5:12 -- I definitely wish they'd kept the Kenneth Frequency scene in; Val's expressions are priceless. The way Bruce almost has this dismissive, smirking expression when Kenneth talks about "every nutcase" coming to Gotham with a grudge to settle against Batman, only to start staring intently when the impact of the anchor's words seep in and Bruce realizes how bad the escalation has become, is quite a powerful scene.
Amazing. Thank you for letting me know. I always wondered who the actor was as they aren't credited. I see from his imdb page he worked as a dialogue consultant on Phone Booth too.
This was my personal favourite version of Alfred, a proper British gentleman, who had the combined military background of a field-agent & field-medic, yet possessed the kind demeanor of a Saint. Rest in Peace dear Sir Michael Gough. Thank you for doing it right.
Yep, I like Caine, Irons and Pertwee but there's something special about Gough' s stiff upper lipped classic butler. I love that (especially in Forever and B&R) he's there as a sounding board for Bruce and Dick. Guiding them through their careers as vigilantes.
Joel was actually sitting there writing some good scenes that dealt with introspection and repressed trauma, then the studio executives just came in and were "NO! STOP THAT. WE NEED THIS TO BE CAMPY AND TO SELL TOYS!!"
@@integrity101 It follows the original script - meeting Nygma before the bank heist - and adds as much as possible back in. Don't think it cuts anything out. Even the silly bits.
Val Kilmer is great Bruce/Batman. He picked up where Keaton left off and RAN WITH IT! Sad the script would get more cartoonish and Kilmer would walk away..
He did a great job.. Sadly according to Schumacher Val was a total nightmare on set and they nearly came to blows.. This was common in the days of Val's younger career..
It’s amazing what Joker has done to Bruce leading into this film Batman Forever. Killing his parents unleashed a lot of hidden insecurities and trauma within Bruce. A lot has happened since Batman 1989 & Batman Returns came to their conclusions.
It’s a shame the scenes were omitted. I feel that if they were included, it would’ve balanced out the campiness of the villains performances, and added a lot of depth to Kilmer’s portrayal of Wayne/Batman
Yeah the Production Draft by Akiva Goldsman references Jack Napier and Selina Kyle. I think the intention was to link to the Burton movies much more originally.
the dialogue of bruce and alfred is so good,alfred telling bruce to try live a normal life,should be in the movie,and michael gough and val just amazing
@@1995Batman yep,for me the best things from the schumacher movies was that "father and son" relationship that bruce and alfred was most in batman & robin
Definitely interesting that Schumacher was pursuing the idea of escalation with Batman and the prospective villains long before Nolan did.. The idea that a masked crime fighter would bring in an even more dangerous level of criminal wanting to challenge him or heighten the stakes..
One day we will be able to see 170 minute final cut. I believe it will happen. Hopefully they can mix the soundtrack and the special effects well. Thank you for loading this video.
Michael Gough was a brilliant actor, powerful and heartfelt,without chewing up the scenery, he carried himself with nobility and sincerity in every scene, in every movie that I have ever seen him in. As alfred, he truly demonstrated a quiet, stalwart confident father figure, who was never afraid to call bruce out on his b.s.,with just the right amount of snarkiness. Of course this doesn't detract from other great actors that have portrayed alfred; such as sean pertwee(gotham), epfhram zimbalist(batman animated series,justice league), and michael caine (batman begins,dark knight, dark knight rises) they each carried the character very well, which goes to show how great the character really is, however, michael gough seemed to bring a level of humanity that showed a man who struggled and in a way failed to bring peace and hope to Bruce's torn soul.
@@1995Batman Yeah but much of this isn't your typical redundant or off-key scene that you cut for time. The only one that seems ridiculous is the one about the parlor (and even that fills in some plot holes), but the scenes exploring Bruce's trauma and his desire to quit being Batman, and his finding the truth about his parents' deaths, are basically the point of the film: they should NOT have been excised and were a suit plot to lighten up the film and sell more toys, no artistic reason whatsoever. Same thing for the Two-Face opening, cutting it because it is too scary...well, this IS Batman, it IS going to be dark. Damn shame. Hope some day the real cut will see the light of day. Superman 2's did!
It's like some of these are from a completely different movie that I would have much preferred to watch over what we got. Val Kilmer could have been the best Batman.
Yeah, I feel like Batman Forever does have two distinct tones - one serious, one comedy. I kinda of like that about the film though, that it's constantly jumping back and forth between the two tones. It keeps the film fresh.
@@1995Batman Val is a better Bruce Wayne by miles, Keaton was having too much fun, while Bruce Wayne is a VERY socially akward > traumatized person. Val nailed that.
That opening scene would have been much better, but NOOOO we had to have a "commercial tie-in scene" for the kids. Y'know, the film that has a crap ton of Chase lusting over Batman.
If WB want to realese another cut I'd love to see Joel Schumacher's full version of Batman Forever because from what I heard it's way better than the original one we got😏🤔
I wish they'd kept the retirement/who am I scene because watching the final cut it feels really jarring when he says he's quitting being Batman. A lot of these more serious scenes really show what a good Bruce Wayne Val Kilmer was, I really enjoyed his performance and feel like honestly he was underused. The giant bat animatronic was cool too, they should've kept that in because of the sheer effort that went into it. I do like the campy vibe of the final film but just think that a little bit of the more serious stuff would have made it great, and more memorable.
Yeah there's some good stuff in here. I love how Batman Forever was half serious/half silly. A little more of this serious stuff could have fit in I think.
