Imaginarium Theater - Honest First Impressions - Genshin Impact
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
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The new endgame gameplay mode, Imaginarium Theatre is finally here in Genshin Impact. I go over my first clear, some tips and tricks, my first impressions, and more!
0:00 | Overview and Building Characters
2:41 | Trial Character Run
10:57 | Rewards, Advice, and My Opinion
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Just a copy paste of someone's comment that really hit the nail.
This game mode is easy enough for older players and restrictive enough for newer players that both sides will end up hating it with no resolution in sight. peak game design
It’s endgame it’s not for noobs. This is why genshin can never be as good as HSR the players are so dumb they think they should be able to do endgame with a starter team
@@doomslayer8025problem is it’s so easy you would think it is for beginners
@@doomslayer8025if you're talking about SU and DU, those are not even endgame, you just need to repeat them until you get the successful attempt and there's no need for build optimization OUTSIDE of those game modes since 95% of your power comes from blessings and ítems exclusive to those scenarios. The actual true endgame in HSR are MoC, PF and AS, and those modes (specially the last two) are so focused on giving heavy advantage for specific characters and mechanics that proves hoyo's overall design on endgame is just bad and not enjoyable. It's not "hard" enough, but it's restrictive enough for players to feel frustration
@@franzjackson7625 it’s a gacha game play a real game if you want real endgame
@@electrofreak1041 gold and gears swarm disaster and DU all have level 5 and bd game modes thanks for proving you don’t play the game
7:14 No, you don't need the star thingies, they are only bragging rights. You just need to reach the end to get all rewards.
challenge yourself ❌ bragging rights ✅
Yeah, that's what happened to me too. They made it even easier to collect the rewards. So if you don't have a lot of characters built. Just throw whatever you have together, throw on some leftover artifacts, and just complete it without worrying about anything. 😈
@@kiseace Haha, I guess you can see it like that too. Also, hooray! I got pinned.
IT IS FOR PVP PURPOSE
I didnt know that lmao retried for 8 stars
You can already tell he's serious when there's not a single bad joke in the intro
i'd say "unimpressed" more than " serious", but yeah. Agreed
I think he undersold Imaginarium Theatre. Imagine going into this event, spending hours building the characters, knowing all the mechanics, knowing how to deal with all the enemies, and then saying "gg ez" when like 95% of the players will find some challenge with the event, and then writing it off as boring. I guess this is the life of a youtube content creator. Why not think about putting yourself in the shoes of accounts that haven't had 3 years to prepare, instead of brushing it off as "people under AR 35" like wtf these people don't even farm artifacts dungeons yet.
it's hard to be existed when he's in the content creator program and the server 100% had this open for them while trying the new Clorinde and sigewinne before their release. plus this is like the combination of 3 events so nothing new was added. just mashed together into one game mode.
Well, I mostly agree with you, although I am looking at a few Guides like this one _(not sure it counts)_ as I'm preparing my Char Selection & will then see if I have to adjust it depending on if I can Build them all with my current Artifacts, *so I have yet to try the actual Event* _(but Sevy from SevyPlays made an amazing Guide that's well worth checking out! The only Info that she has missed it seems is that, since I saw IWTL's Alternate Cast Char Choices on his 2nd Run, and that it did include Wriothesley, Baizhu AND Sigewinne, she failed to mention that the Special Guests Characters aren't Friends' Invite Only but that you seem to be able to supply your Own Chars for these 4 Exceptions to the Elements Constraint!),_ so that Fact should be taken into consideration when reading my Opinions, although at this Point, going through the Imaginarium Theater is just a formality...
So, while I DO agree with you, mostly, IWTL actually DID use all the Trial Characters for the Main Cast, and tried to choose all 4 Star Options for the rest... So he *did* go into it doing everything he could not to use the Advantage his Whale C6R5 on all 5 Stars Account provides. Having 4★ Chars at C6 is quite Trivial if you've been playing for a little while, save for a few rarer Chars such as C6 Faruzan, Sethos (although he doesn't bring anything New so it doesn't matter), same for Gaming (got him at C5, but he's easily replaceable), and holds especially true for C6 Chevreuse, which is a Game Changer...
But in the end, I agree. IWTL has undersold the Event, and that's quite understandable nowadays, since it's been obvious for a long time that his interest for Genshin is more than waning...
For devoted players, it's a very welcome Change, as even for Accounts like mine _(I like to Collect Characters, missing only Venti & Xiao, so I have quite the large Roster to choose from!),_ the fact that you've got to Build and Equip up to 18 Characters still represents a Challenge!
However, the *ONE THING* that I already know, and feel sad to know, about what my Experience with the Imaginarium Theater will be like, is that after all this work to Select Characters, ensure that they all have good Artefact Sets, are Lvl.70+ *¹,* etc., *the ONE CONSTANT **_(DISAPPOINTMENT)_** in Genshin is that I KNOW is in store for me,* is that after all this hard work, it'll definitely end up being a walk in the park, be WAYYY TOO EASY, almost devoid of any Challenge...
*¹-* _This Requirement does make me lose a bit of choice, as I have about 25-33% of my Chars that aren't A5 or A6 yet, so this Event might end up being what makes me Lvl Up a few of my Chars that have been stuck forever at Low Levels even though they seem to be Fun & Useful, such as Sayu 60/60 and Kirara 69/70._
It sucks, because the Game still has SO MUCH POTENTIAL, but the Devs are still Hell Bent on giving all these 4 & 5 Star Options, Constellations, Artefact Set Bonuses, Char Lvl to 90, Skills to 10/13, all these wonderful Elemental Reactions, only to make us fight Slimes and Hilichurls...
