@@arithmetic7105 It isn't. The 7500 is near enough equal in performance to a 7600. The 7600 outperforms or is equal to a 5800X3D in games. It is nowhere near a bottleneck.
rzr0015 You missed the whole point of the Video he says you better overclock some old CPU, then buy a new model !!!!! Overclock the F CPU, using DDR5 6000 mem ? on some cheap old DDR4 Board ???
Agreed, I'm tired of the oil baron comparisons of $1000 graphics cards and $500+ processors on motherboards that cost as much as my mortgage payment. Steve does an excellent job with hardware most folks can afford.
@@MoultrieGeek The facts are that there are tech porn channels and real World channels. Most people are on older and or lower tier cards and computers. I wouldn't spend on the top of the line most up to date cards no matter how much money I had, unless I lived in the Arctic Circle where it'd double up as a space heater.
@@darthwiizius yeah agreed dont necessary need to buy latest and greatest graphics cards or cpus to run games all of the time but decent hardware makes sense like recent 12gen core i3 which is better or equal to 10th gen i5 paired with rtx 2080 ti more then enough for my standards especially in a country where i live is in inflation.
@@6kittys147 I think if you can afford to when you build a new computer it's best to start with an up to date platform so you have an extended upgrade path for your CPU, modern PCie interface, memory etc. I'm still on AM4, when I switched from my old Z70 4th gen i7 build I got a cheap deal on a used Zen 8 core so the net cost for switching was the cost of the new PCB, I replaced that with a budget Zen3 6 core a couple of years ago, which is a much better gaming chip. I'll probably change platform again next year and start with an entry level chip but fast RAM so I can just use that for the entire lifespan of the build.
Awesome video, like always! I really wanted a new CPU, but didn't have the money to buy AM5, so I decided to go for a 5700x for only $150! In some games it's a huge difference coming from a 3600
@@death-knight4222 looks like I'm in the same boat, this are the parts in my shopping cart: Ryzen 5600, MSI B550-A PRO, 32 GB 3200MHz CL16 Corsair Vengeance, and ID-COOLING SE-214-XT ARGB, total = $327.96, the plan is to get a 5700X3D later and sell the 5600
Prices for DDR5 are actually great? You don't need 6000/30 32GB for a 7500F. Even if you did they are around $120/120€ which is a really good price for what is the current gen best RAM in the market. You can get 2x8 5600/30+ for around $70/70€ which will do fine with a CPU as low as this one. I do agree that the 12400F/5600 are amazing for their price point. And I like the way this is moving forward... A 7500F is an even better CPU and it costs around the same. I hope the trend continues for the sake of us budget gamers!
@@dorayaki5494 The cheapest 6000/36/32gig costs 102€ and the cheapest 4000/18/32gig is 50€. You lose around 10% perfromance but save 50€. The 12400F costs 110€ while the 7500F costs 177€. And then there is the motherboard. Cheapest B650 mobo that can power the 7800X3D if needed with quality VRM is 112€ while the cheapest B760 with quality VRMS is 120€. A DDR4 12400F system is way cheaper than the 7500F, atleast where i am.
I got a 12400 months ago, a decent cheap MB and super cheap 32GB DDR4, which I can still expand. I paired it with my old 3050 for some casual gaming and I use it for work every day (software development, several virtual machines running and more). An absolute beast of a budget PC. And since they kept launching compatible motherboards all the way up to the 14th gen, you actually have plenty of feature rich MB alternatives if that's a concern.
@@lucasrem Dude, stop spreading misinformations on him. Every users have their own rights to upgrade PCs and laptops and at least they're very happy and enjoy for using new upgrades. Also because some people didn't have much money to buy newest specs for big jump upgrade or other reasons, only one gap generations are still perfect at all.
@@lucasrem its very rare to see big improvement just from ram speed, like so far the only game i saw benefit from it is CP2077, other then that ddr4 does fine, by what you say i am bottlenecking as well as i use 2x8gb ddr4 3200mhz with i5 13600kf and rtx 4080
If im not talking complete garbage, you can at least on the correct motherboard overclock the i5 12400(f) to the point where it sits above 5Ghz and performs like a 13600k. Only problem is power consumption, heat and efficiency go through the roof Oh and there are barely any motherboards capable of overclocking the non-k CPUs
@@JanM2i think one of those boards is the demon MOTHERBOARD A.K.A ASRock B660M PG RIPTIDE. IMO if you want to overclock non K 12 gen cpu you should buy a dual tower hsf cooler or 240 mm aio + that thermalright contacts frame.
@@MadridistaFrierenI have a B760M PG Riptide which is about the same but ddr5. I used it for a while at 5.2 but I had to decrease to 5GHz because it was not that stable (at startup, not at full load)
I bought the 7500f a few weeks ago in a bundle with an MSI B650 board. It was the only chip available, 7600 and above all sold out already. Paired to 4070 Super in perfectly happy with the combination, it replaced an old Xeon 5690 and GTX 1060 3g. In retrospect no complaints for not being able to get a better chip.
The X5690 was used in the second PC I ever built lol the T3500 was such a good purchase for me for like a hundred dollars I got pretty good performance and with a 100 dollar graphics card during the GPU scalping pandemic I got a 4 GB GTX 770 EVGA SC I could play any game I wanted at medium to high settings back in 2020
The thing is 7500f is a great CPU that is also not too expensive but the problem is still the price of DDR5 RAM and motherboards. You basically save more than $100 if you go with DDR4. It might not sound like much but if you are making a budget build, it kinda is a lot.
Recently bought a 12400f to pair with an arc a770 LE and a cheap AliExpress b760 itx motherboard for a small portable gaming pc and so far it’s worked wonders. I’m exited to try out everything I can with the pairing
@@lucasrem Well the Arc a770 is faster than the GTX 1080 ti and that graphics card is faster than its little brother the 1080 so yeah it's definitely better lol and with double the VRAM
reinaldoantonio7271 Old Ebay crab you meant, why not Pre build 13700 F, buy the RTX 4070 Super, get the rest for free ! cheap Ebay, or keep the old system, why upgrade old crab with crab ?
In Resolve, it's worth mentioning that the i5 would have incredible timeline performance, with x264/x265 footage, if you used one with the iGPU making it a far better option than the Ryzen. I care for more about how well it performs in the timeline than render times.
Can't lie, I expected a bigger difference in favour of the 7500f given the extra 1 GHz clock speed advantage it has. If I was buying today, I do think the 7500f might be a better choice for the AM5 upgrade path, but this was way closer than I expected!
Probably RAM limited. He doesn't say which DRR5 RAM 6000 he's using, but my guess would be it has pretty high latency and the timings aren't set properly.
@@mikehawk6918 From his previous videos I can asume he uses the stupid 2x8 6000 cl36 kit, his Ryzen is super ram bottelneked. Awesome level of content he delivers here.
Happy with my 11400F paired with a 6950xt. Before anyone says it's a mismatch, I play exclusively on 4k meaning there is virtually no bottle neck. Won't be upgrading the cpu for a while.
@lucasrem not quite. I can run cyberpunk on max settings with RT off at over 100fps. Also if you used your brain before commenting, or better yet, actually did some research, you'd know that power is unlocked on z590 motherboards so it goes beyond 65w.
if you slot that i5 into a B660 motherboard, you can unlock the power limit and that will have it beating out the 7500F. The 7500F is also not available to purchase according to pcpartpicker and ebay listings have it at $140 or higher. Whereas the i5 can be had for $110. So the $30 difference between the two, covers the cost for a decent cooler; PA120 or Hyper 212 for example. The i5 is a no-brainer over the Ryzen...