I get the feeling a couple of these scenes were cut because they wanted to stick with the lighter more cartoony and fantastical style which is a shame. The idea of batman questioning if he should carry on being batman and being picked on by the media should have been left in, would have made it a more complex adult sort of film, actually interested in ideas not just fighting and cheesy lines.
It's different, in this universe with Joker dead his parents are avenged and his whole reason for becoming Batman but seeing as more costumed villains are coming because of him it's a valid question if he's doing more harm than good at this point. It's ironic this movie in 1995 talked about this before The Dark Knight even if it was cut.
@@Facade953 I don't know about McDonalds but Warner Brothers was VERY insistent Forever be more kid-friendly hence the hiring of Joel and was monitoring the production and credit was it's due it worked. It made a nice hefty profit for WB and everyone who got in on doing promotions for the movie including McDonalds. Those crystal glasses are still cool.
@@Facade953 So do I and these deleted scenes would've made it even better. I think this movie struck the right balance between dark and camp compared to Batman & Robin which went full-on camp even though I love it too. Joel's filmography shows he can do dark and serious stuff and had this universe continued Batman Unchained would've been the apology film.
Bruce saying Batman is his Enemy needed to be in the FILM. That is a great scene with Alfred and Bruce being told the truth. Great scene, would have been great in the film.
seriously some of these scenes were great. Totally should have been in the movie. But the news anchor's name was "Kenneth Frequency"? LOLL what a cheap laugh - reference to the REM song I assume. Would of been cooler if they used a character from the comics.
As someone who consumed a lot of Batman Forever media back in 1995, these scenes make both the SNES video game and the comic book adaptation make a lot more sense.
Wow! Those scenes make the movie quite different. Much more if how modern superhero Batman's are done. Yet this was twenty plus years sooner! They are finished scenes too, well lit and cut so seems that he wanted them in there. Great, thanks for posting!! 👌🖖
Yeah I think Joel wanted these put back in. He pushed for a director's cut when the Batman Anthology dvd set came out but WB said no. They really do subtly change the tone of the film. Not drastically but they make it feel a bit more substantial.
@@darthkurland Yeah it was the worst and most embarassing of the delted scenes, yet it explains why Riddler and Two-Face had so much free reign over the city. I suppose it could have been replaced with a different scene as that one was embarassing and cringeworthy. So basically remove the scene but the concept has to remain.
I'd keep it since the concept does explain why Batman didn't stop Two-Face and Riddler's crime spree. But I'd alter it so they don't make that joke at the end or show Batman running into an abandoned building with a green question mark spray painted on the wall instead. ❓
Warner Bros wanted to make the film more family friendly, Schumacher even wanted to do an adaptation of Batman Year 1 to apologize for Batman and Robin, but Warner Bros turned it down.
As much as I love Keaton in the role(s), this was a good Batman movie. Had they left the original cut, using some, if not all of this footage, this could have been a great Batman movie. Kilmer was a good pick to replace Keaton. They look similar in the cowl.
The only actor I can think of who would replace Michael Keaton as Batman is Gary Sinise. Val Kilmer on the other hand is meant to be his very own take on a rebooted Batman from the very start.
One exchange of dialogue that I would have included for the moment before Bruce enters the area with the giant bat would have played out like this: BRUCE: “What’s in there?” ALFRED: “Only what you take with you.” It would have been a reference to a scene from “The Empire Strikes Back.”
I had Empire strikes back vibes when I first saw this seen. Looks to be a homage without being on the nose. Nice you feel the same way about this scene.
I can see why the bat was removed from the film since this largely marketed to kids back then, but dang. That was a really cool visual if they cut it right after Bruce's tear started falling.
With or without these scenes I see the greatness in this movie. I see the adam west version, the Burton version. Bob kanes and frank miller's. Schumacher did go too heavy with his flamboyance but wow he was really close.
Why the fuck was this cut??? This woulda made the movie 100 times better and overshadowed alot of the camp that nearly ruined a decent film Yes this one was decent unlike the other one
3:22 "Wanna grab a Harley and go for a ride" sounds like a little bit of Jim Morrison showing through. The Lizard King reaching out across the veil of reality and through the doors of perception.
Two Face escape scene was the introduction and it looked like a horror movie scene, thats pretty much why they left it out of the final cut. In a way you can understand it they dont fit in the movie apart for devolpment but the visuals make the movie feel weird like a comedy then an action a drama and a horror movie. The hair dressing place scene had SCHUMACHER written all over it, also it looked like the 60s tv show.
7:32-11:16 the conversation between Bruce and Alfred, Bruce facing his fear and destiny as Batman are like reading pages ripped straight out of a Batman comic book, in other words it’s a perfect scene
To me, Danny Elfman’s themes defined this entire film series. Even though Tim Burton didn’t stay in the Director’s chair, Batman isn’t the same without that six-note motif by Danny Elfman.
These additional scenes show what this movie should have been. With a director capable of showing some restraint, less campy performances by the supporting cast and a plot that didn't involve a nonsensical mind-reading device, it would have been a really interesting take on Batman.
The deleted scene with Batman considering retirement- well….he’s spent most of his life helping others who couldn’t help themselves,he showed Gotham they Don’t have to be afraid of criminals anymore , plus…he became Batman because of his parents murder..But his parent’s death are avenged ( Jack nipper- the Joker 🃏 is Dead) , what else does he have left to prove ? …for anyone who reads this comment-do you think he’s done more than enough for Gotham and should retire??
