This is not a debate! This is about the lives of Cathy and Cindy. This video’s purpose is to educate people on CATHY and CINDY’s side of the story and their amazing lives. I have received many comments saying they didn’t know JC had twins. They are people too. Update: I was definitely not expecting the amount of views usually my videos receive around 1k. I am not a professional and this was all done by me during my free-time. I am not saying what happened or what didn’t; it is simply the twins story. And, yes, I said “Sidney” not “Cindy”. Sorry but I’m not American!
I enjoyed this very much learning more about Cathy and Cindy. I knew Cathy a little in the late 1980s and we had a nice correspondence . I still have several Christmas cards she sent me during these years. And two autographed pictures that "Uncle" Van Johnson gave them. Cathy was a very nice and thoughtful lady and went out of her way to be kind to me.
@@goldduxt YES, she did seem a lot like Miss Crawford with the way she handled her mail and treated people. If you ever wanted to see them I took pics of them today but not sure how to send them to you.
Just listening to Joan Crawford talk reminds me how distant we’ve become as a people and a culture to real, thoughtful, meaningful and deep expression. It’s amazing listening to her as I came from that time and can remember conversations I had with my own family and friends and we would sound like what Joan Crawford expressed. I miss expression with fore thought and meaning.
At one time in America, you could get a quality education at a public school. Now you can barely get quality education at a college. I had two school books from the 1800s. I believe both were on grammar. It was amazing how grammar was taught in schools back then. I think the level may have been first grade maybe a little older. I as an adult did not understand it much. I should have kept those books and learned the grammar myself because I do not remember learning the things they were teaching in the 1800s being taught when I went to school in the late 60s and early 70s.
True. I'm 34 and have always been a good reader and writer and I think that's helped me to express myself in a more meaningful manner. When I see videos of young people today (teens and early 20's) it's like nails on a chalkboard. The inability to get a sentence out without saying "like" over and over seems to be a difficult task indeed! 😂😂 and to think these people vote! It's the generation that can name every Kardashian/Jenner but couldn't tell you 10 elements from the periodic table. The generation that has the answer to almost everything at their fingertips but will still regurgitate the nonsense they read on twitter or saw in a Tik Tok.
I had no idea Cindy lived in Jackson, MS. But I was a young child back then. So sad how hard she tried but ended up on welfare. Rest in peace to Cindy, Cathy and Joan. 😢😢😢
I think it's so cool that they found their biological family and forged relationships. I hope they were happy and that their children and families are close as well. Joan Crawford was one helluv an actress and I still watch her movies. This is a lovely tribute to all three ladies. I'd never really heard much from the twins so to me, it was revealing and really just very nice. Thank you
This video was so interesting and so well put together. I grew up believing the Mommy Dearest movie was 100% true. This video has definitely given me food for thought.
I saw the movie Mommie Dearest and it depicted a very different Joan Crawford and never mentioned the twins in movie ! So this is definitely a surprise to know she had other children and I’m glad they had a totally different story!
One thing that can be said of Joan and of her kids is that they were all very serious. There is nothing silly, giddy, or frivolous about their demeanors.
When I look at the pictures of the twins with Joan their body language is relaxed and they are always smiling... they lean into her. A picture paints a thousand words.
I had the pleasure of meeting Cathy's son Casey Lalonde at a screening at the Film Forum in New York that he was hosting of Joan's collection of home movies which extended from before the twins were born through later years. He fondly recalled visiting his Grandmother in her Imperial House apartment on the Upper East Side. He is dedicated to presenting an accurate account of Joan.
Actually, Casey is devoted to making money off Joan's name. He does not have Joan's best interests at heart, and was estranged from Cathy for many years over it. He STOLE the home movies from Cathy and has attempted to illegally sell Joan's likeness for his own monetary gain.
This is lovely, thank you so much. Cathy and Cindy only had good things to say about Joan. It’s hard to believe Joan has been gone 46 years. Thank you for all the hard work you put into your channel, honouring the legacy of Joan. She remains so well loved by many.
I'm sure Joan wasn't drinking as much with the twins an things where different then .as the movie shows she was intoxicated often . I'm sure things where much better .
Oh, I’m awash with tears! I love Joan so much, and these dear twins! They both tried so hard to defend their mother. Very well done and a much needed positive to Joan’s legacy of love. Thank you! 👏🏻💖💖💖
It’s amazing that you see remnants of joan’s refined speech and demeanor on her twins 👯♀️ it’s something that our parents pass us, adopted or biological.
I definitely question Christine’s account of her mother. It seems that Joan Crawford wanted to raise her children right, not as entitled Hollywood brats. I’m glad her reputation is being vindicated.
Thank you for giving the spotlight to Joan’s twins. There were so many people who stood up for Joan after Christina’s book/film, but society has chosen to go with the very campy revenge fiction, ruining the reputation of Hollywood’s hardest working star. At least it all happened after Joan’s death. Poor Bette Davis was still alive when her daughter cashed in on the same star-bashing notoriety.
Only God knows what the whole truth is. Bashing a parent unfairly is nauseating. But parents have been known to treat some kids better or worse than their others. So again, only God knows.