Based on the performance from both CPU's, if you were looking for an entry level gaming rig (which is what this video was about) I would be choosing the Intel i5-12400F. The only game it really lost out to (compared to the Ryzen) was Cyberpunk, and if you're building an entry level system then you won't be using an RTX 4080 Super, in which case your GPU will be more limiting than your CPU. You can also use the much cheaper DDR4 RAM instead of DDR5 for the Intel platform, allowing you to get more RAM for your budget (even entry level gaming builds should have 32GB IMO). And let's not forget that you can upgrade from a 12400F all the way up to a 14900K or 14900KS.
You will be losing some perf with Intel if you go DDR4.HUB tested and got 7%(10 on 1% lows).And the upgrade to Granite Ridge X3D will be a bigger jump.
@@hungluongquoc9560 The problem is that in some countries, going am5 is way too expensive, even used parts. Generally would be cheaper going i512400+b660/h610+16gb ddr4. If we are talking about a budget build.
@@augusto6405not to mention soyo/maxsun vrm shielded h610m and b660 boards are cheap as hell in asian countries and could accept powerful CPUs such as 12700KF safely.
In Europe 12400f under 150€ and 7500f 190€. No, not comparable. And if iGPU will help in your productivity jobs it is a much better choice. 12600k for 230€ for example might be a real bargain for those who game and edit videos. You may also already have suitable DDR4 memory and then 12600k with a DDR4 motherboard will be even cheaper than 7500F set. I would go with 12600k for around 200 euros, even the upgrade path is quite extensive. All the way to the i9-14900k.
Interesting to see the two get pretty similar results even though there’s roughly a two year gap between their releases, really shows how intel stepped up their game with alder lake. That being said, I think it would’ve been interesting to test the i5 with ddr4 instead since it has the ability and would make more sense to use for a stricter budget.
The price bottom for used parts here is around 120€ for the 12400F and 170 for the 7500F, so I would easily go with the 12400F. Also the Fortnite result I would actually much prefer the significantly better lows on the i5 over 30 more fps after already having 300. It's a much more steady experience when the frame rate fluctuates less wildly and especially drops below 80fps are noticable. You can also very easily get the processor with the iGPU (the 12400 or sometimes also 12500) and still get away even cheaper with a DDR4 LGA1700 Motherboard and DDR4 over those pricy AM5 boards and DDR5. The performance benefit just isn't there to justify the extra cost.
Those results seem odd to me. The Ryzen 5 7600 is only a couple of % faster than the 7500f so theyre almost identical. At the same time, the 7600 is according to pretty much and major reviewer I know around 10-15% faster than the 13(!)400f, 20-30% faster than the 12400f. So actually, the difference between the 7500f and 12400f should be more like 20% on average at least
They are bad results, his Ryzen is very slow. In one of his previous videos he mentioned getting a stupid 2x8 6000 cl36 kit, his Ryzen is very likely super ram bottelneked.
With the lack of afordable options in AM5, can't find the 7500F available in amazon, so this are the parts in my shopping cart: Ryzen 5600, MSI B550-A PRO, 32 GB 3200MHz CL16 Corsair Vengeance, and ID-COOLING SE-214-XT ARGB, total = $327.96, with a Ryzen 7600 would be above $450 or 500
Great video! I've been wanting someone to do this comparison for a long time. If only the Ryzen 8300G was not locked to OEM only. It would have been a great option for budget gamers to get on the AM5 socket. The 7500F is still a great CPU for the money. Basically a 7600 but with no iGPU, which is fine for 90% of gamers.
True but I honestly can't find an R5 7500f for less than a i5 12600kf that is slightly faster so the price to performance ratio here isn't that relevant since the i5 12400f is significantly cheaper
Bought the 12400 when it came out. Also had a 5600x on a b550 mobo, both with ddr4 3600 cl18. I liked the i5 more than the ryzen. Lower power needs, less heat, overall faster. Now on a 12600k with b760 and this is still what I would choose over these two here, even over the 7600. The 12600k sometimes can be found under 180 euro new, even lower used. B660, b760 mobos also dropped in price. Not to mention ddr4 support. A nice b650 mobo is still 200 euro, and going am5 on a cheap mobo with future proofing in mind won't end up well.
Right now in the US the 7500f isn't available but the 7600 is and is %187. By comparison the 12400f is $110 and can get by with ram for about $50 less. $125 saved on the CPU and ram will get you a significant GPU upgrade for the price which will help with gaming and many professional applications. I would go with the Intel and tier up in dGPU.
I saw your comparison between the 7500f vs 12400 and 12400 at 5.0ghz. There is no big difference, even though you should have used an external device to see the power consumption of the 12400 when overclocked.
I can only find the R5 7500f at the price of 160 and the i5 12400f at 120 and the i5 12600kf at 160 and the i5 12600kf is a bit faster than the R5 7500f so if you're on a budget go for the i5 12400f if you can and the i5 12600kf or the R5 7500f is really just based on what your preferences are or if you're already on the LGA 1700 socket or the AM5 socket
12400F with a proper motherboard can be overclocked significantly, it's his biggest advantage: up to 20% performance uplift. It also benefits from the faster RAM... Ryzen 7500F is not really overclockable and only suffers with a ram speed over 6000mhz.
Though if you watch…like right at Black Friday sales in the USA, I picked up an i5 12600kf for $140 from Amazon. Got a z690 board that was open box for just under 100 and drop in 32gb of ram for around 50 bucks. Not a bad combo. Just saying if you watch you may get a deal on the better CPUs. At this point the ryzen is probably worth the asking price. The 12400, I mean it’s not bad but I’d say if you have a little extra maybe try to get a 12500 or a 13400 with the e cores which may help a bit more. But if you are on an extreme budget the 12400 should still be decent.
I'd never buy an "F" skew personally - a tiny bit of extra cost is worth having an iGPU for troubleshooting - not to mention the ability to repurpose the CPU without requiring a dedicated GPU after you eventually upgrade your gaming rig.
Thank you for video. I rather buy Ryzen due to long term support am5 socket if I need to choose between. But there is two advantages on the 12400f side - there is cheaper MB available for socket 1700 even with ddr4 support (but in 2024 I will try to avoid new ddr4 builds) and some b660/760 boards with bclk overclocking for 12th gen CPU, like Asrock Reptide series. And with overclocking result will be better with 12th gen (you can choose 12100 or even Pentium g7400 to play with) when you hit 5+GHz then with overclocked Ryzen, even that 7500f gain maximum percentage of improvement in overclocking due to minimum frequencies of all Ryzen 7xxx parts.
Yeah his data is straight up BS. A 12400 isn't bottlenecking a 4080 Super, let alone competing with a mid-high end Zen 4 7500F chip, is a tale tell sign that he's fluffing up numbers.
Can you please also do a productivity test? Like Premiere Pro playback and render, After effects playback and render, Da VInci playback and render. Thanks
Running a budget machine at present. I5 12400f, RTX 3050 8gb, 16gb 3200mhz DDR4 RAM. Not a bad little machine. Runs Tekken 8 just fine. And my son is happy because he is getting 75-90 fps in RDR2 on high settings.