I remember reading the novelization written by Alan Grant, before I watched the movie on VHS. I remember feeling confused, as the novel had all these scenes.
I've never cared what anyone said. I always loved Batman Forever. I'll admit it's not a perfect movie and I love it for personal reasons. It was the first Batman movie I saw in a theater back in 1995. I loved the look and atmosphere: the neon lights (I love neon), the tone, the sets, the vehicles, the style, the music. I thought Val Kilmer as Bruce Wayne was incredibly underrated. His Batman was fine...not outstanding, but not terrible at all. Jim Carrey as Riddler....well in 1995 there was Noone bigger than Jim Carrey and he was awesome (I'll concede that Robin Williams in a Tim Burton film would have been fascinating as well). Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face? Meh..... Nicole Kidman? Well, she was hot and that's all she needed to do. I'm dying for a Shumacher cut with the darker tone that this film clearly flirted with but couldn't commit to. I'm glad that 28 years later, we've had enough iterations of Batman so that the fanbase have a variety of options to choose as "THEIR" Batman and the hate has died down for other versions. Each iteration is largely viewed nowadays as having its place in history and no one is forced to like it, unlike back in the day when we had to take what we were given (we were lucky just to have one comic book movie every few years). Now there's more than enough to go around and enough for everyone to find and love their version. We who have been here since the beginning of comic book movies truly know how far we've come and that we really have reached the promised land that we never thought would be possible.
Criminals From All Over The World: BATMAN! GET YOUR ASS OUT HERE AND FACE US!!! Batfleck: Tell me, do you bleed? Criminals: Ehm...when did he get so tall and bulky and where are his rubber nipples? Batfleck: You...WILL!!!
SandmanGotBeer: Great observations, At 67yrs.old I’ve seen All the Bat-films & since He’s my Favorite of all time, I’ve Studied all of them many viewing, over the years. I find that I Liked them all for one reason or another(mostly because it’s Still the “bat”) Batman & Robin Clooney & O’Donald could have been a LOT better, but they looked Good in the Uniforms minus the “nipples” just not taken Seriously by Story or Legend! Keaton & Affleck remain my Favorite Live Action Movie Batmen, though Kilmer, Bale,& Pattinson Had a lot of “merit” to their Portrayal’s! Looking forward to when The Bat-Signal Lights the Gotham sky’s AGAIN.✌️🦇🦇🦇🦇
It's not surprising these scenes were cut out...that giant bat looks like a prop from the Halloween store. It's a shame because the scenes with Michael Gough's Alfred add depth and heart to the paper-thin plot.
This would have actually backfired in Batman: Dark Knight ( scrapped sequel ). Clooney's campy Batman would have lost the fear of criminals as well as the element of surprise. However, a series of murders commited by Man-Bat would have him re-established as the mysterious and violent vigilante he once was. The movie would return the franchise to it's dark roots and there were even thoughts about a later sequel with Clayface as the main villain. The idea for Dark Knight came up after Batman Unchained/Triumphant got scrapped.
3:09 is a great scene and 5:33 onward is quite the gem. I think it adds quite a lot, much of which even a lot of the fans still don't fully realise. That sad traumatic symbolism behind the cowl. Also, 9:44 what does the bit read between "Martha and I have our hearts set on .... ,so Bruce's cartoon will have to wait" ?
Hearts set on going to see ZORRO so Bruce's cartoon will have to wait. He realized he didn't get them killed and that they went to the movie because they wanted to see it, not him.
@@Johny40Se7en His parents took him to see a movie called "Zorro" at the movie theatre "Cinema" where they later were killed outside in front of young Bruce. He always blamed himself because he thought he made them take him to the movie yet it was the other way around so he forgave himself in this cut footage.
I was never a fan of Batman Forever, but using deleted scenes and cutting some of the sillier moments and also re-scoring some of the goofy soundtrack you could actually make a pretty good Batman flick out of it. The material is there.
Deleted Scenes Cast Val Kilmer: Batman/Bruce Wayne Tommy Lee Jones: Two-Face/Harvey Dent Chris O’Donnell: Robin/Dick Grayson Nicole Kidman: Dr. Chase Meridian Michael Gough: Alfred Pennyworth Philip Moon: Newscaster And Rene Aubojonois as “Dr. Burton”
Man-Bat Creature Fabrication and Special Makeup Effects by Rick Baker’s Cinnovation Studios Costume Design: Bob Ringwood & Ingrid Ferren Batsuit Fabrication: Ironhead Studios Production Design: Barbara Ling VFX Supervisor: John Dykstra Batman Created by Bob Kane & Bill Finger Story by Lee Batchler & Janet Scott Batchler Screenplay by Lee Batchler & Janet Scott Batchler and Akiva Goldsman Produced by Tim Burton & Peter MacGregor-Scott Directed by Joel Schumacher
I heard Akiva Goldsman (the original screen writer) talked with warner bros a while back about possibly bringing the directors cut to life, but the plans were put on hold due to warner merging with discovery. After seeing there's scenes I'm definitely curious to see how that would look
5:12 -- I definitely wish they'd kept the Kenneth Frequency scene in; Val's expressions are priceless. The way Bruce almost has this dismissive, smirking expression when Kenneth talks about "every nutcase" coming to Gotham with a grudge to settle against Batman, only to start staring intently when the impact of the anchor's words seep in and Bruce realizes how bad the escalation has become, is quite a powerful scene.
Yeah, it's a good scene. I know the Kenneth Frequency actor is a bit over the top but it's a good showcase for Val.