There ARE some Harder Events from time to time, though they're still a rare exception, and they're always so much Fun, and the Community LOVES THEM, so I really really hope that the Game Devs will wake TF up before they lose what's remaining of their Player Base by having Neglected them for so long.
In the Past, thry had the Luxury of having absolutely Zero Competition that really stuck and was a real Success against Genshin Impact, but things are changing and the years are going by, with the Archon Story progressing at such a Snail's Pace that we have the time to forget all that happens between each new Developments!
Anyways, Rant over.
Sorry, it's that kind of day for me: Ranting about stuff because I've been nagged at, verbally abused, gaslighted to such an extreme, always while staying in absolute Control of myself, Containing everything, that it's gotta come out some way. And if it's in the way of a small Rant about a Game I love, TO a Player that thinks similarly, then I feel that it's a pretty damn good deal!
@alargecorgi2199
@@alargecorgi2199 Dude sit down a second and think about this please.
It's a new endgame mode, it's a endgame mode that didn't release normally but instead it took a huge bite of the only one we had.
As an almost launch player I don't have to put myself in no ones shoes, this is for people like me, it's literally stealing half of my abyss rewards and it ended up being just a character check, there was absolutely nothing difficult in sight, had the whole thing released with it's own set of rewards I wouldn't even bat an eye but the fact that Hoyo equates this to an abyss like event is what makes it insulting.
IWTL was actively crushing abyss cycles and even then he took his time to offer 4* alternatives while leaving enough time to make up for his whaled up account, saying he is only dismissing the thing because he is a content creator also puts down the good will of people like me that sticked with the game for more than one year, what can I say? sorry for having more than 42 characters ready for mid difficulty battles? sorry for supporting the game for over 3 years and having enough characters built and yet receiving an endgame that doesn't require even a portion of the potential they have?
I've maintain my opinion on the whole thing, it's too easy for an endgame mode and it's too restrictive for a casual game mode, should be harder in the current state or should have a new set of rewards if it's for casuals, it being a middle ground is just appealing to everyone and pleasing no one.
My complain is why u need full 4 people team when i can solo with arle. I don't wanna waste my bennett yet.
So true, should be able to go in with however many characters you want. This bothered me too
Exactly bro 😭
Just because of the 4 character limit it was so difficult for me to get past 6 stars cause of all the wasted characters
It’s a restriction, they don’t want to reward you with just a well built character, rather they want you to focus on resource management
@@weberluc2685 By forcing you to fill spots? the game has restrictions in place already, now add the RNG of being dripfeed your own units and now you're forced to use the last vigor on your Faruzan on a Arlecchino team because you HAVE to use a 4 character team when you could've saved her for later if a stage with swirl sub mission shows up?
I had Raiden from the start and Sara showed up on my line up near the end, it was still a piece of cake but any hope I had of playing my Raiden hyper died when I had to spend her in the middle stages while I saw Chevy Raiden and XL sitting there waiting for Sara, then I got Sara who I slotted into anything I was short on and proceeded to no switch to her -.-
All of this before realizing that the last fights could be cleared with literally any of my worse characters, no spike in difficulty at any point.
If they ever make a Geo only cycle, i'm cooked
They wont lmao. They forgot about that element
I only have noelle 😂🗿
leaks speculate dendro, cryo, geo for the august one. thats all raw dmg, no reactions. if they really do that, we are all cooked. i don´t have any pf the geo or cryo 5stars except Zhongli bc I hate these characters :)
@@isabelle.qb9146 Based on the characters in 4.8 - Nilou, Navia, Emilie, Yelan - they could do Geo, Hydro, Dendro, to incentivize pulling for Navia and Nilou
@@r.d.6290 I would love that. Have been playing [navia, zhongli, barbara, yelan] since December last year. I'm stacked with hydro and geo units
Hoyo is shaking us down, yelling, “you’ll build every single character and LIKE IT!”
this is an endgame mode, basically its for people that aint got anything to do
I REALLY HATE THAT BUILD EVERY CHARACTER WHEN IT COMES FROM TRASH ARTIFACTS LIKE DEF, HP OR FLAT ATKS OR DEF. I REALLY WANT TO QUIT THIS GAME
If anything, to me Imaginarium Theater pretty much confirms that actual artifact loadouts are never happening. The fact that artifacts are locked out before starting the run means they really want players to give each chatacter their own set of artifacts rather than sharing (which makes sense since it means more time spent in the game to grind). While you can share artifacts if the set is on a character of a different out of season element, i feel its pretty rare to do that.
i mean, i want to have option to save multiple sets for each characters lol(like separate freez and melt builds for rosaria, carry and support build for faruzan, dps and bloom build for nilou etc.) they didn't gave us even that
HI3 does something similar with their weekly Boses (gear locking) and yet still has artifact load outs. Think it's just push back as they are trying to keep Genshin the more casual of their action games while appeasing the player base that wants more serious game play and yet won't try any of their other games geared toward that demographic.
@@volodyan7780 Yup, for even if you want to try out a build, so you temporarily borrow some artifacts to see if it is worth farming another copy of the set for a character.
The funny part is, I don't want artifact loadouts to SHARE sets between characters. Rather my main gripe is I'd like artifact loadouts for IT-specific sets, because the way the mode is designed you'd really like to overstack on ER while probably dunking damage.
☠️
I cleared it easily enough, but I really disliked the mechanic of having to recruit your team to cobble together some half-assed comp.
Same..