Don’t have the 12400, but the 12600kf. Pretty happy with that. As a long time amd user, around 20 years, I went with Intel around Christmas for the first time. Part of the factor with socket am5 at least at the time was cost. I think they are getting better with it, but at that time I got the 12600kf for about $140, z690 board for about $100, and 32gb ddr4 3200 for around $50. So decently happy with that and I can upgrade to 14th gen Intel if needed. At the time I think for a comparable am5 rig you were talking about an extra $100 or so. So on a budget I went with Intel. Have heard a lot of good on the 12400 though.
prices in my country kinda strange i sold my r5 with mobo for 170$ and bought i5 12th with h610m k for 220$ 5800x 3d cost 250$ in my country alone@@cftyckct
@@lucasrem i have gtx 1070 evga hybrid with 120aio from bottlenecking in pubg on very low setting now getting 200-300fps prob gonna upgrade to rx 5700xt or 6600 in future
Interesting, I thought the 7500F would be a bit faster, especially with a 4080 at 1080p. I'm guessing the DDR5 really helps the 12400F stretch its legs.
I chose the i5 12400 before Zen 4 came out in 2022. I got it for $130 and an AsRock B660-M to go with it for another $60. I got it after watching you use it to test with for a while and realized it was more than suitable and was an actual upgrade from my i7 8700K, not a side grade.
ccooanser WHAT GPU U USE ? gamers never care for a CPU, only the RTX 4090 people need > 65 Watt CPU, 140 Watt 14900 K etc ! But why the Ebay crab ? Who needs that ??????????
7500F is what the 5600 was for Zen 3; has the same cache as the 7600/7600x, built on the same architecture, uses a single CCD, and the only thing it lacks compared to its Zen 4 counterparts is an iGPU. Which was typically the “norm” for Ryzen CPUs aside from the -G SKUs that did have one, but at the expense of less cache, lower PCIe support, and having the power draw split between the cores & iGPU. Regardless I’m happy to see that the 7500F is about as good as it gets for being “entry level” for AM5. Personally I’ve been content with my 5600 running at 4.8Ghz all-core + 32GB DDR4-3200 CL14 + 3060 Ti (also OC’ed to around 2100-2140mhz when fully utilized). But I’ve been debating on whether I should just throw a 5800x3D into my existing system (after I get either a 6800 XT or 4070 Super soon) or upgrading to AM5 / LGA1700 (would be happy with a 12700K or 13700K when it comes to the latter). Since I’m kind of torn between wanting to get the most gaming performance as possible on the CPU side of things, but I’d also like to have something like one of the aforementioned i7s where they can typically handle even the most powerful GPUs with minimal bottleneck and they have those E-cores which make them capable for other tasks outside of just gaming. And even with them being “slower” than the P-cores, they have similar IPC to Skylake / Kaby Lake. So yeah lol, I’ve been very interested to see how a CPU that’s basically a much faster 11900K with 1 or 2 i5-7600Ks (based on whether I get a 12700K or 13700K) would perform.
Owning a i5 12400f with b660 motherboard and 32gb ddr4 Ram paired with a used rtx 3070.. as a long time investment i dont foresee upgrading in near future.. as many people saying its a dead platform, most budget gamers wont upgrade until cpu dies, or performance not upto the mark. I planned for upgrade to 14th gen i5 or i7 which will still work on my current mother board down the line after 4 to years later by then am5 will be at EoL. For new buyers If budget is a major constraint intel is a good choice, if budget is not a constraint then AMD am5 since ddr5 companents are very costly from where I come.
For a CPU the lows are way more important, so the 12400f to me is a clear winner, also it's significantly cheaper. But there isn't much of an upgrade path which is a drawback. I think I'd still get the 12400f though.
I just built a system in November using 12400F so obviously I would choose that but I am still using it paired with an RX 5600XT from my previous system and to be fair it still plays many games at 1440p at decent settings. Admittedly it struggles with Starfield even at 1080p even dropping the internal render resolution to 50%. Although I do wish that game had a full screen resolution setting rather than setting it to the desktop resolution in borderless fullscreen.
Just don't play starfield, it's an unoptimized heap of garbage. When they get around to patching it, like 3 years into the game's lifecycle, it will run smooth af.
If you use a Gen3 GPU, it might be interesting to try small increasing the BCLK a bit. 7500F (from Aliexpress $110), MSI B650-S, Radeon RX Vega56, BCLK103.37MHz, PCIE Gen3 Settings, VCore Offset-40mV, Global C-state:Disable, Spread Spectrum:Disable, CPU VRM Switchng Frequency: Fast, CurveOptimizer: -0-0-0-0-0-0, Hynix M-die DDR5-5600 2x16GB 1.10v Jedec Green PCB @Memory OC Try IT! [Profile DDR5-6000 CL32], Cinebench R20 Single:734 Multi:5830 *BCLK OC can also be executed on A620.
If you’re building a new system, I can’t see any reason to choose an Intel CPU unless you’re on a very tight budget and want to go with DDR4 memory. AM5 platform has future gen CPU upgrade possibilities, whereas LGA1700 doesn’t.
It's like comparing a corpse with a living one. 12400 - dead. AM5 is the future. Despite the fact that the 7500 is even more powerful in stock, and it also has the ability to overclock/undervolt, not like the ridiculous 12400.
I'm driving a 7600x rn. I grabbed a few good deals over the holidays and I couldn't be happier on AM5. I do really hate Ryzen 7000's IHC tho. It sucks to apply thermal paste and worse to wipe off. I can see dealt with the same thing. lol,
Just got 12400f for $130, upgraded from 12100f for $96 back in 2022, I think its more worthed upgrade than 13400f pair with my 6600xt But if I build with all new components, I would prepare 7500F
I really like this segment of the market. My family doesn't need super high-end stuff to get what they need. A case in point is my wife's 12400/RTX3060TI/32GBDDR4-3600 based system. She can game pretty much everything she wants on it and it's great for Resolve and general productivity. She works remote for that Redmond megacorp and her 'battlestation' is more than enough for her daily work. I will probably upgrade her to a 14700 at some point if she complains about the performance but for now she seems to be perfectly content.
They are neck and neck. I built a 5600X and a 12400f system for my kids and it's very comparable a far as frame rates in games and overall performance.
I don't have any experience with the Ryzen 7000 platform, but I have a couple Ryzen 5000 series in the house as well as a 12700 non K system in the kids room, I will say I don't have any issues with the Kids PC, they run everything under the sun pretty well, but I did upgrade from DDR4 to DDR5 on the 12700 and it made a little bit of a difference in the 1 and .1 pct lows, I noticed much less stutter, it is paired with a 3070, and the kids all play fortnite and by far the intel system with the nvidia gpu runs fortnite much better than the Ryzen systems with a Radeon GPU which is what is in the other two systems. This is rather game specific though as the other PCs tend to trade blows. Thanks for the videos, I always enjoy them.
Do all intel 12 to 14 gen cpus got those marks where the mobo holds the cpu in place? I found some marks on mine, looks really used even tho I have just take it out a couple of times
This guy answers the question running on the minds of majority of low budget pc gamers, his channel should get a few million more subs. To this day though might as well get AM5 for majority of gamers who upgrades.
You can test raw performance with RPCS3 ps3 emulator. It needs really powerful cpu to run, specifically games like Uncharted 1 and Infamous 1, The Last Of Us (but I think it's a little redundant to emulate because it's more taxing for the pc than the actual remaster) and God of War 3 and Ascension. There are a couple more, but this are the more difficult to run (that I know).