@@1995BatmanThat actor’s my husband, Merle Kessler. :)
Amazing. Thank you for letting me know. I always wondered who the actor was as they aren't credited. I see from his imdb page he worked as a dialogue consultant on Phone Booth too.
This was my personal favourite version of Alfred, a proper British gentleman, who had the combined military background of a field-agent & field-medic, yet possessed the kind demeanor of a Saint. Rest in Peace dear Sir Michael Gough. Thank you for doing it right.
Yep, I like Caine, Irons and Pertwee but there's something special about Gough' s stiff upper lipped classic butler. I love that (especially in Forever and B&R) he's there as a sounding board for Bruce and Dick. Guiding them through their careers as vigilantes.
well said !!!
Same here. I really enjoyed how they explored the emotional surrogate father/son relationship between him and Bruce in Batman and Robin.
Joel was actually sitting there writing some good scenes that dealt with introspection and repressed trauma, then the studio executives just came in and were "NO! STOP THAT. WE NEED THIS TO BE CAMPY AND TO SELL TOYS!!"
Val Kilmer is really underrated, especially as Bruce Wayne.
I think he has been the best live action movie Bruce Wayne. If only he had a better script and a director.
@@Aivottajagood to read I am not the only one thinking this
No he is not. He was garbage. As Batman and Bruce Wayne. Casting of that movie was absolutely awful
He was the best combo
@@Aivottaja lol stop it. Keaton has been and will always be the best batman and by association bruce
Most of this looks WAY better than any scenes in the theatrical release
No.
@@hyperboreen4854 it's an opinion. Have a nice day
I wouldn't say that. But Bruce standing in front of giant bat rising his arms looks great.
@@Tazio25 well we see it differently I guess. You DO REALIZE that the word better is an opinion, right?
Somebody should do a whole fan edit of Batman Forever adding these scenes in the movie.
It already exists. Look up Batman Forever Virtual Workprint.
@@integrity101 It follows the original script - meeting Nygma before the bank heist - and adds as much as possible back in. Don't think it cuts anything out. Even the silly bits.
@@1995Batman
Ok awesome. Any idea where a link is?
@@integrity101 First result on google search for "Batman Forever Virtual Workprint"
@@1995Batman
Thank you.
Batman Forever would’ve greatly benefited from some of these scenes
Yeah, check out the Virtual Workprint fan edit if you get a chance to see them spliced back into the film.
Val Kilmer is great Bruce/Batman. He picked up where Keaton left off and RAN WITH IT!
Sad the script would get more cartoonish and Kilmer would walk away..
Yep I really enjoyed his take on Bruce and Batman.
Think of it as a younger Bruce by 8-12 years or so. Kilmer is 8 years younger than Keaton. But Kilmer sure makes for a young Bruce..
I always believed the same could have been with George Clooney
He is a great Bruce Wayne, I say he is the best Bruce Wayne.
He did a great job.. Sadly according to Schumacher Val was a total nightmare on set and they nearly came to blows.. This was common in the days of Val's younger career..
Michael Gough was the quintessential alfred to series and fond memories of the ideal butler everyone wishes they have
100%
It’s amazing what Joker has done to Bruce leading into this film Batman Forever. Killing his parents unleashed a lot of hidden insecurities and trauma within Bruce. A lot has happened since Batman 1989 & Batman Returns came to their conclusions.
agreed.
Burton's films doesn't understand Batman like this movie lol and Kilmer is way better than Keaton lol.
Imagine a Schumacher-verse Joker,
he would look exactly like how he did in the Onstar Commercial.
Zach snyder justice league inspired from one of this deleted scene when two face escape from arkham asylum
Joe Chill killed Thomas/Martha Wayne.
Val Kilmer surprisingly turned out to be my favorite movie Batman, and the script actually has good moments, despite the villains being too campy.
Need a Director's Cut of this movie to honor the Director and to the cast and crew of Batman Forever
I think that Warner Bros knows by now that there’s still an audience for the film. Let’s just hope that the original film elements still exist.
"You're a killer too, and you know it" I wished they kept it in. It makes a lot of scence considering before he was just about revenge
Yeah it's shame that line got cut. I like that Two Face of all people is questioning Batman's moral compass.
yeah kinda reminds the joker - batman dynamic in tdk, pretty cool.
Don't let the "Batman don't kill crowd" hear that, might get them upset.
It’s a shame the scenes were omitted. I feel that if they were included, it would’ve balanced out the campiness of the villains performances, and added a lot of depth to Kilmer’s portrayal of Wayne/Batman
Scene 2 (Two Face Confrontation) feels like a call back to previous films and establishes a nice arch through line.
Yeah the Production Draft by Akiva Goldsman references Jack Napier and Selina Kyle. I think the intention was to link to the Burton movies much more originally.
@@1995Batman I wish that they had left those references in the finished film.
Why?
@@ilcanalediwillyas a way of reminding us of what had previously happened.
@@darthkurlandThe most direct reference is Chase Meridian referencing Catwoman's vinyl outfit and whip when trying to get with Batman
Some of these scenes could have made this film much better! Kilmer is a very underrated Batman!
the dialogue of bruce and alfred is so good,alfred telling bruce to try live a normal life,should be in the movie,and michael gough and val just amazing
Val and Michael were great together. As good as the Bruce Alfred stuff was in Batman & Robin, it would have been even better with those two.
@@1995Batman yep,for me the best things from the schumacher movies was that "father and son" relationship that bruce and alfred was most in batman & robin
Michael Gough was amazing in every single Batman movie he was in. Even in the otherwise atrocious Batman & Robin.