At least Christina seems relatively intelligent, but Bette Davis's daughter BD Hymen seems to be koo koo. Telling people her mother Bette Davis was a "witch" and had a pact with the devil and other screwball things that sounded like a shizoid fantasy. BD Hyman even has her own ''ministry" which sounds like she's created her own cult. Since she's not attractive, talented or intelligent like her mother was, I guess she needs something to get attention.
At least Bette got some revenge.....Her daughter got nothing! The public bashed her daughter and cursed her, no one believed a word she wrote and she still gets hate mail today, being branded a a liar and greedy pig woman!
I went to Junior college in Miami with Cathy. The dean actually asked me to look after her…she was quiet and reclusive. When some older locals found out who she was, she was romanced! A man down by our community pool and he perused her relentlessly! She would invite us to his nearby condo with her, and I was freaked out…he was very much older and flashy with his attention for her…nauseating really! We backed off and let her decide! Too gross and pathetic for me! That was Miama!
There’s always two sides to the story and truth in between. It’s nice to hear Joan defended. I love her movies, my favorite is Autumn Leaves w Cliff Robertson
thank you for this!! this has taught me there are two sides to every story---my opinion of Joan Crawford was of her daughter, Christina writing "Mommie Dearest" I am so glad I came across this!! I never knew there were twin siblings either!!
I’ve always found the claims of the eldest daughter to sound ridiculous, but now I’m certain they were all just lies she made up in an attempt to gain fame and fortune that she couldn’t manage on her own.
They might not have agreed to have their lives depicted on screen since they did not agree with what Christina wrote about their lives. That is just a guess.
This was😮heartwarming. I never read the book nor saw the movie, but do know things were different back then. I am now 77, the oldest of 6 children,and used to have to help prepare meals, sweep the floor, look after my siblings, etc. it was normal for many in our era. We were expected to be polite, speak correctly,etc. I’m sure she was tough as my mum was, but she loved her kids. Thanks for this insight. 🇦🇺
Great video. Very complicated indeed. I guess the truth is somewhere in between, but the story of the twins is always conveniently left out of the narrative. Thanks for posting.
At the start, upon exposure to Mommie Dearest, I believed the worst. Later, when hearing about some objections by the twins, I became ambivalent about Christina’s claims. Now, with this video, I choose to believe the fairer & loving memory Joan’s twins expressed. They felt compelled to say something, and I respect that.
There’s a channel here called Christina Crawford Lied who has exposed dozens and dozens of lies. Christina has lied under oath and perjured herself multiple times. There’s dozens of quotes from people who had firsthand knowledge and experience who say Christina lies about anything and lies over nothing, but ESPECIALLY when money or fame is involved.
I always got the impression that Christina was one stubborn kid and no way in hell was Joan Crawford gonna give in to that bullshit so the battle was on.
Wow, this was really good. I had no idea about the other side of the story. Naturally, I knew all about mommy dearest though. Respectfully and well put together & well documented documentary. Thank you! UA-cam, algorithm gods granted me this video on my homepage today, glad they did… new subscriber!
At 6:04 When Ms Crawford invited the media into her home for the holidays I was always curious as to why she did it and what the studios probably demanded other stars and PR stunts like that. But I wonder in the future what the Kardashian children, or their equivalents will have to say about media personalities as parents. Only time will tell...
I always questioned Christina’s story. Thank you for sharing the twins’ side. Many parents were much more strict then than they are now. Children were raised to be self-sufficient and respectful. It wasn’t abuse. I didn’t know the twins existed until years after watching Mommy Dearest
Thank you for sharing. It's not a debate, no. It's wonderful that your popular video encourages discourse though. I don't believe any of the children should feel invalidated in their views.
I think it's sad that whenever Joan Crawfords name is mentioned, it's " Mommy Dearest" That is her legacy after all her hard work. I never believed the story of Christina Crawford.
Maria....my question is: I wonder if Christina has seen this video?? Maybe Christina is having a guilty conscience in retrospect about the publication of Mommie Dearest. If Christina had had the book published before Joan's death, would that not have eradicated the speculation of greed and notoriety on Christina's part?? If abuse was such an urgent issue to surface, what was holding you back, Christina?? It sounds like Christina was the one with issues, not Joan. I hope you see this video, Christina and can take a lesson!!
Jog on. The young man who created this didn't put in all this hard work and time for clueless sheeps like you to pore your negativity and bullcrap all over it.
The way Joan Crawford has been treated after her passing by the public and media is so disrespectful she dedicated 50 years of her life to cinema and making people laugh, she was always very sweet to her fans responding to letters and showing them love everyone who met her said she was sweet we as a society enjoy tearing people down to make ourselves feel better or for morbid enjoyment of seeing someone's downfall it's shame
I have read over the years that many actors have disagreed with Christina and her assessment of Joan. They said she was jealous of Joan and the attention she received. As an adult, she behaved like a diva when she entered into the acting arena. Therefore, her acting career never took off. In the 1960s, Christina wanted to meet Elvis. After she arrived at his home she proceeded to make fun of the Memphis Mafia. She would break his cigars in half every-time Joe Esposito would light them. Finally, after not being able to get his attention she threw a drink on him. Elvis (not that I condone violence) instantly grabbed her by the hair, drug her across the coffee table and threw her out.