I am surprised how close their performances are. I do wonder if there will come newer cheaper X3D 7000 series CPUs whenever 9000 series is well established just like 5000 series just got recently.
7700x, 32 gb ddr5, RX7900, on a Tuf MB with 4 TB o very fast SSD, For gaming I have the CPU limited to 65W, for aother tasks I have a 5.4 GHZ overclock
the clock speed is the defining variable in this match up. the i5 base is 2.5 and can be boosted to 4.4 while the ryzen has a base of 3.7 and boost of 5.0ghz even. making the amd cpu the higher performer. but I would still chose the i5. or spend the extra $50-$75 to get an i7. intel just seems more stable across the entire spectrum of applications. in my opinion
I would honestly just get the i5-14400F, it's around 190 bucks rn (so much cheaper than the 13400F & better) and sometimes can become 155 bucks with deal. And if you're lucky, you can find it cheaper locally second hand
AMD does clearance prices really well. My advice: Wait until Zen 4 is on clearance and then snap it up for cheaper. I did it with Zen 3 and it offers so much more value for money
The low power 12500T in oem pcs is a little weaker but has more cache and an iGPU, costing about the same as the i3 12/23/14th gen CPUs and is also pretty good.
Being a used tech guy, I would toss in the extra fiver for the R5 7600 although the 7500F can be found new with manufacturer's warranty. I know nothing about how intel series come about* and cannot get my head around why they seem to hate their buyers by making 500 chips in nonsense (to me) categories. I understand a b c d e f , you know linear grading. Same with my gpu. Keep it simple stupid is a solid way to grade cpu/mobo/gpu. Cheers for the video, only watched to see the 7500f live in hopes of upgrading our youngest' sons 4500. The 4500 has served him great as he is 5 and did not play cpu intensive games but he has moved to trying out building a game with Unreal 5 and will need something stronger for light editing and creation to back his 6700xt. I would just swap his rig over to a 4070 super if Nvidia had not gone off their rocker with pricing.
I'd probably get the Ryzen as that platform has a long way to go.
Just like threadripper gen 3. Oh wait
AMD has changed alot and I wouldn't be surprised if they were screw us over like that again in the future.
@@rodeWouww u're comparing threadripper to ryzen
Terrible comparison 😂
@@rodeWouwwdo you even know what you're talking about? 😂
@@rodeWouww you mean 8000G.
8000G CPU is weaker than the 7000 series
Bought a rig that has the 7500F, no regrets on that CPU! Pairs well with a RTX 4070 Super.
Yeah really nice combo :)
A 7500F and a 4070 super? That is a bottleneck. Do you guys not do any research before buying anything
@@arithmetic7105You probably basing that of 1080p they could be doing 1440p or 2k
@@arithmetic7105 what lol do YOU do any research before spreading misinformation on the internet
@@arithmetic7105 It isn't. The 7500 is near enough equal in performance to a 7600. The 7600 outperforms or is equal to a 5800X3D in games. It is nowhere near a bottleneck.
I run 12400f with rx 6600 for 1080p gaming. Its power efficient and performes very well too.
you dont say
same but with rx6500xt
rzr0015
You missed the whole point of the Video
he says you better overclock some old CPU, then buy a new model !!!!!
Overclock the F CPU, using DDR5 6000 mem ? on some cheap old DDR4 Board ???
@@lucasrem overclock almost does no matter
@@AntiGrieferGames Not true, look up 12400f overclocking. Almost ties with the 12600k.
A compare, I didn't knew I needed to watch... Thanks :)
*A comparison I didn't know I needed to watch. Thanks!
@@saultrevino9110 lol
This is why I love this channel. Just an hour ago I was looking for a video exactly like this! Love a channel for the average guy
Agreed, I'm tired of the oil baron comparisons of $1000 graphics cards and $500+ processors on motherboards that cost as much as my mortgage payment. Steve does an excellent job with hardware most folks can afford.
@@MoultrieGeek
The facts are that there are tech porn channels and real World channels. Most people are on older and or lower tier cards and computers. I wouldn't spend on the top of the line most up to date cards no matter how much money I had, unless I lived in the Arctic Circle where it'd double up as a space heater.
@@darthwiizius yeah agreed dont necessary need to buy latest and greatest graphics cards or cpus to run games all of the time but decent hardware makes sense like recent 12gen core i3 which is better or equal to 10th gen i5 paired with rtx 2080 ti more then enough for my standards especially in a country where i live is in inflation.
@@6kittys147
I think if you can afford to when you build a new computer it's best to start with an up to date platform so you have an extended upgrade path for your CPU, modern PCie interface, memory etc. I'm still on AM4, when I switched from my old Z70 4th gen i7 build I got a cheap deal on a used Zen 8 core so the net cost for switching was the cost of the new PCB, I replaced that with a budget Zen3 6 core a couple of years ago, which is a much better gaming chip. I'll probably change platform again next year and start with an entry level chip but fast RAM so I can just use that for the entire lifespan of the build.
Awesome video, like always!
I really wanted a new CPU, but didn't have the money to buy AM5, so I decided to go for a 5700x for only $150! In some games it's a huge difference coming from a 3600
A great choice!
great cpu, and you can upgrade to the 5700X3D or the 5800X3D later on, That's what I'm planning to do.
I went 3600>5700X as well, very much worth it!
@@death-knight4222 looks like I'm in the same boat, this are the parts in my shopping cart: Ryzen 5600, MSI B550-A PRO, 32 GB 3200MHz CL16 Corsair Vengeance, and ID-COOLING SE-214-XT ARGB, total = $327.96, the plan is to get a 5700X3D later and sell the 5600
Would it be good comming from a i5 9400f? For 1080p144hz, low settings fortnite
Am5 and ddr5 is too expensive
If ddr5 prices were better, the 7500f would be a great buy. The 12400f and b660 has aged very wel
Prices for DDR5 are actually great? You don't need 6000/30 32GB for a 7500F. Even if you did they are around $120/120€ which is a really good price for what is the current gen best RAM in the market. You can get 2x8 5600/30+ for around $70/70€ which will do fine with a CPU as low as this one.
I do agree that the 12400F/5600 are amazing for their price point. And I like the way this is moving forward... A 7500F is an even better CPU and it costs around the same. I hope the trend continues for the sake of us budget gamers!
@@dorayaki5494dont expect ddr5 prices to be "good" everywhere else bruh its terrible here
@@dorayaki5494 If you need 1080p in 2024, why not keep the old PC, why Ebay upgrades on lower levels ?
I think you forgot about 12400F that supports both DDR5 and DDR4.
@@dorayaki5494 The cheapest 6000/36/32gig costs 102€ and the cheapest 4000/18/32gig is 50€. You lose around 10% perfromance but save 50€. The 12400F costs 110€ while the 7500F costs 177€. And then there is the motherboard. Cheapest B650 mobo that can power the 7800X3D if needed with quality VRM is 112€ while the cheapest B760 with quality VRMS is 120€.
A DDR4 12400F system is way cheaper than the 7500F, atleast where i am.
I got a 12400 months ago, a decent cheap MB and super cheap 32GB DDR4, which I can still expand. I paired it with my old 3050 for some casual gaming and I use it for work every day (software development, several virtual machines running and more). An absolute beast of a budget PC. And since they kept launching compatible motherboards all the way up to the 14th gen, you actually have plenty of feature rich MB alternatives if that's a concern.
You bottleneck all I/O if you keep that on some old DDR4 board !
