and burn. I use a foil try below- no dramas.

  • @outdoorpoormet9447
    @outdoorpoormet9447 2 роки тому +2

    Glad to see that you don't turn your nose up at something just because it's "budget". A fair review, I thought. Is it a premium stove? No. Is it worth the price and does it have its place? Heck yeah.

  • @bosun9708
    @bosun9708 2 роки тому +10

    Hi Andy I've got one of these and yes I've had to do a few modifications such as a cross pan support about an inch high which seems to work well, yes it is cheap and the build quality is questionable but as an entry level wood stove It doesn't break the bank🙂

  • @rayarcher9318
    @rayarcher9318 3 місяці тому

    I agree with the comments. I have the hinged grate version which locks up nicely and holds things rigidly. The dor works fine when you realiseits just a simple latch. I bought mine in the middle east where is cost an amazing £11. As a consequence i bought two and by removing a hinge pin from the side i can join them together for when i need two pans on the go. Another tip, if the hinge pins fall out, put a slight bend in them and they will grip tightly.
    Rickety...nonsense..hahaha

  • @corkynunley9160
    @corkynunley9160 Рік тому

    we just bought this for our camping trips. thank you so much for giving us a preview so we can know what to expect :)

  • @davidgibbings6085
    @davidgibbings6085 2 роки тому +2

    I also have one , the door I sorted by putting a small soft spring to take up slack between the key ring and door so its under pressure :, seem to work 🙂👍

    • @utubeape
      @utubeape 2 роки тому

      good idea, I was wondering about a little magnet

  • @duggydugg3937
    @duggydugg3937 2 роки тому +3

    the fuel door on a 45 ° or 50° might make it work like a rocket stove.. say a hook & eye or a chain & slot arrangement to hold the fuel door at the desired angle ... .. if feasible .. it would allow longer sticks to be used...

  • @anthonyharman7837
    @anthonyharman7837 2 роки тому

    Hi Andy have one of these made modifications is now working very well

  • @lonewolf352
    @lonewolf352 2 роки тому +1

    Hi andy thanks for that review i was looking for a stove but i don't think i'll go for that one. Love your cooking it's great.

  • @rn.v4629
    @rn.v4629 Рік тому

    i got one myself, 90% the same as this one. only the floor part is on a hinge and u just press it into place. what makes it very solid already. i bought it in 2020 for only 18€, its by far the best bushcraft ive bought for 18€ only.

  • @mikebass3721
    @mikebass3721 2 роки тому

    Thanks for the demonstration, on the back of it have ordered the cheap £19.99 one through your link with the added bonus that they now take off the protective film for you

  • @utubeape
    @utubeape 2 роки тому +1

    I have one of these, you can raise up the 2 side handles and clip them in the upright position with a bit of wire so that you can get better airflow for boiling quicker.But then it gets hot so you have to use pliers on a multi-tool to remove it for other cooking.
    I think it should be possible to get some sheet metal and make a pot stand that either sits on top with the good airflow, or slots into grooves cut into the stove with an angle grinder to make it flush and reduce airflow for normal cooking

  • @michaelseah9617
    @michaelseah9617 2 роки тому +1

    Great video. I have the different version. The grate is inside and folds down locking into the sides. I love this stove, it's easily lit. I use it with alcohol stove and dry wood.
    The only issue is bigger pans blocking the air it's not a issue with a pot stand.

  • @Phatzoot
    @Phatzoot 3 місяці тому

    Just ordered one for 11 quid lol looks awesome cant wait to use it!

  • @WillieMakeit
    @WillieMakeit 5 днів тому

    this is my group camp twig stove and I use it with my Pulk in Wisconsin

  • @olejacobstalesen6558
    @olejacobstalesen6558 2 роки тому +6

    Getting a look at options like this stove is great for those of us with less to spend. Thanks!

  • @sunnymas2656
    @sunnymas2656 2 роки тому

    Nice to see. On photos it looks smaller.
    But it is a small stove. And Everyone must check: If it`s ok for him, or too small ?
    Anyway, it works. And you have showed it. So thank you, for the video.
    Greetings from sw germany.