So glad to hear the other side from her twins. Joan was a very intelligent woman! It’s sad to here the hate from her other children. Moms are not perfect. They put their heart and soul into their children. You only hope the best for them, and that when they become adults that they love you and respected your decisions you had made for them throughout their lives.
I didn’t know she had twins also. It’s so good to hear another view of life with Joan. I always thought the movie was somewhat exaggerated. Seems to me she tried so hard to be a good loving mom to all her children. Thank you for a great video.
Thank you for this video, every time I would watch a JC movie I would always think about Christina's alleged abuse. It is good to know that she was not that kind of person. Me, of all people should have remembered that not all perceptions or stories are reality.
Honestly, I believe JC was likely a phenomenal mother..! Better to have an intense mother than one who neglects you. Compassion is necessary, but "hard love" lessons are needed at times, too. What constitutes "abusive" is blurry, but I doubt JC was a truly abusive person. She was demanding as a perfectionist, but what a privileged life CC got to live. Who gets to travel so much as a child and have relatively little financial fear.
I'm so happy her twins defended her. I've been a fan of hers from early days as a child... She and Betty Davis were my favorite stars. Was stunned about Cristina story.
Different times. Though I believe the book is hyped up and exaggerated for dramatic effect. I'm sure being a single mother of that time, Joan had to be both rigid disciplinarian, and balance the love and tenderness for their own sake. Key words, "self reliant", because Joan knew firsthand that life is unkind at times and you have to carry on. Joan taught them survival skills and sadly, the eldest set of children took the brunt of the expectations set out for them. Much like a new parent, it's typical for the firstborn to feel a sense of being put to a duty than being babied the majority of the time and would resent the moments of disengagement while observing the more relaxed attitude towards the younger set of children. Not to downplay any physical or psychological abuse that occurred to whatever degree, but to paint your parent a monster without mentioning this side of them, or the experience of the twins, is a disservice to the strengths of that parent that at least provided and cared for you during the years a parent is legally responsible for you, if all else.
This was so well done and so balanced. Thank you so much for your professionalism and for putting out the other side of Christina's sordid tale. I have no respect for the children of Hollywood who expose secrets their parents have tried to keep, or claim they were abused. My list of those I disrespect include Judy Lewis, Joely Fisher, B.D. Davis, and others. It is so good to see respect brought back into the picture. Thank you so much - and bravo!
Judy lewis had every right to expose loretta Young for what she really was,, a self righteous hag who in 1973 funded her son and his friends to make child pornography films, when he was arrested he made a full confession of guilty and could have spent life in prison but Loretta pulled strings, paid $$ and he got a $500 fine!
I listened to an interview with the wicked Christina who said she didn’t recall the twins as they came later. What rubbish. The photos prove they were together a lot. If Christina’s memory is that poor I guess she imagined the rest of her life too. What bad luck Joan picked her.
So her twins deny & spoke out about the movie and the book “Mommy Dearest . I have to say the movie was really believable; but that show biz . Joan was a great Actor and Also never knew about the twins , but Christine there wasn’t in any pics of this clip, just the twins ; she was a come a long child . How old was Joan in her 1966 interview and what was her beauty secrets ! Must tell.
Im sorry but i absolutely do not believe any of Christina's allegations. This was so beautifully done and yes Joan had a trouble childhood, it doesnt always mean abused children grow up to abuse their own children. I truly believe Joan was a very loving mother, strict in her discpline but whos parents arent when you are young and misbehave. Christopher and Christina were handfuls and Christina was known to lying and i truly believe Christina wanted to BE her mother. And I loved her statements from her book when she was saying her children want to be known as people and not as just the star's children. More parents need to see their children as living people and not just little people who are a part of you.
Thank You for this. For those of us who have always known the truth, that Joan was a wonderful mother and woman. Christina and Christopher were truly ungrateful and wanted nepotism that Joan refused. You should do a video on Christopher and his mile long police record…
Wow! I always thought that Joan Crawford was Mommie Dearest, it's a shame that we didn't hear about these things beforehand. Seems to me that she was a wonderful mother, nothing worse than being falsely accused! Especially when all of her siblings back their mother up. Thou shalt not bear false witness
I remember the twins from the FX mini series "Feud - Betty & Joan". They never said anything bad about their mother. Christina wanted attention. And when her acting career went south, she wrote that book.
I agree. Christina came across as spiteful and attention seeking. If I recall the brother didn’t say anything to bad about Joan either. Maybe that’s why Joan sent her off to private school because she became to hard to handle.
Thank u for making this video I remember long ago the twin sisters were very much against the Book and Movie that there Adopted sister Christiana had wrote in the movie Christiana never even acknowledged there existence let alone that they were also adopted daughter's too I believe Christiana Crawford was very jealous of her mother again thank you for thos video 🥰
Christine and Christopher challenged the will and received between them fifty-five thousand dollars. Christopher also got 1500 to not try to get any profit from Christine's book.