@@lucasrem Dude, stop spreading misinformations on him. Every users have their own rights to upgrade PCs and laptops and at least they're very happy and enjoy for using new upgrades. Also because some people didn't have much money to buy newest specs for big jump upgrade or other reasons, only one gap generations are still perfect at all.
@@lucasremSince 12400 can use both DDR4 and 5 it should be pretty easy to provide benchmarks which show/proof whatever you are talking about here.
@@lucasrem its very rare to see big improvement just from ram speed, like so far the only game i saw benefit from it is CP2077, other then that ddr4 does fine, by what you say i am bottlenecking as well as i use 2x8gb ddr4 3200mhz with i5 13600kf and rtx 4080
@@lucasrem dude, stop answering random crap on other's comments.
It's actually impressive how close 12400F is while the clock speed is over 1GHz lower
More impressive is Ryzen is cooler and draw less power
@@Mcjuanse04 Zen4(2022) is on the 5nm node, while Alder Lake(2021) is on 14nm.
If im not talking complete garbage, you can at least on the correct motherboard overclock the i5 12400(f) to the point where it sits above 5Ghz and performs like a 13600k. Only problem is power consumption, heat and efficiency go through the roof
Oh and there are barely any motherboards capable of overclocking the non-k CPUs
@@JanM2i think one of those boards is the demon MOTHERBOARD A.K.A ASRock B660M PG RIPTIDE. IMO if you want to overclock non K 12 gen cpu you should buy a dual tower hsf cooler or 240 mm aio + that thermalright contacts frame.
@@MadridistaFrierenI have a B760M PG Riptide which is about the same but ddr5. I used it for a while at 5.2 but I had to decrease to 5GHz because it was not that stable (at startup, not at full load)
I bought the 7500f a few weeks ago in a bundle with an MSI B650 board. It was the only chip available, 7600 and above all sold out already. Paired to 4070 Super in perfectly happy with the combination, it replaced an old Xeon 5690 and GTX 1060 3g. In retrospect no complaints for not being able to get a better chip.
Bro, I'm from Venezuela, could you give me that xeon combo? I would like to know what it is to play something.
The X5690 was used in the second PC I ever built lol the T3500 was such a good purchase for me for like a hundred dollars I got pretty good performance and with a 100 dollar graphics card during the GPU scalping pandemic I got a 4 GB GTX 770 EVGA SC I could play any game I wanted at medium to high settings back in 2020
The thing is 7500f is a great CPU that is also not too expensive but the problem is still the price of DDR5 RAM and motherboards. You basically save more than $100 if you go with DDR4. It might not sound like much but if you are making a budget build, it kinda is a lot.
Recently bought a 12400f to pair with an arc a770 LE and a cheap AliExpress b760 itx motherboard for a small portable gaming pc and so far it’s worked wonders. I’m exited to try out everything I can with the pairing
Why not kept the old GTX 1080 system ? better ????
@@lucasrem Well the Arc a770 is faster than the GTX 1080 ti and that graphics card is faster than its little brother the 1080 so yeah it's definitely better lol and with double the VRAM
The day i buy a 12400f you post this video, great timming 😊
reinaldoantonio7271
Old Ebay crab you meant, why not Pre build 13700 F, buy the RTX 4070 Super, get the rest for free !
cheap Ebay, or keep the old system, why upgrade old crab with crab ?
@@lucasrem What ?
@@lucasrem What ?
In Resolve, it's worth mentioning that the i5 would have incredible timeline performance, with x264/x265 footage, if you used one with the iGPU making it a far better option than the Ryzen. I care for more about how well it performs in the timeline than render times.
Can't lie, I expected a bigger difference in favour of the 7500f given the extra 1 GHz clock speed advantage it has. If I was buying today, I do think the 7500f might be a better choice for the AM5 upgrade path, but this was way closer than I expected!
Well. The power draw on ryzen 7500f is lower even though it run on 5ghz
Yeah, I was expecting a bigger difference as well.
Probably RAM limited. He doesn't say which DRR5 RAM 6000 he's using, but my guess would be it has pretty high latency and the timings aren't set properly.
Why you need it, what system u use now.
Why the old Ebay crab? Why not keep the old system ?
@@mikehawk6918 From his previous videos I can asume he uses the stupid 2x8 6000 cl36 kit, his Ryzen is super ram bottelneked. Awesome level of content he delivers here.
Happy with my 11400F paired with a 6950xt. Before anyone says it's a mismatch, I play exclusively on 4k meaning there is virtually no bottle neck. Won't be upgrading the cpu for a while.
Could be worth keeping an eye out if any used 11700s of something come up at a reasonable price though!
Baz 87100
Cheap GPU on a 65 Watt CPU, lol
Running GTA V, 300 FPS in 4k !
Old games only......
@@jonnyc429 But why old games in 4k, do you understand what he did here, keeping what you suggest ?
@@lucasrem I don't understand what you're talking about
@lucasrem not quite.
I can run cyberpunk on max settings with RT off at over 100fps. Also if you used your brain before commenting, or better yet, actually did some research, you'd know that power is unlocked on z590 motherboards so it goes beyond 65w.
if you slot that i5 into a B660 motherboard, you can unlock the power limit and that will have it beating out the 7500F. The 7500F is also not available to purchase according to pcpartpicker and ebay listings have it at $140 or higher. Whereas the i5 can be had for $110. So the $30 difference between the two, covers the cost for a decent cooler; PA120 or Hyper 212 for example.
The i5 is a no-brainer over the Ryzen...
12400f on 5.1ghz all core on b760 riptide ddr5 6000, what a monster :)
wait the b760 riptide can overclock?
oh i forgor that some b660 and b760 motherboards can overclock ;-;
12400f gang. Paired with a MSI b660m-a ddr4 and 32gb CL16 3200mhz
and whit a 1050ti
what gpu, hope its not a 1050 ti
@@rtx3060g6 2080 super.
@@josephlozano7792 gud
I m still rocking with my Ryzen 5 5600
Still very good
Same with pbo2 negative curve, still kicks a lot, albeit with my aging gtx1070. I can still rock on some AAA games with fsr2 1080p low-mid settings.
I'm still rocking my R5 2600 haha
@@jamsyt5731 yep :D
@@scrubsodium nice :D
Based on the performance from both CPU's, if you were looking for an entry level gaming rig (which is what this video was about) I would be choosing the Intel i5-12400F. The only game it really lost out to (compared to the Ryzen) was Cyberpunk, and if you're building an entry level system then you won't be using an RTX 4080 Super, in which case your GPU will be more limiting than your CPU. You can also use the much cheaper DDR4 RAM instead of DDR5 for the Intel platform, allowing you to get more RAM for your budget (even entry level gaming builds should have 32GB IMO). And let's not forget that you can upgrade from a 12400F all the way up to a 14900K or 14900KS.
You will be losing some perf with Intel if you go DDR4.HUB tested and got 7%(10 on 1% lows).And the upgrade to Granite Ridge X3D will be a bigger jump.
And you can go with 7800X3D and beyond if you choose AM5
@@naamadossantossilva4736 They don't care about performance, budgets are the only one they didn't want to lose it.
@@hungluongquoc9560 The problem is that in some countries, going am5 is way too expensive, even used parts. Generally would be cheaper going i512400+b660/h610+16gb ddr4. If we are talking about a budget build.
@@augusto6405not to mention soyo/maxsun vrm shielded h610m and b660 boards are cheap as hell in asian countries and could accept powerful CPUs such as 12700KF safely.