Triple DPS go brr
I think that's the only fun thing abt it
True, I felt like the element restriction was already good enough for teaching players how to team build with a limited amount of units, but the fact that you have to recruit characters was a bad idea, as most of the time I have to just waste a character’s vigor because nobody else slots in well, I guess it also helps with team building, but I don’t think putting Faruzan into an Arlecchino team is good way of teaching players how team building works.
I think that with the majority of time sterile team building of spiral abyss being forced beyond the basic good stuff teams is good, but the fact you need 12-14 characters built is shit.
I had to resurrect my ancient Diluc and give him some artifacts I had lying around to meet the 18-character minimum, and then the way things played out, he is who I had to use to defeat the final boss. It was close, but I did it after a few retries.
That was roughly my experience too. I burned all my good units in the early stages and had some scuffed teams for the last two bosses, so I struggled a bit. Next cycle I'll plan that out better and hopefully not have to retry ~10 times
Why i read it Ancient Dragon Somber Stone 💀
This feels like Mihoyo's attempt to get people to pull for characters that they would otherwise not pull for, but because there is now a gameplay mode that just wants you to have lots of characters, they will have to pull for them now
You will naturally accrue characters just by summoning regularly. You always get a bunch of characters you don't want because of rng, the only real restriction is leveling them up. Meeting these requirements will naturally happen over time with regular play.
You get 3 4stars everytime you pull for a 5star , so it's not the intention
You got it wrong imo, you can still do this with 4 stars as you just saw. It's more so that they make you do vertical investment into your Pyro, Electro, Anemo characters so you can access the gamemode. The gamemode in itself isn't difficult at all
@@marvellousbalogun3826 i've been playing since release, i barely have enough characters to meet the requirements for Hard mode because the characters I pulled dont match with the elements that are required. I have a bunch of Cryo and Geo characters that I cannot use because of the character restriction and if I want to do this game mode, i have to pull characters that I do not want to pull on.
Also i have lost every Raiden and Yae 50/50 i've attempted and have C4 Keqing and C2 Dehya. Constellations mean that sometimes when you get a character, its not even going to be a new one.
The character restriction is very real
11:52 *record scratch* REEEEEMIX
(Gonna copy paste my comment from another vids)
I have all these characters only to use them in meh teams because the game gives them randomly + its very strict with elements, it feels more like a little harder event than a "endgame" game mode. I still preffer abyss because its harder and puts your account to the test, theater just checks if you pull alot. Its too easy for veterans and too hard for new players. PEAK DESIGN EVERYONE
Complaining for complaining. Most garbage comments
My issue is it doesn’t not test game knowledge you can just brute force it with mid teams because how easy it is and if they make it hard it would be annoying because we have no control over the teams anyway so we are just at rng’s mercy.
@@GerriFuryman Don't cry, genshintard.
@@GerriFuryman cant handle different opinions huh , what can you expect from someone who stans genshin
@@GerriFurymanzip it up when ur done
Everyone wouldve been happier about this new mode if they didnt double the cooldown on abyss with its introduction. Everybody was like: "Can we have more endgame?" and hoyo was like "Sure, well double the endgame content, but your current endgame content gets halved so in the end nothing changes. You like?"
Ya like it resetting once a month now sucks. Like glad we have more endgame. But not about that.
That alone means that this update ruined things, as if it wasnt bad enough
We wanted more endgame, so they took away endgame and gave us Imaginarium Theater. I won’t call it endgame because it’s so ridiculously easy. When Coppelius was on floor twelve last, I cleared it in 21 seconds with my Hu Tao team (has Staff of Homa, Yelan with Aqua Simulacra, Furina with Key of Khaj-Nisut and Xianyun), and here Arlecchino with Baizhu, Bennet and Xianling cleared in 15 seconds.
I play HI3 and their endgame resets weekly (like 3 different endgames on top of weekly farming), some events are several times a week and frankly, it gets old having to do it constantly, especially since I play more than one game. I actually appreciate that they are alternating this new mode with Abyss now that I have 4 hoyo games to keep up with. Genshin was intended to be their casual game.
@@ulrikruby Maybe try using 2 or 1 character team on abyss and feel the true endgame. if you kill monster too quickly its not even fun
I had one annoying moment in my run: it was defend-type mission with chellenge to defeat 45 enemies. The thing is that timer was 3 minutes and each defeated enemy decreased timer by 3 seconds, so effectively I had only 45 seconds to complete challenge. I had both Kazuha and Venti in my roster but none of them appeared because of random. I had to kill 45 mobs in 45 seconds with overload team. It was terrible.
You should get Venti before that run and keep him until you need him.. I think it's always on level 4th-5th (?)
Try gacha for char card, it's still a chance though
Its awful lmao and more worse if the mobs keeps running away from you 💀
I hated that one too, why make a challenge to defeat a specific number when defeating them means less time?!
7:18 ... you just need to beat all 8 acts to receive all rewards. Stars are just to show off in your profile card.
is it? I thought that you need the star to get the reward for the level, like you can beat it, but not get the reward, but you can do it in different runs
@@vladys001no I beat it with just getting three stars and got all the rewards
@@wolfbad512 This might be true for the one time clear rewards. But I'm 99% sure when I cleared it the first time, I didn't save my strong characters for the last stage and didn't beat it in time and the 8th seasonal reward was greyed out.
So yeah, I'm pretty sure for the seasonal rewards you have to beat the times, otherwise it's pointless and a joke compared to Abyss
@@Gennosuke1983 when I cleared it the first time I got 5 out of 8 flowers
Got all the rewards still
It was annoying cause I didn't have built charecters it would've been impossible for me to get all the flowers when most of my charecters didn't have weapons or artifacts
I just relied on Saving the DPS charecters I have by not using them in the same team until the last fight where they were my only choice
I can only 30 star abyss atm but finished all of this
It will be hell tho when the elemental requirements change
@@wolfbad512 So you got the rewards from both sections? The one time rewards and the seasonal rewards? I guess I'll check with next reset, but I'm sure I didn't get all rewards when I cleared it first time, because I was annoyed I had to do it again just because of bad RNG, I got the strong characters in the early stages.