Joan Crawford was an amazing woman who reimagined herself numerous times. Of the four children that Joan adopted only Christina is still alive as of 2023. People seem to forget or not be aware that Christina sued the twins for money after the famous will and received $55,000 with her brother. which would be $232k today. She also wrote the famous book Mommie Dearest and bought the rights to it afterwards and has released in in 1997 for its 20th anniversary and the ebook in 2017 as well as a documentary in 2013. She starred as an actress on screen but was never very successful. My point in all this? Christina was rabidly jealous of Joan. Joan's stature in Hollywood, her career, and her beauty. She has lived off a dead woman for 45 years while there are many many people who have said Joan was strict but lovely. No one is perfect but the facts stand. I wish CC would have gotten counseling long ago but as she's 84 years old, that ship has sailed.
I can only imagine what an interesting life they must have had - both, being a twin, then children of Hollywood royalty. It seems they had a secure, wholesome, childhood - I like that Dad adopted them, too. One impression I got from their story, is that they grew up independant of each other in their grown years... but then I don't know (I'm just assuming twins would be neighbors for life). I think they must've had a great life, I hope so. Thank you for this video, it's nice to see some intimacy instead of headlines. My best.
I had no idea that Joan Crawford’s twins adored her and fiercely defended her. That had to have made her proud, even if she had passed. Too bad Christina wrote such a terrible book. It was a horrible account of a hardworking Mother.
I don't pretend to know anything about JC or her children, but, I know teenage girls and they can be malicious and conniving. If I had to guess what happened with Joan and Christina, I would imagine that as a mother, Joan wanted to protect her daughters from Hollywood predators. Maybe she wasn't a showbiz mom like Judy Garlands fame-lusting mother, who practically threw her innocent daughter to the wolves to feed on. Maybe Joan didn't want to see her daughters groped, raped impregnated and forced to get an abortion before their 21st birthday. Back in those days, women didn't speak out against their abusers for fear of their careers, reputations and lives being destroyed. Some were even silenced completely...I believe Joan was trying to protect Christina, but her daughter wanted fame so badly that she went so far as to maligne the only mother she knew.
It sounds to me like Joan wanted her children to be independent not Hollywood brats not expecting this sort of a lifestyle that Joan had provided being a Movistar, but realistically the sort of lifestyle of it regular people have.
Wait a minute! Joan demanded her children have naps, do chores, treat people with respect, AND grow up to be self-sufficient?! Oh, what a Mommie Dearest! My mother took me to meet Joan Crawford when I was about 9-months old. She said Joan shook everyone's hands and was so cordial and relaxed. She chucked me under the chin and I laughed. Joan complimented my mom. My mom said nobody described the way Joan had been in that horrid book, couldve maintained their composure and greeted the crowd like old friends. My mother despised Christina.
This is not a debate! This is about the lives of Cathy and Cindy.
This video’s purpose is to educate people on CATHY and CINDY’s side of the story and their amazing lives. I have received many comments saying they didn’t know JC had twins. They are people too.
Update: I was definitely not expecting the amount of views usually my videos receive around 1k. I am not a professional and this was all done by me during my free-time. I am not saying what happened or what didn’t; it is simply the twins story.
And, yes, I said “Sidney” not “Cindy”. Sorry but I’m not American!
I was not aware she had adopted other children. Only knew Christina and Christopher.
I don’t think they meant that they viewed twins as non people- I didn’t know she had a 3rd and 4th child either
Respect to your efforts as a documentarian, whatever my personal opinion about Joan Crawford.
Thank you for this video.
I had NO idea you aren't american, your accent was smooth and non-distracting. Your narration was excellent!
I enjoyed this very much learning more about Cathy and Cindy. I knew Cathy a little in the late 1980s and we had a nice correspondence . I still have several Christmas cards she sent me during these years. And two autographed pictures that "Uncle" Van Johnson gave them. Cathy was a very nice and thoughtful lady and went out of her way to be kind to me.
Thanks for sharing! That is so cool. She sounds just like Joan - very thoughtful and kind. I love learning about them.
@@goldduxt YES, she did seem a lot like Miss Crawford with the way she handled her mail and treated people. If you ever wanted to see them I took pics of them today but not sure how to send them to you.
my instagram is @jcjoancrawford if you want to send them there. 😊
@@goldduxt I'm sorry but I am not a member of instagram
How did you meet Cathy and Cindy Crawford?
Just listening to Joan Crawford talk reminds me how distant we’ve become as a people and a culture to real, thoughtful, meaningful and deep expression. It’s amazing listening to her as I came from that time and can remember conversations I had with my own family and friends and we would sound like what Joan Crawford expressed. I miss expression with fore thought and meaning.
At one time in America, you could get a quality education at a public school. Now you can barely get quality education at a college.
I had two school books from the 1800s. I believe both were on grammar. It was amazing how grammar was taught in schools back then. I think the level may have been first grade maybe a little older. I as an adult did not understand it much. I should have kept those books and learned the grammar myself because I do not remember learning the things they were teaching in the 1800s being taught when I went to school in the late 60s and early 70s.
@@mildredpierce4506 Language is living and fluid. I would think that this includes grammar, grammatical structure, etc. Always evolving.
True. I'm 34 and have always been a good reader and writer and I think that's helped me to express myself in a more meaningful manner. When I see videos of young people today (teens and early 20's) it's like nails on a chalkboard. The inability to get a sentence out without saying "like" over and over seems to be a difficult task indeed! 😂😂 and to think these people vote! It's the generation that can name every Kardashian/Jenner but couldn't tell you 10 elements from the periodic table. The generation that has the answer to almost everything at their fingertips but will still regurgitate the nonsense they read on twitter or saw in a Tik Tok.