In Europe 12400f under 150€ and 7500f 190€. No, not comparable. And if iGPU will help in your productivity jobs it is a much better choice. 12600k for 230€ for example might be a real bargain for those who game and edit videos. You may also already have suitable DDR4 memory and then 12600k with a DDR4 motherboard will be even cheaper than 7500F set. I would go with 12600k for around 200 euros, even the upgrade path is quite extensive. All the way to the i9-14900k.
That is true, but that's not very fashionable.
7500F should be compared to i5 12600KF since they are more similar of their cost.
Bougth 12400f for 160 in june 2022, i'm pretty happy with this choice.
Not needing any GPU, keep it cheap !
Interesting to see the two get pretty similar results even though there’s roughly a two year gap between their releases, really shows how intel stepped up their game with alder lake.
That being said, I think it would’ve been interesting to test the i5 with ddr4 instead since it has the ability and would make more sense to use for a stricter budget.
The price bottom for used parts here is around 120€ for the 12400F and 170 for the 7500F, so I would easily go with the 12400F. Also the Fortnite result I would actually much prefer the significantly better lows on the i5 over 30 more fps after already having 300. It's a much more steady experience when the frame rate fluctuates less wildly and especially drops below 80fps are noticable.
You can also very easily get the processor with the iGPU (the 12400 or sometimes also 12500) and still get away even cheaper with a DDR4 LGA1700 Motherboard and DDR4 over those pricy AM5 boards and DDR5. The performance benefit just isn't there to justify the extra cost.
Those results seem odd to me.
The Ryzen 5 7600 is only a couple of % faster than the 7500f so theyre almost identical.
At the same time, the 7600 is according to pretty much and major reviewer I know around 10-15% faster than the 13(!)400f, 20-30% faster than the 12400f.
So actually, the difference between the 7500f and 12400f should be more like 20% on average at least
They are bad results, his Ryzen is very slow. In one of his previous videos he mentioned getting a stupid 2x8 6000 cl36 kit, his Ryzen is very likely super ram bottelneked.
Just got the Ryzen 5 7500F last week paired with RX 5600 XT, great experienced as of now and planning to upgrade the GPU in future
Really nice find in the wild. Good to see some CPUs in their natural habitat instead of computers for once.
With the lack of afordable options in AM5, can't find the 7500F available in amazon, so this are the parts in my shopping cart: Ryzen 5600, MSI B550-A PRO, 32 GB 3200MHz CL16 Corsair Vengeance, and ID-COOLING SE-214-XT ARGB, total = $327.96, with a Ryzen 7600 would be above $450 or 500
I went with Aliexpress 7500F for £125, Maxsun B650 £60 & 32GB 5600MHz £60, made a build video.
@@AlexHusTech My only option is amazon, and would ship the parts to latin america, is a very cheap shipping
Great video! I've been wanting someone to do this comparison for a long time. If only the Ryzen 8300G was not locked to OEM only. It would have been a great option for budget gamers to get on the AM5 socket.
The 7500F is still a great CPU for the money. Basically a 7600 but with no iGPU, which is fine for 90% of gamers.
True but I honestly can't find an R5 7500f for less than a i5 12600kf that is slightly faster so the price to performance ratio here isn't that relevant since the i5 12400f is significantly cheaper
Bought the 12400 when it came out. Also had a 5600x on a b550 mobo, both with ddr4 3600 cl18. I liked the i5 more than the ryzen. Lower power needs, less heat, overall faster. Now on a 12600k with b760 and this is still what I would choose over these two here, even over the 7600. The 12600k sometimes can be found under 180 euro new, even lower used. B660, b760 mobos also dropped in price. Not to mention ddr4 support. A nice b650 mobo is still 200 euro, and going am5 on a cheap mobo with future proofing in mind won't end up well.
Right now in the US the 7500f isn't available but the 7600 is and is %187. By comparison the 12400f is $110 and can get by with ram for about $50 less. $125 saved on the CPU and ram will get you a significant GPU upgrade for the price which will help with gaming and many professional applications. I would go with the Intel and tier up in dGPU.
Something wrong with your ryzen result, it should be a lot faster.
I saw your comparison between the 7500f vs 12400 and 12400 at 5.0ghz. There is no big difference, even though you should have used an external device to see the power consumption of the 12400 when overclocked.
@@augusto6405 CPU power draw was on screen during the tests
i got the 7500f with 4060 nice combo
Nice :)
I got the 6 with 9, also nice combo :P
@@TheTryingDutchman that's nice in 420 ways
best combo so far
BenchClips
Yeah, that RTX 4060 is there to pimp some old Office system, getting some frames on 1080p !
I can only find the R5 7500f at the price of 160 and the i5 12400f at 120 and the i5 12600kf at 160 and the i5 12600kf is a bit faster than the R5 7500f so if you're on a budget go for the i5 12400f if you can and the i5 12600kf or the R5 7500f is really just based on what your preferences are or if you're already on the LGA 1700 socket or the AM5 socket
12400F with a proper motherboard can be overclocked significantly, it's his biggest advantage: up to 20% performance uplift. It also benefits from the faster RAM... Ryzen 7500F is not really overclockable and only suffers with a ram speed over 6000mhz.
Though if you watch…like right at Black Friday sales in the USA, I picked up an i5 12600kf for $140 from Amazon. Got a z690 board that was open box for just under 100 and drop in 32gb of ram for around 50 bucks. Not a bad combo. Just saying if you watch you may get a deal on the better CPUs.
At this point the ryzen is probably worth the asking price. The 12400, I mean it’s not bad but I’d say if you have a little extra maybe try to get a 12500 or a 13400 with the e cores which may help a bit more. But if you are on an extreme budget the 12400 should still be decent.
I'd never buy an "F" skew personally - a tiny bit of extra cost is worth having an iGPU for troubleshooting - not to mention the ability to repurpose the CPU without requiring a dedicated GPU after you eventually upgrade your gaming rig.
Nice! Thanks for the video! I appreciate videos like this one!
Ok 👍 we get it AMD.
Ngl 12400f with a B660 board and good ddr4 ram alongside gddr6x 3060ti, is the best budget option rn!
Thank you for video. I rather buy Ryzen due to long term support am5 socket if I need to choose between. But there is two advantages on the 12400f side - there is cheaper MB available for socket 1700 even with ddr4 support (but in 2024 I will try to avoid new ddr4 builds) and some b660/760 boards with bclk overclocking for 12th gen CPU, like Asrock Reptide series. And with overclocking result will be better with 12th gen (you can choose 12100 or even Pentium g7400 to play with) when you hit 5+GHz then with overclocked Ryzen, even that 7500f gain maximum percentage of improvement in overclocking due to minimum frequencies of all Ryzen 7xxx parts.
I thought about upgrading my 5800x3d to a zen 4 7500f, but it's actually a downgrade apparently.
Good video as always mate 👍
why in your tests 7500F matches the 12400f and on HUB tests 7500F is 25% better then 13400f?
Yeah his data is straight up BS. A 12400 isn't bottlenecking a 4080 Super, let alone competing with a mid-high end Zen 4 7500F chip, is a tale tell sign that he's fluffing up numbers.
7500F all the way. Theres no point in buying into a dead platform like LGA1700
Can you please also do a productivity test? Like Premiere Pro playback and render, After effects playback and render, Da VInci playback and render. Thanks
Running a budget machine at present. I5 12400f, RTX 3050 8gb, 16gb 3200mhz DDR4 RAM.
