My Daikin MXL series heat pump is giving stunning AC performance. If it's 30C outside, it has no problem keeping it at the set temperature of 22C inside. It uses 1/3 of the power that my very efficient through the wall AC units. People are amazed with how low my power bills were with the two old units. Now it is even less. My May bill was only C$75.49 for some heating and some cooling.
Local contractor shared a quote with the Goodman GSXS6 Split System, Side Discharge, High-Efficiency, Communicating, Variable-Speed, Inverter Driven. Said it was the Goodman version of Amana ASXS6. Have you reviewed this one?
This is the Goodman side discharge… it’s the same but they don’t make an “enhanced” version so if you’re doing AC only and your climate is under 100-105F in the summer you’ll be fine with the Goodman system. But they really start to derate past 95-100F which is why for heat pumps they don’t work in Phoenix Arizona or Colorado because at 5-10F they’re running at 50% capacity.
This is the same unit as the Daikin Fit. It can be bought as an ac Only or heat pump. You can only pair the AC version of it with an existing furnace. They have a relay panel that you have to buy to add with it. It does have to have a matching communicating coil very good technology on this unit.
I appreciate the information. We recently had a couple mini splits installed to help us get through the summer heat until we replace the package heat pump on our roof. It would be great to be able to replace our non-working heat pump with a Daikin/Goodman Fit inverter package heat pump because our old heat pump never did a good job heating during the winters. I’m looking forward to your update. Thank you and have a great day!
I like Goodman. I’m in ACL. They are in Houston so I will buy them before out of state. I have two OEM Goodman Central ducted systems from when the house was built in 1996. One died so it was replaced with a newer Seer16 variable speed Goodman. The other is still cooling and has a gas furnace. Eventually it will be replaced with a new Goodman. Reason I am researching these new heat pumps for ducted systems.
Can it simply replace an outdoor compressor-condenser, using an existing in-duct evaporator and tubing? This video suggests it needs its own smart-evaporator, like a mini-split. The former would be best for me since just want to change the outdoor unit and leverage everything else. I've proven that 1.5 ton AC suffices for my 2200 ft2 1-story, even on 110 F days, after installing a mini-split 1-head, using a box fan to blow cold air down the hallway. Another small compressor for the Central would more than suffice (my compressor failed).
It needs a special evaporator coil , replay panel and Daikin communicating thermostat. Can not pair the heat pump version with anything but a matching communicating indoor unit.
I just installed this goodman sd heatpump. One video I'd love to see is how to program the thermostat. I know heat pumps don't love wild swings in temperatures. That stated, as an EV owner, when peak rates kick in in the summer, I doubt ignoring those is wise either. Do you have any recommendations on what the thermostat settings should be on a system like this? My installer said to leave it at one temp and walk away. However, it seems like there should be a more optimal strategy. Any help is appreciated.
I don’t really overthink it… I set it at whatever temp I’m comfortable at when I’m home and then when you leave you can set it higher, but not so high it takes forever to recover. For example I would set the temp above 80-85F when I’m gone in the summer, because if you set it to 90 and then crank it down to 72f when you get home at 6pm your system will take hours to get comfortable. It’s normally about 2~ degrees per hour on a properly sized system (this can vary) but just setting it at your ideal set temp during peak time if you’re home is fine. If you’re concerned with peak usage rates you could look into battery backup from your EV if the rates are REALLY high (.50 cents+) but IMO the batteries in your car are typically more expensive that this on a KWH basis so if your rate only goes from .15 cents to .30 cents it’s probably not worth it financially speaking.
Amana is similar to Daikin and is slightly upgraded from the Goodman unit. The Goodman unit is the first generation Daikin fit and Goodman doesn't make an enhanced version like Daikin and Amana, which means the cold climate performance isn't as good with the Goodman. Specifically the COP is lower and Capacity drops quicker at colder and hotter (in AC mode) temperatures
I’m considering upgrading my Amana unit with a TRANE XV20i. I’m in Houston I have a 3 floor home with a 2 ton unit cooling the 3rd floor and a 3 ton system with zone control for 1st and 2nd floor. The 3rd floor struggles with humidity control due to heat rising, home has an open stairwell from 1st to 3rd floor and sometimes the humidity is over 60% on the 3rd floor. Current system is 9 years old and already had the EVAP coil fail a few years ago. TRANE dealer quoted $18,000 for XV20i and a Dakin dealer quoted $21,000 for Dakin fit. Both complete system changeout with 80% gas furnace. My HVAC guy said either change this year with 410A or wait until 2026 for the new systems due to 2025 being the change over to work out the bugs of the new equipment.
