Not unless you do a speed run 👀 Was more or less a joke either way - I don’t think people genuinely bought BG3 to have sex with a bear but ya never know
I still find it delightful and shocking how many hidden things there are in the game. It's also amazing how evil you can be. So many games act like using a swear word or shoving someone is 'evil'. BG3 goes soooo much further than that, and it's memorable for it. It feels like a world with evil Gods and their subsequent moralities and followers as agents.
400 hours into my first play....and I have like 5 other play throughs planned lol. I feel ya. I think my other runs will go faster, I'm just too particular about everything in this run. Doesn't help that I'm a Rogue and steal everything I can, that eats up time. But ya, there is just SO MUCH to do in this game.
It takes at least 50 hours to sleep with the bear unless you’re doing a speed run. That won’t show up until act 3. ;-) Fun essay. Commenting to feed the algorithm.
@@noknowledgejustvibes I was going to make the same comment. I think there used to be an opportunity to hook up with him at the teifling celebration, but you're still talking about 2/3rds of the way through Act 1...
I've chalked up over a thousand hours in this damned game (completed it once as a good Tav and once as redeemed Dark Urge) and still seen only a fraction of the storylines, because the amount of content is astounding - iirc, the total amount of cutscenes and animated dialogue is twice the entire run of Game of Thrones. BTW, much as I adore Astarion's story (his romance with the Dark Urge character is amazing), ironically it has no links to the main plot whatsoever. Lae'zel and Shadowheart are both closely involved to the githyanki/mindflayer conflict, Wyll and Karlach have ties with major NPCs connected to the plot, and Gale is given a mission from his goddess to destroy the Big Bad, but Astarion is only out for revenge against his reclusive master and has no more prior knowledge of your enemies than your own Tav. Maybe that's why his story is so compelling, though - the writers didn't have to shoehorn him into the simplistic quest to stop the final bosses, so they were free to do absolutely anything they wanted with him.
Great points! Guess I’ve never thought of Astarion’s story like that - I think I always considered the deal he makes with Raphael to be a bigger plot point than it actually is
Notice that after one of the patches, Minthara can be recruited even if you side with the Thieflings and the Druids. All you need to do is be careful NOT to kill her in the fight; simply knock her down and you will be able to recruit her in act 2.
I didn’t even know that was an update! Always thought it was like that from day one! Just goes to show what Larian’s priorities are for their games - player freedom
@@noknowledgejustvibes No, originally you could only recruit her in an evil playthrough by siding with the goblins, since there wasn't that much content for them. But Larian kept adding stuff and at some point decided to make her recruitable for good playthroughs as well. Incidentally, since the last patch you can also permanently recruit Alfira in Dark Urge playthroughs.
@noknowledgejustvibes And they're giving us another last patch because we were good boys and girls, can't wait to see what they have in store. (Actually caring about their players having fun like they're important and taking them seriously whaaaaaaaa???)
@zarinaromanets7290 I've never seen a fanbase more willing to spend money on additional content, just to have a developer be so unwilling to accept any of it - love it!
Thanks for pointing out Lae'zel. I made a DnD Gith character before this game came out and loved their lore, so I knew I would love this character. However, I was not expected how complex and well written she would be. I was a bit mad how at launch I heard how disliked she was by the community, but then it took a turn when people got to see her full story.
It was a delicate balance as I’m sure for a lot of people, BG3 was their first experience with DnD lore/Gith. I thought Larian did a great job not only with Lae’zel but really diving into the functions and culture of the Gith in a relatively small amount of time. Her character arc is probably my personal favourite
@@noknowledgejustvibes They also did a good job of Voss IMO. Like how he comes across at first as loyal only to reveal how he is a double agent and then when you see him with Rapheal he is beaten and at the end of his chain. I only just now got to show him the hammer and seeing him there again heroic is awesome. Now gotta find my way into the Prism. how have I put in almost 500 hours and still not beaten this game? There is SO MUCH to do
I remember when I really fell in love with BG3 was finding the nightsong- as annoying as the puzzles were for me, the pay off was spectacular- really the entirety of act 2 was a joy my first run. This really scratched an itch in my brain and I’m still playing and finding new things 500+ hrs later
I missed so many things on my playthrough that the second time felt like a whole new game. I didn't recruit Astarion, Jaheira, and Minsc. I didn't visit Ethel's swamp, I didn't even KNOW the house of hope existed.