  • @talk2knut
    @talk2knut 2 роки тому

    Thank you Andy for that nice review. I think I found the Condor knife on Amazon. Thanks again, Knut

  • @tracker5849
    @tracker5849 2 роки тому

    I've got that stove...had it a couple years. It works very well. Also have the fireboxes....have used this stove many times...I use it with door open. Yes it is rickety. But cooks well if your careful

  • @garyloach1563
    @garyloach1563 2 роки тому

    Hi Andy i got one off ebay £16.00 i have made 2 stainless cross from corner to corner 25mm high. This seems to make it more rigid and helps air flo when it has a skillet on
    Works great now
    Regards
    Gaz

  • @phatwayne
    @phatwayne 2 роки тому

    Take a shot every time Andy says rickety :) Might buy one!

  • @aynsleycooper365
    @aynsleycooper365 2 роки тому +2

    Useful. Sorry to hear about your wind...

  • @rogerferris3720
    @rogerferris3720 2 роки тому

    I've got one of those, a good friend bought it for me for Christmas. I've yet to try it out, out in the field.

  • @chrisandsamlivingthedream
    @chrisandsamlivingthedream 2 роки тому

    I’ve got similar stove .. you can open the door easy … I’ve cooked a curry on it no problems.. when you open mine a plate drops down it’s amazing stove stick stove think it cost me £13 from China .. really happy with it

  • @longrider42
    @longrider42 2 роки тому +1

    P.S. Multi tool is your friend, to open and close the door. I've even seen people carve a stick to fit into that ring.

  • @Frazzlepops
    @Frazzlepops Рік тому

    They're cheap as chips now. Got an eBay bid bargain at £8.50. Could easily get one for £12. Mines got the fixed grate inside that flaps down holding it better. I drilled a few holes for vents and 2 for my trangia. Love it

  • @bushcraft_crush2455
    @bushcraft_crush2455 2 роки тому

    Great video. Thanks for the look!

  • @TheWtfnonamez
    @TheWtfnonamez Рік тому

    I have a Redcamp version of this in large.
    If I need to carry a burner in my pack I would take a little rocket stove. But for car camping, or if you plan on doing proper cooking, these things are great.
    You basically have a decent, stable platform for doing decent cooking with camp cookware or full size pans.
    Much more efficient and useful than trying to balance your little camping cup on a log fire whilst you spill your noodles into the embers lol

  • @simonhopkins3867
    @simonhopkins3867 2 роки тому +1

    I'm glad i got a cheap gasifier. Thanks Andy.

  • @dannyoutdoors5322
    @dannyoutdoors5322 2 роки тому

    I've got same 1 works amazing I've had mine 2yrs no problem I got mine from eBay £10..
    Got some great patina on mine I burn for hours & hours In mine, cools down quick too..

  • @Astrid591000
    @Astrid591000 2 роки тому

    Thank you kent for sharing Im thinking of buying something like this but now maybe something bit more sturdier. ☺️❤️

  • @andrewforrest8938
    @andrewforrest8938 2 роки тому +1

    Fantastic video on the Burner Andy not bad for the price, and a great thanks Andy for a fantastic video your bacon didn't take long to cook 🥓👍

  • @troyjenkins3886
    @troyjenkins3886 2 роки тому

    Favorite cheaper stove is my OneTigris Evil Eyes.I also like my Bushoxes and Fireboxes.The Picogrill 85 is pretty awesome too.

  • @Gator-357
    @Gator-357 Рік тому

    I just got one of these for $20USD. With a few simple and easy mods to make it more stable and efficient, it is a pretty good stove for the price

  • @bigriceburner
    @bigriceburner 2 роки тому

    The redcamp model they sell today does not have the pegs for the bottom grate which is hinged and makes it less rickety.
    Ali express sells stainless steel floor drain plates and grills the right size to close up the bottom holes. I bought both to give my the option of using wood pellets with the drain or just firewood using the added grate, which is much like your top grate in hole size. These are great stoves for those on a budget. I love mine and nowadays they remove the blue film.

  • @joealcamo8901
    @joealcamo8901 2 роки тому +1

    Great emergency stove and can be taken on car trips anywhere.