You're right.
❤agree
My gosh, apparently my mom and grandmother were horrid! I had to clean my room, do dishes, laundry, yard work, take care of pets ... I need therapy!
Yes me too! Lol
Mine too 😂
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Mine too…and a whole lot more! Wow!
IKR ..
Beautifully and respectfully done! Thank you! RIP Miss Crawford, Cindy and Cathy.
Thank you very much!💕
I had no idea Cindy lived in Jackson, MS. But I was a young child back then. So sad how hard she tried but ended up on welfare. Rest in peace to Cindy, Cathy and Joan. 😢😢😢
I think it's so cool that they found their biological family and forged relationships.
I hope they were happy and that their children and families are close as well.
Joan Crawford was one helluv an actress and I still watch her movies.
This is a lovely tribute to all three ladies.
I'd never really heard much from the twins so to me, it was revealing and really just very nice.
Thank you
Appears to me Joan was a good mom.Not the mom Christina described in her book...
This video was so interesting and so well put together. I grew up believing the Mommy Dearest movie was 100% true. This video has definitely given me food for thought.
I saw the movie Mommie Dearest and it depicted a very different Joan Crawford and never mentioned the twins in movie ! So this is definitely a surprise to know she had other children and I’m glad they had a totally different story!
One thing that can be said of Joan and of her kids is that they were all very serious. There is nothing silly, giddy, or frivolous about their demeanors.
When I look at the pictures of the twins with Joan their body language is relaxed and they are always smiling... they lean into her. A picture paints a thousand words.
I had the pleasure of meeting Cathy's son Casey Lalonde at a screening at the Film Forum in New York that he was hosting of Joan's collection of home movies which extended from before the twins were born through later years. He fondly recalled visiting his Grandmother in her Imperial House apartment on the Upper East Side. He is dedicated to presenting an accurate account of Joan.
Actually, Casey is devoted to making money off Joan's name. He does not have Joan's best interests at heart, and was estranged from Cathy for many years over it. He STOLE the home movies from Cathy and has attempted to illegally sell Joan's likeness for his own monetary gain.
This is lovely, thank you so much. Cathy and Cindy only had good things to say about Joan. It’s hard to believe Joan has been gone 46 years. Thank you for all the hard work you put into your channel, honouring the legacy of Joan. She remains so well loved by many.
I'm sure Joan wasn't drinking as much with the twins an things where different then .as the movie shows she was intoxicated often . I'm sure things where much better .
As the movie shows.... the movie is BS. Wake up! And she didn't start drinking until after Alfred Steele's death.
Oh, I’m awash with tears! I love Joan so much, and these dear twins! They both tried so hard to defend their mother. Very well done and a much needed positive to Joan’s legacy of love. Thank you! 👏🏻💖💖💖
It’s amazing that you see remnants of joan’s refined speech and demeanor on her twins 👯♀️ it’s something that our parents pass us, adopted or biological.
I definitely question Christine’s account of her mother. It seems that Joan Crawford wanted to raise her children right, not as entitled Hollywood brats. I’m glad her reputation is being vindicated.
Thank you for giving the spotlight to Joan’s twins. There were so many people who stood up for Joan after Christina’s book/film, but society has chosen to go with the very campy revenge fiction, ruining the reputation of Hollywood’s hardest working star. At least it all happened after Joan’s death. Poor Bette Davis was still alive when her daughter cashed in on the same star-bashing notoriety.
Only God knows what the whole truth is. Bashing a parent unfairly is nauseating. But parents have been known to treat some kids better or worse than their others. So again, only God knows.
At least Christina seems relatively intelligent, but Bette Davis's daughter BD Hymen seems to be koo koo. Telling people her mother Bette Davis was a "witch" and had a pact with the devil and other screwball things that sounded like a shizoid fantasy. BD Hyman even has her own ''ministry" which sounds like she's created her own cult. Since she's not attractive, talented or intelligent like her mother was, I guess she needs something to get attention.
At least Bette got some revenge.....Her daughter got nothing! The public bashed
her daughter and cursed her, no one believed a word she wrote and she still gets
hate mail today, being branded a a liar and greedy pig woman!
An Incredible video.
Didn't know about her twin daughters. Thanks for an Awesome, respectful video.
I went to Junior college in Miami with Cathy. The dean actually asked me to look after her…she was quiet and reclusive. When some older locals found out who she was, she was romanced! A man down by our community pool and he perused her relentlessly! She would invite us to his nearby condo with her, and I was freaked out…he was very much older and flashy with his attention for her…nauseating really! We backed off and let her decide! Too gross and pathetic for me! That was Miama!
This is a wonderful documentary laying the whole saga out; great work.
There’s always two sides to the story and truth in between. It’s nice to hear Joan defended. I love her movies, my favorite is Autumn Leaves w Cliff Robertson
My favorite films are Mildred Pierce and What Ever Happened to Baby Jane?
thank you for this!! this has taught me there are two sides to every story---my opinion of Joan Crawford was of her daughter, Christina writing "Mommie Dearest" I am so glad I came across this!! I never knew there were twin siblings either!!