Anyway, if at any point they add Geo + Dendro to the 3 element restriction, then a lot of people will be screwed, including myself. Not many people have Geo characters built and we don't have many strong Dendro characters either.
But I guess in that situation, I will just use low level 4* Geo/Dendro like Noelle, Ningguang, Collei, etc in the early stages even if I'll never switch to them and save the 3rd strong element for the last 2-3 stages
I'll just say what I read in a comment a few days ago and it made me laugh: "Wait until the elements line up are Geo, anemo and dendro.". If that ever happened I'm gonna laugh and cry at the same time. 😂
Hoyo just needs to introduce new reactions, even if just for a season of IT. Geo+Anemo=Dust(stun and geo+anemo dmg). Geo+Dendro=Roots(coordinated geo+dendro attack from the ground that juggles enemies). Anemo+Dendro=Pollen(creates area that pulls in mobs and does anemo+dendro dmg)
@@r.d.6290sounds op 😂 but I think they should add those reaction too. It will give this game a new life
Nah @@r.d.6290 unreactive elements are meant to work this way. Adding a reaction with geo or anemo in dendro could fuck up blooms or aggravate. It is perfect the way it is(although i really really think geo and dendro should have reactions)
Damn, this puts it all into perspective...
My friends and I (all players since launch) have been having so much trouble with this gamemode, that watching CCs do it so easily almost makes me feel bad haha...
Yeah me too, but I think I just may not be a skilled player. I still can’t get all the stars out of spiral abyss. Even when I copy other players teams I think I just don’t have the understanding of how to play them correctly.
@@danielbecker9449 My advice for the Abyss is to watch Sevy's guides, if you don't already. She focuses on the mechanics of the enemies. Copying teams isn't ideal in Genshin, since constellations, weapon quality, artifact quality, and access to characters all differ. And, of course, there's rotation stuff. Plus, knowing mechanics, like how to group the likes of heralds, carries forward.
I can't blame you, I'm a 1.0 player too, and the majority of players I guess just builds teams around characters that they truly want to play, in my case - fatui teams,
Childe, xl, kazuha, benny; wanderer mona, faruzan, diona; Arlecchino, fischl, beidou and chevreuse,
So that's 9 out 12 characters i can play,
The rest are half/not fully built if not not built at all,
This is just a bad design game forcing you not only to play characters you don't like, but to invest to them as well, it won't be as much of a problem if there's no resin issue, but that's another topic
@@vixbob2356 yes
I guess thats what happens when you have the "I main X" mentality that Genshin players suffer with. No other gacha game functions like that. You are meant to build multiple teams for various situations. There is no way a day one player doesnt have this in the bag unless they were intentionally scuffing their account progression in order to get linear investment on a singular character or team.
For old players like us its not a theatre its a Circus🤡
then if you participate it means that you are a clown?
@@vladys001arent all veterans clowns in a way... defnitiely jokes on us more often :)
@@vladys001 if you play genshin then you are a clown (me too) 😄
I love how i pulled for all these cryo and geo characters cuz I like them a lot and then get fucking told that I'm not allowed to use them
"I don't have any friends" felt that 😔
Having IWTL added to your friends list is the definition of OP, unless he selects troll characters so no one can use his c6 r5 5 star characters 😂
@@betomsd1 what he exactly did at 3:30
My go-to strategy now is just “Collect All the Character so that the weaker team comp can clear the earlier stages.” It works really well, for me at least :’)
My issues are the random characters they give and the fact that they don't let me use less than 4 characters at a time, like one round my team was clorinde arlechhino hutao and kuki i believe. All my supporting characters were given at the last rounds and the team synergy was really bad. As for the enemies they're not hard the only thing making this game mode any challenging are the issues i mentioned.
Thumbnail is not wrong. Built but benched/shelved characters' time to shine.
I was so confused with this game mode at the beginning, i didnt even realize to invite new characters in the beginning, just when my first few chars had no energy left i started searching what i missed. Still made it quite easy to the end with sometimes crazy teams. Easy primos if they keep it like that, wont complain
Saaaaaame!!! haha, but after that I completed this regime without problems
Abyss in 1.0 was also easy, but look at it now. I fully expect Imaginarium Theater to become harder and harder as time goes.
But abyss on 1.0, was when people could not have a developed account and didn't know much about the game. This is a mode introduced almost 5 years into the game.
Not when it completely negates the main combat philosophy of the whole game which are teams and good team synergy but we'll see.
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@@1Henrink New mode, though, so they'll a) want to see how people do, erring on the side of easy because anxiety, and b) the player performance will be at its worst this time, because a bunch of players won't have a bunch of characters built plus we have the least experience with the character use mechanics. So it is definitely possible and quite likely the first few will be as easy as it ever will be.
That said, with the whole "anxiety" thing, I don't see them making this mode difficult. They'd save that floor 12 of the Abyss.
@@Axterix13 yeah I agree on this. Only that it's not like the situation on 1.0.
And I also don't expect them to make this hard ever.
no build units = hard
The hard part is keeping enough characters in a cohesive party per fight, especially since the supporting cast are added randomly; some rounds I suddenly didn’t have healers
So funny seeing the thumbnail when twitter was full of people screaming about how its too hard
Leave it to twitter to say it’s too hard. This game mode is really pretty easy.