  • @TheProCut17
    @TheProCut17 2 роки тому

    great review Andy, that bacon was spot on

  • @almath9987
    @almath9987 2 роки тому

    Thanks Andy, got one had to modify with grate made of perforated plate from work and added slots at the top for the grill handles. Can't complain for the price👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿⛺

  • @northernembersoutdoors1045
    @northernembersoutdoors1045 2 роки тому +3

    Aye I have this one too, I added an extra grate to the bottom because I found the holes too big and it was hard to get the fire going. Grate in and it works great. I like the door as it supports the wood. Overall it's OK but I don't use it too much. Cheers Andy.

  • @jamesconduit330
    @jamesconduit330 2 роки тому

    I have one of these, and think they are good value for money. A couple of crocodile clips help keep the pins in place, and yes a good level surface makes a big difference. the worst thing about it was peeling off all the blue plastic. there is enough room in the bag for a few fire lighting essentials too

  • @jasejjohnson5386
    @jasejjohnson5386 2 роки тому

    I have one as well.mine has a aah grate that is hinged on the inside that falls down when open.that hinged grate makes mine alot more strong than the one you have.plus all extras fold up inside of the stove,and wont come out as long as you keep the one side down.i like mine honestly and i have alot of different types of stoves,wood burning alcohol and gas like my msr pocket rocket 2.firebox nano.i also have an emberlit wood stove which like $45 and is nothing as nice as this one.mine just not rickety though.nice to see others using it too though.so.thanks

  • @sdsi68
    @sdsi68 2 роки тому

    Thanks for the review Andy, always wondered about that stove, but I'm leaning towards the Firebox 😁🤙🤙🤙

  • @orenmontgomery8250
    @orenmontgomery8250 2 роки тому +3

    I was surprised to see you oil your pan before adding bacon. I've never thought that was necessary. 🥓

    • @kentsurvivalgearreview586
      @kentsurvivalgearreview586  2 роки тому +2

      I find it helps when putting straight on the heat, a low heat tends to bring out the oils before it starts frying :)

  • @peterhock6526
    @peterhock6526 Рік тому

    Den habe ich auch und bin sehr zufrieden damit

  • @craig2622
    @craig2622 2 роки тому +1

    Hi Andy I think that's cracking value for what it is the fact it could do with some mods is fine by me I would make a couple of steel strips for a pan so it would breath better plus a few small drill holes in the bottom of the door haven't got one of these stoves so for me yea 😀 going to get one great review m8 👍.

  • @Kenbur
    @Kenbur 2 роки тому

    nice review - I have three great high-end stoves that I pretty much use but was wondering about one of these cheaper versions to throw in the vehicle as a just in case - so this helped a lot. thanks Andy

  • @treksntarps
    @treksntarps 2 роки тому

    Nice informative vid. You just reminded me that I've got one of those stashed away somewhere 😂. Seem to remember it doing the trick. Might dig it out. Takecare 👍

  • @fredfleming261
    @fredfleming261 2 роки тому

    👍👍🔥🔥Andy a tip to get that blue plastic off spray it with windex let it soak in then you can easily scrape off

  • @QuinchGaming
    @QuinchGaming 2 роки тому +1

    The old cylinder shaped wood-gas stoves are the best if you want "cheap", generally solid and collapse down to a mug size.

    • @kentsurvivalgearreview586
      @kentsurvivalgearreview586  2 роки тому +2

      They are certainly good value, I find them excellent for a quick boil etc but not as good for longer cooks or for a small camp fire as they are soo efficient and fuel hungry

  • @barryconway
    @barryconway 2 роки тому +1

    That's a good review, sir. Thanks for doing it. Not quite sure i can put my finger on why, but this is way more useful (in my eyes) than "another headtorch" review (o; Cheers!