R32 bugs are already worked out because it’s been out in Europe for years but 454b has not yet so that may be relevant… is the sizing right for the load and have they been able to explain why the 3rd floor can’t keep up with humidity removal and temperature? If the ductwork is big enough to handle it and your Evap coil isn’t dirty / refrigerant charge is good then I would think it should be keeping up even in the Houston humidity. Daikin fit has an overcool to dehumidify feature and I believe the Trane might too?
Does Goodman have a heat pump that IS for cold climates… in essence that’s eligible for the rebate? Their stuff is often much cheaper so that would be nice
Daikin Fit, best bang for your buck for a high efficiency quiet heat pump and Kentucky is a relatively moderate climate (compared to Phoenix for example) so they do particularly well there
I just had a 2 ton SD Goodman installed last month for my home in Wisconsin. Cost was $5400 installed. It is configured with my CTK04 communicating Thermostat and GMVM97 Goodman Nat Gas Modulating furnace. This is configured as a duel fuel setup. I spent a lot of time researching this and the COP differences for me were so close it didn't seem worth going to the Daikin FIT.
On a 2 ton it’s much closer, that’s a very low price, for furnace too or was the furnace existing? At a glance I would have thought the parts cost was higher than that
Right on I was curious when I saw this come out because it’s basically a gen1 Daikin fit, and at that price it’s hard to beat, sounds like you got a great deal. We love inverters too so I’m glad to hear you’re happy with it so far!
When I look at the Consumer Reports Predicted Reliability and Customer Satisfaction Survey for heat pumps, Trane and American Standard have the highest combined score, followed by Bryant, Carrier, Lennox, and a bunch of others close behind.
That’s interesting, idk how much I trust those reports I’ve always wondered where they get the stats from but people who have Trane typically love them, but I also have heard people say the same thing about most other brands. Some people just have a strong preference
As far as heat pumps the Daikin Fit is the best in North America for the money in my opinion. I’d buy the unit with a 1e on the end so it hits the tax credit and is more of a hyper heating unit in cold climate. The other brands haven’t figured out how to produce really hot heat at all times of the year with their heat pump. Daikin has figured that part out and tries to maintain 100° coil temperature.
@@TheHVACDopeShowas far as reliability Daikin and Mitsubishi are really the only two truly Japanese manufactured hvac out. Toshiba and Fujitsu went to Korea I think. Very high quality manufacturing. Like buying a Toyota. I’ve been to the factory in Waller Texas. Their training rooms are dojos .
A quick apples to apples comparison of the 2 ton GSZS6 (When available assuming street price will be about $3,700) vs 2 ton GSZV9 (Online price of $6,000). At 70 IDB, 67 IWB & 115 ambient outdoor temp, running at 800 CFM (per the recommended 400 CFM per ton) we get 19.7 BTUs for the side discharge vs 70 IDB , 67 IWB, 115 OAT & 820 CFM of 21.1 for a difference of 1.4 tons. Personally, I don't see the point of paying 60% more. Just upsize to a 2.5 ton and your MBh output jumps to 24.7 BTUs. Most of the components would comparable except the surface area of the cooling fins. At some point, the cost of these traditional box, variable speed heat pumps have got to come down.
If your talking cooling and your ductwork can support upsizing the condenser / system then that’s fine, I would probably agree but the GSZV9 will handle the high ambient temps a little more gracefull whereas the side discharge ramps up quickly on hot days at temps above 100/105 depending on how you set it up. I personally would go for a side discharge but some people prefer the other.
Is energystar is the only certification link for rebate? I am installing rd17az48. I dont see that listed in energystar. The ahri does list eligible with matching air handler for south region. Also manufacturer also confirmed rebate for socal region. Is that enough for claiming credit?
@@TheHVACDopeShow yes, i did search there. May be they dint update it. I don’t find rd17AZ48. Manufacturer says all tons energy star rated and Ahri directory says its eligible for south. 214832596 is the number. So, i believe its qualified unless fed says different
I believe it says it's single stage because it has one compressor with one refrigeration loop instead of a dual stage which has two compressors into separate refrigeration loops. I think these are just recently entering the market for residential HVAC? Dual stage is a huge boost in performance and efficiency at extreme temperature from what I heard.
2 stage and variable speed equipment is highly recommended, however they are prone to more problems due to the bells, whistles, and general operation of the systems. Inverters are noise sensitive to emi or electromagnetic interference such as sound, lights, etc. versus a normal split single stage which isn’t as affected. Single stage equipment is reliable in the long run. Less things to go wrong.