Not a bad little machine. Runs Tekken 8 just fine. And my son is happy because he is getting 75-90 fps in RDR2 on high settings.
Building 7500f basically cost almost 2.5x than 12400f but has better upgradeability
The 12400f is 160 here, the 7500f is either 200 or like 220
Crazy how i5 12400/12400F is stil can keep up. So "AmDip" is real according to this vid?
in germany 12400f 50euro cheaper than ryzen 7500f
In Asia an many other regions too
Great vid mate.
Would be interesting to see the difference in power draw
12400F is more cheaper
+cheaper DDR4 RAM
AMD didn't even launch 7500F in my country 😭😂
Oh in that case definitely i5 😂
Which country?
GT 710 2GB DDR5 Vs. HD 630 (i3 7100 - 7th gen intel igpu)
Don’t have the 12400, but the 12600kf. Pretty happy with that. As a long time amd user, around 20 years, I went with Intel around Christmas for the first time. Part of the factor with socket am5 at least at the time was cost. I think they are getting better with it, but at that time I got the 12600kf for about $140, z690 board for about $100, and 32gb ddr4 3200 for around $50. So decently happy with that and I can upgrade to 14th gen Intel if needed. At the time I think for a comparable am5 rig you were talking about an extra $100 or so. So on a budget I went with Intel.
Have heard a lot of good on the 12400 though.
i'm using an i5 12400f running at 5ghz with a 3060ti, 2x8gb memory running at 3900mhz and it is amazing!
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So you have DDR5 7800 paired with an 12400f? Why and how? The CPU doesn't even support clocks that high.
@@mikehawk6918nope, i use ddr4 platform memory
Asrock b660m pg riptide and Trident z neo 2x8gb 3600mhz cl 16
@@mikehawk6918No, I'm using the DDR4 memory platform. Asrock b660m pg riptide pair with Trident z neo 2x8gb 3600mhz cl16
@@mikehawk6918ddr4 by the sounds of it
recetly upgraded from ryzen 5 3600 to i5 12400f and i have to say its awesome
Strange upgrade! You could get 5800x 3d or another am4 cpu switching to a Intel costs more money!
prices in my country kinda strange i sold my r5 with mobo for 170$ and bought i5 12th with h610m k for 220$ 5800x 3d cost 250$ in my country alone@@cftyckct
vikonemedia1
You kept the GTX 1080 too ?
not getting more frames ?
@@lucasrem i have gtx 1070 evga hybrid with 120aio from bottlenecking in pubg on very low setting now getting 200-300fps prob gonna upgrade to rx 5700xt or 6600 in future
Interesting, I thought the 7500F would be a bit faster, especially with a 4080 at 1080p. I'm guessing the DDR5 really helps the 12400F stretch its legs.
@decent_KH101 Yes, Steve explains he did this on purpose to compare the CPUs.
I chose the i5 12400 before Zen 4 came out in 2022. I got it for $130 and an AsRock B660-M to go with it for another $60. I got it after watching you use it to test with for a while and realized it was more than suitable and was an actual upgrade from my i7 8700K, not a side grade.
ccooanser
WHAT GPU U USE ?
gamers never care for a CPU, only the RTX 4090 people need > 65 Watt CPU, 140 Watt 14900 K etc !
But why the Ebay crab ? Who needs that ??????????
7500F is what the 5600 was for Zen 3; has the same cache as the 7600/7600x, built on the same architecture, uses a single CCD, and the only thing it lacks compared to its Zen 4 counterparts is an iGPU. Which was typically the “norm” for Ryzen CPUs aside from the -G SKUs that did have one, but at the expense of less cache, lower PCIe support, and having the power draw split between the cores & iGPU. Regardless I’m happy to see that the 7500F is about as good as it gets for being “entry level” for AM5. Personally I’ve been content with my 5600 running at 4.8Ghz all-core + 32GB DDR4-3200 CL14 + 3060 Ti (also OC’ed to around 2100-2140mhz when fully utilized). But I’ve been debating on whether I should just throw a 5800x3D into my existing system (after I get either a 6800 XT or 4070 Super soon) or upgrading to AM5 / LGA1700 (would be happy with a 12700K or 13700K when it comes to the latter). Since I’m kind of torn between wanting to get the most gaming performance as possible on the CPU side of things, but I’d also like to have something like one of the aforementioned i7s where they can typically handle even the most powerful GPUs with minimal bottleneck and they have those E-cores which make them capable for other tasks outside of just gaming. And even with them being “slower” than the P-cores, they have similar IPC to Skylake / Kaby Lake. So yeah lol, I’ve been very interested to see how a CPU that’s basically a much faster 11900K with 1 or 2 i5-7600Ks (based on whether I get a 12700K or 13700K) would perform.
Thank you for the video, Consider CS2 when testing CPUs
Nice vid as always Steve! 👍🏻 AMD all the way but the 12400 surprises me
Thanks!
Owning a i5 12400f with b660 motherboard and 32gb ddr4 Ram paired with a used rtx 3070.. as a long time investment i dont foresee upgrading in near future.. as many people saying its a dead platform, most budget gamers wont upgrade until cpu dies, or performance not upto the mark. I planned for upgrade to 14th gen i5 or i7 which will still work on my current mother board down the line after 4 to years later by then am5 will be at EoL. For new buyers If budget is a major constraint intel is a good choice, if budget is not a constraint then AMD am5 since ddr5 companents are very costly from where I come.
Great video, tending to switch to one of these. Which cpu cooler do you use man? Tnx alot
I got the 12400f dirt cheap second hand and overclocked it with the right motherboard. It's a no brainer for me.
Here in Australia the price for the 7500f is comparable with the 12600KF which would run circles around the ryzen chip
For a CPU the lows are way more important, so the 12400f to me is a clear winner, also it's significantly cheaper. But there isn't much of an upgrade path which is a drawback. I think I'd still get the 12400f though.
there's a huge upgrade path. you can go straight up to the 14900ks
@@mattburg94 no you don't understand. the option is there. so saying 12th Gen has no upgrade path is just ridiculous
@@mattburg94 It's not the same as someone going from a 7500f to a 7800x3d?
I just built a system in November using 12400F so obviously I would choose that but I am still using it paired with an RX 5600XT from my previous system and to be fair it still plays many games at 1440p at decent settings. Admittedly it struggles with Starfield even at 1080p even dropping the internal render resolution to 50%. Although I do wish that game had a full screen resolution setting rather than setting it to the desktop resolution in borderless fullscreen.
Just don't play starfield, it's an unoptimized heap of garbage. When they get around to patching it, like 3 years into the game's lifecycle, it will run smooth af.
@@lukafiremanbut by then the game itself would be looked upon as "wasnt actually that good".
If you use a Gen3 GPU, it might be interesting to try small increasing the BCLK a bit.
7500F (from Aliexpress $110), MSI B650-S, Radeon RX Vega56, BCLK103.37MHz, PCIE Gen3 Settings, VCore Offset-40mV, Global C-state:Disable, Spread Spectrum:Disable, CPU VRM Switchng Frequency: Fast, CurveOptimizer: -0-0-0-0-0-0, Hynix M-die DDR5-5600 2x16GB 1.10v Jedec Green PCB @Memory OC Try IT! [Profile DDR5-6000 CL32], Cinebench R20 Single:734 Multi:5830 *BCLK OC can also be executed on A620.