  • @AncientHermit
    @AncientHermit 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you so much Andy, I spotted these just last night, and felt I may take a punt on one.😃 I may still but it is slightly less likely now.🤔It could clearly use some fettling. 😉Glad to know how it is though and I can't really thank you enough for this timely and informative review.😁 Excellent stuff. 🙂Be well😊

    • @kentsurvivalgearreview586
      @kentsurvivalgearreview586  2 роки тому +1

      Hi Ian, take a look on youtube at some of the modding options, sure some will comment here too with ideas, sounds like they still last, just a bit rattly haha

    • @AncientHermit
      @AncientHermit 2 роки тому +1

      @@kentsurvivalgearreview586 I saw some comments on Amazon explaining that you can flip the handles up, and poke them through the handling loops on the top grill, thus making it stay put better. I'm looking for a small twig burner to use up some twiggy garden waste, and get a cuppa out of the act of disposing of it😉

  • @mphigham1963
    @mphigham1963 2 роки тому

    Cheers Andy, it looks ok for £20. like you say, it will do the job !!

  • @charleyann7560
    @charleyann7560 2 роки тому

    Just signed up to your patron, sorry its only the bottom tier but enjoy a cuppa ❤️ have watched every single one of your videos and we wait for a new one on a Wednesday on your main channel! My son loves them as well and keeps pestering me to go camping 🙈 x

  • @70cimabue
    @70cimabue 11 місяців тому

    I have one of these stoves now for 6 years, but mine come with a bottom rack inside that folds down when you open the stove….it stays open and is very sturdy….i use it with wood and wood pellets…..if you use it with the door closed it still works very well and maintains a perfect fire….
    Just 3 negatives and 1 of the negatives isnt that big of a deal breaker……
    1). the handle to open the side door gets very hot and you need have gloves or your fingers won’t have any fingerprints left…
    2). When you place a large pot on top, it can smother the flame and put it out….i hade to make a raised pot stand for it….
    3). This isn’t a big deal, but still a negative… I like to go minimal with chest sling bag…it takes up a too much space…..if I use my backpack, then it doesn’t matter….

  • @TheAngelOfDeath01
    @TheAngelOfDeath01 2 роки тому

    I much prefer the Firebox to this Chinese low-budget scrap. When you are dealing with fire you need ample security and such starts with a good product that is safe to use, that is solid and reliable.

  • @johnb579
    @johnb579 10 місяців тому

    That was a great test but could you do a test on a good quality stick burner as I'm interested in buying one thanks.

  • @indianatone218
    @indianatone218 8 місяців тому

    Doesent seem too bad ,id prefer a collapsing one like this .the clip together ones are too fiddley ,thanks for showing us ,

  • @Funkteon
    @Funkteon 2 роки тому

    I have this stove. It's fine for throwing in a car-camping kit, but takes up a lot of space in a backpack if you're trying to go with a lightweight kit...

  • @sergeiz.5815
    @sergeiz.5815 2 роки тому

    I like your technical terms (rickaty)

  • @seanthomasdowd
    @seanthomasdowd 2 роки тому +1

    Had one for a year, does it's job ok, the plastic was a pain and the door handle is fiddly but not had a problem with it

  • @BrianthatiscalledBrian
    @BrianthatiscalledBrian 2 роки тому

    Thanks again, Andy. 🙂👍

  • @mikedelacruz3135
    @mikedelacruz3135 2 роки тому

    Awesome review Sir Andy 👊🏼😎🤙🏼

  • @christopherparisi9396
    @christopherparisi9396 2 роки тому

    British bushcrafters are the Diana Ross of the outdoorsman

  • @kidda74
    @kidda74 2 роки тому +1

    I got one of these, for the price they're a bargain! I've adapted mine to hold a trangia too 😁👍

  • @christianboutell7112
    @christianboutell7112 2 роки тому

    The bacon always looks so nice,perfectly cooked.🐖🍽🥓

  • @Soldiertsering
    @Soldiertsering 23 дні тому +1

    Can it be use with open door

  • @sarahbarnes942
    @sarahbarnes942 9 місяців тому

    That looks like some proper bacon 🥓, you have there! No shrinkage or water seeping out .... 😋 Yum!

  • @gentity8589
    @gentity8589 2 роки тому

    Looks great.

  • @terrylookabill8441
    @terrylookabill8441 2 роки тому

    I drilled holes around the top to let the fire breath better.