She was a human being who did her best and wanted what we all want “to be loved”❤
I’ve always found the claims of the eldest daughter to sound ridiculous, but now I’m certain they were all just lies she made up in an attempt to gain fame and fortune that she couldn’t manage on her own.
Joan Crawford has such a refined way of talking. She reminds me of my grandmother. It seems to be a lost art.
I never knew Ms. Crawford had twins. I wonder why they weren’t mentioned in the movie?
They might not have agreed to have their lives depicted on screen since they did not agree with what Christina wrote about their lives. That is just a guess.
Because the movie is based off that stupid book Christina wrote and she didn’t mention them
because having three children who had no conflicts with Joan like Christina did would make Christina look bad.
that was interesting. They really loved their mother. and to know Joan smiled when she was simply known as grandma. very heartwarming.
This was😮heartwarming. I never read the book nor saw the movie, but do know things were different back then. I am now 77, the oldest of 6 children,and used to have to help prepare meals, sweep the floor, look after my siblings, etc. it was normal for many in our era. We were expected to be polite, speak correctly,etc. I’m sure she was tough as my mum was, but she loved her kids. Thanks for this insight. 🇦🇺
Great video. Very complicated indeed. I guess the truth is somewhere in between, but the story of the twins is always conveniently left out of the narrative. Thanks for posting.
Had no idea she had other kids! It’s not mentioned in the movie and I don’t recall it in Christina’s book, that I read many many years ago!
This was lovely to watch, its nice to hear her other children speak well of their mother, and to hear Joan speak about her children. ❤
At the start, upon exposure to Mommie Dearest, I believed the worst. Later, when hearing about some objections by the twins, I became ambivalent about Christina’s claims. Now, with this video, I choose to believe the fairer & loving memory Joan’s twins expressed. They felt compelled to say something, and I respect that.
There’s a channel here called Christina Crawford Lied who has exposed dozens and dozens of lies. Christina has lied under oath and perjured herself multiple times. There’s dozens of quotes from people who had firsthand knowledge and experience who say Christina lies about anything and lies over nothing, but ESPECIALLY when money or fame is involved.
I always got the impression that Christina was one stubborn kid and no way in hell was Joan Crawford gonna give in to that bullshit so the battle was on.
Wow, this was really good. I had no idea about the other side of the story. Naturally, I knew all about mommy dearest though. Respectfully and well put together & well documented documentary. Thank you! UA-cam, algorithm gods granted me this video on my homepage today, glad they did… new subscriber!
At 6:04 When Ms Crawford invited the media into her home for the holidays I was always curious as to why she did it and what the studios probably demanded other stars and PR stunts like that. But I wonder in the future what the Kardashian children, or their equivalents will have to say about media personalities as parents. Only time will tell...
I always questioned Christina’s story. Thank you for sharing the twins’ side.
Many parents were much more strict then than they are now. Children were raised to be self-sufficient and respectful. It wasn’t abuse. I didn’t know the twins existed until years after watching Mommy Dearest
Thank you for sharing. It's not a debate, no. It's wonderful that your popular video encourages discourse though. I don't believe any of the children should feel invalidated in their views.
This was a beautifully made video. Amazing.
Glad you enjoyed it! 💕
I think it's sad that whenever Joan Crawfords name is mentioned, it's " Mommy Dearest" That is her legacy after all her hard work. I never believed the story of Christina Crawford.
Maria....my question is: I wonder if Christina has seen this video?? Maybe Christina is having a guilty conscience in retrospect about the publication of Mommie Dearest. If Christina had had the book published before Joan's death, would that not have eradicated the speculation of greed and notoriety on Christina's part?? If abuse was such an urgent issue to surface, what was holding you back, Christina?? It sounds like Christina was the one with issues, not Joan. I hope you see this video, Christina and can take a lesson!!
Jog on. The young man who created this didn't put in all this hard work and time for clueless sheeps like you to pore your negativity and bullcrap all over it.
The way Joan Crawford has been treated after her passing by the public and media is so disrespectful she dedicated 50 years of her life to cinema and making people laugh, she was always very sweet to her fans responding to letters and showing them love everyone who met her said she was sweet we as a society enjoy tearing people down to make ourselves feel better or for morbid enjoyment of seeing someone's downfall it's shame
I’m so glad the life of Joan Crawford is being re-evaluated. Christina, you will not have the last word.
Rip, Joan ❤❤
I have read over the years that many actors have disagreed with Christina and her assessment of Joan. They said she was jealous of Joan and the attention she received. As an adult, she behaved like a diva when she entered into the acting arena. Therefore, her acting career never took off. In the 1960s, Christina wanted to meet Elvis. After she arrived at his home she proceeded to make fun of the Memphis Mafia. She would break his cigars in half every-time Joe Esposito would light them. Finally, after not being able to get his attention she threw a drink on him. Elvis (not that I condone violence) instantly grabbed her by the hair, drug her across the coffee table and threw her out.
Hearing Joan speak is so wonderfully inspirational and refreshing. I miss good dialogue between people.
Nice video. Good to see someone trying to balance the view of Joan Crawford as a mother
I mean think, if Christine lied about the twins not being twins, *_what else did Christine lie about?_*
EXACTLY!
Everything.