Definitely interesting that Schumacher was pursuing the idea of escalation with Batman and the prospective villains long before Nolan did.. The idea that a masked crime fighter would bring in an even more dangerous level of criminal wanting to challenge him or heighten the stakes..
One day we will be able to see 170 minute final cut. I believe it will happen. Hopefully they can mix the soundtrack and the special effects well. Thank you for loading this video.
Yep, hoping this video becomes obsolete soon.
Until they give us the official version, this will have to suffice.
Warner Bros did confirm that the extended version exists in their vaults.
Val Kilmer thought he was in a different movie and after he saw Batman Forever he never came back.
I always like that about Batman Forever. The Val and Chris bits are really serious. The Tommy and Jim stuff is really silly. The film has two tones.
@@1995Batman Yeh, but in the comics it is too similar, so you can say that as an adaptation everything is very well represented.
These scenes would add a lot more psychological depth too this movie and improve it. Makes you wonder if they had even more to shoot.
Michael Gough was a brilliant actor, powerful and heartfelt,without chewing up the scenery, he carried himself with nobility and sincerity in every scene, in every movie that I have ever seen him in. As alfred, he truly demonstrated a quiet, stalwart confident father figure, who was never afraid to call bruce out on his b.s.,with just the right amount of snarkiness. Of course this doesn't detract from other great actors that have portrayed alfred; such as sean pertwee(gotham), epfhram zimbalist(batman animated series,justice league), and michael caine (batman begins,dark knight, dark knight rises) they each carried the character very well, which goes to show how great the character really is, however, michael gough seemed to bring a level of humanity that showed a man who struggled and in a way failed to bring peace and hope to Bruce's torn soul.
Val Kilmer hell of a Batman
Batman Forever would have been great if they had left this 151-minute version as part of the final product for display in theatres.
Eh, I think Batman Forever IS great. Some of these scenes are good but stuff gets cut for a reason. The pacing of a movie us really important.
@@1995Batman I still think that Joel Schumacher’s extended cut should be shown to the fans. If nothing else, as a tribute to Joel.
@@1995Batman Yeah but much of this isn't your typical redundant or off-key scene that you cut for time. The only one that seems ridiculous is the one about the parlor (and even that fills in some plot holes), but the scenes exploring Bruce's trauma and his desire to quit being Batman, and his finding the truth about his parents' deaths, are basically the point of the film: they should NOT have been excised and were a suit plot to lighten up the film and sell more toys, no artistic reason whatsoever. Same thing for the Two-Face opening, cutting it because it is too scary...well, this IS Batman, it IS going to be dark. Damn shame. Hope some day the real cut will see the light of day. Superman 2's did!
@@darthkurland Like the Donner Cut of Superman 2, something for the fans to appreciate that can give WB more money, win/win.
@@1995Batman The original is great yes, but these scenes would have made it so much better.
It's like some of these are from a completely different movie that I would have much preferred to watch over what we got. Val Kilmer could have been the best Batman.
Yeah, I feel like Batman Forever does have two distinct tones - one serious, one comedy. I kinda of like that about the film though, that it's constantly jumping back and forth between the two tones. It keeps the film fresh.
@@1995Batman Batman forever is the best Batman movie. People loved it back then. They just forgot.
If wb wouldent have gotten to much invold in this movie Batman Forever would have been a better movie
Can you imagine Michael Gough posing the retirement question to Keaton in a third film? How fascinating would that be?
Yeah I love Val but it is a shame Keaton left. He and Gough had great chemistry.
@@1995Batman Val is a better Bruce Wayne by miles, Keaton was having too much fun, while Bruce Wayne is a VERY socially akward > traumatized person. Val nailed that.
They gave Val far more character as Bruce Wayne in this movie. He made it his own. And his Batman is pretty great too
tbf Bob Kane thought Val was the best Batman he's ever seen for that time
That opening scene would have been much better, but NOOOO we had to have a "commercial tie-in scene" for the kids. Y'know, the film that has a crap ton of Chase lusting over Batman.
Val Kilmer did a great job for the role of Batman/ Bruce Wayne
Yes
Michael Keaton left some pretty big Bat-Boots to fill, but it looks like Val was up for the challenge.
If WB want to realese another cut I'd love to see Joel Schumacher's full version of Batman Forever because from what I heard it's way better than the original one we got😏🤔
Even if it's not better I'd still love to see what the original cut looked like.
@@1995Batman Agreed
@@optimascrime5235 Have a look at my other video about what's in the Schumacher Cur ua-cam.com/video/cj-WUqz_jHo/v-deo.html
I wish they'd kept the retirement/who am I scene because watching the final cut it feels really jarring when he says he's quitting being Batman. A lot of these more serious scenes really show what a good Bruce Wayne Val Kilmer was, I really enjoyed his performance and feel like honestly he was underused. The giant bat animatronic was cool too, they should've kept that in because of the sheer effort that went into it.
I do like the campy vibe of the final film but just think that a little bit of the more serious stuff would have made it great, and more memorable.
Yeah there's some good stuff in here. I love how Batman Forever was half serious/half silly. A little more of this serious stuff could have fit in I think.
I get the feeling a couple of these scenes were cut because they wanted to stick with the lighter more cartoony and fantastical style which is a shame. The idea of batman questioning if he should carry on being batman and being picked on by the media should have been left in, would have made it a more complex adult sort of film, actually interested in ideas not just fighting and cheesy lines.