I've played through just a whole bunch of times and I've still never recruited Minthara. Hell, I've still never recruited Minsc. I have to keep going back to see what I've missed
I have a relationship with minthara on my current playthrough. She's a tank in combat. I wasn't planning on the relationship aspect. Since I messed up my chance to recruit karlach
I honestly thought I was done with games, until BG3. Modern games seem so broad spectrum that they're bland and afraid to explore interesting ideas. I forgot how much I love seeing the consequences of choices you make. I expected safety rails to prevent me from making terrible choices. None of that - you make your choices and see the results. Love it.
Exactly how I’ve felt with gaming these days. It’s great to play a game that brings back what made us all start playing games in the first place - hopefully we see more of it!
12:00 Yeah I'm on my first playthrough and I'm not really interacting with Lae'zel at all. She's too impulsive, she's mean to everyone, and has been far too cruel for my liking. Before I saved and quit my last session I had just gotten to the Creshe full of githyaki and she actually did a decent job sticking up for us and resolving the situation without bloodshed so I'm hoping this is where her character begins to improve. But everyone else has been great so far. Shadowheart has all but stolen my heart at this point (pun intended 😁), Karlach is the coolest chick ever, Gale has surprised me with how much depth there actually is to him. Even Astarian, someone I originally thought would just be the typical asshole character that for some reason will become a fan favorite has instead become a truly tragic character and I fully intend to help him however I can.
I really need to try a Dark Urge run. I've done two playthroughs so far, one Half Elf Paladin of Vengeance and one Tiefling Storm Lord build. I normally play Lawful good characters in RPGs (I know I'm a goody two shoes) but I know there are some messed up acts you can perform in a Dark Urge playthrough. I'm torn on whether to play full Durge or Resist Durge. Excellent video essay on BG3's narrative strengths and compelling characters!
I usually do the same as a lawful good character - always feels like the intended choice in most games, except probably this one! I completed a full durge run not too long ago, was totally worth it
The worst part of the game is coming to the end of Act 3. The characters were so dynamic and interactive up until the completion of their quest lines that they felt like real people, then suddenly they’re locked into just a few dialogue options and they feel like NPCs. This isn’t to knock the game at all; on the contrary. It’s to just point out that the characters are so well written and acted that it’s so painful when the insurmountable limitations of the game (size and plot) mean that we can hang out with them forever.
Man I can’t wait to play BG3, I already bought it but have been holding out to jump in until the final patch #8 gets added soon. As soon as they announce a release day for that patch I’m taking time off work and playing for a few days straight 😂
Good video, I just wondering if you only play triple A or you actually have come into touch with more rpgs that are more niche, like Pathfinder , rogue trader, shaldwurun, etc.
Ive had Pathfinder and Rogue trader on my list of games to play for a bit now - just about finding enough time to give them a full shot. Anything I think looks cool I try and give a chance - always appreciate recs tho!
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To me this game needed a better main story this is the second game I played from that game company I know they do a lot of amazing things in there game but where’s a good story at.
Don't. Start that crap with elden ring Both games have fantastic storytelling.I get it you don't want to go deep And read between the lines but it's there It's not for you we get it Bg3's story is fantastic One of the best in recent history, but so is Elden Ring Whether you like it or not whether you're willing to take the time it requires to delve deep into its story or not it's still there Waiting for you to discover Literally the most accessible from the studio😅
Oh boy I started… praising the game for being an example of good storytelling and world building that helps benefit the experience of playing the game - I don’t think that’s crap!
I have like 35 hours in BG3 and could not find motivation to finish even act 1. Story is like, you have a parasite, lets go there to find a cure. We go there and guy says I dont have the answer go there, we go there woman says I dont have the cure go there and felt like this loop would never end. Dialogs are well writen but to me main story was very unappeiling.
That’s totally valid my guy - it’s a long ass game and it’s not for everyone. I agree that my first time playing through Act 1, it was a constant wtf is happening type of experience. Act 2 and 3 are definitely stronger - but they wouldn’t be as strong without the foundation Act 1 creates - and subsequent playthroughs really emphasize how Larian were trying to lay the groundworks for the late game.
Imo it's the variety of good/evil choices you can make that capture people's interests. It's a pretty simple story, but it's the way you roleplay and resolve different characters problems that makes different players games very unique. A singleshot playthrough doesn't really hold up against a very well crafted story, but it's not designed it, it's designed for maximising the impact of player choice on the world and characters.