There were a lot of stories in the book that could be easily refuted. I'm glad the twins spoke out about their mother.
What a wonderful video. It's really a fresh view of the Joan Crawford few people knew. Thank you for this timeless work! 🕰
Ty for sharing this lovely video rip miss Crawford🇨🇦🇨🇦❤️
Thank you for this, it was fascinating and relaxing at the same time ❤️
So glad to hear the other side from her twins. Joan was a very intelligent woman! It’s sad to here the hate from her other children. Moms are not perfect. They put their heart and soul into their children. You only hope the best for them, and that when they become adults that they love you and respected your decisions you had made for them throughout their lives.
I didn’t know she had twins also. It’s so good to hear another view of life with Joan. I always thought the movie was somewhat exaggerated. Seems to me she tried so hard to be a good loving mom to all her children. Thank you for a great video.
Wonderfully researched. Thank you so much for this!
Thank you for this video, every time I would watch a JC movie I would always think about Christina's alleged abuse. It is good to know that she was not that kind of person. Me, of all people should have remembered that not all perceptions or stories are reality.
Now I have to question the movie Mommy Dearest. I’ve watched it a few times and never knew about the twins! I feel cheated.
The movie is also nothing like Christina’s book and she has even denounced the film. For example, the “wire hangers” incident never occurred. 🙂
Thank you for sharing this! Really gives another perspective i just didnt know much about prior.
This was beautifully done. Thank you.
Excellent job on this mini documentary! There's definitely a place for you on UA-cam making videos like this about the stars from the golden era.
Honestly, I believe JC was likely a phenomenal mother..! Better to have an intense mother than one who neglects you. Compassion is necessary, but "hard love" lessons are needed at times, too. What constitutes "abusive" is blurry, but I doubt JC was a truly abusive person. She was demanding as a perfectionist, but what a privileged life CC got to live. Who gets to travel so much as a child and have relatively little financial fear.
Very nicely done. Informative, heartwarming. RIP Ms. Crawford, and the twins. ❤️
I'm so happy her twins defended her. I've been a fan of hers from early days as a child... She and Betty Davis were my favorite stars. Was stunned about Cristina story.
Bette Davis. :)
Different times. Though I believe the book is hyped up and exaggerated for dramatic effect. I'm sure being a single mother of that time, Joan had to be both rigid disciplinarian, and balance the love and tenderness for their own sake. Key words, "self reliant", because Joan knew firsthand that life is unkind at times and you have to carry on. Joan taught them survival skills and sadly, the eldest set of children took the brunt of the expectations set out for them. Much like a new parent, it's typical for the firstborn to feel a sense of being put to a duty than being babied the majority of the time and would resent the moments of disengagement while observing the more relaxed attitude towards the younger set of children. Not to downplay any physical or psychological abuse that occurred to whatever degree, but to paint your parent a monster without mentioning this side of them, or the experience of the twins, is a disservice to the strengths of that parent that at least provided and cared for you during the years a parent is legally responsible for you, if all else.
Interesting, informative and very well done. Thank you for sharing. ❤
This was so well done and so balanced. Thank you so much for your professionalism and for putting out the other side of Christina's sordid tale. I have no respect for the children of Hollywood who expose secrets their parents have tried to keep, or claim they were abused. My list of those I disrespect include Judy Lewis, Joely Fisher, B.D. Davis, and others. It is so good to see respect brought back into the picture. Thank you so much - and bravo!
I feel the same. I remember that President and Nancy Reagan's daughter did the same thing. (They use their famous relatives to make money.) 💔💔💔
Kristina Hagman write a nasty book about her father, Larry Hagman, who played JR Ewing on Dallas.
Judy lewis had every right to expose loretta Young for what she really was,, a self righteous hag who in 1973 funded her son and his friends to make child pornography films, when he was arrested he made a full confession of guilty and could have spent life in prison but Loretta pulled strings, paid $$ and he got a $500 fine!
I listened to an interview with the wicked Christina who said she didn’t recall the twins as they came later. What rubbish. The photos prove they were together a lot. If Christina’s memory is that poor I guess she imagined the rest of her life too. What bad luck Joan picked her.
Bit like Meghan claiming not to have any family growing up, all lies. How can you not recall your own adopted sisters.
We still love and miss you Joan Crawford, thank you for making better women
Listening to Joan speak is chilling.
And you're boring. Get lost.
Thank you so much. Love this mimi documentary ❤❤❤
Everyone has their own truth ❤
Thank you... such a lovely remembrance 🥰👍🤗
So her twins deny & spoke out about the movie and the book “Mommy Dearest . I have to say the movie was really believable; but that show biz . Joan was a great Actor and Also never knew about the twins , but Christine there wasn’t in any pics of this clip, just the twins ; she was a come a long child . How old was Joan in her 1966 interview and what was her beauty secrets ! Must tell.
Im sorry but i absolutely do not believe any of Christina's allegations. This was so beautifully done and yes Joan had a trouble childhood, it doesnt always mean abused children grow up to abuse their own children. I truly believe Joan was a very loving mother, strict in her discpline but whos parents arent when you are young and misbehave. Christopher and Christina were handfuls and Christina was known to lying and i truly believe Christina wanted to BE her mother. And I loved her statements from her book when she was saying her children want to be known as people and not as just the star's children. More parents need to see their children as living people and not just little people who are a part of you.