It's different, in this universe with Joker dead his parents are avenged and his whole reason for becoming Batman but seeing as more costumed villains are coming because of him it's a valid question if he's doing more harm than good at this point. It's ironic this movie in 1995 talked about this before The Dark Knight even if it was cut.
After the backlash caused by Batman Returns, McDonalds was actually monitoring them and had the last word.🙄
@@Facade953 I don't know about McDonalds but Warner Brothers was VERY insistent Forever be more kid-friendly hence the hiring of Joel and was monitoring the production and credit was it's due it worked. It made a nice hefty profit for WB and everyone who got in on doing promotions for the movie including McDonalds.
Those crystal glasses are still cool.
@@muigokublack6487 I've always liked the fact that it had a great balance of darkness and campiness.
@@Facade953 So do I and these deleted scenes would've made it even better. I think this movie struck the right balance between dark and camp compared to Batman & Robin which went full-on camp even though I love it too. Joel's filmography shows he can do dark and serious stuff and had this universe continued Batman Unchained would've been the apology film.
Bruce saying Batman is his Enemy needed to be in the FILM. That is a great scene with Alfred and Bruce being told the truth. Great scene, would have been great in the film.
We need the directors cut of Batman Forever now
Those scenes changes a lot about his movie it's even better
seriously some of these scenes were great. Totally should have been in the movie. But the news anchor's name was "Kenneth Frequency"? LOLL what a cheap laugh - reference to the REM song I assume. Would of been cooler if they used a character from the comics.
we might be close to getting it
@sunsetman22 Did I miss some news?
This edit is incredible! Now I feel like I actually know what the artists behind this movie wanted it to be.
I was looking for the deleted scenes to do exactly this, not gonna anymore, but this is an amazing video!
Thanks. Credit has to go to Josh Jensen who created the Virtual Workprint that these are taken from.
As someone who consumed a lot of Batman Forever media back in 1995, these scenes make both the SNES video game and the comic book adaptation make a lot more sense.
Yeah in the Arcade Game you actually fight the Giant Bat as an end of level boss!
The first level of the SNES game is Arkham Asylum. The final room is Harvey's cell, complete with giant ceiling fan.
Val Kilmer looked amazing in his prime!!!
Wow! Those scenes make the movie quite different. Much more if how modern superhero Batman's are done. Yet this was twenty plus years sooner! They are finished scenes too, well lit and cut so seems that he wanted them in there. Great, thanks for posting!! 👌🖖
Yeah I think Joel wanted these put back in. He pushed for a director's cut when the Batman Anthology dvd set came out but WB said no. They really do subtly change the tone of the film. Not drastically but they make it feel a bit more substantial.
You sir are amazing! Thank you for doing this!
Remember seeing this movie in theatres! Val did a damn good job and Jim Carrey was an awesome Riddler. Killer soundtrack also!
Yeah I think that barber scene really should remain a deleted scene regardless of different movie cuts lol
Yeah it's my least favourite of all the deleted scenes.
@@1995Batman Yes, I agree. I think everyone can agree that that scene should remain deleted.
@@acon2253 that scene should remain on the cutting room floor.
@@darthkurland Yeah it was the worst and most embarassing of the delted scenes, yet it explains why Riddler and Two-Face had so much free reign over the city. I suppose it could have been replaced with a different scene as that one was embarassing and cringeworthy. So basically remove the scene but the concept has to remain.
I'd keep it since the concept does explain why Batman didn't stop Two-Face and Riddler's crime spree. But I'd alter it so they don't make that joke at the end or show Batman running into an abandoned building with a green question mark spray painted on the wall instead. ❓
i get it some of these scenes were a bit too long but i think it couldve been cut down a bit to slip it in
Yeah I can kind of see how they'd alter the pacing of the movie. Particularly the giant Bat scene. It’s an odd way to start the climax of the movie.
These should of all been in the movie. Would of made it greater.
Warner Bros wanted to make the film more family friendly, Schumacher even wanted to do an adaptation of Batman Year 1 to apologize for Batman and Robin, but Warner Bros turned it down.
@3:05 There is absolutely no excuse why this amazing scene between Bruce and Dick should have been cut out!! No excuse...
As much as I love Keaton in the role(s), this was a good Batman movie. Had they left the original cut, using some, if not all of this footage, this could have been a great Batman movie. Kilmer was a good pick to replace Keaton. They look similar in the cowl.
The only actor I can think of who would replace Michael Keaton as Batman is Gary Sinise.
Val Kilmer on the other hand is meant to be his very own take on a rebooted Batman from the very start.
I thought it was good minus the goofyness
One exchange of dialogue that I would have included for the moment before Bruce enters the area with the giant bat would have played out like this:
BRUCE: “What’s in there?”
ALFRED: “Only what you take with you.”
It would have been a reference to a scene from “The Empire Strikes Back.”
Ha. Yes. Love it.
I had Empire strikes back vibes when I first saw this seen. Looks to be a homage without being on the nose. Nice you feel the same way about this scene.
This scenes would have pivoted Batman Forever to a whole new game!!
I can see why the bat was removed from the film since this largely marketed to kids back then, but dang. That was a really cool visual if they cut it right after Bruce's tear started falling.
Excellent job! This is BADASS!
With or without these scenes I see the greatness in this movie. I see the adam west version, the Burton version. Bob kanes and frank miller's. Schumacher did go too heavy with his flamboyance but wow he was really close.
I'm with you, there's some greatness in here.