I agree that the main story is very simple and in Act 1 can get a bit frustrating (not to mention that the game tries to instill a sense of desperate urgency that fizzles out when you realise you're not about to turn into a mindflayer any time soon), but imo the meat of the game is in the companions' stories, not the overall quest. That's certainly what I play it for - the "search for a cure" segment is this game's equivalent of grind, and you just have to push through it to get to the more interesting stuff. I feel like Act 1 suffered from being in early access a bit too long, with the result that they stretched it out longer than it really needed to be. Then you get a very compact, almost linear Act 2, followed by a sprawling Act 3 that clearly expanded waaay beyond project scope, since they had to cut out the Upper City entirely. I hope Larian have taken onboard the feedback on BG3 and learned how to pace their stories a bit better, but Sven has already admitted that their new game is going to be a lot bigger than originally planned 😂
@@noknowledgejustvibes Good point. I especially liked Astarion's character. I will %100 start again and push myself more. I am aware that the game is a masterpiece. It just didnt click for me first time.
Nah bg3 writing is nothing noteworthy, its just held up by couple of Great examples of characterisation, that themselfs have talented voice actors to bring them to live. Bg3s writing ceirtainly has lead to no revival of story in rpgs and its greatest stregth is whitout a doubt gameplay, whit its abilities having complex interactions, world interactions, multilayered maps and smart enogh enemies to take advantage of previous systems and designs, to crown it all up is co op whit friends leading to insane experiences. As for bg3s sucess id say it was because good word of mouth from dos2, that got amplified by long awaited searies revival.
I totally get your perspective and you make a good point about the gameplay - the depth of its mechanics and world interactions definitely deserve recognition. And you're right; Larian's reputation from DOS2 and the anticipation for the BG series revival were big factors in the game's success. I still would say the writing plays a significant role too, especially in how it immerses players in the world. While it may not be groundbreaking in every aspect, the nuanced character arcs, the weight of player choices, and the way the story integrates with gameplay create a really cohesive experience. It’s less about individual moments of genius and more about how all the parts-characters, voice acting, and writing structure-work together to make you feel like your actions genuinely matter.
@@noknowledgejustvibes My point was more that writing is bigger part narative and to lesser extent charactererisations that bring it to live and Well in future i dont really see people prasing the plot of 2 chosen deciding to put karsuses stolen crown on Elder brain in order to qonqer the world, or heroes that stopped them, which is honestly just another monday in fayrun, but rather the characters who honestly outshine the just regular story, even if it counts for insane amount of permuatations.
@@ns7495 I agree; I've played this game a lot and I find solo playthroughs to be super boring because all the great writing and story/interactions are between characters. The actual main story is...kind of really bad. Most certainly the worst part of the entire game.
@@jeffreythomson3789 Yeah, best part about main story i find, was arguing whit my multiplayer group; wheter gortashes overall goal of qonqering sword coast, was morally good thing, but game itself didnt seriosly entertain the idea, even tho a more militaristic society would be better equipped to survive a world that faces existensial threaths on yearly to monthly bases, whitout having to rely on after catastrophy has struck option of calling in heroes, of varying quality. Altho i think i migh have been partly inspired by my hatred of karlach on that one, tho to a lesser extent than actual argument.
@@ns7495 "writing is bigger part narative and to lesser extent charactererisations" -- I mean, this is just generally not true. Maybe that is your preference, but generally characters are a core part of writing, and very often they central point of writing. Without characterization, you have a series of events: X happened, and then Y happened and then Z. Characterization is what creates the motivation behind the events, why you care about the events (due to how they impact the characters that are written well so that you care), where tragedy comes from, where celebration comes from. So if you want to simplify BG3's story to the main plot and a series of events, you can do that but you are missing the point. There are significant themes behind the writing of the game, which tie together even things that superficially are separate plots -- an obvious one being the themes around self and bodily autonomy that drives both the main story as well as Astarion's story.
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0:49 no you can't, sleeping with a “bear” doesn't happen until then final act of BG3 assuming you completed certain quests in specific ways.
Not unless you do a speed run 👀
Was more or less a joke either way - I don’t think people genuinely bought BG3 to have sex with a bear but ya never know
I'm still on my first playthrough, and I'm alrrady stressing how I'm gonna find the time to reply the game in all the different ways that I can.
Finding time is definitely the hardest part of playing a game like this - try to enjoy it as much as you can!
I still find it delightful and shocking how many hidden things there are in the game. It's also amazing how evil you can be. So many games act like using a swear word or shoving someone is 'evil'. BG3 goes soooo much further than that, and it's memorable for it. It feels like a world with evil Gods and their subsequent moralities and followers as agents.