It's pretty hard for those who don't have built units and so it's subjective.
I am twitter. It's pretty hard at least the first time.
@@gabrielrodriguez9142so you want endgame to be easy for people without endgame stats?
Its hard for newer/casual players (probably like 90% of the people who play genshin) who don’t have the time/resources to play every day and get like 18 characters built
The longest part of IG gameplay is none other than adjusting artifacts for the characters.
@@Chi.A4 I'm pretty sure that's not true, after I cleared floor 8 without the time requirement, I didn't get the 8th rewards. I got it the second time.
You do get all first time clear rewards, but those are only one time
All my usable characters have their own weapon and artifacts, I hate switching stuff, so this doesn't bother me. I can understand newer players not having artifacts for everyone, but if you play for at least 7-8 months, you should be fine by now
It took me hours to clear the hard mode (skill issue) after levelling up characters for a couple of days and you cleared it in just 11min?? Damn. 😂
I really like your more measured opinion of this mode and appreciate that you used weaker characters to understand the more typical player. You acknowledge that the experience may be different for more casual and underleveled players. So many content creators bash it for being easy, uninteresting, and unwieldy without realizing that there are actual strategic decisions that need to be made. They give lip service to the fact that maybe their account is too strong, but they don't bother to simply take off some artifacts and see what that's like.
I'm AR 57, been playing for 16 months. I'm very much a sweaty meta player and understand elemental gauge theory, snapshotting, ICD, etc. But since I vertically invested into my C2 Furina and her domain, I was very underbuilt for this Theater. I had to level up 3 characters to 70 just to meet requirements. It took me three overall tries but probably 20 tries on one of the middle floors. I finally actually used Sayu and Xiangling to beat that "groupable" Eremites floor. It's not a meme team: enemies too far apart for Kazuha to group, so Sayu was the only way to quickly damage everything.
Personally, I feel like hard mode isn't quite doable for accounts under 1 year old, probably doable for those 1-2 years old, and easily doable for those older than that. So it's a pretty good spread, and I think it will make a lot of casual players happy.
It’s pretty easy and fun, but I wish they had some sort of flex slot element? I don’t like the 3 element limit simply because the reactions are too limited especially if some of my characters don’t work well with specific reactions (ex: Hu Tao overload is ok but nothing compared to vaporize or melt).
I do like it because it feels rewarding having my built but benched characters still help clear some endgame content.
this is what I waiting for. thank you
The only hard thing on this mode is to get the achivement where it ask you to clear it with 8 mystery cache cards haha
It may be too easy for really well built accounts, but newer players literally can't do it some times if they don't have enough characters of the correct elements. I'm a dolphin playing since 1.0 with only one break around 4.0 and it was easy as shit for me. But I've seen a lot of people talking about how they can't even do Hard mode because they don't have enough characters. Not enough characters BUILT, but enough at all.
I think this was always going to be the case, but it's weird to see the dichotomy of people saying it's too easy or too hard.
New players not supposed to clear any end game content, people love to complain about everything for no reason.
@@GerriFuryman idk i started at first furina banner im ar 56 now that means im world level max and unlocked most of the content and i have enough character to 36 star the abyss what d u say about new players cant clear any end game content is wrong only heavy invested players can clear imaginarium theatre that is what i understand
@@ez10x14 no, the one who can’t complete this mode is noobs. Genshin is easy af game. They always complaining about everything
@@GerriFurymanthen they should’ve made it harder
@@GerriFuryman oh u were saying about skill gap i see ya for me this mode is easy but i cant go past medium difficulty bcuz of shelved characters and its pretty fustrating
bcuz its not skill gap it feels like the game is forcing me to play the game spend more and etc to get couple more primos and i dont have that much time to grind other than dailies bcuz of other games which is significantly better to spend ur time like HSR and Wuwa
I really liked this game mode, actually! I like that it’s not as “hard” as spiral abyss and focuses on mechanics and figuring out how best to cobble together a team, despite not having the strongest most meta options available all the time. The whole thing is much more engaging and fun than spiral abyss in my opinion, since spiral abyss feels like nothing more than a dps check.
I'm actually glad that this is too easy, since the game mode isn't very refined, lacks depth and the rewards aren't good enough for me to put in any more effort into trying to beat it.
I kinda feel like this is modeled after HI3 Elysian Realm (especially after the announcement today that we'll be getting additional content that requires keys to unlock. Sounds like Elysian realms shallow sequence) which means it will cater to newer units every time it updates and will be moderately easy for players who are actually end game.
Hyvrs patterns :
❌ Players hoping genshin improve to compete the rival,
✅ Hyvrs make another game.
❌ Players wants abyss floor 13 & above,
✅ Hyvers make another end game.
Veteran player here since launch and I agree with your opinion. It was not a piece of cake to me, but mainly because you have to get used to the mode and I didnt use the currency to get characters and buffs because I didnt know what else I would need it for. So I unintentionally made it harder for myself, but still managed to get it all. Struggled the most with a challenge where you had to kill like 30 mobs in a specific time range, where each defeat deducted ~2 sec and I just constantly ran out of time. I fear its not the mode I was hoping for. At least a bit of variety with this and spiral abyss alternating now, but its not that hard or groundbreaking.