“Wanna grab a Harley and go for a ride?” - Harley Quinn be like 😎
Those were some fascinating scenes they removed.
Why the fuck was this cut??? This woulda made the movie 100 times better and overshadowed alot of the camp that nearly ruined a decent film
Yes this one was decent unlike the other one
Never been in love Bruce? What about Vicki vale? Selina Kyle? Remember them?
Nah both those cases were lust not love. Chase loved both Bruce AND Batman.
@@1995Batman even if they met again it wouldn't work out.
@@1995BatmanEspecially Selina/Catwoman. Bruce didn't even have sex with Selina and the scene with Vicki wasn't shown..
THESE 12 MINUTES
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NO FOURTH MOVIE
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GREAT TRILOGY
3:22 "Wanna grab a Harley and go for a ride" sounds like a little bit of Jim Morrison showing through. The Lizard King reaching out across the veil of reality and through the doors of perception.
#ReleasetheSchumacherCut Directors cut we know it exists.
Val didn’t event try to get in shape for this role. But that pole kick was still lethal 😂
awesome batman forever [1995] film unseen 1 - the deleted scene - (with music and sfx ) !!!
Two Face escape scene was the introduction and it looked like a horror movie scene, thats pretty much why they left it out of the final cut. In a way you can understand it they dont fit in the movie apart for devolpment but the visuals make the movie feel weird like a comedy then an action a drama and a horror movie. The hair dressing place scene had SCHUMACHER written all over it, also it looked like the 60s tv show.
7:32-11:16 the conversation between Bruce and Alfred, Bruce facing his fear and destiny as Batman are like reading pages ripped straight out of a Batman comic book, in other words it’s a perfect scene
100% love how full on comic book-y this movie goes.
OMG! The movie could have lived up to the first 2! It could have been great and not just good.
Thank you for posting these things
You're welcome
I always loved that running at the end.
Batman Forever:
The only cinematic adaptation made by a filmmaker who is not jaded, shallow or uninspired enough to leave Robin out of it.
I just love the THEME of BATMAN FOREVER!!!
Music theme or script theme?
@@1995Batman The music that played in intro and the ending. I thought it was another fantastic score from John William's Superman.
What a somwehat great twist if he really meet a Man-bat in his batcave and they both see themselves as similar.
miss the 90's. the last great decade... on the western side of the world obviously.
For now one day change will come for the better before that dies and the cycle repeats
We need a Director's cut of this movie!
Include these scenes in the movie and I think it’ll boost it to a great show
Watch the Virtual Workprint fan edit. It has all these scenes added seamlessly.
Image Restoration: Warner Bros. MPI
Additional VFX: Framestore, Cinesite, FXTC Digital & Image “G”
One other thing that I would include.
Music by Elliot Goldenthal
Original Themes Composed by Danny Elfman
To me, Danny Elfman’s themes defined this entire film series. Even though Tim Burton didn’t stay in the Director’s chair, Batman isn’t the same without that six-note motif by Danny Elfman.
That bat scene was good. They should have kept it.
Agreed, it's such a great visual.
These additional scenes show what this movie should have been. With a director capable of showing some restraint, less campy performances by the supporting cast and a plot that didn't involve a nonsensical mind-reading device, it would have been a really interesting take on Batman.
The deleted scene with Batman considering retirement- well….he’s spent most of his life helping others who couldn’t help themselves,he showed Gotham they Don’t have to be afraid of criminals anymore , plus…he became Batman because of his parents murder..But his parent’s death are avenged ( Jack nipper- the Joker 🃏 is Dead) , what else does he have left to prove ? …for anyone who reads this comment-do you think he’s done more than enough for Gotham and should retire??
I remember reading the novelization written by Alan Grant, before I watched the movie on VHS. I remember feeling confused, as the novel had all these scenes.
Warner realese Director's Cut of this movie to honor the Director
I've never cared what anyone said. I always loved Batman Forever. I'll admit it's not a perfect movie and I love it for personal reasons. It was the first Batman movie I saw in a theater back in 1995. I loved the look and atmosphere: the neon lights (I love neon), the tone, the sets, the vehicles, the style, the music. I thought Val Kilmer as Bruce Wayne was incredibly underrated. His Batman was fine...not outstanding, but not terrible at all. Jim Carrey as Riddler....well in 1995 there was Noone bigger than Jim Carrey and he was awesome (I'll concede that Robin Williams in a Tim Burton film would have been fascinating as well). Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face? Meh..... Nicole Kidman? Well, she was hot and that's all she needed to do.
I'm dying for a Shumacher cut with the darker tone that this film clearly flirted with but couldn't commit to.
I'm glad that 28 years later, we've had enough iterations of Batman so that the fanbase have a variety of options to choose as "THEIR" Batman and the hate has died down for other versions. Each iteration is largely viewed nowadays as having its place in history and no one is forced to like it, unlike back in the day when we had to take what we were given (we were lucky just to have one comic book movie every few years). Now there's more than enough to go around and enough for everyone to find and love their version. We who have been here since the beginning of comic book movies truly know how far we've come and that we really have reached the promised land that we never thought would be possible.
I think its great.
Why did they cut these scenes, these really help explain so much of the reasons why Batman decides to temporarily quit in the movie.
IM TELLING YA MAN…A GIANT BAT
Listen Knox, don't go publishing this c**p
@@1995Batman it will ruin your already useless reputation
This is phenomenal great video. I wish they added some scene in the movie
5:30 What's the frequency, Kenneth Frequency?