If you’re building a new system, I can’t see any reason to choose an Intel CPU unless you’re on a very tight budget and want to go with DDR4 memory. AM5 platform has future gen CPU upgrade possibilities, whereas LGA1700 doesn’t.
12400f + mobo and ram is $138 on aliexpress. That's the reason.
@@aboriginalmangyes, hence the “unless you’re on a tight budget” qualifier
no need to talk about future possibilities. youre not a kid.
Get to work for 6 months save some you buy new pc sell your current trash. boom
We’ll need a Random Gaming in UHD channel here soon with these recent higher end reviews 😅
I just got the 7500F 4 hours ago, youtube is spying on me?!?!? Nice to know that it's faster at rendering videos than the i5, at least from this test
It's like comparing a corpse with a living one. 12400 - dead. AM5 is the future. Despite the fact that the 7500 is even more powerful in stock, and it also has the ability to overclock/undervolt, not like the ridiculous 12400.
Also, more L3 on Ryzen, Intel's cheapskates can't even give that to the consumer
Question, the video editing results, is it with using GPU acceleration, or just the CPU for everything?
I'm driving a 7600x rn. I grabbed a few good deals over the holidays and I couldn't be happier on AM5. I do really hate Ryzen 7000's IHC tho. It sucks to apply thermal paste and worse to wipe off. I can see dealt with the same thing. lol,
The i5 12400F is my second favorite intel cpu
Ladioz
MS Office people all love it !
Just got 12400f for $130, upgraded from 12100f for $96 back in 2022, I think its more worthed upgrade than 13400f pair with my 6600xt
But if I build with all new components, I would prepare 7500F
I really like this segment of the market. My family doesn't need super high-end stuff to get what they need. A case in point is my wife's 12400/RTX3060TI/32GBDDR4-3600 based system. She can game pretty much everything she wants on it and it's great for Resolve and general productivity. She works remote for that Redmond megacorp and her 'battlestation' is more than enough for her daily work. I will probably upgrade her to a 14700 at some point if she complains about the performance but for now she seems to be perfectly content.
PaulLemars01
Family PC you need
Redmond megacorp company PC, can you upgrade it ?
Why see needs that ??????
Most people don't really need to upgrade every two years to play some games, but we need to keep buying new shine toys.
How does the ryzen 5 5600 compare with the intel 12400f?
they are about the same, the 12400 is closer to the 5600X though.
They are neck and neck. I built a 5600X and a 12400f system for my kids and it's very comparable a far as frame rates in games and overall performance.
5600 has low single core performance compared to 12400f on DDR5. But on DDR4 it's much same.
I don't have any experience with the Ryzen 7000 platform, but I have a couple Ryzen 5000 series in the house as well as a 12700 non K system in the kids room, I will say I don't have any issues with the Kids PC, they run everything under the sun pretty well, but I did upgrade from DDR4 to DDR5 on the 12700 and it made a little bit of a difference in the 1 and .1 pct lows, I noticed much less stutter, it is paired with a 3070, and the kids all play fortnite and by far the intel system with the nvidia gpu runs fortnite much better than the Ryzen systems with a Radeon GPU which is what is in the other two systems. This is rather game specific though as the other PCs tend to trade blows. Thanks for the videos, I always enjoy them.
Do all intel 12 to 14 gen cpus got those marks where the mobo holds the cpu in place? I found some marks on mine, looks really used even tho I have just take it out a couple of times
I needed this
Unfortunately the 12400F cannot leverage the excellent media encoders of the intel iGPU as it lacks the iGPU.
You'd probably be content with either of those.
They definitely trump my old i7-8700 😅
i7-8700 is comparable to a r5 3600/i5 10400 lol
@someguywithmtndew5691 correct, all 3 are similar, what gpu are you running?
@@someguywithmtndew5691 r5 3600? what a trash cpu
@@62185hhhrage bait
@@62185hhhYeah one of the best selling CPU is trash of course mate, do your research
This guy answers the question running on the minds of majority of low budget pc gamers, his channel should get a few million more subs. To this day though might as well get AM5 for majority of gamers who upgrades.
You can test raw performance with RPCS3 ps3 emulator. It needs really powerful cpu to run, specifically games like Uncharted 1 and Infamous 1, The Last Of Us (but I think it's a little redundant to emulate because it's more taxing for the pc than the actual remaster) and God of War 3 and Ascension. There are a couple more, but this are the more difficult to run (that I know).
I am surprised how close their performances are.
I do wonder if there will come newer cheaper X3D 7000 series CPUs whenever 9000 series is well established just like 5000 series just got recently.
7700x, 32 gb ddr5, RX7900, on a Tuf MB with 4 TB o very fast SSD, For gaming I have the CPU limited to 65W, for aother tasks I have a 5.4 GHZ overclock
Setting everything else aside, I'd be drawn toward the Ryzen because I've found the rectangular intel CPUs fiddlier to get consistent cooling with.
the clock speed is the defining variable in this match up. the i5 base is 2.5 and can be boosted to 4.4 while the ryzen has a base of 3.7 and boost of 5.0ghz even. making the amd cpu the higher performer. but I would still chose the i5. or spend the extra $50-$75 to get an i7. intel just seems more stable across the entire spectrum of applications. in my opinion
I would honestly just get the i5-14400F, it's around 190 bucks rn (so much cheaper than the 13400F & better) and sometimes can become 155 bucks with deal. And if you're lucky, you can find it cheaper locally second hand
the one thing intel has ahead of is cheaper MB and RAM. DDR4 and cheaper motherboards is worth considering if you're ok with a EOL socket.
That's why I bought the 7500f, with CO is basically a 7600, just cheaper. What a nice cpu
I would rather see the comparision of 7500f with the i5 14400f which is the actual competitor
AMD does clearance prices really well. My advice: Wait until Zen 4 is on clearance and then snap it up for cheaper. I did it with Zen 3 and it offers so much more value for money
I love my overclocked 12400 running @5200MHz (+30%)
I know board and cooling cost gets me a better combo ;-)
The low power 12500T in oem pcs is a little weaker but has more cache and an iGPU, costing about the same as the i3 12/23/14th gen CPUs and is also pretty good.
Being a used tech guy, I would toss in the extra fiver for the R5 7600 although the 7500F can be found new with manufacturer's warranty. I know nothing about how intel series come about* and cannot get my head around why they seem to hate their buyers by making 500 chips in nonsense (to me) categories. I understand a b c d e f , you know linear grading. Same with my gpu. Keep it simple stupid is a solid way to grade cpu/mobo/gpu.
Cheers for the video, only watched to see the 7500f live in hopes of upgrading our youngest' sons 4500. The 4500 has served him great as he is 5 and did not play cpu intensive games but he has moved to trying out building a game with Unreal 5 and will need something stronger for light editing and creation to back his 6700xt. I would just swap his rig over to a 4070 super if Nvidia had not gone off their rocker with pricing.
Intel simply superior :)
@@tilapiadave3234intel is pretty bad right now, 14th gen wasn’t an improvement & ryzen 7000 has future proofing with cheap motherboards now (finally)
@@tilapiadave3234 Wierd how most websites says AMD's Ryzen 7 7800X3D is the best gaming cpu huh?
@@tilapiadave3234 superior as a room heater that is 😂
@@gokay2delen636 Like AMD GPU's ,, lmao ,,
What we need to know is the i5 and ddr5 and see what difference that does.
Well, here, you can get 12400F for around $117, while 7500F is around $178. Not really a competition.