The Daikin - DZ6VS should be EnergyStar rated, which should be eligible for up to a $2000.00 tax credit, whereas the Goodman is not eligible. That would be one difference I can see.
This has me so confused. The energy start website shows the diakin Fit Dz6VS as energy star labeled. The energy start website says in the South (Virginia) that all energy star labeled products are eligible for the tax credit. But then the certificates on Diakim website says not eligible for the South. Is there a definitive source?
As in dual fuel with a furnace? Yes it can, it has a lower cop / capacity at low temps because of design so it’s not great in cold weather below 30F but yes it can definitely do dual fuel
When did it become comon practice to include a still with your mouth hanging open on every video (or nearly every video) you produce? Is this what it takes to garner clicks on click bait youtube? Just curious. Thinking about making fun of it on an upcoming video of my own to mock those talking heads that do it.
Idk lol, don’t hate the player hate the game right? It’s the algorithm… I’m just out here hustling for them clicks 😂… Fyi I looked at your thumbnails and the key difference is just too much text, typically vids do better with simple concepts / less text. You don’t have to do the Mouth open omg selfie lol but that’s just what I’ve noticed
My Daikin MXL series heat pump is giving stunning AC performance. If it's 30C outside, it has no problem keeping it at the set temperature of 22C inside. It uses 1/3 of the power that my very efficient through the wall AC units. People are amazed with how low my power bills were with the two old units. Now it is even less. My May bill was only C$75.49 for some heating and some cooling.
Local contractor shared a quote with the Goodman GSXS6 Split System, Side Discharge, High-Efficiency, Communicating, Variable-Speed, Inverter Driven. Said it was the Goodman version of Amana ASXS6. Have you reviewed this one?
This is the Goodman side discharge… it’s the same but they don’t make an “enhanced” version so if you’re doing AC only and your climate is under 100-105F in the summer you’ll be fine with the Goodman system. But they really start to derate past 95-100F which is why for heat pumps they don’t work in Phoenix Arizona or Colorado because at 5-10F they’re running at 50% capacity.
What would you recommend for Chicago area? I currently have a builder grade 13 SEER 3.5 ton Goodman AC and 115K BTU gas furnace.
This is the same unit as the Daikin Fit. It can be bought as an ac Only or heat pump. You can only pair the AC version of it with an existing furnace. They have a relay panel that you have to buy to add with it. It does have to have a matching communicating coil very good technology on this unit.
Yes it's a great system it just doesn't come in the enhanced version for low ambient or high ambient performance like the daikin fit or Amana enhanced
@@TheHVACDopeShow it will when the new refrigerant unit comes out.
Is Goodman going to come out with an inverter package unit? Thanks for another informative HVAC video.
I know Daikin is by end of summer / 2024 but I don’t know if Goodman will have it too. I’ll let you know when I find out!
I appreciate the information. We recently had a couple mini splits installed to help us get through the summer heat until we replace the package heat pump on our roof. It would be great to be able to replace our non-working heat pump with a Daikin/Goodman Fit inverter package heat pump because our old heat pump never did a good job heating during the winters. I’m looking forward to your update. Thank you and have a great day!
I like Goodman. I’m in ACL. They are in Houston so I will buy them before out of state. I have two OEM Goodman Central ducted systems from when the house was built in 1996. One died so it was replaced with a newer Seer16 variable speed Goodman. The other is still cooling and has a gas furnace. Eventually it will be replaced with a new Goodman. Reason I am researching these new heat pumps for ducted systems.
They make a good product, I wouldn’t oppose having one installed in my house!
Can it simply replace an outdoor compressor-condenser, using an existing in-duct evaporator and tubing? This video suggests it needs its own smart-evaporator, like a mini-split. The former would be best for me since just want to change the outdoor unit and leverage everything else. I've proven that 1.5 ton AC suffices for my 2200 ft2 1-story, even on 110 F days, after installing a mini-split 1-head, using a box fan to blow cold air down the hallway. Another small compressor for the Central would more than suffice (my compressor failed).
It needs a special evaporator coil , replay panel and Daikin communicating thermostat. Can not pair the heat pump version with anything but a matching communicating indoor unit.
Thank you!! What Nigel said 😁
I just installed this goodman sd heatpump. One video I'd love to see is how to program the thermostat. I know heat pumps don't love wild swings in temperatures. That stated, as an EV owner, when peak rates kick in in the summer, I doubt ignoring those is wise either. Do you have any recommendations on what the thermostat settings should be on a system like this? My installer said to leave it at one temp and walk away. However, it seems like there should be a more optimal strategy. Any help is appreciated.