  • @jamesbowen5573
    @jamesbowen5573 2 роки тому

    I think it would cook a lot better if you were to get four small rocks or four glass marbles and space them out on the grill to set your pan on. And also open up the door on the side to allow more air to come in. I have made a few of these out of metal cans. For you use it you should spray paint it with black barbecue grill heat resistant paint. It can help reduce corrosion and protect it from rust assuming it doesn't get so hot it burns off. Because I know it has its limits but it was designed for barbecue grills so it might work on it. It works on my other cooking pans I take out.
    If you want a good free one, go behind a restaurant with a buffet and get a large green bean can or other metal can. And you can cut a side hole to add more materials. Small holes around the top and even cut down a little ways to allow air to come in, and then some holes around the bottom for air to come in usually about half inch above the bottom of the can. If you use a can opener to make the top holes you can bend them up enough to where it will lift the pan up off the edge providing some space too but you don't want to leave the impart Sharp

  • @michaelhardy2803
    @michaelhardy2803 2 роки тому +1

    Amazing video👍

  • @TTM1895
    @TTM1895 2 роки тому

    Thx for the review 👍

  • @Soldiertsering
    @Soldiertsering 23 дні тому +1

    Anyone use it with long wood sticks and with open door . Is there any difference use it open and close door

  • @sparrowflying864
    @sparrowflying864 2 роки тому

    What is the little titanium bushbox called? I looked on the website but didn't see any small ones like it that are hinged.

  • @per-ake
    @per-ake 2 роки тому

    Hi Andy, great video. where do you get your bacon from? I'm only down the road in Sittingbourne. Cheers.

  • @stephenlambert9826
    @stephenlambert9826 2 роки тому +1

    Haven’t you reviewed one of these before you made the review channel?anyway I own one and I like to use it along side my firebox 5”,i use it to pre heat coals ready to feed into the firebox and it has performed so far

  • @Standswithabeer
    @Standswithabeer 2 роки тому

    Hmm...I bought the same stove, but the fire grate on mine folds down immediately upon opening; also, try inserting those hanging side-handles into the ears on the top grill, which will stabilize it on top when cooking. The door is an admittedly frustrating thing, as the latch isn't well conceived. I bent the ring so that it is easier to turn when blazing hot. The door needs to be open, usually, to allow air flow. Overall, i have used this stove extensively, and i must give it excellent grades in all areas...except for that frustrating blue plastic, lol.

  • @dwaynestewart411
    @dwaynestewart411 2 роки тому

    Not all of us have companies that send us stuff for free or have the money to buy the most expensive ones. We have to use what we can afford or not do anything. I made a home made stove and it may not be as lite but I would matchnit up against any of the other ones

  • @duggydugg3937
    @duggydugg3937 2 роки тому +1

    either way it puts out a honkin good flame

  • @georginawoodford228
    @georginawoodford228 5 місяців тому

    I would change out the latch with a wooden draw pull

  • @rogan70
    @rogan70 2 роки тому

    Bacon again frying in a pan Andy - thank you 🥓🙏🏾👏🏽

  • @kyndrydspyryt3867
    @kyndrydspyryt3867 2 роки тому

    does a Trangia burner actually fit on those pegs properly?

  • @BoltonMaverickoutdoors
    @BoltonMaverickoutdoors 2 роки тому

    I had one of these 3 years ago it did the job but I gave it away eventually

  • @chriscjjones8182
    @chriscjjones8182 2 роки тому +2

    Been looking at these for a while now but the folding ones never really seem to be that good. Might as well just pay a little extra and get a more well made one in my opinion

    • @kentsurvivalgearreview586
      @kentsurvivalgearreview586  2 роки тому +3

      yeah, the extra engineering does show the budget but its a definite option if someone cant justify or afford the more expensive brands :)

    • @chriscjjones8182
      @chriscjjones8182 2 роки тому +1

      @@kentsurvivalgearreview586 checking out amazon quickly and this same company do another factory generic wood burner that clips together like your other stoves for about £12, already looks like a better design to me and cheaper than the folding one here. Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on that one from them too

  • @pablobartelotte4553
    @pablobartelotte4553 2 роки тому

    Did you say Peg as in Simon Peg, you Brits always throwing props out