As someone who is at AR 55 I despise the character and elemanal restrictions. I have had an almost completely consistent character team throughtout my whole playthrough of the game because it was all I needed to get through the game. I have many charcters, yes, but it feels so sudden for hoyo to say "Yeah, you know those characters that haven't seen the light of day since the last Hu Tao re-run and are only at lvl 20? Yeah, well you need to go level all of them up and give them half decent artifacts so you can play this game mode that barely gives (what I think is) substantial rewards for your effort." (I'm talking about only the limited primos, not the first time completion)
I get that this game mode is end content and I have no problem with leveling my characters up to meet the standards and try out new play styles the thing is, the process is so tedious and it felt so random to me that all of a sudden I needed to have a large array of different charcters to meet the element restrictions AND have them all leveled up to be half decent characters that I won't even pull out during open world exploration or upcoming quests. SORRY FOR THE YAP FEST.
When it’s a hydro rotation I’ll be okay 💪
Imagine if Mihoyo makes a Geo, Cryo and Dendro cycle 💀
I think they kinda sort elements by reactions you can do with them, so even if there can be a gwo and cryo in the same season, dendro is not going to be there I think
As someone who always levels characters to lvl80 and has a decent set artifacts for almost all of them, it was quite fun. I usually use my 3 strongest for overworld with 1 random character and I always use the same teams for abyss. So using unconventional teams again was really nice. Brings me back to my first few months where I threw random characters together to clear abyss
on my eu ar 55 account funnily enough i can't start even the easy mode thing bc i don't have enough pyro, electro and anemo characters to fill the roster
Massive L on taking a sponsorship that strongly uses AI 'art.'
Yes OMG... I was about to say that :( It's terrible how much AI content and apps are appearing during the last months
It's not the sponsor that uses ai art
The charecters are made by users and the pics chosen by users it's the users doing ai art
@@wolfbad512 Still not really a good look if the site condones it. These chat AI sites aren't any better either way.
@@LinRinku the app u are using allows ai art aswell
Every app allows ai art to be used by users
If u are going to get mad at the sponsorship then get mad at yourself for using UA-cam or for him uploading on UA-cam cause it's also filled with ai art
I don't support ai art btw
@@wolfbad512 With all due respect, stranger, there's a bit of a difference between promoting "a site that's all about AI generated garbage" and "a site that unfortunately allows AI generated garbage, but was an online space to share human, creative works." IWinToLose is promoting the former.
I'd also like to say that with being apathetic about AI generated media being prevalent, you might as well be on their side. These AI generated eyesores cause harm to our environment and to actual human creatives. People like you who don't bat an eye saying "it's everywhere now" just encourages these unethical practices.
So yes, I'm mad at the people who promotes and pushes for these stealing, soulless works. I'm mad that UA-cam and other sites that used to be creative spaces now allow AI generated media. I'm mad at the people who use that chat site for funny little snippets to share on social media for clout. I'm mad that there are people who don't care or want a kick at that nonsense.
Anyway. Peace and love ✌
I’m an AR 59 player who’s been at it since 1.5. I only ever built 2 full teams (Hu Tao double hydro and a Morgana variant with Ayaka) because I was always able to clear Abyss with them quite easily, plus some other characters that I liked. Definitely came back to bite me in the ass for this challenge. I would say I have 20-ish well-built characters, but definitely not enough to well-built pyro/anemo/electro characters to make this a breeze. And even then, some of my best characters frequently share artifacts.
Idk I have never managed to 36-star Abyss but I finished this so on this regard I already like it a lot more than I ever did Abyss so.
I like the design of the room. Struggled a bit as i didn't read any instructions (ha!) ... but when i realised the little lightenings are "lives" and not how much recommended each character is for each stage (i don't know where i got this idea in my head) it was easy enough. Not sure what the pose i bought does ...but main question is: can i use the buff for the abyss???
It's interesting because it's not hard, it's more of that you don't have enough characters to even try the hardest mode. The rush to build characters is going to be fun lol, I have literally 3 Geo characters not including Geo traveler lol-
I'm actually really happy about it, it means I get to finally play characters outside of the free rewards in the trials or events.
i think difficulty is just right. Like it so much more then abyss. No need to make IT more difficult. Just a but QOL stuff.
I’m so thankful I spared 3-5 of the same sets with decent substats
I don’t have most of the trial characters so it is difficult for me to clear because I don’t know how they work… getting there but as someone who has been playing casually for almost 2 years I think many seems to not realize that it is the difficulties of 1) having 2) building and 3) knowing how to use so many characters that make this game more challenging.
I don't know if this is a 1 time thing or not but because of this mode the abyss reset cycle was extended to I think 30 days as well so the new mode give out very little rewards on a monthly basis compare to before it came out
I haven't fooled around to much on my alt account, but was a pretty easy clear on my release account. Which, I'm pretty alright with. Challenging content is great, sure. But this kinda feels like a way to reliably hand out primos, for some reasonable minimum effort, and that's ok by me. Star Rail adds events that give you rolls all the time, so it feels just fine.
I really liked this mode, Im always stressed on the abyss, looking at the time and sometimes losing 3 stars by 1 or 2 seconds. This mode is so whimsical and relaxing.
On my first run I reached level 3 or 4 I don't remember and I could only use 3 out of 4 characters which the game does not allow, that's when I stopped just mindlessly clicking next and instead thought for a second, started using the card to get an extra character, at some point I had all the possible characters and just rushed to the end, I still don't completely know how this thing works
It feels like they tried to make this somewhat similar to the simulated universe but the thing for me that is lacking or that they missed out on is a shop similar to the simulated universe for atleast some replay ability but after completing it once, I have no reason to do it again till next season
For context, my account is about to hit AR59 since I played a lot back in release but had a big pause after 2020.
Now, I have a decent cast of characters with high talents and at least 4star weapons and their levels up to 90, but that's not enough to clear abyss 12 for a single star these days.
This mode offers 6 trial characters and ONLY A SINGLE friend chatacter while enforcing 4 characters per team. Naturally, even being allowed to play is a struggle,
but then I need to rely on 1-2 trial characters and my occasional okay-ish character to beat the floors, which is a lot more stressful than it has any right to be.