Criminals From All Over The World: BATMAN! GET YOUR ASS OUT HERE AND FACE US!!!
Batfleck: Tell me, do you bleed?
Criminals: Ehm...when did he get so tall and bulky and where are his rubber nipples?
Batfleck: You...WILL!!!
SandmanGotBeer: Great observations, At 67yrs.old I’ve seen All the Bat-films & since He’s my Favorite of all time, I’ve Studied all of them many viewing, over the years. I find that I Liked them all for one reason or another(mostly because it’s Still the “bat”) Batman & Robin Clooney & O’Donald could have been a LOT better, but they looked Good in the Uniforms minus the “nipples” just not taken Seriously by Story or Legend! Keaton & Affleck remain my Favorite Live Action Movie Batmen, though Kilmer, Bale,& Pattinson Had a lot of “merit” to their Portrayal’s! Looking forward to when The Bat-Signal Lights the Gotham sky’s AGAIN.✌️🦇🦇🦇🦇
That Bat scene was terrifying. Definitely cut that out bc it was too frightening
It's not surprising these scenes were cut out...that giant bat looks like a prop from the Halloween store. It's a shame because the scenes with Michael Gough's Alfred add depth and heart to the paper-thin plot.
Some of these were really good and add complexity and intrigue to the movie but the McDonald's executives were obviously not wanting any of that.
By confronting his demons he was able to level up and become George Clooney and move on to a camper take on the caped crusader.
Yeah I think that was the idea Joel was going for.
This would have actually backfired in Batman: Dark Knight ( scrapped sequel ). Clooney's campy Batman would have lost the fear of criminals as well as the element of surprise. However, a series of murders commited by Man-Bat would have him re-established as the mysterious and violent vigilante he once was. The movie would return the franchise to it's dark roots and there were even thoughts about a later sequel with Clayface as the main villain. The idea for Dark Knight came up after Batman Unchained/Triumphant got scrapped.
once again hollywood producers and executives demonstrate they don't know jackshit about good filmmaking
3:09 is a great scene and 5:33 onward is quite the gem. I think it adds quite a lot, much of which even a lot of the fans still don't fully realise. That sad traumatic symbolism behind the cowl.
Also, 9:44 what does the bit read between "Martha and I have our hearts set on .... ,so
Bruce's cartoon will have to wait" ?
Hearts set on going to see ZORRO so Bruce's cartoon will have to wait. He realized he didn't get them killed and that they went to the movie because they wanted to see it, not him.
@@Anathemata Ah right, thank you. Who or what is ZORRO, the cinema?
@@Johny40Se7en His parents took him to see a movie called "Zorro" at the movie theatre "Cinema" where they later were killed outside in front of young Bruce. He always blamed himself because he thought he made them take him to the movie yet it was the other way around so he forgave himself in this cut footage.
@@Anathemata Ah, Zorro the film, I see =P
I thought the cinema was called Zorro. Because it read that Bruce wanted to see a cartoon.
Anyway, cheers.
I was never a fan of Batman Forever, but using deleted scenes and cutting some of the sillier moments and also re-scoring some of the goofy soundtrack you could actually make a pretty good Batman flick out of it. The material is there.
Yeah it's not a totally different movie but it's a bit more serious.
I'd be okay if it's a longer Seal "Kiss from a Rose on the Grave." Where we can sing along to, I legit love that song.
With the lyrics underneath like a karaoke 👍
I think Waze needs a “Crime In Progress” notification like Batman benefited from.
They should have left those scenes in, especially Harvey’s escape and Bruce facing his fears. That would have made the story way better!!
Why oh why didn't they leave in the scene with the giant bat, it would have added so much more depth to the movie!
Why the scene between him and Alfred discussing who he is was cut I’ll never understand.
Too deep for studio execs. These are the same people that watched 'Man of Steel' and asked how Superman was going to get back home to Krypton?
@mainstreetsaint36 I forgot about that
Wow. For some reason I thought George Clooney was Bruce in both Batman movies.
Deleted Scenes Cast
Val Kilmer: Batman/Bruce Wayne
Tommy Lee Jones: Two-Face/Harvey Dent
Chris O’Donnell: Robin/Dick Grayson
Nicole Kidman: Dr. Chase Meridian
Michael Gough: Alfred Pennyworth
Philip Moon: Newscaster
And
Rene Aubojonois as “Dr. Burton”
Man-Bat Creature Fabrication and Special Makeup Effects by Rick Baker’s Cinnovation Studios
Costume Design: Bob Ringwood & Ingrid Ferren
Batsuit Fabrication: Ironhead Studios
Production Design: Barbara Ling
VFX Supervisor: John Dykstra
Batman Created by Bob Kane & Bill Finger
Story by Lee Batchler & Janet Scott Batchler
Screenplay by Lee Batchler & Janet Scott Batchler and Akiva Goldsman
Produced by Tim Burton & Peter MacGregor-Scott
Directed by Joel Schumacher
Philip Moon! Thank you, always wondered who that was.
I love this version of the Secret of the Batcave. Most versions put Batdammerung as the music, which imo doesn't work at all.
Yeah the music is really well done. The scene just about works but could really do with a VO of Val Kilmer reading the diary entry.
I heard Akiva Goldsman (the original screen writer) talked with warner bros a while back about possibly bringing the directors cut to life, but the plans were put on hold due to warner merging with discovery.
After seeing there's scenes I'm definitely curious to see how that would look
Yes, I just saw that. That's awesome news that he's been trying behind the scenes.
All these scenes could have been in the film bruh