400 hours into my first play....and I have like 5 other play throughs planned lol. I feel ya. I think my other runs will go faster, I'm just too particular about everything in this run. Doesn't help that I'm a Rogue and steal everything I can, that eats up time. But ya, there is just SO MUCH to do in this game.
It takes at least 50 hours to sleep with the bear unless you’re doing a speed run. That won’t show up until act 3. ;-)
Fun essay. Commenting to feed the algorithm.
LMAO a little hyperbole between friends never hurt nobody.
Appreciate it!
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I was going to make the same comment. I think there used to be an opportunity to hook up with him at the teifling celebration, but you're still talking about 2/3rds of the way through Act 1...
I've chalked up over a thousand hours in this damned game (completed it once as a good Tav and once as redeemed Dark Urge) and still seen only a fraction of the storylines, because the amount of content is astounding - iirc, the total amount of cutscenes and animated dialogue is twice the entire run of Game of Thrones.
BTW, much as I adore Astarion's story (his romance with the Dark Urge character is amazing), ironically it has no links to the main plot whatsoever. Lae'zel and Shadowheart are both closely involved to the githyanki/mindflayer conflict, Wyll and Karlach have ties with major NPCs connected to the plot, and Gale is given a mission from his goddess to destroy the Big Bad, but Astarion is only out for revenge against his reclusive master and has no more prior knowledge of your enemies than your own Tav.
Maybe that's why his story is so compelling, though - the writers didn't have to shoehorn him into the simplistic quest to stop the final bosses, so they were free to do absolutely anything they wanted with him.
Great points! Guess I’ve never thought of Astarion’s story like that - I think I always considered the deal he makes with Raphael to be a bigger plot point than it actually is
Notice that after one of the patches, Minthara can be recruited even if you side with the Thieflings and the Druids. All you need to do is be careful NOT to kill her in the fight; simply knock her down and you will be able to recruit her in act 2.
I didn’t even know that was an update! Always thought it was like that from day one! Just goes to show what Larian’s priorities are for their games - player freedom
@@noknowledgejustvibes No, originally you could only recruit her in an evil playthrough by siding with the goblins, since there wasn't that much content for them. But Larian kept adding stuff and at some point decided to make her recruitable for good playthroughs as well.
Incidentally, since the last patch you can also permanently recruit Alfira in Dark Urge playthroughs.
@noknowledgejustvibes And they're giving us another last patch because we were good boys and girls, can't wait to see what they have in store. (Actually caring about their players having fun like they're important and taking them seriously whaaaaaaaa???)
@Imman1s WHAT NO WAY. I’m already halfway through a tactician run but might have to restart at this point. Love the insight!
@zarinaromanets7290 I've never seen a fanbase more willing to spend money on additional content, just to have a developer be so unwilling to accept any of it - love it!
Thanks for pointing out Lae'zel. I made a DnD Gith character before this game came out and loved their lore, so I knew I would love this character. However, I was not expected how complex and well written she would be. I was a bit mad how at launch I heard how disliked she was by the community, but then it took a turn when people got to see her full story.
It was a delicate balance as I’m sure for a lot of people, BG3 was their first experience with DnD lore/Gith. I thought Larian did a great job not only with Lae’zel but really diving into the functions and culture of the Gith in a relatively small amount of time. Her character arc is probably my personal favourite
@@noknowledgejustvibes They also did a good job of Voss IMO. Like how he comes across at first as loyal only to reveal how he is a double agent and then when you see him with Rapheal he is beaten and at the end of his chain. I only just now got to show him the hammer and seeing him there again heroic is awesome. Now gotta find my way into the Prism. how have I put in almost 500 hours and still not beaten this game? There is SO MUCH to do
I remember when I really fell in love with BG3 was finding the nightsong- as annoying as the puzzles were for me, the pay off was spectacular- really the entirety of act 2 was a joy my first run. This really scratched an itch in my brain and I’m still playing and finding new things 500+ hrs later
ALSO LAZEL IS THE BEST GIRL AND I- her character arch is my favorite
thank u for your words on Astarion
Can’t be a BG video without Astarion
I missed so many things on my playthrough that the second time felt like a whole new game. I didn't recruit Astarion, Jaheira, and Minsc. I didn't visit Ethel's swamp, I didn't even KNOW the house of hope existed.