The good news, the paper stars don't matter for rewards, so it is doable. But if we could just have fun with a few more friend characters to deploy actually fun teams, this mode could be amazing.
Without using at least 2 strong characters, getting the paper stars each room is impossible and I include the trial characters as "strong" ones since the trial artefacts still surpass any stats you get from full lv90 + all talents lv9 easily.
TL:DR the mode is needlessly restrictive to be fun but anyone that beats abyss regularly will have too high numbers to be challenged.
If they made all characters trial or friend trading only then people couldn't abuse their own stats and would have to actually think; anyone who wants to enjoy their stats has abyss already.
I suppose everyone that has nothing left to play for but wishes to finally use their own characters... feels just robbed of half an abyss instead of getting something new. Suffering from success.^^
Peak gensht endgame after almost 4 fking years from now
I see the Imaginarium Theater as a fun version of the banner character test runs.
I rlly like that I was able to try out Arleccino, Wanderer and Clorinde in a proper combat situation ^^.
Also I like that it makes me use so many different characters and team comps, I so seldomly use otherwise. (In Spiral Abyss on the other hand its always the same two teams that destroy everything.)
Bro was forced to make that "woo-hoo" 😂
It's easy for players who have built up many characters but I have played a lot of weird team comp thanks to this mode and somehow they worked since it was easy not an abyss level enemy.
I guess disappointing is the best way to put it... Earlier today saw a dev post (dunno if it was real tho) regarding Imaginarium Theater, supposedly they'll be doing some tweaking to it, hopefully turns for the better.
Been playing for years and have spent lots of time trying to at least get characters into a useable state, and a few I have farmed very hard for. So while it was fun to use characters I don't normally think of using, it was easy for me to complete. Much like any endgame mode in star rail if you have the characters it is beatable. Hopefully this first version was easy as a kind of heads up to players and future versions up the challenge.
I didn't plan ahead and I ended up with a really bad team for Coppelius. I had to retry it quite a few times
Please be reminded that, for the whole season, the Principal Cast/Opening Characters are buffed (Fantastical Blessings) inside and OUTSIDE of the Imaginarium Theater - includes Domains and Spiral Abyss.
Just cleared this a couple minutes ago. This made me glad that all characters, be them 4* or 5*, are max ascended (lvl 80-81, 80-90 respectively), talents leveled, have personal weapons maxed, and with more than descent personal individual artifact builds. (except Noelle). So what ever character I am randomly getting, I can rely on them on the field to be useful in someway.
Clearing it was easier than abyss for me because I pretty much just unga bunga.
I have almost every character on my account. However, I only needed 8-12 for Spiral Abyss and as that's the only challenge the game had, they were the only ones I needed. I didn't have gear levelled for the 18 character minimum required, so I had to take some in naked/semi-naked. I did many runs on hard, most were still easy enough to do. I did notice some of the challenges are significantly harder than others, especially to get the flowers and depending on what characters you currently have. e.g. on one run I got stuck because the enemy were Praetorian Golems and I just couldn't deal with the Geo shields fast enough for the challenge without a Claymore or Geo character myself.
As a 1.5 year long player having just hit AR 60, this was tricky to max with random teams. I definitely haven't built enough characters in these elements and I definitely don't have enough artifacts to give them all semi decent pieces. It's enough of a struggle to get good artifacts on my few main teams and to have enough for all the characters needed for this is very difficult when you can spend days of resin in a domain and get nothing good. It would have been better if I could have planned the teams to use with my sub par characters but since we already have the restriction of elements is the usage/vigor count also needed? Maybe if it was more like Star Rail's simulated universe where the fun is in getting all the buffs and taking down some tank enemies it would be better, or make them replenish vigor every 3 battles or at least give access to all characters from the start.
Since I built all of my characters I can clear this mode quickly
I had a couple of issues with the imaginarium-
1) the fact that your friends can use your characters is great, but I wish that they would either make it so that the use of your characters is unlimited (not only 15 times) or they implement a VIP system. The reason I say this is because my closest friends were not able to use my c6 characters since other acquaintances had used them first and maxed them out. It was unfortunate since my friends and I were really looking forward to using each other’s characters for weeks. I don’t actually want to erase acquaintances in order for my real friends to use them- I get that genshin wanted to add some limitations, so that’s why I suggest a VIP system where you could manually choose friends to get the first pickings of your characters.
2) for “end game content”, it was too easy. And yes, I mentioned c6 characters, but even without using them it seemed lacklustre.
And also, I don't think we get anything in return for if someone used our chars(?)
I hate when they cannot use my wanderer. same with other ppl clorinde, arle, faruzan etc. Its locked basically for trials
I am really curious of how to handle the monolith defense challenges, the harder challenge seem to be impossible to do. Maybe I am doing something wrong, but each time I kill enemy, I lose time, so basically I ran out of time before killing all of them.
Do you have suggestion how to overcome it other than simply avoid it?
Been playing for about a year and a half and at AR 59
Up until now, I would generally level up characters that I will play in the abyss up to 80/90 minimum and leave everyone else at 20/40; however, I did have a Beidou at 60/70 and a Sayu at 60/70 lying around for some reason. I just happened to need two more characters for the hard difficulty, so I leveled them up to fill the roster and put random artifacts on them. Ended up not needing Sayu at all and only used Beidou once.
Honestly was a fun challenge for me: less in terms of actual gameplay but more in terms of planning what characters I would be using and what characters I could afford to waste. Got lucky with a hydro-enemy room in Act 5 right after unlocking Hu Tao and got an extra use of Fischl thanks to one of the Boons.