I don’t really overthink it… I set it at whatever temp I’m comfortable at when I’m home and then when you leave you can set it higher, but not so high it takes forever to recover. For example I would set the temp above 80-85F when I’m gone in the summer, because if you set it to 90 and then crank it down to 72f when you get home at 6pm your system will take hours to get comfortable. It’s normally about 2~ degrees per hour on a properly sized system (this can vary) but just setting it at your ideal set temp during peak time if you’re home is fine. If you’re concerned with peak usage rates you could look into battery backup from your EV if the rates are REALLY high (.50 cents+) but IMO the batteries in your car are typically more expensive that this on a KWH basis so if your rate only goes from .15 cents to .30 cents it’s probably not worth it financially speaking.
How is Amana's inverter system compared to Goodman's inverter system? Are there any major benefits to go with Amana?
Amana is similar to Daikin and is slightly upgraded from the Goodman unit. The Goodman unit is the first generation Daikin fit and Goodman doesn't make an enhanced version like Daikin and Amana, which means the cold climate performance isn't as good with the Goodman. Specifically the COP is lower and Capacity drops quicker at colder and hotter (in AC mode) temperatures
I’m considering upgrading my Amana unit with a TRANE XV20i. I’m in Houston I have a 3 floor home with a 2 ton unit cooling the 3rd floor and a 3 ton system with zone control for 1st and 2nd floor. The 3rd floor struggles with humidity control due to heat rising, home has an open stairwell from 1st to 3rd floor and sometimes the humidity is over 60% on the 3rd floor. Current system is 9 years old and already had the EVAP coil fail a few years ago. TRANE dealer quoted $18,000 for XV20i and a Dakin dealer quoted $21,000 for Dakin fit. Both complete system changeout with 80% gas furnace. My HVAC guy said either change this year with 410A or wait until 2026 for the new systems due to 2025 being the change over to work out the bugs of the new equipment.
R32 bugs are already worked out because it’s been out in Europe for years but 454b has not yet so that may be relevant… is the sizing right for the load and have they been able to explain why the 3rd floor can’t keep up with humidity removal and temperature? If the ductwork is big enough to handle it and your Evap coil isn’t dirty / refrigerant charge is good then I would think it should be keeping up even in the Houston humidity. Daikin fit has an overcool to dehumidify feature and I believe the Trane might too?
@@TheHVACDopeShow and Asia.
Does Goodman have a heat pump that IS for cold climates… in essence that’s eligible for the rebate? Their stuff is often much cheaper so that would be nice
They don’t currently no, I think it’s reserved for the Amana / Daikin version
What would you recommend for Kentucky, and has to be a heat pump no gas available here
Daikin Fit, best bang for your buck for a high efficiency quiet heat pump and Kentucky is a relatively moderate climate (compared to Phoenix for example) so they do particularly well there
I just had a 2 ton SD Goodman installed last month for my home in Wisconsin. Cost was $5400 installed. It is configured with my CTK04 communicating Thermostat and GMVM97 Goodman Nat Gas Modulating furnace. This is configured as a duel fuel setup. I spent a lot of time researching this and the COP differences for me were so close it didn't seem worth going to the Daikin FIT.
On a 2 ton it’s much closer, that’s a very low price, for furnace too or was the furnace existing? At a glance I would have thought the parts cost was higher than that
How do you like it?
@@TheHVACDopeShow Furnace is existing, I had it installed in 2019.
@@TheHVACDopeShow I like it so far, its really quiet and works pretty well.
Right on I was curious when I saw this come out because it’s basically a gen1 Daikin fit, and at that price it’s hard to beat, sounds like you got a great deal. We love inverters too so I’m glad to hear you’re happy with it so far!
How does this system compare with Gree Slimline Flexx60HP230V? I am getting significantly different quotes for these two.
Goodman always gonna be better. Originally Japanese designed. But assembled in USA Texas. Gree is 100 percent Chinese and has had bad feedback
When I look at the Consumer Reports Predicted Reliability and Customer Satisfaction Survey for heat pumps, Trane and American Standard have the highest combined score, followed by Bryant, Carrier, Lennox, and a bunch of others close behind.
That’s interesting, idk how much I trust those reports I’ve always wondered where they get the stats from but people who have Trane typically love them, but I also have heard people say the same thing about most other brands. Some people just have a strong preference
@@TheHVACDopeShow And Goodman costs a whole lot less.