Damnnnnn - felt similar on my second playthrough/Dark Urge run. Was a whole new game
I've played through just a whole bunch of times and I've still never recruited Minthara. Hell, I've still never recruited Minsc. I have to keep going back to see what I've missed
Every time I go on UA-cam or Reddit - I see a scene from the game that I’ve never seen before - always gives me the itch to queue up another run!
I have a relationship with minthara on my current playthrough. She's a tank in combat. I wasn't planning on the relationship aspect. Since I messed up my chance to recruit karlach
I honestly thought I was done with games, until BG3. Modern games seem so broad spectrum that they're bland and afraid to explore interesting ideas. I forgot how much I love seeing the consequences of choices you make. I expected safety rails to prevent me from making terrible choices. None of that - you make your choices and see the results. Love it.
Exactly how I’ve felt with gaming these days. It’s great to play a game that brings back what made us all start playing games in the first place - hopefully we see more of it!
12:00 Yeah I'm on my first playthrough and I'm not really interacting with Lae'zel at all. She's too impulsive, she's mean to everyone, and has been far too cruel for my liking. Before I saved and quit my last session I had just gotten to the Creshe full of githyaki and she actually did a decent job sticking up for us and resolving the situation without bloodshed so I'm hoping this is where her character begins to improve.
But everyone else has been great so far. Shadowheart has all but stolen my heart at this point (pun intended 😁), Karlach is the coolest chick ever, Gale has surprised me with how much depth there actually is to him. Even Astarian, someone I originally thought would just be the typical asshole character that for some reason will become a fan favorite has instead become a truly tragic character and I fully intend to help him however I can.
I really need to try a Dark Urge run. I've done two playthroughs so far, one Half Elf Paladin of Vengeance and one Tiefling Storm Lord build. I normally play Lawful good characters in RPGs (I know I'm a goody two shoes) but I know there are some messed up acts you can perform in a Dark Urge playthrough. I'm torn on whether to play full Durge or Resist Durge. Excellent video essay on BG3's narrative strengths and compelling characters!
I usually do the same as a lawful good character - always feels like the intended choice in most games, except probably this one! I completed a full durge run not too long ago, was totally worth it
@@noknowledgejustvibes Thanks for the recommendation! Once I finish my DA Origins playthrough, I'll give a Durge run a try! It sounds really cool!
The worst part of the game is coming to the end of Act 3. The characters were so dynamic and interactive up until the completion of their quest lines that they felt like real people, then suddenly they’re locked into just a few dialogue options and they feel like NPCs. This isn’t to knock the game at all; on the contrary. It’s to just point out that the characters are so well written and acted that it’s so painful when the insurmountable limitations of the game (size and plot) mean that we can hang out with them forever.
Man I can’t wait to play BG3, I already bought it but have been holding out to jump in until the final patch #8 gets added soon. As soon as they announce a release day for that patch I’m taking time off work and playing for a few days straight 😂
Good video, I just wondering if you only play triple A or you actually have come into touch with more rpgs that are more niche, like Pathfinder , rogue trader, shaldwurun, etc.
Ive had Pathfinder and Rogue trader on my list of games to play for a bit now - just about finding enough time to give them a full shot. Anything I think looks cool I try and give a chance - always appreciate recs tho!
1000 hours I haven't left, I only seen probably half the hidden quest and dial logs
Especially with new patches coming so frequently it’s an impossible task to see everything haha
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Appreciate that! This is my first crack at something like this so it’s nice to hear people enjoy it!
To me this game needed a better main story this is the second game I played from that game company I know they do a lot of amazing things in there game but where’s a good story at.
Don't.
Start that crap with elden ring Both games have fantastic storytelling.I get it you don't want to go deep And read between the lines but it's there It's not for you we get it Bg3's story is fantastic One of the best in recent history, but so is Elden Ring Whether you like it or not whether you're willing to take the time it requires to delve deep into its story or not it's still there Waiting for you to discover Literally the most accessible from the studio😅
Oh boy I started… praising the game for being an example of good storytelling and world building that helps benefit the experience of playing the game - I don’t think that’s crap!
I have like 35 hours in BG3 and could not find motivation to finish even act 1. Story is like, you have a parasite, lets go there to find a cure. We go there and guy says I dont have the answer go there, we go there woman says I dont have the cure go there and felt like this loop would never end. Dialogs are well writen but to me main story was very unappeiling.
That’s totally valid my guy - it’s a long ass game and it’s not for everyone. I agree that my first time playing through Act 1, it was a constant wtf is happening type of experience.