Honestly would have struggled a bit more if I didn't have such good RNG, and excited for next season. Hopefully I don't need Geo
😅
The most challenging thing is getting the achievement where you need to get 8 mystery caches. It's down to RNG. 😅
im not sure if you have c6 gaming, but if you get him could you compare him to other pyro dps units? i really feel like he could outperform a lot of our current roster of pyro DPS
I reached act 8 with Clorinde, Lisa, and Dehya and Chev Lv 70 talents Lv 1 with no artifacts. 💀
I’m not clearing this anytime soon but at least got the primos until act 7.
I loved the concept, but indeed, for an account like mine is just too easy.
This mode is just too hard to balance because people with tons of characters get way too overpowered compared to a newer account.
Hopefully, they add a harder "challenge mode," even if it doesn't give rewards.
I finished it after my first try and my initial thought was “thats it?” 😭😭 I was desensitized by the abyss (which I can’t 12 stars yet)
I love that it inspires creative team comps with restrictions. It's so fun
Also. The lore is really interesting
I know the theorycrafter fanbase tends to be pessimistic about the game. But for many genshin players, i think this is an awesome edition
When the game tells you who to play and how to play is it really a game that you plays or the game plays with you?
I just brute forced my way through and got all the medals
The first thing I truly want from this game mode is buffs that can build from each other and change playstyle. The way roguelikes do. Varied by numbers is really bot interesting.
Bro can able to left after clear a stage in this imagenium theatre like spiral abiss and after return it will start from that same stage or we have to finish it in one go. Please can you tell me
11:54 this made me giggle lmao i love this guy
Ngl for me as a day one player and just a chill casual overall, it felt like an investment check on you which characters you pull and if you raised them to at least 80 with subpar artifacts and lv6 talents. A lot easier than abyss in terms of dmg needed to clear mobs, but the rng of making random characters work together makes it hard aka challenging. If i have any gripes about it, its definitely the element restrictions but i guess its intentional by this game design of this mode. But hey at least you need to only clear the floor and doesnt need the star to get the rewards so thats a plus. I got a 7/8 act 8 run.
Seems like a casual gameplay, mainly to trial characters you may not have, and even your friends characters.
If you go in blind, you'll have a hard time as you are left with unsynergized random left over team members with no DPS to face the final boss. But if you plan ahead with balanced DPS/Support, you'll breeze through it with all flowers.
One of the advice is to only take the 80 battles instead of the 110 one if your team isn't well built. Getting flower on the 110 battle is challenging if you're saving your best DPS for the bosses. Plus, you don't need those extra resource for you only have limited amount of characters to add. I find the buffs are a bit underwhelming and too random to be useful.
It kinda thought it’s going to be hard but once you get what you have to do then it’s easy
As an almost 2 years player, I really loved this event :3 it was somehow easy and funny, i had to use characters i almost never used XD and I discover im sooo into the game that i did very well at the end XD some of my characters are not equiped with any artifact btw XD) YEAH AMAZING, THANKS TO THE GUY WHO CREATED THIS EVENT FOR OLD PLAYERS :3.
Now new players... It is what it is guys :V this is a gacha and capitalist game, if you dont put effort and money in the game, maybe its not a game for you :3 you can leave or stay and learn the game if you want, its funny, beautyful and more BUT you need patience AND SOME MONEY :D regards.
dont know if this is a bug but theres this card that allows you to refresh a characters energy/usage and another card to bring/recruit them to the team but the trials characters don't seem to show up when i try to recruit them after their energy had been replenished
That cards mean they will be available for recruit again. Which means, after that card, we have to get recruit card to get them back in the team. Not sure if this is related with being trial character or not tho. But at least it works that way in my run
Coop and a replayable mode would be nice
1 minute ago is absolutely scrumptious
im totally agreed with you, im AR60 and i have all my 5 star characters built, this took me like 12-15 min to complete the 8 levels, and i think this is too easy to be an "end game", looks more like an event.
The biggest issue I have is I am a casual f2p player who doesn't have enough time to spend hours upon hours on this game everyday to get my characters built, I have only 2 teams of strong characters built so far even if I have been playing for almost 2 years, and my strongest most invested characters are either of different element or the ones the are already given to us in trial so yeah I'm seriously struggling with this mode and how they want us to use so many characters but give limted elements :/
There is a tiny middle ground between just not having the units to start the mode and it being super easy where you barely have enough functionally built units to start and suck at dodging where it’s kinda challenging and you kinda have to interact with its mechanics which is where I am. With some more built units and some practice I’ll probably end up finding this super easy
I didn’t know you could get buffs 😅. I only managed to reach act 4.
My 3+ y.o. acct found it easy, my 6 month old alt account doesn’t have enough characters.
As a new ish player who has just started to dip my toes into the endgame, this mode is pretty frustrating. My only 4 limited 5 stars are Arlecchino, Neuvillette, Furina, and Chiori, so now I can only use one of them, and I’ve dodged a lot of the better pyro and electro characters so far, so I have no Bennet, Kuki, Thoma, or Chevreuse. I only have ~10 characters built so far and only 5 of them are pyro, electro, or anemo, so I don’t have enough characters to even attempt Imaginarium, and to play it I’d have to build the units I do have that I’m not really interested in like Lisa, Yanfei, and Lynette.
I’ve been feeling pretty good about my progress in Abyss, I’m getting close to getting full stars on floor 11 (I have trouble with the totem protecting chamber) and to just be completely blocked off from the other end game mode like this is really disappointing and makes me feel like I don’t want to bother with the end game at all.