If you pay enough, you can be #1 also. Those rankings are bull$hit
As far as heat pumps the Daikin Fit is the best in North America for the money in my opinion. I’d buy the unit with a 1e on the end so it hits the tax credit and is more of a hyper heating unit in cold climate. The other brands haven’t figured out how to produce really hot heat at all times of the year with their heat pump. Daikin has figured that part out and tries to maintain 100° coil temperature.
@@TheHVACDopeShowas far as reliability Daikin and Mitsubishi are really the only two truly Japanese manufactured hvac out. Toshiba and Fujitsu went to Korea I think. Very high quality manufacturing. Like buying a Toyota. I’ve been to the factory in Waller Texas. Their training rooms are dojos .
A quick apples to apples comparison of the 2 ton GSZS6 (When available assuming street price will be about $3,700) vs 2 ton GSZV9 (Online price of $6,000). At 70 IDB, 67 IWB & 115 ambient outdoor temp, running at 800 CFM (per the recommended 400 CFM per ton) we get 19.7 BTUs for the side discharge vs 70 IDB , 67 IWB, 115 OAT & 820 CFM of 21.1 for a difference of 1.4 tons. Personally, I don't see the point of paying 60% more. Just upsize to a 2.5 ton and your MBh output jumps to 24.7 BTUs. Most of the components would comparable except the surface area of the cooling fins. At some point, the cost of these traditional box, variable speed heat pumps have got to come down.
If your talking cooling and your ductwork can support upsizing the condenser / system then that’s fine, I would probably agree but the GSZV9 will handle the high ambient temps a little more gracefull whereas the side discharge ramps up quickly on hot days at temps above 100/105 depending on how you set it up. I personally would go for a side discharge but some people prefer the other.
Is energystar is the only certification link for rebate? I am installing rd17az48. I dont see that listed in energystar. The ahri does list eligible with matching air handler for south region. Also manufacturer also confirmed rebate for socal region. Is that enough for claiming credit?
Energystar.gov has a rebate finder and if the equipment pulls up there as qualifying then it should qualify..
@@TheHVACDopeShow thanks. The website list ruud achiever series not model. Rd17az is achiever series
@@TheHVACDopeShow yes, i did search there. May be they dint update it. I don’t find rd17AZ48. Manufacturer says all tons energy star rated and Ahri directory says its eligible for south. 214832596 is the number. So, i believe its qualified unless fed says different
Does Goodmen Offer a 2 1/2 Ton Inverter???
Yes, we just installed a 3 ton one, but we were considering 2 1/2 ton at the beginning.
I believe it says it's single stage because it has one compressor with one refrigeration loop instead of a dual stage which has two compressors into separate refrigeration loops. I think these are just recently entering the market for residential HVAC? Dual stage is a huge boost in performance and efficiency at extreme temperature from what I heard.
2 stage and variable speed equipment is highly recommended, however they are prone to more problems due to the bells, whistles, and general operation of the systems. Inverters are noise sensitive to emi or electromagnetic interference such as sound, lights, etc. versus a normal split single stage which isn’t as affected. Single stage equipment is reliable in the long run. Less things to go wrong.
Long shot speculation, is this a rebadged Daikin unit since Daikin owns Amanda and Goodman now.
The Daikin - DZ6VS should be EnergyStar rated, which should be eligible for up to a $2000.00 tax credit, whereas the Goodman is not eligible. That would be one difference I can see.
Correct big difference is it’s essentially like a generation 1 Daikin fit, so no energy star and no tax credit, and not as efficient in extreme temps.
This has me so confused. The energy start website shows the diakin Fit Dz6VS as energy star labeled. The energy start website says in the South (Virginia) that all energy star labeled products are eligible for the tax credit. But then the certificates on Diakim website says not eligible for the South. Is there a definitive source?
Can this Unit do Hybrid?
As in dual fuel with a furnace? Yes it can, it has a lower cop / capacity at low temps because of design so it’s not great in cold weather below 30F but yes it can definitely do dual fuel
When did it become comon practice to include a still with your mouth hanging open on every video (or nearly every video) you produce? Is this what it takes to garner clicks on click bait youtube? Just curious. Thinking about making fun of it on an upcoming video of my own to mock those talking heads that do it.
Idk lol, don’t hate the player hate the game right? It’s the algorithm… I’m just out here hustling for them clicks 😂… Fyi I looked at your thumbnails and the key difference is just too much text, typically vids do better with simple concepts / less text. You don’t have to do the Mouth open omg selfie lol but that’s just what I’ve noticed
@@TheHVACDopeShow It's a game no doubt about that. How long until the clueless audience catches on to that? LOL. Don't beat up the audience. too late.