Act 2 and 3 are definitely stronger - but they wouldn’t be as strong without the foundation Act 1 creates - and subsequent playthroughs really emphasize how Larian were trying to lay the groundworks for the late game.
You're right, and I feel the same. What I love about it isn't the main story, it's all the little side stories along the way.
Imo it's the variety of good/evil choices you can make that capture people's interests. It's a pretty simple story, but it's the way you roleplay and resolve different characters problems that makes different players games very unique. A singleshot playthrough doesn't really hold up against a very well crafted story, but it's not designed it, it's designed for maximising the impact of player choice on the world and characters.
I agree that the main story is very simple and in Act 1 can get a bit frustrating (not to mention that the game tries to instill a sense of desperate urgency that fizzles out when you realise you're not about to turn into a mindflayer any time soon), but imo the meat of the game is in the companions' stories, not the overall quest. That's certainly what I play it for - the "search for a cure" segment is this game's equivalent of grind, and you just have to push through it to get to the more interesting stuff.
I feel like Act 1 suffered from being in early access a bit too long, with the result that they stretched it out longer than it really needed to be. Then you get a very compact, almost linear Act 2, followed by a sprawling Act 3 that clearly expanded waaay beyond project scope, since they had to cut out the Upper City entirely. I hope Larian have taken onboard the feedback on BG3 and learned how to pace their stories a bit better, but Sven has already admitted that their new game is going to be a lot bigger than originally planned 😂
@@noknowledgejustvibes Good point. I especially liked Astarion's character. I will %100 start again and push myself more. I am aware that the game is a masterpiece. It just didnt click for me first time.
pathfinder was better except the graphics ofc.
Nah bg3 writing is nothing noteworthy, its just held up by couple of Great examples of characterisation, that themselfs have talented voice actors to bring them to live. Bg3s writing ceirtainly has lead to no revival of story in rpgs and its greatest stregth is whitout a doubt gameplay, whit its abilities having complex interactions, world interactions, multilayered maps and smart enogh enemies to take advantage of previous systems and designs, to crown it all up is co op whit friends leading to insane experiences. As for bg3s sucess id say it was because good word of mouth from dos2, that got amplified by long awaited searies revival.
I totally get your perspective and you make a good point about the gameplay - the depth of its mechanics and world interactions definitely deserve recognition. And you're right; Larian's reputation from DOS2 and the anticipation for the BG series revival were big factors in the game's success.
I still would say the writing plays a significant role too, especially in how it immerses players in the world. While it may not be groundbreaking in every aspect, the nuanced character arcs, the weight of player choices, and the way the story integrates with gameplay create a really cohesive experience. It’s less about individual moments of genius and more about how all the parts-characters, voice acting, and writing structure-work together to make you feel like your actions genuinely matter.
@@noknowledgejustvibes My point was more that writing is bigger part narative and to lesser extent charactererisations that bring it to live and Well in future i dont really see people prasing the plot of 2 chosen deciding to put karsuses stolen crown on Elder brain in order to qonqer the world, or heroes that stopped them, which is honestly just another monday in fayrun, but rather the characters who honestly outshine the just regular story, even if it counts for insane amount of permuatations.
@@ns7495 I agree; I've played this game a lot and I find solo playthroughs to be super boring because all the great writing and story/interactions are between characters. The actual main story is...kind of really bad. Most certainly the worst part of the entire game.
@@jeffreythomson3789 Yeah, best part about main story i find, was arguing whit my multiplayer group; wheter gortashes overall goal of qonqering sword coast, was morally good thing, but game itself didnt seriosly entertain the idea, even tho a more militaristic society would be better equipped to survive a world that faces existensial threaths on yearly to monthly bases, whitout having to rely on after catastrophy has struck option of calling in heroes, of varying quality. Altho i think i migh have been partly inspired by my hatred of karlach on that one, tho to a lesser extent than actual argument.
@@ns7495 "writing is bigger part narative and to lesser extent charactererisations" -- I mean, this is just generally not true. Maybe that is your preference, but generally characters are a core part of writing, and very often they central point of writing. Without characterization, you have a series of events: X happened, and then Y happened and then Z. Characterization is what creates the motivation behind the events, why you care about the events (due to how they impact the characters that are written well so that you care), where tragedy comes from, where celebration comes from.
So if you want to simplify BG3's story to the main plot and a series of events, you can do that but you are missing the point. There are significant themes behind the writing of the game, which tie together even things that superficially are separate plots -- an obvious one being the themes around self and bodily autonomy that drives both the main story as well as Astarion's story.