Thank You for this. For those of us who have always known the truth, that Joan was a wonderful mother and woman. Christina and Christopher were truly ungrateful and wanted nepotism that Joan refused. You should do a video on Christopher and his mile long police record…
Beautifully done! Many thanks🙏.
Teaching children to take care Olof themselves is not abuse
Wow! I always thought that Joan Crawford was Mommie Dearest, it's a shame that we didn't hear about these things beforehand. Seems to me that she was a wonderful mother, nothing worse than being falsely accused! Especially when all of her siblings back their mother up. Thou shalt not bear false witness
Thank you. This shows another side to mommy dearest.
Thanks for sharing.
I remember the twins from the FX mini series "Feud - Betty & Joan". They never said anything bad about their mother.
Christina wanted attention. And when her acting career went south, she wrote that book.
I agree. Christina came across as spiteful and attention seeking. If I recall the brother didn’t say anything to bad about Joan either. Maybe that’s why Joan sent her off to private school because she became to hard to handle.
Thank u for making this video I remember long ago the twin sisters were very much against the Book and Movie that there Adopted sister Christiana had wrote in the movie Christiana never even acknowledged there existence let alone that they were also adopted daughter's too I believe Christiana Crawford was very jealous of her mother again thank you for thos video 🥰
This was wonderful
This is so beautiful to hear your mother speak of you so lovingly and have these videos to watch.
Thank you for this lovely tribute in defence of Joan Crawford; my favourite of all actresses.
THIS MADE MY DAY! THANK YOU!
I personally never believed Christina’s story. Just something always niggled at me.
Christine and Christopher challenged the will and received between them fifty-five thousand dollars. Christopher also got 1500 to not try to get any profit from Christine's book.
Joan Crawford was an amazing woman who reimagined herself numerous times. Of the four children that Joan adopted only Christina is still alive as of 2023. People seem to forget or not be aware that Christina sued the twins for money after the famous will and received $55,000 with her brother. which would be $232k today. She also wrote the famous book Mommie Dearest and bought the rights to it afterwards and has released in in 1997 for its 20th anniversary and the ebook in 2017 as well as a documentary in 2013. She starred as an actress on screen but was never very successful. My point in all this? Christina was rabidly jealous of Joan. Joan's stature in Hollywood, her career, and her beauty. She has lived off a dead woman for 45 years while there are many many people who have said Joan was strict but lovely. No one is perfect but the facts stand. I wish CC would have gotten counseling long ago but as she's 84 years old, that ship has sailed.
This was very good video well done
I can only imagine what an interesting life they must have had - both, being a twin, then children of Hollywood royalty. It seems they had a secure, wholesome, childhood - I like that Dad adopted them, too. One impression I got from their story, is that they grew up independant of each other in their grown years... but then I don't know (I'm just assuming twins would be neighbors for life). I think they must've had a great life, I hope so. Thank you for this video, it's nice to see some intimacy instead of headlines. My best.
Joan doesn't sound like a witch here, she sounds like a strict and loving parent.
I had no idea that Joan Crawford’s twins adored her and fiercely defended her. That had to have made her proud, even if she had passed. Too bad Christina wrote such a terrible book. It was a horrible account of a hardworking Mother.
Very fascinating! Thank you for posting!
She should be lucky that her mother cared!
Thank you so much for this its made my day 😊
The 1st thing I thought of was am I a mommy dearest ? But my 26 year old is doing wonderfully. So.........
I don't pretend to know anything about JC or her children, but, I know teenage girls and they can be malicious and conniving. If I had to guess what happened with Joan and Christina, I would imagine that as a mother, Joan wanted to protect her daughters from Hollywood predators. Maybe she wasn't a showbiz mom like Judy Garlands fame-lusting mother, who practically threw her innocent daughter to the wolves to feed on. Maybe Joan didn't want to see her daughters groped, raped impregnated and forced to get an abortion before their 21st birthday. Back in those days, women didn't speak out against their abusers for fear of their careers, reputations and lives being destroyed. Some were even silenced completely...I believe Joan was trying to protect Christina, but her daughter wanted fame so badly that she went so far as to maligne the only mother she knew.
Nicely done. Thank-you so much,it w as an interesting "opposite"story
I've always loved Miss Crawford! Big fan here! ❤
This was very well done.
It sounds to me like Joan wanted her children to be independent not Hollywood brats not expecting this sort of a lifestyle that Joan had provided being a Movistar, but realistically the sort of lifestyle of it regular people have.
Beautiful story ❤!
IT'S ABOUT TIME TIME, IS GIVEN TO THOSE WHO SPEAK UP FOR MISS CRAWFORD A WONDERFUL LADY
Wait a minute! Joan demanded her children have naps, do chores, treat people with respect, AND grow up to be self-sufficient?! Oh, what a Mommie Dearest!
My mother took me to meet Joan Crawford when I was about 9-months old. She said Joan shook everyone's hands and was so cordial and relaxed. She chucked me under the chin and I laughed. Joan complimented my mom. My mom said nobody described the way Joan had been in that horrid book, couldve maintained their composure and greeted the crowd like old friends. My mother despised Christina.